Speaker 1: Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
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Speaker 2: Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Speaker 2: Other Side.
Speaker 1: Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
Speaker 1: everything on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
Speaker 2: or to some the invisible world, life is going to
Speaker 2: be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 1: Uh heck, yes it can, because let's be honest, for
Speaker 1: in earth school is hard.
Speaker 2: In fact, you taught me that let's crush Earth school together.
Speaker 1: Today's dose. Well, hello, my witchy pooh, apparently I cannot
Speaker 1: count backwards in Spanish?
Speaker 2: True, Oh my god? What was that was that we needed?
Speaker 1: Everybody needs to go a giggles? So how are you?
Speaker 1: My fabulous which because look at you, you're like a
Speaker 1: fucking supermodel. I mean like you're all made up, it's
Speaker 1: a Saturday, you got everything, jewels, you look and what
Speaker 1: are those anyway? That are great?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Those are, of course they are. Yeah, No, you look fantastic.
Speaker 1: So thanks? Why why did you get dressed up?
Speaker 2: So usually this is not the case. Usually I'm like
Speaker 2: slummed out Lulu Lemon. But today we're recording on Saturday,
Speaker 2: and it was my last tarot class for this, the
Speaker 2: Springs class, and so yeah, so I always dress for right.
Speaker 1: Well, I want them all to confirm how fabulous you look,
Speaker 1: so because I honestly everybody, I didn't bathe. I have
Speaker 1: on a Harley Davidson T shirt and my hair is
Speaker 1: back in.
Speaker 2: A classic, a classic, the Davidson Teacher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and it's the V neck. For those of
Speaker 1: you that read my book, you know Dan Well, I
Speaker 1: broke up with Crew next so it's obviously a V
Speaker 1: neck and so you are definitely far more with it
Speaker 1: on a Saturday than I am. But I've been studying
Speaker 1: for this episode that I'm really excited about.
Speaker 2: And Nerdy Alf comes to play.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, how you know when we talk about
Speaker 1: synchronicity and when things kind of collide and and bops
Speaker 1: upside us upside the head or flicks us because you're
Speaker 1: a flicker upside the head, so it actually flicks us
Speaker 1: upside the head. And this one is interesting. We had
Speaker 1: a lot of listeners that have asked to talk more
Speaker 1: about NDEs.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have this. It's been a it's been a wave,
Speaker 2: so something's.
Speaker 1: Gone going on. And then my sister in law on
Speaker 1: Suzanne's side was texting me and she had to get
Speaker 1: a battery. Uh her better is low in her pacemaker.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And so of course I'm texting her, not
Speaker 1: being like a hope you're okay. I'm texted saying so
Speaker 1: they you're dead right momentarily when they do that, literally,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm head saying. And she's like, well, actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: they stop your heart. I go, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: I said, you've had this happen before, right, yes, I go,
Speaker 1: Now do you remember what happened during that time? So
Speaker 1: I'm proving.
Speaker 2: Can I make a request for who you talk to?
Speaker 1: So I did have a request, and she was texting.
Speaker 1: She goes, actually, you know, nothing's really happened. I don't
Speaker 1: remember anything. It's like they knocked me out, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And I said, okay, well, if something happens,
Speaker 1: will you let me know, and she goes, yeah. Two
Speaker 1: days later she sends me a text she goes, procedure over.
Speaker 1: I don't remember a thing like she actually she circled back.
Speaker 1: That's awesome, but I think that's called phishing for NDEs.
Speaker 2: Yes, be careful what you wish for people.
Speaker 1: I was asking. It was the full on curious question.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I think I'm really funny. So so, you know,
Speaker 1: I was listening to my second favorite podcast, which is
Speaker 1: my favorite murder the Murder Girls, And so the Murder
Speaker 1: Girls like they always tell stories and they read from things.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, let's just take a page
Speaker 1: from the Murder Girls. So I found a story, a
Speaker 1: fairly recent one. Yeah, three, well twenty twenty three is
Speaker 1: when she wrote it that I thought would be great
Speaker 1: to kind of go through because this is a story
Speaker 1: of a woman named Deborah Prum p r u M.
