WEBVTT - The A&G Replay Thursday Hour Four

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong's Joe, Katty arm Strong.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jetty and He Armstrong and Getty Strong. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be breaking up family. So the only way

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<v Speaker 2>you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Break up the family is you keep them together, and

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<v Speaker 3>you have to send them.

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<v Speaker 2>All back there you go.

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<v Speaker 4>Trump, in response to the inevitable question, you say you

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to poor people, Are you going to separate families?

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<v Speaker 5>Always asked from the point of view of it being bad,

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<v Speaker 5>even though he ran on that got elected and sixty

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<v Speaker 5>percent of people approve of it. So I just drives

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<v Speaker 5>me nuts.

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<v Speaker 4>Whenever we talk about this, I'm reminded of my youthful

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<v Speaker 4>idea of living in Germany to work and study and

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like that. Because I studied German, thought that might

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<v Speaker 4>be interesting. And it became clear that there were severe

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<v Speaker 4>limitations in getting into the country than staying in there

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<v Speaker 4>and working was very, very difficult. You had to get

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<v Speaker 4>permits and stuff like that, so I and I accepted that.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, well, that's unfortunate, but it is what it is,

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<v Speaker 4>the idea that I would go to Germany sneak in

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<v Speaker 4>and then when they say, hey, you don't have authorization

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<v Speaker 4>to be here, and you certainly don't have authorization to

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<v Speaker 4>work me saying how are you gonna separate me and

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<v Speaker 4>my family? And what would the Germans say to that, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>they'd say it in German, so you wouldn't understand it, folks.

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<v Speaker 4>But what it would mean essentially is be quiet and

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<v Speaker 4>get back in line.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not our problem.

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<v Speaker 5>We got a bunch of clips, but I thought maybe

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<v Speaker 5>the most important one that should have gotten a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of attention but didn't from Trump was when he was

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<v Speaker 5>asked about do you ran on retribution? And he said,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really looking to make our country successful. I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>looking to go back into the past. I'm looking to

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<v Speaker 5>make our country successful. Retribution will be through success. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>there's your hitler for you. There's your hitler, there's your

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<v Speaker 5>there will never be another election again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and he has made that point repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 5>The retribution is how successful we're going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That lays it to rest. Well, it's such a good

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<v Speaker 2>clickbaiting narrative.

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<v Speaker 4>The lion liars in the media and Kristen Welker is

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<v Speaker 4>their unholy princess.

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<v Speaker 2>They just can't leave that to the narrative alone. Stop it.

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<v Speaker 5>There are real problems with Trump quld making stuff up right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>all right, So back to Trump and Welker. A lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people have enjoyed this clip. It's thirty seven, Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>They are discussing January sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>In general.

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<v Speaker 6>Officials say that the order never came in for the

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<v Speaker 6>National Arts on January sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this about j six Josh.

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<v Speaker 3>Wrote in a statement that he has destroyed all evidence.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me ask you this about January sixth.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish you could be a if you you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you have such potential, if you could be just just

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<v Speaker 3>non biased. You hurt yourself so badly. I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 3>they deleted and destroyed all the evidence. Everyone knows it,

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<v Speaker 3>and you sluff it off like it doesn't mean anything.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I did it, deny it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, if I did it, you would be standing up

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<v Speaker 3>in that chairs shouting at me, and you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I do, I'd say, you got me.

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<v Speaker 5>My main takeaway with that is, Okay, you're gonna ask

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<v Speaker 5>him about January sixth again and try to get him

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<v Speaker 5>to admit to something or whatever. Do you I assume,

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<v Speaker 5>Kristin Walker, you don't like Trump and don't want him

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<v Speaker 5>to have power and be elected.

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<v Speaker 2>You're helping him. You're helping him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, the majority of people are like whatever, move on

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<v Speaker 5>to something else. I know a lot of super hardcore

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<v Speaker 5>Trumpeters would love to talk about January sixth for the

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<v Speaker 5>rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not where most of America is.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, America saw it, and they had a choice

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<v Speaker 4>between Trump and then Biden and then Harris and saying

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<v Speaker 4>goodness said, we're not electing either one of them. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he brings with him that baggage. But let's let's look

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<v Speaker 4>to that. What are we accomplishing by relitigating it at

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<v Speaker 4>this point? And Jack and I were both harshly critical

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<v Speaker 4>of Trump then, and I have not changed my opinion

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<v Speaker 4>of his activities on the day one ioda.

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<v Speaker 2>I still condemn it.

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<v Speaker 5>And yet here we are, excuse me, in the year

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty four, with a hell of a lot on

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<v Speaker 5>her plate.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get on it.

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<v Speaker 4>So speing which Christin Welker, who again, I should have

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<v Speaker 4>written out all of my various insulting adjectives I'd had

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<v Speaker 4>in my head to use for her, because I find

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<v Speaker 4>her obnoxious, smugly, one sided, and snotty.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh just not a good person anyway. Ah, she brought

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<v Speaker 2>up the.

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<v Speaker 4>Federal minimum wage and clip thirty nine B.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if you remember this, but during the

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<v Speaker 6>debate in twenty twenty, I asked you if you would

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<v Speaker 6>raise the minimum wage. You said you would consider it.

