WEBVTT - NDE Storytime 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.360 Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:09.280 of iHeartRadio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.320 Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:13.920 Other Side. 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.880 Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.000 everything on the other side. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.800 Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic, 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.920 or to some the invisible world, life is going to 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.600 be more fun and much more serene. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.479 Uh heck, yes it can, because let's be honest, for 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:36.600 in earth school is hard. 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:40.080 In fact, you taught me that let's crush Earth school together. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:51.280 Today's dose. Well, hello, my witchy pooh, apparently I cannot 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:56.760 count backwards in Spanish? 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:02.600 True, Oh my god? What was that was that we needed? 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:04.720 Everybody needs to go a giggles? So how are you? 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.480 My fabulous which because look at you, you're like a 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.680 fucking supermodel. I mean like you're all made up, it's 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:15.480 a Saturday, you got everything, jewels, you look and what 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:17.040 are those anyway? That are great? 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:18.560 Uh? 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:24.200 Those are, of course they are. Yeah, No, you look fantastic. 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.120 So thanks? Why why did you get dressed up? 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:30.880 So usually this is not the case. Usually I'm like 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:37.680 slummed out Lulu Lemon. But today we're recording on Saturday, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.600 and it was my last tarot class for this, the 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.200 Springs class, and so yeah, so I always dress for right. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.319 Well, I want them all to confirm how fabulous you look, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:52.920 so because I honestly everybody, I didn't bathe. I have 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.600 on a Harley Davidson T shirt and my hair is 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:56.960 back in. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.760 A classic, a classic, the Davidson Teacher. 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:05.000 Yeah, it's and it's the V neck. For those of 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:06.760 you that read my book, you know Dan Well, I 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.400 broke up with Crew next so it's obviously a V 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.280 neck and so you are definitely far more with it 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.760 on a Saturday than I am. But I've been studying 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.480 for this episode that I'm really excited about. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.960 And Nerdy Alf comes to play. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.480 Well, it's funny, how you know when we talk about 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:30.160 synchronicity and when things kind of collide and and bops 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:32.840 upside us upside the head or flicks us because you're 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.919 a flicker upside the head, so it actually flicks us 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:40.680 upside the head. And this one is interesting. We had 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:43.320 a lot of listeners that have asked to talk more 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:44.280 about NDEs. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.560 Yes, we have this. It's been a it's been a wave, 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:49.680 so something's. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.720 Gone going on. And then my sister in law on 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.080 Suzanne's side was texting me and she had to get 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.799 a battery. Uh her better is low in her pacemaker. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.280 Oh yeah, And so of course I'm texting her, not 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.680 being like a hope you're okay. I'm texted saying so 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.200 they you're dead right momentarily when they do that, literally, 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:17.399 that's what I'm head saying. And she's like, well, actually, yeah, 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.200 they stop your heart. I go, that's what I thought. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:21.680 I said, you've had this happen before, right, yes, I go, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.760 Now do you remember what happened during that time? So 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.280 I'm proving. 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.240 Can I make a request for who you talk to? 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.120 So I did have a request, and she was texting. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.520 She goes, actually, you know, nothing's really happened. I don't 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.839 remember anything. It's like they knocked me out, blah blah 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.880 blah blah blah. And I said, okay, well, if something happens, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.200 will you let me know, and she goes, yeah. Two 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.040 days later she sends me a text she goes, procedure over. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.600 I don't remember a thing like she actually she circled back. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.720 That's awesome, but I think that's called phishing for NDEs. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.560 Yes, be careful what you wish for people. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.440 I was asking. It was the full on curious question. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:13.560 So anyway, I think I'm really funny. So so, you know, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.840 I was listening to my second favorite podcast, which is 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:23.200 my favorite murder the Murder Girls, And so the Murder 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.200 Girls like they always tell stories and they read from things. 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:27.720 I'm like, you know what, let's just take a page 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.440 from the Murder Girls. So I found a story, a 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.839 fairly recent one. Yeah, three, well twenty twenty three is 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.120 when she wrote it that I thought would be great 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.280 to kind of go through because this is a story 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.920 of a woman named Deborah Prum p r u M. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.000 And the title of the article that she actually wrote 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.560 about her experience is I've had two near death experiences. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.240 Here's what I saw before I came back to life. