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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live

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Speaker 1: presented by Coors Light right here on giants dot Com.

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Speaker 1: John Schmulk Lance medal with you and the phone numbers two, O, one,

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Speaker 1: four or five on three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at least one or two of your tweets as the

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Speaker 1: show moves along here on this Monday, February afternoon. Mr Meadow,

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Speaker 1: we had a weekend after the Super Bowl with no football,

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Speaker 1: and now we have the a F starting and I

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Speaker 1: gotta admit I did not watch any of the games.

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Speaker 1: I do have one on the d v R. I

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Speaker 1: plan on watching it, um but talking to people that

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that. We'll talk about a lot of

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Speaker 1: other things. By the way, So I brought to you

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Speaker 1: kind of the most newsworthy thing, so let's start there.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that they're really presenting themselves as

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Speaker 1: a developmental league for the NFL. Where they know they're

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Speaker 1: lane and they're trying to exploit that too, maybe eventually

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Speaker 1: work with the NFL in some way shapes or form

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Speaker 1: uh to help the league along in various ways. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think the reason they're doing that successfully, John, is

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that were formally involved in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League that were put in correct this entity.

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Speaker 1: So I think when you take all of that into consideration,

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Speaker 1: it's understandable that they're saying, hey, we're not trying to

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Speaker 1: bring all stars to the forefront here. We're not trying

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Speaker 1: to be a league that is going to counter what

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Speaker 1: the NFL is doing. We're simply gonna give young players

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to develop. And if you look at how

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Speaker 1: the contracts are structured, because everybody pretty much has got

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Speaker 1: in a three year deal, they're giving them the freedom

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Speaker 1: if an NFL team comes calling during the off season,

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Speaker 1: they're free to leave. They want players to go on

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Speaker 1: to bigger and better things. So, I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: there's no formal relationship right now between the NFL and

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Speaker 1: the a F, but you're right, they are presenting themselves

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Speaker 1: as almost a minor league system for the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: and I think the positive is fans who want to

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Speaker 1: see football year round at least get something on their televisions,

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Speaker 1: but don't come to the viewing audience and expect that

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're gonna be seeing the equivalence

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Speaker 1: of NFL execution. Because the talent pool, there's a reason

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Speaker 1: why these guys are not in the NFL. They want

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Speaker 1: to take the next step in order to do that.

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Speaker 1: They're thinking this gives them a little bit more exposure.

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Speaker 1: It feels to me, LANs, this is a good replacement

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Speaker 1: for what NFL Europe used to be. Exactly. It isn't

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Speaker 1: run by the league like NFL Europe was, but it's

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Speaker 1: something where it'll supplement you get the young guys that

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Speaker 1: maybe didn't make rosters, didn't play last year, and frankly,

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Speaker 1: some positions need a lot more development than others. With

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Speaker 1: the lack of contact now. Offensive lineman especially need as

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Speaker 1: many reps as possible. So these are the types of

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Speaker 1: things that leads can work together to really give younger

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Speaker 1: You know, be another Kurt Warner somebody like that. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you don't go to the Hall of Fame, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: you can turn somebody that kind of was rejected by

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Speaker 1: If you don't want to go off to a place

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Speaker 1: The games take place off season for the NFL, and

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Speaker 1: it's structured like a league where you're practicing during the week.

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Speaker 1: It's not as if you're just coming in on Saturdays

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Speaker 1: So I think the structure boats well for a lot

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Speaker 1: And that just goes to show you why it's very

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Speaker 1: difficult john for these teams in the NFL to find

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Speaker 1: eventually you know, you can try things and I think

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Speaker 1: because they're always unintended consequences to rule changes in this

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Speaker 1: the biggest takeaway for the NFL right now. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: pace of the game, John, how it impacts scoring. You know,

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Speaker 1: There is some speculation, at least there has been, as

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Speaker 1: next year. As you know, the NFL opens on Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk had reported previously that it could be

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Speaker 1: you brought up the Monday night doubleheader. Giants did once

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Speaker 1: They didn't want it to conflict with Thursday night, so

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Speaker 1: about that, I would have voted for that. Well, it

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Speaker 1: I said, listen, the NFL is at least warming up

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Speaker 1: a Nick Foles? Is that another possibility Flores did see

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Speaker 1: him first hand the previous year in the Super Bowl,

431
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Speaker 1: is that somebody who's young enough at twenty nine years old,

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Speaker 1: that they figure that they could build around for the

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Speaker 1: next four or five years. That I think is something

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Speaker 1: realistic that they can look at. But I also would

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Speaker 1: not dismiss and rule out Ryan Tannehill. I still think

436
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Speaker 1: he's young. I think the problem with him is he

437
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Speaker 1: just hasn't been able to stay healthy over the last

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Speaker 1: few years. And the other thing I'll add not a

439
00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 1: legitimate excuse, but he also has been playing the game

440
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 1: of musical chairs with offensive coordinators over the last few seasons.

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Speaker 1: They haven't had a great deal of stability. Even when

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Speaker 1: Adam Gaatee was there, he made some changes himself. Yeah,

443
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Speaker 1: but it is Gays' system. It's not like the system.

444
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Speaker 1: You're right, it is Gaye's system. But I'm talking about

445
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Speaker 1: even before that. You mix in a different voice, you

446
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Speaker 1: change quarter backs, coaches, Listen, guys are focusing on different techniques,

447
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 1: He at least need to take that into consideration. Alex Smith,

448
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Speaker 1: who I still think. I mean, unfortunately, the injury that

449
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Speaker 1: he's dealing with, I don't know if we're gonna see

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Speaker 1: him back on the field. But I always thought Alex

451
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Speaker 1: Smith had upside and to meet. What held him back

452
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Speaker 1: was regardless of the coach that was there. It was

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Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator, a new voice. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: coincidentally until Hardball came in and had Greg Roman that

455
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Speaker 1: Alex Smith started to flourish. So I think there's evidence

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Speaker 1: across the NFL veteran quarterbacks, young quarterbacks. You give him

457
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Speaker 1: stability and then all of a sudden things click like that,

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Speaker 1: and Alex Smith probably is the poster child for that.

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Speaker 1: To a one. Five on three had a free agent

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Speaker 1: list here, but I think we've done enough for now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll get to that list as we move forward

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Speaker 1: in the show. Remember, folks, if you want to vote,

463
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Speaker 1: when do you want the Giants to play on Opening

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Speaker 1: week next year? Thursday night, Sunday afternoon, Sunday night or

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Speaker 1: Monday night. Go to the Giants Twitter feed at Giants

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Speaker 1: to cast your vote right now Sunday afternoon leaves with

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Speaker 1: with almost four hundred votes cast percent, Sunday Night twelve percent,

468
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Speaker 1: Thursday Night eight percent, on that Monday Night double head over.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to the phones for now and start. We're

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Speaker 1: Dylan in Canton, New York. Who will lead us off?

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Speaker 1: Hey Dylan, here you good afternoon guys. How's it going.

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Speaker 1: We're doing well? What's up right? Um? I was gonna

473
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the aner my vote real

474
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Speaker 1: quick on the on Twitter. I voted for Sunday Night,

475
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Speaker 1: which I didn't catch we guys voted for, so I

476
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Speaker 1: wasn't sure. Well, Lance and I are both selfish individuals

477
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: and we don't like working till two am, so we

478
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Speaker 1: voted for Sunday Afternoon because we're old men, gos. I

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Speaker 1: voted Sunday Night just kind of like the NBC crew,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I just kind of like that.

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Speaker 1: But I'm hoping that whoever we play it, we'll get

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Speaker 1: a win week one. We haven't had this since I

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Speaker 1: think two thousand six. Well, Dylan, I want to give

484
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Speaker 1: you some advice. If you want your best chance to win,

485
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Speaker 1: vote for Sunday Afternoon, because if you're playing Sunday Night,

486
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be against a very good team. So if

487
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Speaker 1: you want a soft landing to start your year, you

488
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Speaker 1: should prefer Sunday afternoon or Monday night, where you might

489
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: not also get the best opponent. So if if, if

490
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Speaker 1: winning is your top priority, you should hope the Giants

491
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Speaker 1: play on Sunday afternoon if you want the worst level opponent.