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<v Speaker 6>And so my question for you is now that you

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<v Speaker 6>are going back to the White House for these nineteen

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<v Speaker 6>states that voted for you, are you going to raise

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<v Speaker 6>the effects.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very low number. I will agree, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>very low number. Let me give you the downside though.

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<v Speaker 3>In California they raise it up to a very high number,

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<v Speaker 3>and your restaurants are going out of business all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place. The population is shrinking. It's had a very

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<v Speaker 3>negative impact. But there is a level at which you

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<v Speaker 3>could do it. Absolutely what is that level? Do you?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>can say this, you have a lot of businesses that

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<v Speaker 3>are open and thriving because of the lower minimum wage.

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<v Speaker 3>If you raise it too much, and you understand this,

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<v Speaker 3>if California went crazy, they went crazy, and people the

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<v Speaker 3>restaurants are closing, all of them, many more people are hurt.

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<v Speaker 6>So I hear you saying similarly to sort of what

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<v Speaker 6>you said in twenty twenty, will you consider.

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<v Speaker 2>This something you're going to look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd want to speak to the governors. And the other

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<v Speaker 3>thing that's very complicated about minimum wages is places are

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<v Speaker 3>so different. Mississippi and al and great places are very

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<v Speaker 3>different than New York or California. I mean in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the cost of living and other things. So it'd

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<v Speaker 3>be nice to have just a minimum wage for the

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<v Speaker 3>whole country, but it wouldn't work because you have places

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<v Speaker 3>where it's very inexpensive to live, where a minimum wage,

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<v Speaker 3>which is eight or nine dollars might be, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>might have very much, very little effect because the cost

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<v Speaker 3>of living in certain places is really low.

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<v Speaker 2>This makes me so tired, I know.

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<v Speaker 5>So, first of all, he's the leader of what is

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<v Speaker 5>now the working Class Party, and raising the minimum wage polls.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's unfortunate. I think with a.

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<v Speaker 5>Five minutes of explanation, you could explain to a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people why it's not actually good for you to

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<v Speaker 5>raise the minimum wage. But Trump realizes, you know, the

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<v Speaker 5>party that he's leading. But even when he states to

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<v Speaker 5>her there's a downside.

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<v Speaker 2>To raising the min wage.

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<v Speaker 5>She just completely blows that off and goes with the

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<v Speaker 5>next question of obviously it would be good for everyone

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<v Speaker 5>to raise the minimum wage. I feel like I should

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<v Speaker 5>inject here from one of your Thomas swell so Well

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<v Speaker 5>quotes on Twitter about the minimum wage, the minimum wage

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<v Speaker 5>law is very cleverly misnamed. The real minimum wage is zero,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is what many inexperienced and low skilled people

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<v Speaker 5>receive as a result of legislation that makes it illegal

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<v Speaker 5>to pay them what they're currently worth to an employer.

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<v Speaker 4>Well said, very succinctly said Trump frustrates me always because

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<v Speaker 4>he does just a half assed job of of explaining

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<v Speaker 4>some of the principles that I hold dear.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, he is what he is. But the

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<v Speaker 2>federal minimum wage.

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<v Speaker 4>Is to call it irrelevant is to exaggerate how relevant

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<v Speaker 4>it is. It is a complete non factor in anyone's life.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a silly discussion. If states want minimum wages, they

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<v Speaker 4>should pass them. There is, you know, with the exception

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<v Speaker 4>of a couple like enslaved immigrants who are probably trying

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<v Speaker 4>to escape right now, and I wish them well, there

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<v Speaker 4>is nobody in America who is exchanging their labor for

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<v Speaker 4>a wage that they are unwilling to exchange their labor

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<v Speaker 4>for nobody. If you don't want to do a job

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<v Speaker 4>at a particular wage, you will not take that job.

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<v Speaker 4>The idea that the government can, somehow, especially the federal government,

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<v Speaker 4>prop up some sort of minimum it's just it ignores

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<v Speaker 4>everything that is the most fundamental about economics. It's just silly.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a silly question. I mean it's it's pretty silly

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<v Speaker 4>on the state level. On the federal level, it's completely ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Sat You're gonna have a minimum wage for Coonhuller, Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 4>And what is that gonna do for the people in Seattle,

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<v Speaker 4>for instance, or La Nothing? It's just dopey kristin Ohy.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the main business in Coonhuller?

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<v Speaker 4>Squirrel skinning, mostly squirrel peltsol, squirrel coats, squirrel hats.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm making sell I make and sell frog gigging sticks. Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>you're the jack of Jack's froggy. Yes, jack sticks are

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<v Speaker 5>very pointy. My daddy used to tell me, boy, you

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<v Speaker 5>go frog gigg and son. You don't have jack sticks,

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<v Speaker 5>you might as well have popstickle stick.

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<v Speaker 2>Eh.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, I assume you stab the frogs or something. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>see which what else do we want to play? I

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<v Speaker 4>like where he calls her hostile and nasty. Yeah, let's

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<v Speaker 4>play for you, Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>The press has to straightened himself out, because honestly, it's

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<v Speaker 3>lost all credibility based on the press. I should have

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<v Speaker 3>gotten no votes, none, and yet I got the highest

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<v Speaker 3>number ever. And the reason is because I'm able to

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<v Speaker 3>go on a show even like yours, even though you're

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<v Speaker 3>very hostile, I'm able to go on a show like yours.

