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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do big day for American domestic politics. Hard

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Speaker 1: to believe, but the Iowa caucuses are today. The weather

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Speaker 1: is absolutely horrendous everywhere, and so we'll see whether that's

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Speaker 4: We'll break that down for you. Sagur and I've got

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Speaker 1: We're also taking a look at the way that Trump

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Speaker 1: has decided at the very last moments here to go.

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Speaker 4: MSNBC Brilliant, which we will tell you it has turned.

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Speaker 1: Out a lot of our support is independence, but also

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Speaker 1: some Democrats who may crossover. So we'll take a look

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Speaker 1: at that. Ron DeSantis is receiving a participation trophy in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if he can surpass expectations and get back

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Speaker 1: in the game. At the same time, we're also marking

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Speaker 1: one hundred days of Israel's assault on Gaza. Will breakdown

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Speaker 1: the very latest from you. There some pretty stunning comments

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Speaker 1: in line with that, we actually, it appears, have suffered

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Speaker 1: our first casualties in that war in our.

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Speaker 4: Backing up of Israel. So a lot to break down

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Speaker 1: In the latest fallout from our strikes on Yemen, which

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Speaker 4: To be taking a look at the case of a.

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Speaker 1: Journalist who died imprisoned in Ukraine without the American press

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess we should also mention, Oh, that's right,

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Speaker 1: Huge developments with regards to Israel and the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 1: We have now passed one hundred days since October seventh,

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Speaker 1: So these are the sort of just like blatantly racist

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Speaker 3: In the bottom. I mean that's usually the case.

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Speaker 2: Eventually this will consolidate and always does to control for resources.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. Actually, if we could go ahead

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Speaker 4: This is the Egyptian border, the Rafa.

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Speaker 1: Crossing that we have been discussing quite a lot, and

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Speaker 1: of reasons. Number one, it is obviously a massive infringement

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Speaker 1: we're hearing all this rhetoric about oh, we're shifting to

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Speaker 1: We haven't really seen that, but this is a massive,

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Speaker 3: They're just like the Taliban. They're like a drug cartel

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Speaker 1: In fact, they've gone backwards in terms of their stated

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Speaker 1: That when Tony Blinken, our Secretary of State, was there

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Speaker 3: It's much smaller, you know, more homogenous.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, my point being that there, he's much more

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Speaker 2: policy towards us out It's as Biden is frustrated and

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Speaker 2: running out of patients with Netanyahu, US officials tells me,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like the ninety ninth story, now,

441
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Speaker 2: you know, leaking behind the scenes. At a certain point,

442
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Speaker 2: either back in or don't. And this is where it's like,

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Speaker 2: what are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Are we you know, it's unequivocal support on the back end,

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Speaker 2: but then always covering our ass in the press. Either

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Speaker 2: call them out in public and pull the support and

448
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Speaker 2: tell them to wrap it up, or back them one

449
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Speaker 2: hundred percent, you know, honestly, but they're trying to have

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Speaker 2: it both ways is just ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion. I mean, really, what I think we

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Speaker 3: need to do.

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Speaker 2: What I've seen in the past, now, what I've seen

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Speaker 2: some even Obama people float is Biden needs to press

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Speaker 2: for a change in government in Israel.

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Speaker 3: And look, I know that this, you know, sounds a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit like interfering, but at this point, you know,

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Speaker 2: giving the intertwinement of the two governments, I think we

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Speaker 2: should just make it clear, like, look, Bebet, we don't

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Speaker 2: have any confidence in you. So it's like Israel, you

461
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Speaker 2: guys can figure it out. But until we see long

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Speaker 2: term change and you actually, you know, change your government,

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Speaker 2: you have somebody who can speak properly on your behalf,

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Speaker 2: then you know, us support it's just not going to

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Speaker 2: happen for this interim peer because at this point, I

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Speaker 2: mean's just putting us in such a precarious position. We're

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Speaker 2: about to talk now about the likely unfortunate casualties you know,

468
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Speaker 2: already in a war they're suffering right now, and this

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Speaker 2: is costing America billions of dollars, you know, from the

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Speaker 2: shipping from I mean, look, I can add up the

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Speaker 2: bill for all the bombs that we just put on Yemen,

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Speaker 2: and it's probably well over one hundred million if we

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Speaker 2: don't even include all the resources that we've deployed, and

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Speaker 2: just in general, like this was my same critique of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Think about the amount of brain space that this takes

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Speaker 2: up for the US military, for the American president, and

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Speaker 2: for decision makers in Washington.

