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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: M Chandler Room along with Tyler Stafford and last night

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Speaker 1: the Astros ran out a lineup that featured Jake Myers

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Speaker 1: hitting cleanup, Cam Smith hitting fifth. Uh. They got no

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Speaker 1: hit into the sixth inning by Ranger Suarez and got

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Speaker 1: a go ahead home run from a guy named Cooper

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Speaker 1: Hummel and beat the Philadelphia Phillies one to nothing. But

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Speaker 1: no one's talking about that because the most pressing issue

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Speaker 1: of Astra world at the moment is that Jeremy Pania

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Speaker 1: switched his representation to Scott Boris. This is a new

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Speaker 1: This is a very layered discussion that we're about to

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Speaker 1: have for the next you know, twenty five to thirty minutes, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: I find it fascinating that like this bit of what

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Speaker 1: is just I mean, I report it's news, Like, don't

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Speaker 1: get me wrong, this is news, but like at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, it's a guy two years away

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Speaker 1: from free agency that high a new agent and everyone's

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Speaker 1: acting like it is the apocalypse has arrived. What was

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Speaker 1: your reaction when you found out that Jeremy Penis switched

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Speaker 1: his representation to Scott Wars.

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Speaker 2: He's really good, so he's gonna get the best agent

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Speaker 2: who's gonna make him the most money. That's what I

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Speaker 2: would do should I ever become a baseball superstar. That's

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Speaker 2: that's who I would hire. It's funny, you know, this

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Speaker 2: is a problem that keeps coming up for Astros fans

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Speaker 2: because the Astros keep having really good players. You know this,

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Speaker 2: this keeps happening where you're young, talented people switch agencies

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Speaker 2: and go to Boris, and it's it's a good problem

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Speaker 2: to have. It's it's almost like, you know, the team

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Speaker 2: that leads the league in double plays every year is

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Speaker 2: actually probably good because it means that they have a

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Speaker 2: bunch of runners on and that's why they lead the

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Speaker 2: league in double plays. Leading the league in your young

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Speaker 2: superstars switching to Scott Boris feels very similar where it's like, ah,

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Speaker 2: that's not fun, but you're you're headed in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's I don't know, I like, what what

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Speaker 2: did you think was gonna happen? I guess that's that's

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Speaker 2: where I'm at. It's like, what you're watching Jeremy Payina

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Speaker 2: this year? What what did you think he was gonna

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Speaker 2: do like sign a below market extension, you know, way

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Speaker 2: under his value. While he's having a career year, he's

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Speaker 2: really coming into his own Like, no, he's gonna he's

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Speaker 2: gonna sign with somebody. And again, you know, we'll we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about this. This is not like mean that he

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Speaker 2: can't be an Astro. Scott Boris represented Josel Tuvey, who

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Speaker 2: signed a long term extension with the Astros. It's it's

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Speaker 2: certainly possible. And also, look, this is years away. So

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Speaker 2: same thing with Hunter Brown when when Hunter Brown announced,

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Speaker 2: same thing, like, they're on your team for the next

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Speaker 2: couple of years regardless, and you'll you'll figure it out

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Speaker 2: as you go, And honestly, you hope that over the

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Speaker 2: next few years his price and Hunter Brown's price keeps

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Speaker 2: going up and up, because that means they're producing a

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Speaker 2: ton of value for the Houston Astros, which is good

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Speaker 2: for you right now. And as I've said before, what

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Speaker 2: my dad used to say to me whenever I wanted

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Speaker 2: something is all it takes is money. So switching representation

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Speaker 2: to Scott Boris doesn't mean you're not allowed to sign

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Speaker 2: the player. It just means you have to pay him

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Speaker 2: what he's worth.

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Speaker 1: And all that takes is money, and it's not our money,

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Speaker 1: so we can.

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Speaker 2: It's easy for me to spend it.