Speaker 1: And the title of the article that she actually wrote
Speaker 1: about her experience is I've had two near death experiences.
Speaker 1: Here's what I saw before I came back to life.
Speaker 2: Oh dang, okay, so this is the one you wanted
Speaker 2: that you're a sister in law.
Speaker 1: Couldn't pre you know what, You could only fish in
Speaker 1: the family pond. So much for this ship and then
Speaker 1: you got to go outside.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 1: So this is a story of Deborah Plumb And so
Speaker 1: if you guys want to put us on pause, you
Speaker 1: can go find the article and read along. Like we're
Speaker 1: like a story time. So that's why we call it
Speaker 1: Indie story time. So and I'm gonna skip. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to skip around a little bit. It's a fairly long.
Speaker 1: It's a great story, but I'm going to start kind
Speaker 1: of in those who are following alonger taking notes in
Speaker 1: the middle of her second paragraph. So, is everybody ready?
Speaker 1: Here we go Indie story time? Bring it, bring it,
Speaker 1: Deborah says. My first Indie happened just after I went Okay,
Speaker 1: it's like she's it's like she has she has Nacha
Speaker 1: on the headboard of how many times? Yeah, that's as
Speaker 1: many men as I slept with. So so my indie.
Speaker 1: Everybody's welcome, especially you Brenda, who like.
Speaker 2: I can't spring that.
Speaker 1: I don't know how far we're going to get in
Speaker 1: this story. So my apologies to deever prom Jase read.
Speaker 1: I blame you for the first interruption. Okay, my first
Speaker 1: Indie happened just after I went into early labor with
Speaker 1: my oldest child. I wound up at the hospital with
Speaker 1: stroke level blood pressure, low platelets, liver dysfunction, and seizure activities.
Speaker 1: That's exactly ps so I did not want to have
Speaker 1: children the midwife. The midwife was fumbling with a catheter
Speaker 1: when the obstetrician yelled get her into the o R. Now.
Speaker 1: Then I found myself, or the essence of myself, floating
Speaker 1: in the corner of the labor room near the ceiling,
Speaker 1: looking down on the scene as I was rushing to
Speaker 1: the operating room, and they tried to resuscitate me and
Speaker 1: have both me and my son, and save both me
Speaker 1: and my son.
Speaker 2: Okay, because that was.
Speaker 1: Weird, Oh, next word, weirdly, I felt no emotion. The
Speaker 1: doctor took our tiny baby by cesarean section for various reasons.
Speaker 1: He landed in the neonatal intensive care unit for about
Speaker 1: two weeks. They kept me in a medically induced coma
Speaker 1: for three days while trying to stabilize all that had
Speaker 1: gone awry. I continued to battle health issues for month,
Speaker 1: for months except period, except for my husband, Bruce, I
Speaker 1: don't remember telling anyone about my out of body experience.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to make of it nor how
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Instead, I focused on care care
Speaker 1: of our fragile son and regaining my own health. My
Speaker 1: second ende again not a sentence I know to write.
Speaker 1: My second India occurred. Mine would be in the second
Speaker 1: man I slept with. Was that my second? I have
Speaker 1: to have a drink with that one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly, no doubt.
Speaker 1: And I actually should actually have a little tequila. I
Speaker 1: haven't had a really long time, but after what I
Speaker 1: just talked about, I probably should. My second Endie occurred
Speaker 1: on a bitterly cold Valentine's Day. Okay, let's just pause
Speaker 1: for a moment, like this woman's have an NDEs on
Speaker 1: monumental days, significant days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've noticed that, right, yeah, yeah, heart centered days,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Oh, you're already tapping into shit. I see you.
Speaker 1: I see your hand fluttering while I'm talking. By the way, Okay.
Speaker 1: My second d occurred on a bitterly cold Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: So cold, I put on my mother's wool Chesterfield coat,
Speaker 1: a thick, cumbersome garment that I'd only worn a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Bruce and I planned to meet two other
Speaker 1: couples downtown at a restaurant called The Local. As we
Speaker 1: approached a busy intersection, my last memory was of feeling
Speaker 1: thankful when I spotted a brilliant green traffic light ahead.