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.600 Oh dang, okay, so this is the one you wanted 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:59.520 that you're a sister in law. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.120 Couldn't pre you know what, You could only fish in 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.000 the family pond. So much for this ship and then 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.839 you got to go outside. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:09.280 So good. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:12.839 So this is a story of Deborah Plumb And so 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.640 if you guys want to put us on pause, you 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:18.039 can go find the article and read along. Like we're 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.360 like a story time. So that's why we call it 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:24.039 Indie story time. So and I'm gonna skip. I'm gonna 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:25.960 try to skip around a little bit. It's a fairly long. 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.560 It's a great story, but I'm going to start kind 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.960 of in those who are following alonger taking notes in 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.760 the middle of her second paragraph. So, is everybody ready? 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:39.320 Here we go Indie story time? Bring it, bring it, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:47.520 Deborah says. My first Indie happened just after I went Okay, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:50.560 it's like she's it's like she has she has Nacha 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:55.640 on the headboard of how many times? Yeah, that's as 0:05:55.680 --> 0:06:01.960 many men as I slept with. So so my indie. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:06.600 Everybody's welcome, especially you Brenda, who like. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.080 I can't spring that. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:13.560 I don't know how far we're going to get in 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.920 this story. So my apologies to deever prom Jase read. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.520 I blame you for the first interruption. Okay, my first 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.120 Indie happened just after I went into early labor with 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.159 my oldest child. I wound up at the hospital with 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:35.200 stroke level blood pressure, low platelets, liver dysfunction, and seizure activities. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.520 That's exactly ps so I did not want to have 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:44.719 children the midwife. The midwife was fumbling with a catheter 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.760 when the obstetrician yelled get her into the o R. Now. 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.600 Then I found myself, or the essence of myself, floating 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.640 in the corner of the labor room near the ceiling, 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.200 looking down on the scene as I was rushing to 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.560 the operating room, and they tried to resuscitate me and 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.640 have both me and my son, and save both me 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:08.280 and my son. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:10.600 Okay, because that was. 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:15.080 Weird, Oh, next word, weirdly, I felt no emotion. The 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:20.320 doctor took our tiny baby by cesarean section for various reasons. 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.239 He landed in the neonatal intensive care unit for about 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.280 two weeks. They kept me in a medically induced coma 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.840 for three days while trying to stabilize all that had 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:33.120 gone awry. I continued to battle health issues for month, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.120 for months except period, except for my husband, Bruce, I 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.480 don't remember telling anyone about my out of body experience. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.640 I didn't know what to make of it nor how 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.640 to talk about it. Instead, I focused on care care 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:53.080 of our fragile son and regaining my own health. My 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:58.520 second ende again not a sentence I know to write. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.200 My second India occurred. Mine would be in the second 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:08.440 man I slept with. Was that my second? I have 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:09.720 to have a drink with that one. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.520 So yeah, exactly, no doubt. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.760 And I actually should actually have a little tequila. I 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.520 haven't had a really long time, but after what I 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.200 just talked about, I probably should. My second Endie occurred 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.600 on a bitterly cold Valentine's Day. Okay, let's just pause 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.400 for a moment, like this woman's have an NDEs on 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.160 monumental days, significant days. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:39.559 Yeah, yeah, I've noticed that, right, yeah, yeah, heart centered days, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:40.520 right right. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.280 Right, yeah, Oh, you're already tapping into shit. I see you. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.640 I see your hand fluttering while I'm talking. By the way, Okay. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.240 My second d occurred on a bitterly cold Valentine's Day. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.480 So cold, I put on my mother's wool Chesterfield coat, 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.520 a thick, cumbersome garment that I'd only worn a couple 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.280 of times. Bruce and I planned to meet two other 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.400 couples downtown at a restaurant called The Local. As we 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:10.120 approached a busy intersection, my last memory was of feeling 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.800 thankful when I spotted a brilliant green traffic light ahead. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.600 The stop at those two roads had always seemed like 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.240 an eternity. We were running late, so I felt happy 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.240 that we could breeze through. We didn't breeze through. Later 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.120 I learned that a man with no license driving an 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:34.199 SUV with no registration plowed through the intersection, crossed into 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.920 our lane, and smashed into us head on. Based up right, 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:46.599 oh mm hmm, okay, take back, Oh y'all just see No, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.600 Britta hasn't read this story. This is one of these 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:50.760 games I like to play, which is, don't tell the 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:55.720 which about an episode before we have it base. This 0:09:55.800 --> 0:10:00.640 makes it more fun for me and maybe others. Based 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.079 on the damage caused by the impact, his car had 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.840 to be going more than forty miles an hour. The 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.920 collision turned our Volvo into rubble. Okay, I'm just gonna say, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:16.280 oh done, good commercials for Volvos. The airbag hit my husband, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:20.480 breaking his glasses and cutting his forehead. When Bruce, who 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.920 was a physician, noticed me slumped and unconscious, he attempted 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.880 to check my vitals. After he couldn't find signs of 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:31.720 breathing or a heartbeat, he panicked and repeatedly yelled my name. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.000 So that's what we do to technology. If we can't 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.560 make it work, we yell at it. So if it 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.160 doesn't have a yelling is what makes it everything back 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.800 to life. Just everybody knows. Immediately after the crash, I 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:49.360 had no awareness of myself as a unique entity, no 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:56.160 cognition of having a distinct identity. Instead, I felt utterly 0:10:56.360 --> 0:11:00.440 and profoundly peaceful in a way that I'd never sensed 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:05.880 to my core. I felt safe and at home. I 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:09.600 seemed to be immersed in glowing yellow. I don't know 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.880 how to describe the sensation except that I felt as 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.400 if I had been dropped in a Vada pudding. Okay, 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:19.120 I'm just gonna say for the record, that sounds good 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:19.880 any day of the week. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.920 So I can either stay in a broken body, in 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.880 a broken car with my husband screaming at me, or 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.679 I can be dropped in a Vada pilla pudding. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:40.880 Correct. I vote pudding a Vada pudding. So I think 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.720 it's like lady's choice. I'm a fan of pistachio myself. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.160 But and then she says, but she was, She says, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.840 dropped in Avada pudding, but in a good way, as 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:56.239 if I was gonna say as if there's a bad way. 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:03.120 I love how she writes. This is great, She's She 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.320 continues to say, I didn't feel dead. If anything, I 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:15.319 felt blissfully alive. I experienced a comforting euphoria, and since 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.760 my essence shimmering in the middle of a life force. 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:23.040 As I write these words, I am reminded of string theory. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.840 The oh my gosh, she's so my people, she gets 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.480 all nerdy and shit herself. I am reminded of strength theory, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:35.080 the idea in theoretical physics that the whole universe is 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:40.480 made of tiny, distinct strands, closed loops of energy, each 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:45.760 string vibrating at its own frequency. Perhaps at that moment, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.800 I became a closed loop of energy, both part of 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.760 and distinct from the rest of the universe. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:59.960 I mean, whoa, so right, that's right, that's total cond 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:04.280 just that's great. Yeah, yeah, uh yeah. 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:05.880 So I mean I could just stop an end the 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.079 episode there, because that's amazing, but I won't. Yeah, I'll 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:14.920 continue talking about putting later. When I heard when I 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:20.000 heard all I can see's pudding, when I heard Through's 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.400 voice calling my name from a vast distance. She likes 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.239 the word vast because that's how she know it's vat 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.440 putting that vast vat. I felt annoyed. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.360 I wanted he's disrupting, he's disrupting her. 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.080 Well he's course, but she's in pudding. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.600 Yeah, you're ruining my pudding high in my. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:50.920 Pudding moment, motherfucker. I felt annoyed. I wanted to stay put. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.360 To be honest, I don't remember making a clear decision 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.480 to go back at that point. I'm not sure I 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.960 felt that I had enough agency that I possessed a 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:05.720 self capable of making that decision. Yeah, that makes sense, right, 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.960 I mean, this is oh shit. I just looked at 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.679 the time, we should probably take a break, and I 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.760 think I keep that in when I actually noticed those 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.720 ship we should take a break. Okay, we're gonna take 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.640 a break, everybody, and we're going to continue on in 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:21.680 this journey of. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:32.960 Best putting it. We'll be right back. Welcome back to 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.160 this second NDE. Here we go. Tell us more my elf. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.800 Okay, she continues with Over the years, I've become weepy 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.440 when I remember my strong resistance to returning. Maybe the 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.760 source of my tears is rooted in guilt that my 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.640 reluctance to return to my earthly body represents the betrayal 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:56.760 of my loved ones, preferring the yellow pudding place. I 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.840 love her so much and we need to meet her. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.080 Prefer at least we have a hint into the flavor 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:03.200 now yellow pudding? 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.400 Yeah, yellow, right? Which is I think just vanilla or 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:10.480 banana banana or banana banana's good yellow pudding place to 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.120 a continued life with them. Or maybe the weepiness is 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.760 simply longing for that piece of that other home. I 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:23.560 felt right, yeah, when I finally did return to my body, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.920 inexplicit inexplicitly, will you say that word? 