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<v Speaker 2>No you are.

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<v Speaker 6>Hopefully you thought it was a fair interview. We covered

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of policy grounds, which fair only in.

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<v Speaker 3>That you allowed me to say what I said. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the answers the questions are you know, asty.

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<v Speaker 2>But look that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you would think the press would like to

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<v Speaker 3>see strongboarders, great education, are powerful military. So we have

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<v Speaker 3>a country left and all these different things, and somehow

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want to see that.

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<v Speaker 4>As always, I wish I could, you know, be the

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<v Speaker 4>fly or not the fly on the wall, but the

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<v Speaker 4>voice in Trump's here and have him say, like you've

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<v Speaker 4>pointed out, Jack many times, you ask every question from

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<v Speaker 4>the perspective of liberal Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>More than half the country is conservative.

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<v Speaker 5>Ask a question from their perspective ones you might like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And on some specific issues like the deportation, there's

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<v Speaker 2>polling that shows the vast majority it's in ease. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a sixty to forty win for deporting illegals, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>why why ask it from the point of view of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Forty speaking of which she asked every single one of

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<v Speaker 4>her immigration questions from the perspective of AOC pretending to

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<v Speaker 4>cry in a parking lot mile away. The phoniness thirty one.

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<v Speaker 4>He's talking about, you know, supporting people and you know

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<v Speaker 4>both ends of the equator.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the people that have been treated very unfairly

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<v Speaker 3>are the people that have been online for ten years

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<v Speaker 3>to come into the country. And we're going to make

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<v Speaker 3>it very easy for people to come in in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of they have to pass the test. They have to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to tell you what the statue of liberty is.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to tell you a little bit about our country.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to love our country. They can't come out

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<v Speaker 3>of prisons. We don't want people that are in for murder.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to get the criminals out of our country.

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<v Speaker 3>And we got to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we're going to let the good people in, the

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<v Speaker 5>smart people who we can use, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>get rid of the murderers.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about separating families? What the hell?

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<v Speaker 7>Armstrong and see Armstrong and Getty show.

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<v Speaker 2>We got this text out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you know why hippies were petruli oil so blind

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<v Speaker 5>people can hate them too?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's that's beautiful. Here's your freedom loving quote of

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<v Speaker 2>the day.

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<v Speaker 4>One of our beloved listeners sent this to us next

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<v Speaker 4>to a big picture of Captain America, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>Captain America saying this, And I understand this is a

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<v Speaker 4>speech he gives to buck up Spider Man at one

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<v Speaker 4>point during the movies, And I thought, boy, this is

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<v Speaker 4>really eloquent for one of your one of your comic

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<v Speaker 4>book movies. Did the script write or write write this?

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<v Speaker 4>And I did a little digging and no, it's actually

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<v Speaker 4>a very very close paraphrase of something Mark Twain said. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 4>but I liked it so much I posted it up

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<v Speaker 4>in the studio so I could glance at it now.

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<v Speaker 4>And again, I will give you the Twain version, which

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<v Speaker 4>only is only subtly.

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<v Speaker 5>Different as opposed to Captain America. Okay, it does. It

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<v Speaker 5>does lend him a little more gravitas.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, unless you're fighting off a ma then I'd rather

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<v Speaker 4>have a captain on my side than the scribe. Honestly

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<v Speaker 4>love Captain America kicks ass, Twain incredibly eloquent. Captain America

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<v Speaker 4>definitely stronger on the whoop ass front.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're fighting the Winter Soldier, you want Captain America,

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<v Speaker 5>not Mark Twain.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree completely. Anyway, here's what Twain said. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>little long, but I love it so much. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 4>could work in a little email later on. Let men

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<v Speaker 4>label you as they may. If you alone, of all

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<v Speaker 4>the nation, decide one way, and that way be the

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<v Speaker 4>right way. By your convictions of the right, You've done

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<v Speaker 4>your duty, by yourself and by your country, holding up

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<v Speaker 4>your head, for you have nothing to be ashamed of.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't matter what the press says. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 5>what the politicians or the mobs say. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 5>if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.

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<v Speaker 5>Republics are founded on one principle above all else, the

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<v Speaker 5>requirement that we stand up for what we believe in,

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<v Speaker 5>no matter the odds or the consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>When the mob and the press and the whole world

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<v Speaker 2>tell you to move.

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<v Speaker 4>Your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside

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<v Speaker 4>the river of truth and tell the whole world world, no,

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<v Speaker 4>you move. Mark fing Twain, that's two people understand, that's

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<v Speaker 4>his middle name.

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<v Speaker 5>That's really good stuff if it's the right cause or thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Interestingly enough, and maybe I'll explain later why this happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I was listening to a speech last night FBI recordings

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<v Speaker 5>of Jim Jones down Guyana, before he had all those

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<v Speaker 5>people kill themselves, the Jim Jones cult, that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 5>He gave a very similar speech there, as he had

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<v Speaker 5>convinced all those numb nuts that the world was out

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<v Speaker 5>to get them and they were doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very similar speech. I had no idea you'd heard that.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew in my heart of hearts you would come

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<v Speaker 4>up with some counter argument against that thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to know it.

