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Speaker 1: And it's just it. You know, I'm not asking anybody

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Speaker 1: to be extra sympathetic for people who are, you know,

431
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: financially doing just fine in a time where ten million

432
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: people are filing for UM for unemployment benefits. But I

433
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Speaker 1: just I think that it'll be really really interesting to

434
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Speaker 1: see what comes of UM the coaching profession and how

435
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: this shapes some people. Um, yeah, it's just it's it's

436
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: it's a really really interesting time for these folks who

437
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: would be out on the road right now, who would

438
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: be UM hosting visitors, who would be together coming up

439
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: with plans, who would actually get to work with the

440
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: players on campus. A lot of these people haven't even

441
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: had a chance to meet the players that they're going

442
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: to be coaching yet. Yeah oh yeah yeah, well like yeah,

443
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: like the uh like how like Colorado's coach they call

444
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: Carl Dureau, he hasn't even had a chance to meet

445
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: his players. Have you had a chance to meet them? So? Yeah,

446
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: So how do you build chemistry? How do you build rapport?

447
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: How do you build a culture? Because you got the

448
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 1: same culture that was left there by umm. And granted

449
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: that may not be a bad thing, but you don't

450
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: get a chance to put your stamp, your mark, your

451
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: imprint on your team. So I think that that the

452
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: college football season, if it does happen, that teams are

453
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: gonna be flying blind a little bit because spring ball,

454
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: like there there has been a spring ball in equity.

455
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you really think about it, there have

456
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Speaker 1: been some schools that have had a lot of spring ball.

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Speaker 1: You you know, some of the like Arizona State, they've

458
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of spring ball. Then you have schools

459
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: like USC Washington one practice no practice. It's it's tough.

460
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: It's tough, and and I guess the especially if you're

461
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: breaking in a new quarterback. Yep, oh yeah yeah. So

462
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Speaker 1: what do you what do you think that, um, how

463
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Speaker 1: do you think that they should handle this when it

464
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Speaker 1: comes back? Do you think that they should be able

465
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Speaker 1: to get their spring practices back, I mean to make

466
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Speaker 1: it even or do you think that they should just

467
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, leave it how it is? Because Arizona State

468
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: started February, they completed, completed two weeks, they had a

469
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Speaker 1: bunch of practices. They have already had um uh, seven

470
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Speaker 1: practices before the shut down. Oregon State had five, Utah

471
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: had three, USC had one, and Colorado, Washington and Washington

472
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: State never even got on the field. And they all

473
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Speaker 1: have new coaches. So how do you balance that outof um,

474
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: knowing the n C Double A, it's gonna be sorry,

475
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: not sorry. Uh and and we just moved forward. But

476
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: knowing college coaches, they're gonna push for equity. That's that

477
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: they're they're obsessed with fairness and hey, they got theirs,

478
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: I need to get mine, and they want time with

479
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: their players, and they want to be able to practice UM.

480
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: But it has to fit within n C Double A rules, right.

481
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: You can't you can't say, hey, that twenty hours a

482
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: week that you're allowed to have them gets bumped up

483
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: to twenty seven hours a week over the course of

484
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: a three or four week period so that we can

485
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: make up for it because they still have to do

486
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: school as well. So you know, something something has to give.

487
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: Because I don't see Washington, I don't see Washington State.

488
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't see these schools saying that it's okay that

489
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: they didn't get that time that other people got UM

490
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: with with their players, you know. And and the Arizona

491
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: State gets to kind of just sit back and, um,

492
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: they're playing with money right now. Yeah, And at the

493
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: same time, you know it, that's they needed it. They're

494
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: switching from a three three five to a four three

495
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: bay defense, um, and they got what four new offensive

496
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: linemen to to break in and a new running back

497
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: and a new primary receivers. So they need it, they

498
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: really need it. And they were able to get some

499
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: of those practices in. And I don't I don't think

500
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Speaker 1: it's going to be the difference between you know, winning games,

501
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: um or anything like that. But if it's a game

502
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: of inches, if it's a game of inches, then if

503
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: somebody does end up losing, you know what's gonna stop

504
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: them from turning around and saying, well, hey, but they

505
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: had seven more practices than us, so this this wasn't

506
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Speaker 1: actually fair. Um. You know, I think by the time

507
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Speaker 1: you get into Pack twelve play you will have had

508
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: that time to gel as a team at that I

509
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Speaker 1: just I don't think it matters when it comes to

510
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Speaker 1: squaring up against other other Pack twelve teams, because then

511
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: you're already two months into the season. Everybody's already in

512
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Speaker 1: game shape. And if you're going to be on the

513
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: same page or not, it will have happened by that time.

514
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Speaker 1: So I don't I don't see there being real extreme advantage.

515
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Speaker 1: But some of these teams are going up against some

516
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Speaker 1: powerhouses early in the season that are at a conference,

517
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: and they need that right then, and as crazy man,

518
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: right now, seriously, I don't know. I think that it

519
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: takes a while to to get warmed up. Um, but

520
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: once you're warm, you're warm, right, I don't. I don't

521
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Speaker 1: think that the number of practices that they're missing in

522
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Speaker 1: the spring is gonna make a difference in November. I

523
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Speaker 1: think that it will be more evident in August. Oh okay,

524
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Speaker 1: see now that I agree with you on. Now that

525
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Speaker 1: I do agree with you on. But the problem is

526
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Speaker 1: where where? Where I see it is obviously, like you mentioned,

527
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: great point, the big matchups you got Washington, UM, Washington, Michigan,

528
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: Oregon at Ohio State like Alabama USC, huge matchups in

529
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. The problem is this, as

530
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Speaker 1: I see it, spring ball is where you see a

531
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Speaker 1: lot of really good talent emerge. Like there's always every team,

532
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: there's one or two kids that you're like, oh wow,

533
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: where where did he come from? I don't think he

534
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: was gonna start, and they get those reps, they get

535
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: a chance to get better. I mean, that's how the

536
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Brady Breezes happened, or other walk or walk ons. That's

537
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 1: where they earn their money, earned their scholarships, and earn

538
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: their playing time. And to come into the fall whoa

539
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: like and coaches are gonna want to hit, They're gonna

540
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: want to tackle there. I mean, I think it's gonna

541
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: put a premium on good coaching because you're gonna have

542
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: to be able to teach without being on the field

543
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: as much because you've you've lost a lot of your

544
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: teaching time. So now teaching has to be more paramount

545
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: than even your on field time. So you gotta get

546
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: kids focused to buy in and be concise in and

547
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: clear on your messaging and on your expectations and conveying

548
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: your scheme. So I think the good coaches will excel.

549
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: But I can see a scenario where if things get

550
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: pushed back like way deep into like kind of midsummer,

551
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: even where they can't do springball, where they got to

552
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: just go into camp, that you could have chaos this

553
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: college football season because teams aren't gonna be be ready

554
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: in the beginning, So you're gonna have losses at the beginning.

555
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean from top teams. I think that that some

556
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: of them aren't gonna play well on some weeks. It's

557
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: gonna throw everybody off. And you could have like three

558
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: three lost teams in the in the top ten. It's

559
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: like by like or you know, or two lost teams

560
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: in the in the middle of October. I think this

561
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: could be chaos, dude, or the exact opposite could happen.

562
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: And because you're talking about you're talking about coaching overcoming talent,

563
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: and I think that that happens with more time to prepare.

564
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: So you might actually see some of these teams that

565
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: have recruited well the last couple of years, if everybody's

566
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: on an equal playing field of not being able to

567
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: prepare the way that they want to prepare, you might

568
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: see the teams that are just more talented come out

569
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: and jack stomp everybody else. I mean that that's the

570
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: other side of this is if battles are one in preparation,

571
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: and you can overcome talent with preparation, a lack of

572
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: preparation is possibly going to give the advantage to talent.

573
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Speaker 1: So you you might see these teams that have just

574
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: stockpiled monsters over the last three years go out there

575
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: and have a much larger advantage, uh over some teams

576
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: that would traditionally be able to scheme their way into

577
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: some of these games and steal some wins. But here's

578
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: my question, how do you think it's going to affect

579
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Speaker 1: a guy like Anthony Brown who was a three year

580
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: starter at Boston College has decided to grad transfer the

581
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: University of Oregon and was hoping to get a fair

582
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: shape to to take down Tyler Schuck, which I've said

583
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: on this podcast that no matter who comes in there,

584
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen for them. But you might have

585
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: a different mindset on this. You know that's that you're

586
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: you're you're an alumni. You you want them to be

587
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: in the best possible position, regardless of who's playing whatever position.

588
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a bias knowing Tyler

589
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: and his family and watching him play over time. And

590
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown is a good player. He went fourteen and

591
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: eleven at a school that doesn't win all that much,

592
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: and he's got a lot of experience, but he's not

593
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: able to go out there as a grad transfer in

594
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: jail with this, with this team that all has a

595
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: relationship and has chemistry with with Tyler, do you think

596
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Speaker 1: that this ends up putting him at even more of

597
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: a disadvantage. I think for Anthony Brown, I think that

598
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: this sucks. I think that he was getting ready to

599
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: grab transfer like a bunch of other kids, and now

600
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: everything is shut down so they can't go on visits,

601
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: they can't make quality choices, and now he got an

602
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: opportunity at Oregon, and he's like, I should probably take

603
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: that one. And granted he doesn't know anything about Schug.

604
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: He just knows what people have told her. He knows

605
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: that there's an open job and there's a guy who

606
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: hasn't played, and it's not like it's that there's the

607
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: hype surrounding him like it was like to attack of

608
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: Looa at Alabama. So he's like, oh, an opportunity and

609
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: I didn't and my options are limited because of the coronavirus.

610
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: So he took an opportunity. So I thought for him,

611
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: ultimately it may be a bad move because Shuck probably

612
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: is already in trench. He knows the system, all of this.

613
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: He played a little bit, but in Oregon's history, all

614
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: their all their transfers have played, have started. You gotta

615
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: kille Smith, but he turned out to be a high

616
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: draft pick. Vernon Davis and um and Dakodea proke up

617
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: even though he only started a couple of games and

618
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: Herbert started. So history sort of says it, but not really.

619
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: It's a different situation, different staff, all these things. And

620
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: so I think for Anthony Brown it sucks because he

621
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to make the best decision possible.

622
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: Because if you see after spring ball and you're like, oh,

623
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: this kid is clearly going to be the starter, then

624
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't go there. But for Oregon, I love

625
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: it because they didn't have a whole lot of depth

626
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: and experience in the room. So truthfully, whoever starts, it's

627
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a good option because that means that you

628
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: beat out a good player. Like if Anthony Brown starts,

629
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: then I'm like, okay, I don't, I don't. He's a

630
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: national championship caliber quarterback. But with their defense, you never know.

631
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: And if Shuck starts, that means you know that he

632
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: beat out a good player who started multiple seasons and

633
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: gotten better every year. That could prove like really really

634
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: good for Oregon. Yeah, and and maybe you know, honestly,

635
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: maybe this kid is just built different, you know, because

636
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: he was he was interviewed on his decision and he

637
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: just said, you know, there were no guarantees, and I

638
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: didn't want a program to tell me the starting job

639
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: was mine anyway, So he he just said that he

640
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: wants a chance to compete. You know, a lot of

641
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: people come out and say that, but not they don't

642
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: say things like the coaches never said anything about starting

643
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: because you and I both know. And this happened at

644
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: Arizona State when they brought in Blake Barnett from Alabama

645
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: to try to beat out Manny Wilkins. You know, Manny Wilkins.

646
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: I think the story was Manny Wilkins just went out

647
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: to eat at a restaurant um in Scottsdale, and then

648
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: he saw his offensive staff sitting with Blake Barnett, you know,

649
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: courting him, and he he had to walk up to

650
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: the table and say hi to everybody. Uh and and

651
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: that way he was getting that information from the first time.