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Speaker 3: That is the most precious thing in the world. It's like,

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Speaker 3: the entire.

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Speaker 2: World is currently revolving around this conflict, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: if that's going to be the case, then like we

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Speaker 2: should have less of impotent role I think in it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say so. I would say so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't with these endless pieces about

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Speaker 1: how frustrated they are and how they're trying so hard

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, et cetera, et cetera. I want you

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Speaker 1: to think about how completely bizarre this is that you

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Speaker 1: have the president and his aides leaking to Axios that

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Speaker 1: they are basically in disagreement with their own policy set

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Speaker 1: by the President of the United States, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is this president.

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Speaker 1: It's the one who has set no red lines, unconditional

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Speaker 1: support rushing weapons bypassing Congress to rush these weapons, and

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Speaker 1: the two thousand pounds bunk or buster bombs that are

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Speaker 1: being dropped on civilians. So if you really are frustrated

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Speaker 1: with the war effort, you sure have a funny way

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Speaker 1: of showing it. It dovetails with this always frequent feigned

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party impotence, like pretending like, oh, things are just

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Speaker 1: happening and we have absolutely no control of them. No,

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Speaker 1: you set the policy, you set the strategy. You are

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Speaker 1: the ones who have made it very clear that yes,

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Speaker 1: you may do a little bit of hand ringing, but

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're going to give Israel,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to give Natanna who every single thing

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Speaker 1: that they want.

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Speaker 4: So of course they're not going to listen to you.

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Speaker 1: Of course, babe, he's going to go on Heybrew, you know,

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Speaker 1: in Hebrew language, on Israeli news and be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we told them we're not stopping. We're doing whatever the

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Speaker 1: hell they want, and this is our war. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, we think you should attack Aroun next. Like,

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Speaker 1: of course he's going to feel entitled to do that

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Speaker 1: because that is the policy that you set. So to

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Speaker 1: go to the press, and I have to say too,

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Speaker 1: like these reporters just lay this out totally credulously based

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Speaker 1: on you know, whatever it is that the officials are

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Speaker 1: saying without providing any context that hey, if they actually

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Speaker 1: had a problem with it, there are weapons. There are

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Speaker 1: tools that we could use, including not shipping them the

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Speaker 1: weapons that they want until they do the things that

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Speaker 1: you supposedly claim that you care about. But just to

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Speaker 1: give you, you know, a very clear sense of how

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Speaker 1: this is not at all dissonant. Bibe's policy is not

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Speaker 1: at all dissonant with the Biden administration policy. The White

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Speaker 1: House just put out their statement about one hundred days

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Speaker 1: of war. How many times do you think they mentioned Palestinians?

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Speaker 1: How many times?

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Speaker 4: Zero? Zero?

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Speaker 1: They did not mention Palestinians, the massive death, the hunger,

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Speaker 1: the starvation. They did not mention it a single time. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: if you're a bb Netanyaho, you're looking at that, you're

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Speaker 1: looking at Joe Biden. Okay, he hung up on the

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Speaker 1: phone with you in a huff twenty days ago.

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Speaker 4: Who cares? Who cares?

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Speaker 3: Soccer?

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Speaker 1: I thought there was an extraordinary quote in that Axios

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Speaker 1: piece from Senator Chris van Holland, who is a totally like,

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Speaker 1: you know, party supporting standard issue democrat, who says for

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Speaker 1: now net now who appears more willing to listen to

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Speaker 1: ben Gevier and Smotrich than to what the President of

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Speaker 1: the United States says.

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Speaker 4: And it is no surprise why that would be.

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Speaker 1: First of all, he's ideologically aligned with that's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two is that they actually are willing to threaten

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Speaker 1: to withhold their support, break up his coalition, and undermine

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Speaker 1: his power base. So yeah, they have a lot more

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Speaker 1: power and they have a lot more say. Even though

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration would like to pretend there's some fringe

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Speaker 1: voices irrelevant to the government, we have a democratic senator

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Speaker 1: here who, by the way, was just in the region

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Speaker 1: who was saying, not the case, not the case. These

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Speaker 1: people actually have a lot of influence, way more influence

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Speaker 1: than the President of the United States is willing to exert.

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Speaker 2: Well, why wouldn't you have more influence like Biden is

555
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Speaker 2: willing to back him, and that these people are actually

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Speaker 2: control his political future. So I actually think it's quite

557
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Speaker 2: of irrational move on his part. But listen, we're probably

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Speaker 2: just not going to change anything about it.

