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Speaker 3: season addition for hanging with the boys, and today is
Speaker 3: the eighteenth, which means that kicks off the voluntary portion
Speaker 3: of the off season. Now, the voluntary portion of the
Speaker 3: off season is you can do some meetings, you can
Speaker 3: do some strength and conditioning, you can do some rehab work.
Speaker 3: But you're getting the guys back in the building, Guys
Speaker 3: who are far and wide and they all seasoned homes
Speaker 3: and they're traveling guys are now starting to trickle back in,
Speaker 3: starting to come back in as we're getting closer to
Speaker 3: the draft. Now you're starting to see those pieces come together.
Speaker 3: Of course, you see, we live in the day and
Speaker 3: time now with social media, so everything now has to
Speaker 3: be posted or it didn't happen. Uh. You see Dak
Speaker 3: Prescott and company, even Zike Elliot's valve out there in
Speaker 3: the dockyard and they're getting some work in. Guys like
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Speaker 3: So there's there's a bunch of.
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Speaker 3: Get a mobile home right there. But we're gonna just man,
Speaker 3: we're all across the board today. Kurch not here, but
Speaker 3: he always does a great job. And you can never
Speaker 3: discount the value of teammage works where he still sends
Speaker 3: us to run sheet and what we're going to talk about.
Speaker 3: And I think I want to start here.
Speaker 4: Okay, start where you want to start.
Speaker 3: Yes, And Jalen Hurts, Yes, sir got his contract, Yes, sir,
Speaker 3: five years million.
Speaker 4: Garn this, sir, are your money back? I don't think
Speaker 4: you give it back. He shout out to jail I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say this, and no trade clause.
Speaker 3: That's important, But shout out to Jalen Hurts. Here's what
Speaker 3: I admire about Jailen Hurts. And I feel the same
Speaker 3: way if I ever get in the power of position
Speaker 3: a position of power. Jalen Hurts has an all female team.
Speaker 3: His agent is a woman, his publicist, his marketing, every
Speaker 3: ever even his mom even, I mean.
Speaker 4: I hope she's a woman.
Speaker 3: But for Jalen Hurts, I love that. I love because
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you. If you want something
Speaker 3: done right, hire a man. If you want something done well,
Speaker 3: hire a woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I just I'm telling you, like, if you want
Speaker 3: it done well, that's more than right. If you want
Speaker 3: it done well and then and in time and then
Speaker 3: coordination of what's happening, go ahead and hire some women
Speaker 3: to do that thing. Let's let's let's move past that.
Speaker 3: But Taylor her signs his new deal. Now we're all
Speaker 3: looking around and we're saying, what does that mean for
Speaker 3: our Dak Prescott and for the Cowboys? Because I think
Speaker 3: this now kicks off the the the much anticipated weight
Speaker 3: because when you look at what quarterbacks are due, Lamar
Speaker 3: Jackson still looming around there and what he wants with
Speaker 3: his deal, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, are some other quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: Dak's potentially getting a new deal, So there are some
Speaker 3: other quarterbacks that have to get new deals done. One,
Speaker 3: what does this mean for Dak? Two? What does this
Speaker 3: mean for the Dallas Cowboys On getting a deal done
Speaker 3: with Dak Prescott?
Speaker 5: Let me.
Speaker 4: Let me say this first, and I will never begrudge
Speaker 4: any player getting this money because I think the guys
Speaker 4: who's went on the picket line and did what they
Speaker 4: had to do so I can get my money, and
Speaker 4: I think guys that you know. But this is what
Speaker 4: I say. If it's not gonna be team friendly, we
Speaker 4: can wait on Dak. And I'm just being honest because
Speaker 4: I would not have a problem with guys that have
Speaker 4: been to Super Bowls, guys that have been made deep
Speaker 4: playoff runs, I have no issues with them. If your
Speaker 4: team deems that you can toe your team, which this
Speaker 4: kid kind of shows you that he could tow this team,
Speaker 4: and when he wasn't there, they couldn't get a replacement
Speaker 4: for him. And I'm not saying that Dak can be replaced,
Speaker 4: but I'm saying, if there's another four year you know, no, man.
Speaker 3: Now, let me tell you something that's interesting. I'm looking
Speaker 3: at it between the two contracts because remember in the
Speaker 3: year twenty twenty three that we're entering in right now,
Speaker 3: Dak's cap pit is twenty six point eight million dollars.
Speaker 4: That's right, not too bad, no, not at all.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four though, oh boy.