652
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, those a s U coaches were saying, hey,

653
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: come in and take this job. We don't have a

654
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: lot of competence in in in Manny Wilkins, and that's

655
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: part of the reason that they won him over and

656
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: he was able to come out to UM to a

657
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: s U and then he ended up getting beat by

658
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Manny Wilkins. Anyway, but the this whole thing feels a

659
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: lot more like they told him the goal is national

660
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: championship and that he would have an opportunity to compete,

661
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: and he weighed that and said, you know, if I lose,

662
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: I lose. But I want to be around people who

663
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: who want to win. And I think I don't know,

664
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: I think that's a healthy and good mindset to have.

665
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: And plus, you know, you never know what what could happen.

666
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: You know, Herbert went down UM at one point. You're

667
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: always one hit away from from missing time. So I

668
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I think it's a good move for Oregon

669
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: if nothing else. Uh. They they kept quite a few

670
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: other schools from from having you know, depth at the

671
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: quarterback position, including you know, Georgia, Mississippi State, Colorado, Michigan State.

672
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: They were all after him as well. And it's always

673
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: fun to know that somebody messed over. The two coaches

674
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: that that that left the back twelve in melt Tucker

675
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: and Mike Leach. And speaking of Mike Leach, how about

676
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: our boy with with Downtown on Twitter again? Oh so okay,

677
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: So for you guys that don't don't know, Ralph explained

678
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: to him what what what he did with the picture

679
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: of the news right? Yeah? He um, you know, he

680
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: he's basically just become like a It's like he just

681
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: discovered four chain or something. He's getting memes from all

682
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: of the internet and posting them on Twitter. It's good

683
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: fun for a lot of people who don't take things

684
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: too seriously. But he has gotten himself in trouble before.

685
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: We criticized him pretty heavily for trashing the state of

686
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: California and that's where he gets half his players from

687
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: while at while at Washington State, you know, basically calling

688
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: it a dump and stuff. And then he made his

689
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: entire team get off social media because he said it

690
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: was a distraction for them. You know. Meanwhile, he's the

691
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: one that's constantly providing distractions um and and getting questions

692
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: on you know, whether he has any sense or not.

693
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: He goes out to Mississippi State and he tweets what

694
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: is what is on its surface? Um? To anybody who

695
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have any cultural attachment to the image of of

696
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: a noose. Uh, something that might have been kind of

697
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: humorous and like a woman that was like knitting a

698
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: noose because she had to spend so much downtime around

699
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: her husband, um, because of the coronavirus. But it was

700
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: his own players that were like, what in the hell, Like,

701
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: this isn't he hanging people in the South? Isn't funny?

702
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: He you are in the state of Mississippi. This is

703
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: not Washington. Mississippi there were still they're still lynchings, and

704
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: going all up into the nineties, they still would would

705
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: find people list they were I think the last state

706
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: too to according to their state laws, abolished slavery literally

707
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: like within the last decade. So you're like, come on,

708
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: come on, bro, come on, like you he's too smart

709
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: to not realize the temperature in the room, because that's

710
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: absolutely terrible. Uh. Speaking of terrible, though, I got a

711
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: headline for you, Ralph, tell me what your first reaction

712
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: to this is. Yeah. Pac twelve announces pay cuts, layoffs,

713
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: and strategy shifts in the age of coronavirus. So we

714
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: already talked about Larry Scott. Yeah, but uh, and then

715
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: there's the temper cent cuts for the members of his

716
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: senior staff that make at least five hundred thousand dollars

717
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: a year. So, as part of a new strategic and

718
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: financial restructuring plan, they're gonna lay off, well, they're expected

719
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: to fire, will layoff over a dozen employees. Um. They said,

720
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the new strategic plan is designed to adapt our organization

721
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: to the fiscal realities of the very rapidly changing media

722
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: landscape and current financial pressures brought on by COVID nineteen

723
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: crisis and set us up for a future of success.

724
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: And the plan is a culmination of comprehensive process conducted

725
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: by Mark Shucking, the president of the networks, myself and

726
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: our leadership team, in close consultation with our members and

727
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: essential achieving it. It's essential for achieving our goals set

728
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: forth by our members. And uh, it's just um. He

729
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: goes on to say that they're gonna reduce the workforce

730
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: by about eight percent. That includes hiring freezes across the

731
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: conference and network divisions, studio shows canceled, all of this

732
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: stuff and all of that, And here's the what's your

733
00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: reaction to that? I mean, I just it's nice to

734
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: know that someone there is thinking of strategies. I just

735
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: you know, ah, I at least that's something that they

736
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: can control, you know, the cuts that they make internally,

737
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: because anything that they do that has to that involves

738
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: in negotiating with any other party. You know, we we

739
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: don't exactly have a history of success. Um. I don't know,

740
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm not in the building. I I

741
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it is that they are looking at,

742
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: um that that tells them that this is going to

743
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: be what keeps them solvent over time. I can tell

744
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: you that, you know, it might have been nice for

745
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: them if they were ultimately able to negotiate uh that

746
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: deal that they had set their sights on and having

747
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: a private equity investor. Maybe that was the red Harry,

748
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't happening. That was a lie. Yeah, But I

749
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: mean if they if they had that cash on hand,

750
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: maybe people wouldn't be losing their jobs and and and

751
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: taking pay cuts right now, or or maybe that those

752
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: cuts would be even more ruthless because you have outside,

753
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: more business minded people that are actually policing what you

754
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: should be doing with your money. So, UM, I'm I'm

755
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm I'm really not sure. I all all

756
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: I know is that I don't. I don't have the

757
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: experience that they have. And I can criticize Larry Scott

758
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: um all day long for his leadership. And I've often

759
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: told you on this podcast, uh that one of the

760
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: reasons that I'm not okay with with Larry Scott being

761
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: the head of the conference is I should never feel

762
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: like I could do an equally poor job, right Like,

763
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: I I know that if I was in that job,

764
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: I do not have the experience that would result in

765
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: me being a say, successful Pack twelve commissioner, um. But

766
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: I should never feel like I could at least do

767
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: as poorly as Larry Scott is doing right, So like

768
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: like there's no way I can do worse than him.

769
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that's how I look at any position

770
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: of leadership. If I see somebody in a position of

771
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: leadership and I know that I would be completely incapable

772
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: of doing that job, I should never feel like I'm

773
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: on the same level as the person who does have

774
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: that job. Nobody should be at my level of incompetence.

775
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: That's always been my standard for criticizing other people in

776
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: positions of leadership is, oh my god, I could have

777
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: done that poorly. You know, and so, uh, I don't

778
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: know what it is that they're looking at, and I'm

779
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm not inside. I know that I've personally feel like

780
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: this is something that I would probably screw up and UM,

781
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: and all I can do right now is just trust

782
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: that they have better information and than I do and

783
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: are are making choices that hopefully UM keep some people

784
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: in their positions. Because that's really the only thing I

785
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: care about right now is you know, there are people

786
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: who work under Larry Scott to keep this whole circus going,

787
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: and they work very earnestly, and they work very hard,

788
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: and they provide uh service for us that allows us

789
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: to talk about the things that are going on in

790
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: this conference. And I don't think that they're UM efforts

791
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: should get lost in the mix. And they have to

792
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: be experiencing a ton of anxiety right now on whether

793
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: or not UM there's even gonna be something there for

794
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: for them to do whatever they can do to keep

795
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: people in place, save their jobs and allow them to

796
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: feed their families. UM is something that that that I'm

797
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: all for. But at the end of the day, I

798
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: just don't know what it is they're looking at. I

799
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: don't know what their projections are I don't know, you know,

800
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: what they're expecting as far as an overall dip UH

801
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: in revenue. And a lot of these people who are

802
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: experiencing this anxiety are also dependent on Larry Scotts to

803
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: go out and do his job. And if he hasn't

804
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: been able to build up this network and to to

805
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: a point of health, that would have made their lives easier.

806
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: To this point, I'm not sure that they can have

807
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: confidence in him to steer the ship, you know, when

808
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: things are actually really getting stormy. But we have no

809
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: choice but to find out what's going to happen with

810
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: him at the helm. I love what you said about

811
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: the level of incompetence. It's it's almost like a winds

812
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: above replacement model where you're like, okay, what is what

813
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: is Larry Scott's winds above replacement in terms of just

814
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: an average of of an average commissioner or even an

815
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: average educated person. I mean, it's the reason, it's the

816
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: reason people hate called third strikes right because I'm I

817
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: I could have stood up there and not selling the

818
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: bat and walked back like try at least, you know,

819
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: if if if it's within the box, take a swing.

820
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Nobody likes to really feel like they are like that

821
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: they could screw things up, you know, in in the

822
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: same at the same level that the people who were

823
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: in charge are UM are doing it. And I just

824
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: think that, bro, I'm still in honest. So you're gonna

825
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: hear me one day on on an interview saying this

826
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: like it's like it it's my own, Like I came

827
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: up with this, and I may give you credit, I

828
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: may not. I'm just don't like you right right now.

829
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: This was this was very smart, UM, But Larry's Gott

830
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: went on to say, given the financial pressures on the campuses,

831
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: increasing the surplus for the network became a higher priority,

832
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: and that we recognize that cable and satellite subscription base

833
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: keeps decreasing m hm. So there would be financial pressures

834
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: on the network under any circumstances. So while while all

835
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: the points that you may their vallot, I take it

836
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: even backwards. I granted you, you can't always go back

837
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: and fix stuff in the past, but you can learn

838
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: from the past to make better decisions for the future.

839
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: Here is my problem. You're laying off twelve people or

840
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: potentially more. Larry scott salary is five point three million

841
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: dollars if he had a regular ass salary. You wouldn't

842
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: need to do that if you weren't paying by far

843
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: and absorbing it rent in one of the in the

844
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: like either the highest or second highest either New York

845
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: and San Francisco real estate market in the entire country,

846
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: and you're right in the city stupidly, like, what kind

847
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: of sense does that make? Like you're paying this absorbing

848
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: a rent ridiculous salaries and then you gotta lay off

849
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: people talking about you're not being fiscally responsible. No, those

850
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: things are what aren't fiscally responsible. So you're actually gonna

851
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: have hard working people probably making less than a hundred

852
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: thousand dollars fired, laid off because you say you have

853
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: to be fiscally responsible. Why don't you move the headquarters

854
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: to somewhere that is fiscally responsible. Why don't you pay

855
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: the commissioner a reasonable salary commensurate with his level in

856
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: college football, commensurate with the other commissioners, and not try

857
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: to have him do two jobs when he can't do

858
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 1: two jobs. He can't do one job, right, Yeah, I mean, well,

859
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: what we could be seeing here is we could ultimately

860
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: be seeing a market correction. Right, like living large is

861
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: a liability, living large is a luxury. And think about

862
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: think about those bears that are up in Alaska that

863
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: can just depend in the salmon run right to go

864
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: and be able to gorge themselves so that they can hibernate.

865
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 1: What if you know what if one year those salmon

866
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: don't come, then that change that changes everything, right, Like

867
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: they all of a sudden you have you have to

868
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: scramble for resources in order to just be able to live. No,

869
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: don't worry about living your life the way that you

870
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: live your life, right, And that's so the Larry Scott

871
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: makes over five million dollars a year, they pay over

872
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 1: four million dollars a year in rent. Well, all of

873
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: a sudden, those salmon that they didn't show up, they

874
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: didn't show up this year, and so that fall. That's

875
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: it's much more dramatic than if you were just living

876
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: fiscally responsible in the first place. You know, I always

877
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: think of um, I always think of a line from

878
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure which Batman movie it was, but

879
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: it's the one that had Anne Hathaway in it as

880
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: Catwoman and she's dancing with Bruce Wayne and she says,

881
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: there's a storm coming, Mr Wayne, and you and your

882
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: friends are gonna wonder how you lived so large for

883
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: so long and left so little for the rest of us.

