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Speaker 2: I have not recovered from that personal Pan Pizza discussion

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Speaker 1: The end of last episode. It's so good, I man,

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Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it in a while. There's actually

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Speaker 1: I would argue, it's a perfect food. There's not much

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Speaker 2: Welcome one, Welcome all back to the show. Oh I'm ty,

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Speaker 2: he's Dan. This is part two of our Mega June

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Speaker 2: q and A episode go back and listen to part one.

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Speaker 2: We had dozens upon dozens upon dozens of questions that

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Speaker 2: To the verballer Hood, Oh my God, for it's creativity

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Speaker 2: and for all these questions that came in. It keeps

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Speaker 1: I can buy a personal deep pan for two dollars

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Speaker 1: and fifty cents online. That's great. Continue, congratulations Skippy, you've

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Speaker 2: with this theme now go Knights. Where we asked people,

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Speaker 2: O Coyotes design with Mike wants to know the biggest

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Speaker 2: upset possibility on each big ten teams schedule. So I

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Speaker 2: whittled this down a little bit. It's hard to go

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Speaker 2: He says, which of these four scenarios do you think

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Speaker 2: So I called out five teams on my list, and

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Speaker 1: And I realized there's not a whole lot of room

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Speaker 2: But damn, look at their returning production, which isn't everything,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at that differently than you. I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: Now Oklahoma will be one of those that crashes and burns. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Dramatic what foller?

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Speaker 2: Yeah to Klein de Bor's legit, I know he's legit,

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Speaker 2: You're putting Jalen Milrow in a different quarterback system. I

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Speaker 1: But it is different. Now. There is this void, there's

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Speaker 2: Okay, Patreon here, d Smith, here's a great question. EA

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Speaker 2: Sports has decided to let the solid verbel create a

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Speaker 2: which traits are you creating? What are you labeling them?

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Speaker 2: He says, I'd vote for the coaching trade of Clunker Mechanic,

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Speaker 2: one for a coach and two for players. Okay, my

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Speaker 2: first for a coach is one that I'm calling Media Darling.

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Speaker 2: How does this affect the game though, Well, it does

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Speaker 2: So Media Darling is a guy who's just effusive and

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Speaker 2: We know there are those guys around college football media, Darling,

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Speaker 2: A guy who played another position in high school who

435
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Speaker 2: maybe you can deploy as part of a trick play.

436
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: This is exactly what I was thinking.

437
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: Either high school quarterback or something like multi sports star

438
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: randomly through ninety one miles an hour.

439
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 1: You can count on him to chuck the ball downfield

440
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: on a double play. Yeah, something that double pass, something.

441
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: That kind of references what this guy did or his

442
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: athletic prowess in high school.

443
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you call yours? Like an emergency player,

444
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: right that, like a safety with a good receiver in

445
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: high school, or two way player, like the two way

446
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: ability that a corner could be inserted on offense in

447
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: a specific package based on the fact that he was

448
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, all state in the four by one relay

449
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: something like that that he could take some reverses and

450
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: do something interesting. So, yeah, some sort of two way

451
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: attribute that is highlighted in a player's past. I had

452
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: that and for my coaching trade it's similar to yours,

453
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: but I think more applicable to actual gameplay. And that

454
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: is like the fiery speech ability, So you can deploy

455
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: it either pregame or halftime that he could give some

456
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: sort of like any given Sunday crawl out a hell

457
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: one inch out of time like that. There is some

458
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: sort of fiery buy in meter that a coach can

459
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: wield three times a season. Right, you have to pick

460
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: and choose, and you have to say if you're going pregame,

461
00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: halftime or final drive. Right that, Like it's a finite

462
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: number of times that you can do the fiery speech ability.

463
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, right, I like that a lot. That

464
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: you have to be very judicious. You're like, do I

465
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: want to use this in week two or do I

466
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: want to save it for a potential playoff run? And

467
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how you actually maybe you're just seeing

468
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: an animated coach right on the sidelines or in the

469
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: locker room something like that. But yeah, some sort of

470
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: emotional meter that you can igalize.

471
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Speaker 2: My favorite player trait that I came up with is

472
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Speaker 2: one that I'm calling the service elevator. You ever been

473
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: in a hotel where they've got a service elevator? They

474
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: use it to move like the bulky things, right.

475
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

476
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 2: In this case, I'm thinking that this is only a

477
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: trait that applies to tight ends, and it's the random

478
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: tight end who decides that he can high hurdle a

479
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: defender on occasion. We've seen guys that can do that

480
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: more often than not.