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<v Speaker 4>It just you just have to have you just have

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<v Speaker 4>to just you know, it works when the cause is

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<v Speaker 4>right right. But that's irrelevant an as an observation of society,

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<v Speaker 4>it's one hundred correct as a principle. That some people

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<v Speaker 4>employ it wrongly is irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right. I think it's a moral principle. Both are true.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that a head scratcher? It is anyway, mailbag.

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<v Speaker 4>Drop usnowl yourmail bag at Armstrong and Getdy dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh oh Madden Honolulu with a really interesting note about

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<v Speaker 4>the Honolulu getaway pad that those Chinese spies who infiltrated

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<v Speaker 4>New York's government pad. But his sign off is he says,

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<v Speaker 4>our one more Thing yesterday on price controls and gouging

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<v Speaker 4>should be mandatory listening to graduate from high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for the kind words.

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<v Speaker 4>You can grab that wherever you like to get podcasts

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<v Speaker 4>Armstrong and Getty One more Thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Listen to it out again, speaking of counterintuitive price gouging

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<v Speaker 5>is a good thing and that and it makes perfect

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<v Speaker 5>economic sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to the One More Thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Podcast and it's the best thing that can happen for

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<v Speaker 4>poor people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's see.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, what a contrast, writes Joe and Ventura, California. Notice

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<v Speaker 4>this on my local freeway off ramp, winner and loser.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a young man appears to be of immigrants,

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<v Speaker 4>stock selling bouquets of flowers to cars whoever want some

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<v Speaker 4>flowers On the way home and there's a scumbag junkie begging.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a good one. That's a good one. You got

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<v Speaker 5>people there on the corner. This happens driving out to

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<v Speaker 5>the farm. When I go home. Sometimes you got people

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<v Speaker 5>on the corner selling strawberries. Usually a whole family in

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<v Speaker 5>the hot sun, set up their table, got their you know,

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<v Speaker 5>station wagon there selling strawberries.

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<v Speaker 2>You got people just begging on the street. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll see how much the people that are working their

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<v Speaker 5>ass off sitting there in the sun selling the strawberries

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<v Speaker 5>can't have much respect for the beggar on.

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<v Speaker 2>The street, he says.

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<v Speaker 4>Wouldn't it be ironic if this was a planned social

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<v Speaker 4>science experiments to see what kind of reactions could be

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<v Speaker 4>A litle from the drivers, I admit I it was

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<v Speaker 4>guilty of making my opinion known. A big thumbs up

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<v Speaker 4>to the winner and down to the loser. Care to

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<v Speaker 4>put your own caption on this photo?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Thanks, Joe.

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<v Speaker 5>Quick question for you, what if you happen to miss

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<v Speaker 1>Strong, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember why Tim La Lawyer's name came up yesterday.

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<v Speaker 5>We're talking about that amazing story of that poor guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Gee and his wife are at a Disney property.

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<v Speaker 5>He says that they told the waiter, look, my wife

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<v Speaker 5>has peanut allergy or fruit out or something like that

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<v Speaker 5>really bad, so we can't have anything that's touching nuts

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever. Anyway, she ends up getting some food that's

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<v Speaker 5>got the allergic stuff in it and she dies. She

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<v Speaker 5>actually dies at one of these Disney properties. So he's

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<v Speaker 5>looking into suing. Not for very much money. It was

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<v Speaker 5>a fifty five thousand dollars, so it's not like one

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<v Speaker 5>of those, you know, you only ten million dollar things.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, found out that because he had signed up

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<v Speaker 5>for Disney Plus and clicked I agree on the agreement

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<v Speaker 5>thing at ten thirty at night once without reading a

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<v Speaker 5>word of the agreement, he had agreed to no trials

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<v Speaker 5>by jury that go after Disney in any way whatsoever

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<v Speaker 5>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I agreed to that by watching Disney place. Who knew that?

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<v Speaker 5>And just all these agreements that we all click on

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<v Speaker 5>every single week on something we haven't got the slightest

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<v Speaker 5>idea what's in there that needs.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fixed.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just one of several topics we can't wait to

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<v Speaker 4>discuss with Tim Sanderfer, vice president for Legal Affairs at

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<v Speaker 4>the Goldwater Institute, author of a number of fabulous tomes, including,

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<v Speaker 4>and this will come up in a little while, the

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<v Speaker 4>right to earn a living, which is all about economic freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim, welcome, How are you, sir? I'm just fine.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks for having me back the course.

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<v Speaker 5>Is there some sort of way we can do away

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<v Speaker 5>with these agreements that we all click on that are

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred pagees long and we'd have to hire a

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<v Speaker 5>lawyer and spend a lot of money to figure out

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<v Speaker 5>what the hell they mean?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, so the legal term for that kind of a

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<v Speaker 8>contract that they call it a contract of adhesion, which

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<v Speaker 8>is when somebody holds out this document says take it

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<v Speaker 8>or leave it. Just if you want the thing, you

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<v Speaker 8>got to agree to it. There's no negotiation, just go

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<v Speaker 8>with it. And judges tend to be pretty skeptical of

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<v Speaker 8>contracts of adhesion because it is a dangerous kind of

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<v Speaker 8>situation where a person might not know what they're getting

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<v Speaker 8>into when they sign the agreement. And so I think

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<v Speaker 8>if you were to try and argue, as Disney is,

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<v Speaker 8>arguing that because you agreed to a completely different service,

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<v Speaker 8>one that had nothing to do with the injury that

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<v Speaker 8>actually occurred, because you agreed to arbitration there where now

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<v Speaker 8>you can't have a trial over here for this other thing,

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<v Speaker 8>I honestly think that's a hard argument to persuade a judge.

