1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong's Joe, Katty arm Strong. 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: And Jetty and He Armstrong and Getty Strong. I don't 4 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: want to be breaking up family. So the only way 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: you don't. 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 3: Break up the family is you keep them together, and 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: you have to send them. 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: All back there you go. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 4: Trump, in response to the inevitable question, you say you 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 4: wanted to poor people, Are you going to separate families? 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 5: Always asked from the point of view of it being bad, 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 5: even though he ran on that got elected and sixty 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 5: percent of people approve of it. So I just drives 14 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 5: me nuts. 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 4: Whenever we talk about this, I'm reminded of my youthful 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 4: idea of living in Germany to work and study and 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: stuff like that. Because I studied German, thought that might 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 4: be interesting. And it became clear that there were severe 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 4: limitations in getting into the country than staying in there 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 4: and working was very, very difficult. You had to get 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 4: permits and stuff like that, so I and I accepted that. 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 4: I thought, well, that's unfortunate, but it is what it is, 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 4: the idea that I would go to Germany sneak in 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: and then when they say, hey, you don't have authorization 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 4: to be here, and you certainly don't have authorization to 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 4: work me saying how are you gonna separate me and 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: my family? And what would the Germans say to that, Well, 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 4: they'd say it in German, so you wouldn't understand it, folks. 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: But what it would mean essentially is be quiet and 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 4: get back in line. 31 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: It's not our problem. 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 5: We got a bunch of clips, but I thought maybe 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 5: the most important one that should have gotten a lot 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 5: of attention but didn't from Trump was when he was 35 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 5: asked about do you ran on retribution? And he said, 36 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 5: I'm really looking to make our country successful. I'm not 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 5: looking to go back into the past. I'm looking to 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 5: make our country successful. Retribution will be through success. Okay, 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 5: there's your hitler for you. There's your hitler, there's your 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 5: there will never be another election again. 41 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: Well, and he has made that point repeatedly. 42 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 5: The retribution is how successful we're going to be. 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: That lays it to rest. Well, it's such a good 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: clickbaiting narrative. 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: The lion liars in the media and Kristen Welker is 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: their unholy princess. 47 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: They just can't leave that to the narrative alone. Stop it. 48 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 5: There are real problems with Trump quld making stuff up right. Yeah, 49 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 5: all right, So back to Trump and Welker. A lot 50 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 5: of people have enjoyed this clip. It's thirty seven, Michael. 51 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 5: They are discussing January sixth. 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: In general. 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 6: Officials say that the order never came in for the 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 6: National Arts on January sixth. 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this about j six Josh. 56 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 3: Wrote in a statement that he has destroyed all evidence. 57 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 6: Let me ask you this about January sixth. 58 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: I wish you could be a if you you know, 59 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: you have such potential, if you could be just just 60 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: non biased. You hurt yourself so badly. I'm telling you 61 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 3: they deleted and destroyed all the evidence. Everyone knows it, 62 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: and you sluff it off like it doesn't mean anything. 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 6: No, I did it, deny it. 64 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. 65 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: Listen, if I did it, you would be standing up 66 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: in that chairs shouting at me, and you know what 67 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: I do, I'd say, you got me. 68 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 5: My main takeaway with that is, Okay, you're gonna ask 69 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 5: him about January sixth again and try to get him 70 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 5: to admit to something or whatever. Do you I assume, 71 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 5: Kristin Walker, you don't like Trump and don't want him 72 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 5: to have power and be elected. 73 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: You're helping him. You're helping him. 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 5: Yes, the majority of people are like whatever, move on 75 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 5: to something else. I know a lot of super hardcore 76 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 5: Trumpeters would love to talk about January sixth for the 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 5: rest of their lives. 78 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: But that's not where most of America is. 79 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 4: Well, no, America saw it, and they had a choice 80 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: between Trump and then Biden and then Harris and saying 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: goodness said, we're not electing either one of them. So, yeah, 82 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 4: he brings with him that baggage. But let's let's look 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: to that. What are we accomplishing by relitigating it at 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: this point? And Jack and I were both harshly critical 85 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 4: of Trump then, and I have not changed my opinion 86 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: of his activities on the day one ioda. 87 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 2: I still condemn it. 88 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 5: And yet here we are, excuse me, in the year 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, with a hell of a lot on 90 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 5: her plate. 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: Let's get on it. 92 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: So speing which Christin Welker, who again, I should have 93 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 4: written out all of my various insulting adjectives I'd had 94 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: in my head to use for her, because I find 95 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: her obnoxious, smugly, one sided, and snotty. 96 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: Oh just not a good person anyway. Ah, she brought 97 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: up the. 98 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 4: Federal minimum wage and clip thirty nine B. 99 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 6: I don't know if you remember this, but during the 100 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 6: debate in twenty twenty, I asked you if you would 101 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 6: raise the minimum wage. You said you would consider it. 102 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 6: And so my question for you is now that you 103 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 6: are going back to the White House for these nineteen 104 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 6: states that voted for you, are you going to raise 105 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 6: the effects. 