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Speaker 1: H Hello friends, I'm Robert Evans, and this is once

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Speaker 1: again Behind the Bastards to show where we tell you

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Speaker 1: everything you don't know about the very worst people in

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Speaker 1: all history. We are two hours and change into talking

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Speaker 1: about l Ron motherfucking Hubbard. You listen to part one

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Speaker 1: if you haven't already, don't drop into part three like

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Speaker 1: a weirdo. Although these are kind of self contained stories.

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Speaker 1: In part one, we talked about Hubbard's childhood is incessant

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Speaker 1: decades of lying that time he accidentally bombed metal in

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Speaker 1: the ocean a hundred times, and then the birth of dionetics.

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Speaker 1: Episode two we talked about how dionetics became a fad

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Speaker 1: and then transitioned into scientology, which eventually became a religion.

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Speaker 1: We also talked about time Hubbard kidnapped his baby uh.

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Speaker 1: And now in part three, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: l Ron Hubbard's adventures with his own navy YEA. In

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, Lafayette Ron Hubbard, a fifty six year

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Speaker 1: old grandfather and father of seven whose only prior naval

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Speaker 1: experience involved bombing an iron ore deposit, bought a small

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Speaker 1: flotilla of ships, declared himself commodore, designed uniforms and launched

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Speaker 1: an eight year seaborn odyssey. Yeah, he and his sailors

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Speaker 1: were hunted by the French government, British journalists, the FBI,

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Speaker 1: and god knows how many other state and national intelligence agencies.

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Speaker 1: The story I'm about to tell is one of those

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Speaker 1: reasons I can't quite hate l Ron Hubbard. He was

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Speaker 1: a monster, but he always with the extra mile. Like

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Speaker 1: he he he always did the thing that made him

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Speaker 1: a super villain, and in this case, it was buying

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Speaker 1: his own navy. The world is so full of so

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Speaker 1: many people like Steven Seagal who we just talked about,

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Speaker 1: who like have their own vanity bands, like a rich

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Speaker 1: personal pay artists to hang out with them so that

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Speaker 1: they can pretend to be good. That was not l

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Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard's way. He bought a navy. Eric Prince is

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Speaker 1: So good on both of them, is what I'm saying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's like doing the extra credit of being a piece

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Speaker 1: the mid term. L Run Hubbard. So in September of

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, Hubbard resigned as president of the Church

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Speaker 1: of Scientology. It was just for Shell. He continued to

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Speaker 1: direct his religion and secret and even as he bought

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Speaker 1: a forty ton schooner named the Enchanter via the Hubbard

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Speaker 1: Explorational Company, he bought two more boats, a four four

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Speaker 1: eighty ton cattle freighter. Hubbard paid for a few professional

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Speaker 1: seamen to operate his navy, but the bulk of its

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Speaker 1: sailors were scientologists with no practical seafaring experience, just the

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Speaker 1: type of person you want to have on your boat. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think most nautical experts will agree that amateurs are

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Speaker 1: the best people to manage three thousand, two hundred and

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Speaker 1: entirely by amateurs. Yeah, it's a great idea. One of

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Speaker 1: these volunteer sailors was Virginia Downsborough, a New York auditor

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Speaker 1: and the fact that she had owned a small sail

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Speaker 1: boat as a child. Hubbard put her in charge of

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Speaker 1: refitting the Enchanter, which again was a forty ton schooner. Somehow,

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Speaker 1: mainly because they had unlimited money to do all this with.

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Speaker 1: So that does help. You can be incompetent if you've

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Speaker 1: As we find out, So Virginia got the Enchanter patched

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Speaker 1: a hotel room. He'd had a complete nervous collapse him no,

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Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard, nervous collapse. The guy you kidnapped his own child. Quote.

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Speaker 1: When I went into his room, there were drugs of

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Speaker 1: his tirades against drugs in the medical profession. There was

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Speaker 1: deep depression. He told me he didn't have any more

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Speaker 1: then announced the development of a research accomplishment of immense magnitude.

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Speaker 1: His new brain baby was the material that would become

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Speaker 1: these revelations has caused him horrific injuries. He said he'd

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Speaker 1: intrigued by the concept he presented of himself as being

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Speaker 1: a constant victim of women. He talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: why it was so important to him. I had never

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Speaker 1: When he talked about his first wife, the picture he

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Speaker 1: He said he had planned every move along the way

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Speaker 1: Hubbard victim of women? Wow? I mean, and therefore a

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Speaker 1: feminist icon. Oh? Absolutely. I think he'd be the first

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Speaker 1: sailing to Central America as a child. Yeah. As the

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Speaker 1: Enchanters sailed away from Las Palmas, Hubbard drew maps and

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Speaker 1: gold that he said he had buried in past lives.

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Speaker 1: Hubbard the Enchanter out on extended cruises around the Canary

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Speaker 1: Islands to search for this gold. Quote. He told us

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Speaker 1: he was hoping to replace the Enchanter's ballast with solid gold.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was great fun, the best show on earth,

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Speaker 1: only actual seaman on the boat. Quote. My crew were

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Speaker 1: He is feminist icon Hut. I was instructed not to

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Speaker 1: use any electrical equipment. Apart from Light's radio and direction finder.

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Speaker 1: So using scientology naval tech, the boat ram the dock

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Speaker 1: Jones had a sexton and a watch, which was the

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Speaker 1: A true semen, Yeah, a true semen. It's frustrating because

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Speaker 1: that's totally reasonable to be frustrated at a crew that's

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Speaker 1: were women. That's not really the thing that is shocking

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Speaker 1: to me about the detail. Hubbard developed a new conditioned

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Speaker 1: scale for his growing Flatilla's discipline. You remembery he had

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Speaker 1: were also required to wear that dirty gray cloth rag

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Speaker 1: on their army. Okay. The next serious condition was treason,

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Speaker 1: Hubbard's life. Certain certainly. The fleet gradually assembled, and the

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Speaker 1: other training centers in Scientology's vast domain. These young people

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Speaker 1: were couples. Some even had children, so l Ron Hubbard's

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Speaker 1: navy had a daycare essentially billion years. Yeah, that's yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: there's again there's a lot to unpack with everything that said.