492
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of gimmes on the

493
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Speaker 1: schedule for then I get your point there, there are

494
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Speaker 1: never any gimmes on any schedule. You know what that

495
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: goes right, Um, But with the AF I think it

496
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: had a pretty good opening weekend. I got to catch

497
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Speaker 1: a little bit of the first game Saturday and then

498
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Speaker 1: a little bit last night. And uh, I mean I

499
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Speaker 1: kind of like it. You know, it's not as fast paced,

500
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Speaker 1: but it still is kind of a faster pace. And

501
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Speaker 1: um like with the way the speed of the game

502
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 1: is with the players and stuff. But I kind of

503
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: like some of the stuff, like the way they do

504
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: the mics, Like you can hear some a lot more

505
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Speaker 1: of the players. They have the coaches miked up too.

506
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Speaker 1: That's a good point. The coaches up, Yeah, we hear

507
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Speaker 1: then go through the headset and what they tell the

508
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Speaker 1: players like now, you'll never see the NFL adopt that.

509
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Speaker 1: That's wishful thinking, but it is nice to see it.

510
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Speaker 1: A second. You don't think Bill Belichick would want everyone

511
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Speaker 1: listening to what he's saying or any coach that it's

512
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Speaker 1: one thing to put a montage together after the game.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the game, you know, everyone jokes on

514
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Speaker 1: radio about the eight second delay. If you gotta mike

515
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Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL, you better have like an eight

516
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 1: minute delay because you're gonna be bleeping things left and

517
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Speaker 1: right for every coach in the league. That's never going

518
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Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah, exactly, wish that right. And uh, there

519
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: was one um, I don't remember which game it was,

520
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Speaker 1: but they had the camera angle on like the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage type thing um when they were on the

522
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Speaker 1: goal line. I don't remember which game it was, but

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Speaker 1: they had a kind of a unique camera angle on that,

524
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Speaker 1: and they quarterback ended up throwing into the flat for

525
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,239
Speaker 1: a touchdown and it kind of like they almost did

526
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Speaker 1: like a one eight with the camera following the ball

527
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Speaker 1: and it was pretty cool um to see that. I

528
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Speaker 1: look forward to checking it out. And then the one

529
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Speaker 1: thing that I found interesting is that. And I don't

530
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Speaker 1: know if this is like factual or not, but I

531
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Speaker 1: feel like with a lot of the players that are

532
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Speaker 1: in the a F, I feel there's at least one

533
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: player on each team that was with the Giants at

534
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: least at some point. And I feel like the Giants

535
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: are like one of the only teams that um fit

536
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Speaker 1: that category, which I thought was pretty interesting. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys in there that, um, I just I

538
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Speaker 1: for I forgot all about um whether whether they were

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Speaker 1: on the practice squad or if I mean, unless you're

540
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Speaker 1: talking like the Montreal more Will Hill where they were

541
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Speaker 1: more known, but um, there's quite a few former practice

542
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Speaker 1: squad guys on there. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah,

543
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: it looks there on the way the Giants. And here's

544
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: the thing. When a team goes to a new head

545
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: coach and a new GM, and frankly two coaches over

546
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: three years and then two gms, you're gonna have so

547
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: much roster turnover. I mean, the Giants probably had with

548
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: a hundred different guys in out of this locker room

549
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: this year, it seemed like today. So you're gonna have

550
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: a lot of those types of players in the league,

551
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: Like this when you have that much turnover, so that

552
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: that does not surprise me. But I think that's cool.

553
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: I agree, it'll make it more fun for Giants fans.

554
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: And in fairness, a number of the guys I mean,

555
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: I'm perusing some of the names also were on the

556
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: ninety man roster, were invited to training camp and didn't

557
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: necessarily make the roster too. So, but you're right to

558
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: your point, Dylan, As I was perusing some of the

559
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: rosters and I have the list in front of me,

560
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: at least every team has about one or two guys

561
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: in terms of some guys that were fringe Giants players,

562
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: meaning they didn't make the roster, and some guys that

563
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: were even draft picks. I mean, Adrian Robinson is in

564
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Speaker 1: the a f the former Giants tight end. I mean,

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00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: that's another name that we haven't necessarily brought up. Very

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Speaker 1: least tell me Ramsey's bartens On roster did not. Yeah,

567
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Speaker 1: I know, that is probably the biggest disappointment of all

568
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: our big look kick off all of fame. And with

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Speaker 1: the exception of Ramsey's Barton, everybody else though probably would

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Speaker 1: recognize the name. Could We went from Cayl Polly right

571
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Speaker 1: to the San Diego what does it? San Diegos? Steam?

572
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: What is that? What does that call? I am not sorry, Yeah,

573
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: you gotta be politically correct on this program. How was Steam?

574
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: Not politically You want to be on point, you don't

575
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: want to mess up the league. Well, everybody's very sensitive

576
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: to the a F name, So I'm just getting on

577
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: top of the early so we don't ruffle any feeders

578
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: on this progract. I can see that we're already we're

579
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: getting overly sensitive in the topic. So but you're your

580
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: are right, Dylan. There are a lot of giants across

581
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: the board, so that at least perhaps gives people some

582
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: intrigue and interest in the Thank you, Yeah, and it

583
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: makes the off season definitely a lot easier, you know,

584
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: having football back. Um, I'm definitely starting to be a

585
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: pretty good fan of that that league, and I hope

586
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: it stays around and it's successful for next coming years.

587
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate the cold Buddy. Certain positive is that

588
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: Ramsey's Barden. They just put an image. I almost feel

589
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: like we should like stream the call sheet live or

590
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: in the show, people can click on it to show

591
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: with dead show. I guess the call she thinks I

592
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: don't know where, do where, Just do anything where this

593
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: came from? Please type it on the sheet, Dann Where

594
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: this came from? He typed in a sheet of Ramsey's

595
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: bardon doing ballet. And I can't explain it any other

596
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: way than that he's got a nice leotard going joining

597
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: a ballet company. I need to know. I need to

598
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: know the answers to all these questions. And I'm not

599
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: going to read the NBA player efficiency ratings dance. Sorry

600
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: that that's not I'm gonna raise that. That's not gonna happen.

601
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: We're not getting why Why don't you I think, actually

602
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: that's not It's not four or five one three? B.

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Speaker 1: J Armstrong, right, was in the top of that, Let's

604
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: go to the east efficiency he was, of course, let's

605
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: go to Duke into tween. He's up next, Duke. What's

606
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: going on? Pal? What's on? Guys? John? John? You made

607
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: me cry the other day, man, why you put Josh

608
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Speaker 1: Rose in despite the injuries and in such above Wayne

609
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: to ask you, I said, if Rosen did not have

610
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: any injury issues, he would be a better pross copect

611
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: than Dwayne Haskins. That that that hurt me because I

612
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: look up to you the most on the show, and

613
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: that hurt me. But you're a ton of tee opinion

614
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: of course. Um and I just wanted to ask both

615
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: of you, and I have two questions in the comments.

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Speaker 1: My first question is who do you want? We know

617
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: the names, we know Eli Old, we know we're gonna

618
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: choose one soon, a quarterback soon. Who do you guys

619
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: want this year like any year, because you might not

620
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: get one this year, you might even skip next year

621
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: for some reason. So what do you guys want, just

622
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: in general, like one name that you would like to

623
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback in the future for the Giant

624
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: I wanted Sam Donald. I mean that's possible. No, no, no, John,

625
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: That's that's possible right now, that's possible to get. In

626
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: my opinion right now, based on where the Giants are selecting,

627
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: I think Eli Manning will be the starting quarterback for

628
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: the entire twenty nineteen season, okay, and then afterwards, who

629
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Speaker 1: do you like? Because because what I'm saying is like

630
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Speaker 1: the sophomores are going to be during to me, don

631
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: you you starting next year? And I haven't studied the

632
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: guys for next year yet. I think Herbert's a good prospect.