884
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: Right any time that there is any type of adversity, Uh,

885
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: there are definitely people all over the financial spectrum who

886
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: are going to suffer. But no one falls as far

887
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: and as hard as the people who's you know, who

888
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: were living as large as they were. You know, there

889
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: are people that are hand to mouth right now that

890
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: this economic anxiety that everybody is experiencing, that's their daily life, right,

891
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: that is there, that is their daily life. Um, but

892
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: there's definitely gonna be people that that that were new

893
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 1: to it are are that are new to it. And

894
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, if this goes on for longer, it gets

895
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: even worse than it is. You think about it. Larry

896
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: Scott is making a two and seventy dollar sacrifice to

897
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: his massive salary. Meanwhile other people are completely losing their

898
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: jobs altogether. He really hasn't taken the brunt of any

899
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: of this yet. He has done a really good job

900
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: of sort of insulating himself and protecting himself. You know,

901
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: it's the other people whose shoulders he sits upon that

902
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: are falling away, and at some point he's going to

903
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: realize he was dependent upon those people for the protections

904
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: that he is afforded. Eventually it's going to get to

905
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: him too. And so, you know, you would like to

906
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: believe that you would have somebody in a position of

907
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: leadership that understands that everybody needs that cushion, not just you.

908
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like, for the most part, this guy

909
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: has done the absolute best job of looking out for himself.

910
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: And uh and and not a whole lot of other people. Yeah.

911
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: The University of UM Michigan, I'm sorry, yeah, sorry, The

912
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: University of Minnesota, the regents they met, they met and

913
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: discussed the impact of COVID nineteen on the institutions, and

914
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: they said that Gopher Athletics could lose between ten million

915
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: to seventy five million dollars depending on what happens with COVID,

916
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: Like through the best case scenario through spring, they'll lose

917
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: ten million dollars from tickets, n C, double A, and

918
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 1: TV contributions, all this stuff, because the teams get paid

919
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: out one point three million from they would have gotten

920
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: one point three from March Madness plus how deep people go.

921
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: Then there's you know, other revenues that come in moderate.

922
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: If it goes into summer thirty million, into fall seventy

923
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: five million, because because they're already gonna lose uh, like

924
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: tuition money. There's they're not gonna lose any tuition money

925
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: through the spring, but summer lose tuition money fall. Then

926
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: there's housing, athletics, investment earnings, study abroad fees, event cancelation,

927
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: clinical income. Dude, they're so like schools could be like

928
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: financially devastated if there if this dragged on into summer

929
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: and also the fall, the fall would be a and

930
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: unmitigated disaster. So it is important to get everything together

931
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: and take take your medicine. Now, think about I just

932
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: think about how many more opportunities for Mike Leach to

933
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: make serious mistakes there will be if this drags on

934
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: into the into the center of Did you see your hands?

935
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: Did you see that he's lost players over this? Are

936
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: you serious? Yeah? Two of his players have entered the

937
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: transfer portal over his tweets. Wow, two of them. Uh.

938
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 1: Fabian Lovett, who was one of the people who quote

939
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: tweeted in the in the beginning and just wrote wtf

940
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: his dad said that's one of the reasons that he's

941
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: he's bouncing, And he announced that he was going to

942
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: enter the transfer portal the very next day. And then

943
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: Brevin Jones, who is one of their better UH recruits

944
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: I believe has a bunch of eligibility left. Um, he's

945
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: moving on as well. You know he was he was

946
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: only a three star offensive tackle, but he was one

947
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: of those guys six five to sixty, great frame. Um,

948
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: And he's already heard from everybody, right because everybody's in

949
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: need of offensive linemen. So if this goes into the

950
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: summer of the fall, Mike Leach might chase half the roster.

951
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: That would be insane. But the but the problem is

952
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: don't really a lot of them don't really have a

953
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: lot of places to go, which brings us to the

954
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: high school kids. High school kids are being impacted and

955
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: so are collegests. So a lot of people don't always

956
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: know that how big of a deal A C T

957
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: and S A T scores factor into it, because if

958
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: you don't have qualifying scores, you you you gotta go

959
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: to DUCO. But there are a fair number of kids,

960
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: not not a lot, especially not the ones who who

961
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: signed in the winter because pretty much all of those

962
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: kids are qualifiers. But the kids who signed in the spring,

963
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: some of them are on the cusp of qualifying, so

964
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 1: they needed S A T or a c T scores

965
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: and they had another four or five times to take

966
01:01:53,640 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: the test between between like February and when when school

967
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 1: got out May June, another four or five times. Now

968
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: all of those are wiped out, vanished. You sees have

969
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: already said that they're not taking U S A T

970
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: scores or a c T scores, factoring that in for

971
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: fall applications so that maybe, you know, make room for

972
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: kids who either took it or um or like we

973
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: talked about like cal and U C l A may

974
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: be able to get different kids in the program. And

975
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: Gerald's gonna talk about that and speak to that too

976
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: in a few minutes. But that's crazy, Like what do

977
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: these high school kids like, because there's no way the

978
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: n C double A gets all of this right, Ralph.

979
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: There's no way they get the the UH seniors getting

980
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: the extra year of eligibility, getting the scholarship counts right,

981
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: getting these high school players right, getting the money. I mean, like,

982
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: there's no way an institution who regularly does things to

983
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: kick athletes in the balls. Get all of these things right? Well,

984
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: think about this. Think about all the people who have

985
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: filed appeals for health reasons of saying like, hey, my

986
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: dad has a heart condition, I want to play closer

987
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: to home, and the n C double A has said, oh,

988
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: well you have to sit out of here. It doesn't

989
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: matter to us. What are you gonna do when you

990
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: have an influx of a hundred and fifty extra um

991
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: student athletes who say, Hey, my family has been adversely

992
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: affected by coronavirus, I want to play closer to home.

993
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: Do you treat them like you treated the people whose

994
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: parents had heart conditions and cancer or all of a

995
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: sudden because this disease is something new and different, do

996
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: you have to approve everybody across the board? Maybe? Does

997
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: it build in a little bit extra compassion for when

998
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: people are dealing with family health issues. That's a that's

999
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: a legit point. I mean, yeah, how do you handle

1000
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these waivers? Do you just blanketly approve

1001
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: them because you don't have time to to like, you know,

1002
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: where you have the right to a speedy trial in

1003
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: real life, you have a right to like there are

1004
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: by laws about how long and rules about how long

1005
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: appeals can take all of this, so they have to

1006
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,479
Speaker 1: be done in a timely fashion. So it's a matter

1007
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: of all, right, like, how do you take care of

1008
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: all this how do you take care of all of

1009
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: this remotely? How do you get lawyers? And I mean,

1010
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: there's so much stuff that affects it, and there's no

1011
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: way the n C double A gets all of this right.

1012
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: It's it's it would be hard for um, you know,

1013
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 1: for Solomon to get them all right. So I would

1014
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: say that I would say this, they need to look

1015
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: back at the era of of Katrina and a lot

1016
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: of the exceptions that were made for UM, hundreds and

1017
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of high school level student athletes, of

1018
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 1: of helping them reacclimate into different areas. UM issues of

1019
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: domicile were up in the air. There was all sorts

1020
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: of nonsense that was going on, and any exception that

1021
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: was made for any of those kids at that time,

1022
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: you have to go back and and and look at

1023
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: the fact that the world didn't stop turning, that football

1024
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: didn't and you know, I I remember very vividly back

1025
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: then of you know, some people would they'd have some

1026
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: sort of outcry of Ah, Timmy moved into our district

1027
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Um, you know, there's a

1028
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: there's uh six ft six wide receiver at this high school. Um,

1029
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: that's only there because of Katrina. What did this high

1030
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: school do to get them in there? And there'll be

1031
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: people saying, you know, this is unfair, this is unfair,

1032
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: and people would completely lose sight of the fact that, like, hey,

1033
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: Timmy had no intention of ever being at that school

1034
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: in the first place, and the only reason he's there

1035
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: is because his entire home washed away. So just get

1036
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: over it, right, And so we're probably gonna have to

1037
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: get to that point where we're callous with some of

1038
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: the people who want a bitch and wine and complain

1039
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: about some of the accommodyations that are made for some

1040
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: of these people because it will adversely benefit some people

1041
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 1: who they don't want to have a benefit, right and so,

1042
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: But but those benefits happened in the course of trying

1043
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: to accommodate a large group of people, and the world

1044
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: didn't end. Nobody's life ended because you know, we we

1045
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 1: made exceptions and allowed for people to to settle in

1046
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: UM to certain places here or there while they were

1047
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: rebuilding their lives, and I think that you know, some

1048
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: people are going to try to take advantage of the

1049
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: n C double A in this time, because that's just

1050
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: human nature. Everybody is working um to be a lobbyist

1051
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: for their own self interest, and whatever exception you make

1052
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: for somebody else is an exception that somebody else is

1053
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: going to try to take advantage of. But the truth

1054
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: is you have to do a cost benefit analysis and

1055
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: say what can benefit the most people, what is most

1056
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: fair to the most amount of people. And I think

1057
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: that when it comes down to people's health and being

1058
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: around their family, you have to allow um for people

1059
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: to make those transitions. And if other people ultimately use

1060
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: it to their advantage to be able to play sooner

1061
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 1: closer to home, oh well, like that's that's the worst

1062
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: possible thing that that happened. Nobody's dying, no crimes are

1063
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: being committed. This isn't an issue of morality. It's an

1064
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: issue of fairness. And you're just gonna have to swallow

1065
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 1: that pill. You're gonna have to not think about what

1066
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: is and isn't fair for a while, because what is

1067
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: not fair is that there are people who are getting

1068
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: this disease and their entire lives are being upended. YEP,

1069
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 1: agree with you there. Um, what do you think about

1070
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: before we get to Gerald's interview? Lasting up? Um, you

1071
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 1: you were the one who informed me about this that

1072
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: uh Tyler Johnson from Arizona what's going on with him?

1073
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry from Arizona State? Uh yeah, UM. Tyler Johnson

1074
01:07:56,040 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: is a six foot for two hundred and six deep

1075
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: pound athlete who can run the forty and about UM

1076
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: four seven. He body wise, UM and skill set wise

1077
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: is probably the closest thing UM that Arizona State has

1078
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: had to uh Terrell sugs since he was UM, since

1079
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 1: he was out there playing in the Pac ten. Unfortunately,

1080
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: he has been very injury prone and it has kept

1081
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: him away from ever really being part of an off

1082
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: season program. UM. And he's somebody that I'm a little

1083
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: bit closer to. And he told me that when he

1084
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 1: saw her Edwards get a knee replacement, he looked at

1085
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: that and he was like, man, I do not want

1086
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: that to be me, and so he made up his mind. UM.

1087
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: And I think part of it was just playing in

1088
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: a three three five anyway and only getting about seven

1089
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: or eight reps of game all on third down just saying,

1090
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: go get the quarterback right, um. And so I think

1091
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: he looked at that and he said, you know, this

1092
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: isn't worth me having to change out my knees in

1093
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: my in my late fifties or least sixties. And so

1094
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 1: he just decided to medically retire. And the entire time,

1095
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: Antonio pierces like, I'm gonna get you back. I'm gonna

1096
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: get you back here. And Antonio Pierce was telling anybody

1097
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: who would listen that he was going to convince uh,

1098
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: Tyler Johnson to come out of medical retirement rejoin this team. Well,

1099
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, Marvin Lewis is running this

1100
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: defense and they're gonna have to transition to a four

1101
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 1: three and uh, and Tyler Johnson is no longer going

1102
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: to have to be a linebacker. They can just go

1103
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: and put him on the edge, um and and and

1104
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: have him be a permanent edge rusher. And so I

1105
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: think they they've been running that by him. Uh. And

1106
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: you know he's in a position where he did miss

1107
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: what they had of spring practice again, but he's just

1108
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: such a gifted, a naturally gifted athlete um that they

1109
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 1: they figure they'll find a way to make it work

1110
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: because they've been finding a way to make it work,

1111
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: even though he hasn't really done a full offseason workout

1112
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: program in his entire time at Arizona State anyway. So

1113
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: he has two years of eligibility left and they think

1114
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 1: that they can take him in those two years and

1115
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: turn him into a legit NFL prospect like his dad,

1116
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: Bill Johnson, who played for the Buffalo Bills, I believe,

1117
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: among others. Um and so, yeah, so that's that that

1118
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: that's the plan for him, and it'll be really interesting

1119
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: to see if it makes a difference because that's where

1120
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: Arizona State is the most thin, is on the defensive line,

1121
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: and he really is. He's a really special talent. I'm

1122
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: gonna send you his highlights from high school, George. He

1123
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: was there punter, punt returner, and kick returner at six

1124
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: four to sixty and they also played him at white out,

1125
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: linebacker and running back. Oh wow then, and most of

1126
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: his offers were for tight end, but he had never

1127
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: actually played tight end. Uh So when he when he

1128
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: ultimately got the offer from Arizona State to go in

1129
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 1: and play linebacker, that's what he decided to do. Um.