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Speaker 1: If you join the Sea Ork, you're so dedicated that

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Speaker 1: you're not just going to serve Scientology and l Ron Hubbard,

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Speaker 1: who thereferred to was l R H. A lot of

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Speaker 1: the time, you're just going to serve him in this life.

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Speaker 1: When you're reincarnated. You're still under contract. Okay. And then

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Speaker 1: el Ron Hubbard's navy. That just seems responsible, That just

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Speaker 1: seems responsible. The children watched each other and and we're

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Speaker 1: locked in a saloon. Okay, So on his boat around

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Speaker 1: Hubbard locked babies in a bar as I said, responsible. Yeah. Now,

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Speaker 1: Hubbard's child saloon. It stated, okay, I'm ready, you are,

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Speaker 1: with advanced spaceships and stuff. They got near to where

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00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: Hubbard claimed his secret space fleet was waiting, but then

428
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: they got an urgent radio message from his wife telling

429
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: him to come back to the rest of the fleet

430
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: at Valencia. So Hubbard and his crew ended their treasure

431
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 1: surging without any actual treasure. Again. I kind of suspect

432
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: he ordered her to call, right. Don't you hate it

433
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: when you're on the verge of finding your like space

434
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 1: station that's in a cave on remote area and then

435
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 1: your wife calls. She's like, get back here, we need you,

436
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, that's why my self help book

437
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 1: is called find your own Hidden Space Station and don't

438
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: let your wife call you. Stop it you're so good

439
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 1: at titles. Titles are really important. That's what sells a book,

440
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: that's right. And the name Remington's Winchester Colt, Well, Remington

441
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: Winchester Colt. Ruger, I can't use the same suit. You

442
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: gotta add a gun on. You gotta gotta throw one

443
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: other gun onto there, of course, Ruger mcglackowitz. So Hubbard

444
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: had left his wife in charge of the Royal Scotman.

445
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: She had done before he left, something inscrutable to displease him,

446
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: and so he put her and the whole ship in

447
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: the penalty condition. There was even a filthy a rag

448
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: tied to the boat's funnel, even the boats in trouble

449
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: boat shaving. When Hubbard caught up, he was furious to

450
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 1: find the boat anchored at night. He shouted at his

451
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: wife's ship through a bullhorn. Well, well, here's a ship

452
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 1: and liability that thinks that can anchor for the night,

453
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: taking it easy. It might be better training to keep

454
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: your ship moving at night, or are you scared to

455
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 1: keep going in the dark. So he's like basically yelling

456
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: at the boat boats now night. At this point, the

457
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: crew of the Scotman were filthy, exhausted and starving. None

458
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: of them had been able to wash for weeks. It

459
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: was several more weeks before Hubbard would grant them a

460
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: reassessment of their status. He eventually upgraded the boat's crew

461
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: to non existence and agreed to do a full inspection

462
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: to see if they deserved a better condition. When he

463
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: checked over the whole ship, it had been freshly painted

464
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: and polished, and Hubbard was apparently pleased enough that he

465
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: moved on board, made the ship his flagship, and lifted

466
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: the cruise sentence, so that's nice, you can forget. Hubbard

467
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: used less collective punishment after this point, but also more

468
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: strict individual punishments. According to bare Face Messiah, depending on

469
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: his whim, offenders were either confined in the dark and

470
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: the chain locker and given food in a bucket, or

471
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: assigned to chip paint on the billage tanks for twenty

472
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: four or forty eight hours without break. A third variation

473
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: presented itself when Otto Russ, a young Dutchman, dropped one

474
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: of the bow lines while the Royal Scotman was being

475
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 1: moved along the dock. Purple. With rage, Hubbard ordered Ruce

476
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: to be thrown overboard. No one questioned the Commodore's orders,

477
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: two crew members promptly grabbed the Dutchman and threw him

478
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: over the side. There was an enormous splash when he

479
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: hit the water, a moment of horror when it seemed

480
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 1: that he had disappeared, in nervous speculation that he might

481
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 1: have hit the rubbing strake as he fell. The rubbing

482
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: striking it's a part of a boat. Fortunately, Ruce knew

483
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: how to swim and he was able to get back

484
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: on board. But after that, tossing people overboard became a

485
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: Hubbard's favorite punishment. Well, they were all Olympic swimmers in

486
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: their past lives, they all learn how to swim. Well,

487
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. Everyone just sort of went

488
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: with and people were soon throwing their friends and spouses

489
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: overboards at the whim of the Commodore, which is a

490
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: little weird. One member recalled. It was not really possible

491
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: to question what was going on because you were never

492
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: sure who you could trust to question. Anything Hubbard did

493
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: or said was an offense, and you never knew if

494
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: it would be reported. Most of the crew were afraid

495
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 1: that if they expressed any disagreement with what was going on,

496
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: they would be kicked out of scientology. That was something

497
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: absolutely untenable to most people, something you never wanted to consider.

498
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: That was much more terrifying than anything that might happen

499
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: to you in the sea Org. We tried not to

500
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: think too hard about his behavior. It was not rational

501
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: much of the time, but to even consider such a

502
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: thing was a discreditable thought, and you couldn't allow yourself

503
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: to have a discreditable thought. One of the questions in

504
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: a sect check was have you ever had any unkind

505
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: thoughts about L R H? And you could get into

506
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: very serious trouble if you had, so you tried not to.