106 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: It's a very low number. I will agree, it's a 107 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: very low number. Let me give you the downside though. 108 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 3: In California they raise it up to a very high number, 109 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: and your restaurants are going out of business all over 110 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: the place. The population is shrinking. It's had a very 111 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: negative impact. But there is a level at which you 112 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 3: could do it. Absolutely what is that level? Do you? 113 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. I 114 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: can say this, you have a lot of businesses that 115 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: are open and thriving because of the lower minimum wage. 116 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: If you raise it too much, and you understand this, 117 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: if California went crazy, they went crazy, and people the 118 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: restaurants are closing, all of them, many more people are hurt. 119 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 6: So I hear you saying similarly to sort of what 120 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 6: you said in twenty twenty, will you consider. 121 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: This something you're going to look at it. 122 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: I'd want to speak to the governors. And the other 123 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 3: thing that's very complicated about minimum wages is places are 124 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: so different. Mississippi and al and great places are very 125 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 3: different than New York or California. I mean in terms 126 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: of the cost of living and other things. So it'd 127 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: be nice to have just a minimum wage for the 128 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: whole country, but it wouldn't work because you have places 129 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: where it's very inexpensive to live, where a minimum wage, 130 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: which is eight or nine dollars might be, you know, 131 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: might have very much, very little effect because the cost 132 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: of living in certain places is really low. 133 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: This makes me so tired, I know. 134 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 5: So, first of all, he's the leader of what is 135 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 5: now the working Class Party, and raising the minimum wage polls. 136 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 2: Well, it's unfortunate. I think with a. 137 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 5: Five minutes of explanation, you could explain to a lot 138 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 5: of people why it's not actually good for you to 139 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 5: raise the minimum wage. But Trump realizes, you know, the 140 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 5: party that he's leading. But even when he states to 141 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 5: her there's a downside. 142 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: To raising the min wage. 143 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 5: She just completely blows that off and goes with the 144 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 5: next question of obviously it would be good for everyone 145 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 5: to raise the minimum wage. I feel like I should 146 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 5: inject here from one of your Thomas swell so Well 147 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 5: quotes on Twitter about the minimum wage, the minimum wage 148 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 5: law is very cleverly misnamed. The real minimum wage is zero, 149 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 5: and that is what many inexperienced and low skilled people 150 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 5: receive as a result of legislation that makes it illegal 151 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 5: to pay them what they're currently worth to an employer. 152 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 4: Well said, very succinctly said Trump frustrates me always because 153 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 4: he does just a half assed job of of explaining 154 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: some of the principles that I hold dear. 155 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: But you know, he is what he is. But the 156 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: federal minimum wage. 157 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: Is to call it irrelevant is to exaggerate how relevant 158 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: it is. It is a complete non factor in anyone's life. 159 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: It's a silly discussion. If states want minimum wages, they 160 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 4: should pass them. There is, you know, with the exception 161 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: of a couple like enslaved immigrants who are probably trying 162 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: to escape right now, and I wish them well, there 163 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: is nobody in America who is exchanging their labor for 164 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: a wage that they are unwilling to exchange their labor 165 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: for nobody. If you don't want to do a job 166 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 4: at a particular wage, you will not take that job. 167 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 4: The idea that the government can, somehow, especially the federal government, 168 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: prop up some sort of minimum it's just it ignores 169 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: everything that is the most fundamental about economics. It's just silly. 170 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: It's a silly question. I mean it's it's pretty silly 171 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 4: on the state level. On the federal level, it's completely ridiculous. 172 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: Sat You're gonna have a minimum wage for Coonhuller, Kentucky. 173 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: And what is that gonna do for the people in Seattle, 174 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 4: for instance, or La Nothing? It's just dopey kristin Ohy. 175 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: What's the main business in Coonhuller? 176 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: Squirrel skinning, mostly squirrel peltsol, squirrel coats, squirrel hats. 177 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 5: I'm making sell I make and sell frog gigging sticks. Oh, 178 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 5: you're the jack of Jack's froggy. Yes, jack sticks are 179 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 5: very pointy. My daddy used to tell me, boy, you 180 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 5: go frog gigg and son. You don't have jack sticks, 181 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 5: you might as well have popstickle stick. 182 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: Eh. 183 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: Anyway, I assume you stab the frogs or something. Let's 184 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 4: see which what else do we want to play? I 185 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 4: like where he calls her hostile and nasty. Yeah, let's 186 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 4: play for you, Michael. 187 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 3: The press has to straightened himself out, because honestly, it's 188 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: lost all credibility based on the press. I should have 189 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: gotten no votes, none, and yet I got the highest 190 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: number ever. And the reason is because I'm able to 191 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: go on a show even like yours, even though you're 192 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: very hostile, I'm able to go on a show like yours. 