Speaker 4: It ain't no old boy. It's like what you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Do twenty What you're gonna do twenty twenty four? Yeah,
Speaker 3: Dak's cap hit is fifty nine point four million dollars
Speaker 3: you gonna do and now, but the Cowboys have to
Speaker 3: come to a cross shoord. And I think they they
Speaker 3: When you look at recent big contracts for the Cowboys,
Speaker 3: they offer two. They got hood winked on the Ze deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, z Zeke got the rolled with him, got
Speaker 4: yeah with him, he got him. Yeah, Zike stuggo.
Speaker 3: Right then when it came to the Dak Prescott dead,
Speaker 3: Remember we could have got Dak, And I say we
Speaker 3: they could have got Dak four twenty five, twenty six,
Speaker 3: twenty seven, twenty eight million dollars.
Speaker 4: Now, let me stop you there. You know I say that,
Speaker 4: and I remember being on that train. But did Dak
Speaker 4: really want to sign, you know, to see?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: I think he did. I think he did. Think I
Speaker 3: think the Cowboys didn't offer him because you remember he
Speaker 3: was on that rookie He's on a round pick rookie deal, right,
Speaker 3: making a couple hundred thousand dollars, maybe maybe close to
Speaker 3: a million dollars. If you told me I was going
Speaker 3: from making a million dollars making twenty eight million dollars
Speaker 3: a year. Right, I'm on it because again that that.
Speaker 4: Was a drunk. That's that's mega jump. That's mega man.
Speaker 3: That is that is an enormous I mean, that's that's
Speaker 3: that's Nate new looton belt loop.
Speaker 4: Is a belt lo it is. Yes, I've come down. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: but he you know what cowboys.
Speaker 3: They they they pumped, faked, and they said we're gonna
Speaker 3: see and we're gonna see again. And then what happened
Speaker 3: was like this situation, people started getting their deals done,
Speaker 3: which then now yesterday's price is not today's price. And
Speaker 3: when it was twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, twenty
Speaker 3: eight million dollars potentially then jumped to forty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're.
Speaker 3: Talking about fifteen million dollar jump on what you could
Speaker 3: have done opposed to what you ended up doing because
Speaker 3: you gambled on the fact is he is he what
Speaker 3: he really is? Do we think he's a franchise guy
Speaker 3: instead of just go ahead to pull the trigger. So
Speaker 3: now that Jalen Hurts is out the way, every contract
Speaker 3: So now Jalen Hurts kind of has set a new
Speaker 3: market or whatever it may be, because he's the highest paid,
Speaker 3: second highest paid per average, right, but when you look
Speaker 3: at his numbers, Jalen Hurts contract over the next three years,
Speaker 3: I think one of them is like thirty one million
Speaker 3: dollars twenty something million dollars as far as a cap hit.
Speaker 3: So it's still friendly, so the team can continue to
Speaker 3: build around him.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you something, man, And that's why you
Speaker 4: hear me say, if you're just gonna sign another four
Speaker 4: year deal in three years, you're gonna be back in
Speaker 4: the same position. And now you're going to tell the
Speaker 4: nation all cowboy fans, well, we can't put anybody around
Speaker 4: this guy if if it's about winning somewhere somehow your
Speaker 4: agent got to see that. And people say, well, I
Speaker 4: think dak agent saw that. Well, okay, if he did.
Speaker 4: Here we're back in this fourth year and we're talking
Speaker 4: about fifty nine million against the cap, so a decision
Speaker 4: has to be made and and and games got to
Speaker 4: be played. Yes, and this is a big year because
Speaker 4: we're if we're we're we're in the first round and
Speaker 4: going home again. And you can look at your quarterback
Speaker 4: and say, wow, we could have won these game because
Speaker 4: Dak played so well.
Speaker 3: So Jalen Hurst's cap pit over the next four years
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three six point one five million dollars, twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four thirteen point five six million dollars, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: twenty one point seven seven million dollars, and twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six thirty one point seventy seven million dollars. Those are
Speaker 3: the cap pit numbers. Now, those are the numbers. We're
Speaker 3: talking about a team friendly deal. Now he has five years,
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy nine million dollars of that is guaranteed.
Speaker 3: But when you look at the cap pick, that's what
Speaker 3: we're always talking about. The cappit, the cappit, the cap pit.
Speaker 3: Those are team friendly numbers. Those are below what quarterbacks
Speaker 3: are getting per year just on just on the tag loan. Yes,
Speaker 3: so that gives them an opportunity. And you got to
Speaker 3: give shout out to their front off because they've been
Speaker 3: they've been putting on the clinic. The Eagles front office
Speaker 3: have been putting on an all out clinic clinic on
Speaker 3: how to build and put together a team and still
Speaker 3: not be over the cap and strapped for cash.
