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Speaker 1: Everybody, Welcome to Monster Territory. We have a very special

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Speaker 1: guest today, longtime a Red Sox reporter and the host

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Speaker 1: of the Baseball Isn't Boring podcast, Rob Bradford. How you doing,

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Speaker 1: my friend, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. It's there's no better way to kick.

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Speaker 3: Off the off season than to talk to you, Robbie. No,

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Speaker 3: but no better way. So I appreciate it, man, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Love. I love hearing that because usually I drive people

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Speaker 1: insane on the social media is giving my giving my

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Speaker 1: I try to be as base as possible with my

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Speaker 1: opinions on the off season, and I don't know everyone

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Speaker 1: just they criticize a lot on there, and that.

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Speaker 3: Never happens on social media. Come on, ifuse believe that, no,

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Speaker 3: come on.

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Speaker 2: It is amazing, like the reaction of stuff this time

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Speaker 2: of year, robb It's crazy, like it never amazed.

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Speaker 3: It always amazes me.

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Speaker 2: And you can put up the most minute little thing

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Speaker 2: and you just like boom, whether it's an opinion, whether

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Speaker 2: it's news whatever. But I think that now in the

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Speaker 2: off season, people are so star for every little thing

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Speaker 2: that the reaction one way or the other is nutty.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So don't take it personal, and also just

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Speaker 2: soak it in and enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I'm hoping Lu Marlone he's doing okay

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Speaker 1: because he'll give a nice, good, honest opinion that sounds

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Speaker 1: about right and sounds good, and then he's got all

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Speaker 1: the Red Sox Nation coming after him, saying, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about, Lou? And it's like, listen, if you

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Speaker 1: don't listen to anyone out there, listen to Lou freaking Relation.

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Speaker 1: I knows what he's talking about. Listen. Yeah, I've been

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Speaker 1: an armchair GM for as long as I can remember,

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Speaker 1: and if there's one guy I'm gonna listen to on

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Speaker 1: social media, it's that guy. And I'll say this too.

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Speaker 1: I came out with my annual free agent predictions this

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Speaker 1: past weekend on my main YouTube channel.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 1: My prediction is usually always wrong, that's the fun of it.

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Speaker 1: We love yelling at each other about it. But I

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Speaker 1: had Boba Schett go to the Tigers, a bold pick.

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Speaker 1: And I think the entire country of Canada is coming

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Speaker 1: after me right now, Robert, any advice, I got a

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Speaker 1: whole country coming after.

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Speaker 2: Me is a significant amount of time up in Canada.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you like they're there.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me, understandably, they're a little raw right now, the.

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Speaker 3: Little yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I just actually talked to Ben Nicholson Smith up

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Speaker 2: there about I really fascinated, like what the fallout was?

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Speaker 3: What how do you get over that I was there?

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine. I mean, I I.

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Speaker 2: Drove away from Canada, I drove the Buffalo. It flew

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Speaker 2: out of Buffalo as I'm driving away from Toronto. I

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Speaker 2: just remember this feeling this like feeling so bad for

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Speaker 2: these people.

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Speaker 3: But what And then on top.

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Speaker 2: Of it, they have you saying they're gonna lose one

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Speaker 2: of their prize possessions in bobash Det.

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Speaker 3: It's salt in the wound. Yeah, how dare you so?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: Listen, they took Vlad from US, okay, and I know

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Speaker 1: they already had Vlad, but we were supposed to get Vladder, right,

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Speaker 1: so come on, And that was the writing was on

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Speaker 1: the wall. It was perfect Vladder Femway Park for years

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Speaker 1: to come. So you'll be okay without Bo Toronto. I'm

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Speaker 1: kidding it. He could very well go back. We'll see

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Speaker 1: how the market turns out. But this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: an interesting offseason. Rob, It's you know, I talked about

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Speaker 1: this with Chris Catillo not too long ago. It feels

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Speaker 1: a bit more straightforward this offseason. The needs seem pretty clear.