481
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: They can't. That doesn't stop them from trying. The service

482
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: elevator trait allows that to act actually work in the game. Yeah,

483
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: very rare. I like that.

484
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: Let's go to Instagram. Hail to the victors. But you

485
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: know where this one's going. Dan says he was a

486
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: Jaguar in high school, and he asks Jaguar, If Cry

487
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: and Ryan loses to Michigan again, is he fired? Cry

488
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: and Ryan Ryan Day, Ohio State coach, lost his last

489
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: three games to Jim Harbaugh and Michigan. Thankfully, Jim Harbaugh

490
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: is now in the NFL. Yeah, he's gonna see what

491
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: he can do against Sharon Moore, new coach at Michigan.

492
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: I feel like we've kind of addressed this before, and

493
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Speaker 2: we had a long conversation either at the start of

494
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: this year or the end of last with our friend

495
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 2: Bruce Filman from the Athletic in Fox and we talked

496
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: about Ryan Day and the odd circumstance that he finds

497
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: himself in because the roster is incredibly loaded, and he

498
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: certainly went out and did due diligence in the portal

499
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 2: and otherwise by bringing in guys like Chip Kelly to

500
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Speaker 2: try and boost that team. As much as it feels

501
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 2: like this is the year, if ever there were, it

502
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: feels like this is a year where Ohio State is

503
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: going to make a deep run into this playoff. The

504
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: problem for Ryan Day is that he's just not a

505
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: great coach.

506
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Yet. He's very good coach.

507
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 2: The numbers, I think underscore that phenomenal coach, but in

508
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: terms of a great championship winning coach, it hasn't happened

509
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: for him yet.

510
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: It's an okay place to be a really good coach

511
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: that brings in talent, that wins a ton of games,

512
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: that gets paid a ton of money.

513
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: All that stuff. He's going to go down as a

514
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: very very very good coach. But we're waiting on with

515
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Days. If he can take that next step. Sure,

516
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: if he can actually win something, and it starts with

517
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Speaker 2: the Michigan game, I don't think he's fired if he

518
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 2: loses to Michigan. There's a pretty good chance that even

519
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: if he loses to Michigan, Ohio State finishes the year

520
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: with one or two losses and they still get in

521
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: the playoff and win a game or two or three

522
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: or four. So no, I don't think the Michigan game

523
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: is going to be kind of that that hard stop

524
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: for Ryan Day and his tenure at Ohio State.

525
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: The way maybe it would.

526
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: Have been a couple of years ago under a different system,

527
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: I think he'll still have an opportunity to win something

528
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 2: even if you lose to Michigan.

529
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: Losing to Michigan, they want to avoid that. Yes, of course.

530
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: I think it's more likely that he feels like his

531
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: time in Columbus has run its course and he leaves

532
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: to go elsewhere. Then it would be for him to

533
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: get fired. It'd be a really really tough sell to

534
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: fire a guy like this who's got such a good record.

535
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: So he do like a Tom O'Brien. Yeah, it's like, well,

536
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a lateral shift here. I've you know,

537
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: I've had enough of this.

538
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was Bruce who was

539
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: reporting that, or maybe it wasn't Bruce. I don't mean

540
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: to kind of assign something to him that wasn't. But

541
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: there were some folks who were like, hey, would Bryan

542
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Day consider the Texas A and m job right, I

543
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: remember that odd circumstance in Columbus.

544
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: Is he in that moment? Is he dealing with that

545
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: pressure in a healthy way? Like?

546
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: How just an odd circumstance. You lose to Michigan, your

547
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: biggest rival, three times in a row. It's going to happen,

548
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: and I get it. I don't think they can fire him, though.

549
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: I think it's more likely that he would leave whether

550
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: he lost to Michigan or fell short otherwise of expectations.

551
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine Ohio State losing to Michigan this year,

552
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: given what Michigan has lost just from the June vantage point. Yeah, okay,

553
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: this question, who did you say it was from? It

554
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: was no, we don't have an actual name. Hanil to

555
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: the victors two, Hail to the victors two. Okay, So

556
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: this is why college football, and I say this lovingly

557
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: is probably best described the college football fandom as an infection.

558
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: We are all infected with college football fandom. Ryan Day

559
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: is thirty nine to three in the regular season. During

560
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: his time, Ryande has been an excellent coach. But I

561
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: understand why it's unacceptable to lose three straight to Michigan.

