Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong's Joe, Katty arm Strong.
Speaker 2: And Jetty and He Armstrong and Getty Strong. I don't
Speaker 2: want to be breaking up family. So the only way
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 3: Break up the family is you keep them together, and
Speaker 3: you have to send them.
Speaker 2: All back there you go.
Speaker 4: Trump, in response to the inevitable question, you say you
Speaker 4: wanted to poor people, Are you going to separate families?
Speaker 5: Always asked from the point of view of it being bad,
Speaker 5: even though he ran on that got elected and sixty
Speaker 5: percent of people approve of it. So I just drives
Speaker 5: me nuts.
Speaker 4: Whenever we talk about this, I'm reminded of my youthful
Speaker 4: idea of living in Germany to work and study and
Speaker 4: stuff like that. Because I studied German, thought that might
Speaker 4: be interesting. And it became clear that there were severe
Speaker 4: limitations in getting into the country than staying in there
Speaker 4: and working was very, very difficult. You had to get
Speaker 4: permits and stuff like that, so I and I accepted that.
Speaker 4: I thought, well, that's unfortunate, but it is what it is,
Speaker 4: the idea that I would go to Germany sneak in
Speaker 4: and then when they say, hey, you don't have authorization
Speaker 4: to be here, and you certainly don't have authorization to
Speaker 4: work me saying how are you gonna separate me and
Speaker 4: my family? And what would the Germans say to that, Well,
Speaker 4: they'd say it in German, so you wouldn't understand it, folks.
Speaker 4: But what it would mean essentially is be quiet and
Speaker 4: get back in line.
Speaker 2: It's not our problem.
Speaker 5: We got a bunch of clips, but I thought maybe
Speaker 5: the most important one that should have gotten a lot
Speaker 5: of attention but didn't from Trump was when he was
Speaker 5: asked about do you ran on retribution? And he said,
Speaker 5: I'm really looking to make our country successful. I'm not
Speaker 5: looking to go back into the past. I'm looking to
Speaker 5: make our country successful. Retribution will be through success. Okay,
Speaker 5: there's your hitler for you. There's your hitler, there's your
Speaker 5: there will never be another election again.
Speaker 2: Well, and he has made that point repeatedly.
Speaker 5: The retribution is how successful we're going to be.
Speaker 2: That lays it to rest. Well, it's such a good
Speaker 2: clickbaiting narrative.
Speaker 4: The lion liars in the media and Kristen Welker is
Speaker 4: their unholy princess.
Speaker 2: They just can't leave that to the narrative alone. Stop it.
Speaker 5: There are real problems with Trump quld making stuff up right. Yeah,
Speaker 5: all right, So back to Trump and Welker. A lot
Speaker 5: of people have enjoyed this clip. It's thirty seven, Michael.
Speaker 5: They are discussing January sixth.
Speaker 2: In general.
Speaker 6: Officials say that the order never came in for the
Speaker 6: National Arts on January sixth.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this about j six Josh.
Speaker 3: Wrote in a statement that he has destroyed all evidence.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this about January sixth.
Speaker 3: I wish you could be a if you you know,
Speaker 3: you have such potential, if you could be just just
Speaker 3: non biased. You hurt yourself so badly. I'm telling you
Speaker 3: they deleted and destroyed all the evidence. Everyone knows it,
Speaker 3: and you sluff it off like it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 6: No, I did it, deny it.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Listen, if I did it, you would be standing up
Speaker 3: in that chairs shouting at me, and you know what
Speaker 3: I do, I'd say, you got me.
Speaker 5: My main takeaway with that is, Okay, you're gonna ask
Speaker 5: him about January sixth again and try to get him
Speaker 5: to admit to something or whatever. Do you I assume,
Speaker 5: Kristin Walker, you don't like Trump and don't want him
Speaker 5: to have power and be elected.
Speaker 2: You're helping him. You're helping him.
Speaker 5: Yes, the majority of people are like whatever, move on
Speaker 5: to something else. I know a lot of super hardcore
Speaker 5: Trumpeters would love to talk about January sixth for the
Speaker 5: rest of their lives.
Speaker 2: But that's not where most of America is.
Speaker 4: Well, no, America saw it, and they had a choice
Speaker 4: between Trump and then Biden and then Harris and saying
Speaker 4: goodness said, we're not electing either one of them. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: he brings with him that baggage. But let's let's look
Speaker 4: to that. What are we accomplishing by relitigating it at
Speaker 4: this point? And Jack and I were both harshly critical
Speaker 4: of Trump then, and I have not changed my opinion
Speaker 4: of his activities on the day one ioda.
Speaker 2: I still condemn it.
Speaker 5: And yet here we are, excuse me, in the year
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, with a hell of a lot on
Speaker 5: her plate.
Speaker 2: Let's get on it.
Speaker 4: So speing which Christin Welker, who again, I should have
Speaker 4: written out all of my various insulting adjectives I'd had
Speaker 4: in my head to use for her, because I find
Speaker 4: her obnoxious, smugly, one sided, and snotty.
Speaker 2: Oh just not a good person anyway. Ah, she brought
Speaker 2: up the.