633
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be I think he's more of

634
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: your traditional quarterback. To me, you have to have a

635
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: young you got, you know, your future, long term future

636
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in place in you have to. I would

637
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: have preferred to have it last year this year. I

638
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: liked the class last year better than the class this year. Um,

639
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of any of the guys

640
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: available in free agency, to be honest with you, So

641
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: to me, you figure out a way if you're not

642
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: gonna pick a quarterback this year. Who knows, maybe the

643
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: people upstairs love Haskins to pick him at six. Maybe

644
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: they love Drew Lock or Daniel Jones or Kylo Murray.

645
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: I don't know who they love. But if you do

646
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: not wind up with the quarterback in this year's draft,

647
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: in the first or second round, and I'm more in

648
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: favor of if you're gonna find a guy, find a

649
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: guy high and pick him high. I think second, third,

650
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: fourth round quarterback can be very, very dicey from time

651
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: to time. So to me, you gather some draft capital year.

652
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: If that means trading down a little bit and picking

653
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: up more picks, you do it. You know there's gonna

654
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: be at least one or two or three quarterbacks coming

655
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: out next year that is supposed to be good. It's

656
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: more realistic, and you have a better chance of trading

657
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: up for a guy when there are multiple options. So

658
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: I think the most realistic scenario is gathering draft capital

659
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 1: this year, doing what you can to add some picks,

660
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: and then trading up and picking the guy next year

661
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: that you like the best. That would be my way

662
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: of going about things. But again, if the Giants love

663
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: a guy enough this year to pick him at six whoever,

664
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: that might be great, good for them. Yeah, I think that. Ahead,

665
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, dude, go ahead, Duke. I'll piggy back off

666
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: of what you said, because I was gonna go to

667
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: a new topic. I was gonna get to my second questions. Well,

668
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say I think that John's game

669
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: plan is realistic. I mean, to and Herbert are a

670
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: little bit more intriguing to me than perhaps the guys

671
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: in this year's class and from to third there. You know,

672
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: also want to see that they stay healthy day. How

673
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: many things can change. There's so many variable So when

674
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: you ask the question, you know, who do I want

675
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: to see as the giants future quarterback. It's really the

676
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: land of the unknown. But I don't think and I

677
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: stand by this premise, I don't think that you should

678
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: force the issue, even though the urgency maybe there because

679
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, you don't know how many more years he's

680
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: gonna have left, and even if he does play, let's

681
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: say one or two more years, you still always need

682
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: to plan ahead. That's the whole point of the draft.

683
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I always say this, the guys you're drafting in two

684
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen or not just to impact the roster in

685
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, there the impact the roster through the

686
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: duration to their rookie contracts and beyond. So the rationale

687
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: can never be well, I gotta take the guy that's

688
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna come in and make the biggest impact year one. No,

689
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: you want to take the guy that's gonna have the

690
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: biggest impact for the now and the future. That's always

691
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: how you have to think about via the draft. So

692
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: if you don't think that the quarterback in this year's

693
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: class has a huge ceiling, meaning he may make strides

694
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: year one, year two, and then fall off year three

695
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: and year four, why the hell would you go out

696
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: and draft that player? It makes absolutely no sense. So

697
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: if they don't have a love affair with any of

698
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, you don't take a quarterback based on that.

699
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that believe, well, you're not

700
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: gonna pick this high moving forward, so therefore you have

701
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: to take the quarterback. So what you're saying is needs

702
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: should be your direction only, meaning the urgency is to

703
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: find the future quarterback. So he may be the sixth

704
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: best quarterback compared to the two thousand eighteen class, but

705
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: you should take him because you don't think you're gonna

706
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: pick sixth overall next year. I just I hate that rationale.

707
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's good football XS and ohs and

708
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: good football. I Q So I'm not in favor of that.

709
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Giants front office is thinking,

710
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: but just because you think that the Giant is gonna

711
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: be in position to think the best quarterback in two

712
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen doesn't mean he's the best quarterback compared to

713
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: previous classes or a long term viable option. People at

714
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: least need to look at that through that lens. Wow. Good,

715
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: that was that was very good. Sounds good? All right?

716
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: Uh My second question is this, uh so, Mike McCarthy

717
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: he didn't, you know, unfortunately he didn't get to a team,

718
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: so he's waiting out the next year. Supposedly, that's what

719
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: he said. You know, this is a controversial question, I

720
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: guess in a sense. But if let's say we we

721
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: don't do as good as as we'd like, which in

722
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: my opinion, is making the playoffs. So let's say we

723
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: don't make the playoffs next year, do you think going

724
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: to get Mike McCarthy's a vile option. Do you think

725
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: that's something that Giants went office? Will you know, sort

726
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: of think about hard and not just like a little

727
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: glimpse duke, a real hard thought duke. But barring some

728
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: type of apocalyptic disaster next year where you're looking at

729
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, two and fourteen or three and thirteen again,

730
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: something like that, I would be absolutely shocked, blown away

731
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: after Giants made a coaching change after next season. Unique

732
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: continuity in this league. The worst franchises in this league

733
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: are the franchises that are continually changing their head coach.

734
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: The Giants. It killed them to let go on Macadoo

735
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: after two years, despite everything that happened that year that

736
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: made them eventually pull the trigger. They do not like

737
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: making a lot of quick, rapid changes. That's not the

738
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: way they want to do this. Um. Dave Gentleman has

739
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: faith in Pat Charmer. So does ownership. They love the

740
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: way he set the culture this year, and frankly didn't

741
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: have any of the problems Ben McAdoo did when he

742
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: had his year the year prior. So I would be very,

743
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: very surprised if they end up making any type of

744
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: coaching change after next year, again barring some type of

745
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: unforeseen apocalyptic disaster that I wouldn't even fathom at this point. Well,

746
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: I think if you look around the league, you also

747
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: will see Duke that the more changes a franchise makes

748
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: at the head coaching position, the less likely they make

749
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Look at the Cleveland Browns, look at the

750
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: eight teams that made changes this offseason. Denver is really

751
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: the only exception to the rule because they had grabbed

752
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, they had a really good defense, and they

753
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: were able to get to a few Super Bowls. Here

754
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: are there Outside of that, everybody else has pretty much struggled.

755
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: The Bengals are the other exception, but the Bengals also

756
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: had Marvin Lewis for a good fifteen to sixteen years.

757
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: And I guess the I guess the Carlo was that

758
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: okay with Bruce arians and they had him there for

759
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: a while, right. But I'm i'm I was looking back

760
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: at Marvin Lewis's beginning, which was two thousand three. That's

761
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: what I took it for these eight teams, and the

762
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: teams at the top of the list are the ones

763
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: that had the least amount of changes that we're making

764
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: the playoffs consistently. So when you look at the Giants,

765
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: they've also tried to subscribe to the philosophy of less

766
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: change the better. And Dave Gettleman just came in. They

767
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: clearly have made it clear they're trying to retool this roster.

768
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: It would stun me if that quickly they would go

769
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: in a different direction, regardless of perhaps the ups and

770
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: downs that they may go through in the two thousand

771
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: nineteen season. The whole point is you're bringing in a

772
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: new roster, You're bringing in a young nucles. You want

773
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: the coach and the staff to develop these players. Now

774
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, after two years, you want to

775
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: go in a different direction. Just it doesn't add up.