507
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: So these guys were all doing auditing regularly. They were

508
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: hooked up to the EMAI news, which they thought felt

509
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: they were lying. So people got nervous that if they

510
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: even thought badly about all roun Hubbard, it would show

511
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: up and then get in trouble. I love a good

512
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: mind control, you know. That's really police Religion's the best.

513
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: He built a pretty good thought police religion. Like again,

514
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: he's really good at the things he does other than

515
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: writing science fiction. Back in the day, when I had

516
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: to do like Bringer shows as a stand up, I

517
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get like three people to come to my shows,

518
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: and this guy gets what thousands tounds. It's hard to

519
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: say the exact numbers, but oh man, he's good. He's

520
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: damn good. Eventually, the fleet wound up at Corfu, a

521
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: beautiful Greek island. L Ron Hubbard felt he'd finally found

522
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: a government willing to put up with him because Greece

523
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: had just had a coup and a military dictatorship had

524
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: taken over. He praised Greek democracy, which is ironic when

525
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: it's just been overthrown by a military coup. He also

526
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: renamed his boats in honor of Greek mythology. The Royal

527
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: Scotman became the Apollo, the Avon River became the Athena,

528
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: the Enchanter became Diana. Around this time, the British government

529
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: decided to bar l Ron Hubbard from entry into the

530
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: United Kingdom. On the same day the was announced, a

531
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: BBC film crew had managed to track the cult leader

532
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: in his private navy down in Corfu. They recorded an

533
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: interview with l Ron Hubbard. It's fascinating. In the first

534
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: part of the interview, he claims that all of his

535
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: crew are trained in judo to defend from pirates, and

536
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: then my favorite part is at one point in the interview,

537
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: the interviewer asked him to just explain scientology, just to

538
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: give a very basic explanation of it, and Hubbard fucking

539
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: can't because it's nuts. We're gonna play that right now.

540
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: So you get to see l Ron Hubbard as the

541
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: comic couldn't explain it to the layman, you would have

542
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: a very difficult time. I guess you can't see it.

543
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: The subject of name means skill, which means knowing how

544
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: to know in the fullest sense of the word, apology,

545
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: which is study of So it is actually study of

546
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: knowing nous. That is what the word itself means. The

547
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: sum to me, that doesn't mean very much. I found

548
00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: up for you in theory and increases one's knowingness. But

549
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: if a man were totally aware of what was going

550
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: on around him, he would find it relatively simple to

551
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: handle any outnesses in that. Even after three hours of talking,

552
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: we never got an explanation from him that we could understand.

553
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: I love the journalists. The journalists. Yeah, it's a really

554
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: fun interview. It'll be up on our side. I recommend

555
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: giving it a listen. Um. While in Greece, the Org

556
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 1: working day started at six am and ended at eleven

557
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: pm after a ninety minute nightly speech by l. Ron Hubbard.

558
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah you really gotta like listening to that guy, once

559
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: the York member recalled, we were always terrified of falling asleep.

560
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: L R. H. Would be carried away dramatizing different topics,

561
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: and we'd be pinching each other to stay awake. We

562
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: were terrorized. It was continuous stress and dress. The course

563
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: had not been going long before Hubbard decided that too

564
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: many mistakes were being made during auditing, and he announced

565
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: that in the future, those responsible for errors would be

566
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: thrown overboard. Everyone laughed at Ron's joke. The next morning,

567
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: at the regular muster on the f well deck, two

568
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: names were called out. As the students stepped forward. Sea

569
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: Org officers grabbed them by their arms and legs and

570
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: threw them over the side of the ship, while the

571
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: rest of the group looked on in amazement and horror.

572
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: So also, all of the residents of this Greek island

573
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: are watching as every day people just get thrown off

574
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: the side of this boat, and it just becomes this, like,

575
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: what the fund are they doing? If you've ever spent

576
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: time in a little Greek island. Everyone is a sailor

577
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: on those little islands. Everybody knows that everyone has a boat.

578
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: No one had ever seen ship like this, because it's

579
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: the kind of thing you don't do unless you're a lunatic.

580
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: Ye oh boy. Many of L. Ron Hubbard's young students

581
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: thought this was terrible, but none of them did anything

582
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: about it. On a Altringham, another SORG member recalled, I

583
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: thought it was terrible and humane and barbaric. Some of

584
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: the people on the course, or middle aged women. Julius Salmon,

585
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: the continental head of the l A Org, was fifty

586
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: five years old and in poor health, and she was

587
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: thrown overboard. She hit the water sobbing and screaming. L R.

588
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: H enjoy it without a doubt. Sometimes I heard him

589
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: making jokes about it. Those are the moments when I

590
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: came closest to asking myself what I was doing there,

591
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: But I always justified it by telling myself that he

592
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: must know what he was doing, and then it was

593
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: all for the greater good. People are amazing, Yeah, they

594
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: the justifications that they have to do to watch him,

595
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: oh man, to watch a man throw an elderly sick

596
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: woman off the edge of a fucking cruise liner essentially,

597
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: and then watch him like cackle about it. You're being

598
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: horribly mistreated, made to work for like nineteen hours a

599
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: day or something crazy like that, and then yeah, man, Well,

600
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: in fairness to Hannah, her passport and everyone else's passport

601
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: was kept in a safe by all Ron Hubbard. Okay,

602
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: so they couldn't even so they couldn't even really leave no, no,

603
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: their passports in a safe. Hubbard tried to bribe Greece

604
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: in much the same way he tried to bribe Rhodesia,

605
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: promising to build many new schools for his students on

606
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Corfu and turned the island into a mecca of science oology.