Speaker 1: The stop at those two roads had always seemed like
Speaker 1: an eternity. We were running late, so I felt happy
Speaker 1: that we could breeze through. We didn't breeze through. Later
Speaker 1: I learned that a man with no license driving an
Speaker 1: SUV with no registration plowed through the intersection, crossed into
Speaker 1: our lane, and smashed into us head on. Based up right,
Speaker 1: oh mm hmm, okay, take back, Oh y'all just see No,
Speaker 1: Britta hasn't read this story. This is one of these
Speaker 1: games I like to play, which is, don't tell the
Speaker 1: which about an episode before we have it base. This
Speaker 1: makes it more fun for me and maybe others. Based
Speaker 1: on the damage caused by the impact, his car had
Speaker 1: to be going more than forty miles an hour. The
Speaker 1: collision turned our Volvo into rubble. Okay, I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: oh done, good commercials for Volvos. The airbag hit my husband,
Speaker 1: breaking his glasses and cutting his forehead. When Bruce, who
Speaker 1: was a physician, noticed me slumped and unconscious, he attempted
Speaker 1: to check my vitals. After he couldn't find signs of
Speaker 1: breathing or a heartbeat, he panicked and repeatedly yelled my name.
Speaker 1: So that's what we do to technology. If we can't
Speaker 1: make it work, we yell at it. So if it
Speaker 1: doesn't have a yelling is what makes it everything back
Speaker 1: to life. Just everybody knows. Immediately after the crash, I
Speaker 1: had no awareness of myself as a unique entity, no
Speaker 1: cognition of having a distinct identity. Instead, I felt utterly
Speaker 1: and profoundly peaceful in a way that I'd never sensed
Speaker 1: to my core. I felt safe and at home. I
Speaker 1: seemed to be immersed in glowing yellow. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to describe the sensation except that I felt as
Speaker 1: if I had been dropped in a Vada pudding. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say for the record, that sounds good
Speaker 1: any day of the week.
Speaker 2: So I can either stay in a broken body, in
Speaker 2: a broken car with my husband screaming at me, or
Speaker 2: I can be dropped in a Vada pilla pudding.
Speaker 1: Correct. I vote pudding a Vada pudding. So I think
Speaker 1: it's like lady's choice. I'm a fan of pistachio myself.
Speaker 1: But and then she says, but she was, She says,
Speaker 1: dropped in Avada pudding, but in a good way, as
Speaker 1: if I was gonna say as if there's a bad way.
Speaker 1: I love how she writes. This is great, She's She
Speaker 1: continues to say, I didn't feel dead. If anything, I
Speaker 1: felt blissfully alive. I experienced a comforting euphoria, and since
Speaker 1: my essence shimmering in the middle of a life force.
Speaker 1: As I write these words, I am reminded of string theory.
Speaker 1: The oh my gosh, she's so my people, she gets
Speaker 1: all nerdy and shit herself. I am reminded of strength theory,
Speaker 1: the idea in theoretical physics that the whole universe is
Speaker 1: made of tiny, distinct strands, closed loops of energy, each
Speaker 1: string vibrating at its own frequency. Perhaps at that moment,
Speaker 1: I became a closed loop of energy, both part of
Speaker 1: and distinct from the rest of the universe.
Speaker 2: I mean, whoa, so right, that's right, that's total cond
Speaker 2: just that's great. Yeah, yeah, uh yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean I could just stop an end the
Speaker 1: episode there, because that's amazing, but I won't. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: continue talking about putting later. When I heard when I
Speaker 1: heard all I can see's pudding, when I heard Through's
Speaker 1: voice calling my name from a vast distance. She likes
Speaker 1: the word vast because that's how she know it's vat
Speaker 1: putting that vast vat. I felt annoyed.
Speaker 2: I wanted he's disrupting, he's disrupting her.
Speaker 1: Well he's course, but she's in pudding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're ruining my pudding high in my.