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Speaker 1: No, oh yeah, it's very easy. We're going to spend

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Speaker 1: a lot of Jim Crane's money on this podcast. So

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Speaker 1: a couple things too, And I want to agree with

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Speaker 1: a couple of things you said. You know, first of all,

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Speaker 1: they're is this thought I guess among Astros fans. And

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Speaker 1: maybe again maybe because I only got here in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: maybe you have more institutional like knowledge of this, maybe

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Speaker 1: you've been scarred by Scott Morris before. But like there

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Speaker 1: seems to be this thought that like Scott Boris is

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Speaker 1: like the boogeyman, like Scott Borris is like hates the Astros,

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Speaker 1: or like never works well with the Astros, or it's

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Speaker 1: some that that is a weird take for me, because,

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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, jose Al Twove has signed two extensions

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Speaker 1: with the Astros with Scott Morris as his agent. Lance

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Speaker 1: not true. Like you have two members of your current

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Speaker 1: twenty six man roster that are living proof of that.

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Speaker 1: The difference is jose L Tuove never wanted to play

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Speaker 1: I I don't want to go to free agency. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to play anywhere but here. Get it done.

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Speaker 1: Lance mccullar's junior kind of the same thing. Always wanted

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Speaker 1: Scott Boris got that done. Scott Boris works for the players.

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Speaker 1: If a player informs Scott Boris, hey, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to do free free Agency's not my thing. I like

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Speaker 1: it here. I like Houston, I like where I live,

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Speaker 1: I like my teammates, I like the culture. Everything like that.

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Speaker 1: Get it done. Scot Boris will do that. This is

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Speaker 1: not to suggest that Jeremy Pania has not expressed that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in his mouth. He

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Speaker 1: stay here forever. He has never said I want to

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Speaker 1: stay with the Astros forever, to be frank, to be honest,

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Speaker 1: though he's never been asked that he did mention at

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Speaker 1: one point earlier this year that playing for one team

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Speaker 1: for his entire career is something that he has thought about.

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Speaker 1: That is not the most full throated please let me

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Speaker 1: stay be an Astro for life declaration, but it still

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Speaker 1: is something to be mindful of. But to tie all

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Speaker 1: this together, I will remind you that Carlos Correa, when

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Speaker 1: he was a free agent, basically begged the Astros to

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Speaker 1: sign him to a career long extension. He went on

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Speaker 1: the team's flagship radio station on a team run radio broadcast,

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Speaker 1: be an Astro for life. At that point, Carlos Correa

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Speaker 1: on in his free agency, the Astros made him a

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Speaker 1: five I believe it was five for one sixty. I

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Speaker 1: think that was the offer they made him. And at

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Speaker 1: that was nowhere near Carlos Correa's market value, and it

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Speaker 1: became pretty obvious that yes, Carlo's career really wanted to

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Speaker 1: still one of his best friends. He's very with jose

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Speaker 1: bigger deals, like the restraints on the contracts that they've

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Speaker 1: got to Babe, be a little more flexible. Like they've

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Speaker 1: never given anything longer than a six year They've never

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Speaker 1: never guaranteed a player more than one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: one million dollars. And that was to jose Al Tuvey

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Speaker 1: his first extension. Tyler, I'm gonna be honest with you

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Speaker 1: like I can can't say like Jeremy pania with his

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Speaker 1: previous representation, was talking with the Astros about an extension

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Speaker 1: unless that number started with a two. It should have

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Speaker 1: unless the ash there is no reason for Jeremy Panna

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Speaker 1: sort of offer he can't refuse. And when Tyler has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've look, We've talked to ourselves in circles

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Speaker 2: around this a lot. It's worked out for the Astros

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Speaker 2: But you can't really point to any example of a

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Speaker 2: want to bet on that every time. That's certainly not

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Speaker 2: you can decide this is somebody that we do want

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Speaker 2: to lock up. But we've talked about a time and

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Speaker 2: time again. You know, both of us get messages all

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Speaker 2: don't they extend that guy? If it's past a year

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Speaker 2: and that player is good, it is not in their

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Speaker 2: And like, you know, we saw the number floated today

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Speaker 2: but it's five years, one hundred and five million for

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Pania. If he signed that, it would have been

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Speaker 2: that's free, Like that's that would be a terrible deal

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Speaker 2: for Jeremy Payne a relative to what his potential market

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Speaker 2: if that news came out and he signed that this offseason, he.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't They would have the he would have been panned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's he's one of the best players in

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Speaker 2: He's about to surpass his highest career war for a season.