607
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: But the Greeks didn't really want that to happen, so

608
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: eventually they kicked him out of their country. For three years,

609
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard's fleet sailed around the Atlantic Ocean with no

610
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: particular destination or goal. They never stayed anywhere longer than

611
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: six weeks. One crew member, recalled L. R. H. Said,

612
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: we had to keep moving because there were so many

613
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: people after him. If they caught up with him, they

614
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: would cause so much trouble that he would be unable

615
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: to continue his work. Scientology would not get into the

616
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: world and there would be social and economic chaos, if

617
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: not a nuclear holocaust. Right, I forgot this component of

618
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: it that he was just on international waters to escape

619
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: all of like the legal power, the fact that multiple

620
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: governments were now after him. Okay, I forgot about that part,

621
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: and now this is starting to make more sense. But

622
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: even so, he explicitly took to the highest seas because

623
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: there's no law there, which is why you go to

624
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: the highest seas. Yeah, every time I'm on the high seas,

625
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: it's because I'm a you know, fleeing the law. In

626
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: the Apollo sailed into Casa Blanca and the U S

627
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: console asked politely what the funk they were doing because

628
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: a lot of us that has were on this boat,

629
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: and it had been for years now. He was concerned

630
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: by the impossibility of getting a clear answer from anyone

631
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: about what was happening on these boats. By this point,

632
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: the ships were all registered in Panama and they were

633
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: claimed to be part of like a corporate venture. But

634
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: like everyone knew, something was fucking weird was going on.

635
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: So the US console asked the Panamanian console to try

636
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: and figure out what was happening. The Panamanian console found

637
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: the vessel badly damage because he got to inspect it

638
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: and believed everyone on board was in grave danger. He

639
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: couldn't actually get in touch with eut Ron Hubbard because

640
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: the commodore was locked up in a luxury hotel and

641
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: would not take phone calls. Well why not, Well he

642
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: sailed around the Atlantic. Altron Hubbard had plenty of time

643
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: to your finest theories about the international communist conspiracy he

644
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: now believed was trying to destroy him and his important work.

645
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: He based his plan off of something called the tin

646
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Yaka Memorial. Have you ever heard of the Protocols of

647
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: the Elders Zion? No? No, A lot of anti Semitic

648
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories traced back to it. Was created by Russians. Essentially,

649
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: Czarist Russian secret service operatives created this fake list that's

650
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: supposedly a plan of Jewish people conspiring to take over

651
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: the world. The Tanyaka Memorial was that but for Japanese people.

652
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: It was a fake Japanese plan for world domination that

653
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: I think was created in like the nineteen thirties. Hubbard

654
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: became convinced that this document held all of the information

655
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: about the secret international communist conspiracy to destroy him for

656
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: reasons that are unclear to me. I do not understand

657
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: how he made these logical leaps. I have not ready

658
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: satisfying explanation, which because he's such a reasonable guy and

659
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: so logically consistent. Yeah, anyway, Hubbard told his followers that

660
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: the dastardly members of the World Federation of Mental Health

661
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: were in codes with the US and British spy agencies

662
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: in a crusade to destroy him him. He's great, he's

663
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: charming all of the psychiatrists here against him because he's

664
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: the only one who knows how not to be crazy.

665
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: Get on his boat. Over his years at sea, Hubbard

666
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: did change his mind about the Tan Yaka Memorial conspiracy,

667
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: and it more from an international Communist conspiracy to an

668
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: international Nazi conspiration. See sometimes his ex wife was at

669
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: the center of the Nazi conspiracy. Sometimes he said she

670
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 1: was a Nazi. Now is this the ex wife whose

671
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: daughter he kidnapped? Or is this the one that Polly's

672
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: the lucky ex wife she really lucked out by him

673
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: just abandoning family. Turns out he's a great guy to

674
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: just have a band in you quietly, Yes, if you're

675
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: going to be abandoned quietly by the father of your

676
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: two children. Make sure I guess there may not be

677
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: a message there. There may be no less than any

678
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: of this. Commodore. Hubbard continued to run his scientology empire

679
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: while he was at sea. He received forty to fifty

680
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: telex messages every day from various scientology facilities. He got

681
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: weekly reports about the religions income. He told his sea

682
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: orc each of whom earned ten dollars a week, that

683
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: his income was even less than theirs. But he was

684
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: actually receiving about fifteen thousand dollars a week in church funds,

685
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: as well as an undisclosed amount of money from various

686
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: show corporations and bank accounts in Switzerland and Lichtenstein. His

687
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: estimated net worth at death was around six dred million,

688
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: to give you some idea of how much money he

689
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: built out of this faith. And each of the members

690
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: on these ships was earning what did you say, ten

691
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: dollars a week a week, Oh well, it's not slavery then, right,

692
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: it's not slavery. If they're making ten dollars a week, yeah,

693
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: they're he's better wages in the US prison system, does

694
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: it yeah, okay, well, okay, that's not bad. I mean no,

695
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: it's it's all bad. Everything's bad, everything's horrible, Welcome to

696
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: this podcast. However, and his wife each had a stateroom

697
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: and a suite on the promenade deck of their big cruiser.

698
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: There were several separate offices and rooms that were all

699
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: only for the family. The family had a special chef

700
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: and their own food, separate from the rest of the crew,

701
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: who lived in dorms that are generally described as smelly

702
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: and cockroach field. Those who weren't lucky enough to have

703
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: a private room slept in giant communal dorms oft d people. Yeah, oh,

704
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: a hundred people in one yea room, one big old room.

705
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: Sometimes not a lot to bathe because they've all done

706
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: something bad. So a hundred people not able to bathe

707
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: working on a boat in the heat of the day

708
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: for weeks at a time because they're in doubt or whatever,

709
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: because they're in yeah, in doubt or non existence or whatever. Whatever.