193 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: No you are. 194 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 6: Hopefully you thought it was a fair interview. We covered 195 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 6: a lot of policy grounds, which fair only in. 196 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 3: That you allowed me to say what I said. But 197 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: you know, the answers the questions are you know, asty. 198 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: But look that's true. 199 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: You know, you would think the press would like to 200 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: see strongboarders, great education, are powerful military. So we have 201 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: a country left and all these different things, and somehow 202 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: they don't want to see that. 203 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 4: As always, I wish I could, you know, be the 204 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 4: fly or not the fly on the wall, but the 205 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 4: voice in Trump's here and have him say, like you've 206 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: pointed out, Jack many times, you ask every question from 207 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 4: the perspective of liberal Americans. 208 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: More than half the country is conservative. 209 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 5: Ask a question from their perspective ones you might like it. 210 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And on some specific issues like the deportation, there's 211 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: polling that shows the vast majority it's in ease. It's 212 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: a sixty to forty win for deporting illegals, right, So 213 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: why why ask it from the point of view of the. 214 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: Forty speaking of which she asked every single one of 215 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 4: her immigration questions from the perspective of AOC pretending to 216 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: cry in a parking lot mile away. The phoniness thirty one. 217 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: He's talking about, you know, supporting people and you know 218 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 4: both ends of the equator. 219 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: You know, the people that have been treated very unfairly 220 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 3: are the people that have been online for ten years 221 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: to come into the country. And we're going to make 222 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 3: it very easy for people to come in in terms 223 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: of they have to pass the test. They have to 224 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: be able to tell you what the statue of liberty is. 225 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: They have to tell you a little bit about our country. 226 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 3: They have to love our country. They can't come out 227 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 3: of prisons. We don't want people that are in for murder. 228 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: We have to get the criminals out of our country. 229 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: And we got to do it. 230 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're going to let the good people in, the 231 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 5: smart people who we can use, and we're going to 232 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 5: get rid of the murderers. 233 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: But what about separating families? What the hell? 234 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 7: Armstrong and see Armstrong and Getty show. 235 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: We got this text out of nowhere. 236 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 5: Do you know why hippies were petruli oil so blind 237 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 5: people can hate them too? 238 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's beautiful. Here's your freedom loving quote of 239 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: the day. 240 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 4: One of our beloved listeners sent this to us next 241 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 4: to a big picture of Captain America, and it was 242 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: Captain America saying this, And I understand this is a 243 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 4: speech he gives to buck up Spider Man at one 244 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 4: point during the movies, And I thought, boy, this is 245 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 4: really eloquent for one of your one of your comic 246 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 4: book movies. Did the script write or write write this? 247 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: And I did a little digging and no, it's actually 248 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: a very very close paraphrase of something Mark Twain said. Interesting, 249 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 4: but I liked it so much I posted it up 250 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: in the studio so I could glance at it now. 251 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: And again, I will give you the Twain version, which 252 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: only is only subtly. 253 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 5: Different as opposed to Captain America. Okay, it does. It 254 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 5: does lend him a little more gravitas. 255 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 4: Well, unless you're fighting off a ma then I'd rather 256 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: have a captain on my side than the scribe. Honestly 257 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 4: love Captain America kicks ass, Twain incredibly eloquent. Captain America 258 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 4: definitely stronger on the whoop ass front. 259 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 5: If you're fighting the Winter Soldier, you want Captain America, 260 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 5: not Mark Twain. 261 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 4: I agree completely. Anyway, here's what Twain said. It's a 262 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 4: little long, but I love it so much. Maybe we 263 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 4: could work in a little email later on. Let men 264 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 4: label you as they may. If you alone, of all 265 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: the nation, decide one way, and that way be the 266 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: right way. By your convictions of the right, You've done 267 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 4: your duty, by yourself and by your country, holding up 268 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 4: your head, for you have nothing to be ashamed of. 269 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what the press says. It doesn't matter 270 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 5: what the politicians or the mobs say. It doesn't matter 271 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 5: if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. 272 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 5: Republics are founded on one principle above all else, the 273 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 5: requirement that we stand up for what we believe in, 274 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 5: no matter the odds or the consequences. 275 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 2: When the mob and the press and the whole world 276 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: tell you to move. 277 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: Your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside 278 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,599 Speaker 4: the river of truth and tell the whole world world, no, 279 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:07,199 Speaker 4: you move. Mark fing Twain, that's two people understand, that's 280 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: his middle name. 281 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 5: That's really good stuff if it's the right cause or thing. 282 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, and maybe I'll explain later why this happened. 283 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 5: I was listening to a speech last night FBI recordings 284 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 5: of Jim Jones down Guyana, before he had all those 285 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 5: people kill themselves, the Jim Jones cult, that whole thing. 