1130
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, that that'll be interesting for them, um, because

1131
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: you know that that if Arizona State has one hurdle

1132
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: to challenging, I believe USC for the PAC twelfth South,

1133
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 1: it is that defensive line. Um, because they're gonna be

1134
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: playing guys who played on the outside of a three

1135
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: three five, like Jermaine Lowlay. They're gonna be moving them

1136
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: inside and that that'll they'll be kind of undersized for

1137
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: uh for that in a in a four three And

1138
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: I can see some teams out there, you know, going

1139
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: out and trying to really um force the issue and

1140
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: run the ball on on a s U UM and

1141
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,719
Speaker 1: so to be to be able to fortify that defensive

1142
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 1: line is maybe the one thing that they can do too.

1143
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: I personally believe USC has one year left in them

1144
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: before they really fall off the cliff and uh and

1145
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 1: so if if a SU is going to challenge USC,

1146
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: they need a pass rush to do it. Yeah, it's

1147
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: a matter of I think what USC you're looking at.

1148
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: You know, as soon as Slovis has gone, you could

1149
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: have a problem. It's gonna be tough to be really

1150
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: bad when you have a really good quarterback like Slogs.

1151
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: So yes, So I think that they will be all right,

1152
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: but I do think that they are. You know that

1153
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: they are gonna be having diminishing returns, especially in two

1154
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: years when that when those when those back to back

1155
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 1: recruiting classes are expected to be starters or high impact players.

1156
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: That's gonna be tough because they're gonna be short on

1157
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: those for sure. UM Now at this time, UM, I

1158
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: was able to interview Gerald Alexander the other day. UM.

1159
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: He is the Miami Dolphins defensive backs coach. He he

1160
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: was the cow defensive backs coach. He's part of that

1161
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: Justin Wilcox staff that took and the worst defense in

1162
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: college football and made them into a very very stout

1163
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: and respectable defense that Washington kid couldn't score on. That

1164
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: Washington State had trouble with as well. They shut Mike

1165
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: Leach down as well. So uh and he talks to

1166
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: us about all sorts of sorts of things. Listen in

1167
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: we got coach Gerald Alexander in the building. Not only

1168
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 1: is he a coach, not only is he a former

1169
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: NFL player, but he also happens to be a friend

1170
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: of mine. You were able to get the Arkansas State

1171
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: undergrad assistant, then the Washington grad assistant and then you

1172
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: intern with Titans, the Buccaneers, like you said, and then

1173
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: we're the defensive back coach at Indiana State, then with

1174
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: the Montana State to cow and now with the Dolphins

1175
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: in ten years, well in less than ten years. So

1176
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: like that's a lot of moving around and you have

1177
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: a family, a growing family kids, Like how has that

1178
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: impacted your your family? And I know, for for me,

1179
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: I can never get into coach because I can't. I'm

1180
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: not willing to make that sacrifice. So what does it

1181
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: take to make that sacrifice? And how has it been

1182
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: for you? I think it takes a a great and

1183
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: understanding wife, you know, for um, all the things and

1184
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: the challenges because you know, fortunately I've been on kind

1185
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: of the better end of the moving and the picking

1186
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: up and and and being in a different area. I

1187
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: mean I have, UM, you know, there's there's two kind

1188
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: of coaches. There's the ones that are hired and the

1189
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: ones that are fired, you know, and I haven't. I

1190
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: haven't gotten into a situation where that was the case yet.

1191
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: But UM, I think with an understanding wife and the

1192
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: amount of time that we're away as football coaches, especially

1193
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: as college football coaches, just being on the road and

1194
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: recruiting and um doing all those things and and and

1195
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: making sure that home is home is still is still

1196
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 1: being held down, you know, especially with with us, UM

1197
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: and our family and and and the amount of kids

1198
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: we have and and what what my wife does with

1199
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 1: the kids and um, you know, and then one day saying, hey,

1200
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: this phone call just changed their life and we're picking

1201
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 1: up and moving, you know, and and and be good

1202
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: with that, you know, and just have an understanding of

1203
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: what's what's uh, what's to come and and and all

1204
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: of that. And so it's a you know, it's our life,

1205
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's our life. That that that we've accepted.

1206
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: We we we know what it is. And UM we

1207
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: understand and she understands the role that she plays. And

1208
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: you know, I just try to do the best that

1209
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: I can to support her, and obviously she does the same.

1210
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: How much. I guess as a man, as the wage earner,

1211
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: as the like, you have a high responsibility to make

1212
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: sure that you're not slacking off at work, that you're

1213
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: putting the best, like not only trying to win, but

1214
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: you got to try to win for your family too.

1215
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: So what is your ultimate motivators, like because I know

1216
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: that there's more than one. For you, being great at

1217
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: at your job, is that your family? Is it winning? Like,

1218
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: how do those things balance into each other? Well? I

1219
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,480
Speaker 1: think for me, man, it's it's really it's it's the process.

1220
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: You know. I want to be the best teacher that

1221
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: I can be. I want to be able to give

1222
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: the information, um to the players that's going to help

1223
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: them do the things that they are a will of

1224
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: doing and some and ultimately that results in winning. You know.

1225
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily thinking about winning as a result, because

1226
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 1: winning is a process. You know that before the scores

1227
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: are even lit up on the board. Um, there's so

1228
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: many things that go into the preparation that that leads

1229
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: to winning, you know. And so that's really my motivation.

1230
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's every coach is motivating.

1231
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody, but UM, I think that's

1232
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: my motivation, you know, And not necessarily you know, of

1233
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: course I'm motivated by my family, and UM, I want

1234
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: to do good by them, and I want to do

1235
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: good bye the people who are putting me in the

1236
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: responsibility to be able to develop a unit. Um. But

1237
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: for me, every day it comes down to being a

1238
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: great teacher, UM, a great motivator, and doing what I

1239
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: need to do to get the information to the guy

1240
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: so they can UM, so they can succeed on the field.

1241
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 1: And ultimately that would result into UH in two wins.

1242
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,959
Speaker 1: And even if you know, even if unfortunately we do UM,

1243
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: maybe everything right and and and it's from a preparation

1244
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 1: preparation standpoint, and you know, hey, we go out through

1245
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: competition and we don't win that game. UM being able

1246
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: to take that information that we got, whether it be

1247
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: from a win, win or loss, and then just try

1248
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: to improve on that and just just trying to improve

1249
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: every single day. And that takes care of itself in

1250
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: regards to everything else pick picture wise, whether it be

1251
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: the motivation of family, winning, UM and all the things

1252
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: that come into this business. Well, you talked about the preparation,

1253
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: doing all doing all the things the right way doesn't

1254
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: necessarily yield necessarily the results that you always want, but

1255
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: it's about the process. And I saw that a lot

1256
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: at Cow when you were the defensive backs coach at

1257
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: Cow and also under Justin Wilcox, who I played at

1258
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: the University of Oregon. And I love the way that

1259
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: you guys played. You guys played hard, no matter the adversity.

1260
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: And last year you guys were on a row what

1261
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: what what we guys four or five or five and old.

1262
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: Then Chase Garbage or quarterback, he goes down and and

1263
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: I thought, you guys want to lose every game after that,

1264
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,719
Speaker 1: But the team just kept fighting and eight and staying

1265
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: in games, and and then you had then Garbage was

1266
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: able to come back. You win something, get to a

1267
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: bowl game. I tell me about and tell the people

1268
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: about what it was like building Cow from what what

1269
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: you guys picked it up from, which was one of

1270
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: the worst defenses in the whole country or the worst

1271
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: defense in the whole country, to building it up to

1272
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: where you left it. I think it all started with

1273
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: the UH, the leadership, you know, and what what Justin

1274
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: wanted UM in regards to just everything that we've talked

1275
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: about from the very beginning, how he wanted the guys

1276
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 1: to play, UM, how he wanted them to work, the

1277
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: behaviors that he wanted to set within the culture UM

1278
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: and ultimately again that process was going to lead to

1279
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: UH the victories on the field, you know, and the

1280
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: belief you know, depending on UH no matter the circumstances, UH,

1281
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: being able to battle through adversity no matter what and

1282
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 1: and get the results that that we strive for and

1283
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: we worked for. And again they may not always necessarily

1284
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: be ideal situations that were dealing with obviously losing the

1285
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: starting quarterback, UM, you know, as you're going through you

1286
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: know at the time, and undefeated season, UM right before

1287
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: conference play. Really the thick of conference play. UM. You know,

1288
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: it's not ideal, but it's not It's also not an excuse,

1289
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: you know, and we know that you know, the next

1290
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: the next man has to has to step up, and

1291
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: we gotta pick up the slack and and and just

1292
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, seeing how those guys played, whether it be

1293
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: that year or the year prior or even the very

1294
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,600
Speaker 1: first year. You know, it was just building blocks on

1295
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: top of a long process. When you're trying to build

1296
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: a program, UM kind of win with the guys that

1297
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,799
Speaker 1: you basically accumulated through the first year and UM starting

1298
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: to set the trend and starting to set the culture

1299
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: for the guys that are gonna be returning over the

1300
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: course of time, as well as adding additional talent and

1301
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: really trying to get the thing rolling UM in the

1302
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: direction that you want to, and I look forward to

1303
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,759
Speaker 1: seeing how those guys are able to do um obviously

1304
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 1: post my departure, because I know how the thing was built. Well,

1305
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 1: you you have a lot of sayings that that you

1306
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: talk about, but I want to talk about where you

1307
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 1: said the that that you win with your guys and

1308
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So there are some coaches who believe

1309
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: that they recruit uh um our our kind of guys

1310
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,799
Speaker 1: and some guys did they recruit you no matter red flags,

1311
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 1: anything history, because these are high school students and all

1312
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: they want is talent. Like when you are a coach,

1313
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: how much do you think that that like that our

1314
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: kind of guy, that a certain type of kid who's

1315
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: good in school or or or perfect character this or that.

1316
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: Where do you where do you draw the balance and

1317
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: a kid that you ideally would would recruit with no

1318
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: like school limitations, Like it's different a kid you can

1319
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: recruited Arkansas State and you can recruit it Cow then

1320
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: you can recruit it at Alabama. So if you were

1321
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: at the highest level of school, what kind of kid

1322
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: would you recruit? Like, who's a perfect kid? I think

1323
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: you gotta recruit obviously a talented guy. You know, talented guy.

1324
01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: That's really uh, that's motivated. I think the number one thing,

1325
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: especially when you start talking about college athletics and obviously

1326
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: the attention that goes into recruiting, You've got to really

1327
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 1: be able to find a kid that loves football. You know,

1328
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys fall in love with the recruiting

1329
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: process and the attention that it gives them and the

1330
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: popularity that gives them. Um, and we all know, and

1331
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: you've been a former player as well that you know

1332
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: once that's over, that's over. And it's hard. You know,

1333
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to be a successful college football player. Um.

1334
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of sacrifices that you have to make. Um,

1335
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: it's very hard work and and there's a lot of

1336
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of time, you know. And I used

1337
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: to tell guys when I was recruiting them all the time,

1338
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: you know, how you have you know, twelve twelve games

1339
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: a year, uh, four years. Man, you've got forty eight

1340
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: guaranteed opportunities, um, outside of any conference championships or bowl game,

1341
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 1: but forty eight guaranteed saturdays or game day competitions that

1342
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna play. And there's a lot of time between

1343
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: those forty eight opportunities that you're gonna play UM in

1344
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: order to be able to perform. You know, there's a

1345
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: lot of practice time. There's a lot of time outside

1346
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: of the building time, outside of our meeting time, outside

1347
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: of the required work for you to be able to

1348
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: go out here and be as successful as you want

1349
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: to be on the football field. And that takes a

1350
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 1: lot of time, and it's gonna be hard. You're not

1351
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: gonna come in right away and be exactly who you

1352
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: were when you just left high school. And so a

1353
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: lot of guys that's hard. You know, even the even

1354
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: the most talented individuals in the country, that's a hard

1355
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: pill to swallow. And a lot of those guys they

1356
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: don't necessarily flourish those kind of competitive environments because we're

1357
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: trying to get a lot of different talents to gods.