Speaker 1: Pudding moment, motherfucker. I felt annoyed. I wanted to stay put.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't remember making a clear decision
Speaker 1: to go back at that point. I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: felt that I had enough agency that I possessed a
Speaker 1: self capable of making that decision. Yeah, that makes sense, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is oh shit. I just looked at
Speaker 1: the time, we should probably take a break, and I
Speaker 1: think I keep that in when I actually noticed those
Speaker 1: ship we should take a break. Okay, we're gonna take
Speaker 1: a break, everybody, and we're going to continue on in
Speaker 1: this journey of.
Speaker 2: Best putting it. We'll be right back. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: this second NDE. Here we go. Tell us more my elf.
Speaker 1: Okay, she continues with Over the years, I've become weepy
Speaker 1: when I remember my strong resistance to returning. Maybe the
Speaker 1: source of my tears is rooted in guilt that my
Speaker 1: reluctance to return to my earthly body represents the betrayal
Speaker 1: of my loved ones, preferring the yellow pudding place. I
Speaker 1: love her so much and we need to meet her.
Speaker 2: Prefer at least we have a hint into the flavor
Speaker 2: now yellow pudding?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yellow, right? Which is I think just vanilla or
Speaker 1: banana banana or banana banana's good yellow pudding place to
Speaker 1: a continued life with them. Or maybe the weepiness is
Speaker 1: simply longing for that piece of that other home. I
Speaker 1: felt right, yeah, when I finally did return to my body,
Speaker 1: inexplicit inexplicitly, will you say that word?
Speaker 2: Inexplicitly?
Speaker 1: That too? I felt no pain.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 1: It took me a while to process that we'd been
Speaker 1: in an accident and that I was starting at the
Speaker 1: crushed interior of our once sturdy Volvo. I saw crooked
Speaker 1: headlights from the other vehicles shining into the interior of
Speaker 1: our car at a disturbing ankle, surreal light illuminating tiny
Speaker 1: glimmering particles in front of me. Maybe they were parts
Speaker 1: of the deployed airbag, or maybe a substance emanating from
Speaker 1: the engine outside the car. Smoke or steam filled the air,
Speaker 1: I don't know which. I saw the dark shape of
Speaker 1: a person with long hair running past the front of
Speaker 1: our car, waving his hands and yelling. Later I found
Speaker 1: out this was the driver of the other vehicle. I
Speaker 1: looked beside me to see Bruce with blood covered his
Speaker 1: covering his pale face. He seemed to be speaking, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand his words. That's when he was yelling.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My next memory is of a man opening the passenger
Speaker 1: door and talking to me. To this day, I can
Speaker 1: picture him clearly in his forties, curly hair with a
Speaker 1: receding hairline, button down dressed shirt, and no tie. He
Speaker 1: looked like a guy you'd find working behind a desk
Speaker 1: in some office. He said, I'm going to release your
Speaker 1: seat belt, but I don't want to move you unless
Speaker 1: the engine catches fire. I will stay with you until
Speaker 1: the ambulance and s arrives. Then the man knelt outside.
Speaker 1: The man knelt outside the car and held my hand
Speaker 1: until the emergency technicians showed up and strapped me into
Speaker 1: a gurney.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I get chills everywhere. Oh just wait,
Speaker 2: this guy must have been medically trained.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, long after the crack uh or or or or.
Speaker 1: Long after the crash, while we were comparing notes, Bruce
Speaker 1: told me he had no memory of the man and
Speaker 1: said he never saw anyone except the EMT's arriving. After
Speaker 1: hearing this, I wanted to track down emergency personnel at
Speaker 1: the scene to both verify the existence of the guy
Speaker 1: and see if anyone took his name so I could
Speaker 1: thank him. But we were never able to find any witness.
Speaker 1: Ye Mike drop right, Mike Nils yep, those angels yep.
Speaker 1: I wound up with deep bruising on my ribs for months.