776
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: And Duke really and an old fans and I know

777
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: Duke fans probably don't want to hear this, but last

778
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: year was as much of a clean up year as

779
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: anything else. You were transitioning from the old roster and

780
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: the old coach to the new one. This is really

781
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: the first year now where they're gonna have a year

782
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: or two off seasons rather to bringing all the guys

783
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: that they want. And you can really start going in

784
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: the right direction here and and m one one last question,

785
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: I'll take it year um if you want to whoever,

786
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: just if you want to say something before ask the

787
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: last question and bounce go ahead, go ahead, okay, okay, okay,

788
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: go um. One free agent that we can use, so

789
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: like an earl Thomas Tyrone, Matthew is the Darius Smith.

790
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: One true agent that we could use that we actually

791
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: should stay away from. So some like a'm misleading free agent. Okay,

792
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: So thank you appreciate the call, Duke. That's a good question.

793
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: Who's who's a dangerous guy? And thank you for the call, dude,

794
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Who's the dangerous guy out there that is

795
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: tempting and you're like, oh, he treats me, but I

796
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: can get you into trouble. That's a good question. Get

797
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: you into trouble. Okay, now I feel like we're adding

798
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: a new caveat there, I felt we're going maybe before

799
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: just an under the radar guy that perhaps not a

800
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: lot of teams see. I think necessarily looking at I

801
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: thought he was going for tempting, but then maybe you

802
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: should stay away. Well, I think that both good category.

803
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: I think Earl Thomas is a could get you into

804
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: trouble guy because he's coming off the injuries. He's older,

805
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: there's no doubt he's a wonderful player, and he plays

806
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: a position to Giants use some help at but at

807
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: thirty years old, a lot of big leg injuries. Yeah,

808
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: proceed with caution would be the name I'd put in

809
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: front of that one. I think that's fair. Well. I

810
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: also think somebody's going to spend big money on Earl Thomas,

811
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: And that's my point. I don't necessarily think that the

812
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Giants have to go in the direction of just grab

813
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: the guy that's gonna cost the most and is a

814
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: big name free agent and they need to make a

815
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: splash to a piece of the court of public opinion.

816
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I think you know they're gonna focus on some of

817
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: these complementary players that are out there that perhaps they

818
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: think you're gonna add depth and stability to a defense

819
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: that certainly had its fair share of question marks and

820
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: an offense that is looking I think to add that

821
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: second layer across the board where in the event somebody

822
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: gets hurt, you figured that they could come in and

823
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: make an impact. Now, this name was brought up on

824
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: a previous show. I like him. Bryce Callahan is one

825
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: of those under the radar free agent targets that I

826
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: don't think is going to cause you to break open

827
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: the piggy bank corner. And he's coming off a season

828
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: ending injury. So that's a name that I would throw

829
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: out there that would be sort of the opposite of

830
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: where John went in terms of somebody that has more

831
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: of the name appeal and you don't necessarily want to

832
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: throw money at it. Well, here's another guy that I

833
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: would maybe shy away from on your topic of Earl

834
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: Thomas ziggy Ansa. There's another guy about given his injury history.

835
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: Once again, the love affair with the pass rushers in

836
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: this league, the depth at that position. John in the draft,

837
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: do you need to go out and spend big money

838
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: or do you say itself, Hey, we can find a

839
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: younger version who's not gonna cost nearly as much you

840
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: will have on a rookie contract. So that would be

841
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: another name following the lead of somebody like who you

842
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: throughout Earl Thomas. A name that I would consider, but

843
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: I also think comes with some question marks is ha

844
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: Ha Clinton Dicks. Considering the Giants may want to look

845
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: at the safety position, the Alabamatize, the land veteran, solid guy,

846
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: but you also get to a point where how much

847
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: money do I truly want to invest in somebody like that?

848
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: But a name that I think is worth looking at.

849
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham is another name that I would toy with

850
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: considering I think he's going to get a lot of

851
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: demand on the open market. The only thing that worries

852
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: me about Brandon Graham is his age, but he has

853
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: shown zero signs of slowing down, never misses any games

854
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: because the injury, so that wouldn't scare me quite as

855
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: much with him. Yeah, and another name but I think

856
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: he's going to also get a lot of money is

857
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: Grady Jared of the Atlanta And while again he's on

858
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: an end, I think the Giants well because they drafted

859
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: a lot of defensive coracles. I get that now. The

860
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: guy who would really scare me if I'm a team

861
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: out there, We're going to spend money and I don't

862
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: know if the Texans will let him go. Ju Davian

863
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: Clowney would scare the but Jesus out of me, as

864
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: no one will doubt he's super talented and skilled. But boy,

865
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: that guy is a walking questionable on the injury report.

866
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: Guys feels like every week he's questionable with a back

867
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: or a knee or a leg or whatever. It's always

868
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: on the injury report. There's nothing that can destroy a

869
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: guy's value in career quicker than injuries. And then the

870
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: most difficult thing to predict, which is why it's so tricky.

871
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: What good are you if you can't stay on the field.

872
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: He can't make the team of the tub is the

873
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: old phrase, Well, it is your value dissipates if you

874
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: don't have the ability to stay on the field. I mean, now,

875
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: in fairness, you know, there are a lot of people

876
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: that are starting to classify Olivier Vernon if we're gonna

877
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: bring it home to the Giants. I don't think that's

878
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: necessarily fair because Vernon, if you remember during his entire

879
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: doll Fins Tenure had never missed a game. If it

880
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: happens again this year, I could see you going then.

881
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: I think you could start to head into that narrative.

882
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: But Clowney, to your point, we're talking about throughout the

883
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: course of his career, and who's really young. I mean,

884
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: he's just coming off his rookie contract. Well, here's another player,

885
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: his teammate J J. Watt, Right, J J. Watt's injury prone. Well,

886
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: he finally played. Did he play all sixteen this year?

887
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: I think he might have, right, But the last two

888
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: or three years before that he was a disaster. So

889
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: you say to yourself, yeah, I want the playmaker on

890
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: my team, but for the amount of money that I

891
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: have to give up, am I going to get a

892
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: big return? He did play all sixteen games this past year.

893
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: The previous two years eight games combined. Now, prior to that,

894
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: he played all sixteen, So you know what, he was

895
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: similar to Olivier. This is actually a great compare for Vernon,

896
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, But notice how you don't

897
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: necessarily put things in perspective very often, and you think

898
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: about him being sidelined more often than being on the field.

899
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: And what gets labeled as that injury prone guy. I'm

900
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned about. Yeah, he's amazing, man. I

901
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: mean he's six five pounds lines. He's not like this

902
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: two d sixty five pound bend the edge pass rusher.

903
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: The last three years he's played sixteen games, he had

904
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: twenty sacks, seventeen a half sacks and sixteen sacks forgot,

905
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: that's almost three hundred pounds. That's amazing. He's a disruptive force.

906
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Play inside outside boys, how

907
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: could a player? But all of those stats in fairness

908
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: that you're reading is when he's out there for sixteen

909
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: capable of and I don't think anybody would doubt that.

910
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: The thing is if J. J. Watt gives you ten games,

911
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: is it cost effective? Yeah, that's a good question. So

912
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was a good question from Duke. Maybe

913
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: we can put that in our pocket and use that

914
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: for a future show. I like that one. One other thing,

915
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: by the way, that I wanted to piggyback off of

916
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: that Duke brought up, because I'm sure if we're talking

917
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: about two year elements or timetables for a head coach,

918
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: if it's too long or too short people are gonna

919
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: come back. Well, they only kept Ben McAdoo for two seasons.

920
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: The way I will counter that is Ben McAdoo was

921
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: also the offensive coordinator under Tom coughlin, so he had

922
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be around the team build some offensive continue.

923
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: It a little bit different if you want to make

924
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: a comparison to a coach that came in two thousand eight.

925
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: And I will add this as well, if they had

926
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: went three and thirteen and all the problems were simply

927
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: on the field problems, I think you have a different

928
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: conversation to different context. You had guys that were I

929
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: mean literally you know, getting suspended and things like that,

930
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: and you had a lot of issues in that way.