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Speaker 3: So it is what it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, there has been stunning revelations that

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Speaker 1: two US Navy seals have been lost at sea in

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Speaker 1: the near Yemen, off the coast of Somalia, in what

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Speaker 1: has been described as a mission to essentially board ship

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Speaker 1: at night and try to intercept weapons that they believed

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Speaker 1: were going from Iran two Yemen. That piece has now

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Speaker 1: been confirmed that that's the mission that they were on.

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Speaker 1: Here is John Kirby getting asked about this.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: We receive that report about two Navy seals missing off

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Speaker 7: the coast of Somalia. They were attempting to board a

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Speaker 7: small ship believed to be carrying weapons from Iran to Yemen.

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Speaker 8: What is the status as far as we know that

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Speaker 8: that search is still ongoing for those two sailors that

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Speaker 8: are in the water, and we hope to.

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Speaker 6: Get some updated information today. But we're obviously watching this

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Speaker 6: very closely.

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Speaker 7: This is directly related to what is going on.

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Speaker 8: This was not related to the strikes in Yemen, and

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Speaker 8: this was normal interdiction operations that we've been conducting for

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Speaker 8: some time to try to disrupt that flow of weapons

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Speaker 8: supplies to Yemen.

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Speaker 6: So not related to the strikes that we took against

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Speaker 6: the Hooties.

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Speaker 7: But still in this region, the Hootis, as you just

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Speaker 7: mentioned there, say the motivation here is they're trying to

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Speaker 7: get back at Israel's allies. That's a justification they're using

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Speaker 7: for attacking some of these ships. Does the US assess

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Speaker 7: that these coalition strikes will deter the Houthies or are

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Speaker 7: you bracing for retaliation and an open ended conflict.

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Speaker 8: I think it'd be polyannish for us to think that

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Speaker 8: there could or may not be some sort of retaliatory

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Speaker 8: strike by the Hooties.

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Speaker 6: We're watching this very very closely.

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Speaker 8: We've taken the requisite necessary precautions in the region to

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Speaker 8: make sure we're ready for that if.

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Speaker 6: That should occur.

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Speaker 8: These strikes were meant to disrupt and degrade their ability

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Speaker 8: to conduct these strikes, and so we think that we

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Speaker 8: had good effect on that. We're still assessing the battle

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Speaker 8: damage assessment of those strikes, but we think we had

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Speaker 8: good effect.

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Speaker 6: We'll see what happens. The Houthis have a choice to

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Speaker 6: make here now, Margaret, and the right choice is to

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Speaker 6: stop these reckless attacks.

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Speaker 8: And no matter what they say, this is not about

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Speaker 8: punishing Israel. I mean, one of the ships they took

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Speaker 8: a shot at yesterday was Panamanium flag that was taking

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Speaker 8: Russian oil had nothing to do with Israel.

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Speaker 7: So it may be an open ended conflict. We don't

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Speaker 7: know if deterrence has been established.

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Speaker 8: Nobody wants a conflict with the Hoothies. We're not looking

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Speaker 8: for a conflict with the Yemen here. We're trying to

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Speaker 8: get these attacks to stop.

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Speaker 1: So you can see there he tries to distance the

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Speaker 1: mission that these Navy seals were on from our strikes

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Speaker 1: on Yemen and on the Hoothys.

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Speaker 4: But these are very clearly.

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Speaker 3: Linkedinsc total bs.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually really upset about it because it's obvious. Look,

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Speaker 2: you cannot tell me that these are normal operations. We

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Speaker 2: don't normally have US Navy seals who are bound like

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Speaker 2: boarding ships openly in the middle of Somalia with weapons

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Speaker 2: bound for Yemen. This is obviously a new policy that

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Speaker 2: was put into place as part of this so called

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Speaker 2: coalition where we're trying to shop stop the weapon shipments

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Speaker 2: from Iran to the Hoothies to prevent attacks in the

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Speaker 2: Red Sea. For some reason, this responsibility has wholly come

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Speaker 2: upon the United States, even though this is supposedly a

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Speaker 2: conflict that involves Israel. Okay, so now we're involved in

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Speaker 2: it and now I mean, look, I hate to say it.

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Speaker 2: These two Navy seals are lost its seede now for

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Speaker 2: days in the middle of the ocean.