Speaker 4: Federal minimum wage and clip thirty nine B.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you remember this, but during the
Speaker 6: debate in twenty twenty, I asked you if you would
Speaker 6: raise the minimum wage. You said you would consider it.
Speaker 6: And so my question for you is now that you
Speaker 6: are going back to the White House for these nineteen
Speaker 6: states that voted for you, are you going to raise
Speaker 6: the effects.
Speaker 3: It's a very low number. I will agree, it's a
Speaker 3: very low number. Let me give you the downside though.
Speaker 3: In California they raise it up to a very high number,
Speaker 3: and your restaurants are going out of business all over
Speaker 3: the place. The population is shrinking. It's had a very
Speaker 3: negative impact. But there is a level at which you
Speaker 3: could do it. Absolutely what is that level? Do you?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. I
Speaker 3: can say this, you have a lot of businesses that
Speaker 3: are open and thriving because of the lower minimum wage.
Speaker 3: If you raise it too much, and you understand this,
Speaker 3: if California went crazy, they went crazy, and people the
Speaker 3: restaurants are closing, all of them, many more people are hurt.
Speaker 6: So I hear you saying similarly to sort of what
Speaker 6: you said in twenty twenty, will you consider.
Speaker 2: This something you're going to look at it.
Speaker 3: I'd want to speak to the governors. And the other
Speaker 3: thing that's very complicated about minimum wages is places are
Speaker 3: so different. Mississippi and al and great places are very
Speaker 3: different than New York or California. I mean in terms
Speaker 3: of the cost of living and other things. So it'd
Speaker 3: be nice to have just a minimum wage for the
Speaker 3: whole country, but it wouldn't work because you have places
Speaker 3: where it's very inexpensive to live, where a minimum wage,
Speaker 3: which is eight or nine dollars might be, you know,
Speaker 3: might have very much, very little effect because the cost
Speaker 3: of living in certain places is really low.
Speaker 2: This makes me so tired, I know.
Speaker 5: So, first of all, he's the leader of what is
Speaker 5: now the working Class Party, and raising the minimum wage polls.
Speaker 2: Well, it's unfortunate. I think with a.
Speaker 5: Five minutes of explanation, you could explain to a lot
Speaker 5: of people why it's not actually good for you to
Speaker 5: raise the minimum wage. But Trump realizes, you know, the
Speaker 5: party that he's leading. But even when he states to
Speaker 5: her there's a downside.
Speaker 2: To raising the min wage.
Speaker 5: She just completely blows that off and goes with the
Speaker 5: next question of obviously it would be good for everyone
Speaker 5: to raise the minimum wage. I feel like I should
Speaker 5: inject here from one of your Thomas swell so Well
Speaker 5: quotes on Twitter about the minimum wage, the minimum wage
Speaker 5: law is very cleverly misnamed. The real minimum wage is zero,
Speaker 5: and that is what many inexperienced and low skilled people
Speaker 5: receive as a result of legislation that makes it illegal
Speaker 5: to pay them what they're currently worth to an employer.
Speaker 4: Well said, very succinctly said Trump frustrates me always because
Speaker 4: he does just a half assed job of of explaining
Speaker 4: some of the principles that I hold dear.
Speaker 2: But you know, he is what he is. But the
Speaker 2: federal minimum wage.
Speaker 4: Is to call it irrelevant is to exaggerate how relevant
Speaker 4: it is. It is a complete non factor in anyone's life.
Speaker 4: It's a silly discussion. If states want minimum wages, they
Speaker 4: should pass them. There is, you know, with the exception
Speaker 4: of a couple like enslaved immigrants who are probably trying
Speaker 4: to escape right now, and I wish them well, there
Speaker 4: is nobody in America who is exchanging their labor for
Speaker 4: a wage that they are unwilling to exchange their labor
Speaker 4: for nobody. If you don't want to do a job
Speaker 4: at a particular wage, you will not take that job.
Speaker 4: The idea that the government can, somehow, especially the federal government,
Speaker 4: prop up some sort of minimum it's just it ignores
Speaker 4: everything that is the most fundamental about economics. It's just silly.
Speaker 4: It's a silly question. I mean it's it's pretty silly
Speaker 4: on the state level. On the federal level, it's completely ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Sat You're gonna have a minimum wage for Coonhuller, Kentucky.
Speaker 4: And what is that gonna do for the people in Seattle,
Speaker 4: for instance, or La Nothing? It's just dopey kristin Ohy.
Speaker 2: What's the main business in Coonhuller?
Speaker 4: Squirrel skinning, mostly squirrel peltsol, squirrel coats, squirrel hats.
Speaker 5: I'm making sell I make and sell frog gigging sticks. Oh,
Speaker 5: you're the jack of Jack's froggy. Yes, jack sticks are
Speaker 5: very pointy. My daddy used to tell me, boy, you
Speaker 5: go frog gigg and son. You don't have jack sticks,
Speaker 5: you might as well have popstickle stick.
Speaker 2: Eh.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I assume you stab the frogs or something. Let's
Speaker 4: see which what else do we want to play? I
Speaker 4: like where he calls her hostile and nasty. Yeah, let's
Speaker 4: play for you, Michael.