286 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 5: He gave a very similar speech there, as he had 287 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 5: convinced all those numb nuts that the world was out 288 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 5: to get them and they were doing the right thing. 289 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: I'm very similar speech. I had no idea you'd heard that. 290 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: I knew in my heart of hearts you would come 291 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: up with some counter argument against that thought. 292 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: I'm not going to know it. 293 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 4: It just you just have to have you just have 294 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: to just you know, it works when the cause is 295 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: right right. But that's irrelevant an as an observation of society, 296 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 4: it's one hundred correct as a principle. That some people 297 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: employ it wrongly is irrelevant. 298 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: You're right. I think it's a moral principle. Both are true. 299 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: Isn't that a head scratcher? It is anyway, mailbag. 300 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 4: Drop usnowl yourmail bag at Armstrong and Getdy dot com. 301 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 4: Uh oh Madden Honolulu with a really interesting note about 302 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 4: the Honolulu getaway pad that those Chinese spies who infiltrated 303 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 4: New York's government pad. But his sign off is he says, 304 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 4: our one more Thing yesterday on price controls and gouging 305 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: should be mandatory listening to graduate from high school. 306 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 2: Thank you for the kind words. 307 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: You can grab that wherever you like to get podcasts 308 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty One more Thing, you know. 309 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 5: Listen to it out again, speaking of counterintuitive price gouging 310 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 5: is a good thing and that and it makes perfect 311 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 5: economic sense. 312 00:15:58,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: Listen to the One More Thing. 313 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: Podcast and it's the best thing that can happen for 314 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 4: poor people. 315 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see. 316 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 4: Wow, what a contrast, writes Joe and Ventura, California. Notice 317 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: this on my local freeway off ramp, winner and loser. 318 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 4: There is a young man appears to be of immigrants, 319 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 4: stock selling bouquets of flowers to cars whoever want some 320 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: flowers On the way home and there's a scumbag junkie begging. 321 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: Right right. 322 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 5: That's a good one. That's a good one. You got 323 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 5: people there on the corner. This happens driving out to 324 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 5: the farm. When I go home. Sometimes you got people 325 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 5: on the corner selling strawberries. Usually a whole family in 326 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 5: the hot sun, set up their table, got their you know, 327 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,239 Speaker 5: station wagon there selling strawberries. 328 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: You got people just begging on the street. Yeah, yeah, 329 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: that's all. 330 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 5: I'll see how much the people that are working their 331 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 5: ass off sitting there in the sun selling the strawberries 332 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 5: can't have much respect for the beggar on. 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: The street, he says. 334 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be ironic if this was a planned social 335 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: science experiments to see what kind of reactions could be 336 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: A litle from the drivers, I admit I it was 337 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: guilty of making my opinion known. A big thumbs up 338 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 4: to the winner and down to the loser. Care to 339 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 4: put your own caption on this photo? 340 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: Well? Thanks, Joe. 341 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 5: Quick question for you, what if you happen to miss 342 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 5: this unbelievable radio program. 343 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 4: The answer is easy, friends, just download our podcast Armstrong 344 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 4: and Getty on demand. It's the podcast version of the 345 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 4: broadcast show available anytime, any day, every single podcast platform 346 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 4: known demand. 347 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 2: Download it now. Armstrong and Getty on Demand arm. 348 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: Strong, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show. 349 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: I remember why Tim La Lawyer's name came up yesterday. 350 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 5: We're talking about that amazing story of that poor guy. 351 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: Gee and his wife are at a Disney property. 352 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 5: He says that they told the waiter, look, my wife 353 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 5: has peanut allergy or fruit out or something like that 354 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 5: really bad, so we can't have anything that's touching nuts 355 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 5: or whatever. Anyway, she ends up getting some food that's 356 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 5: got the allergic stuff in it and she dies. She 357 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 5: actually dies at one of these Disney properties. So he's 358 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 5: looking into suing. Not for very much money. It was 359 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 5: a fifty five thousand dollars, so it's not like one 360 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 5: of those, you know, you only ten million dollar things. 361 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 5: But anyway, found out that because he had signed up 362 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 5: for Disney Plus and clicked I agree on the agreement 363 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 5: thing at ten thirty at night once without reading a 364 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 5: word of the agreement, he had agreed to no trials 365 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 5: by jury that go after Disney in any way whatsoever 366 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 5: I did. 367 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: I agreed to that by watching Disney place. Who knew that? 368 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 5: And just all these agreements that we all click on 369 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 5: every single week on something we haven't got the slightest 370 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 5: idea what's in there that needs. 371 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: To be fixed. 372 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: That's just one of several topics we can't wait to 373 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 4: discuss with Tim Sanderfer, vice president for Legal Affairs at 374 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: the Goldwater Institute, author of a number of fabulous tomes, including, 375 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: and this will come up in a little while, the 376 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 4: right to earn a living, which is all about economic freedom. 377 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: Tim, welcome, How are you, sir? I'm just fine. 378 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 8: Thanks for having me back the course. 