710
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: The fun condition sounds gross. Sounds like a gross boat, right, Yeah,

711
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: that sounds horrifying. Now, in all fairness, you can find

712
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: recollections of this time from people who were there and

713
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: say it was very happy period. There's a lot of

714
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: negative there are also some people who loved it. I

715
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: found one such account on a site called Scientolopedia, which

716
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: appears to be an independent but scientologist run Wikipedia page

717
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: a good source of reliable I don't know about that,

718
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Like it's certainly not unbiased. But I also think it

719
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: would be impossible for all these people to have stayed

720
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: if they weren't enjoying parts of it. And everyone says

721
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: there were parts of it that were fun, and there

722
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: must have been some people who liked this, people with

723
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: better job. Sure, because the guy that I found, Ian

724
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: Robert Waxler, was like Hubbard's personal chef for a while

725
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: and essentially that was one of the things he did.

726
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: But he had a private room on the same deck

727
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: that Hubbard had, so it seems like it was a

728
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: nice time for him. He was living with people in

729
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: the same no stink belts, all right. He says there

730
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: were a lot of really good parties, which maybe there were.

731
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: He claims Hubbard's cabin was small and unair conditioned. Hubbard

732
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: was a small old man sacrificing his comfort for the

733
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: goodness of his faith. I have to tell you I

734
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: feel a sense of sadness and humility when I think

735
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: of looking at the small, barren, steel walled cabin when

736
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: he could have very easily been living in a luxurious

737
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: villa surrounded by servants. This was not at all l

738
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: R H's priority. That he spent any of his later

739
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: years in nicer palm Springs type residences would surely be

740
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: expected for even a moderately successful person in California. So

741
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: he also stated that he was, you know, Hubbard's personal chef,

742
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: and he noted that Hubbard was not at all demanding.

743
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: He was modest and humble. But he also says he

744
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: could be somewhat eccentric, appearing as for example, the only

745
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: dish detergents allowed must not have any aroma or any

746
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: strong center perfume. If his dishes are clothes were watched

747
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: in such the odor became offensive to his keen sense

748
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: of smell. In addition, you better not cut up his

749
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: food with a knife used to cut an onion, because

750
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: l R. H would have immediately let you know, Okay,

751
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: So it sounds like he really was kind of so

752
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: he was in a past life a bassett hound. Because

753
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: it smells, I guess I mean, he clearly didn't have

754
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: trouble making everyone else be really gross and smelling. I

755
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: don't I can't really parse together what was going on

756
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: his head for that. Well, we'll get back to uh,

757
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: actually when we get back, when we talk about the

758
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: commodore Is Messenger Organization, which was the preteen girls who

759
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: oh I can't wait. Oh yeah he did with that,

760
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: you know what, less horrifying than you're gonna think. Way

761
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: weirder though, yeah, but not in a sex way. Yeah,

762
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: real whip flash moment for you, Caitlin. I'm gonna let

763
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: you do our ad pivot because all right, hey, folks,

764
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: check out this ad and then and then we'll be

765
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: back in a moment. We're back. We just broke for ads,

766
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: but in reality, we went to a boat, sailed around

767
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: the world, found some gold, lost it. Real whirlwind, But

768
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: now we're back. Starting in nineteen seventy, l Ron Hubbard

769
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: established the Commodore's Messenger Organization. The messengers were the most

770
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: faithful and dedicated scientologists. They basically moved around the ship

771
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: acting as the Commodore's voice. According to Bare Face Messiah,

772
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: the messengers, mainly pubescent girls, soon recognized and enjoyed their

773
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: power as teenage clones of the Commodore and their cute

774
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: little dark blue uniforms and gold lanyards. They were trained

775
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: to deliver Hubbard's orders using his exact words and tone

776
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: of voice. If he was in a temper and bellowing abuse,

777
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: the messenger would scuffle off and pipe the same abuse

778
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: at the offender. No one dared take issue with whatever

779
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: a messenger said, no one dared disobey her orders. Vested

780
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: with the authority of the Commodore, they came to be

781
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: widely feared little monsters. Okay, yeah, so what's it called?

782
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: Like the singing Grahams, Like when you're like on Valentine's Day,

783
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: they're like, here's a nice song, and we sing you

784
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: some chocolates, flowers, telegram sing something like that. Yeah, I

785
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: forget what they're called. Maybe I'm making this up. Maybe

786
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm l Ron Hubbard and I'm just inventing stuff in there.

787
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: But um, so it's like that, but pret like teen

788
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: girls who are just like screaming in imitating. Yeah, weird,

789
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: hollot him that now like a scientologist. It's just it

790
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: takes so it's so hard to say. El Ron Hubbard

791
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: over and over. It's too many. Also, every time I

792
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: hear l Ron I things and like the Council of

793
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: Elrond and very different characters, very different characters. Actually, Elrond

794
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: did create all those elves at Rivendell where it was

795
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: lost in the woods. What woods Org? Woods Org? If

796
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: only it had been a woods Org. So messengers worked

797
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: in six hour shifts, and Hubbard was surrounded by them

798
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: every hour of every day. They kept minute to minute

799
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: logs of his life from this point on. When he

800
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: was asleep, they sat outside his stateroom. When he smoked cigarettes,

801
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: they caught his ashes. They also took down every mess Anyway,

802
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: we have a lot of data on Ron Hubbard as

803
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: a result of these people. Okay, has that quote noted?

804
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: Many of these messengers, maybe most of them were teenage girls. Uh.

805
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: Dorene Smith was twelve when she joined the Apollo. She'd

806
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: been born into the faith, and Derene pretty quickly became

807
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: a messenger. She and other messengers interviewed were insistent that

808
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: while male members of the crew did repeatedly try to

809
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: have sex with him, Hubbard never did. Oh yeah, when

810
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: I heard that he had a bunch of preteen girls

811
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: doing his every bidding on his boat in international waters.