Speaker 1: Every time I breathed, I felt as if my chest
Speaker 1: were encased in barbed wire. Ough she went from putting
Speaker 1: to barbed wire. That is definitely done. I'd want to
Speaker 1: sit on the other side too. I went through months
Speaker 1: of therapy to reduce the large heemotoma that lay over
Speaker 1: my heart. I've often wondered if my mother's sturdy Chesterfield
Speaker 1: coat saved my life that day. Once again, except to Bruce,
Speaker 1: I made no mention of those other worldly experiences at
Speaker 1: the accident's site. I wanted to protect my immediate family
Speaker 1: from knowing how close I'd come to death, so I
Speaker 1: didn't mention details to them. In the weeks following the crash,
Speaker 1: I said nothing about my NDE to friends, still ensure
Speaker 1: of how to name and frame my experience. I am
Speaker 1: naturally a skeptical person. My former work as the co
Speaker 1: director of a research and resource center in the Department
Speaker 1: of Maternal and Child Hair, I said child hair child
Speaker 1: health at Dartmouth Medical School required me to think pragmatically, hair,
Speaker 1: that's funny. I want to be funny to like, here's
Speaker 1: the child hair health building. Nice. That wasn't okay? I
Speaker 1: think pragmatically. That wasn't a stretch because it's how I'm wired.
Speaker 1: Back in New Testament days, I'm sure I would have
Speaker 1: been just like Thomas insisting that I touched the wounds
Speaker 1: of Jesus before I could believe he came back from
Speaker 1: the dead. I don't know that story, but cool.
Speaker 2: But that's where we get the phrase doubting Thomas.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, I've learned something new today.
Speaker 2: That's a thing.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Uh. It took me having It
Speaker 1: took me having two NDEs to make me believe they exist.
Speaker 1: Would I have been convinced if I had hadn't experienced them.
Speaker 1: My guess is No. I don't know if everyone needs
Speaker 1: to have an NDA NDA. Nobody needs to have an NDA.
Speaker 1: Good grief, y'all. This is part of the comedy, h
Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody needs to have an NDE
Speaker 1: to fully understand them. I just know.
Speaker 2: But that is why she she had too, that is why.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Yeah. So what does
Speaker 1: a I have to see it to believe to believe
Speaker 1: it person do with experiencing two indes? They didn't fit
Speaker 1: into my idea of how the world works. I kept
Speaker 1: quiet about them until two years ago when a friend
Speaker 1: lent me a book about indes written by a physician
Speaker 1: and researcher at the University of Virginia. So footnote about
Speaker 1: uv A. They not only have all these cases about NDEs,
Speaker 1: but they also have a lot of cases of kids,
Speaker 1: you know, coming in, like reincarnation stories, children reincarnation stories.
Speaker 1: So you uv A is a very interesting school to me.
Speaker 1: We may need to go visit, she goes. After I
Speaker 1: read the book, I checked out several other studies on
Speaker 1: the topic. I felt both and comforted when I realized
Speaker 1: that so many of the accounts and scientific literature matched
Speaker 1: my experiences. Having a name for what I went through
Speaker 1: and knowing that many people shared similar experiences has made
Speaker 1: me more willing to tell people about my NDEs. Should
Speaker 1: we take another quick break or is that too fast? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's take it quickie, And then I think there's a
Speaker 1: little bit more to say than I think we should
Speaker 1: kind of talk a little bit about it, because yeah,
Speaker 1: break it up, we'll be right back, y'all.
Speaker 2: And welcome back, all right myself? So how does she
Speaker 2: end up being able to hold this information?
Speaker 1: This is actually the part that I so deeply love about. Well,
Speaker 1: all of it's really fascinating. I'm sorry she had to
Speaker 1: go through what should but this is a part that
Speaker 1: I deeply love about. Her story is and there's more
Speaker 1: to this, but this is where we're just going to
Speaker 1: end it, so we can chit chat a little bit.