379 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 5: Is there some sort of way we can do away 380 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 5: with these agreements that we all click on that are 381 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 5: one hundred pagees long and we'd have to hire a 382 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 5: lawyer and spend a lot of money to figure out 383 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 5: what the hell they mean? 384 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 8: Well, so the legal term for that kind of a 385 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 8: contract that they call it a contract of adhesion, which 386 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 8: is when somebody holds out this document says take it 387 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 8: or leave it. Just if you want the thing, you 388 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 8: got to agree to it. There's no negotiation, just go 389 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 8: with it. And judges tend to be pretty skeptical of 390 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 8: contracts of adhesion because it is a dangerous kind of 391 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 8: situation where a person might not know what they're getting 392 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 8: into when they sign the agreement. And so I think 393 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 8: if you were to try and argue, as Disney is, 394 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 8: arguing that because you agreed to a completely different service, 395 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 8: one that had nothing to do with the injury that 396 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 8: actually occurred, because you agreed to arbitration there where now 397 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 8: you can't have a trial over here for this other thing, 398 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 8: I honestly think that's a hard argument to persuade a judge. 399 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 8: And now, of course it depends on the states. California 400 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 8: courts are very hostile to arbitration. They really don't like 401 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 8: the idea that you can be required to go to 402 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 8: arbitration instead of a court of law. But there are 403 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 8: lots of advantages to arbitration, including for people who are 404 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 8: suing a business. Arbitration is faster, it's overseen by people 405 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 8: who are knowledgeable legal you know, judges and lawyers who 406 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 8: know what they're doing and tend to be experts in 407 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 8: like personal injury and business and things like this, Whereas 408 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 8: a jury is made up of just the twelve people 409 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 8: who showed up for jury duty that day. So there 410 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 8: are advantages to going by through arbitration, but forcing somebody 411 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 8: into arbitration because they agreed to a completely different service 412 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 8: at a completely different time by a boilerplate contract of adhesion. 413 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 8: I think judges are going to be really skeptical of 414 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 8: that attempt. 415 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: The example, Yes, I was about to lay that out. 416 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 4: I was going to say, my daughter has just started 417 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 4: law school, has already learned, well, she's actually working in 418 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 4: the law for several years. That it depends is the 419 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 4: all purpose answer for every question that's legal. But the 420 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 4: idea that I would I would get Disney Plus to 421 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 4: watch the Mandalorian. Then I go to Disneyland and Goofy 422 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 4: beats me into Acoma with a steel rod, and that's 423 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 4: not actionable because I signed that. That's it depends where 424 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: that happens. I guess, yeah. 425 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 8: Well, for one thing, you cannot waive your liability for 426 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 8: intentional or reckless harm you. So Disney is not allowed 427 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 8: to say you're never allowed to sue us if Goofy 428 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 8: beats you. 429 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: Up with a metal raw Oh good. 430 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 8: They can require you to go to arbitration instead of 431 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 8: a legal court. If you have a dispute over Disney 432 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 8: Plus as part of the user agreement, and you do 433 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 8: have what lawyers call the duty to read before clicking 434 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 8: the button. It is you are legally bound by these things, 435 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 8: and you have to be honest because otherwise modern industry 436 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 8: would collapse. 437 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: Do need to read? But so like you, you don't 438 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: have kids. 439 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 5: But if you had kids, you go to the jumpatorium 440 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 5: like I do, where they jump on the trampolines, and 441 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 5: you have to sign a waiver before your kid can 442 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 5: jump on the trampoline. And you go over to the 443 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 5: waiver and it's like thirty pages long, and I and 444 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 5: every other parent there just scroll to the bottom clicks 445 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 5: I agree, and your kids put on their socks and 446 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: they go jump. You, as a lawyer, would you read 447 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 5: all that stuff or what would you do? 448 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 8: You absolutely have to read all this Now, I will 449 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 8: say there's actually a case directly on that issue from 450 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 8: New Jersey from a few years ago where the kid 451 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 8: wanted to go to the skateboard park. Mom goes, takes 452 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 8: the kid to the skateboard park. They require him to 453 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 8: the parent to sign this waiver and the court said 454 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 8: that the waiver was not binding because you cannot expect 455 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 8: a parent to resist the begging of a child. Well, 456 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 8: it's so ludicrous. It's like, oh, I don't have any 457 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 8: responsibility at all because I can't control my kids. 458 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 4: No, no, you don't understand. It's the begging doctrine goes 459 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 4: back centuries. So I'm picturing Tim, I'm picturreing the alternative. 460 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 4: There we are at the jumpatorium, and I'm reading this 461 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: pages of contract, and I say, oh wow, Sun, paragraph 462 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 4: thirteen highly probably give me a second. Here, I bust 463 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 4: out my cell phone. I called her legal department. Oh, 464 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 4: some turns out there a subsidiary of paramoun attractions. Anyway, 465 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: I need legal police, your legal department. Yeah, ah wait, 466 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 4: thank you very much. Then you know an hour later, yeah, 467 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 4: yeah yeah, paragraph thirteen specifically, you'll get back to me. 468 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, son, we've got to wait a while. 