1358
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: So I think the simplest way you can put it, man,

1359
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: you gotta find guys who love ball. You gotta find

1360
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: guys who love football. UM you got you gotta find

1361
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: guys who who who love the competition of it, UM

1362
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: and and everything about it. And at that point, you know,

1363
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,839
Speaker 1: you've got a guy that you can develop and build around.

1364
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: UM who's coachable who listen. Um, as long as you

1365
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: give them the right relevant information, they'll try to continue

1366
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: to improve. And you know, I think that's your plus

1367
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: one when you're looking at a at a prospect um

1368
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: in high school or really obviously you know where I

1369
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: am today. You gotta find guys who love the game. Yeah.

1370
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: Well you you have some famous quotes, and I love

1371
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: one of the best ones I love is that that

1372
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: you say the kids, uh, and you put it out

1373
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:17,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter, not not just to your own kids. You

1374
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 1: say stars can't save you. I can you explain that concept? Well?

1375
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: I think you know everybody has, uh, you know, a

1376
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: status you know going in you know, whether you're the

1377
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 1: five star kid or the or the walk on kid

1378
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: um or the first round draft pick or the undrafted

1379
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: free ator. You know, everybody comes into maybe there's their

1380
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: level um or even the even the Pop Warner All

1381
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: Star you know, and and the kid that you know

1382
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: barely even played because he just was too small or

1383
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: too slow or too big and Pop Warner. Now they

1384
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: enter high school, you know, on the field, at that point,

1385
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: there's nothing your status can't save you. You know, football

1386
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: is the is the ultimate ultimate team sport where nothing

1387
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: can save you outside of your one on one matchup.

1388
01:24:06,479 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that I always think

1389
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: about is, uh, you know, there's no I N team,

1390
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: but there's iron wins, you know, and that win has

1391
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: to do with individual performances. Is being able to win

1392
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: when your match up when with effort and win with

1393
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: technique at that point, and so you know, there's there's

1394
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: nothing that can there's nothing that can tell that there's

1395
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: nothing that can save you in that regard as far

1396
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: as your status coming in. You know, you win with

1397
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: your individual performance and those stars can't save you. I

1398
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: love that, dude. There's no I N team, but there's

1399
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: an I N win. I love that UM and and

1400
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: another and another one. I forgot what the exact quote is,

1401
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: but it's the one where you say that rent is due?

1402
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: What what? What's what's that one? Well, that was the

1403
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: the one that came out on I mean, I think J. J.

1404
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: Watt or somebody said it. You know, it's like you

1405
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: know everybody, you know, everybody pays rent or mortgage or

1406
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 1: something like that. And at the end of the day's

1407
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 1: success um successes is not owned. You know, you gotta

1408
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: you lease success, you know, And and renters do every

1409
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: single day. So if you're not putting in the work,

1410
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: if you're not doing what you need to do to

1411
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: be successful, then you might not necessarily make rent that day.

1412
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 1: And that means that somebody might have moved into your spot,

1413
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: you know. And so that's that's kind of where that

1414
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: came from. And again, just you know, given, you know,

1415
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: that's the responsibility of the coach man. And sometimes you

1416
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: gotta sometimes it goals beyond the information of the playbook

1417
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: and and and just putting maybe some some things into perspective.

1418
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,959
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just for for that three hours of practice

1419
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: that you know, you need the guys to push through,

1420
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe the middle of a camp, or

1421
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: it might be a you know, it might be right

1422
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: before a game to give them, you know, to give

1423
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,519
Speaker 1: them something else, you know, just to give them a

1424
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: little a little bit of a little bit of a

1425
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: nugget where you know, hey, you know this, this this

1426
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: makes sense. It's just a different analogy to say the

1427
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 1: same thing. Man, Hey, we gotta go out here and

1428
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: put in the work in order to get what we want.

1429
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: I always believe that that teams kind of take their

1430
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: take on a little bit of the personality and position

1431
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: groups of the people who coached them, and and that

1432
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: when you see a team that's undisciplined, I believe that

1433
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: that's a coaching issue. That that that you that you

1434
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: can have kids who don't necessarily or players in general

1435
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: who don't necessarily have the physical capabilities to do what

1436
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: other guys can. But they can be on time, they

1437
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: can they cannot jump off sides, they cannot commit stupid

1438
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 1: penalties all that. I always think that that's a coaching issue.

1439
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: Where do you stand on that? UM, I think you're right.

1440
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's very very few times where you

1441
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 1: have players who will just go rogue and do things

1442
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: outside of the framework of what they're being taught. UM.

1443
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: But I think that you can tell a lot about

1444
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 1: a team, UM, and how they play, how how individuals,

1445
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily individuals just but but collectively, how gods perform UM.

1446
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: And it may not necessary really be UM, things that

1447
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: result into points. You know, it might be just how

1448
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: hard guys play, how hard guys run down on kickoff.

1449
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that you know you

1450
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: can always tell about a team, UM, how hard the

1451
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: guys run down on kickoff, how hard they come and

1452
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: try to block an extra point after giving up a touchdown, UM,

1453
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: how hard the receivers block on the perimeter. You know,

1454
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: just different things. And that may not necessarily, UM be

1455
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: glorifying to the individuals that are actually putting in that work,

1456
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 1: but you can see a lot about a team and

1457
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and sometimes those things. And that's one of the things

1458
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: that I always wanted to do with with my guys, UM,

1459
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: the guys that I coach at the collegian level. And

1460
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna change UM here where I'm

1461
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: at currently. But you know, one of the things that

1462
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to do a cow was set a culture,

1463
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: you know, set a standard UM and and make that

1464
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 1: be the lead standard that the rest of the team

1465
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: would follow, whether it be how we practice, how we prepared,

1466
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: how we competed UM. You know, how obviously we played

1467
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 1: out on the field, how we communicated, how we how

1468
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: we did things off the field, the chemistry that we

1469
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 1: had UM, the standard that we held ourselves to UM,

1470
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: and ultimately that would lead into having some success on

1471
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 1: the field and then hopefully UM that that success would

1472
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: spread like wildfire to the rest of the team. UM.

1473
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 1: Through all the things that we did uh really prior

1474
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 1: to the performance that people saw on Saturdays, you know,

1475
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: And and that was one of the things that you know,

1476
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: those guys, UM, those guys laid a great foundation the

1477
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: guys that I was able to coach, and I was

1478
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to you know, to earn their trust. You know,

1479
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, just because I'm their

1480
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: coach doesn't mean that I don't have to earn their trust, um,

1481
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: and to what I'm asking these guys to do, because

1482
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: what we're asking them to do as coaches, UM, it's hard.

1483
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to practice hard every single day.

1484
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: It's hard to push through an individuals and run to

1485
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: the football and UM and try to strip the ball

1486
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: and finish, finish the way we want the guys to

1487
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: finish and create those habits in order to to to

1488
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 1: perform greatness on Saturdays or Sundays or whatever you're asking

1489
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,480
Speaker 1: guys to play. UM. It takes a lot of sacrifice

1490
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: and a lot of belief to do at and then

1491
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: when you have your players believing in it, and then

1492
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: now they start to hold each other accountable to the

1493
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: same standard, where now you as a coach, you know

1494
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: that the foundation is laid where now you're older guys

1495
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: are telling the younger guys, this is how we do

1496
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: things here. This is not how we do it. And

1497
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: now they're starting to believe it so much that they're

1498
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:21,600
Speaker 1: starting to they're starting to teach it. And so now, um,

1499
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:23,719
Speaker 1: now you know you've laid a great foundation and now

1500
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 1: you can build on that as you continue to build

1501
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 1: your your unit or your program. Uh. Now to move

1502
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: on to the recruiting aspect of things big, because it

1503
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 1: seems like like coaches in college football have to trend

1504
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: younger now because the recruiting has changed. Like it's not

1505
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: just coach showing up at your high school flashing is

1506
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: flashing his card, flashing the logo on his chest. Now

1507
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 1: you've got to be in the in the d M.

1508
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 1: You gotta be sending out sub tweets. You gotta be

1509
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: doing I mean on these phones. Like what is it

1510
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: like recruiting kids? What you know when you at Arkansas

1511
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: State you saw it in two thousand thirteen until your

1512
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: last season at gal what what? How is the recruiting

1513
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: process changed? And what is it like from start to

1514
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: finish when you recruit a kid? Uh from just from

1515
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: the overall landscape. You know, you really have to tap

1516
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: into the way that these kids communicate now and that's

1517
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: through um, you know, through social media, whether it be

1518
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: Instagram or uh TikTok or Twitter or whatever. You know.

1519
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,679
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to you have to reinvent yourself.

1520
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 1: A lot of guys who have been in this coaching

1521
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: game have kind of seen this thing evolved over the

1522
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: last let's say twenty years. You know, if you, if you,

1523
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: if you put in that time, UM, you see how

1524
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 1: the house phone is no longer You're not calling the

1525
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: house phone no more. You're getting these kids right on

1526
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: their seale. UM. You know they gotta with them, you know,

1527
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: and you know that they checked checking all the time,

1528
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 1: and so you got to continue to be active. And

1529
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, recruiting is very competitive. UM. You know

1530
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: from the overall start to start to finish with things. UM.

1531
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, obviously you find a kid who you feel

1532
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: like it has the tools for you to be able

1533
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 1: to develop, and sometimes you know they they are not

1534
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: a finished product by no stretch of the imagination. UM.

1535
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I personally used to look for specific traits because from

1536
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: where I was, UM, I wasn't gonna get the top

1537
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 1: rated recruit at cal um it just wasn't gonna happen,

1538
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, not not due to a lack of effort. Um.

1539
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes they weren't attracted to what we can offer them,

1540
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: you know at CAT, whether it be the location or

1541
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: the academics or are in some in some respects even

1542
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: planning on the West coast and planning the pack twelve,

1543
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: a lot of kids want to maybe go to other places,

1544
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: maybe go down into the South and and and you

1545
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: know some of the quote unquote bigger schools, um, you know,

1546
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: but just starting to build a relationship with them. And

1547
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: usually I try to be as very very transparent as

1548
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: I could, um and just let the guys know. You know, hey,

1549
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a hard process. You know. My

1550
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 1: biggest thing, my selling point for me personally, it's about

1551
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: the development, you know, about the development of you as

1552
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: a player. Um. You know what you are right now

1553
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: is is a good tool. Here's how I see where

1554
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: you can improve. Here's how we're gonna use you. Here's

1555
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: my vision for you. Um. But best believe you're not

1556
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: gonna be promised anything. You know, You're going to be

1557
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna come in and compete and you know,

1558
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: that's what we want. This is why we were recruiting you.

1559
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:15,719
Speaker 1: You have to love the competition part of it because

1560
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you're gonna do. You're not gonna be

1561
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: handed anything other than an opportunity to go and compete, um,

1562
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, and just try to teach them the game

1563
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 1: along the process. Were That was my biggest thing as

1564
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: far as separating myself. It's teaching teaching guys the game

1565
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: of football. How many phone calls from beginning to like

1566
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: like so like let's say that you have a kid,

1567
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: you can start calling them when when when they're after

1568
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: their sophomore years over right something like that. Yeah, but

1569
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: you can start having conversations with them. Yeah, but like

1570
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: you can see them before that at school and like

1571
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: that if you if you have another kid there, But like,

1572
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: how many phone calls is this? Like what I'm a day?

1573
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 1: Is this? Like I don't think a lot of people

1574
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: understand how much work goes into you were known as

1575
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: an elite recruiter, Like there are a people who recruit kids. Yeah,

1576
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: it's it's easier to recruit if you have you know,

1577
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: Alabama USC on your jerk on your shirt or whatever.

1578
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: But but even then, like it's still a dog fight

1579
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 1: for kids. But like, how many phone calls is this?