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Speaker 3: That is horrible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I look, I hope, I hope to God

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Speaker 2: that they are found alive. Imagine me the family members

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Speaker 2: are to these guys, you know, and listen, they certainly

637
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Speaker 2: like in terms of the mission and all of that.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those where we have to think about

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Speaker 2: what was the strategy, what were we actually doing here?

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Speaker 2: This was involved to try and prevent weapons flows from

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Speaker 2: Iran to the who these which are attacking ships. But

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Speaker 2: the thing is is that all of that for the

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Speaker 2: center of gravity is Israel and is Gaza, and you

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Speaker 2: know that's why you put it correctly. It appears that

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Speaker 2: these are going to be the first direct look, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say casualty yet, the first at least

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Speaker 2: like directly affected American soldiers, other American service members other

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Speaker 2: than the ones who've already been attacked in Iraq and

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Speaker 2: in Syria, ye who were directly involved in a combat

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Speaker 2: operation or some sort of operation that was directly involved

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Speaker 2: in the conflict here, which I look at this is

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Speaker 2: really tragic.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these guys.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what a horrible, horrible situation for their command,

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Speaker 2: for the people were involved, for their teammates, and for

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Speaker 2: their families and everyone else involved, and we just have

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Speaker 2: to think about, like what is actually going on here

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Speaker 2: and what were these guys doing. And the truth is

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Speaker 2: is that this was all because the Hoothies are attacking ships,

660
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Speaker 2: which they say is because of the situation in Israel

661
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: and in GODSLMA. I got no love for the Hoothies,

662
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: and I got no love for anybody you know who's

663
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: attacking ships or anything other than that. If I thought

664
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: that we could solve this problem by bombing, I'd be like, listen,

665
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. The issue is is that, as I

666
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: said from day one, you know, the Saudi's bomb these

667
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: people Kingdom come for nine straight years and lo and behold.

668
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: In the so called battle damage assessment, which I know

669
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Speaker 2: we're about to get into Crystal, they said they only

670
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: destroyed ten to twenty percent of their offensive capability, and

671
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: that over eighty percent remains not only capable, but way

672
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: harder to destroy because it's all mobilely launched, which means that.

673
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Speaker 3: We could be in a way worse situation.

674
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: I mean just today the news broke that the that

675
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: there was a Yeah, the US has its shot down

676
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: a hooty missile named a U aimed at a US

677
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: Navy ship.

678
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: It only today this happened, and not in this case.

679
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: Listen, shooting in a Panamanian tanker carrying Russian oil whatever,

680
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: all right, Like that's way less of our responsibility. This

681
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: is at the USS Laboon, which is a US destroyer

682
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: four forty PM yemen time anti ship cruise missile. These

683
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: things are no joke. Luckily we have good defense. But

684
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: what if it doesn't. You know, it only takes one

685
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: and then we're in a whole other different situation. Yeah,

686
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: that's what I worry about. That's what I worry about

687
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: the most.

688
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: Well, and let's just put some more details up on

689
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: the screen that we know is from the Washington Post.

690
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Everything we know about what happened with these Navy seals.

691
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this is the official story right

692
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: of what happened here. Who really knows? Okay, navy seals losses. See,

693
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: we're searching for Yemen bound weapons shipment, so we have

694
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: confirmation of what was being said there. It went around

695
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: near Somalia last week. They were dispatched to look for

696
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: suspected Iranian weapons bound for militants in Yemen, which has

697
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: become a staging ground for repeated attacks on commercial vessels

698
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: in the Red See. The two service members who went

699
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: missing were preparing to board the ship in rough seas

700
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: when one of them slipped from roladder. The second sailor,

701
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: seeing their comrade fall into the water, dove into help.

702
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: The official set on the condition of anonymity to describe

703
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: early assessments. This occurred Thursday in the Gulf of Aden.

704
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: They've been missing since Thursday. Guys not immediately clear whether

705
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: other military personnel successfully boarded the ship, or if so,

706
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: whether any Iranian made weapons were located. Again, I say

707
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: this is the official stories that they fell into the water.

708
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: It is very possible that that is not actually what happened,

709
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: but both the attempt to distance this action from the strikes,

710
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: the bombings of the hu thies in Yemen, and also

711
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: potentially you know, I don't know what actually happened here,

712
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: but if they are lying and they were actually killed

713
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: by Iranians and they're saying they fell into the water

714
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: to avoid escalation, I support that lie. I'm just going

715
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: to go ahead and say it straight up.

716
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: But well, I would support it for their family members.