469 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 5: I mean, come on, we're going to go go back 470 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 5: home because I am not happy with fourteen C. I mean, 471 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 5: that's just so, that's so unrealistic. You just said you've 472 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 5: got to read that stuff. Nobody's ever going to do that, 473 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 5: Tim and timpos Yack. 474 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 8: You know what they call that deck They call that 475 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 8: responsible citizenship. That's that's your obligation when you're handed a 476 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 8: big contract to read it before you sign it, so 477 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 8: you know what you're doing. 478 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 5: Nothing, Well, you're you're a libertarian. So this is one 479 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 5: of the reasons your name came up yesterday. I was thinking, 480 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 5: so is this a free market solution in fairy that 481 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 5: we parents would not click? I agree, and we would 482 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 5: not jump there. And so the jumpatorium across the street 483 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 5: that doesn't have such a long agreement thing would get 484 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 5: more business. 485 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: Is that the only hope that the. 486 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 8: Answer is mostly yes. Now, the reason why it's not 487 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 8: entirely yes is because, as I said, you cannot wave 488 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 8: your liability for reckless or intentional harm to somebody. So 489 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 8: you cannot put into that contract I'm allowed to shoot 490 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 8: you in the head or something, you know, but you 491 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 8: can wave liability for an accident. I mean that's everybody 492 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 8: knows that there are risks associated with seeing and the 493 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 8: person who chooses that has to bear that. 494 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 5: Well, yes, it's funny on both sides of this issue, actually, 495 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 5: because the reason they need to have those long legal 496 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 5: agreements is because of stupid rulings that have come out. 497 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 5: And yes, my kids jumping on a trampoline and sometimes 498 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 5: when you jump on a trampoline you break your arm 499 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 5: and it's not the fault of the damn business. It's 500 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 5: just something that comes with jumping on trampoline. 501 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: So you shouldn't be. 502 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 8: Alternative to The alternative to letting businesses wave their liability 503 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 8: is you don't get trampolines at all. 504 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 4: Right, right, right, right, So then if Goofy were to 505 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: beat me down with a metal rod, that's one case. 506 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 4: If Dumbo, for instance, saw a mouse and panicked and 507 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 4: trampled me, that that would be entirely different. 508 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 8: It would be entirely different matter, because it depends. Now 509 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 8: here's another important point is that a lot of time 510 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 8: I mentioned California cuts really hate arbitration, and the reason 511 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 8: why is because they tend to think that arbitration favors 512 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 8: the evil big business, and that's bad and we need 513 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 8: to protect people against evil big business. And yet the 514 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 8: same people who are hostiles of arbitration are often perfectly 515 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 8: fine with administrative agencies holding hearings of their own where 516 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 8: they are the people and the government agencies, the judge 517 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 8: as well as the prosecutor. They're perfectly fine to that. 518 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 8: They don't see that as unfair. They just see arbitration 519 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 8: as unfair. That's really inconsistent and drives me crazy. 520 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's because they don't have principles. 521 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 5: They take on and put on and take off their 522 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 5: principles like windbreakers on the left. It's in a third 523 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 5: of California law, as you know, exists enriched trial attorneys. 524 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 4: But Tim Sandaffer of the Goldwater Institute joins us. Tim 525 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 4: has been a leading voice of economic freedom for decades 526 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 4: now in the United States. 527 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 2: We're all getting old. Tim, I don't know if you've noticed. 528 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 5: Help us understand why this policy of ending corporate greed 529 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 5: and gouging is so stupid. 530 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 8: Yeah, it really is stupid, and it is incredibly counterproductive. 531 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 8: Price controls equal shortages. And the reason why is because 532 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 8: you have to understand how prices work. People have this 533 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 8: idea that prices are just sort of arbitrarily slapped on things, 534 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 8: and that it's just greedy people putting numbers on things. 535 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 8: And that's not what prices actually are. Prices are signals. 536 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 8: When you see a price tag, think of it as 537 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 8: something like the speedometer in your car. It's just measuring something, 538 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 8: that's all. It's not somebody trying to rip you off. 539 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 8: It's telling you how much resources, how much work, how 540 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 8: much raw materials, and things go into a product as 541 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 8: compared to the other things that the labor or raw 542 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 8: materials could have been used for. That's all price is. 543 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 8: So when a price goes up and then you come 544 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 8: in with the government and prohibit people from charging what 545 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 8: the thing actually costs, all you're doing is silencing that signal, 546 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 8: which causes confusion throughout the entire economy and has terrible 547 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 8: ripple effects. And it is absolutely true that you cannot 548 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 8: just control the price of one thing. If you try 549 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 8: to control the price of one thing, then people are 550 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 8: going to turn the resources into some other thing, and 551 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 8: then you have to control the price of that also. 552 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 8: So for instance, if you were to try to limit 553 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 8: the price that milk could could be sold at, the 554 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 8: dairies are not going to make back the money that 555 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 8: they need to keep operating if they sell milk, so 556 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 8: instead they'll start making cheese and they'll start charging more 557 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 8: for the cheese. So then you have to control the 558 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 8: price of cheese. So then they start making yogurt, So 559 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 8: now you've got to control the price of yogurt. And 560 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 8: it keeps going on and on like that. So it's 561 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 8: a terrible idea that