1580
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: Like what is it like talking to these parents, you know, college,

1581
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 1: their high school coach? Like what goes into that? There's

1582
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: plenty of man hours, plenty of man hours as far

1583
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 1: as talking to the kids, UM, continuing to keep a

1584
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:42,840
Speaker 1: relationship with them, talk to them about whatever whatever is

1585
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: going on their game that previous week. UM, just just

1586
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 1: just staying just staying active in the kid's life, you know,

1587
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,759
Speaker 1: and talking to parents, talking to the significant uh people

1588
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: in their lives. That's gonna obviously be able to help

1589
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: them throughout this process and help them with their decision. Um.

1590
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:03,600
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, high school coaches, uh,

1591
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 1: seven on seven coaches. Um, there there's a lot of

1592
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean I can I couldn't put a number on

1593
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: the amount of phone calls it takes. And usually that

1594
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: thing just starts to ramp up closer and closer you

1595
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: get to the final decision, which is you know, signing day. Um.

1596
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of there's a lot of man

1597
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 1: hours with each individual person, you know. So um, it's

1598
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: a lot of work, you know, obviously, Uh, it's the

1599
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: lifeblood of the program. It's the life blood of college football. Um,

1600
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm only as good of a coach as the players

1601
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,799
Speaker 1: that I'm able to have. Um, if they're not physically

1602
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: able to do the things that we require them to do,

1603
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 1: there's nothing to me as a coach I can do

1604
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 1: other than get uh get you know, better talent to

1605
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: guys to be able to develop. But there's a lot,

1606
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into it. And uh, it's

1607
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: it's the recruiting process for for really everybody. And uh,

1608
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: it's never in so even when you're having the signing

1609
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: day and you're celebrating, uh, you know, accumulating the classes

1610
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: you just got, you're already looking at the next one

1611
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: and the one after that and the one after that.

1612
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 1: So it's never an excycle, how is it? So? And

1613
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: the element is changed in terms of you actually have

1614
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 1: to recruit your own kids now too, because they'll they'll

1615
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 1: leave in the transfer reportal if things aren't going their

1616
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: way or whatever. So it has that changed in terms

1617
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 1: of recruiting your own players? And did you do that

1618
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 1: or did you just say, look, here here's how we

1619
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 1: do things. Here's how I treat you. I'm not treating

1620
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 1: you better because you're mad, or or worse because you're mad.

1621
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: How did you handle that well? The planning time, I

1622
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 1: always told the guys that's not up to me, that's

1623
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 1: up to you. You know. I don't. I don't really.

1624
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: I don't set the depth chart. Everybody in this room

1625
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: does based on their performance. Yeah, but it's polic coach,

1626
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: it's politics, right, No, there's I mean, at least for me,

1627
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 1: there was no politicis listen, man, the film will never lie, period,

1628
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 1: The film will never lie, you know. I don't. I don't. Again,

1629
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: I don't care about the stars. I don't care if

1630
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,240
Speaker 1: you're on scholarship. Hell, I had a guy who who's who?

1631
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: Who was a walk on? Who's about to be drafted?

1632
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: You know? And so it doesn't really necessarily matter as

1633
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: far as all that's concerned. It's about when you get

1634
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 1: in here, Um, who can who can do the things right?

1635
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: Who can do the things can? You know? I would say,

1636
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 1: more so, who can do the things that we need

1637
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: to get done consistently? Because there's always gonna be a

1638
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, one of those talented guys, and or even

1639
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: not so talented, they'll have a to have a a

1640
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 1: splash play here or there, but you know, on top

1641
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 1: of that splash play, they'll mess up three or four times.

1642
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I can't even trust to put you

1643
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: in the game because of yeah, you're talented, but you

1644
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 1: don't do the things consistent consistently. Well, I think that's

1645
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: what everybody needs and everybody wants, is somebody who's going

1646
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: to be consistently out there. That's how sometimes some of

1647
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: the more uh talented guys on the roster may not

1648
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 1: necessarily be playing above maybe one of the more let's

1649
01:36:54,240 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: say heralded recruits that are that that maybe just got

1650
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 1: to the program. Um, you know it's because that, hey,

1651
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 1: this guy does things consistently well, are consistently better? Um, Yeah,

1652
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 1: you have you know, and that's that's the work that

1653
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 1: gods have to have, um, in order to to to

1654
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: be successful. Like I said earlier, Know, it's it's hard.

1655
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: You know, there's a you know, you're learning a different playbook,

1656
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: you're learning different terminology, you're learning different techniques. Um, you're

1657
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: learning different things. Yeah. You may be physically talented and

1658
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: that probably has never changed, but ultimately you have to

1659
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 1: be able to adapt and get your game equivalent to

1660
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: what we needed to be at this particular level on

1661
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: a consistent basis. And so there's no politics in this game.

1662
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: There really isn't, as much as people want to use

1663
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 1: it as a crutch, um and an excuse for the

1664
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 1: most part um, at the end of the day, man,

1665
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: the players, we we coaches don't get paid to not

1666
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:46,879
Speaker 1: play good players. That makes sense, and and that granted,

1667
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: like sometimes there's a relationship where they may not like

1668
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: each other for whatever reason, but at the end of

1669
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: the day, pretty much all coaches they don't want to

1670
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 1: get fired. They want to win games, so they're they're

1671
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 1: going to try to play the best and most consistent

1672
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:07,680
Speaker 1: players possible. Um. There is a new thing that just

1673
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: came out because of COVID, because of the coronavirus that's

1674
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: affecting recruiting, and I think it's gonna have a positive

1675
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: impact on COW and U c l A in particular.

1676
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: So the article just came out they said that the

1677
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 1: the UC system is gonna ease at mission requirements, So

1678
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: no s A T, no minimum grades due to coronavirus.

1679
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 1: And can you tell us like, because I don't think

1680
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: that everybody fully understands that getting into that going to

1681
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: U c l A or going to Cow getting into

1682
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 1: those schools. It's it's different than go into Arizona. It's

1683
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,759
Speaker 1: different than going to Arizona State, Utah, Oregon, Oregon State.

1684
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just different, right, M. Absolutely, it's it's

1685
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: it's totally a different you know, as far as the

1686
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: academic requirements that UM, that you need in order to

1687
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: even to even pursue a recruit, let alone get him

1688
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: in the school and all of that stuff. There's just

1689
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 1: so many kids that, UM, we would not have had

1690
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,759
Speaker 1: the opportunity to recruit even if we wanted to, UM

1691
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:18,679
Speaker 1: and just because of academic performance. And sometimes it works

1692
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: itself out because you know, they would not have fit

1693
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: into the culture of Berkeley anyway, you know, and and

1694
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 1: that may um that may have already just kind of

1695
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: ran its course. And so just with this whole thing

1696
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,480
Speaker 1: that you're just telling me about, I think that, UM,

1697
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: you can think about it in two ways. And I'm

1698
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: just speaking for Cow because I've been there and I'm

1699
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: not sure how they're operating, But just specifically thinking about

1700
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,560
Speaker 1: this news in regards if I just heard it and

1701
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: I was in that seat, UM, this is our green

1702
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: light to recruit who are we want, you know, as

1703
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: far as its um not worrying about the admissions part

1704
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 1: and getting the getting a certain kid in with a

1705
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: certain g P a certain test score. All right, it's

1706
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,519
Speaker 1: it's wide open. We can cast a bigger net, but

1707
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: I think you also got to be careful with maybe

1708
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: getting the quote unquote wrong kid. And what I mean

1709
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: by that is, again everything is about fit. You know,

1710
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 1: Berkeley is a good fit for certain people. Um, Eugene

1711
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 1: is a good fit for certain people, you know, Temp,

1712
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, all these places of special places in their

1713
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: own right. But again, it's all about fit. And so

1714
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: even though you might be able to cast a bigger

1715
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,200
Speaker 1: net and maybe get the get the guy who's got

1716
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 1: the lower g P A than that you couldn't get

1717
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:30,640
Speaker 1: in a certain certain year prior to you know, be

1718
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: prior to this U COVID thing. Um, who's to say

1719
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: that that kid just because he can get into school

1720
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 1: now because the floodgates are open, it's going to be

1721
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: successful in Berkeley academically. And so you still gotta, you know,

1722
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 1: you gott to weigh that in the consideration. Even though hey,

1723
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 1: you know, we can probably hit this window that we

1724
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 1: may not necessarily be able to hit you still got

1725
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 1: to find the right guy, still got to find the

1726
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: right kid. What are some of the metrics that go

1727
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,839
Speaker 1: into the academic standard because people just think that college

1728
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:01,679
Speaker 1: is just oh yeah, this kid is great, let's let's

1729
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: get him in. It doesn't matter what his grades are,

1730
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,600
Speaker 1: what school looks like. Yeah, we can just get him in.

1731
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Um, I can't speak for again, I

1732
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: can speak for everybody else. I know, Cal we had

1733
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: you guys have to be hovering around the three point

1734
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:18,200
Speaker 1: oh and and and maybe four did just on the

1735
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: on the on the s a T score, and so

1736
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:25,520
Speaker 1: you had to be a pretty well rounded academic performer

1737
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 1: in order to be justified and being able to recruit

1738
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: you and get you in the school and know that

1739
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: you can handle the the academic challenges that is going

1740
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: to UC Berkeley and so um. But I think that yeah,

1741
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:42,280
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, at this point, this

1742
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: is this is a window of opportunity for us to

1743
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 1: be able to maybe recruit some of the talented individuals

1744
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,719
Speaker 1: that we may not have the opportunity to recruit um

1745
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 1: due to these circumstances that we deal with on a

1746
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: day to day and so I think at the end

1747
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: of the day, you gotta look at the two folds.

1748
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,040
Speaker 1: You gotta look at Okay, here's here's an opportunity of

1749
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 1: the force to maybe maybe recruit a talented kid um

1750
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: that we may not have the opportunity recruit outside of this.

1751
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 1: But again, you have to make sure that it's the

1752
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 1: right fit and and knowing, knowing the leadership there, knowing

1753
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 1: knowing how coach operates UM and what he wants in

1754
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 1: his program, I wouldn't see him thinking about it any less. Um.

1755
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: I want to talk specifically about the Pack twelve because

1756
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,839
Speaker 1: I am a Pack twelve guy, but I am nervous

1757
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: about the future at the conference as it relates to

1758
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: financials because the the rightness on the wall to me

1759
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: the we UH we are last in terms of revenue generation,

1760
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: so that means that coaches can get paid less. That

1761
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 1: means that coaches can't get poached easier. We just saw

1762
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 1: two Pack twelve coaches. We just saw Mail Tucker leave

1763
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: UH College Colorado for a big bag of money at

1764
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: Michigan State. And but well not not just a big

1765
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 1: bag of money, but more resources. All of that same

1766
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: thing with Mike Leach at Washington State going down to

1767
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,760
Speaker 1: a what what is truly a bottom tier team in

1768
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,240
Speaker 1: the in the SEC, like one one of the lower

1769
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: in terms of prestige in football, like leave to go

1770
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 1: there because of money and resources. So it's like, I'm

1771
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: nervous about the future. What do you what's your take

1772
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: on that? On the status of the pack to all,

1773
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a lot to that I'm

1774
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,840
Speaker 1: not real familiar just with. I mean, I know that

1775
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,680
Speaker 1: certain places have there's hals and have nots. I mean

1776
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,679
Speaker 1: that's that's life, you know, and that's kind of life

1777
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 1: in college football right now. And um, you know you

1778
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 1: would hope that there's certain things that they have planned

1779
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,320
Speaker 1: in order to be able to level the playing field.

1780
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 1: But you know that's ah, that's a little too deep

1781
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: for the things that I paid attention to when I

1782
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 1: was in the packs. One, well, the well on the

1783
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 1: on the recruiting aspect of it, have you noticed that

1784
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:57,440
Speaker 1: kids are more willing to leave that the California footprint

1785
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 1: and say nah, no, no they the media or whoever

1786
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 1: it tells me that the that is better ball being

1787
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: being played east of the Mississippi. I think that's all

1788
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,320
Speaker 1: due to perception. I don't think that has to do

1789
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: with the the resources as far as that that's concerned.