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Speaker 2: one hundred and five million dollar extension like that, especially

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Speaker 2: It's not like he came up like Korea at twenty,

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Speaker 2: where you're hitting free agency at twenty seven. Jeremy Payne

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Speaker 2: at thirty. So if he signed a five year extension,

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Speaker 2: that's thirty two, So you make one hundred and five

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Speaker 2: it's going to keep happening. Scott Wors is going to

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Speaker 2: get all of the best players because that's what he does.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's nothing personal. Like you said, it's

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Speaker 2: not like Scott Wars is out here trying to get

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Speaker 2: make more money from another team at some point. But again,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So first, let's give some credit to some people

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Speaker 2: Like it's not like he was Korea going one to one,

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Speaker 2: and they knew that this was a generator, like this

432
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Speaker 2: stuff happens. You draft people and then they develop really

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Speaker 2: well in the Astro system. Again, we keep talking about it,

434
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Speaker 2: but the Astros have proven that they are able to

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Speaker 2: develop high end talent with less than high end pedigrees.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look at look at your superstars on

437
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Speaker 2: the team right now. It's from Valdez, who you know,

438
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Speaker 2: was not a huge signing, Hunter Brown a fifth round

439
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Speaker 2: pick and Jeremy Panea a third round pick out of

440
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Speaker 2: you know, both of those out of not prestigious programs.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing to say that in the next two and

442
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Speaker 2: a half years the Ashes are not able to find somebody.

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Speaker 2: But regardless, you know, it's still a ways away. So

444
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Speaker 2: right now, you just enjoy having Jeremy Pania on your team,

445
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: and you, like we said, you don't stop negotiating, you

446
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Speaker 2: you don't stop trying to, you know, lock somebody up

447
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Speaker 2: if that's who you really want on your team. And uh,

448
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: as someone who watches Jeremy Panya every day, I sure

449
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 2: would like to continue watching Jeremy Paania every day. That

450
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. But you know, it's not

451
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Speaker 2: like the Astros are just blocked now, and like Scott

452
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Speaker 2: Bors isn't picking up phone calls right, Like, if they

453
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Speaker 2: want to make a real offer, that's, you know, like

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Speaker 2: you said, an offer that they can't refuse. They will

455
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Speaker 2: and he'll sign it and it'll be an astro until

456
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Speaker 2: he's forty five if he wants to. It just takes money,

457
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Speaker 2: and so it's it's a it's a conversation now of

458
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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, it's just a conversation of equals. It's

459
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Speaker 2: Skod Bars who knows what he's doing, and it's going

460
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Speaker 2: to extract maximum value for his players. And yes, I

461
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Speaker 2: can already hear the people saying, well, he you know,

462
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Speaker 2: he held out for this guy and he only got

463
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Speaker 2: one year, twenty million and he missed it. Like, yeah,

464
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Speaker 2: that happens sometimes. But look, there's no scenario where Scot

465
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Speaker 2: Bars is going to allow Jeremy Pania to sign any

466
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Speaker 2: sort of extension that you would not be sick to

467
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Speaker 2: your stomach reading, Like, if it does not make you

468
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Speaker 2: nervous to see a contract, then Jamie Penney is not

469
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Speaker 2: signing that, and he shouldn't. He is young, he's two

470
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Speaker 2: and a half years away from free agency. He's at

471
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Speaker 2: a premium position. He has proven that he is like

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Speaker 2: his floor like his. Like you said, he hasn't even

473
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Speaker 2: been a good hitter the last two years, and he's

474
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Speaker 2: been a four win player that the floor is so

475
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Speaker 2: high for him. Every team in baseball would love to

476
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Speaker 2: have a player like that. He's gonna make money, and

477
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Speaker 2: so that's that's why Scott Wars is here, that's why

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Speaker 2: Jammy Penne has signed with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll it'll take the largest contract in franchise history.