Speaker 3: The press has to straightened himself out, because honestly, it's
Speaker 3: lost all credibility based on the press. I should have
Speaker 3: gotten no votes, none, and yet I got the highest
Speaker 3: number ever. And the reason is because I'm able to
Speaker 3: go on a show even like yours, even though you're
Speaker 3: very hostile, I'm able to go on a show like yours.
Speaker 2: No you are.
Speaker 6: Hopefully you thought it was a fair interview. We covered
Speaker 6: a lot of policy grounds, which fair only in.
Speaker 3: That you allowed me to say what I said. But
Speaker 3: you know, the answers the questions are you know, asty.
Speaker 2: But look that's true.
Speaker 3: You know, you would think the press would like to
Speaker 3: see strongboarders, great education, are powerful military. So we have
Speaker 3: a country left and all these different things, and somehow
Speaker 3: they don't want to see that.
Speaker 4: As always, I wish I could, you know, be the
Speaker 4: fly or not the fly on the wall, but the
Speaker 4: voice in Trump's here and have him say, like you've
Speaker 4: pointed out, Jack many times, you ask every question from
Speaker 4: the perspective of liberal Americans.
Speaker 2: More than half the country is conservative.
Speaker 5: Ask a question from their perspective ones you might like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And on some specific issues like the deportation, there's
Speaker 2: polling that shows the vast majority it's in ease. It's
Speaker 2: a sixty to forty win for deporting illegals, right, So
Speaker 2: why why ask it from the point of view of the.
Speaker 4: Forty speaking of which she asked every single one of
Speaker 4: her immigration questions from the perspective of AOC pretending to
Speaker 4: cry in a parking lot mile away. The phoniness thirty one.
Speaker 4: He's talking about, you know, supporting people and you know
Speaker 4: both ends of the equator.
Speaker 3: You know, the people that have been treated very unfairly
Speaker 3: are the people that have been online for ten years
Speaker 3: to come into the country. And we're going to make
Speaker 3: it very easy for people to come in in terms
Speaker 3: of they have to pass the test. They have to
Speaker 3: be able to tell you what the statue of liberty is.
Speaker 3: They have to tell you a little bit about our country.
Speaker 3: They have to love our country. They can't come out
Speaker 3: of prisons. We don't want people that are in for murder.
Speaker 3: We have to get the criminals out of our country.
Speaker 3: And we got to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to let the good people in, the
Speaker 5: smart people who we can use, and we're going to
Speaker 5: get rid of the murderers.
Speaker 2: But what about separating families? What the hell?
Speaker 7: Armstrong and see Armstrong and Getty show.
Speaker 2: We got this text out of nowhere.
Speaker 5: Do you know why hippies were petruli oil so blind
Speaker 5: people can hate them too?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's beautiful. Here's your freedom loving quote of
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 4: One of our beloved listeners sent this to us next
Speaker 4: to a big picture of Captain America, and it was
Speaker 4: Captain America saying this, And I understand this is a
Speaker 4: speech he gives to buck up Spider Man at one
Speaker 4: point during the movies, And I thought, boy, this is
Speaker 4: really eloquent for one of your one of your comic
Speaker 4: book movies. Did the script write or write write this?
Speaker 4: And I did a little digging and no, it's actually
Speaker 4: a very very close paraphrase of something Mark Twain said. Interesting,
Speaker 4: but I liked it so much I posted it up
Speaker 4: in the studio so I could glance at it now.
Speaker 4: And again, I will give you the Twain version, which
Speaker 4: only is only subtly.
Speaker 5: Different as opposed to Captain America. Okay, it does. It
Speaker 5: does lend him a little more gravitas.
Speaker 4: Well, unless you're fighting off a ma then I'd rather
Speaker 4: have a captain on my side than the scribe. Honestly
Speaker 4: love Captain America kicks ass, Twain incredibly eloquent. Captain America
Speaker 4: definitely stronger on the whoop ass front.
Speaker 5: If you're fighting the Winter Soldier, you want Captain America,
Speaker 5: not Mark Twain.
Speaker 4: I agree completely. Anyway, here's what Twain said. It's a
Speaker 4: little long, but I love it so much. Maybe we
Speaker 4: could work in a little email later on. Let men
Speaker 4: label you as they may. If you alone, of all
Speaker 4: the nation, decide one way, and that way be the
Speaker 4: right way. By your convictions of the right, You've done
Speaker 4: your duty, by yourself and by your country, holding up
Speaker 4: your head, for you have nothing to be ashamed of.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what the press says. It doesn't matter
Speaker 5: what the politicians or the mobs say. It doesn't matter
Speaker 5: if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right.
Speaker 5: Republics are founded on one principle above all else, the
Speaker 5: requirement that we stand up for what we believe in,
Speaker 5: no matter the odds or the consequences.
Speaker 2: When the mob and the press and the whole world
Speaker 2: tell you to move.
Speaker 4: Your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside
Speaker 4: the river of truth and tell the whole world world, no,
Speaker 4: you move. Mark fing Twain, that's two people understand, that's
Speaker 4: his middle name.
Speaker 5: That's really good stuff if it's the right cause or thing.
Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, and maybe I'll explain later why this happened.
Speaker 5: I was listening to a speech last night FBI recordings
Speaker 5: of Jim Jones down Guyana, before he had all those
Speaker 5: people kill themselves, the Jim Jones cult, that whole thing.
Speaker 5: He gave a very similar speech there, as he had
Speaker 5: convinced all those numb nuts that the world was out
Speaker 5: to get them and they were doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: I'm very similar speech. I had no idea you'd heard that.
Speaker 4: I knew in my heart of hearts you would come
Speaker 4: up with some counter argument against that thought.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to know it.
Speaker 4: It just you just have to have you just have
Speaker 4: to just you know, it works when the cause is
Speaker 4: right right. But that's irrelevant an as an observation of society,
Speaker 4: it's one hundred correct as a principle. That some people
Speaker 4: employ it wrongly is irrelevant.
Speaker 2: You're right. I think it's a moral principle. Both are true.
Speaker 2: Isn't that a head scratcher? It is anyway, mailbag.
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Speaker 4: the Honolulu getaway pad that those Chinese spies who infiltrated
Speaker 4: New York's government pad. But his sign off is he says,
Speaker 4: our one more Thing yesterday on price controls and gouging
Speaker 4: should be mandatory listening to graduate from high school.
Speaker 2: Thank you for the kind words.
Speaker 4: You can grab that wherever you like to get podcasts
Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty One more Thing, you know.
Speaker 5: Listen to it out again, speaking of counterintuitive price gouging
Speaker 5: is a good thing and that and it makes perfect
Speaker 5: economic sense.
Speaker 2: Listen to the One More Thing.
Speaker 4: Podcast and it's the best thing that can happen for
Speaker 4: poor people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 4: Wow, what a contrast, writes Joe and Ventura, California. Notice
Speaker 4: this on my local freeway off ramp, winner and loser.
Speaker 4: There is a young man appears to be of immigrants,
Speaker 4: stock selling bouquets of flowers to cars whoever want some
Speaker 4: flowers On the way home and there's a scumbag junkie begging.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 5: That's a good one. That's a good one. You got
Speaker 5: people there on the corner. This happens driving out to
Speaker 5: the farm. When I go home. Sometimes you got people
Speaker 5: on the corner selling strawberries. Usually a whole family in
Speaker 5: the hot sun, set up their table, got their you know,
Speaker 5: station wagon there selling strawberries.
Speaker 2: You got people just begging on the street. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all.
Speaker 5: I'll see how much the people that are working their
Speaker 5: ass off sitting there in the sun selling the strawberries
Speaker 5: can't have much respect for the beggar on.
Speaker 2: The street, he says.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be ironic if this was a planned social
Speaker 4: science experiments to see what kind of reactions could be
Speaker 4: A litle from the drivers, I admit I it was
Speaker 4: guilty of making my opinion known. A big thumbs up
Speaker 4: to the winner and down to the loser. Care to
Speaker 4: put your own caption on this photo?
Speaker 2: Well? Thanks, Joe.
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Speaker 2: I remember why Tim La Lawyer's name came up yesterday.
Speaker 5: We're talking about that amazing story of that poor guy.
Speaker 2: Gee and his wife are at a Disney property.
Speaker 5: He says that they told the waiter, look, my wife
Speaker 5: has peanut allergy or fruit out or something like that
Speaker 5: really bad, so we can't have anything that's touching nuts
Speaker 5: or whatever. Anyway, she ends up getting some food that's
Speaker 5: got the allergic stuff in it and she dies. She
Speaker 5: actually dies at one of these Disney properties. So he's
Speaker 5: looking into suing. Not for very much money. It was
Speaker 5: a fifty five thousand dollars, so it's not like one
Speaker 5: of those, you know, you only ten million dollar things.
Speaker 5: But anyway, found out that because he had signed up
Speaker 5: for Disney Plus and clicked I agree on the agreement
Speaker 5: thing at ten thirty at night once without reading a
Speaker 5: word of the agreement, he had agreed to no trials
Speaker 5: by jury that go after Disney in any way whatsoever
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: I agreed to that by watching Disney place. Who knew that?
Speaker 5: And just all these agreements that we all click on
Speaker 5: every single week on something we haven't got the slightest
Speaker 5: idea what's in there that needs.
Speaker 2: To be fixed.
Speaker 4: That's just one of several topics we can't wait to
Speaker 4: discuss with Tim Sanderfer, vice president for Legal Affairs at
Speaker 4: the Goldwater Institute, author of a number of fabulous tomes, including,
Speaker 4: and this will come up in a little while, the
Speaker 4: right to earn a living, which is all about economic freedom.
Speaker 2: Tim, welcome, How are you, sir? I'm just fine.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me back the course.
Speaker 5: Is there some sort of way we can do away
Speaker 5: with these agreements that we all click on that are
Speaker 5: one hundred pagees long and we'd have to hire a
Speaker 5: lawyer and spend a lot of money to figure out
Speaker 5: what the hell they mean?