causes shortages because if I don't 562 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 8: know that I could make a whole bunch of money 563 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 8: by making the selling plywood. Then I'm not going to 564 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 8: make and sell the plywood. And now people can't get 565 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 8: the plywood. And the reason why is because I didn't 566 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 8: get the signal. Because the government prohibited people from telling 567 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 8: the truth about what the prices are. And that's all 568 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 8: price and trills are is. It inhibits people from telling 569 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 8: the truth about what things actually cost. And the reason 570 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 8: the government does that is because it's the one at 571 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 8: fault for raising the prices to begin with, and it 572 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 8: doesn't want people to know that, so it tries to 573 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 8: silence it by blaming businesses for charging what things are 574 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 8: actually worth. When the government is the one responsible for 575 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 8: making your dollars worth less to begin with. 576 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 4: Well, and it's one hundred or maybe ten thousand times 577 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 4: more complicated, as anybody who's ever read eye pencil could 578 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 4: tell you. Because that dairy farmer that you used as 579 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 4: an example, what if all of their costs stay the same, 580 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 4: but because of some sort of shock in oil prices, 581 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: the trucks that bring their milk to market become much 582 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 4: much more expensive to use. Then the government is involved 583 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 4: in trucking prices, in shipping prices, and soon gasoline prices 584 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: and the rest of it. 585 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 2: It's doomed it and everybody's actually right. Yeah, you know. 586 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 4: I offered up a paraphrase of your explanation of why 587 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: gouging quote unquote gouging is not a bad thing. I 588 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 4: use the example of chainsaws after a hurricane, but I 589 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 4: wasn't nearly as eloquent or knowledgeable as you would be. 590 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: Can you give us the a thirty second version of that. 591 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 8: All that the prices do, when the prices go up 592 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 8: and people start charging one hundred dollars to use a 593 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 8: chainsaw because of the hurricane, all that does is signal 594 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 8: that there's a lot of demand for hurricanes, a lot 595 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 8: of demands for chainsaw And so all the chainsaw companies 596 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 8: see that signal and they're like, oh gosh, we need 597 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 8: to ship a whole bunch of chainsaws down to Florida 598 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 8: or whatever. So then they do. Now, if you prohibit that, 599 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 8: if you prohibit people from sending that signal, if you 600 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 8: silence the truth about prices, which is what price controls do, 601 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 8: then the chainsaw companies never see that message. They might 602 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 8: as well sell their chainsaws in Nebraska or Washington State. 603 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 8: So you got a whole bunch of chainsaws in Nebraska 604 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 8: and washingtons in state, and you don't get them down 605 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 8: in Florida where you actually need them, because the prices 606 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 8: weren't allowed to go up, so nobody got the signal 607 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 8: that that's where they need to send their chainsaw. This 608 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 8: it's a simple matter, but it gets obscured because politicians 609 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 8: want to blew you into thinking that businesses are evil 610 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 8: and greedy when they're the ones that are out there 611 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 8: printing money as if it's no problem at all making 612 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,239 Speaker 8: all of your dollars worth less, which means people have 613 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 8: to charge more to get what things are worth. And 614 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 8: then the government doesn't want to admit that it's the 615 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 8: one at fault. Harris, for example, having been the tie 616 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 8: breaking vote in favor of the Print the Money Act, 617 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 8: and so she wants to confuse people about that by 618 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 8: blaming businesses and silencing the truth about price. 619 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 5: You know, that's one of many economic principles that the 620 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 5: first time I ever heard, I was like, oh, okay, 621 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 5: and that makes one hundred percent sense and changed my 622 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 5: mind completely. It troubles me that a lot of this 623 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 5: stuff pulls so well, the punishing, gouging or whatever. 624 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 8: Unfortunately, government gets away with it all the time. You 625 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 8: asked about whether it's legal, and I'm sorry to say 626 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 8: that courts have allowed various forms of price control since 627 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 8: at least eighteen seventy six. So unfortunately, there are ways 628 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 8: that the government can do this. Just take one example 629 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 8: is so called march in right. This is a provision 630 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 8: in federal patent law that says that if the government 631 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,959 Speaker 8: decides it wants to, it can allow some other company 632 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 8: to use your patent without your approval. And most recently, 633 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 8: the Biden administration is proposed using this power to impose 634 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 8: price controls by saying, well, this is medicine costs too much. 635 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 8: We're just going to basically eliminate the patent rights. Well, 636 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 8: if you eliminate the patent rights, nobody's going to invest 637 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 8: money in developing new kinds of medicine. What a terrible idea, 638 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 8: truly killing the golden goose. And yet that is being 639 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 8: put forward as modern advanced economic thinking by a bunch 640 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 8: of people who would flunk basic economics if they had 641 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 8: ever bothered to take it. 642 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 4: Well, we'll be looking to pummel these ideas with both 643 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 4: of our fists, all four of our fists in the 644 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 4: days and weeks to come, and we hope we can 645 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 4: stay in touch. 646 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: Tim. 647 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 5: This is it's frustrating me that a lot of this 648 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 5: is not counterintuitive, but it takes a while to. 649 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 2: Explain to people. 