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Speaker 1: You need someone behind Crochet, you need a nice big

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Speaker 1: bat in the middle of the order, maybe a couple

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Speaker 1: other little pieces here and there, and I think you're

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Speaker 1: good to go to go make a run. But at

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Speaker 1: the same time, it still feels a bit chaotic. You

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Speaker 1: got a lot of guys in the mix. You still have,

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Speaker 1: whether or not the Red Sox want to call it

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Speaker 1: of things happening, a lot of players. What are your

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Speaker 1: general feelings right now, just going into this offseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so whatever Gatilla said, I'm going to say the opposite.

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Speaker 4: So uh, I will say that, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: that there's to your point, there's a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of things to figure out here.

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Speaker 2: The reason they trade, well, one of the reasons they

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Speaker 2: trade Rafael Devors was because it was a mismatched roster. Right,

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Speaker 2: They've said that, and that became for fruition, But that

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean it wasn't a totally matched roster by the end.

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Speaker 2: To your point, the outfield situation, you got to imagine

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Speaker 2: The infield situation. You know, I wrote about this, I said,

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Speaker 2: Trevor story. They're very fortunate. You can pick apart Trevor's story.

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Speaker 2: And I know people will say, oh, look at you know,

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Speaker 2: don't have Trevor story, then you're really swimming upstream. And

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Speaker 2: because you have to figure out what you're doing at

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Speaker 2: figure out, actually, who's gonna be your middle of the

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot to figure out here.

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Speaker 2: But I think that again, having Trevor's story is a

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Speaker 2: good start. Congratulations Red Sox. But there's there's a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your what are your general thoughts right

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Speaker 1: now on just the whole Bregmann situation. I feel like,

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Speaker 1: at least just me personally, my own opinion, it just

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Speaker 1: But then I also just look at the market as well.

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Speaker 1: I just look at other teams out there. You know

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Speaker 1: what team out there would be willing to go the

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Speaker 1: distance for Alex Bregman. You had the quad injury this

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Speaker 1: bat and ball metrics. Yeah, still a little kind of

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Speaker 1: middle of the road for the most part. Great play, still,

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Speaker 1: great play, discipline overall. I just I just wonder if

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Speaker 1: a massive offer. I just feel like in the end

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to pick through with the bregmant thing.

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Speaker 2: And I think that number one, he is probably more

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Speaker 2: valuable to the Red Sox than any other team like

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Speaker 2: this is they they need him.

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Speaker 3: For a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now just because I'm saying that doesn't mean they're gonna

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Speaker 2: I think my guess is going to play a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a game of chicken like they did last

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Speaker 2: your market, Go find your market Detroit.

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Speaker 3: You want to play in Detroit, Go play in Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Go play in Kansas City, whatever it is, which is

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Speaker 2: obviously those parks aren't conducive to Alex Bregman. So the

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Speaker 2: free agency. Now, the caveat here is that, sure, you

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Speaker 2: had Detroit interested, maybe Houston interested before whatever.

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Speaker 3: But you're hearing other teams.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing Philadelphia, right, So if Philadelphia gets involved, then

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Speaker 2: they should be really worried. If the Dodgers gets involved,

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Speaker 2: of get involved, then you should be really worried. And

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Speaker 2: on top of it, we can say, well, he had

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Speaker 2: this year. Do you really think you're gonna get the

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Speaker 2: six year deal that you thought you're gonna get.

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Speaker 3: Hey, there is a direct correlation. There is a direct

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Speaker 3: comp here.

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Speaker 2: For a Scott Boris client, and that is Matt Chapman,

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Speaker 2: almost the exact same age, slightly different player, but still

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Speaker 2: he got his six year deal, so it's not like

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Speaker 2: it can't be done. Boris loves the fact that once

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Speaker 2: these qualifying offers gets taken away from these guys, he

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Speaker 3: He can actually get the guys the deal.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, my overall take on it is Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I do think the Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: Like they really really need this guy.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it was last year for Bregnant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny you bring up the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Royals. It kinda when I saw there was like

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Speaker 1: a little report. I don't know if you caught it,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just kind of got thrown out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know who reported it. But saying that

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Speaker 1: the Royals might be interested made me think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what is what is this market actually

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Speaker 1: I mean, man, that it feels pretty promising for me

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Speaker 1: because you know, the Royals aren't gonna I mean, they'll

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Speaker 1: go out and go get like a Seth Lugo. But

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Speaker 1: come on, Bregman for six years, one sixty, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the problem is, even if they're willing to

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Speaker 2: spend the money and give the years for Bregman, do

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Speaker 2: you want to play.