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Speaker 1: Like it's going to take more than six years and

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty one million dollars, and that's what

482
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Speaker 1: jose L Twove got in his pre like not his

483
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Speaker 1: last extension, but the one before that. It's going to

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Speaker 1: take something more than that. It'll take the largest contract

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Speaker 1: in franchise history, just like it would have taken the

486
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Speaker 1: largest contract in franchise history to get Alex Bregman, which

487
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Speaker 1: they should be noted they did offer him. What they

488
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Speaker 1: offered him was the largest contract in franchise history at

489
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Speaker 1: the time. When they offered Carlos Korea five for one

490
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Speaker 1: to sixty, that was the largest contract in franchise history.

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Speaker 1: I don't think either of those numbers get it done either.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're gonna have to get uncomfortable. They're

493
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Speaker 1: gonna have to get uncomfortable. And if they want to

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Speaker 1: do this, and something that we have talked about numerous times,

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Speaker 1: like if extensions are what they want to do, and

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Speaker 1: Dana Brown when he came from Atlanta, that was his

497
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Speaker 1: he was riding that horse well in to Houston. They

498
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Speaker 1: were going to extend everyone. You gotta do it early,

499
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Speaker 1: like you've got to do it, like we've talked about

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Speaker 1: with Cam Smith, like they probably should have done it.

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Speaker 1: They conversations probably should have started like before opening day,

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Speaker 1: like you.

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Speaker 2: Could do it now if you wanted to. I wouldn't

504
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Speaker 2: mind if they wanted to announce an eleven year, two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollar extension for Cam Smith. I'd

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Speaker 2: be okay with that.

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Speaker 1: Think of how many times you guys could go to

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Speaker 1: the zoo. He could probably get them.

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Speaker 2: We can own the zoo.

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Speaker 1: You can own the zoo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, buy a buy a giraffe and put it in

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Speaker 1: I think he'd like that. We've talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: like how this is so far away, and I agree,

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Speaker 1: we're talking a lot about things that aren't gonna happen

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Speaker 1: current team. Gives some injury updates and maybe some things

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Speaker 1: Jord On Alva is a swinging a bat tyler.

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Speaker 2: Hey, okay, we got another injurying.

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Speaker 1: We got another injury report. Like name. We did it,

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Speaker 1: like names, body parts.

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Speaker 2: We changed the trajectory of the Houston Astros organization. You're

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Speaker 2: welcome everyone, It was all us.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we deserve a playoff share, at least

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Speaker 1: like half of a playoff share. If this team makes

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Speaker 1: a playoff or.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and five million dollar extension, I will take

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Speaker 2: that as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they're t I to spend it, then

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Speaker 1: I'll you know what, I'll take half, I'll put it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can split it. There you go, we can split

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Speaker 1: the one hundred and five million dollars extension. So Jordan

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Speaker 1: Alvarez is swinging a bat. Don't know a ton beyond that,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that he is swinging about is a

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Speaker 1: meaningful step in the right direction. He hit off a tee.

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Speaker 1: I believe on Sunday he was supposed to hit off

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Speaker 1: of a tea yesterday, I presume he did it. I

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Speaker 1: did not see him do it. They do that down

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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse where we can't see things in the

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Speaker 1: batting cage. So obviously getting him back would be a

566
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Speaker 1: massive boost that this team needs. But I think a

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Speaker 1: lot more eyes are probably fixated on the pitching, on

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Speaker 1: the returning pitchers, just because I think Tyler and we've

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Speaker 1: talked about this, that's going to influence what they do

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Speaker 1: at the trade deadline, because if they feel confident that

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Speaker 1: Spencer Arighetti, Lance mccullors, Christian Javier Luis Garcia and JP

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Speaker 1: Frantz can all come back in some capacity and offer

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Speaker 1: some effectiveness and meaningful innings, then they really don't need

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Speaker 1: to beat the pavement and give up a ton for

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Speaker 1: pitching upgrades. But if any of those guys have any setbacks,

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Speaker 1: or if any of those guys come back and don't

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Speaker 1: look like themselves, then the calculus changes. Obviously, we think,

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Speaker 1: or I think that you know, Arrighetty and mccullors are

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Speaker 1: those are relatively minor. I mean, Spence Erregetty brook Is thumb.