Speaker 4: And can go out and get top free agents that
Speaker 4: are sitting home. That's saying, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 4: to camp. I've been played, I don't played eight years.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go to camp. But they still
Speaker 4: seem to go out and get that right defensive tackle.
Speaker 4: They get that right secondary piece that they can pay. Okay,
Speaker 4: here's a one year deal, three mil dollars, come on
Speaker 4: in here. It ain't a one mil. A one year
Speaker 4: deal one million dollars away. You know everybody's got that.
Speaker 4: So they they they put on the clinic. I gree
Speaker 4: with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But now I think the thing comes to the point
Speaker 3: whereas okay, we know basically sixty million dollar cap hitting
Speaker 3: next year, right, so I think the Cowboys out of
Speaker 3: crossroads again because us to your point, this is the
Speaker 3: last this is potentially the last year from Mike McCarthy, right,
Speaker 3: unless he wins big, he's probably gonna be replaced and
Speaker 3: then maybe Dan Quinn replaced him and maybe someone else
Speaker 3: that replaces him. But also this is coming into year
Speaker 3: eight or nine for Dak Prescott. Are you out of
Speaker 3: crossholds of saying he is what he is? Or there's
Speaker 3: still more to come? Because if you go out you
Speaker 3: got him, weapons, you got him. Brandon Cooks, you Ceedee
Speaker 3: Lamb is growing your.
Speaker 4: You know, gallop off second year.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll see if you if you take, we'll see
Speaker 3: We'll see what my gallup turns out to be. We'll
Speaker 3: see what Jayla Toper turns out to be. All these
Speaker 3: guys turned out, all these potential guys. And I remember
Speaker 3: Marvin Lewis told me this long time ago, and when
Speaker 3: I first got to the league in Cincinnati, Marvin Lewis
Speaker 3: said to me, he said, you know what potential gets
Speaker 3: you nothing, bro, He said, potential gets me fired. So
Speaker 3: don't tell me about potential. We got we got two
Speaker 3: of y'all. Come on in, Come on in, Yeah, come
Speaker 3: on in. We got two of y'all. Marble Lewis. Marble
Speaker 3: Lewis said, potential get your fired. So we're begging on
Speaker 3: potential to happen. But that doesn't necessarily.
Speaker 4: Guys, it's three guys gonna play.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 4: Man, Galloway, what's up? Brother Galloway?
Speaker 3: What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? Oretha?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, hold on, hold on, let me get him straight first.
Speaker 3: Okay, get me straight.
Speaker 4: Jalen Tober. It is the only out of the four
Speaker 4: guys you named, he is the only question mark. Michael
Speaker 4: Gallup be ready this year?
Speaker 3: Question mark?
Speaker 4: No, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's a quest Cooks.
Speaker 4: Will be ready, Brandon Cooks, he will be ready and
Speaker 4: ceedee lamb. I told hid the car is read.
Speaker 3: Cooks are gonna be good. But now that your Gallup
Speaker 3: question mark on Michael Gallop question MARKO, jail question mark
Speaker 3: go to be for Hoku question MARKO whoever, whoever the
Speaker 3: the that you draft. And it's still a question mark
Speaker 3: on the two tight ends. No you have here, Nah
Speaker 3: Nah Hendershot and Ferguson. There's still Ferguson is a baller.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 3: The small and the.
Speaker 4: Shot may be a question mark, but I got your answers.
Speaker 4: I got your answer.
Speaker 3: So when it comes down to it, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: a big year for Dak Prescott because and this thing
Speaker 3: about the Cowboys, do you pay him now? And now
Speaker 3: you if you pay him now, if you give him
Speaker 3: a new deal now leading up to this season, you're
Speaker 3: now saying we stuck with you for the next four years.
Speaker 3: We stuck you or our guy for the next four years.
Speaker 3: I'll take you to the year eleven or twelve or
Speaker 3: thirteen or whatever it is. And if that don't work
Speaker 3: out for you, we screwed.
Speaker 4: If it ain't friendly or you gotta be friendly or
Speaker 4: gotta be friendly or yes.
Speaker 3: They gamble again, and they say, we're not gonna give
Speaker 3: you a deal. Now, Well what to the season comes
Speaker 3: and see how you make it through the season and
Speaker 3: if you produce.
Speaker 4: So you're saying him and Mike McCarthy walking neck and neck.
Speaker 4: The three receivers are good to go. The one tight
Speaker 4: end is good to go. That is four weapons right there. Now,
Speaker 4: the other guys you can you can loan shot them.
Speaker 4: But Michael gallup coming and play this year. All right,
Speaker 4: well let's get let's get it. The beautiful people.
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Speaker 4: Man?