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Speaker 3: In the city. And I love Kansas City. I love it.

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Speaker 3: It's a great organization, great place. But the ballpark.

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Speaker 2: You know Andrew Bennett, he was a doubles hitter and

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Speaker 2: he thrived there because it was a doubles park. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Alex Bregman, as we found out, that's one thing the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox should have going for them.

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Speaker 3: He can hit the ball over the left field wall.

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Speaker 2: It's not that complicated. It's science. So it's the same

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Speaker 2: thing with Detroit. Like Detroit like I don't think that

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Speaker 2: that park is conducive to Alex Bregman's game, to putting

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Speaker 2: up big numbers. Hey, maybe he doesn't care because ultimately

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Speaker 2: you get to sign the deal, You're don't be there anyway.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but but I'll say it again, we're.

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Speaker 2: Focusing on Kansas City and Detroit and these teams. It's

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Speaker 2: not like these big market teams don't need third basement.

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing that sort of should scare the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox. And what should also scare the Red Sox

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Speaker 2: is what is the what is.

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Speaker 3: The pivot here?

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Speaker 2: You know Marcel Meyer, great, well, you might need Marcel

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Speaker 2: Meyer play second base. And also once I'll say it again,

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Speaker 2: you need middle of the order batsy. You gotta find

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Speaker 2: those guys too. So yeah, I'm starting this whole conversation

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Speaker 2: this offseason with a lot of negativity. I apologize, but

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Speaker 2: but we have to be realistic about this too though.

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Speaker 1: No, that's I mean, that's how I am. I mean

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Speaker 1: that really, I mean, you know, I think in the

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Speaker 1: end they'll figure it out. But I'm absolutely open to

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Speaker 1: the fact that, hey, you know, maybe you might have

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Speaker 1: to you know, go after you know, a couple other

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Speaker 1: ends up going elsewhere, maybe you gotta go, you know,

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Speaker 2: Mat It's funny because I wouldn't have a problem with

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Speaker 1: But the Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: I guess put it on the put it on the board.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just I always think it's probably one

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Speaker 3: And by the way, they shouldn't. It's it's like they shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: You. You position yourself very well with the young players

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Speaker 2: Like you It's still there. The American League is still

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Speaker 2: Now you add now you go, you don't draw back

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Speaker 3: It'd be really really tough sell.

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Speaker 2: I think if you drove back you worried about the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think my personal take on it, I think

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Speaker 2: Baschett positionally is a good fit. I like him, I

435
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: like his game, I like him as a person, you know,

436
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: I obviously you what he did in the World Series

437
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: only should amp up his value.

438
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Speaker 3: But you know, I can't get past the pe Alonzo thing.

439
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: So so I know that that maybe even.

440
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Speaker 2: In that front office, like listen, I mean, there were

441
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: people in that front office that didn't want.

442
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 3: Pregnant like that was you know that that was not wise.

443
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: But I'm sure that people can pick apart Pete Alonzo.

444
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: It's easier to do to honestly than it is Bregnant Defense,

445
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: so forth and so on.

446
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 3: But at the same time, there's some guys.

447
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: That just fit right for what you need. And Pete

448
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: Alonzo to me, is that guy. He's a right handed hitter,

449
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: he hits home runs. He plays literally every day.

450
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Speaker 3: He's a good guy in the clubhouse. He doesn't strike

451
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Speaker 3: out like as much as Suarez does. And again, I'll

452
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: say it again, he hits home.

453
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Speaker 2: Runs, so you need that and whether and hey, sure

454
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Speaker 2: if Kasas takes off, you know, eventually he is. After

455
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: that cryptic ig post, I.

456
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Speaker 1: Guess yeah, still trying to figure that out.

457
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it's all about.

458
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Speaker 1: Is that a movie quote that that's got to be

459
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Speaker 1: something from like a movie or something.

460
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Speaker 3: I think it's just a trusting cast, right.

461
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:11,199
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, good for him, man, Like if he

462
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: takes off, fine, it's not complicated, you know, like Pete

463
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: Alonzo can be a DH. Guess what players are dhs.