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Speaker 1: That's not a minor injury, but still it's something that

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Speaker 1: should be easier maybe to facilitate a come back from then,

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Speaker 1: you know, reconstructive elbow surgeries that Garcia and Javier had

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Speaker 1: and then JP France's shoulder injury. Of those guys, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: of those five guys, those five pictures, I just talked about,

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Speaker 1: who do you think, who do you think has the

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Speaker 1: highest floor to like really provide the boost that the

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Speaker 1: middle of this rotation needs behind Valdez and Brown.

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Speaker 2: Hand up. I forgot about JP France. When you said that,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, they have so many people

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Speaker 2: on the injured list that I just straight up forgot.

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Speaker 1: Nice guy likes to shoot things famously.

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Speaker 2: I met him at the Nashville Airport waiting for bags.

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Speaker 2: I recognized his his tattoos.

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Speaker 1: I was like, there, he is super nice dude. I

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Speaker 1: hope you talked to him super nicoe.

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Speaker 2: I said hello, and he said, get away from me.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: It was like the day after the playoff loss that

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Speaker 2: he gave up a ton of runs. Yes, but I

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Speaker 2: was like, hey, great season. I didn't I didn't mention

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Speaker 2: the game that he pitched I think literally like the

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Speaker 2: day before. I'm pretty sure it was like the day

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Speaker 2: before that he did that. But anyway, floor wise, I

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Speaker 2: think I think the answers are obvious. This is the

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Speaker 2: two guys that are closest to coming back. Lance mccollor's

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Speaker 2: you kind of know what you're going to get with

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Speaker 2: him when he's healthy, and knock on wood, he's healthy.

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Speaker 2: No more lifting weights. That has long been my policy

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Speaker 2: to getting injured is I don't lift weights, and it's

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Speaker 2: worked out well for me.

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Speaker 1: So that's so that's why you don't work out.

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Speaker 2: That's why I didn't want to. I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: get injured and hurt my team by by lifting weights. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And Spencer Righetti is a good picture and there's no

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Speaker 2: reason to expect that he's not. You know, he didn't

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Speaker 2: have any like structural issues, right Like, it's not like

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Speaker 2: you said, it's not a shoulder, it's not an elbow.

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Speaker 2: He broke his thumb. He should be able to come

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Speaker 2: back and be pretty close to what he was before.

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Speaker 2: But the one that I'm most anxious about is Christian Xavier.

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Speaker 2: Christian Aavier when he's rights, as we've seen, is unhittable

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Speaker 2: and he has proven that on multiple occasions that teams

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Speaker 2: are not able to get hits off of him in

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Speaker 2: a single game. He's been out for a while. He's

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Speaker 2: not going to come back until the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: He already had lower ve low than most other pictures

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Speaker 2: in the same kind of tier as him. And you know,

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Speaker 2: he lived on throwing ninety two mile an hour fastballs

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Speaker 2: down the middle and have people swing through them. If

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Speaker 2: that's ninety miles an hour, I don't know, you know.

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Speaker 2: So that's one that I think the floor is a

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Speaker 2: lot lower because there's a very real chance the Christian

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Speaker 2: Aaveer just doesn't have it this year, whether he's not

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Speaker 2: worked up enough or you know, like I said, the

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Speaker 2: Vilo's just not there. And he was skating on thin

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Speaker 2: ice really when he when he's pitching, because he's not

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Speaker 2: just blowing guys away like he he relied a lot on,

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Speaker 2: you know, that that spin rate and it being confusing

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Speaker 2: to hitters and stuff. And so I do fear that

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Speaker 2: if he loses a step there, that a lot of that,

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Speaker 2: you know, could could cause him trouble. But he's the

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Speaker 2: one that I think you look at you when you

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Speaker 2: start constructing your October. You know, pitching Staff is a

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Speaker 2: guy that man if he's coming in in the fifth,

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Speaker 2: sixth inning and can give you two innings, and you know,

646
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Speaker 2: it looks like the Christian aviy Or of old. I

647
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: think he's the one that could be like a secret

648
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: weapon for the Astros in the playoffs. But yeah, you

649
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: hope Aragedy and mccolors can come back and provide you

650
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: length over the remainder of the season. But those are

651
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: the guys that I really am my eye on.