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:28.200 Inexplicitly? 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.239 That too? I felt no pain. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:31.600 It. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.360 It took me a while to process that we'd been 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.880 in an accident and that I was starting at the 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:44.360 crushed interior of our once sturdy Volvo. I saw crooked 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.600 headlights from the other vehicles shining into the interior of 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:52.920 our car at a disturbing ankle, surreal light illuminating tiny 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.200 glimmering particles in front of me. Maybe they were parts 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.960 of the deployed airbag, or maybe a substance emanating from 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:06.480 the engine outside the car. Smoke or steam filled the air, 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.800 I don't know which. I saw the dark shape of 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.320 a person with long hair running past the front of 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.160 our car, waving his hands and yelling. Later I found 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.880 out this was the driver of the other vehicle. I 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.360 looked beside me to see Bruce with blood covered his 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.000 covering his pale face. He seemed to be speaking, but 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:28.720 I couldn't understand his words. That's when he was yelling. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.680 Yeah. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.480 My next memory is of a man opening the passenger 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.360 door and talking to me. To this day, I can 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:43.280 picture him clearly in his forties, curly hair with a 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:48.040 receding hairline, button down dressed shirt, and no tie. He 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.320 looked like a guy you'd find working behind a desk 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.240 in some office. He said, I'm going to release your 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.480 seat belt, but I don't want to move you unless 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.480 the engine catches fire. I will stay with you until 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.720 the ambulance and s arrives. Then the man knelt outside. 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.280 The man knelt outside the car and held my hand 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.960 until the emergency technicians showed up and strapped me into 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:11.480 a gurney. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.520 Oh my god, I get chills everywhere. Oh just wait, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.440 this guy must have been medically trained. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:25.200 Oh wait, long after the crack uh or or or or. 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.960 Long after the crash, while we were comparing notes, Bruce 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.240 told me he had no memory of the man and 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.920 said he never saw anyone except the EMT's arriving. After 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.520 hearing this, I wanted to track down emergency personnel at 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.320 the scene to both verify the existence of the guy 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.920 and see if anyone took his name so I could 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.160 thank him. But we were never able to find any witness. 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:54.080 Ye Mike drop right, Mike Nils yep, those angels yep. 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.120 I wound up with deep bruising on my ribs for months. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.440 Every time I breathed, I felt as if my chest 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.680 were encased in barbed wire. Ough she went from putting 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:09.159 to barbed wire. That is definitely done. I'd want to 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.360 sit on the other side too. I went through months 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:14.880 of therapy to reduce the large heemotoma that lay over 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.000 my heart. I've often wondered if my mother's sturdy Chesterfield 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.960 coat saved my life that day. Once again, except to Bruce, 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.560 I made no mention of those other worldly experiences at 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.840 the accident's site. I wanted to protect my immediate family 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.800 from knowing how close I'd come to death, so I 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.080 didn't mention details to them. In the weeks following the crash, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.040 I said nothing about my NDE to friends, still ensure 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.360 of how to name and frame my experience. I am 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.880 naturally a skeptical person. My former work as the co 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.200 director of a research and resource center in the Department 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.400 of Maternal and Child Hair, I said child hair child 0:18:53.520 --> 0:19:00.320 health at Dartmouth Medical School required me to think pragmatically, hair, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.679 that's funny. I want to be funny to like, here's 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:12.440 the child hair health building. Nice. That wasn't okay? I 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.760 think pragmatically. That wasn't a stretch because it's how I'm wired. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.560 Back in New Testament days, I'm sure I would have 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.639 been just like Thomas insisting that I touched the wounds 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.280 of Jesus before I could believe he came back from 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.960 the dead. I don't know that story, but cool. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.679 But that's where we get the phrase doubting Thomas. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.840 Oh, thank you, I've learned something new today. 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:36.160 That's a thing. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.720 That's a good one. Uh. It took me having It 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.200 took me having two NDEs to make me believe they exist. 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.160 Would I have been convinced if I had hadn't experienced them. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.880 My guess is No. I don't know if everyone needs 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.680 to have an NDA NDA. Nobody needs to have an NDA. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.840 Good grief, y'all. This is part of the comedy, h 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.920 I don't know if everybody needs to have an NDE 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.480 to fully understand them. I just know. 