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Speaker 3: com slash Draft Now. We talked at nauseum about the
Speaker 3: contract for Jalen Hurst and what that means for Dark Prescott,
Speaker 3: and we all know that this thing starts begins the
Speaker 3: middle portion of it, the intermediate portion of it, and
Speaker 3: ends with dark Prescott. But one of the things that
Speaker 3: we realize that it's gonna come down to who pulls
Speaker 3: the strings, and that comes down to the owner in GM,
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones. Recently on nfl dot com, they ranked Jerry
Speaker 3: Jones the tenth best GM in the NFL. Do you
Speaker 3: think we underestimate maybe not his football mind, but his leadership?
Speaker 4: Oh, he's out. I remember day one coming into the league,
Speaker 4: changing the league and the way they think and how
Speaker 4: they make money and what marketing. You know, some teams
Speaker 4: have four or five marketing guys and gals in the department.
Speaker 4: Now he's hard to find one with less than twenty.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, I understand why they ranked ranked him so
Speaker 4: high because you're talking about he takes it to a
Speaker 4: new level. You know, they said, GM not pro personnel
Speaker 4: director or nothing like that. GM means you running the
Speaker 4: whole thing, and he does a great job with that.
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 3: We've always believed this when it comes to mister Jones
Speaker 3: and his his ability to market, that part we've never questioned.
Speaker 3: We've never questioned the ability to market we never questioned
Speaker 3: the ability to sell, the ability to transform the league
Speaker 3: as a whole. Like he's been a pioneer, he's been
Speaker 3: on the forefront of getting the NFL. The Washington Commanders
Speaker 3: just sold for close now I'm talking about this new
Speaker 3: offeran for seven billion dollars. Like, just take a minute
Speaker 3: and think about that. The Washington Commanders, who have been
Speaker 3: I don't want to say bad things about the people
Speaker 3: over there, but they just haven't been a good franchise
Speaker 3: for a very long time, sold for seven billion dollars.
Speaker 3: That tells me that the marketability of the National Football
Speaker 3: League is at such a high level. And even franchises
Speaker 3: who don't turn out products, who don't have superstar players
Speaker 3: like Washington Commanders outside of the d m V area,
Speaker 3: they don't have a they don't have a national player.
Speaker 3: They haven't had a national player in a while that
Speaker 3: people go out and say, Oh, this guy's top ten
Speaker 3: and Jergiy Sale, he's on commercials. They don't have that.
Speaker 3: They don't have the quarterback, you know, even when they
Speaker 3: have first round picks. They just don't have a franchise
Speaker 3: that has the marketability that other teams do. They don't
Speaker 3: win games. They don't go to championships, they're not they're
Speaker 3: not playoff contenders every single year. But yet they sold
Speaker 3: for seven billion dollars or are going to sell for
Speaker 3: seven billion dollars. I think a large majority of that
Speaker 3: comes from the way that Jerry Jones has made the
Speaker 3: National Football League one of the hottest and most profitable
Speaker 3: leagues in all it's the most it's the hottest league
Speaker 3: of all leagues. Nothing is more dominant than football, and
Speaker 3: so we've never questioned that about him. I think the
Speaker 3: biggest thing that we've questioned him about when it comes
Speaker 3: to the GM portion of it, it's building teams that
Speaker 3: play in January. And if we're being frank about it,
Speaker 3: building a team that plays deep into January consistently has
Speaker 3: avoided him since your days.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Do we give him. We have to give him credit
Speaker 3: for what he's been able to do for the marketability,
Speaker 3: But at what point in time to be the tenth
Speaker 3: pick GM in the league. Is that more of what
Speaker 3: he's doing team building wise, or that more what he
Speaker 3: does in the area of building the league to make
Speaker 3: it a watchable product.
Speaker 4: This is the thing it seemed like every three, maybe
Speaker 4: every four years, something bad happened to the Cowboys, and
Speaker 4: we'll fall and get a decent draft pick, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden we back in it for three four years.
Speaker 4: So besides the January stuff, you can look for nine, ten, eleven,
Speaker 4: maybe twelve wins out of the Cowboys and what ten
Speaker 4: on average. So they're always lurking around the playoffs or
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Our biggest issue has always been what
Speaker 4: happens in round two. That's where the Cowboys are lacking.
Speaker 4: That is why they still can sell and do what
Speaker 4: they do. Now. Missus Jones has took his ability to
Speaker 4: market the way he has and turned this thing two
Speaker 4: hundred and so when you trying to say GM running
Speaker 4: the team team building, it's not bad. It's better than
Speaker 4: a few of the team We can go with the
Speaker 4: name about ten teams where that ain't happening. He always
Speaker 4: keep this franchise in your mind, on the edge, on
Speaker 4: the outside of your mind. You always, oh yeah, and
Speaker 4: the Cowboys too. And I'm talking about that's guys in Washington,
Speaker 4: that's guys in La Oh yeah, the Cowboys too. Whereas
Speaker 4: in this central location we're number one. So so you
Speaker 4: take the team building where he's number one in marketing,
Speaker 4: and he may be number fifteen the team building. You
Speaker 4: just bring it right the number ten. I got you, yeah,
Speaker 4: I got you yeah.