652
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: Can I say something like not controversial, but just like

653
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: that I don't think is being like discussed a ton

654
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: Spencer racea comment on that. I'm good, I'm gonna I'm

655
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: gonna sit that one out. Spencer Arraghedti has a four

656
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: point six oh major league era in his career. Like

657
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, like and I don't want this to

658
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: be anything against Spencer Orraghedi, who was a young pitcher

659
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: still learning the league, still getting his feeding foot his

660
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: foot under. I don't know what I'm got it. He's

661
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: trying to get his footing in the big leagues. He

662
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: has made a grand total of thirty one major league appearances.

663
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: It is very hard to judge a guy off of

664
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: thirty one major league appearances. I think are we overvaluing

665
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: maybe what he can bring. I think at his best,

666
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: you saw him at the end of last year. At

667
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: his best, he is. He can miss bats, he can

668
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: get you deep in games. He's got a little red

669
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: ass in him. He's got, you know, a nice temperament

670
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: of a very competitive guy, kind of like a little

671
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: bit of Hunter Brown, not without the Detroit toughness of

672
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: Hunter Brown. Like he's the same kind of model there.

673
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: But I mean you look at the numbers, like, I

674
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: don't think this is the guy that like you want

675
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: to say, like, oh, like he's gonna come in and

676
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna automatically like just the ceiling's never been hiring

677
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 1: and going to raise the floor. Like I think we

678
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: need to temper maybe some expectations for him, especially a

679
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: guy that hasn't pitched in two and a half months

680
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: with a broken bone in his pitching hand. So I

681
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: wonder how much that enters the astro's calculus as they

682
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: approach the deadline, too, because do you go with if

683
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: there is a person you can get, I don't know

684
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: who it would be. Is there someone out there that

685
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: is more of a known commodity, that is more an

686
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: established guy that has done this for multiple seasons, that

687
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: has the track record and the consistency that maybe Spencer

688
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: Aragedtty doesn't have. And this is not to suggest that

689
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: Spencer Aragedty's gonna come back and they're just gonna go

690
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: away from He's gonna slot right back into the rotation.

691
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: They're gonna have huge expectations for him, and if he

692
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: goes out and pitches, well, then this conversation is stupid

693
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: and I look like an idiot, But I do wonder

694
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: how much that enters into their calculus though, that this

695
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: is still a young pitcher that really hasn't had a

696
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: ton of big league experience relative to maybe what they

697
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: could get at the deadline.

698
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, you're right. Spencer Aragedty is not

699
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: your mirror top end starter. He certainly has, like we said,

700
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: the ceiling, I mean, he struck out ten point six

701
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: guys per nine last year. That's not nothing he can

702
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: He can certainly do it. Again, when you're talking about

703
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: roster construction for a season, you need five healthy adults

704
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: to pitch in your starting rotation who can go five

705
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: six innings and not get blown out. Smiterregetty does that

706
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: on a relatively consistent basis. He's gonna have some stinkers

707
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: every once in a while. He's gonna have some games

708
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: where you know, he goes seven and a third and

709
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: strikes out eleven and you're like, whoa, this guy's awesome.

710
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: But overall, you know that you're getting five and two

711
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: thirds and three runs on average from him, and that

712
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: is a very valuable player to have in the regular season.

713
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: And then when the postseason comes, that's a guy that

714
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: if there's not someone that he is clearly better at,

715
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 2: you know, to be your your third or fourth starter.