931
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: So and that reflects on the head coach. Unfortunately. To

932
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: five one three we have some Giants news. Actually this

933
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: has got published up on Giants dot com and it

934
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: makes sense. Lancet previously mentioned that Robbie Leonard had departed

935
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: as the assistant defensive ends or defensive line coach. He

936
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: basically coached the outside linebackers and defensive ends. He had

937
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: departed to the Dolphins and also to Shaye Townsend, who

938
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: was the assistant defensive backs coach took a full not

939
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: full time, but the full defensive backs coach longer and assistant.

940
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: I forget where he went. He was the Bears, thank you.

941
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: So he's not the defensive backs coach there, and the

942
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: Giants have replaced those two players by hiring Mike Dawson

943
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: and Henry Baker. Dawson will replace Robbie Leonard and be

944
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: the outside linebackers coach, while Baker will be the team's

945
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: assistant defensive backs coach. A couple quotes f Pat Shermer,

946
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: We're throwed to end Mike and Henry our coaching staff.

947
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: They're both outstanding teachers, communicators, and motivators. They're also great people,

948
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: and we look forward to both of them contributing to

949
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: our success. So I would imagine this probably means I

950
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: imagine we would have had moves by now that the

951
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: Giants offensive assistant coaching staff will be completely intact from

952
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: nineteen stand to reason plus when you also take it

953
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: the consideration for the most part, the Bengals and the

954
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Dolphins have their staffs together. The Dolphins announced everybody. I

955
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: think Zach Taylor of Since I may be wrong, I

956
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: think maybe he still has a few more to hire,

957
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: but not major openings we're talking about at this point,

958
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: did anyone hire the former Patriots offensive one coach Um

959
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: Gugiermo He was let go by the cults. You're talking,

960
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't leave anyone in it. There was speculation that

961
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: Flores would add him. Correct because correct, So right now,

962
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone brought him in because the Bengals

963
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: brought in Jim Turner, who is with Zach Taylor in Miami,

964
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: and that created some headlines because of the bullying issue

965
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: in Miami. So yeah, both of those teams already hired

966
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: their offensive line coaches. With that being said, I can't

967
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: think of anybody else unless somebody makes a change over

968
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: the course of the summer if they're not content with

969
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: their current offensive line coach. So in all likelihood, he's

970
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: gonna be a free agent. Yeah, let's see if Googe

971
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: got hired. But I do not believe he remember, I

972
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: don't believe he did either, but I'm just double checking

973
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: and no, I do not see it. And he had

974
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: success there, He had success when he was in New England.

975
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: So that's interesting to four five, one three. It's all

976
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: brought to you by Corps Light Download, the cores Light

977
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: Awards up to an amazing Giants Prizes. And this is

978
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: from Pat Shermer. By the way um end of season

979
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: press at the question when you look back from when

980
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: you got hired until now, you obviously know a lot

981
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: more about the organization, blah blah blah. You talked a

982
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: lot about distance yourself in three and thirteen. This is

983
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: the quote from Shermer. Thank you Mr Salmon on this.

984
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what I expected from that standpoint when

985
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: you take these jobs, really don't know much about anything

986
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: in the building other than the history and the tradition

987
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: and some of the players, the ownership and the people

988
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: in positions of authority. But having not worked with them

989
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: as coaches, we get a feel for players and people

990
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: after we work with them. So I certainly have a

991
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: much better view of what this organization is and I

992
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: can help more or have more educated ideas as to

993
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: what we can do moving forward because I know the players.

994
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: I now have a staff of guys that I've worked with.

995
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: I mentioned it this week that other than Bill McGovern,

996
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: I really didn't work with any of these other coaches.

997
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: I purposely didn't hire some of my friends who are

998
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: now no longer my friends. But I'm really pleased and again,

999
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: we can all grow. There's things that we can all

1000
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 1: do better. But I've got a bunch of guys here

1001
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: that I'm looking forward to moving forward. That comes back

1002
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: to the point of a the problem with turning coaching

1003
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: staffs over, and also how last year was kind of

1004
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: a figure things out year and clean up what happened

1005
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: prior before you moveing ahead to nineteen, which is another

1006
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: element in play when we talk about building continuity. So

1007
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: not only did you bring a new head coach in,

1008
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: you brought a new head coach in. That just said

1009
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: he purposely hired individuals who he did not have established

1010
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: relationships with because he didn't want to perhaps fall into

1011
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: similar traps from previous coaching assignments other than Bill McGovern and. Correct.

1012
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: So now he goes through an entire season where he

1013
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: learned the players, he learned the coaches, and vice versa.

1014
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: So now you figure in year two, the goal is

1015
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: for everybody to take a step forward because there's more

1016
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: knowledge and more insight that could be brought to the table.

1017
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: So why after now a second season would you choose

1018
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: to go into a completely different direction, it just would

1019
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: not be fundamentally sound football rational. Steve in Northwest Ohio

1020
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: joined us on Big Lueki Golf Live. What's up, Steve,

1021
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: I've going on, um now, hol I've called it a

1022
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: few times. I've listened since the since the inception, only

1023
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: called in a few times. UM. I have something that

1024
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: I've been kind of thinking about for years, to be honest,

1025
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: and Pa is as crazy as you think he is,

1026
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: and that yeah, it's along the lines of like Paul

1027
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: de Tino and uh and uh, back and forth with

1028
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham. I was kind of convinced for a

1029
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: little while that the game was going to a passing

1030
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: game and and that Mad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs didn't

1031
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: play as large as a role as I thought they did.

1032
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: But I'm back to feeling that way against that when

1033
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: we lost those guys and we lost our running game

1034
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: and that offensive line, that was when coaches started to

1035
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: lose their jobs, and and we just kept every year,

1036
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 1: year after year, just trying to get it right. Steve,

1037
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: I agree, But I will say this, while the running

1038
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: game is important, this is a passing leak if you

1039
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: at some point when you make it a run, whether

1040
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: it's coming back in the fourth quarter or make it

1041
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: playoff run, whatever the case might be, you have to

1042
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: eventually be able to pass the ball consistently in order

1043
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: to win football game. So just something that I believe.

1044
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: While running the ball is important, balance is important. Eventually

1045
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: you are going to have to pass the ball to

1046
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: win some of these games against some of the better teams.

1047
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: It's just the way it is. But you don't see

1048
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: that the teams that one consistently in the playoffs have

1049
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: been able to run the ball effectively. And I think

1050
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: the balance is the most important thing that every team

1051
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: should strive for. Yes, it's a pass happy league. You

1052
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: look at what Patrick Mahomes did for Kansas City, but

1053
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: I think what's lost in that is what Kareem Hunt

1054
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: did before he was let go, and then when you

1055
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: saw the players that replace Kareem Hunt, Kansas City was

1056
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: still a dangerous team in terms of running the football.

1057
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: And also is an extension of the running game dumping

1058
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: it off to the running back. So Steve, I'm with you.