812
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's just molesting the hell out

813
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: of some kids. I can't find any evidence of that. Okay,

814
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: it's weird, like you would, yeah, that's incur But then

815
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: also the fact they're like, yeah, but every other man

816
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: of course, creepy ship went on. I guess he was

817
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: not the kind of creepy you'd expect, which is again

818
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why you get a little bit

819
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: more into this guy, because he's not molesting tons of children,

820
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: which is reason to really respect the hell out of him.

821
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: It's not even doing the minimum, it's like doing below

822
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: the minimum. Right, Well, he wasn't a child molester. Kidnapped

823
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: a baby once, but he didn't try to have sex

824
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: with any preteen. Keith Ranieri of Nexium both molested, allegedly

825
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: a twelve year old and kidnapped a couple of babies.

826
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: So boys, let that be a lesson to the creepy

827
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: cult leaders listening in. If you want to create a cult,

828
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: you can be a monster. Just don't molest. That's not

829
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: a good message. I should stop trying to find messages

830
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: in this story. Speaking of messages, let's talk about the

831
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: messenger some more so. Dorene later said in an interview.

832
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: I once asked him why he chose young girls as messengers.

833
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: He said it was an idea he had picked up

834
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: from Nazi Germany. Okay, whirlwind, he said. Hitler was a madman,

835
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: but nevertheless a genius in his own right, and the

836
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: Nazi youth was one of the smartest ideas he ever had.

837
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: With young people, you had a blank slate and you

838
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: could write anything you wanted on it, and it would

839
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: be your writing. That was his idea, to take young

840
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: people and mold them too little hubbards. He said he

841
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: had girls because women were more loyal than men. Oh yeah,

842
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, women be loyal, Women be loyal. When I

843
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: think of loyalty, I think of a teenage girl. Yeah,

844
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: the most loyal, never, you know, telling secrets behind anyone's

845
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: backs or anything like that. Almost as loyal as teenage boy. Well,

846
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want teenage boys to be your messengers. Another messenger,

847
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: a girl named Tanya, insisted he never tried anything with me,

848
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: and as far as I know, he never did with

849
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: any of the other girls. He didn't sleep with Mary Sue.

850
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: We thought perhaps he was impotent. I think he got

851
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: his thrills just by having us around. So maybe there

852
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: was something gross going on and he just couldn't get

853
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: it up anymore. Maybe he would have molested kids. Wait,

854
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: is Mary Sue his his wife? Yes? Their wife, alright,

855
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 1: so it's possible. That's another theory that he totally would

856
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: have molested these kids, but his dick was broken. Well

857
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: you know when your brain is just so creative and

858
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: filled with such wonderful stories and another part of your

859
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: body is going to be compromised exactly, So, yeah, that

860
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: makes why Stephen King is famously terrible at sex, although again,

861
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard decent at fucking I get yeah, for a while,

862
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: but we've heard that from what one account? One account, Okay,

863
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: so that's not enough to convince me. Yeah, that's one

864
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: account more than most cult leaders have. Well that's true,

865
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: that's true, all right. Whatever the case, he had apparently

866
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: lost that ability at this point. It is kind of

867
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: weird that in this me Too era, the one guy

868
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: that I can't find a story of sexually assaulting unwilling

869
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: people is fucking l Ron Hubbard. Surprisingly shockingly, yes, I

870
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: really would have expected him to be top of that list,

871
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: especially because he was teaching men how to rape their

872
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: wives while they slept. That like, cannot in the clear

873
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: on this, but there's so much research to doing this. Guy,

874
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: I may have just missed something, but I am unaware

875
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: doing that particular terrible thing, which is shocking to me.

876
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: That said, I do want to note, well, I didn't

877
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: find any allegations of horrific child sexual abuse. I did

878
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: find allegations of horrific child abuse. And l Ron Hubbard

879
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Space Navy Zina dot Net, an admittedly anti scientology, side,

880
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: has collected several anecdotes from people who were on these voyages,

881
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: including one from Hannah Eltringham. She says, quote, HE put

882
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: this little four and a half year old boy, Derek Green,

883
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: into the chain locker for two days and two nights.

884
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: It's a closed metal container. It's wet, it's full of

885
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: water and seaweed. It smells bad. But David was sitting

886
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: up on the chain in this place, on his own,

887
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: in the dark for two days and two nights. He

888
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: was not allowed to go to the potty. I mean

889
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: he had to go in the chain locker on his own,

890
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: soil himself. He was given food and I never went

891
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: near it. The chain locker while he was in there,

892
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: but people heard him crying. That is sheer, total brutality.

893
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: That is child abuse. Oh yeah, it's definitely child abuse. Again,

894
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: he's a monster. Yeah. I assume there were other kids

895
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: that happened to. This is just one story of he

896
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: had a room for locking up children. That was this

897
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: on the Apollo or the Scott I think this is

898
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: the Apollo. Was the scotman. I know there's a lot

899
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: of names here. There was a mysterious death aboard the Apollo.

900
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm surprised there weren't a lot more. In February of

901
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, Susan Meister, a twenty three year old

902
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: scientologist from Colorado, joined the Apollo. On May five, she

903
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: wrote an eager letter home to her family. I just

904
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: had an auditing session. I feel great, great, great, and

905
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: my life is expanding, expanding, and it's all scientology. Hurry up, hurry, hurry,

906
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: be a friend to yourselves. Get into the stuff now.

907
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: It's more precious than gold. It's the best thing that's

908
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: ever ever, ever, ever, ever come along. Love Susan. Roughly

909
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: a month later, on June fifte she wrote another letter

910
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: clearly influenced by Ron's paranoia. I can't tell you exactly

911
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: where we are. We have enemies who do not wish

912
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: to see a succeed in restoring freedom and self determination

913
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: to this planet's people, and these people were to find

914
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: out where we were located, they would attempt to destroy us.