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.840 But that is why she she had too, that is why. 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:14.960 That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Yeah. So what does 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.639 a I have to see it to believe to believe 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:22.520 it person do with experiencing two indes? They didn't fit 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.240 into my idea of how the world works. I kept 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.680 quiet about them until two years ago when a friend 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.640 lent me a book about indes written by a physician 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:35.080 and researcher at the University of Virginia. So footnote about 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:39.560 uv A. They not only have all these cases about NDEs, 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:44.520 but they also have a lot of cases of kids, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:50.080 you know, coming in, like reincarnation stories, children reincarnation stories. 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.000 So you uv A is a very interesting school to me. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:55.960 We may need to go visit, she goes. After I 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.720 read the book, I checked out several other studies on 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.560 the topic. I felt both and comforted when I realized 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.920 that so many of the accounts and scientific literature matched 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:08.359 my experiences. Having a name for what I went through 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.800 and knowing that many people shared similar experiences has made 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:16.720 me more willing to tell people about my NDEs. Should 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.600 we take another quick break or is that too fast? Yeah, 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.760 let's take it quickie, And then I think there's a 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:23.320 little bit more to say than I think we should 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.919 kind of talk a little bit about it, because yeah, 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.480 break it up, we'll be right back, y'all. 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.639 And welcome back, all right myself? So how does she 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:42.040 end up being able to hold this information? 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:48.040 This is actually the part that I so deeply love about. Well, 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:49.960 all of it's really fascinating. I'm sorry she had to 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:51.600 go through what should but this is a part that 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:56.360 I deeply love about. Her story is and there's more 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:57.720 to this, but this is where we're just going to 0:21:57.800 --> 0:21:59.320 end it, so we can chit chat a little bit. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:04.119 But she says, I hesitate to draw any firm conclusions 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.959 about my NDEs. I know that an experience in the 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:12.600 past doesn't guarantee how a future experience will transpire. However, 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.359 I am reassured that I felt no emotional distress or 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.439 physical pain either time. Whether it's rational or not, I 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:24.720 don't dread my precise moment of death. 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:28.800 Yep, I'm going to. 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.240 Leave it at that because I think this is there's again, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.080 there's there's more, and I think I told you all 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.440 what the article's name is. But there's so much more 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:38.320 to read, and there's other stories that I would love 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:40.959 for us to keep bringing back and sharing. But what 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:44.760 I think is so fascinating from any first account stories, 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.760 whether it was Mona telling me about her her first 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.639 and well she couldn't tell about a second one in 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.200 human form because that one took her out. But her 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:54.200 first MDE when. 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:58.240 Which my death definition which no, no, you're right. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.560 Now, just full on jump. The other one she jumped 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:04.800 and tripped. Then she just like jumped without tripping. But 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:09.320 you know, similarities were For one is Mona talked about 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:11.280 how she was in the corner of the room and 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.680 she saw herself like so they're like there's a bystander 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:19.359 factor right without the emotions things about it. She saw 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:22.320 her head on the top of her head open up 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.680 from a hinge and she saw this gold liquid pouring 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.840 into it. Right, she saw this woman had yellow pudding, 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:35.879 which is amazing gold don't putting something there. But you know, 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:39.280 Monda didn't fear death you know she had. And then 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:43.919 other accounts, whether it was Anita Moore, Johnny or other 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.960 people I've read, or Danny Brinkley, Danny and Brinkley. It's 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:52.160 like all of those stories and thousands I've read, not thousands, hundreds, 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.920 maybe they've read in different snippets. Everybody ends the same way, 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:58.960 which is, I am no longer afraid. I know that 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:00.800 something bigger, and. 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.479 Even coming back is you know the guilt she felt. 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.320 Instead of like having it be guilt, just be like, Okay, 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.760 I'm back and I know I won't be here forever. 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.119 Like that's usually one of the things they're clear about. 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:14.720 I'm coming back for a purpose, I'm coming back for 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.440 a season, and I'm going to be all in, even 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.800 though every day I can't wait to be reunited in 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:25.720 my spirit form, right. I mean, there's usually that element 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.240 of you know, I'm ready anytime, and I'm willing to 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.560 go back because there's usually often not always that there's 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:36.600