716
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 2: That's a guy again who can dominate out of the bullpen,

717
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: you know, in the postseason. So you're right, like, he's

718
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: not going to come back and like fix the astras

719
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: problems in the rotation. He's not a a seismic upgrade

720
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: over any of the guys who are filling in right now,

721
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: other than you're pretty sure you know what you're gonna

722
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: get from him on most days, which is which is valuable.

723
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the same way that Jeremy Pania playing

724
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: every day and having a four win floor is valuable.

725
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: Like you know what you're getting for the most part

726
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: in a Spencer Araghedtty start, and so yeah, that that

727
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: is certainly someone who you can look to to provide value.

728
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: But you're right, like he's not coming up and gonna

729
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: save your season, certainly judging my track record now again,

730
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: Hunter Brown was terrible a year ago, so like it's

731
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: not to say that Spencer Araghetti does not have that

732
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: in him. I didn't appreciate that Detroit comment. How dare

733
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: you disrespect Sinco Ranch high school and their toughness?

734
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: Uh?

735
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: Saw that band play a lot in high school. I

736
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: was dating the drum major of Baytown Sterling's band and

737
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: Cinco Ranch was in the same district. So I can

738
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 2: tell you one thing. Their band is very good and scary.

739
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: So I assume that translates over to the pictures that

740
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: they've graduated to the big leagues in Spencer Getty, So uh,

741
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Like yes, Timber expectations he's not going

742
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: to you know, become a coaes with with Fromber and

743
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: and Hunter Brown. But he is a good picture and

744
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: you know what you're getting, and that's that's valuable.

745
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: How dating how to dating the drum major? Workout? For you.

746
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: It was great. We were on time everywhere, but no,

747
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: it was it was great. Didn't work out. That's not

748
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 2: who I married. But she's a wonderful person. And uh

749
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: yes dated the drive, So I got really good at

750
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: counting time like this. This is how cool I was

751
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: in high school. I wasn't in band, but I went

752
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: to all of the band. Do you know how much

753
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: of a loser you have to be to not even be?

754
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: And I was the I was the like cheer section

755
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: for the high school band. I was very cool and

756
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: popular in high school.

757
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: You were you were, You were out for love like

758
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: you go where you go where your true love is.

759
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: Sorry Alisha, sorry Alicia. One thing, one thing Spencer Aragedy

760
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: will help with, and this is undeniable. Colton Gordon has

761
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: an eighteen percent with rate this year. Ryan Gusto has

762
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: a twenty four percent with rate this year. Spencer Araghedtty

763
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: has a career twenty eight percent with rate. Neither Gordon

764
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: nor Gusto really missed a ton of bats. Gusta really

765
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: only misses bats with his fastball. His secondary stuff is

766
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: really not evolved yet. Colton Gordon misses no bats. He

767
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: throws just a ton of strikes and relies on week

768
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: contact or contact that goes right. Two guys Spencer Aghatty

769
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: can get I mean you just said he strikes out

770
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: ten guys per nine innings. He can miss bats a

771
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: lot better than the two guys that are in the

772
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: back of the rotation now, so that is one place

773
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: where he will really really help this rotation that really

774
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of issues at the moment.

775
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: Just for context, real quick, I just so everyone understands,

776
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: ten point six batters per nine striking out that's insane.

777
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: Do you have any guests as to what justin Verlander's

778
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: twenty year career, what his strikeout for nine is.

779
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: I'd probably say, like in the high eight.

780
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: It's nine eintly like ten point six is stupid, and

781
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: again it's been one season's worth of innings basically, but

782
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: again his ceiling is a lot like That's why you

783
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: look at a guy like that as opposed to as

784
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: you said, Gusto and Gordon and the other fella who.

785
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: Who played I still have I still haven't met him.

786
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I covered the allegedly and I still haven't met him.

787
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a different person from Colton Gordon, and I.

788
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: Could I.

789
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: Knew that. And but again, look, his his ceiling is

790
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: much much higher than those guys. That's why you're excited

791
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: to have him back. He's still super young, you know. Heck,

792
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: maybe maybe they can get him to sign an extension

793
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: with a cast on for for something now before he

794
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: comes back out, Maybe float the Pania extension and see.