915
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: On June, ten days after that letter, she locked herself

916
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: into cabin and shot herself on the head with the

917
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: twenty two caliber revolver. She was found later that day

918
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: in her bunk, wearing address her mother at center. As

919
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: a birthday gift, she wrote a letter, but we don't

920
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: know what it said because it went up in the

921
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: church's possession Along with her body. They buried her in

922
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: Monaco before her father could arrive. Hubbard went into damage

923
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: control mode. The church's official stance was that Susan was

924
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: a drug addict with a history of suicide attempts, and

925
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: also they said they found naked photos that she'd taken,

926
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: so clearly she was an unstable individual. Pretty classic, it's

927
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: her fault. She had a naked picture of herself, It's

928
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 1: her fault. In early nineteen seventy two, l Ron got sick.

929
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: This may have had something to do with the fact

930
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: that he had spent years living in boats and not

931
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: seeking any regular medical or dental care. Scurvy, he's drinking.

932
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: He's a drunk old man who lives on a boat

933
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: and doesn't go to doctors. He had health problems, and yeah,

934
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: I'm surprised there weren't more deaths because I mean he's

935
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: throwing people overboard on a base. There weren't more death

936
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: right unless they were and they just got completely covered up.

937
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: That's possible or something. I'm only aware of this one,

938
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I can only do so much reading.

939
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: The Apollo's medical officer was a guy named in Kalki

940
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: with six months of nursing experience under his belt, so

941
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of great medical care on board

942
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: the Apollo. When he got the gig and started working

943
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: closely with Hubbard, he was surprised to learn that L. R.

944
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: H had started seeing a doctor during port visits and

945
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: had started taking painkill and antibiotics. I thought that as

946
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: an operating theat and he would have total control of

947
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: his body and of any pain. When he discovered I

948
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: hadn't got him the painkillers, he flew off the handle

949
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: and started screaming at me. So this guy like learned

950
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: that he didn't get all the pain killers that Hubbard

951
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: had asked for because he was like, what does need

952
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: pain killers? He's total control of his body. So Hubbard

953
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: got angry at him because he didn't need pain killers.

954
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: Morocco was Hubbard's favorite place in the early nineteen seventies.

955
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: He set his sights on it as a possible worldwide

956
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: headquarters for his new faith. But then he was mildly

957
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: implicated in a failed attempt to unseat the Moroccan king,

958
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: and again his fleet had to flee to the open ocean.

959
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: Cheese tailors oldest time. So while all this is happening,

960
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: while he's at sea for years, years, eight years, Scientology

961
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: is still spreading on land, right, and he's managing it

962
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: from a telex machine on his boat somewhere in the ocean. Okay,

963
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: got it. In the mid nineteen seventy two, the French

964
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: government launched an investigation into the Church of Scientology while

965
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: several of their ships were docked for engine repairs. In

966
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: a panic, Hubbard fled to the east coast of the

967
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: United States and spent ten months in a New Jersey

968
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: hotel watching daytime TV and drinking way too much brandy

969
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of sounds fun. Uh. He saw a doctor in

970
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: a dentist though. Yeah, okay, so he's finally getting medical

971
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: attention for his scurvy. Then his rotten teeth. His teeth

972
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: were real fucked up. When he returned to his fleet

973
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: ten months later, he seemed to be in much better health.

974
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: But in late nineteen l Ron Hubbard had a motorcycle

975
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: accident in the Canary Islands. Just what the funk was

976
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: a man that age doing right in a motorcycler. His

977
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: good mood disappeared. He began instituting new punishments again and

978
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: created a whole new unit for scientologist who are being punished.

979
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: The Rehabilitation Project Force was a shocking development to many

980
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: Sea Org members. One of them, Hannah Altringham, recalled that

981
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: it sounded pretty much like a slave labor camp to her.

982
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Those weren't the words he used, but that was the

983
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: impression given where the unwanted, those found wanting, seriously wanting,

984
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: were sent and they were to be kept in this

985
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: with no rights, no freedoms, no privileges of any kind.

986
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: Pretty much, the only rights they were allowed was a

987
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: little bit of sleep each day. Food leftovers, the harshest treatment.

988
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: So he builds a task force full of peno list

989
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: people where they all have to work. They all to

990
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: wear black cover rolls basically over their whole body, and

991
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: like the heat of the day in the Mediterranean summer,

992
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: they all slipped together in the cargo hold with no ventilation. Yeah.

993
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: So the RPF became the place nobody wanted to be

994
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: in the place that you went if you annoyed the

995
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: commodore or if you annoyed his messengers, because they had

996
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: the right to send you to RPF. Two. So there

997
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: were a bunch of twelve year old girls who could

998
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: just throw people in scientology prison if they got angry.

999
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: Respect that, you know. Women in charge? Good? Yeah, great, Yeah,

1000
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: not just women in charge, girls in charge. Small children, yes,

1001
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: small children charge. Taking it back. One crewman at this

1002
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: time remembers about Ron Hubbard. After the accident, he became

1003
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: much more paranoid and belligerent. He was convinced there were

1004
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: evil people on board with hidden evil intentions, and he

1005
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: wanted to get them all in the RPF. The RPF

1006
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: was used as an incredible daily threat over everyone. If

1007
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: he could smell something cooking from the Vince whoever was

1008
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: the current Vince engineer would be assigned to the RPF

1009
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: if the cook burned his food RPF, if a messenger

1010
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: complained about someone RPF. His actions definitely became more bizarre

1011
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: after the motorcycle accident. You could hear him throughout the

1012
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: ships screaming, shouting, ranting, and raving. Day after day. He

1013
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: was always claiming the cooks were trying to poison him,

1014
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: and he began to smell odors everywhere. His clothes had

1015
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: to be washed in pure water fifteen times, using thirteen

1016
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: different buckets of clean water to rinse the shirt so

1017
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: he wouldn't smell a detergent on it. So his behavior

1018
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: somehow became more erratic and unreasonable after this motorcycle accident.