Speaker 3: And to transition from there, you hit on a good
Speaker 3: point about about drafting right, drafting the players and Jerry
Speaker 3: does the hiring for guys like Mike McCarthy, who is
Speaker 3: now in a position where he's coming up on this
Speaker 3: draft and it's starting to catch a little team. We
Speaker 3: were watching a little bit here on the TV about
Speaker 3: what the Cowboys were going to do at their pick,
Speaker 3: and everybody has their mock drafts coming up, you know
Speaker 3: right now, mock draft this, mock draft that. And I
Speaker 3: like to say, not to pat myself on the back,
Speaker 3: but I've been two months ahead of this whole thing
Speaker 3: about tight ends I have. I've been. I've been two months,
Speaker 3: two three months ahead of this thing about what I
Speaker 3: wanted as far as draft capital. But a tight end
Speaker 3: is the way that they go. History has shown that
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy has never drafted a tight end earlier than
Speaker 3: the third round. And his time at Green Bay where
Speaker 3: he was the head coach, the head Honchel calling all
Speaker 3: the shots over there, does that change this year? Talking
Speaker 3: about team building. Does that change this year? Guys like Kincaid,
Speaker 3: guys like Michael Myers. There are a few the other
Speaker 3: kid out of Washington, Washington, out of Georgia. I mean
Speaker 3: there are there are a few in this because you've
Speaker 3: already come out and said, well, he's gonna be good,
Speaker 3: totally gonna be question marks to me. Do you add
Speaker 3: a tight end to this mix? Do you go get
Speaker 3: you what Mike McCarthy has always done.
Speaker 4: They got him going twenty eighth, This Peter.
Speaker 3: Guy got Peter Schragger, got this.
Speaker 4: Guy going twenty eighth to to what is the Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 4: and he got us with a running back coming out
Speaker 4: of Bama. And I told you off a joking, you
Speaker 4: can do whatever you want in the first round, but
Speaker 4: we need this tight end and we need some lineman.
Speaker 4: So do whatever you want in the first round, you know,
Speaker 4: flashy flash, whatever you need to do to make it
Speaker 4: look good. But we can't mess up the second and
Speaker 4: third and fourth round. We gotta have some lineman because
Speaker 4: if you don't get yourself in lineman, we're gonna be
Speaker 4: centerpres saying, well, you know that's sad that ain't on
Speaker 4: run game, and we'll be going. You know, well, then
Speaker 4: we get a wide receiving the first round. Shouldn't he
Speaker 4: Should he be so good that he can overcome that.
Speaker 4: You know, it ain't happening yet. So I'm with you
Speaker 4: that Darnelle Washington. It's a man. I seen some film
Speaker 4: on him. M I mean he first year Abama didn't
Speaker 4: play much. Second year Obama didn't play much. This year
Speaker 4: here came in a little banged up, got healthy, and
Speaker 4: he's been he was balling. Now, somebody told me around
Speaker 4: a four to six forty, I do not care when
Speaker 4: it go, go get a football player. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: all about the numbers to it to a certain extent,
Speaker 4: but man, you just do the six seven, two hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy pounds. Man, this dude was chunking linebackers and
Speaker 4: defens vends into the next twilight. And so I'm like,
Speaker 4: you know, you say the Ferguson is not a question
Speaker 4: marked to me. I think he's gonna make a great
Speaker 4: leap this year. Hinder shot, it's got away. But you
Speaker 4: do what you want in that first round, but don't
Speaker 4: mess around pick two, three and four, don't history.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys have done really well in the first round.
Speaker 3: I mean, you take out Chaco Charleston, we don't count that,
Speaker 3: we don't count. That's that's a mulligin right, you get
Speaker 3: a muggle again. You get a mull again for that one.