Speaker 1: But she says, I hesitate to draw any firm conclusions
Speaker 1: about my NDEs. I know that an experience in the
Speaker 1: past doesn't guarantee how a future experience will transpire. However,
Speaker 1: I am reassured that I felt no emotional distress or
Speaker 1: physical pain either time. Whether it's rational or not, I
Speaker 1: don't dread my precise moment of death.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Leave it at that because I think this is there's again,
Speaker 1: there's there's more, and I think I told you all
Speaker 1: what the article's name is. But there's so much more
Speaker 1: to read, and there's other stories that I would love
Speaker 1: for us to keep bringing back and sharing. But what
Speaker 1: I think is so fascinating from any first account stories,
Speaker 1: whether it was Mona telling me about her her first
Speaker 1: and well she couldn't tell about a second one in
Speaker 1: human form because that one took her out. But her
Speaker 1: first MDE when.
Speaker 2: Which my death definition which no, no, you're right.
Speaker 1: Now, just full on jump. The other one she jumped
Speaker 1: and tripped. Then she just like jumped without tripping. But
Speaker 1: you know, similarities were For one is Mona talked about
Speaker 1: how she was in the corner of the room and
Speaker 1: she saw herself like so they're like there's a bystander
Speaker 1: factor right without the emotions things about it. She saw
Speaker 1: her head on the top of her head open up
Speaker 1: from a hinge and she saw this gold liquid pouring
Speaker 1: into it. Right, she saw this woman had yellow pudding,
Speaker 1: which is amazing gold don't putting something there. But you know,
Speaker 1: Monda didn't fear death you know she had. And then
Speaker 1: other accounts, whether it was Anita Moore, Johnny or other
Speaker 1: people I've read, or Danny Brinkley, Danny and Brinkley. It's
Speaker 1: like all of those stories and thousands I've read, not thousands, hundreds,
Speaker 1: maybe they've read in different snippets. Everybody ends the same way,
Speaker 1: which is, I am no longer afraid. I know that
Speaker 1: something bigger, and.
Speaker 2: Even coming back is you know the guilt she felt.
Speaker 2: Instead of like having it be guilt, just be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm back and I know I won't be here forever.
Speaker 2: Like that's usually one of the things they're clear about.
Speaker 2: I'm coming back for a purpose, I'm coming back for
Speaker 2: a season, and I'm going to be all in, even
Speaker 2: though every day I can't wait to be reunited in
Speaker 2: my spirit form, right. I mean, there's usually that element
Speaker 2: of you know, I'm ready anytime, and I'm willing to
Speaker 2: go back because there's usually often not always that there's
Speaker 2: some message that's given to them, some information that says
Speaker 2: this will be helpful as you navigate our school, right right.
Speaker 1: I don't think we got that from her. I share it,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know I don't. I didn't read that article,
Speaker 2: but I would. I would imagine that that's in there
Speaker 2: somewhere at some point, and it could be she's not
Speaker 2: there yet, like maybe she didn't even remember the whole
Speaker 2: thing yet, because I do hear that usually if there's
Speaker 2: a mission or a message that they come back with,
Speaker 2: it takes a while for it to surface, right, like
Speaker 2: sometimes ten years later. But this this concept of oh,
Speaker 2: that's what it is, and everyone's so afraid of it
Speaker 2: because all people understand about death. You know, if we're here,
Speaker 2: we're not there, so we understand the loss of death.
Speaker 2: But if you're the person who's making the transition, you know,
Speaker 2: there is no death, like you know, you just you're like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's no death. It's a transition. I still exist,
Speaker 2: So there's nothing to fear because there's no true loss. Yes,
Speaker 2: you lose your body, but that's not a true loss
Speaker 2: of essence. It's you know, like it's like losing a
Speaker 2: pair of shoes. I mean, now, granted, i'd be really
Speaker 2: sad about that, but but it's not like, you know.
Speaker 3: I'm plais I was so sad to lose about a
Speaker 3: pudding exactly my point. But you know, it's not the
Speaker 3: essence of you. You know, you know, you'll have another experience.