1790
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,479
Speaker 1: The kids aren't reaping the benefit of that. You know,

1791
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, they're doing they're motivated by

1792
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: the quote unquote money because they're they're they're not they're

1793
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: not or they say, shouldn't be getting any any of that.

1794
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: And so a lot of it has to do with

1795
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: just their generational view of what the what what what

1796
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 1: is quote unquote big time? You know, the SEC obviously

1797
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: using that as an example, very well respected football conference,

1798
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 1: especially with you know, some of the success that they've

1799
01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 1: had in the in the national championship field, um, you know,

1800
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: and just the perception and maybe some other schools as

1801
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 1: far as you know, all the Ohio states and the

1802
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Michigan's and and some of the kids specifically on the

1803
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: West coast, you know, they look at that as hey,

1804
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 1: that's a bigger opportunity, that's a bigger deal, that's a

1805
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 1: bigger stage. Um. When I use to always say, hey man,

1806
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,080
Speaker 1: they play on the same honey yard field, same dimension,

1807
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 1: same number, same same everything, you know, and it's not like, um,

1808
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: those specific places are going to get you closer to

1809
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 1: being able to play on Sunday. I mean, there's there's

1810
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: guys that you know, and you can be a tiar

1811
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: wanna tech and we're gonna find you. You know, as

1812
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: long as you can play, and so it doesn't that

1813
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:24,719
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily matter. But I think the the generational perception is, Okay,

1814
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: I gotta go. I want to go beyond the West

1815
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Coast because that's a bigger deal. Um, you know, but

1816
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, some guys want to stay home. Some guy

1817
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: who want to stay on the West Coast. Some guys wanna,

1818
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 1: um go to other places. You know, at the end

1819
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:38,080
Speaker 1: of the day, it's all about fit and sometimes through

1820
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:40,759
Speaker 1: through the transfer portal or the love and the recruiting

1821
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 1: and what they feel like was a big deal. Um,

1822
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,519
Speaker 1: they get there and they're like, man, this isn't what

1823
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was, Like, well, yeah, you know, it's

1824
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: it's it's it's still the cold still gets cold in

1825
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 1: some of those places. Um, it's still you know, it's

1826
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: still far away from home. You know, it's not it's

1827
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: not your West Coast uh blueprint. You know, it's not

1828
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 1: what you're used to. Um, you're gonna go in and

1829
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,759
Speaker 1: justin Sometimes hey, that might that might be the best

1830
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: thing for some kids, and to get out to a

1831
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: different environment, um to be able to grow and and

1832
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:12,759
Speaker 1: and um grow within themselves and and or something. It's like, okay,

1833
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: you know what, this is way too different from my

1834
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: liking and I need to reassess my situation while I

1835
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,799
Speaker 1: still got time and maybe get back to familiar settings.

1836
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: So um, you know, at the end of the day,

1837
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: it is what it is, and uh you know, and

1838
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 1: and hopefully uh you know, for for the sake of

1839
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: pactual football, we can uh you know, guys can can

1840
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: can see staying at home and playing on the West

1841
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Coast as a big deal. Um as it was basically

1842
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: when when when when you and I were growing up. Yeah, yeah, hey,

1843
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,920
Speaker 1: hey yeah, so I got I gotta I got a

1844
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: tough question for you, Gerald, But so you you are

1845
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,560
Speaker 1: a coach. I'm a big believer that kids should be

1846
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:55,639
Speaker 1: able to transfer once within with an opportunity, because coaches

1847
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 1: are able to move. You have been having success at Cal,

1848
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: you just recruited and signed a class and now you

1849
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 1: left to go to the Dolphins. How how does that

1850
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:09,599
Speaker 1: conversation happen with your players and how do you feel

1851
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: about that as a coach, having to leave kids that

1852
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 1: you just either you know, got to go to the

1853
01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: school or already have a relationship with at cal Well.

1854
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,000
Speaker 1: I never promised kids that I was going to be there,

1855
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 1: you know I they asked, UM, and they understand the

1856
01:47:29,479 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: landscape of what this is. This is this is a business,

1857
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, just as as as much as an opportunity

1858
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:38,960
Speaker 1: can present itself that I can't refuse, and I ended

1859
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: up going to take a job. Um, they can decide

1860
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 1: to get rid of me the next day and so UM, yeah,

1861
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to go through the recruiting process. And I

1862
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:50,680
Speaker 1: used to tell kids this because I'm the one in

1863
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 1: your home. I'm the one having these conversations with you.

1864
01:47:53,080 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm the one having a conversation with your parents, um,

1865
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 1: as well as the people that are in our building.

1866
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 1: And we know that people make the place and sometimes

1867
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 1: that's the main attraction for some kids to make a

1868
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: decision and say, hey, you know what, I want to

1869
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: go there, uh to that university. Um, not just because

1870
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 1: I want to go to that university, but I want

1871
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,920
Speaker 1: to play for him. I want to play for them

1872
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 1: where I want to play for these people. I want

1873
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 1: to be with these people and then you know, for

1874
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 1: for that to be kind of you know, swept underneath them. Um,

1875
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,639
Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is. And so that's

1876
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 1: the nature of what this game is. Um, what what

1877
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:31,759
Speaker 1: this what this college football game is, because there's there's

1878
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: plenty of times where there's coaches that have great relationships

1879
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 1: with the kids and they're and you know, the kids

1880
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 1: are maybe necessarily not having the football results that they want. Um,

1881
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: but you know, they hey, they're they're they're getting guys

1882
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: graduated and they're having a great college experience outside of

1883
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,600
Speaker 1: maybe the results on the football field, and the administration

1884
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: feel like they need to make a different go in

1885
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 1: a different direction, and those people are now you know,

1886
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:58,160
Speaker 1: thrown out of the building with new people that are

1887
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 1: in place. So, um, you know, as far as a kid,

1888
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's as far as him making a decision,

1889
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 1: and you know, they've kind of leniently got on the

1890
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 1: rules as far as what these guys are able to

1891
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 1: do in regards to their playing careers, and you know,

1892
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,479
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of uh, you know, it's an ongoing

1893
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 1: debate and in regards to coaches professionally moving and being

1894
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 1: able to make that decision for um, their families. But again,

1895
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:27,919
Speaker 1: that's that's a business. You know, that's that's the business.

1896
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 1: And I know that they're inserted into a business as

1897
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: a player in college football. UM, but that's something that

1898
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: you can you can talk over and over about about

1899
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: who's able to have what kind of freedom to do

1900
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 1: what as a kid from l A. I know that

1901
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,759
Speaker 1: we talked on this day, but talk to me about

1902
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 1: because because this is just something that I know was

1903
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 1: just all my heart and it's still just with me

1904
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 1: to this day. January twenty six, two thousand twenty. Where

1905
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 1: were you when you heard the news and what kind

1906
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 1: of effect did that have on you or having on

1907
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 1: you today? You know, when I was at home, I

1908
01:50:13,080 --> 01:50:16,879
Speaker 1: was at home and um, I want to say, Lebron

1909
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 1: had just passed Kobe the previous night, and I remember

1910
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 1: going to sleep late and I remember, you know, Sports

1911
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: Center loops over and over again late at night, and

1912
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: I remember just hearing this interview talk about you know

1913
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: what that meant to him? UM, And it was like

1914
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 1: hours later you heard the news and it was you know,

1915
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: I never I never even thought that that would have

1916
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,120
Speaker 1: the effect on me that it had, and it was like,

1917
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't believe it, you know, And even

1918
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:47,080
Speaker 1: even as as you were going through the emotions of it,

1919
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 1: like you know, I kept telling myself, like, I cannot

1920
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 1: believe that this is affecting me the way that it

1921
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 1: that it is, you know. I mean, I didn't I

1922
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: didn't know the guy. I never met the guy, never

1923
01:50:56,360 --> 01:50:58,480
Speaker 1: been around him. I mean, I didn't have a relationship

1924
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: with him. But it was like he was a part

1925
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:01,640
Speaker 1: of me. Man, he was a part of it. He

1926
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: was a part of the childhood. You know. I remember

1927
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 1: so many, so many memories in life that was wrapped

1928
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 1: up into Laker games or championship parades or just just

1929
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, and not even if you were just a

1930
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 1: fan of the Lakers and growing up in southern California.

1931
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 1: I think that people were affected by the death of

1932
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 1: Kobe just because you saw somebody that was so dedicated

1933
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:27,640
Speaker 1: to his craft and he ended up being exactly what

1934
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:29,680
Speaker 1: he wanted to be. He wanted to be known as

1935
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,599
Speaker 1: one of the greatest and and just you know, and

1936
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: not even have had the opportunity to see physically all

1937
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 1: the work that he put in, all the sacrifices that

1938
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: he made um and closely being able to see it

1939
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 1: every day in practice. I mean you saw it in

1940
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:49,759
Speaker 1: his every game performance, and you saw it in different moments,

1941
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 1: and you saw it in spurts and you saw you

1942
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you just saw it, you know, and you know,

1943
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,120
Speaker 1: just just seeing that and um, you know, and especially

1944
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 1: as a parent, you know, and and just understanding the

1945
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: relationship that he had with his kids, and it seemed like,

1946
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, Kobe, we grew up with Kobe, you know,

1947
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 1: we we grew up with him when he was a

1948
01:52:13,080 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 1: seventeen year old Laker. And now seeing him be uh,

1949
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 1: you know, a father with with with with a great family,

1950
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 1: and now he's he's found you know, he's found his

1951
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: new passion and teaching the game and really dedicating the

1952
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 1: two to his girl, to his girls and women in general.

1953
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 1: You know, he was a big advocate for women's basketball,

1954
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:36,760
Speaker 1: and you know the things that he did with with

1955
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 1: his daughter, who was obviously into basketball and um, taking

1956
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: her to games and giving her those experiences that you

1957
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:47,240
Speaker 1: know that that he was given maybe when he was

1958
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: younger with his dad. And then just to you know,

1959
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 1: you saw a person that even though at his at

1960
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 1: his prime moments in his career, uh, reaching the pinnacle

1961
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 1: and how glorious that is. You saw a happier person

1962
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 1: post basketball. You saw a guy who dedicated a lot

1963
01:53:07,880 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: of his uh, a lot of that time that he

1964
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 1: did on the basketball court, and he poured it into

1965
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 1: his family because he sacrificed so much of that time

1966
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 1: to be what he wanted to be and to to

1967
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 1: for it to abruptly end like that, you know, um,

1968
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: and not even like that, but just just period, you know,

1969
01:53:24,520 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: just see a guy just that may have indirectly impacted

1970
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:32,679
Speaker 1: so many people. Um, you know it was it was heartbreaking, man,

1971
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 1: it was heartbreaking. And you saw the rest of the

1972
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 1: families not you know, and just just the whole thing,

1973
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, the whole thing. Obviously you know, Coree being

1974
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:43,280
Speaker 1: a pivotal piece, but then you think about all the

1975
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:46,839
Speaker 1: people that were affected and and how people's people's lives

1976
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:50,120
Speaker 1: had changed in an instant on doing something that was

1977
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 1: probably very routine. Hey, we're gonna go to practice, We're

1978
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 1: gonna fly down here. This is something that we do

1979
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 1: all the time. Um, you know, we're gonna go to practice.