Speaker 8: Well, so the legal term for that kind of a
Speaker 8: contract that they call it a contract of adhesion, which
Speaker 8: is when somebody holds out this document says take it
Speaker 8: or leave it. Just if you want the thing, you
Speaker 8: got to agree to it. There's no negotiation, just go
Speaker 8: with it. And judges tend to be pretty skeptical of
Speaker 8: contracts of adhesion because it is a dangerous kind of
Speaker 8: situation where a person might not know what they're getting
Speaker 8: into when they sign the agreement. And so I think
Speaker 8: if you were to try and argue, as Disney is,
Speaker 8: arguing that because you agreed to a completely different service,
Speaker 8: one that had nothing to do with the injury that
Speaker 8: actually occurred, because you agreed to arbitration there where now
Speaker 8: you can't have a trial over here for this other thing,
Speaker 8: I honestly think that's a hard argument to persuade a judge.
Speaker 8: And now, of course it depends on the states. California
Speaker 8: courts are very hostile to arbitration. They really don't like
Speaker 8: the idea that you can be required to go to
Speaker 8: arbitration instead of a court of law. But there are
Speaker 8: lots of advantages to arbitration, including for people who are
Speaker 8: suing a business. Arbitration is faster, it's overseen by people
Speaker 8: who are knowledgeable legal you know, judges and lawyers who
Speaker 8: know what they're doing and tend to be experts in
Speaker 8: like personal injury and business and things like this, Whereas
Speaker 8: a jury is made up of just the twelve people
Speaker 8: who showed up for jury duty that day. So there
Speaker 8: are advantages to going by through arbitration, but forcing somebody
Speaker 8: into arbitration because they agreed to a completely different service
Speaker 8: at a completely different time by a boilerplate contract of adhesion.
Speaker 8: I think judges are going to be really skeptical of
Speaker 8: that attempt.
Speaker 2: The example, Yes, I was about to lay that out.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, my daughter has just started
Speaker 4: law school, has already learned, well, she's actually working in
Speaker 4: the law for several years. That it depends is the
Speaker 4: all purpose answer for every question that's legal. But the
Speaker 4: idea that I would I would get Disney Plus to
Speaker 4: watch the Mandalorian. Then I go to Disneyland and Goofy
Speaker 4: beats me into Acoma with a steel rod, and that's
Speaker 4: not actionable because I signed that. That's it depends where
Speaker 4: that happens. I guess, yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, for one thing, you cannot waive your liability for
Speaker 8: intentional or reckless harm you. So Disney is not allowed
Speaker 8: to say you're never allowed to sue us if Goofy
Speaker 8: beats you.
Speaker 2: Up with a metal raw Oh good.
Speaker 8: They can require you to go to arbitration instead of
Speaker 8: a legal court. If you have a dispute over Disney
Speaker 8: Plus as part of the user agreement, and you do
Speaker 8: have what lawyers call the duty to read before clicking
Speaker 8: the button. It is you are legally bound by these things,
Speaker 8: and you have to be honest because otherwise modern industry
Speaker 8: would collapse.
Speaker 2: Do need to read? But so like you, you don't
Speaker 2: have kids.
Speaker 5: But if you had kids, you go to the jumpatorium
Speaker 5: like I do, where they jump on the trampolines, and
Speaker 5: you have to sign a waiver before your kid can
Speaker 5: jump on the trampoline. And you go over to the
Speaker 5: waiver and it's like thirty pages long, and I and
Speaker 5: every other parent there just scroll to the bottom clicks
Speaker 5: I agree, and your kids put on their socks and
Speaker 5: they go jump. You, as a lawyer, would you read
Speaker 5: all that stuff or what would you do?
Speaker 8: You absolutely have to read all this Now, I will
Speaker 8: say there's actually a case directly on that issue from
Speaker 8: New Jersey from a few years ago where the kid
Speaker 8: wanted to go to the skateboard park. Mom goes, takes
Speaker 8: the kid to the skateboard park. They require him to
Speaker 8: the parent to sign this waiver and the court said
Speaker 8: that the waiver was not binding because you cannot expect
Speaker 8: a parent to resist the begging of a child. Well,
Speaker 8: it's so ludicrous. It's like, oh, I don't have any
Speaker 8: responsibility at all because I can't control my kids.
Speaker 4: No, no, you don't understand. It's the begging doctrine goes
Speaker 4: back centuries. So I'm picturing Tim, I'm picturreing the alternative.
Speaker 4: There we are at the jumpatorium, and I'm reading this
Speaker 4: pages of contract, and I say, oh wow, Sun, paragraph
Speaker 4: thirteen highly probably give me a second. Here, I bust
Speaker 4: out my cell phone. I called her legal department. Oh,
Speaker 4: some turns out there a subsidiary of paramoun attractions. Anyway,
Speaker 4: I need legal police, your legal department. Yeah, ah wait,
Speaker 4: thank you very much. Then you know an hour later, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, paragraph thirteen specifically, you'll get back to me.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, son, we've got to wait a while.
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, we're going to go go back
Speaker 5: home because I am not happy with fourteen C. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just so, that's so unrealistic. You just said you've
Speaker 5: got to read that stuff. Nobody's ever going to do that,
Speaker 5: Tim and timpos Yack.