1059
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 1: There is value for a strong running game. And even

1060
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: if you're a pass happy team, you don't need a

1061
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: strong offensive line to protect your quarterback that is. So

1062
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: those are all common elements that go hand in hand

1063
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: with one another. But I think that that was why

1064
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: the nation was shocked at the Jared Goff that they

1065
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: saw in the in the Super Bowl is because everybody

1066
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: thought the Rams were back when C. J. Anderson was

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00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: running the ball and all of a sudden, all these

1068
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: plays were open. Everything looked easy when the running game

1069
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: was working, and then they couldn't get it going in

1070
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, Jared Goff went back to looking like

1071
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: a bust. Well, but the Steve quite frankly, even in

1072
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: the game when the Rams ran it all over, the

1073
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys goffin and play well, and he gave me that,

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00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: I'd be quite honest with you. They won because they

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00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: ran it for three hundred yards and Jared Goft still

1076
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: a young quarterback. Remember he didn't really take over as

1077
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: a full time staughter until Sean McVeigh came over. He

1078
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: only played seven games with Jeff Fisher's coaching staff. So

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00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the jury is still out if people now

1080
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden want to label them as a

1081
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: bus But to your point, Steve new England took away

1082
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: the run game just like any other good defense is

1083
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: gonna do. And then yes, under those circumstances, the quarterback

1084
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: is gonna have to make plays. I actually thought Jared

1085
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: Goff look decent towards the talent of the game when

1086
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: they started to move the chains before the interception. But yet,

1087
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: if you're in New England, you wanted him to throw

1088
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: the ball about forty times, which is exactly where he

1089
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: ended up with. I think it was about thirty eight

1090
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: or thirty nine. And you put any quarterback in that situation,

1091
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: Steve I would argue, you're going to have issues on

1092
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: offense because you're gonna be more predictable. You forced Drew

1093
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Brees to throw the ball forty five times, his interceptions

1094
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: are gonna go up. You throw Tom Brady in a

1095
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: situation where he has to throw forty five times, you're

1096
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna put him in even in an uncomfortable situation. I

1097
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: don't think Jared Goff is on an island of his own. Yeah, exactly,

1098
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: that's what That's exactly what I believe. And the same

1099
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: goes for Eli Um real real quick, if I can

1100
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: real quickly, of course you got um. I heard an

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00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: interview with Joe Staley last summer with Peter King and

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00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: he brought up, as a little tidbit, just a little

1103
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: side note of their conversation, he brought up the impact

1104
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: the fantasy football has had on the National Football League.

1105
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: And and it's not so crazy to think when you

1106
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: consider that. You know, they're always trying to be profitable,

1107
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: and they're always trying to appeal to young audiences, female audiences. Um,

1108
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: they're trying to appeal to everybody. And if fantasy football

1109
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: plays a role in getting all these different people to

1110
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: tune in and have interest in the NFL, then the

1111
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: NFL has to take note of that. So and uh,

1112
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I wonder and like Pro Football Focus, I don't know

1113
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: how much money they make off of the NFL off

1114
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: of football teams, but they would make a heck of

1115
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: a lot less money if people were not playing fantasy football.

1116
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: So therefore, they have interest in promoting the passing game

1117
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: and saying things like play action has no effect or

1118
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: the way that you run the ball has no effect

1119
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: on play action. Well, the the data proves it. I've

1120
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: seen the data. They've shown it to me. They are

1121
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: not fudging the data. They're not giving you bad math.

1122
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: And by the way, in fantasy football, you know who

1123
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: the top players in the drafts are ain't receivers, ain't quarterbacks,

1124
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: They're running backs. So fantasy football does not frown on

1125
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 1: running the football. And you'll see a million of people

1126
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: screaming at their TV every Sunday that owns you know,

1127
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: se Kwon Barkley or Ezekiel Elly or Todd Gurley, just screaming,

1128
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: run the damn football, and that's what they're gonna do.

1129
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: So there isn't any reason for people that want to

1130
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: promote fantasy football to want to take anything away from

1131
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: the running game. Is running backs are the most valuable

1132
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: players in fantasy football, especially in PPR leagues where it's

1133
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: also point per reception. Running Backs like Todd Gurley sat

1134
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley who are heavily involved, have tremendous value with

1135
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: respect to that. But you can't keep them happy with

1136
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of thirteen to ten games though either no,

1137
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: you can't. But but in fairness and listen, I didn't

1138
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: hear the Joe Stag and appreciate the phone call Steve,

1139
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: the Niners offensive lineman who he's referring to. But at

1140
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: the end of the day, people are going to consume

1141
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 1: fantasy football, whether the game's good or not because it's

1142
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: a statistical based entertainment value enjoyable, it's but people also

1143
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: but it's a form of entertainment, meaning you you know

1144
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: there's a reward at the end of the day or

1145
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the season. So that's more of

1146
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: a reason why you're invested. And it's still competition. You

1147
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: don't care if you win your game seven. I mean, listen,

1148
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: if you're running back had a bad day and he

1149
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: only had fifty yards, you got five points, what are

1150
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: you gonna do. You're gonna quit playing fantasy football? You know,

1151
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: that's life. There's so I don't think that where I

1152
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: disagree with and I'm not trying to put words in

1153
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: the less Cohler's mouth, but I think he was insinuating

1154
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: that the league has incentive to keep scoring up to

1155
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: appease to fantasy football. That was my takeaway John from

1156
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: that call. And maybe the players are seeing that. And yeah,

1157
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure that the more scoring, the more entertainment value,

1158
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: the more casual ans are going to be involved too.

1159
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: But whether we have to sit through nine, six games

1160
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: or fifty one games, I guarantee you the participation in

1161
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: fantasy football will not dissipate, it will not. I do

1162
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: believe that high or low scoring can effect ratings. I

1163
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: think your casual fan is more likely to enjoy a

1164
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: game and stick with the game if it's then six nothing.

1165
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many people that I had

1166
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: to not get into arguments with but try to correct

1167
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, that said, oh, that's

1168
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl stunk. It's a close game. I don't care about.

1169
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: Give me a close game. I don't know how any

1170
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: points to score. But I think, but I think we're

1171
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: exceptions to the rule. I think you get your people

1172
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: that may be going to tune into, you know, a

1173
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: half dozen games a year. They want to sit down.

1174
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: They want to see great plays, you know, catches running

1175
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: up and down the field. That's what they want to say,

1176
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: which is fun. I get that. I got no problem

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00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: with that either. So I do think it's not a

1178
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: surprise and it's not a coincidence that most of the

1179
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: rule changes over the past ten years have benefit of

1180
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: the offense and not the defense. Well, but I also

1181
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: think that that's the result of the whole safety angle

1182
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: to where you know you don't have necessarily guys on

1183
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: offense launching at defensive players. More often than not, it's

1184
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: usually vice versus So I think both of those concepts, John,

1185
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: to your point go hand in hand. But the other

1186
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: thing I would argue is, yes, it wasn't a high

1187
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: scoring affair, but exciting, well played defense is also a

1188
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: quality product. Ontelligent, for example, Jason mccordy hustling down in

1189
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone and knocking the ball

1190
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: away from Brandon Cooks. That was an entertaining play to watch,

1191
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks. They make the play, but you're gonna tell

1192
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: me that you didn't want to maybe see the replay

1193
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: after that, John, to see the hustle and to see

1194
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: the ability of a player having two and two and saying, hey,

1195
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't my assignment, but I gotta make the player. Also,

1196
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna give up a wide up and touchdown with you.

1197
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: So you know, that's one aspect of it, and the

1198
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: other aspect is the hypocrisy of this situation. Okay, let's

1199
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: not be naive people. You have the same individuals that

1200
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: cry about the Super Bowl. Now we're two weeks removed

1201
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: coming up, and now they're crying that they want the

1202
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: NFL back. So hold on John, what is it here?

1203
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: You either accept what the Super Bowl is good or bad,

1204
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: and then don't tell me that you're yearning for another

1205
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Two weeks later, you understand you can't complain

1206
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: about the product, and then all of a sudden be

1207
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: on your hands and knees wishing football was still around well,

1208
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: and then you had all the more traditional fans complaining

1209
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: after that Rams Chiefs game mid season where the two

1210
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 1: teams combined for nineties something points, and people weren't happy

1211
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: with that either. So this is why I say, and

1212
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: whether fans get annoyed with this next statement, if I

1213
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: am running an organization, I'm not listening to the court

1214
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: of public opinion period. I am thinking about my front office,

1215
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: what's good for my team from that lens. I can't

1216
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: please America, I can't please Twitter, can't please Instagram, can't

1217
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: please Facebook. There's no point of running your life in

1218
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: the eyes of what people are gonna write on two

1219
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: or three lines in commentary. That's true, But you can

1220
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: based on how many people are gonna turn the channel

1221
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: to your games every weekend well, because that's how you

1222
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: run your leak well, and that's fine. I have not

1223
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: looked at the ratings numbers overall, and I don't even

1224
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: know if that numbers out. What were the ratings for

1225
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen compared to two thousands seventeen. I just

1226
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: be curious to take a look at that. They're up.