Speaker 3: It won't be putting, but it'll be something. And and
Speaker 3: this is I think the thing that people find so comforting,
Speaker 3: and that the more people that know it, the more
Speaker 3: people that when they are supporting someone who's making a transition,
Speaker 3: they can also comfort them. Right, that says, this is okay,
Speaker 3: you can release. There are souls waiting for you. There
Speaker 3: is another experience for you that's next, and we will
Speaker 3: we will be reunited at some point, right, so never
Speaker 3: forget me. I will see you one day, you know,
Speaker 3: whenever that is, we will be reunited. And that's a
Speaker 3: super great sacred space. As you send someone off, instead
Speaker 3: of the panicking, I mean, people tell me stories of
Speaker 3: where their loved one is on their deathbed and they're
Speaker 3: like streaming, no, no, You're like, wait a minute, baliant,
Speaker 3: are we doing that? You know, instead of instead of
Speaker 3: embracing with grace and bravery and grieving. Of course, of
Speaker 3: course there's grieving, but you know, instead of the fear,
Speaker 3: the gripping fear.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what that's what Danny and Brinkley did. When
Speaker 1: he first came back, he went and he helped people
Speaker 1: cross over. I think that was great. I mean, he
Speaker 1: spent a tremendous amount of time dedicated to doing that.
Speaker 1: His was his was probably the most poignant story I've heard.
Speaker 1: Like it was so impassable, opening the success and seeing
Speaker 1: future events telling him how to build that bed to help,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: The lightbud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the light bed for the army vets. And I
Speaker 1: mean his was like, boy, he was like front of
Speaker 1: the line for all the big jobs, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: For the he definitely got missions. Yeah, and other people.
Speaker 2: Their mission is to share your story with this. This
Speaker 2: woman specifically was afraid to do it. Didn't have context
Speaker 2: or like I'm going to lose my job. Right, this
Speaker 2: is going to make people so uncomfortable. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: They're thinking I come from crazy town, right yeah.
Speaker 2: As opposed to oftentimes when you share something with a
Speaker 2: medical professional, they'll say, oh, yeah, we hear this all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: You're not crazy, right, I mean I've heard that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you get someone who's who's gracious and compassionate.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, Well then you have other ones, of course
Speaker 1: that want to say, well, this is what happens with
Speaker 1: the brain.
Speaker 2: You know, and that's exactly right, and and somehow in
Speaker 2: the brain, everyone's hallucinating the same thing.
Speaker 1: And with as little as we know about the brain,
Speaker 1: they somehow know about this. Instead of focus on that,
Speaker 1: why don't you focus on some women's hormone studies. But
Speaker 1: that's okly funny, go ahead and keep telling us what
Speaker 1: the fuck to do? Wow went off? The rails went
Speaker 1: off the rail fair point nonetheless. Yeah, I do you know,
Speaker 1: I have such great peace about whenever it's time to jump,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's it's cool, Like it's a great it's
Speaker 1: been a great run, no matter how long it is,
Speaker 1: And it's funny. I met somebody here in town and
Speaker 1: was talking about, I don't know, we have a lot
Speaker 1: of like crunchy people here. It is great, it's great,
Speaker 1: and we have super crunch and she was talking about not,
Speaker 1: you know, not being fearful of things. I said, oh girl,
Speaker 1: I'm so not fearful of death. She says you're not.
Speaker 1: I said, oh no, no, no, no, oh no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's all good. And she's like, wow, I've never met
Speaker 1: anybody's so calm. I said, I'm not asking for it,
Speaker 1: but we're all going to get it.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you can't avoid it can't avoid.
Speaker 1: It's like death taxes and I now add AI to
Speaker 1: that list, But it's artificial intelligence. It's death taxes and
Speaker 1: our artificial intelligence. But it's like, because I know, I've
Speaker 1: been here, and that's very comforting. I haven't had to
Speaker 1: have an NDE. These stories are are amazing and mind
Speaker 1: blowing and status shattering. It's like, holy crap, And they
Speaker 1: come from every walk of life.
Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt. It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I mean, Danny Brankley was a douchebag and like it
Speaker 1: was a total douchebag cowboy guy, like with his boots on,
Speaker 1: you know, womanized or.
Speaker 2: Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, right but.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all.
Speaker 2: Right, but he needed a second chance, right right, boy?