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<v Speaker 8>And now, of course it depends on the states. California

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<v Speaker 8>courts are very hostile to arbitration. They really don't like

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<v Speaker 8>the idea that you can be required to go to

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<v Speaker 8>arbitration instead of a court of law. But there are

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<v Speaker 8>lots of advantages to arbitration, including for people who are

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<v Speaker 8>suing a business. Arbitration is faster, it's overseen by people

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<v Speaker 8>who are knowledgeable legal you know, judges and lawyers who

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<v Speaker 8>know what they're doing and tend to be experts in

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<v Speaker 8>like personal injury and business and things like this, Whereas

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<v Speaker 8>a jury is made up of just the twelve people

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<v Speaker 8>who showed up for jury duty that day. So there

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<v Speaker 8>are advantages to going by through arbitration, but forcing somebody

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<v Speaker 8>into arbitration because they agreed to a completely different service

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<v Speaker 8>at a completely different time by a boilerplate contract of adhesion.

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<v Speaker 8>I think judges are going to be really skeptical of

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<v Speaker 8>that attempt.

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<v Speaker 2>The example, Yes, I was about to lay that out.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to say, my daughter has just started

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<v Speaker 4>law school, has already learned, well, she's actually working in

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<v Speaker 4>the law for several years. That it depends is the

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<v Speaker 4>all purpose answer for every question that's legal. But the

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<v Speaker 4>idea that I would I would get Disney Plus to

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<v Speaker 4>watch the Mandalorian. Then I go to Disneyland and Goofy

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<v Speaker 4>beats me into Acoma with a steel rod, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>not actionable because I signed that. That's it depends where

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<v Speaker 4>that happens. I guess, yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, for one thing, you cannot waive your liability for

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<v Speaker 8>intentional or reckless harm you. So Disney is not allowed

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<v Speaker 8>to say you're never allowed to sue us if Goofy

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<v Speaker 8>beats you.

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<v Speaker 2>Up with a metal raw Oh good.

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<v Speaker 8>They can require you to go to arbitration instead of

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<v Speaker 8>a legal court. If you have a dispute over Disney

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<v Speaker 8>Plus as part of the user agreement, and you do

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<v Speaker 8>have what lawyers call the duty to read before clicking

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<v Speaker 8>the button. It is you are legally bound by these things,

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<v Speaker 8>and you have to be honest because otherwise modern industry

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<v Speaker 8>would collapse.

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<v Speaker 2>Do need to read? But so like you, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have kids.

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<v Speaker 5>But if you had kids, you go to the jumpatorium

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<v Speaker 5>like I do, where they jump on the trampolines, and

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<v Speaker 5>you have to sign a waiver before your kid can

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<v Speaker 5>jump on the trampoline. And you go over to the

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<v Speaker 5>waiver and it's like thirty pages long, and I and

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<v Speaker 5>every other parent there just scroll to the bottom clicks

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<v Speaker 5>I agree, and your kids put on their socks and

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<v Speaker 5>they go jump. You, as a lawyer, would you read

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<v Speaker 5>all that stuff or what would you do?

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<v Speaker 8>You absolutely have to read all this Now, I will

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<v Speaker 8>say there's actually a case directly on that issue from

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<v Speaker 8>New Jersey from a few years ago where the kid

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<v Speaker 8>wanted to go to the skateboard park. Mom goes, takes

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<v Speaker 8>the kid to the skateboard park. They require him to

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<v Speaker 8>the parent to sign this waiver and the court said

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<v Speaker 8>that the waiver was not binding because you cannot expect

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<v Speaker 8>a parent to resist the begging of a child. Well,

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<v Speaker 8>it's so ludicrous. It's like, oh, I don't have any

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<v Speaker 8>responsibility at all because I can't control my kids.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, you don't understand. It's the begging doctrine goes

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<v Speaker 4>back centuries. So I'm picturing Tim, I'm picturreing the alternative.

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<v Speaker 4>There we are at the jumpatorium, and I'm reading this

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<v Speaker 4>pages of contract, and I say, oh wow, Sun, paragraph

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen highly probably give me a second. Here, I bust

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<v Speaker 4>out my cell phone. I called her legal department. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>some turns out there a subsidiary of paramoun attractions. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>I need legal police, your legal department. Yeah, ah wait,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you very much. Then you know an hour later, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>yeah yeah, paragraph thirteen specifically, you'll get back to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, all right, son, we've got to wait a while.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, come on, we're going to go go back

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<v Speaker 5>home because I am not happy with fourteen C. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>that's just so, that's so unrealistic. You just said you've

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<v Speaker 5>got to read that stuff. Nobody's ever going to do that,

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<v Speaker 5>Tim and timpos Yack.