562
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: That's I'm infected with this as well. It's unacceptable. It

563
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: would be unacceptable for him to lose four straight given

564
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: what Ohio State has back and it's Will Howard. This

565
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: is not obvious NFL first round talent at this point

566
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: in his career in the way that some previous quarterbacks

567
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: for Ohio State have been. But the rest of the roster,

568
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: every position group has first round talent. Whether the draft

569
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: in the first round is to be seen. But like

570
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Michigan doesn't have obvious talent in the way that Ohio

571
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: State does, at every position group, there's obvious all American

572
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant, Will Johnson on defense. Sure,

573
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like Ohio State should lose this game. Also,

574
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: when you go down this road, if you are somebody

575
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: not in the know with Ohio State or somebody in

576
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: the know with Ohio State money in the athletic department,

577
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: boost or whatever. Who are you getting? Who are you

578
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: getting that is slightly better than thirty nine and three,

579
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: because that's all you can be is slightly better than

580
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: thirty nine? Who are you getting that is going to

581
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: go forty two win one?

582
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: I mean Ohio State fans would say, let's get Mike Vrabel,

583
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: I've heard that one. They'd say, okay, they would probably

584
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 2: go out after Marcus Freeman if he had more success

585
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: at Notre Dame.

586
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Brian Hartline right there, go with somebody who's got an

587
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State connection. You're gonna convince Luke Fickle to leave Wisconsin.

588
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: Luke Fickle, that's the question. It's like, who are you

589
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: so sure is better than thirty nine and three and

590
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 1: twelve feet away from beating Georgia two years ago on

591
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: that field goal miss, which is not all in the kicker,

592
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: Let's be clear. That's the question. It's who are you

593
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: so sure? Now? You could say, losing three straight means

594
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: you kind of know what you need to know about

595
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, that he's great but not excellent, and that's

596
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: apparently not good enough at Ohio State. Thirty nine and three.

597
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: It's an infection. It totally is, and it's unacceptable loose Michigan.

598
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: It's unacceptable lose three years in a row. But this

599
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: year we'll determine whether that was a Jim Harbaugh figuring

600
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: it out, slash whatever else you want to consider extra

601
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: curricular with Michigan's program these past few years, or if

602
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: it's something actually wrong with rosters, slash culture, slash visions,

603
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: slash assistant hires whatever. Ryan Day made those changes. Hire

604
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator, hire new defensive coordinator a little

605
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: while ago. Yeah, so roster's great. So now it's has

606
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: to be this year. But I still wouldn't fire him.

607
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. And that also sends

608
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: the message to the next coach, Sure you can have

609
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: a winning percentage of nine to ninety whatever it is.

610
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: And it's a great message because getting fired with whatever

611
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Day's buyout is not the worst deal. But I think, why,

612
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying with like Ryan Dai's just

613
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: gonna be like why, I just I'm gonna go somewhere else.

614
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: Let's go to Facebook.

615
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: Dennis, who says he was a Seaside seagull I love that.

616
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: Who are the top five under the radar Heisman prospects?

617
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: If you want to really go under the radar with

618
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: real long shot odds, go like the best backup quarterbacks

619
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: in the country, best backup quarterbacks in the country.

620
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: So Dante Moore, Walker Howard or I saw Julian saying,

621
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: is actually relatively high up there, okay, And by high

622
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: up there, I mean lower odds that I would expect

623
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: I think are.

624
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: Going to be the number two as a true freshman unclear. Okay,

625
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: I think a lot's unclear.

626
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: But to your point, I feel like that would be

627
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 2: the way to get the steepest odds.

628
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: You're throwing away your money with Julian saying, But yeah.

629
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: I looked on whatever side I found first. I think

630
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: it was FanDuel, just to see what their updated Heisman

631
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: odds were. These are not necessarily under the radar guys.

632
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: These are under the radar guys in terms of the odds.

633
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: You know all of these players that I'm going to

634
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: list here, but from an odds standpoint, these are guys

635
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: who are very very low on the list. So like

636
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: case in point, I talked a lot last year about

637
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: Ali Gordon, and believe me, I heard from very serious

638
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: gamblers out there that running backs dowing the heisman and

639
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: you're throwing away your money.

640
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: You're an idiot.

641
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, guys, thank you. I appreciate that. Oli Gordon's

642
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: at one hundred and twenty to one right now on FanDuel.

643
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: That under the radar feels kind of under the radar

644
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, why not Luther Burden one hundred to one.

645
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: I like Luthor Burden. Yeah, Evan Stewart won twenty to one,

646
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter sixty five to one.