795
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you're right, he's He's not somebody

796
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 2: that you're relying on that you're just like waiting with

797
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: Beta Bread to come back yet. But he's he's somebody

798
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 2: who get excited about for sure.

799
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Spencer, he would take a hundred he

800
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: would take one hundred and five million dollars.

801
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: Quit talking down on these guys.

802
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: You're so mean, I know, I know.

803
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 2: Why do you hate the Astros? You sound why want

804
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 2: they trade fromber.

805
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: You sound like they're you sound like half their team employees. Now, yeah,

806
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: Spencer A. Getty would take a hundred five million dollars

807
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: if if Dana Brown offered it, maybe he will.

808
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: You know how much Jeremy Pania has made in his career.

809
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: I would probably Well, you are you counting his draft bonus?

810
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: He probably didn't get a huge draft I doubt he

811
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: got thinking about I'm.

812
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: Looking at his career earnings through twenty twenty five on.

813
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: He made probably not more than like three or four

814
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: million dollars.

815
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's eight so it does include the signing bonus,

816
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: so he got half a million, and then oh yeah

817
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: he was here, so he got four million. This year,

818
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 2: he's made eight million dollars in his career, which, again, good,

819
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: that's that's a lot of money. It does show you that, like,

820
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: to turn down one hundred and five million dollars is

821
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: like that takes some gumption, man, Like, that's that's a

822
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: lot of money to turn down. It's the right decision ultimately.

823
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: But this is the point of why you have to

824
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: offer people contract extensions way before they hit arbitration, way

825
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: before they have an idea of like, this is my

826
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 2: ceiling that I could get. Not to like trick them,

827
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: but like, look, here's generational wealth for you and your

828
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: great grandkids. We're taking a risk because you may not

829
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: be worth this, but you're taking a risk because you

830
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: may end up being worth more than that, and hopefully

831
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: you can get another contract after that. You meet in

832
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: the middle. But you can't do that in year four.

833
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: They're too close to free agency at that point. So

834
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: I've had people say, why don't they extend Paratees. Paratees

835
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: is not signing an extension. I mean maybe he would

836
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: if they if they offered him a ton of money.

837
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: But same reason Payne is not signing extension, same reason

838
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: Hunter Brown's not signing an extension. They're they're too close

839
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: at this point to free agency, and they're they're gonna

840
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: take their shot on that because look, every year, some

841
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: team signs somebody to a crazy contract. I mean, look

842
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: at look at Xander Bogart's the Padres signed him to.

843
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: I mean I think they gave him a key to

844
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: the city. It's like, what three hundred and something million dollars. Uh,

845
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: And he is just certifiably not good anymore. And but

846
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: but he's gonna be fine. He's making so much money. Like,

847
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: that's why you don't sign an extension early.

848
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: Would you like to know who negotiated that contract for

849
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: Xander Bogart's that got him the key to the city

850
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: in San Diego.

851
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: Eleven years, two hundred and eighty million dollars, he has

852
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: signed through twenty thirty three, and he has an eighty

853
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: seven OPS plus as a thirty two year old five

854
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: years out.

855
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: Would you like to guess who? Would you like to

856
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: guess who negotiated that contract?

857
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: Was it Scott Bors?

858
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: It was, which is why Jeremy Pania now has him

859
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: as his representation, and it is why one hundred and

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Speaker 1: anything can get done with Jeremy Pania before he hits

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Speaker 1: free agency, because that is probably now near non existent

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Speaker 1: because of his new representation in Scott Wars. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys listening to this and hearing our rambling about

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Speaker 1: The oceans and the tides could rise and we could

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Speaker 2: I hope the kids are listening to those.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't put the don't some positivity, don't put this

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Speaker 1: with Josh Reddick to recap the rest of this Philly

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Speaker 1: Tucker to see To preview that series, we'll do that

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Speaker 1: with Josh Reddick on Friday, but until then, thank you

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