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<v Speaker 8>You know what they call that deck They call that

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<v Speaker 8>responsible citizenship. That's that's your obligation when you're handed a

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<v Speaker 8>big contract to read it before you sign it, so

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<v Speaker 8>you know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Nothing, Well, you're you're a libertarian. So this is one

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<v Speaker 5>of the reasons your name came up yesterday. I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 5>so is this a free market solution in fairy that

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<v Speaker 5>we parents would not click? I agree, and we would

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<v Speaker 5>not jump there. And so the jumpatorium across the street

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<v Speaker 5>that doesn't have such a long agreement thing would get

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<v Speaker 5>more business.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the only hope that the.

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<v Speaker 8>Answer is mostly yes. Now, the reason why it's not

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<v Speaker 8>entirely yes is because, as I said, you cannot wave

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<v Speaker 8>your liability for reckless or intentional harm to somebody. So

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<v Speaker 8>you cannot put into that contract I'm allowed to shoot

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<v Speaker 8>you in the head or something, you know, but you

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<v Speaker 8>can wave liability for an accident. I mean that's everybody

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<v Speaker 8>knows that there are risks associated with seeing and the

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<v Speaker 8>person who chooses that has to bear that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yes, it's funny on both sides of this issue, actually,

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<v Speaker 5>because the reason they need to have those long legal

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<v Speaker 5>agreements is because of stupid rulings that have come out.

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<v Speaker 5>And yes, my kids jumping on a trampoline and sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>when you jump on a trampoline you break your arm

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<v Speaker 5>and it's not the fault of the damn business. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just something that comes with jumping on trampoline.

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<v Speaker 2>So you shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 8>Alternative to The alternative to letting businesses wave their liability

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<v Speaker 8>is you don't get trampolines at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, right, right, So then if Goofy were to

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<v Speaker 4>beat me down with a metal rod, that's one case.

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<v Speaker 4>If Dumbo, for instance, saw a mouse and panicked and

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<v Speaker 4>trampled me, that that would be entirely different.

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<v Speaker 8>It would be entirely different matter, because it depends. Now

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<v Speaker 8>here's another important point is that a lot of time

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<v Speaker 8>I mentioned California cuts really hate arbitration, and the reason

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<v Speaker 8>why is because they tend to think that arbitration favors

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<v Speaker 8>the evil big business, and that's bad and we need

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<v Speaker 8>to protect people against evil big business. And yet the

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<v Speaker 8>same people who are hostiles of arbitration are often perfectly

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<v Speaker 8>fine with administrative agencies holding hearings of their own where

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<v Speaker 8>they are the people and the government agencies, the judge

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<v Speaker 8>as well as the prosecutor. They're perfectly fine to that.

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<v Speaker 8>They don't see that as unfair. They just see arbitration

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<v Speaker 8>as unfair. That's really inconsistent and drives me crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's because they don't have principles.

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<v Speaker 5>They take on and put on and take off their

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<v Speaker 5>principles like windbreakers on the left. It's in a third

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<v Speaker 5>of California law, as you know, exists enriched trial attorneys.

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<v Speaker 4>But Tim Sandaffer of the Goldwater Institute joins us. Tim

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<v Speaker 4>has been a leading voice of economic freedom for decades

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<v Speaker 4>now in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all getting old. Tim, I don't know if you've noticed.

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<v Speaker 5>Help us understand why this policy of ending corporate greed

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<v Speaker 5>and gouging is so stupid.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it really is stupid, and it is incredibly counterproductive.

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<v Speaker 8>Price controls equal shortages. And the reason why is because

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<v Speaker 8>you have to understand how prices work. People have this

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<v Speaker 8>idea that prices are just sort of arbitrarily slapped on things,

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<v Speaker 8>and that it's just greedy people putting numbers on things.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's not what prices actually are. Prices are signals.

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<v Speaker 8>When you see a price tag, think of it as

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<v Speaker 8>something like the speedometer in your car. It's just measuring something,

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<v Speaker 8>that's all. It's not somebody trying to rip you off.

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<v Speaker 8>It's telling you how much resources, how much work, how

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<v Speaker 8>much raw materials, and things go into a product as

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<v Speaker 8>compared to the other things that the labor or raw

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<v Speaker 8>materials could have been used for. That's all price is.

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<v Speaker 8>So when a price goes up and then you come

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<v Speaker 8>in with the government and prohibit people from charging what

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<v Speaker 8>the thing actually costs, all you're doing is silencing that signal,

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<v Speaker 8>which causes confusion throughout the entire economy and has terrible

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<v Speaker 8>ripple effects. And it is absolutely true that you cannot

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<v Speaker 8>just control the price of one thing. If you try

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<v Speaker 8>to control the price of one thing, then people are

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<v Speaker 8>going to turn the resources into some other thing, and

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<v Speaker 8>then you have to control the price of that also.