1019
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: Someone who's doing what he had already been doing, How

1020
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: does it get worse from there? But I just can't

1021
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: even chronic pain. Yeah, Like you're already a crazy off

1022
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 1: balance guy and then you're dealing with chronic pains. Become

1023
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: more of an asshole. Yeah, I mean it's all, but

1024
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: it's already like dialed up to an eleven. Like I

1025
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: don't know how you get worse from there. But it's incredible.

1026
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: But his life is like a perpetual motion machine of

1027
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: just being shittier, because that's the only thing he ever

1028
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: does is get worse. It's almost impressive. Yeah, he's like

1029
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: a mountaineer for being a piece of garbage, like climbing

1030
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: the mount Everest, of being shitty to the people around him.

1031
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: Some crewmen, including Jim Dinkalki, the guy who had worked

1032
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: as his doctor basically even though he's only a nurse,

1033
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: saw the RPF as a reaction to Hubbard's realization that

1034
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: his son Quentin, who had been largely raised at sea

1035
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: by this point, was homosexual. Dinklki said, human emotion reactions

1036
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: is the way humans were, and he didn't specifically regard

1037
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: humans very highly. He liked the idea of the dull

1038
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: bodies that were in other civilizations. Dull bodies didn't have

1039
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: human emotions and reactions. They were I guess like Spock,

1040
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, just very analytical. You just get the job done.

1041
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: No emotion there. Love is not a sentiment that's known

1042
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: or cared for. And to me, that's the tragedy because

1043
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: he put that, I feel, into the organization, into the

1044
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: way of being in the organization. He saw his son's

1045
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: homosexuality as a betrayal, and his son Quentin eventually killed

1046
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: himself years after this, so he saw it as an

1047
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: attack and that may have been what made him punish

1048
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: everyone else on the boats. As the voyage went on,

1049
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: Hubbard's often teenaged messengers grew to hold all of the

1050
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: power on board. They also had the ability to force

1051
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: people into the RPF. As I had stated, multi people

1052
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: compared it to like a Lord of the Flyes sort

1053
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: of situation. In the last couple of years of the crew,

1054
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: just these kind of crazed teenage girls, because again, they're

1055
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: spending all of their time around the craziest man who's

1056
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: ever lived, and they have ultimate power and their twelve

1057
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: So it's just bad. Yeah. And a lot of them

1058
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Speaker 1: grew up in the church and then yeah, possibly also

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00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: on this boat. Yeah yeah. At this point they've spent

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Speaker 1: their whole lives in the church. They're just completely detached

1061
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: from reality living on a boat in the ocean with

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00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 1: total power. It went mad. He did, however, get sick

1063
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: of this in nineteen seventy five and he came ashore

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Speaker 1: in Florida. Uh he said it was because he needed

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00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: his flag base to be on dry land in order

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Speaker 1: to more efficiently built money out of people. He called

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00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: his ship the Apollo Flag as well, and the Scientology

1068
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: headquarters is called Flag. Now it's possible that he was

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00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: just too old and infirm to stay at sea. For

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00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: whatever reason. In August of nineteen seventy five, he launched

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00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: Operation gold Mine, a plan to buy numerous hotels and

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Speaker 1: churches in and around the town of Clearwater, Florida, in

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Speaker 1: order to establish it as a Scientology mecca, because you know,

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Speaker 1: Florida is the one piece of land beyond the reach

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Speaker 1: of all man's laws. I had intended originally to go

1076
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: into his whole life in this podcast. He has another

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Speaker 1: eleven years. We'll get to that at some point. The

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00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: end of l Ron Hubbard is another story because he

1079
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Speaker 1: hasn't even started making movies. He has all this other

1080
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: insane shit happens. Yeah, Okay, it gets so much wilder.

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Speaker 1: But this is the end of his time at sea,

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Speaker 1: and this is all the time we have to talk

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00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: about Ron Hubbard this week. Wow, what a journey it's been. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I was a part of Sea Org

1085
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: for eight years. Yeah, that's what it. Well, now you

1086
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: can understand a little bit of how those people suffered. Yeah, yes,

1087
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Speaker 1: my three hours of being on this podcast is definitely

1088
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: compares um. Wow. Wow, that was so unch information. I

1089
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: am stupefied. That is the right reaction to all of this,

1090
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: l Ron Hubbard. There we go. Okay, well that's the story.

1091
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Speaker 1: I got nothing else again, So to recap, he's a

1092
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: feminist icon, feministic mining for gold, gold miner, et Ron Hubbard.

1093
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Speaker 1: He loves boats. He defeated two Japanese submarines which were

1094
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: just deposits of iron, ores of iron, and he generally

1095
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: treated everyone around him with respect and uh never told

1096
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: a lie in his life. Okay, yeah, honest man, Ron Hubbard.

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Speaker 1: Wow yeah, all right, Well, thank you so much. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having Thank you for talking about this fucking cuckoo crazy.

1099
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Speaker 1: I've had fun. Good. I feel a little mad, like

1100
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: like crazy like madness is sleeping in. I'm gonna drive

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00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: to Marina del Rey, break onto a boat and just

1102
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: drink all night. Yeah, it sounds like a great plan.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a great plan. You can call me commodore.

1104
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Speaker 1: Why not call yourself admiral? Also, well, it seems like

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00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: a cooler name. Yeah, is one like a higher ranking

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Speaker 1: than the other. I think commodore might be higher than animal.

1107
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Speaker 1: I don't even know. I don't think we have Commodore's

1108
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Speaker 1: and our right, but I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He decided Commodore sounded cooler. I get yeah, l ron

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Speaker 1: Hubbard Ron Yes plugs. You can follow me on social

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Speaker 1: So there you have it. Well, I'm Robert Evans. This

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