717
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: It's just one of the look, it's just it's awful

718
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: because in I view, they are both trying to directly

719
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: involve US soldiers you a service member, yes, in this,

720
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: and then distance themselves from it when well, things go out.

721
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: That's why you don't put our troops at risk unless

722
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: it's actually one hundred percent worth that. You don't send

723
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: people to go and board a ship unless you're like,

724
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: unless you know it's for something that directly involves us,

725
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 2: which is really important to our overall security.

726
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: Well, obviously the reason I say that is just because

727
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: I want to avoid war with a rob I want

728
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: to avoid that escalatory spiral that you're talking about that

729
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: we are dramatically at risk of because because of what

730
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Israel is doing in Gaza. I mean, all of these

731
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: reports act like this is just happening out of nowhere,

732
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: and again like we're powerless to stop it or do

733
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: anything about it. When there was a ceasefire, this all

734
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 1: stopped the attacks on our service members in a rock

735
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: that almost killed them by the way, we came this close.

736
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: It hit a military barracks where they were sleeping and

737
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: by the luck of God, the universe, whatever you want

738
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: to say, thankfully they were not killed. Okay, these attacks

739
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 1: in the Red Sea dramatically decreased, because this all stems

740
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: from conflict that we are directly involved in, regardless of

741
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: what Joe Biden wants you to believe in the handwringing

742
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: reports that they released to the press.

743
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 4: So what the hell are we doing here?

744
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: I ask again, let's go ahead to E four, guys,

745
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: so we can see this strategy. Even if you want

746
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: to say, like, okay, you know it's we're not going

747
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: to call for a cease fire, so I guess we

748
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: have to bomb the houthis what are we even doing

749
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: here when it didn't even work? The New York Times

750
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: is reporting their offensive ability remains intact after the US

751
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: led air strikes, so it's not like we even were

752
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: effective at degrading the Hoothy capabilities to continue to strike.

753
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: So there's that you also have. We can skip ahead

754
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: to E seven. You have even the Rand Corporation before

755
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: this happened, saying that this is an absolutely foolish strategy.

756
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: One of their analysts wrote this for a magazine here, saying,

757
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: don't bomb the hoofies because.

758
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: It's not going to work. It's not that they're opposed.

759
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: The Marine Corporation famously like hawkish, but they say this

760
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: is decades of experience have shown military efforts to just

761
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: lodge the hoovies are unlikely to be effective. Like if

762
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: bombing the houthies would work, as Sager has said it

763
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: said in the past, they would already be gone like

764
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: that would be done and finished. The Saudis have been

765
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: bombing them for quite a while now to little impact.

766
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: If anything, this bolsters their hand domestically because it is

767
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: a uniting issue. The support for Palestinians is a uniting

768
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: issue within Yemen. There were huge, huge demonstrations in the

769
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Yemeni capital of Sanna after the US struck these sites

770
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: in Yemen. By the way, let's put this next one

771
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: up on the screen from Ryan Peterson after the US

772
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: and UK navies launched missile attacks on land based Hoothy

773
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Speaker 1: targets and Yemen. Instead of setting a signal the Red

774
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: Sea is now safe for ships. This morning, sixteen more

775
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: vessels that had been en route to transit the Red

776
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: Sea had instead diverted around Africa. So congratulations, you made

777
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: the shipping situation worse. You made it worse because guess what, guys,

778
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: do you really want your containership to go through what

779
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: is now an active war zone thanks to the US

780
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: in the UK. So you didn't degrade their capabilities, You've

781
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: made the shipping situation worse and put E nine up

782
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: on the screen.

783
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 4: By the way, oh, oil.

784
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: Prices went up after our strikes on the hoo Thies,

785
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: So way to go, guys, brilliant, brilliant strategy. You've done

786
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: nothing but put US service members at risk. You've done

787
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: nothing but expand the danger of this war and the

788
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: possibility of greater conflagration. You have made the shipping situation worse,

789
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: and you caused oil prices to go up. Brilliant fricking strategy, guys.

790
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: Way to go.

791
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: Yes, teams are the only ships left in the red

792
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: or US Navy ships, US or UK ships. I should laugh,

793
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 2: but it's not funny because there now they're getting fired

794
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: on as of literally this morning, and just that anytime

795
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: look low grade situation. This is the thing about asymmetric

796
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: warfare is we quote unquote destroy whatever ten to twenty percent,

797
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: and if anything, whatever you hit first is usually the

798
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: easiest stuff to hit, which is whatever comes tax is

799
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: way harder to hit. It's just like the North Koreans

800
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: anybody else with who wants to display asymmetric power.