1227
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: They're up, They're up, so when every other TV property

1228
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: went down? So once again, I do you think the

1229
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: NFL then has to have serious hardcore conversations about boy,

1230
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: we need to revamp our motto right now. But but

1231
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that scoring has been

1232
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: that's fair. But then at the same time, when we

1233
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: see the elite teams go up against one another, we

1234
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: get again, which is fine as long as it's well

1235
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: played football, that's all people care about. It did me

1236
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: a favor pick up Charlie and lenn I. I need

1237
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: to get to this news that that you gave me.

1238
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: Let them know. I'm happy to put them on, but

1239
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: each one only gets thirty seconds if they want to

1240
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: come on. If they don't, well, happy to take their

1241
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: calls first thing tomorrow. Give me the option. I'll do

1242
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: it the way. I don't care. But Kyler Murray put

1243
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: up a tweet and here we go. This is a

1244
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: quote for Mr Murray on his own Twitter feed. I

1245
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: will report this, but clearly it is news from the

1246
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: object itself. Moving forward, I am firmly and fully committed

1247
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: committing my life and time to becoming and that tea

1248
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: it focus and FL quarterback football has been my love

1249
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: and passion my entire life. I was raised to play quarterback,

1250
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: and I very much looked forward to dedicating one of

1251
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: myself to being the best quarterback possible and winning NFL championships.

1252
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: I've started an extensive training program to further prepare myself

1253
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: for upcoming NFL workouts and interviews. I eagerly await the

1254
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to continue to prove the NFL decision makers that

1255
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: I am the franchise quarterback my emphasis in this draft?

1256
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: Can I change my cover three answer? That's how? I'm

1257
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: not sure if that's up on the website yet. Going

1258
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: to the Combine, he was invited to the Combine. He

1259
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: had not accept that in invitation. I think at least

1260
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: most people were anticipating. He didn't know that a week

1261
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: ago when he talked Dan Patrick. Well, but because I

1262
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: think this is part of the build up to it,

1263
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: why why reveal it on a show where you can

1264
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: get attention on your Twitter. What I mean, what happens

1265
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: at the A's what happens if you the A's wanting

1266
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: in spring training and you want to play baseball, that's

1267
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: right in the middle of spring training pictures and catchers.

1268
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there was any guarantee that he was

1269
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: gonna pick football over base No, there was no guarantee

1270
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: for that. I guess I thought going to the Combine

1271
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: was as close to a guarantee that That's where I

1272
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: was going with my response, well, but not that he

1273
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: was definitely going to commit himself to Phallo. I was saying,

1274
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: this is more than just going to the This is

1275
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: basically everything, and this is I'm playing football in Oakland

1276
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: A's audios well, and I think part of that is

1277
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: the timing leading up to the Combine, so when teams

1278
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: are gonna have interviews with him, they already know, Hey,

1279
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: I've made it clear. If you want to take me

1280
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: and you think I'm gonna be your franchise quarterback, you've

1281
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: heard it already a few weeks prior. I'm not just

1282
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: telling you this in a closed door meeting, because when

1283
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: you say it publicly, then all of a sudden you

1284
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: start changing your tune you worry about and in decisive

1285
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: player that you have now. I think he's making it

1286
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: clear so that teams understand going into the interviews where

1287
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: he stands well. Now, the question is will he throw

1288
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: at the combine? I don't know about that. Him and Haskins,

1289
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: those are the two guys everyone's gonna want to see. Yeah,

1290
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna wait for their pro days. I

1291
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: think I think both of the wise to throw out

1292
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: the combine, really I do. I don't think either guy

1293
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield last year or Sam Daughtard that last year.

1294
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: I think both these guys, with only one year of

1295
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: playing football under their belt as a starter, have a

1296
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: lot to prove, and I think both guys, with their

1297
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: skill sets would improve their stock by throwing at the combine.

1298
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: Both guys have very good arms, both guys are pretty

1299
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: accurate passers, and I think that's a situation where both

1300
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: guys would excel. Here's my prediction. Kyler Murray does everything

1301
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: because he's gonna wow on the physical test. Because he's

1302
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: basically built like a slot receiver and he's got that

1303
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: type of athleticism, He's gonna do a great forty he's

1304
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,919
Speaker 1: a great shuttle. If I didn't make the quarterbacks even

1305
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: do shuttles, I don't even know if they do, were

1306
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: not to be away. He's he's got a strong arm,

1307
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: he's extremely accurate. He's gonna do really well doing combine things.

1308
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: My guess is Haskins will throw, and he's just none

1309
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: of the athletic testing because unlike contrary with Stephen A.

1310
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: Smith might think he is not a run first quarterbacks.

1311
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: So my guess is Haskins will throw, will do measurements,

1312
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: but he won't do any of the athletic testing. I

1313
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: think Murray is gonna do everything. That'd be my guest. Listen,

1314
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: I get where you're going at it. I just I

1315
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: know the issue with quarterbacks throwing is they never really

1316
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: feel comfortable throwing to wide receivers that they haven't worked

1317
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: with before. I don't know if Kyler Murray and Dwayne

1318
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: Haskins want that to be the first impression front and

1319
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: center with the TV cameras rolling. Instead, they want to

1320
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: wait for the comfort of their pro day. But you

1321
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: make a strong case. I'm not going to disagree where

1322
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: you're going, and especially if Murray is on this campaign

1323
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: to just quiet the skeptics and prove, hey, football, football, football,

1324
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: that's why they Yeah, that's my guest too. It would

1325
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: make sense, but I still go with the conservative route.

1326
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: Most quarterbacks and most people that are advising these qbis

1327
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: John are hesitant to allow them to throw the wide

1328
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: receivers that they have not had established relationships with. Sadly,

1329
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: you might end up being right. I think this is

1330
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: also wishful thinking of my part being I'm gonna be

1331
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: in the half listened two weeks that I want to

1332
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: see these guys throw. And that's something we can actually

1333
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: get out on the field four two right, we can

1334
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: a little polo head out into that bowld end and

1335
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: and then and see them throw. I think we're still there, right,

1336
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks on what Friday usually? Or is it Saturday?

1337
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: I think they throw on Friday, right, the quarterbacks. Isn't

1338
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: that when the quarterbacks go? I think it's Saturday, Saturday, Saturday?

1339
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: You all up and well I was asking the question, well,

1340
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: but you you know you were, you were spinning it

1341
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: that it would be an advantage for you. Now it

1342
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: may not even be an advantag Who is this from

1343
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: Andrew's Siciliano's account? Haskins says he will do everything at

1344
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: the combine. He tells me and Steve Mariucci that will run, throw,

1345
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: and quote unquote kill it on Mucha's whiteboard at the

1346
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: combine next week. There we go. I'm not doubting what

1347
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: he told them, But then again, things change. Things do change,

1348
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: and that's not out of the mouth of Dwayne Haskins,

1349
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: because if he doesn't, he can always claim, well, I

1350
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: don't know what they were talking about. Well, that that

1351
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: might have been an interview. I don't know, correct, and

1352
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: I get a nice response from our produce. I don't

1353
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: know how Dan has a sign that's about six ft

1354
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: long that says Haskins qb one Murray not I don't

1355
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: know how he created that within the last ten minutes.

1356
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: A good job out of Dan. Well, here's the big question.

1357
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: So is this bad news for you that Marie now

1358
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: is stealing the spotlight and committing he doesn't care. See

1359
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: I would thought that this would be sort of sour

1360
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: news because it's Haskins gets the spotlight. He's the guy.