650 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 4: Once you do, the light bulb goes on and it's 651 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 4: very easily understood. But for whatever reason, it takes a 652 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 4: little explaining and that's tough in politics. But great to 653 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 4: talk to you, Tim, Thanks a million. 654 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 8: Thanks, guys, the sand. 655 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 4: Of her vice president for legal affairs at the Goldwater Institute. 656 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 4: Look for his books and read them. They're terrific. 657 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 5: That explanation for why gouging is good in an emergency, 658 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 5: for instance, you know, changed my mind instantly. He's like, 659 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 5: oh yeah, that makes perfectly good sense. And I've never 660 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 5: really thought about it since. Same as when my dad 661 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 5: explained to me, well, socialism doesn't work beause socialism sounded 662 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 5: good to me as a child when I was like ten. 663 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 5: And then he said, but then nobody would work very 664 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 5: hard if everybody gets the same result. 665 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're right, and. 666 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 5: Then that was it, and I would just wish we 667 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 5: could get that information out to more people Armstrong. 668 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 7: And the Armstrong and Getty shirt. 669 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna do this first. 670 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 5: So yesterday, I'm coming out of the grocery store last night, 671 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 5: and I'm in line behind this woman and she is 672 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 5: a older woman, like quite a bit older. 673 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: She's like seven or something like it. 674 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 5: And she they said, you want to help out in 675 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 5: your bag, and she said, no, I think I got it. 676 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: I think I got it under control. 677 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 5: Don't worry about me, and that she's got her bags 678 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 5: as she's walking outside, and then she passes somebody I'm 679 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 5: right behind her who's got a Senta hat on, which 680 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 5: I like to wear this time here, and she said, oh, 681 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 5: I love your hat purple. 682 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 2: That's cool. You don't usually say purple. 683 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 5: Then she walks out and she says hello to some 684 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 5: other people, a person with a big smile on her face. 685 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: And I thought, I was thinking. 686 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 5: About what you always say about how much of your 687 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 5: personality is just built into you in terms of because 688 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 5: we do all these different studies or recommendations on how 689 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 5: to have a better mood or be optimore, optimistic or whatever. 690 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 5: I thought, She's not doing any of that stuff. She 691 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 5: was just born that way. I mean, she was so 692 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 5: much more friendly in a five minute period. For five minute, 693 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 5: there's a sixty second period of me being behind her 694 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 5: than I am in a month. 695 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 4: Right, Well, she either like just escaped death or just 696 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 4: got released from prison, or she's posh. Yeah, she had 697 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 4: a couple eg nogs before she shot, or she's just 698 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 4: built that way. 699 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 2: Good for her, that's wonderful. 700 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just thought I wish I was more 701 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 5: like that, but I'm not. Is there anything I can 702 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 5: do about that? I don't know. 703 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 2: I really don't know. Yeah, And then I got into. 704 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 5: The percentages of because sometimes, and we've all done this 705 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 5: where you're like in a bad negative mood and something 706 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 5: snaps you out of it and you realize that you 707 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 5: were in a bad negative mood and they were, you know. 708 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 2: Looking at things in the worst possible way or whatever. 709 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 5: So there is something to attitude or having some control 710 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 5: over it. So I'm trying to think, is it like 711 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 5: ninety ten, sixty forty, where do you think it is 712 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 5: in terms of how much you can control that. 713 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: I've always said that. 714 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 4: You can play with like twenty percent around the margins. 715 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 4: I haven't thought seriously about it, but yeah, you come 716 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 4: into the world with a particular mindset, and you can 717 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 4: you can speed it up some or slow it down some, 718 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 4: but a guy like you is never going to be 719 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 4: like her no again unless you escape death or just 720 00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 4: released from prison. 721 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: And that I don't last more than like a week. No, 722 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 2: no, no no. 723 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 5: It's like after I get through with cancer and it 724 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 5: had like no effect on me, And I've talked to 725 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 5: other people who were like really hoping this was going 726 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 5: to be one of those and never after after that, 727 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 5: I for the rest of my life I had this attitude. 728 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: Of Bob that didn't happen. I've talked to other people 729 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 2: felt the same way. 730 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 5: They car crash, cancer, whatever it was, and didn't change 731 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 5: them a bit. 732 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 2: There's still the same sort less surly negative person they 733 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: were before. 734 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 4: That is simultaneously really disturbing and really reassuring. 735 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know which right, so I 736 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 2: don't know what is he going. You're said a hat purple. 737 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: You don't see that very often. That's great. I just thought, Okay, 738 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 2: I wish I was like you, but I'm not. I 739 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 2: admire it and I hate it right both both. I'm 740 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: strong and connecting. The reality is this is fabulous. 741 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 7: I thank you. 742 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 2: This is all crazy, this is it is yep, but 743 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 2: damn it, we weren't allowed to ask about the big guys. 744 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: This is the United States of America, God's sake, let's 745 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: not play games. 746 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 7: This is the Armstrong and Geeddy Show.