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<v Speaker 8>So for instance, if you were to try to limit

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<v Speaker 8>the price that milk could could be sold at, the

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<v Speaker 8>dairies are not going to make back the money that

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<v Speaker 8>they need to keep operating if they sell milk, so

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<v Speaker 8>instead they'll start making cheese and they'll start charging more

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<v Speaker 8>for the cheese. So then you have to control the

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<v Speaker 8>price of cheese. So then they start making yogurt, So

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<v Speaker 8>now you've got to control the price of yogurt. And

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<v Speaker 8>it keeps going on and on like that. So it's

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<v Speaker 8>a terrible idea that causes shortages because if I don't

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<v Speaker 8>know that I could make a whole bunch of money

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<v Speaker 8>by making the selling plywood. Then I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 8>make and sell the plywood. And now people can't get

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<v Speaker 8>the plywood. And the reason why is because I didn't

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<v Speaker 8>get the signal. Because the government prohibited people from telling

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<v Speaker 8>the truth about what the prices are. And that's all

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<v Speaker 8>price and trills are is. It inhibits people from telling

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<v Speaker 8>the truth about what things actually cost. And the reason

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<v Speaker 8>the government does that is because it's the one at

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<v Speaker 8>fault for raising the prices to begin with, and it

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't want people to know that, so it tries to

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<v Speaker 8>silence it by blaming businesses for charging what things are

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<v Speaker 8>actually worth. When the government is the one responsible for

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<v Speaker 8>making your dollars worth less to begin with.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and it's one hundred or maybe ten thousand times

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<v Speaker 4>more complicated, as anybody who's ever read eye pencil could

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<v Speaker 4>tell you. Because that dairy farmer that you used as

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<v Speaker 4>an example, what if all of their costs stay the same,

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<v Speaker 4>but because of some sort of shock in oil prices,

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<v Speaker 4>the trucks that bring their milk to market become much

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<v Speaker 4>much more expensive to use. Then the government is involved

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<v Speaker 4>in trucking prices, in shipping prices, and soon gasoline prices

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<v Speaker 4>and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's doomed it and everybody's actually right. Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I offered up a paraphrase of your explanation of why

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<v Speaker 4>gouging quote unquote gouging is not a bad thing. I

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<v Speaker 4>use the example of chainsaws after a hurricane, but I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't nearly as eloquent or knowledgeable as you would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give us the a thirty second version of that.

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<v Speaker 8>All that the prices do, when the prices go up

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<v Speaker 8>and people start charging one hundred dollars to use a

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<v Speaker 8>chainsaw because of the hurricane, all that does is signal

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<v Speaker 8>that there's a lot of demand for hurricanes, a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of demands for chainsaw And so all the chainsaw companies

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<v Speaker 8>see that signal and they're like, oh gosh, we need

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<v Speaker 8>to ship a whole bunch of chainsaws down to Florida

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<v Speaker 8>or whatever. So then they do. Now, if you prohibit that,

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<v Speaker 8>if you prohibit people from sending that signal, if you

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<v Speaker 8>silence the truth about prices, which is what price controls do,

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<v Speaker 8>then the chainsaw companies never see that message. They might

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<v Speaker 8>as well sell their chainsaws in Nebraska or Washington State.

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<v Speaker 8>So you got a whole bunch of chainsaws in Nebraska

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<v Speaker 8>and washingtons in state, and you don't get them down

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<v Speaker 8>in Florida where you actually need them, because the prices

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<v Speaker 8>weren't allowed to go up, so nobody got the signal

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<v Speaker 8>that that's where they need to send their chainsaw. This

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<v Speaker 8>it's a simple matter, but it gets obscured because politicians

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<v Speaker 8>want to blew you into thinking that businesses are evil

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<v Speaker 8>and greedy when they're the ones that are out there

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<v Speaker 8>printing money as if it's no problem at all making

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<v Speaker 8>all of your dollars worth less, which means people have

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<v Speaker 8>to charge more to get what things are worth. And

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<v Speaker 8>then the government doesn't want to admit that it's the

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<v Speaker 8>one at fault. Harris, for example, having been the tie

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<v Speaker 8>breaking vote in favor of the Print the Money Act,

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<v Speaker 8>and so she wants to confuse people about that by

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<v Speaker 8>blaming businesses and silencing the truth about price.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, that's one of many economic principles that the

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<v Speaker 5>first time I ever heard, I was like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>and that makes one hundred percent sense and changed my

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<v Speaker 5>mind completely. It troubles me that a lot of this

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<v Speaker 5>stuff pulls so well, the punishing, gouging or whatever.

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<v Speaker 8>Unfortunately, government gets away with it all the time. You

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<v Speaker 8>asked about whether it's legal, and I'm sorry to say

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<v Speaker 8>that courts have allowed various forms of price control since

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<v Speaker 8>at least eighteen seventy six. So unfortunately, there are ways

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<v Speaker 8>that the government can do this. Just take one example

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<v Speaker 8>is so called march in right. This is a provision

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<v Speaker 8>in federal patent law that says that if the government

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<v Speaker 8>decides it wants to, it can allow some other company

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<v Speaker 8>to use your patent without your approval. And most recently,

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<v Speaker 8>the Biden administration is proposed using this power to impose

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<v Speaker 8>price controls by saying, well, this is medicine costs too much.

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<v Speaker 8>We're just going to basically eliminate the patent rights. Well,

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<v Speaker 8>if you eliminate the patent rights, nobody's going to invest

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<v Speaker 8>money in developing new kinds of medicine. What a terrible idea,

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<v Speaker 8>truly killing the golden goose. And yet that is being

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<v Speaker 8>put forward as modern advanced economic thinking by a bunch

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<v Speaker 8>of people who would flunk basic economics if they had

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<v Speaker 8>ever bothered to take it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we'll be looking to pummel these ideas with both

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<v Speaker 4>of our fists, all four of our fists in the

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<v Speaker 4>days and weeks to come, and we hope we can

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<v Speaker 4>stay in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim.