Speaker 8: You know what they call that deck They call that
Speaker 8: responsible citizenship. That's that's your obligation when you're handed a
Speaker 8: big contract to read it before you sign it, so
Speaker 8: you know what you're doing.
Speaker 5: Nothing, Well, you're you're a libertarian. So this is one
Speaker 5: of the reasons your name came up yesterday. I was thinking,
Speaker 5: so is this a free market solution in fairy that
Speaker 5: we parents would not click? I agree, and we would
Speaker 5: not jump there. And so the jumpatorium across the street
Speaker 5: that doesn't have such a long agreement thing would get
Speaker 5: more business.
Speaker 2: Is that the only hope that the.
Speaker 8: Answer is mostly yes. Now, the reason why it's not
Speaker 8: entirely yes is because, as I said, you cannot wave
Speaker 8: your liability for reckless or intentional harm to somebody. So
Speaker 8: you cannot put into that contract I'm allowed to shoot
Speaker 8: you in the head or something, you know, but you
Speaker 8: can wave liability for an accident. I mean that's everybody
Speaker 8: knows that there are risks associated with seeing and the
Speaker 8: person who chooses that has to bear that.
Speaker 5: Well, yes, it's funny on both sides of this issue, actually,
Speaker 5: because the reason they need to have those long legal
Speaker 5: agreements is because of stupid rulings that have come out.
Speaker 5: And yes, my kids jumping on a trampoline and sometimes
Speaker 5: when you jump on a trampoline you break your arm
Speaker 5: and it's not the fault of the damn business. It's
Speaker 5: just something that comes with jumping on trampoline.
Speaker 2: So you shouldn't be.
Speaker 8: Alternative to The alternative to letting businesses wave their liability
Speaker 8: is you don't get trampolines at all.
Speaker 4: Right, right, right, right, So then if Goofy were to
Speaker 4: beat me down with a metal rod, that's one case.
Speaker 4: If Dumbo, for instance, saw a mouse and panicked and
Speaker 4: trampled me, that that would be entirely different.
Speaker 8: It would be entirely different matter, because it depends. Now
Speaker 8: here's another important point is that a lot of time
Speaker 8: I mentioned California cuts really hate arbitration, and the reason
Speaker 8: why is because they tend to think that arbitration favors
Speaker 8: the evil big business, and that's bad and we need
Speaker 8: to protect people against evil big business. And yet the
Speaker 8: same people who are hostiles of arbitration are often perfectly
Speaker 8: fine with administrative agencies holding hearings of their own where
Speaker 8: they are the people and the government agencies, the judge
Speaker 8: as well as the prosecutor. They're perfectly fine to that.
Speaker 8: They don't see that as unfair. They just see arbitration
Speaker 8: as unfair. That's really inconsistent and drives me crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, that's because they don't have principles.
Speaker 5: They take on and put on and take off their
Speaker 5: principles like windbreakers on the left. It's in a third
Speaker 5: of California law, as you know, exists enriched trial attorneys.
Speaker 4: But Tim Sandaffer of the Goldwater Institute joins us. Tim
Speaker 4: has been a leading voice of economic freedom for decades
Speaker 4: now in the United States.
Speaker 2: We're all getting old. Tim, I don't know if you've noticed.
Speaker 5: Help us understand why this policy of ending corporate greed
Speaker 5: and gouging is so stupid.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it really is stupid, and it is incredibly counterproductive.
Speaker 8: Price controls equal shortages. And the reason why is because
Speaker 8: you have to understand how prices work. People have this
Speaker 8: idea that prices are just sort of arbitrarily slapped on things,
Speaker 8: and that it's just greedy people putting numbers on things.
Speaker 8: And that's not what prices actually are. Prices are signals.
Speaker 8: When you see a price tag, think of it as
Speaker 8: something like the speedometer in your car. It's just measuring something,
Speaker 8: that's all. It's not somebody trying to rip you off.
Speaker 8: It's telling you how much resources, how much work, how
Speaker 8: much raw materials, and things go into a product as
Speaker 8: compared to the other things that the labor or raw
Speaker 8: materials could have been used for. That's all price is.
Speaker 8: So when a price goes up and then you come
Speaker 8: in with the government and prohibit people from charging what
Speaker 8: the thing actually costs, all you're doing is silencing that signal,
Speaker 8: which causes confusion throughout the entire economy and has terrible
Speaker 8: ripple effects. And it is absolutely true that you cannot
Speaker 8: just control the price of one thing. If you try
Speaker 8: to control the price of one thing, then people are
Speaker 8: going to turn the resources into some other thing, and
Speaker 8: then you have to control the price of that also.