464
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: Good players are dhs. Mon Soda is gonna be a

465
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: DH and he's gonna be paid. You know, there's gonna

466
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Speaker 2: be other players. There's other players who are dhs. Show show,

467
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: I know, show it's a terrible example, but.

468
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Speaker 3: There's dhs who get paid.

469
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Speaker 2: So so I just think that for what this team needs,

470
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Speaker 2: I think that Pete Alonso is.

471
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Speaker 3: A good fit.

472
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: I just that's that's how I feel and as soon

473
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Speaker 2: as those words leave my mouth and drift off into

474
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Speaker 2: the world, they'll be smack right back saying he's this,

475
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: he's that, he's terrible, defensively, you're gonna overpay for him,

476
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: so forth and so on. All right, Well, I know,

477
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: is this Alex Bregnant checked off like nine boxes for

478
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: the Red Sox last year and Pete Alonzo checks off

479
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: a lot of them this this year round?

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I think to me, just logistically as well,

481
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Speaker 1: not just the fact that you know, yes, he hits

482
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Speaker 1: a lot of homers from the right side, but also

483
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Speaker 1: the fact that you know, yeah, I mean a lot

484
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: of people see him as a DH in the future.

485
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: But you know, if Cosas ends up coming back, then

486
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: you could still work those two guys into the mix.

487
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Speaker 1: You can make the argument on that, yeah, right, it

488
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Speaker 1: causes I mean, after the you know, the horrible injury

489
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Speaker 1: that he had, maybe that would end up being probably

490
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: a better landing spot for him when he comes back anyway,

491
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: or they just kind of switched back and forth. I

492
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Speaker 1: don't know, but that still works logistically. And also the

493
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Speaker 1: fact too, it's I think Pete Alonzo would be able

494
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Speaker 1: to handle Boston right the big market or yeah, being

495
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: in New York and there's no draft pick attached to him.

496
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Speaker 1: I think it just makes so much sense just logistically.

497
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Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber is an interesting one. I believe he does

498
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Speaker 1: have a draft pick attacks to him that you would

499
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: have to give up, you know a lot. Chris Catillelia,

500
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: he's he's very big, He's on the Shoreber train. He

501
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: he really wants to bring him in, and a lot

502
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: of people from Boston do. And you could definitely see that.

503
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Speaker 3: I knew.

504
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: But there's problems and the problem is enormous problem is

505
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: that if Kyle Schorber leaves Philadelphia, they're going to burn

506
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Speaker 2: the city down.

507
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

508
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Speaker 3: Uh.

509
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Speaker 1: And you know Dave when we all know Dave Dombrowski here,

510
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Speaker 1: I mean when he when he I feel like he's

511
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: very consistent with what he says. When he says someone's

512
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: a priority, I think he's gonna go make that guy

513
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: a priority.

514
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

515
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Speaker 2: I just I because I was on you know when

516
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: when Kora did the whole thing when they played in Philadelphia,

517
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Speaker 2: and he basically was saying, hey Kyle over here, we love.

518
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: You over here.

519
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: He didn't say that, but it was it was a

520
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: lot of good Kyle Schober talk, which we thought at

521
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: the time, Oh man, that's that's borderline recruiting. But then

522
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: he saw what the Cincinnati Reds did his hometown where

523
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: they actually had Kyle Schwarber's dad throw out the first

524
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Speaker 2: pitch and Schwarber caught it.

525
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: Philly people were pessed about that.

526
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: So it's like Beckett with his ex girlfriend.

527
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 3: Oh, like, don't get me going. I mean, like that

528
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: one of the greatest moment postseason history.

529
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Speaker 2: Yes, so, but you know, I'm I was all in

530
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 2: on Shorebert, like, and I would still be all in

531
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Speaker 2: on Shoreber.

532
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: That would be awesome.

533
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: Like that was a huge mistake by the Red Sox

534
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: by by low balling them, But talking to people in Philadelphia,

535
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: you just that's the that's the vibe. And then you

536
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: talk about what Dombrowski said, it is they cannot let

537
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: this guy go and that team is still a competitive

538
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: team with potentially losing some some key parts and real

539
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: Mudo and some of these other guys they cannot afford

540
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: to lose Kyle Schwarber.