1361
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: Murray's decisive. Dan is so much inner confidence in Dwayne

1362
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: Haskins that he believes that everyone else will see the

1363
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: light the way he has that, Haskins will be QB

1364
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: number one, And honestly, for me, and I've watched both

1365
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: guys around half the more than half each of their

1366
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: full seasons, I think Haskins is a much safer pick,

1367
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: much safer pick. I think if you draft Murray you're

1368
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: gonna have to significantly change your offense. Like Kyler Murray

1369
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: can't play in the center. Like imagine him dropping back

1370
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: behind a bunch of six five offensive lineman. How the

1371
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: hell is he gonna see see anything? How is he

1372
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: going to see anything? At ten? You just can't. So

1373
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to run everything at a shotgun. No

1374
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: more of this fullback. You know, two tight ends power

1375
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: football if you're running if you're playing in shotgun, which

1376
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: offense too? By the way, at least that's my opinion.

1377
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll be wrong. I think Baker was in shotgun

1378
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: most of the year last year at from not mistake,

1379
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: and I have to look at the numbers on that.

1380
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm not positive, But remember he's also six ft is different,

1381
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: six different, So to me, I think Haskins is a

1382
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: much more traditional NFL quarterback Now, Kyler Murray probably has

1383
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling if he can figure out a way

1384
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: to see and do the things that Drew Brees does,

1385
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: which is very difficult, you know, in the pocket, behind

1386
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: the line of scream bitch. He's probably slightly more accurate

1387
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: than Haskins is. He's got the same level of arm

1388
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: but and he's more mobile, so I think he's got

1389
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: the ceiling. But I don't know. I'd be very worried

1390
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: about picking either one in the top ten. Well, my

1391
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: in my in my humble opinion, and look, I'm an

1392
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: amateur analyst here. I don't know as much as half

1393
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: to any half of what the people upstairs no. But

1394
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: I would not trade up for either player, and I

1395
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: would be very worried about picking either guy with the

1396
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: top ten pick. Well, I think this is my personal opinion.

1397
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: I think Murray is a better quarterback than Haskins, but

1398
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: I think Haskins will be drafted before Murray. Why do

1399
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: you think Murray is a better quarterback. I think Murray

1400
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: has more athleticism, that's no question. I think the arm

1401
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: strength is, to your point, pretty much equivalent. I think

1402
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,439
Speaker 1: they're similar, but I would give Murray a slight edge

1403
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: in that department. I really like Murray's arm and Murray's

1404
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: got a top quality. I think it's overlooked because of

1405
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: his small statue, and then when you take it to

1406
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: gets iteration, accuracy and decision making. I would also give

1407
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: Murray a slight edge over Haskins. I think Haskins made

1408
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: more throws you would ask a quarterback to make in

1409
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: an NFL offense than Murray. Well, I also think that's

1410
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: a reflection of Big ten football versus Big twelve. Absolutely,

1411
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: and I think that's done of it. I think that's important.

1412
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, Murray was involved in a lot more offensive

1413
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: clinics back and forth. Now, Ohio State was involved in

1414
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: a few games that made you, you know, raise your

1415
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: eyebrows because normally you have a good defense with Ohio State,

1416
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: you pound the football, you run out the clock. That

1417
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: was not the case Michigan. In fairness, in those positions

1418
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: we had to make plays down Well, Mischion was supposed

1419
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: to have one of the best defenses in the country,

1420
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: and well they ran over them. Haskins immolated them. I mean,

1421
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was a disaster for Michigan.

1422
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: He killed them so and he was the thing too.

1423
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't think Murray did nearly as much advanced quarterbacking

1424
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, multiple reads, moving safeties, you know, small

1425
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: window throws as we saw may You'll do in that

1426
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 1: offensive year ago. I think he is a lot more

1427
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: develop a lot more developing to do than Baker Mayfield

1428
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: did coming into the draft last year. Again, just my

1429
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: humble opinion. Well, that combined with the size, is why

1430
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: I think Haskins is gonna go before him. I'd be

1431
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: surprised if we see a team rolled the dice like

1432
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: they did to a certain degree with Baker Mayfield going

1433
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: before the rest of the I know you do, but

1434
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: but here's the thing. None of the team's currently in

1435
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: their positions. If the draft order holds, is gonna take

1436
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, that would be a stunning development. And and

1437
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: don't buy into the whole Cardinals McCoy thinking that's not

1438
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: gonna happen taking them first. No, I don't buy that either.

1439
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: So once again, if the draft order stays as is,

1440
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: I'd be stunned to see Murray go Haskins. It would

1441
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: not surprise me if he's taken. Final question for you,

1442
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: and I want you to bring up the poll question.

1443
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: I want to do the review of the poll question

1444
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 1: before we say good bye final put Paul's gonna love this.

1445
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: By the way, do you know what the Tire Show

1446
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be tomorrow when Paul to Tito hosted Lads

1447
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: to the Whole Quarterback, It's gonna be great. Paul is

1448
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: gone out, you know what? And I said this on

1449
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: an earlier show. All jokes aside, and this is only

1450
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: partially a joke. I would love for the Giants to

1451
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: somehow wind up with Kyler Murray just so pulled at

1452
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: to completely change his tune about running quarterbacks. He would

1453
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: you would see him contort himself into a pretzel if

1454
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: the Giants made that decision. I Ah, of only I

1455
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: could do it beyond the beyond live with him and

1456
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: he would be surprised. And the Giants pulled one out

1457
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: and they picked up Ah, oh my god, that would

1458
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: that would be so terrific. I really want that to

1459
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: happen down inside. I am with you from a rooting interest.

1460
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm doing all the football stuff deside. I

1461
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: just want to see the Tina loses. From a reality

1462
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: standpoint once again, that that would also be a stunnard

1463
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: to me to see the Giants take Kyler Murray and

1464
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: I've said this on this show, just like it would

1465
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: have been a surprise for me to see the Giants

1466
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: take Baker Mayfield. I would have wanted to see it.

1467
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: He was the guy that I was highest on, but

1468
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: I knew realistically there's a profile to me for the

1469
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: Giants quarterback and those two guys just from a stature,

1470
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: stay Haskins much more the Giants profile, and that's why

1471
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a surprise. Murray and Mayfield would have

1472
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: been a surprise to me, and I guess I should

1473
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:19,839
Speaker 1: also speak in the present tense. Will be a surprise

1474
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: because Murray hasn't been drafted because they don't fit the

1475
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: profile to me of who the Giants have selected when

1476
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: they go the prospect road of a quarterback. So that's

1477
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: where I stand with respect to that. I could have

1478
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: a stronger feeling about Murray, but also I'm looking at

1479
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: it from a realistic lens. Now you want to see

1480
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: the results. So Sunday Afternoon has one out. And the question,

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Speaker 1: by the way, was where would you want the Giant

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Speaker 1: or when would you want the Giants to play opening

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Speaker 1: weekend next year Thursday night, Sunday afternoon, Sunday night or

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Speaker 1: Monday night, Sunday night, Thursday night, Monday night seven percent.

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Speaker 1: So Sunday is the day that people want because they

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Speaker 1: don't want to have to wait till Monday. But it's

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Speaker 1: good to see that the majority at least are an

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Speaker 1: alignment alignment with us with respect to the Sunday afternoon boats.

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Speaker 1: That's a perfectly cross ample right there. I would say

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Speaker 1: that's fair. All right, everybody, thanks for joining us. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have two big quarterbacks. Are gonna steal the spotlight

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Speaker 1: now at the NFL Combine in and we'll have coverage

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Speaker 1: for you right here on Big Blue Kickoff live live

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Speaker 1: from the Combine that week Wednesday through Friday four. Lance Meadow,

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Speaker 1: I'm John Schmilk for our producer Dan Salomon. We will

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow when Lands and Tatino host Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff at noon, and you can call to Tino with

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Speaker 1: all your quarterback questions as he talks quarterbacks all day long,

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Speaker 1: whether or not the Giants to draft one, and how

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Speaker 1: they should move forward. I think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: great show for Paul as Lands injectums with the sedatives

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Speaker 1: as the show goes on, so as Big Orange Head

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Speaker 1: doesn't explode. We'll see you next time. Everybody, have a

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Speaker 1: good one, Have a good one.