647
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Harold Perkins is at three hundred to one. No, I

648
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: like Luther Burden. But what you're counting on with Luther

649
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: Burden is quarterbacks looking pretty good but not great across

650
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: the board, right, that he is such an unstoppable force,

651
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: and even like as a freshman, they use him in

652
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 1: creative ways. So that's a pretty good answer. In Luther Burden.

653
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: It means that Miszoo will have such an electric offense

654
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: that his yards are gonna look cartoonish. And he's you know,

655
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: because like when DeVante Smith won, he will he's two

656
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: thirty eight yeards at halftime, right, so you're counting on that,

657
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: but he has experienced quarterback experience offensive coordinator there. I

658
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: like Avery Johnson as a wild card twenty five to one, Yeah,

659
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: something like that. He has the job dual threat, showed

660
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: flashes of real fun last year in time as a

661
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: relief type quarterback. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the backup quarterbacks.

662
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: In terms of long odds, t Mac is interesting to me.

663
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what his odds are at the moment,

664
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: but they're probably lower than Fefita, your two favorites.

665
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: By the way, right now at time of recording, this

666
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 2: will change the back I assume Marson, Beck and Quinn

667
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: viewers are about seven and a half to one.

668
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't hate Jackson Arnold, especially with the Purdue transfer

669
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, that he will have an opportunity, has

670
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: had time to develop in the system, that he'll have

671
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity to flash stupid numbers, and Oklahoma plays enough

672
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: big games early where he can become a household name

673
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: the first six weeks of the season. Yeah, Jackson Narold

674
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: is interesting to me because they're going to go downfield.

675
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Twitter for Rev. Dj EESQ. He

676
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: is the aforementioned Python Dan Nice. Don't know what that was,

677
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: but I'll continue, private equity is maybe coming to college football.

678
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: So who is your by low Sell High team or

679
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 2: by low Sell High conference, who has junk bond status already,

680
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. We even't talked a whole lot

681
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: about this, right, We talked a little bit about this

682
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: because Russ dumb talked a little bit about that any

683
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: of this, the private equity side of this. I'm going

684
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: to dumb this down as much as i can, but yeah,

685
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: this is in effect outside investment bank rolling in athletic

686
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: department to make a football team better.

687
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so who do you think is legit money away

688
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: like that has been standing in the way of them

689
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: being consistently competitive if not, Like if they had more money,

690
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, everything else is in place, whether it's coach,

691
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: whether it's development, what ever, that if they had that

692
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: infusion of cash, that their return would be so much

693
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: more on like competitively.

694
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: I mean Florida State would argue maybe them. They seem

695
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: to be the ones who are taking this proposal. They

696
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: can build a championship roster.

697
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: They just are unhappy with the ACC's place in the

698
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: world to play out the payout.

699
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, are there any obvious ones to you that

700
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: are money just money away from winning a championship? I

701
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: feel like in most cases it's a lot more complicated

702
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: than that.

703
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, who are the best coaches that you think

704
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: could win bigger with a consistent top fifteen recruiting class

705
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: if that's what it meant, right, if you're upgrading facilities,

706
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: if you know there's more money and whatever happens with

707
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: revenue sharing and nil and like whatever, Like who do

708
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: you think you're like if you gave this you know

709
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: CRV driver a Ferrari, that that's when they're winning the races,

710
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: like Kyle whittingtam I thought of Utah first and foremost. Yeah,

711
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: they've lost in state talent to big places. Quarterback Pine

712
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: sul to Oregon. They lost Jackson dart Its initially to

713
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: USC and Devin Brown I think to Ohio State. So

714
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: if they're keeping more talent in state and attracting more

715
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: regional talent because there's just more money there. They've retained

716
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: their coaches that they've liked, Ludwig and Morgan Scaley for

717
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: a good amount of time. Utah is an interesting team

718
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: that like a coach doing more with less, right, and

719
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: if you were to give him more, I think Utah's

720
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: an interesting answer. Kansas.

721
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Kansas State, but yeah, Kansas, Kansas State,

722
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: both of them. Landslide pulled Chris Cleman, two really good

723
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: coaches in the Big Twelve that perhaps, with some sort

724
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: of influx in cash, could get to the promised Land.

725
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: I think UCLA probably needs it. Get Ucla a stadium

726
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: right next to campus. As much as I love the

727
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl as like a postseason venue, is not a

728
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: fun stadium in season. You know, keep a lot of

729
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: that money in California, keep it an exciting place. I

730
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: don't hate that answer. I think that's a pretty good answer.

731
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Speaker 1: Who else? Who else do you think needs an usually

732
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: definitely needed that Big ten infusion of cash. They were

733
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: like one hundred million dollars in debt.