Speaker 3: It's been the second round of the Cowboys have truly
Speaker 3: just flat out bombed. In the last ten, twelve, fifteen years,
Speaker 3: those second round picks have just not produced. And you know,
Speaker 3: you even have guys like Sean Lee, who when Sean
Speaker 3: Lee was on Best in the Business, you just didn't
Speaker 3: know when Seannlee was going to be on because of
Speaker 3: the injury history. So the Cowboys they have some they
Speaker 3: have some work to do in the draft, and maybe
Speaker 3: kind of going against the game maybe a good thing. Like,
Speaker 3: I know, we get to this rhythm of let's always
Speaker 3: do what we do or do what we know, and
Speaker 3: I don't do this and I don't do that. Like
Speaker 3: maybe there's a time where you kind of you got
Speaker 3: to change a game up a little bit, right, in
Speaker 3: order to get something you never had, you have to
Speaker 3: be willing to do something you've never done. And maybe
Speaker 3: this is the time of year for the Cowboys where
Speaker 3: they have to twitch that up, whether it's from the
Speaker 3: coaching perspective, the GM perspective, the scouts perspective to give
Speaker 3: a different look for this football team. And the one
Speaker 3: thing that we'll talk about another tide of this break,
Speaker 3: which is your specialty. We hear so much and this
Speaker 3: comes to your point. Is this is on the lines
Speaker 3: of your point where the Cowboys need to go and
Speaker 3: get offensive linemen so much so we hear about position
Speaker 3: flex on the offensive line. Is that a smart thing
Speaker 3: or is that this new age thing that just just
Speaker 3: ain't it? Ain't it, don't don't think old school. Have
Speaker 3: a broad perspective on this. We'll get your thoughts on
Speaker 3: the other side of this break. Please stay right here
Speaker 3: with them. This is hanging with the boys. We'll be
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Speaker 3: Back to hang in with the Bulls. Welcome back to
Speaker 3: hanging with the Balls on this Tuesday off season. To
Speaker 3: dissing the voluntary workouts kind of have begun, the conditioning,
Speaker 3: the weight room stuff. I was walking in and I
Speaker 3: saw the guy and I was like, man, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't miss that. I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: miss having to come condition And that's how I know
Speaker 3: that when my time was done with the league, that's
Speaker 3: when I knew because I used to enjoy that stuff
Speaker 3: like I used to like wake up in the morning
Speaker 3: to work outs. Today, I used to pull the bikes
Speaker 3: out of the stationary bikes, out of the weight room,
Speaker 3: on to the to the to the to the outside
Speaker 3: cement and ride in the sun. I just wanted. I
Speaker 3: wanted that. I wanted. I used to love going out
Speaker 3: there running routes for conditioning.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Two things like you run the route treat right, you
Speaker 3: run a hitch boom, catch it, sprint five yards, throw
Speaker 3: the ball back, line up, run a slant, catch it,
Speaker 3: sprint five yards, run, put the ball down, line back up.
Speaker 3: You do it all the way down the field, do
Speaker 3: it all way back that about four. I used to
Speaker 3: love that stuff.
Speaker 4: Now I look at on this, yeah, and I used
Speaker 4: to go. I started winness getting a single marge fry.
Speaker 4: Then I ride down the road about another hour, stop
Speaker 4: being tucking fried chicken, Get me a two piece. Then
Speaker 4: I go in there there, yeah, yeah, because I was snacking.
Speaker 4: So I go, did I get it a car, ride
Speaker 4: out the road and get me a water burner. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 4: Then at the end of the day, I have me
Speaker 4: a four pieces, four super large y'all our fresh fries
Speaker 4: with some beer and that would be bore. I would yeah,
Speaker 4: and I would eat it out of the sun so
Speaker 4: I can sweat you can sweat it up. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: what I would do.
Speaker 7: Baby.
Speaker 3: Oh, But that has begun, and that just tells us
Speaker 3: that we're getting closer to the drift and Nate to
Speaker 3: yours point. The game is won and lost in the trenches.
Speaker 3: Whether your offensive line is able to dominate the defensive
Speaker 3: line or vice versas your defensive line when to dominate
Speaker 3: the offensive line. That's where football games are won. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you go all the running and the passing and the
Speaker 3: quarter but if you can't protect, you got quarterbacks worth
Speaker 3: a half a billion dollars. You got quarterbacks worth a
Speaker 3: quarter billion dollars if you cannot protect. And you always
Speaker 3: hear the term quarterback friendly. That is a term which
Speaker 3: I don't look at it negatively. That's a term that
Speaker 3: is to me universal in the team aspect. If you're
Speaker 3: an offensive minded team, everything that you do has to
Speaker 3: be quarterback friendly, even on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 3: Do I have a defense that's going to give my
Speaker 3: quarterback the best opportunity to succeed. Early in the year,
Speaker 3: when Dak Prescott got hurt and they have what was
Speaker 3: a backups name Cooper Rush. The defense became quarterback friendly.