801
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: What do you do?

802
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: You make it difficult, and so you other camouflage. You

803
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: put it on the back of a truck and you

804
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: move it around. And with modern you know, technology involving

805
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: attack drones as we've seen from the hooties and with

806
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: the missiles, you can have a pretty significant impact for

807
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: not that much money. So, if I've said it too,

808
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: you can solve this one way. Militarily you have to

809
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: occupy yemit. I don't want to do that. I don't

810
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: think that's worth it at all. There's another way, which

811
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: is we could have diplomacy as this we're actually recommend

812
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: you read that, you know, the Rand article because it's

813
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: in Foreign Afairs magazines. Well it is, and she points out,

814
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: you know everything that I've talked about before about the

815
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: bombing campaign and about previously about how if there's militarily

816
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: capable we talked about this already too with Gaza now

817
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: for like one hundred days. Literally at this point, I'm like, listen,

818
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: if it was easy to if we were gonna win

819
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: a war for the populace destroyed insurgency with bombing alone,

820
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: then we would have come out Vietnam as the greatest

821
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: victors of all mankind. It turns out it's a lot

822
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: more difficult than that. Yeah, the issue, you know is

823
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: the same thing you know here. But look, I think, look,

824
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: we really could be, you know, near breaking point, as

825
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: you say, because what we are waiting and looking for

826
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: is a conflagration type event. The Red Sea, like the

827
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: initial bombing may be that not going to set it off,

828
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: and if anything, it may not even happen Crystal, It

829
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: may not even happen in Yemen. Yemen is just the

830
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: latest indicator of the fortieth order consequence of destabilization. It

831
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: could happen with the Rafa military operation we just talked about.

832
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: Do you remember early on in the war when Israeli

833
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: tank actually fired on Egypt and everyone just kind of

834
00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: looked the.

835
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 3: Other way, They apologize, They're like, oh, we're really starry.

836
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean, that was serious, that was serious business. It's

837
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 2: you know, this is what I keep saying. It only

838
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: takes one thing. Two navy seals here likely you know,

839
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: they're missing. You know, hopefully we are able to find them,

840
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: but who knows. The US is clearly going to try and.

841
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 3: Cover that up.

842
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: But what if there's one more what if we you know,

843
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: like you said, barracks. God, hey, can you imagine a

844
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: scenario where five US service guys are killed in the

845
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: barracks in Iraq?

846
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: That's I mean, what's going to happen.

847
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: There's also people, forget this, there is a peace process

848
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: going on inside Yemen.

849
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: They're also I don't know if people know this.

850
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: The Iraqi Prime Minister and the US right now are

851
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: in major negotiations or we're keeping our troops actually in

852
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: the region. The Biden administration wants to stay. The Iraqis

853
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: want us out.

854
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 3: We'll see.

855
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I want us out too, but obviously they

856
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, they're trying to keep us in.

857
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: Who knows what that situation will look like like. There's

858
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: big diplomatic problems.

859
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: I think all over Saudis are very unhappy with these

860
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: strikes on Yemen because, yeah, they were in the middle

861
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: of a peace process and trying to resolve this conflict

862
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: and not have endless war.

863
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: And this is before we even mentioned the.

864
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: Fact they didn't seek congressional authorization. The strikes are illegal,

865
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 1: Biden's being criticized, but we're actually on Rocana on tomorrow

866
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: to talk about this aspect as well. But even if

867
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: you don't care about that, if you don't care about

868
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: the Constitution, you don't care about striking them a sovereign nation,

869
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: if you even put all of that aside, like it

870
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: is a stupid strategy that has already failed and backfired.

871
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: So, you know, brilliant work, guys. Way to go.

872
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, we actually are running into a bit of

873
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: a scheduling thing.

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Speaker 2: We've got an interview that we have to do and

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Speaker 2: we don't want the show to be too late, So

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Speaker 2: my monologue will post later today sometime on YouTube, and

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Speaker 2: we'll tack it onto our podcast maybe tomorrow. So just

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Speaker 2: excuse the scheduling thing. We've got a lot going on

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Speaker 2: here with all of that. But otherwise, we will have

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Speaker 2: a breaking news tonight about Iowa, and then we will

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Speaker 2: also have a show early for you tomorrow morning with

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Speaker 2: Ryan and Emily here at the desk, will break everything

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Speaker 2: down about what happened with the results of the Iowa caucuses,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see you all then