734
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a big time zag would be somebody like an

735
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Speaker 2: Oregon State or Washington State. Sure, not a quote unquote

736
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: power conference anymore, But to just back up the truck

737
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: with a gazillion dollars that you can use to bankroll

738
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: a football team and pay players and whatnot, it would

739
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: be an interesting conversation to have. That might be the

740
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: only thing that can save them at this point in

741
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Speaker 2: terms of the national conversation.

742
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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech Vandy, I'm thinking about locations. But you know,

743
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm not positive Clarkly is a strong coach. I'm not positive, Frank,

744
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: he's a strong coach. So somebody who has shown themselves

745
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: to be able to win with a little bit less

746
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: but could use that huge infusion of cash and talent

747
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: and prosperity.

748
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the Charlotte Sooner who says

749
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: was a long view lobo love that.

750
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Speaker 1: Oh nice?

751
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: What will be the first SEC record for my Sooners?

752
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Man? If they break five hundred this year, it's a

753
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: little bit shocking given the schedule and the road spreads.

754
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: The road splits are tough, the schedule is brutal. I

755
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: put down optimistically eight and four, So I mean, I see,

756
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying breaking five hundred sec schedule wise, they'll definitely

757
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: break five hundred overall.

758
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: They'll definitely break five hundred overall. But here's what their

759
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 2: path looks like in the SEC. They've got Tennessee at home,

760
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 2: They've got Auburn on the road. They've got the neutral

761
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: site game the Cotton Bowl against Texas Red River rivalry

762
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: South Carolina at home on the road at Ole Miss

763
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: on the road at Missou home against Alabama the next

764
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: week on the road at LSU, and then that does

765
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: it for the season. That's tough slate, man, that's a

766
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: really tough sleep.

767
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Speaker 1: So if we're.

768
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Speaker 2: Thinking eight and four overall, I could see them going

769
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: four and four thereabouts in the SEC.

770
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they go what ten and two in the

771
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Speaker 1: Big Twelve? Last year? They have first team All Big

772
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Speaker 1: Twelve quarterback in Dylan Gabriel. The defense took a pretty

773
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: sizable step forward last year from where they were two

774
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: years ago, and I expect to take another step forward.

775
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: Concerns right now about the offensive line, which is not

776
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: great heading into an SEC schedule, but I think it

777
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: should be okay new quarterback. I think it's Dion Burks

778
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: as the new ye, the Purdue transfer receiver who they're

779
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: pretty high on. I think they're gonna be good. I

780
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: really do think they're gonna be good. I think the

781
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: road splits are tough, so I'm going to say four

782
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: and four if things break right, five and three in

783
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Speaker 1: the SEC. But I think it's going to be an

784
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: adjustment year for Oklahoma.

785
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Facebook. I hope I'm saying this

786
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: name correctly. Lot of slaw. Okay, do scholarship.

787
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: Limits matter anymore?

788
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: No? Eighty five was a hard number, but now with

789
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: nil funding you can cover as many players as you want. Dan,

790
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: do the limits matter? I don't think they do anymore.

791
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: I think we've graduated past that, no pun intended. Yeah,

792
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: I think it's a different world now.

793
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Same. It depends who you are that you have

794
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: the nil money behind you to throw You know, however

795
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 1: much that the full cost of attendance is forty grand

796
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: a year to a glorified walk on.

797
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: But sure, I jotted this question down from Jordan on Patreon.

798
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: This is which non blue blood school could win a

799
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: championship and yet still manage to complain?

800
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I and I'm gonna speak for myself. I

801
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: don't think I got the definition of blue blood correct

802
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: at some point. So we're talking about historic powers, correct,

803
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: So some of these school like Oregon's not a historic power,

804
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: Oregon's been decent since like the mid nineties, but like,

805
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: we're pretty atrocious for decades upon decades. Oregon fans would

806
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: definitely complain and find a way to complain. I think

807
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: the most obvious team sec wise would be Texas A

808
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: and M. They have not been a blue blood in

809
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: the modern era at all. They have not been a

810
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: historic power in the way that we talk about Oklahoma

811
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: or Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Florida State, and

812
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: any of those places, even though Florida State success is

813
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of recent eighties on and Texas A and M,

814
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: I think will perennially have that complex about Texas in

815
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: state all the time, all the time. So I think

816
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: you're still going to get a little bit of Ajida

817
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: if Texas A and M were to win it. That

818
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: they weren't being respected enough for what they've done, and

819
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: that you know, they're not being seen in the same

820
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: light as LSU or in Alabama, even though they should

821
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: be now that they've won a national championship. I think

822
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Speaker 1: that's my and that's just it's a very vocal, emotional,

823
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: opinionated fan base, as most are.