Speaker 3: It was, hey, here's what we have to do to
Speaker 3: give our quarterback the best chance to win. Whether that
Speaker 3: means we got to create turnovers, score our turnovers, hold
Speaker 3: people under the league average, that's quarterback friendly. Offensively, quarterback
Speaker 3: friendly is what type of offense that we're running. What
Speaker 3: are the weapons that we put around them. There is
Speaker 3: not one quarterback in the National Football League that can
Speaker 3: produce without weapons. So when you hear about we need
Speaker 3: to put weapons around our quarterback, no crap sharlock. Every
Speaker 3: quarterback needs weapons to succeed. Now, which ones you need
Speaker 3: to cite moren that's up for debate depending on that quarterback.
Speaker 4: But to me.
Speaker 3: And I know for you, the quarterback friendly part of
Speaker 3: this is the Cowboys have to start up front. And
Speaker 3: we've beginning hear different terminology, especially since analytics has come
Speaker 3: into the play. We've heard this term of position flex
Speaker 3: where you are bringing in more guys that are that
Speaker 3: have the ability to play multiple positions across the offensive
Speaker 3: line and other positions as well. But really kind of
Speaker 3: going away from sturdy dominant. I'm a left tackle. Hey
Speaker 3: I'm a right tackle. Hey I'm a center, or I'm
Speaker 3: a guard. It's more and so like, hey I'm a
Speaker 3: swing tackle. Hey I'm a guard slash center. I'm a
Speaker 3: center slash guard. And for the Cowboys, you're hearing so
Speaker 3: much about position flex?
Speaker 4: Is that a one?
Speaker 3: Is it a good thing from your perspective across the league?
Speaker 3: But most narrowing it down in the vacuum, is that
Speaker 3: a good thing for the Cowboys to have offensive linemen
Speaker 3: that have position flex?
Speaker 4: If you have five super athletes, that's cool. But when
Speaker 4: you're when you don't have five number one picks or
Speaker 4: high second round picks, now that's not cool. You go
Speaker 4: find a guy, put him at a position, let him
Speaker 4: work next to a guy that's at his position, and
Speaker 4: let them guys work every practice that they are healthy together. Now,
Speaker 4: your seventh and eighth guy is those flex guys. You know,
Speaker 4: even your sixth guy should be dominant at one position,
Speaker 4: you know, and then your seventh and eighth guy, those
Speaker 4: are your flex guys, your swing tackles, your guy that
Speaker 4: can play guard and snap the ball. But all this,
Speaker 4: you know, getting a guy that's not good at nothing,
Speaker 4: that's like having two quarterbacks. You know you don't have
Speaker 4: a quarterback. And when you go to saying, well, I
Speaker 4: got three guys that can play for five positions, that's
Speaker 4: where you better start looking because the gates gonna open
Speaker 4: up and and where they really open up at is
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. So, uh, I got a guy here, man,
Speaker 4: I mean, he's ain't the most handsomest guy, but it's Jazz.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna put him up here. This guy right here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just look at that.
Speaker 3: You see that Jazz no fronts?
Speaker 4: Yeah, second round pick right there? Where is it from
Speaker 4: the quarter stay? Yeah? Yeah, So you make sure Cody,
Speaker 4: you look for Cody, Man, look for him. That's who
Speaker 4: we need right there. That's sir Cody, That's who we
Speaker 4: need the second round. You know that just just I mean,
Speaker 4: I just he's tough, he's me. He don't care about
Speaker 4: how you look, so evidently take a picture like you
Speaker 4: don't care about how you look. So I need me
Speaker 4: some guys. It's gonna change the culture, gonna help change
Speaker 4: the culture. Man. He's the guard. And everybody keeps saying,
Speaker 4: you don't draft the guard in the first round. You
Speaker 4: don't draft the guard in the first round. You get
Speaker 4: your draft the tackle that can play guard, Well, you
Speaker 4: know what, we drafted the tackle that can play guard.
Speaker 4: Guess what he wound up playing tackle. His name is Smith,
Speaker 4: and we drafted him last year as a as a tackle,
Speaker 4: Tyler Smith, Tyler Smith, and now he played guard. But
Speaker 4: he's a better tackle. Now we're playing this game of
Speaker 4: whether we're gonna put the Smith and uh steal and
Speaker 4: this guy. Put these guys at a position and let
Speaker 4: them play and build continuity so we can have a
Speaker 4: quarterback that's well protected. So when Michael Galloped busts back
Speaker 4: on the scene, Brandon Cooks and and and uh see
Speaker 4: lamb bust bust on the scene, You'll be like Nate,
Speaker 4: you're right. If Michael Gallup don't do his job, and
Speaker 4: he ain't the guy that I think he's gonna be
Speaker 4: coming back off. This second year off is our knee injury.
Speaker 4: If this guy failed, that's a lot of money. That's
Speaker 4: a lot of money. If you for three on contracts,
Speaker 4: that'll be bad. And I just think Michael Gallup is
Speaker 4: a little bit tougher than people think.