Speaker 1: He took it by the horns.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. I had a conversation recently with
Speaker 2: my mom when I went to visit her a couple
Speaker 2: of months ago and my aunt, as we had discussed
Speaker 2: here before that my aunt Lois passed, my beloved aunt
Speaker 2: Lois and recently, like just a couple of six months ago,
Speaker 2: and she said my mom had had since had a
Speaker 2: stroke and so you know, she's contemplating things differently, and
Speaker 2: she says to me, Bren, what do you think happens
Speaker 2: when we die? Now? My mom and I have had
Speaker 2: many conversations of this because we've had loved ones die right,
Speaker 2: and she knows what I do, but everything's new and
Speaker 2: renewed for her. So I said, well, Mama, you know,
Speaker 2: I shared with her how I think things work and
Speaker 2: how we release and what's waiting for us on the
Speaker 2: other side and what's possible. And she, you know, looked
Speaker 2: at me in her post stress understanding and said with
Speaker 2: like the innocence and a thousand percent sincerity, and she said, Bren,
Speaker 2: I think people would really want to hear that. I
Speaker 2: think that would be really comforting. She was so sweet.
Speaker 2: It was so beautiful and so sweet. And so I
Speaker 2: think the more people who've had these endes that can
Speaker 2: be brave and share. And if you're not fully certain
Speaker 2: how people are going to receive information, you can always
Speaker 2: say I had a dream. Wrap it up in that,
Speaker 2: right is having the dream. No one can dispute your dreams,
Speaker 2: or I had this dream and this was my experience.
Speaker 2: And then if you receive safety and acknowledgment, you can
Speaker 2: expand if that's appropriate, but it's it's one way to share,
Speaker 2: to see how people receive it. That's why we all.
Speaker 1: Have to tell our stories, you know, And I think
Speaker 1: that you know, I love that listeners are asking us
Speaker 1: about this, and I don't love that my sister in
Speaker 1: law had to get her battery change in her pacemaker.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: So grateful, so grateful. She got so.
Speaker 1: Grateful, exactly, so grateful. She's not like talking through you
Speaker 1: right now saying last all no, so because she would
Speaker 1: say that, well, probably assholes. But I think these stories
Speaker 1: are so nice to hear. I think there are stories
Speaker 1: that whether you've met anybody that have had it, whether
Speaker 1: you've ever read a story about it, there is that
Speaker 1: there's a comfort and a calm and what I think
Speaker 1: the world is today and has always been, it's certainly
Speaker 1: at heightened times, a kind of a scary place. And
Speaker 1: to know that that's not all there is. To know
Speaker 1: we have to live in this. This is part of
Speaker 1: our job, right, it's part of our school. But to
Speaker 1: know that there's this, this, this other is here for
Speaker 1: us too. And I think that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: I love to tell these types of stories because it's
Speaker 1: a very calm and peaceful place. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I even remember, you know, my little, my little mini
Speaker 2: story when I was underwater as a four or five
Speaker 2: year old and I'm laying on the bottom of the
Speaker 2: lake and seeing this bright light that's so warm and
Speaker 2: so loving and like moving towards it, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, my mom reaches underwater and grabs me
Speaker 2: and pulls me out.
Speaker 1: Do you like, damn it, Mom? You did so you
Speaker 1: could take care of you when you get all. Sandy
Speaker 1: had a plan's always had.
Speaker 2: But the warmth of that light of love I will
Speaker 2: never forget. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for bringing this to us my own.
Speaker 1: Well, it was my pleasure. And I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see the building that's called child Hair Center. Any being
Speaker 1: bad a pudding?
Speaker 2: Maybe they could do them both in one place and
Speaker 2: I could just visit.
Speaker 1: What I want to come back, huh.
Speaker 2: I just also want to invite people to live, you know,
Speaker 2: to challenge you to live in an inspired way so
Speaker 2: that you don't have to have two or even one
Speaker 2: in thee to know that it's real. Because remember, our
Speaker 2: school is hard.
Speaker 1: Without the other side. Thanks you all for listening. Thank
Speaker 1: you bye, thanks for what you do by y'all.
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Speaker 2: to our producer Joey Patt and our executive producer Maya
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