Speaker 8: So for instance, if you were to try to limit
Speaker 8: the price that milk could could be sold at, the
Speaker 8: dairies are not going to make back the money that
Speaker 8: they need to keep operating if they sell milk, so
Speaker 8: instead they'll start making cheese and they'll start charging more
Speaker 8: for the cheese. So then you have to control the
Speaker 8: price of cheese. So then they start making yogurt, So
Speaker 8: now you've got to control the price of yogurt. And
Speaker 8: it keeps going on and on like that. So it's
Speaker 8: a terrible idea that causes shortages because if I don't
Speaker 8: know that I could make a whole bunch of money
Speaker 8: by making the selling plywood. Then I'm not going to
Speaker 8: make and sell the plywood. And now people can't get
Speaker 8: the plywood. And the reason why is because I didn't
Speaker 8: get the signal. Because the government prohibited people from telling
Speaker 8: the truth about what the prices are. And that's all
Speaker 8: price and trills are is. It inhibits people from telling
Speaker 8: the truth about what things actually cost. And the reason
Speaker 8: the government does that is because it's the one at
Speaker 8: fault for raising the prices to begin with, and it
Speaker 8: doesn't want people to know that, so it tries to
Speaker 8: silence it by blaming businesses for charging what things are
Speaker 8: actually worth. When the government is the one responsible for
Speaker 8: making your dollars worth less to begin with.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's one hundred or maybe ten thousand times
Speaker 4: more complicated, as anybody who's ever read eye pencil could
Speaker 4: tell you. Because that dairy farmer that you used as
Speaker 4: an example, what if all of their costs stay the same,
Speaker 4: but because of some sort of shock in oil prices,
Speaker 4: the trucks that bring their milk to market become much
Speaker 4: much more expensive to use. Then the government is involved
Speaker 4: in trucking prices, in shipping prices, and soon gasoline prices
Speaker 4: and the rest of it.
Speaker 2: It's doomed it and everybody's actually right. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: I offered up a paraphrase of your explanation of why
Speaker 4: gouging quote unquote gouging is not a bad thing. I
Speaker 4: use the example of chainsaws after a hurricane, but I
Speaker 4: wasn't nearly as eloquent or knowledgeable as you would be.
Speaker 2: Can you give us the a thirty second version of that.
Speaker 8: All that the prices do, when the prices go up
Speaker 8: and people start charging one hundred dollars to use a
Speaker 8: chainsaw because of the hurricane, all that does is signal
Speaker 8: that there's a lot of demand for hurricanes, a lot
Speaker 8: of demands for chainsaw And so all the chainsaw companies
Speaker 8: see that signal and they're like, oh gosh, we need
Speaker 8: to ship a whole bunch of chainsaws down to Florida
Speaker 8: or whatever. So then they do. Now, if you prohibit that,
Speaker 8: if you prohibit people from sending that signal, if you
Speaker 8: silence the truth about prices, which is what price controls do,
Speaker 8: then the chainsaw companies never see that message. They might
Speaker 8: as well sell their chainsaws in Nebraska or Washington State.
Speaker 8: So you got a whole bunch of chainsaws in Nebraska
Speaker 8: and washingtons in state, and you don't get them down
Speaker 8: in Florida where you actually need them, because the prices
Speaker 8: weren't allowed to go up, so nobody got the signal
Speaker 8: that that's where they need to send their chainsaw. This
Speaker 8: it's a simple matter, but it gets obscured because politicians
Speaker 8: want to blew you into thinking that businesses are evil
Speaker 8: and greedy when they're the ones that are out there
Speaker 8: printing money as if it's no problem at all making
Speaker 8: all of your dollars worth less, which means people have
Speaker 8: to charge more to get what things are worth. And
Speaker 8: then the government doesn't want to admit that it's the
Speaker 8: one at fault. Harris, for example, having been the tie
Speaker 8: breaking vote in favor of the Print the Money Act,
Speaker 8: and so she wants to confuse people about that by
Speaker 8: blaming businesses and silencing the truth about price.
Speaker 5: You know, that's one of many economic principles that the
Speaker 5: first time I ever heard, I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: and that makes one hundred percent sense and changed my
Speaker 5: mind completely. It troubles me that a lot of this
Speaker 5: stuff pulls so well, the punishing, gouging or whatever.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately, government gets away with it all the time. You
Speaker 8: asked about whether it's legal, and I'm sorry to say
Speaker 8: that courts have allowed various forms of price control since
Speaker 8: at least eighteen seventy six. So unfortunately, there are ways
Speaker 8: that the government can do this. Just take one example
Speaker 8: is so called march in right. This is a provision
Speaker 8: in federal patent law that says that if the government
Speaker 8: decides it wants to, it can allow some other company
Speaker 8: to use your patent without your approval. And most recently,
Speaker 8: the Biden administration is proposed using this power to impose
Speaker 8: price controls by saying, well, this is medicine costs too much.
Speaker 8: We're just going to basically eliminate the patent rights. Well,
Speaker 8: if you eliminate the patent rights, nobody's going to invest
Speaker 8: money in developing new kinds of medicine. What a terrible idea,
Speaker 8: truly killing the golden goose. And yet that is being
Speaker 8: put forward as modern advanced economic thinking by a bunch
Speaker 8: of people who would flunk basic economics if they had
Speaker 8: ever bothered to take it.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll be looking to pummel these ideas with both
Speaker 4: of our fists, all four of our fists in the
Speaker 4: days and weeks to come, and we hope we can
Speaker 4: stay in touch.
Speaker 2: Tim.
Speaker 5: This is it's frustrating me that a lot of this
Speaker 5: is not counterintuitive, but it takes a while to.