Speaker 3: When it comes to offensive lineman. I always defer to you,
Speaker 3: but I do think you're right I mean the Cowboys
Speaker 3: kind of go back to our first segment is the
Speaker 3: team building aspect of it. They've built that, They've built
Speaker 3: the roster right now, have players in this roster right
Speaker 3: now where there isn't a dire need for a player
Speaker 3: in the draft, like they're not going in the first round,
Speaker 3: like we need a quarterback, we need a receiver, we
Speaker 3: need a No, the roster's pretty set across the board.
Speaker 3: It's now putting in the the pieces that are gonna play.
Speaker 4: I think they do have a position of need.
Speaker 3: But dire needs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, diere need. But they're gonna try to skate.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the different time, no office line. I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, I don't think it's I don't understand. I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a there's a need. There's a difference
Speaker 3: between having a need and a dire need.
Speaker 4: Yes one is one is panicky, Ye, dire is panicky.
Speaker 4: They don't.
Speaker 3: We don't if we don't hit on this and we
Speaker 3: don't get this right.
Speaker 4: But Tyron Smith, when you go into when injuries can happen,
Speaker 4: I know this as a player. You know this as
Speaker 4: a player. We're both expert. We know injuries can happen.
Speaker 4: But when you go into a season saying, I know
Speaker 4: this guy gon miss six games. That how you be
Speaker 4: getting getting close to that dire, don't you do? Don't
Speaker 4: you get close to that dire because we have Tyron Smith,
Speaker 4: we have steel. Those are two tackles. We have Tyler
Speaker 4: Smith at the left guard. We have the center and
Speaker 4: the right guard. That's all we have. That's all we have.
Speaker 4: That's all we have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's dire if one of those guys
Speaker 3: go down.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. That Diar is so close, right,
Speaker 4: Dar's so close to you you taking an anxiety pial
Speaker 4: here in a minute. That's how close is for real?
Speaker 4: It's the corner, That's what I'm saying. So people say, well,
Speaker 4: this guy and that guy, and oh oh man, these
Speaker 4: guys not proven. Every guy that I did not You
Speaker 4: can go look at the Cowboys roster. Those guys are
Speaker 4: not proven.
Speaker 3: So now not a good time to be be flirting
Speaker 3: around with guys.
Speaker 4: But if but, but but I'm I'm I'm I'm of
Speaker 4: the belief of this. If this guy don't fall to you, right,
Speaker 4: I do not believe in reaching. Don't don't go get
Speaker 4: the kid from Baylor or these other kids that that
Speaker 4: that are out there that a first round picks and
Speaker 4: they're not and the and they really second round guys
Speaker 4: where you can probably move down and get these guys
Speaker 4: and feel good about it. But I don't believe you
Speaker 4: have to draft the lineman in the first round. I
Speaker 4: think you have to have a bulldog scout that will
Speaker 4: go out and get you that ugly guy, not not
Speaker 4: so much ugly as this guy, but.
Speaker 3: Get you mentality, ugly football mentality.
Speaker 4: I was a free agent, Mark Twoen, They was a
Speaker 4: free agent. Kevin Gorgan was a six sixth round pick.
Speaker 4: I make think step Knosky was a fourth round pick.
Speaker 4: It's guys out there, but you're going to have a
Speaker 4: bulldog mentality to go get these guys and to play
Speaker 4: these guys, and to give these guys work not at
Speaker 4: eight positions, but at one position. I just believe that.
Speaker 3: I think I think that's true. And as we get
Speaker 3: into this off season, we'll tin to watch it from
Speaker 3: OTAs too, mini camps, and we'll see how the Cowboys
Speaker 3: kind of put this stuff together. The draft is just
Speaker 3: a week away. Next week, next week, Yeah, twenty eight,
Speaker 3: twenty eighth, Yeah, that's next week. Yeah, that's next week.
Speaker 3: So the draft is a week away and this roster
Speaker 3: will begin to form. We'll we start seeing how they
Speaker 3: put these pieces together, and we'll be right here with
Speaker 3: you every single Tuesday to talk about it. Draft covers.
Speaker 3: You know how we do it here at Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 3: That is Cowboys dot coms. You got Kyle Yeoman's and
Speaker 3: you got Kurt and all those guys put all that
Speaker 3: draft stuff together, and Nick Eatman all they're just they
Speaker 3: just do a fantastic job, way above my pay grade
Speaker 3: to even get involved in all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But we'll see how it goes. But for us, we're
Speaker 3: out of here. Nate, appreciate you man, Audio Jazz, we
Speaker 3: thank you so much. And Black in the back in
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