1980
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 1: And then you started to think about, man, you know,

1981
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,720
Speaker 1: that's you know, you think about your family, you think

1982
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,600
Speaker 1: about your kids, like, man, I don't I don't I

1983
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 1: don't ever want I don't ever want my wife to

1984
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:07,639
Speaker 1: be away from me. You know, I don't ever want

1985
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 1: my kids to not have me. And let me you know,

1986
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, everyday life you're on the go when you're

1987
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:14,519
Speaker 1: thinking about all right, you know, let make sure that

1988
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 1: this is take care of now. Uh, let me make

1989
01:54:16,760 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 1: sure that this is done for tomorrow, and let me

1990
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 1: make sure some you know, and sometimes and really you know,

1991
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: kind of bringing things back full circle with this whole

1992
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 1: thing that's going on with this uh, with the virus

1993
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: and everybody having to stay at home, it's like, you know,

1994
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 1: everybody's wanting to know, okay, when things gonna go back

1995
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,560
Speaker 1: to normal. But you know, you look back and you

1996
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: think about kind of how you felt when when you

1997
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 1: heard the news of Kobe. It's like, well, man, let

1998
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: me just let me just enjoy this moment right here

1999
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 1: with these people, because you don't know when things are

2000
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna change. You don't know when lives are gonna change,

2001
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 1: and so many lives will be affected right now with

2002
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:50,200
Speaker 1: all this stuff is like, you know what, let me

2003
01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 1: just let me just press pause and let me just

2004
01:54:52,760 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: take this opportunity where I'm not on the go and

2005
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I'm not in the office, I'm

2006
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 1: not doing all this stuff. And let me just let

2007
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: me just enjoy family. Let me just enjoy it. And

2008
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. And there's gonna be times like

2009
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 1: man that get away from everybody. But you know, it's

2010
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,600
Speaker 1: just it gives you. It gave you some perspective, um,

2011
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 1: and it's something that man, I don't think that I

2012
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,200
Speaker 1: don't think that I'll ever get over um in regards

2013
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:19,520
Speaker 1: to just you know, you see videos of and you

2014
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 1: see videos of Kobe, and again it just reminds you

2015
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 1: of how much it really takes to be great, you know,

2016
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:30,200
Speaker 1: how how much sacrifice, how much effort, and and there's

2017
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 1: and there's very few. There's a lot of good, um,

2018
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 1: but there's very few great. He was one of them,

2019
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, and you know the work that he put

2020
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 1: in and and he you know, the Mama mentality. Man,

2021
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean that that that says something that reached out

2022
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 1: to a lot of people. And that's those aren't just

2023
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 1: two words. That's as you know, and not everybody, not everybody,

2024
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 1: not every not everybody's built like that, and it is

2025
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 1: what it is and more and more than likely, um,

2026
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, just like he did. Man, he when he

2027
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 1: wanted to, he he brought it. And they're very few

2028
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 1: people that can. I just love the fact that Kobe

2029
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 1: he literally gave every single thing that he had, like

2030
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 1: he had nothing more in terms of basketball to give

2031
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 1: and and people, um, and people, I think generally that

2032
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 1: they are attracted to passion, even even if they don't

2033
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:26,080
Speaker 1: like the person, They're attracted to passion. And he had

2034
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 1: it like he had. He gave it every single thing,

2035
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 1: and he was passionate about being a father. He was

2036
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 1: passionate about his storytelling. Like my my oldest son. He's

2037
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 1: reading the Wisonard series. He just read, uh one of

2038
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 1: Kobe's Kobe's books. And I'm just like And that's where

2039
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 1: as a person like it was granted, I only meant

2040
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 1: to do two times, but it was by far one

2041
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:50,520
Speaker 1: of the worst days of my entire life. And it

2042
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 1: still makes me sick talking about it. But but I

2043
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,800
Speaker 1: was just like I and also the other part of me.

2044
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you felt like this. I felt cheated,

2045
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 1: like I felt like he had so much more to

2046
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:06,920
Speaker 1: give us, and I felt cheated and Also, I felt

2047
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 1: like the women's game and women's basketball and sports got

2048
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,320
Speaker 1: cheated because what you see as Sierra Kenyon with Lebron

2049
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:18,520
Speaker 1: James's kid, the popping circumstance arounding that. I believe that

2050
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 1: you would have seen that for Gig when she was

2051
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:26,440
Speaker 1: in high school, like surrounding women. I mean you see

2052
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:30,400
Speaker 1: yeah he yeah, absolutely, I when you see that that

2053
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:32,800
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it could have went. And then you know,

2054
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 1: and again the sadness is really the loss of loss

2055
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:37,880
Speaker 1: of g and the rest of the kids. But talking

2056
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:42,720
Speaker 1: specifically her were, um, you know kids, they you know,

2057
01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: they have a future in front of them. Then she

2058
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:48,840
Speaker 1: had as many goals and aspirations that any kid her

2059
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 1: age would have had, and and she was well on

2060
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:54,280
Speaker 1: our way to to maybe achieving some of those goals

2061
01:57:54,320 --> 01:57:58,200
Speaker 1: and something. You know, there's there's no telling what, um what,

2062
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 1: what what that young lady could have done. And it's

2063
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 1: unfortunate that, uh, you know, the tragedy happened. And I'm

2064
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 1: pretty sure along her short life, man, she's she's impacted

2065
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 1: so many people, um as well as obviously her father.

2066
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 1: And you know, that's the only thing that I guess

2067
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 1: is guaranteed on on during your lifespan is how you

2068
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:25,560
Speaker 1: impact people and in UM, your everyday life and and

2069
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 1: and when when it's your time, UM, the memories that

2070
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:32,920
Speaker 1: you left, the the impactful relationships that you that you've made, UM,

2071
01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 1: the influence that you've made on people. I mean you

2072
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 1: look at UM, you know, just just a couple of

2073
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:42,280
Speaker 1: days ago, you know, the year anniversary of really Nipsey's passing, UM,

2074
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 1: who was also a cultural influence in regards to UM,

2075
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 1: not just the musical part, but when you get a

2076
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:51,320
Speaker 1: chance to you know, and I never met Nipsey at all,

2077
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, you listen to his

2078
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:57,120
Speaker 1: music and his music as obviously you know it's entertaining

2079
01:58:57,160 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but then you you know, you

2080
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 1: really listen to it to the message that you look

2081
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: at his interviews and you look at the kind of

2082
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 1: person that he was and the things that he talked

2083
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:08,760
Speaker 1: about and the things that he believed, and how inspiring

2084
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: that was. The people you know, just saying Okay, hey,

2085
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:13,760
Speaker 1: the I don't have all the answers, but hey, it's

2086
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:15,800
Speaker 1: the marathon. Hey yeah, there's gonna be some things that

2087
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 1: I trip along along the way, and I'm not gonna

2088
01:59:17,680 --> 01:59:19,440
Speaker 1: say that I got all the answers and and it's

2089
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 1: all been smooth, but my persistence is what's kept me

2090
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 1: going and got me to the place that I'm going

2091
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 1: to and where I'm where I'm striving to be. And

2092
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 1: so they look at a young dude like that who

2093
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:33,240
Speaker 1: was very inspiring and and both of those guys are

2094
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:36,360
Speaker 1: are figures in l A and obviously Kobe being UM

2095
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:40,680
Speaker 1: probably more of the prominent figure globally UM. But individually

2096
01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:44,320
Speaker 1: those guys had the same message in regards to persistence

2097
01:59:44,360 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 1: passion like you talked about UM. You know, and those

2098
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: are the things that you know, you know, they inspire

2099
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, and and some people again,

2100
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:55,880
Speaker 1: they don't they don't have that persistent they don't have

2101
01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:59,480
Speaker 1: that level of motivation UM. And sometimes to take somebody

2102
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 1: that maybe they don't even know UM or have a

2103
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 1: relationship with to be able to spark that influence. G A.

2104
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on the podcast today man dropping,

2105
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:14,120
Speaker 1: dropping some knowledge sharing and really taking time out of

2106
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:16,000
Speaker 1: your day. I know that you got so I got

2107
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,760
Speaker 1: some you know, this is the COVID time, special time

2108
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:21,240
Speaker 1: with your family. You got a new baby, all of

2109
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 1: that wishing you and the Dolphin as well this this

2110
02:00:25,000 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 1: season and thanks for sharing. Man, appreciate it, Man, no problem.

2111
02:00:30,040 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 1: What do you think Ralph Man? I really like him? Um.

2112
02:00:34,720 --> 02:00:39,080
Speaker 1: I think that Uh. I think that that's something. Uh.

2113
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:41,120
Speaker 1: If you're a coach out there and and your team

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Speaker 1: it's a name that you need to know because I

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Speaker 1: cannot stress just how bad Cal was um in the

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff years. And imagine how good they'd have been

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Speaker 1: if they'd have been able to stop anybody. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: they just they they just couldn't. And so to be

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Speaker 1: able to recruit the way that they did, get a

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Speaker 1: lot of unheralded guys in there and get them to

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Speaker 1: buy into an answer based system that turned that entire

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Speaker 1: team around. It's set the model for what Arizona State

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Speaker 1: was then able to do. Um to to also go

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Speaker 1: from you know, having the worst past defense in the

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Speaker 1: entire country, uh to to build back towards respectability. So

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Speaker 1: it can be done. You can work to get yourself

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Speaker 1: out of the basement. You know, and and and you know,

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Speaker 1: he's He's somebody who I think is going to have

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Speaker 1: a lot of success. I don't think we're done hearing

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Speaker 1: from him yet. And I just love how available he

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Speaker 1: makes himself. UM, and I like his perspective too, so

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Speaker 1: I think it was a really good interview. UM. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that I really a couple of things

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Speaker 1: that really stood out to me where he said, Uh,

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Speaker 1: every everybody says that there's no I n T, but

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Speaker 1: there is I and win and that everybody has to win,

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Speaker 1: whether you playing football, basketball, life, like everybody on a

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Speaker 1: group environment has to win their individual matchups like you, like,

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Speaker 1: there's no I in team, but there is an iron win,

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Speaker 1: So every individual has to do their job if you

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Speaker 1: want to win. I thought that was great. Another thing

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Speaker 1: where he said, he said, uh, success is least and

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Speaker 1: rent is due every day. So and it reminded me

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Speaker 1: of when Text Winters, the architect of the Triangle offense,

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Speaker 1: said that it's very similar to that where he said

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Speaker 1: you're only a success in the moment that you could

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Speaker 1: complete or you do with successful act that it's not

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Speaker 1: something that's that it's sustained. It's continuing that excellence that

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Speaker 1: provides success. I thought those two things were absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I hope it's never too late to learn that. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying that that's that's what I'm I'm trying to get

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Speaker 1: myself to a point where I realized so like just

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Speaker 1: you know, for for physical and mental and spiritual health,

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Speaker 1: like the rent is do every single day. You can't

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Speaker 1: just depend on a good season or a or a

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Speaker 1: good moment um. Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm definitely working

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Speaker 1: to adopt that, uh, that that level of of of

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Speaker 1: perspective and and and pay the proverbial rents on a

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Speaker 1: daily basis. Yeah. And he also gave some really good

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Speaker 1: perspective on recruiting impact well and how much time, effort,

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Speaker 1: and energy it takes to recruit a kid, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and I like, it just takes you away from your family,

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Speaker 1: all those things, And I just thought it was very insightful.

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Speaker 1: And he also gave coaches tips on how to get

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Speaker 1: into coaching. And it's not just the all this stuff

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Speaker 1: is applicable not only to coaching, but it's also applicable

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Speaker 1: to life because you also have to you know, be

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Speaker 1: willing to stand on a pile of nose for one, yes,

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Speaker 1: when you are entering a new industry, when you are

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to get your business up where you're

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Speaker 1: trying to get your you know, your new career started. Whatever,

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Speaker 1: Like you have to prove your value, prove your worth

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Speaker 1: because just sending out resumes in this day and age

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Speaker 1: doesn't just cut it. Like you actually have to get experienced.

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Speaker 1: And it used to be why the chicken and the

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Speaker 1: egg wall, I can't get experienced. If I don't can't

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Speaker 1: get a job. Now in this landscape, you can create

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Speaker 1: your own experience that that then becomes attractive and people say,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, that can add value to my organization. So

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Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool. Absolutely, you know, availability

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Speaker 1: can get you in the door, but that what's going

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Speaker 1: to keep you in the house, you know. Ye yeah

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Speaker 1: he that was a great interview. And thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles. We appreciate your time,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate your energy. Please make sure that you share

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Speaker 1: the podcast with everybody that you know who loves and

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Speaker 1: enjoys the pas swell um. Yeah. So we're gonna continue

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Speaker 1: to bring guests, We're gonna bring interviews, We're gonna continue

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Speaker 1: to bring all sorts of things. Shoot us what you

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Speaker 1: guys want to hear as well. I'm mad at Unafraid

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