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<v Speaker 5>This is it's frustrating me that a lot of this

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<v Speaker 5>is not counterintuitive, but it takes a while to.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain to people.

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<v Speaker 4>Once you do, the light bulb goes on and it's

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<v Speaker 4>very easily understood. But for whatever reason, it takes a

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<v Speaker 4>little explaining and that's tough in politics. But great to

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<v Speaker 4>talk to you, Tim, Thanks a million.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks, guys, the sand.

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<v Speaker 4>Of her vice president for legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute.

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<v Speaker 4>Look for his books and read them. They're terrific.

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<v Speaker 5>That explanation for why gouging is good in an emergency,

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<v Speaker 5>for instance, you know, changed my mind instantly. He's like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh yeah, that makes perfectly good sense. And I've never

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<v Speaker 5>really thought about it since. Same as when my dad

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<v Speaker 5>explained to me, well, socialism doesn't work beause socialism sounded

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<v Speaker 5>good to me as a child when I was like ten.

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<v Speaker 5>And then he said, but then nobody would work very

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<v Speaker 5>hard if everybody gets the same result.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you're right, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Then that was it, and I would just wish we

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<v Speaker 5>could get that information out to more people Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 7>And the Armstrong and Getty shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm gonna do this first.

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<v Speaker 5>So yesterday, I'm coming out of the grocery store last night,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm in line behind this woman and she is

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<v Speaker 5>a older woman, like quite a bit older.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like seven or something like it.

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<v Speaker 5>And she they said, you want to help out in

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<v Speaker 5>your bag, and she said, no, I think I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got it under control.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't worry about me, and that she's got her bags

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<v Speaker 5>as she's walking outside, and then she passes somebody I'm

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<v Speaker 5>right behind her who's got a Senta hat on, which

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<v Speaker 5>I like to wear this time here, and she said, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>I love your hat purple.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool. You don't usually say purple.

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<v Speaker 5>Then she walks out and she says hello to some

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<v Speaker 5>other people, a person with a big smile on her face.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought, I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 5>About what you always say about how much of your

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<v Speaker 5>personality is just built into you in terms of because

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<v Speaker 5>we do all these different studies or recommendations on how

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<v Speaker 5>to have a better mood or be optimore, optimistic or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought, She's not doing any of that stuff. She

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<v Speaker 5>was just born that way. I mean, she was so

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<v Speaker 5>much more friendly in a five minute period. For five minute,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a sixty second period of me being behind her

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<v Speaker 5>than I am in a month.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, she either like just escaped death or just

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<v Speaker 4>got released from prison, or she's posh. Yeah, she had

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<v Speaker 4>a couple eg nogs before she shot, or she's just

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<v Speaker 4>built that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for her, that's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I just thought I wish I was more

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<v Speaker 5>like that, but I'm not. Is there anything I can

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<v Speaker 5>do about that? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't know. Yeah, And then I got into.

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<v Speaker 5>The percentages of because sometimes, and we've all done this

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<v Speaker 5>where you're like in a bad negative mood and something

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<v Speaker 5>snaps you out of it and you realize that you

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<v Speaker 5>were in a bad negative mood and they were, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking at things in the worst possible way or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>So there is something to attitude or having some control

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<v Speaker 5>over it. So I'm trying to think, is it like

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<v Speaker 5>ninety ten, sixty forty, where do you think it is

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of how much you can control that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always said that.

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<v Speaker 4>You can play with like twenty percent around the margins.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't thought seriously about it, but yeah, you come

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<v Speaker 4>into the world with a particular mindset, and you can

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<v Speaker 4>you can speed it up some or slow it down some,

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<v Speaker 4>but a guy like you is never going to be

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<v Speaker 4>like her no again unless you escape death or just

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<v Speaker 4>released from prison.

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<v Speaker 2>And that I don't last more than like a week. No,

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<v Speaker 2>no, no no.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like after I get through with cancer and it

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<v Speaker 5>had like no effect on me, And I've talked to

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<v Speaker 5>other people who were like really hoping this was going

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<v Speaker 5>to be one of those and never after after that,

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<v Speaker 5>I for the rest of my life I had this attitude.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Bob that didn't happen. I've talked to other people

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<v Speaker 2>felt the same way.

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<v Speaker 5>They car crash, cancer, whatever it was, and didn't change

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<v Speaker 5>them a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>There's still the same sort less surly negative person they

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<v Speaker 2>were before.

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<v Speaker 4>That is simultaneously really disturbing and really reassuring.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know which right, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what is he going. You're said a hat purple.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't see that very often. That's great. I just thought, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I was like you, but I'm not. I

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<v Speaker 2>admire it and I hate it right both both. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>strong and connecting. The reality is this is fabulous.

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<v Speaker 7>I thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all crazy, this is it is yep, but

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<v Speaker 2>damn it, we weren't allowed to ask about the big guys.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the United States of America, God's sake, let's

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<v Speaker 2>not play games.

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<v Speaker 7>This is the Armstrong and Geeddy Show.