824
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Speaker 2: I found an article I think it was from twenty

825
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: four to seven or one of the sports sites that

826
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Speaker 2: did not list Penn State as a blue blood.

827
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Speaker 1: I would list Penn State as a blue blood, to.

828
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Speaker 2: Which I said, okay, if they're not a blue blood

829
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: by their definition. I'm putting them on this list because

830
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: I know the fan base well, they would find a

831
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: way to complain.

832
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: I would put Penn State there. Yeah, I would too,

833
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: But I think A and m's a good answer. I

834
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: had A and M has three claim national championships in

835
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Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty seven, and nineteen thirty nine.

836
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Speaker 2: Go to Anthony on Facebook, he said he was a

837
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Speaker 2: Husky nice speaking of Penn State. What are the implications

838
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 2: of the lawsuits and the allegations at Penn State?

839
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Speaker 1: Have you followed?

840
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 2: Said all, Dan, a little bit, but I'm sure not

841
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: like you have. Yeah, so I don't think much will

842
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: come of this. To answer your question, Anthony, but the

843
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: summary is that doctor Scott Lynch, formerly part of the

844
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: training staff, won a wrongful termination suit. Now, notably, at

845
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: some point through this whole journey, both James Franklin and

846
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: Penn State University were removed as defendants in the suit,

847
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: so this case was actually against the hospital that previously

848
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 2: employed Lynch. He did win, He won five and a

849
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: quarter million dollars. The question here, though, is whether or

850
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: not James Franklin or anyone at Penn State interfered with

851
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: medical decisions, which is what a lot of this centered around.

852
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: Penn State itself conducted something of an audit a couple

853
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 2: of years ago. They found no evidence of actual wrongdoing

854
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 2: or rules breaking. They did find evidence of quote unquote

855
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: friction between James Franklin and this guy, but ultimately no

856
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: rules were broken that they could conclude.

857
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: It was the story that came out about that was

858
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Speaker 1: James Franklin and the doctor, and the doctor saying that

859
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: James Franklin tried to intervene with correct, a player who

860
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: was talking about mental health issues. Correct his place on

861
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: the team. Yeah. Correct.

862
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: So the plaintiff also acknowledged in his legal filings that

863
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: at no point was the actual medical care for athletes

864
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: influenced by coaches or anyone at the university. It's it's

865
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: a gray area. Of course, there is really a smoking

866
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: gun here. The university said it was disappointed, so they

867
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: obviously think that they're in the right here and that

868
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: they're innocent. My sense is that nothing ultimately comes from

869
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: this in terms of actual ramifications. I know there was

870
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 2: some speculation that was running rampant online about what could

871
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 2: happen as a result. I have not heard anything along

872
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: those lines. But I will say as a Penn Stater,

873
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: as somebody who has lived through scandals at Penn State.

874
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Penn State needs to be especially detail oriented. They

875
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: need to be detail oriented.

876
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: They need to be very sensitive to the fact that

877
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: there is now this horrible stigma that goes along with

878
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: university and how it handles very sensitive matters such as this,

879
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: and so whatever they do, however they address it moving forward,

880
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: though I don't think there's going to be true implications

881
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: and ramifications that are going to be super public in

882
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: terms of the football program.

883
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: We cover football on this show.

884
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: I do hope that whatever they do from a university

885
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: standpoint is something that makes them better, because we just can't.

886
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: We can't have stuff like this in the Penn State universe.

887
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: It is not good. It's never been good. It's even

888
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: worse now. So just be mindful, guys, of how we

889
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: approach this thing moving forward and make sure that we're

890
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: doing everything by the letter of the law, because I

891
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: don't like to read stories like this same All right,

892
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: good question Anthony, final one here on Patreon from David.

893
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: David wants to know what do you think about dealing

894
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: with your child going to college at a rival school. Okay,

895
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: as a parent, you should never tell your kids.

896
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: College football fandom is an infection.

897
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: Continue should never tell your kid that he or she

898
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: can't go to a school they want to go to.

899
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: But how do you handle visits, tire, attending sporting events,

900
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: et cetera. My kid, who has zero interest in sports,

901
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: almost attended arrival of my school. We did a visit

902
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: of the campus. I was careful to leave all of

903
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: my attire at home, but I forgot that my credit

904
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: card has my school logo on it. Nice Thankfully nobody commented,

905
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 2: but I was self conscious about it. By the way,

906
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: my kid ended up going to DePaul, which let's just say,

907
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: raises no such concerns. Dan, Yeah, you know, I kind

908
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: of did this myself.