Speaker 2: Explain to people.
Speaker 4: Once you do, the light bulb goes on and it's
Speaker 4: very easily understood. But for whatever reason, it takes a
Speaker 4: little explaining and that's tough in politics. But great to
Speaker 4: talk to you, Tim, Thanks a million.
Speaker 8: Thanks, guys, the sand.
Speaker 4: Of her vice president for legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute.
Speaker 4: Look for his books and read them. They're terrific.
Speaker 5: That explanation for why gouging is good in an emergency,
Speaker 5: for instance, you know, changed my mind instantly. He's like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, that makes perfectly good sense. And I've never
Speaker 5: really thought about it since. Same as when my dad
Speaker 5: explained to me, well, socialism doesn't work beause socialism sounded
Speaker 5: good to me as a child when I was like ten.
Speaker 5: And then he said, but then nobody would work very
Speaker 5: hard if everybody gets the same result.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're right, and.
Speaker 5: Then that was it, and I would just wish we
Speaker 5: could get that information out to more people Armstrong.
Speaker 7: And the Armstrong and Getty shirt.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna do this first.
Speaker 5: So yesterday, I'm coming out of the grocery store last night,
Speaker 5: and I'm in line behind this woman and she is
Speaker 5: a older woman, like quite a bit older.
Speaker 2: She's like seven or something like it.
Speaker 5: And she they said, you want to help out in
Speaker 5: your bag, and she said, no, I think I got it.
Speaker 2: I think I got it under control.
Speaker 5: Don't worry about me, and that she's got her bags
Speaker 5: as she's walking outside, and then she passes somebody I'm
Speaker 5: right behind her who's got a Senta hat on, which
Speaker 5: I like to wear this time here, and she said, oh,
Speaker 5: I love your hat purple.
Speaker 2: That's cool. You don't usually say purple.
Speaker 5: Then she walks out and she says hello to some
Speaker 5: other people, a person with a big smile on her face.
Speaker 2: And I thought, I was thinking.
Speaker 5: About what you always say about how much of your
Speaker 5: personality is just built into you in terms of because
Speaker 5: we do all these different studies or recommendations on how
Speaker 5: to have a better mood or be optimore, optimistic or whatever.
Speaker 5: I thought, She's not doing any of that stuff. She
Speaker 5: was just born that way. I mean, she was so
Speaker 5: much more friendly in a five minute period. For five minute,
Speaker 5: there's a sixty second period of me being behind her
Speaker 5: than I am in a month.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, she either like just escaped death or just
Speaker 4: got released from prison, or she's posh. Yeah, she had
Speaker 4: a couple eg nogs before she shot, or she's just
Speaker 4: built that way.
Speaker 2: Good for her, that's wonderful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just thought I wish I was more
Speaker 5: like that, but I'm not. Is there anything I can
Speaker 5: do about that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I really don't know. Yeah, And then I got into.
Speaker 5: The percentages of because sometimes, and we've all done this
Speaker 5: where you're like in a bad negative mood and something
Speaker 5: snaps you out of it and you realize that you
Speaker 5: were in a bad negative mood and they were, you know.
Speaker 2: Looking at things in the worst possible way or whatever.
Speaker 5: So there is something to attitude or having some control
Speaker 5: over it. So I'm trying to think, is it like
Speaker 5: ninety ten, sixty forty, where do you think it is
Speaker 5: in terms of how much you can control that.
Speaker 2: I've always said that.
Speaker 4: You can play with like twenty percent around the margins.
Speaker 4: I haven't thought seriously about it, but yeah, you come
Speaker 4: into the world with a particular mindset, and you can
Speaker 4: you can speed it up some or slow it down some,
Speaker 4: but a guy like you is never going to be
Speaker 4: like her no again unless you escape death or just
Speaker 4: released from prison.
Speaker 2: And that I don't last more than like a week. No,
Speaker 2: no, no no.
Speaker 5: It's like after I get through with cancer and it
Speaker 5: had like no effect on me, And I've talked to
Speaker 5: other people who were like really hoping this was going
Speaker 5: to be one of those and never after after that,
Speaker 5: I for the rest of my life I had this attitude.
Speaker 2: Of Bob that didn't happen. I've talked to other people
Speaker 2: felt the same way.
Speaker 5: They car crash, cancer, whatever it was, and didn't change
Speaker 5: them a bit.
Speaker 2: There's still the same sort less surly negative person they
Speaker 2: were before.
Speaker 4: That is simultaneously really disturbing and really reassuring.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know which right, so I
Speaker 2: don't know what is he going. You're said a hat purple.
Speaker 2: You don't see that very often. That's great. I just thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: I wish I was like you, but I'm not. I
Speaker 2: admire it and I hate it right both both. I'm
Speaker 2: strong and connecting. The reality is this is fabulous.
Speaker 7: I thank you.
Speaker 2: This is all crazy, this is it is yep, but
Speaker 2: damn it, we weren't allowed to ask about the big guys.
Speaker 2: This is the United States of America, God's sake, let's
Speaker 2: not play games.
Speaker 7: This is the Armstrong and Geeddy Show.