909
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of did this.

910
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: The Penn State Lee High rivalry, the Penn State Lee

911
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: High rivalry is very, very toward, of course, But I

912
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: grew up rooting against Penn State.

913
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: I was an honor fan. I was a Notre Dame fan.

914
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't as if Notre Dame and Penn State were

915
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: maybe the same level of rivals is what David is describing.

916
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: But I went to a rival school. In my mind,

917
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: Penn State Notre Dame grew up in this part of

918
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 2: the world, and two fan bases that were always kind

919
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: of like at each other's throats, and so in this case,

920
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: I guess I was both David and the kid and

921
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: it worked out okay for me.

922
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I've never been a parent.

923
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: You're a parent, Yeah, well to your knowledge, yes, yeah, yeah,

924
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: how would you deal with this?

925
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: So if one of my boys went to Washington or

926
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: something like that, yeah, fine, it's totally okay. So here

927
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: here's the reality of something like this. I might be

928
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: the wrong person ask because like all of the the

929
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: emotion of being a fan has drained out of me.

930
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm still emotional as an Oregon fan, but over

931
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: the years with this show and understanding how the sport

932
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: works and fandom works, and seeing the stories all over

933
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: the sport, like when it becomes like a real life thing,

934
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: and one of my boys wants to go to the

935
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: University of Washington because what they like Seattle or they

936
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: like some program that's at Washington or whatever. Fine, great,

937
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: my little brother went to Washington and it's fun. It's

938
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: a fun like, you know, we made annual bets on

939
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: the Oregon Washington game. I think I owe him some

940
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: pizza still in the last couple of years. But it's fun,

941
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: and so I guess the only real life contentious thing

942
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: with a kid going to another school because it is

943
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: all like if you went to Alabama and your kid

944
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: goes to Auburn and your long legacy of Alabama. As

945
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: long as you treat it in like a good natured way,

946
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: which not everybody does, I get like, it's fun, it's

947
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: fun ribbing each other back and forth, you make an

948
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: annual bet. Like I know people that like they come

949
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: like they went to Michigan, their wife went to Michigan,

950
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: kid went to Michigan State. Now, the only time it

951
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: can be tense is if like the kid wanted to

952
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: go to a certain school and didn't get in and

953
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: then went to a rival because it was easier to

954
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: get into. Then you're treading into like, oh, well, you

955
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: couldn't get into Michigan or you couldn't get into blah

956
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: blah blah school. So I guess you're rooting for that

957
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: fallback school. Now, as long as the parents are in

958
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: dicks about something like that, I think you're okay. I

959
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: think it's Okay, to make peace with that. If your

960
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: kid is happy then And that's a very boring answer,

961
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: but I think there's so much more fun to be

962
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,919
Speaker 1: had by going to rival schools. And you know there's

963
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: that financial element too, Like all of a sudden, you're

964
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: paying tuition, yes, whatever percentage of tuition for your kid

965
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: to go to a rival school. I can understand how

966
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: that stings. That's a human thing, But the actual process

967
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: of that kid going to a rival school. I just

968
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: think you take it in good fun because what are

969
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: you gonna do not talk to them? Yeah?

970
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: Well, in most cases what we're talking about here is

971
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: like major college football, Yes, and in most cases I

972
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: can't speak for all. You're talking about two great universities, sure,

973
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: talking about two great places to fund experience. Is it

974
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: with awesome atmosphere, places that appreciate the value of this

975
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: sport and what it means to both fan bases. There

976
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: is some level of not being rivals but instead being

977
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: worthy adversaries. Sure, And I think you steer into that

978
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: part of it to your point, right, appreciate the weirdness,

979
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: Steer into the weirdness, the uncomfortableness of it, and be

980
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: good natured about It is what I would say, and

981
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: if nothing more, it makes the dinner table a lot

982
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: more exciting on Thanksgiving all the way from breaks as

983
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: that rivalry week is coming up or about to be

984
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 2: played or whatever.

985
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: On Thanksgiving Week, there's so much trolling fun to be had. Yeah,

986
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: like in the way that like a school will replay

987
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter in which they choked away a game

988
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: all off season long in the weight room to keep

989
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: people inspired. When your kid comes home and they just

990
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: lost the rivalry game to your school, and the game

991
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: just happens to be replaying on all of the TVs

992
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: in the house, it's great keep the emotions high.

993
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: If you want to go real hard in the other direction, yeah,

994
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: assuming the child is eighteen and now considered a legal

995
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: adult in the United States of America, you could just

996
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: change the locks. Yeah, you could go hard in the

997
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: other direction. That's true, break on them all, communication.

998
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: Send her on your own cut off. Yeah, I'm sure

999
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: that's happened before, but not my cup of tea. Maybe

1000
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: it's yours, David. Let's say so, you meet solid wife

1001
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: Kate at work in whatever it was twenty ten, twenty eleven.

1002
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: You're vibing, but you don't know a lot of facts

1003
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: about her. You don't know her background. If you were

1004
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: to find out that she went to whatever school, Is

1005
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: there a school or a group of schools that if

1006
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: you found out that she went to Ohio State, she

1007
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: went to Harvard, Like, would there anything that any any

1008
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: alma mater that would change the calculus in her head

1009
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: about who she might be based on where she went

1010
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: to school, Like if she were an Ivy League grad,

1011
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: if she didn't graduate from colle if she went to

1012
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: like what you perceived to be like an obnoxious alumni base,

1013
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: is there that situation? Probably not for me, No, okay,

1014
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: for you? Probably a couple nothing crazy serious. I might

1015
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: be more intimidated. If Jody went to like MIT, be

1016
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: like I gotta be on my game. This girl went

1017
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: to cal Tech, that would be that would be tough

1018
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: for me. I don't think I've dated anybody that went

1019
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: to that level an institution. All due respect to Michigan

1020
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: very strong, very strong school, but it wouldn't be like

1021
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't consider a relationship because I'm I'm so turned

1022
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: off or I'm so intimidated or something like that. I

1023
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: don't think I would.

1024
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm thinking of right now what I'm

1025
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: thinking of that old ESPN commercial with the guy in

1026
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: the Michigan and the girl in the Ohio state, or

1027
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: maybe it was flipped where they're sitting on the couch

1028
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: making out.

1029
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: It would be a tough if, like again, lost to

1030
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: Michigan in the National Championship. I don't know if I

1031
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: would want to, like be consoled by Jody with an eye.

1032
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: Do you think she would care enough though, to really

1033
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: gall you? Probably not, but like a version of Jody

1034
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: that really cared in an unhealthy way about Michigan. That

1035
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: would be tough to lose a huge game to a

1036
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: spouse or a kid, like I know this is the

1037
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: spouse pivot that I've made, not the kid question. That'd

1038
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: be tough. And listen. I watched an Oregon Michigan NC double,

1039
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: like a bit Elite eight Sweet sixteen something like that,

1040
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: and she was super into that team. It was like

1041
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: a Mo Wagner Michigan team, and Oregon beat Michigan and

1042
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: it was like coming down to it with like forty

1043
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: eight seconds left and it was a three point game,

1044
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: and she like grabbed my hand because she was nervous,

1045
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: and I was like ah, wrong guy, wrong guy there,

1046
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: So that would be that would be the the other direction.

1047
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: But no, And in terms of like long term letting

1048
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: it affect me, probably not at this point. But you know,

1049
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: I got a few years until I'm faced with that

1050
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: potential conundrum. Maybe my feelings will change.

1051
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: Soliverbaldgmail dot com, as always is the email let let

1052
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,120
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1053
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,080
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1054
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1055
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1056
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1057
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1058
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 2: the off season, highlighting some of the finer points of

1059
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: college football traditions, goofy players you've forgotten about situations that

1060
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,120
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1063
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1064
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: That helps us dramatically. I just sent you my real

1065
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: answer to that question, by the way, Oh you did,

1066
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, but keep it silent. Yeah, we'll keep

1067
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: that one silent. Good. That would be like who I

1068
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: don't know fair enough.

1069
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: What do we like?

1070
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: Just like a friend thing? Yeah, Like, I'm just I'm

1071
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: not looking for anything serious right now. I'm not like

1072
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: in a relationship. And see where you're coming from on

1073
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, all right, that's all. This was fun.

1074
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: Look, we've got more questions that we're gonna dive in

1075
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: and talk about on our bonus episode. Verballers dot com

1076
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: is where you can go and find out more about that.

1077
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: V e r B A L l e r s

1078
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Speaker 2: dot com. In the meantime, though, thank you to one

1079
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 2: in all for sending in so many damn questions.

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Speaker 1: This is all fun. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: from myself, Tie Hildebrand, we.

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00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: Made at two parts. I love this is fun, Tai,

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Speaker 1: stay solid, peace,