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. And if you take that bat out

542
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: of that lineup, the next guy on the leaderboards to

543
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: them with the home runs was Bryce Harper at twenty

544
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: seven or twenty eight. So you're losing a ton of

545
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: power right there. So it's to me your lineup is

546
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: it's still okay, but you got to figure that out

547
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: now with the rotation, you know, that's the other big

548
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: one starting picture number two. Who is going to help

549
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: Garrett Crochet anchor this rotation? And I think you look

550
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: to the trade market. You got a lot of guys

551
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: that are in the mix fighting for a spot in

552
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: the rotation, bullpen, whatever it may be. Heck, even guys

553
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: fighting for spots like Triple A for crying out loud.

554
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of pictures here in the organization. You

555
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: got Peyton totally Connolly early that showed some good things

556
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: this past year. You still got Hunter Dobbins, Richard Fitz

557
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: in the mix. They're probably going to be healthy for

558
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: next year. I would imagine Kyle Harrison, you got him

559
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: back in the raffie trade, Pablo Sandoval, Plo Patrick maybe

560
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Patrick Sandoval and Carter Crawford. You know they're gonna be

561
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: read for twenty twenty six. A lot of guys, I

562
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: think the trade market is the way to go. Or

563
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: are you kind of in that boat as.

564
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, man, I'm still on the Joe Ryan train.

565
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: And because I think that, you know, we desperately try

566
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: to find what lessons we can learn from the postseasons

567
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: time every year, and I think the biggest thing is that,

568
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: you know, starting pitching. I love the fact that really

569
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: they didn't have any bullpen games. I mean, yeah, okay,

570
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 2: you're Tody at the end, but really they didn't have

571
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: any bullpen games. And that was the lesson that hey,

572
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: Matt's Hey Milwaukee. It's really really hard to do. So

573
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: what you try to do is get as many as

574
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: much certainty as you can and your starting rotation. You

575
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: get the guys who you feel like are going to

576
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: be able to pitch in big games in the postseason.

577
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: Look at listen, Toronto at the trade deadline got Shane Bieber.

578
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: And when they got Shane Bieber, people are like, oh,

579
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: you have six starters. What are you doing? Well, they

580
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: needed every.

581
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 3: Last one of them. Yeah, because this is how it works.

582
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, Conley, ear Peyton, Toley, Counter Crawford, you know, Sandoval,

583
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: like all of these guys go down the list, all

584
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: of them. They might pop, sure, but what you have

585
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: to have is that you have to have some semblance

586
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: of certainty. I think after Crochet now is that Brian Beao.

587
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I don't know, like I wouldn't

588
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: for me if if you want to put Brian Beao

589
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: in a trade, I don't. I have no problem with that, Like,

590
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: as long as you're getting back another an upgrade from

591
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: a starting pitching perspective. And also, you know, we talk

592
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: about veteran guys, there's other veteran guys. There's the top

593
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: tier guys, there's the we think they might be this guys,

594
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: and then there's the you know, for a lot.

595
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: I'm throwing out of the name Chris Bassett, right, Chris.

596
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: Bassett, a guy like Cora loves then, Like, sure, go

597
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: get him because he can be sort of what Max

598
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: sures or what the blue Jays this year.

599
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah good innings too. I mean I would not mind

600
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: someone like Chris Bassett at all. I was I jumped

601
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: onto the Bieber train this offseason.

602
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was crazy. That was crazy.

603
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: That was like it was, and we talk about social

604
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: media like it, and so I put up something where

605
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: they said, hey, Shane Bieber was the only like the

606
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: Boston was the only place Shane Bieber visited last off season.

607
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: It came down to the guardians in the Red Sox,

608
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: and they really really liked Shane Bieber. And when Shane

609
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: Bieber becomes a free agent, they're really really gonna like

610
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: Shane Bieber and he potentially could be that veteran guy

611
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: that you're looking for. And he proved himself in the postseason. Yeah,

612
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, late

613
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: at night, they're like, oh, no, Shane Bieber has opted in,

614
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: and every.

615
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: Like, oh, what are you talking about? You don't know

616
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: what you talked about?

617
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: Like, well, tell me somebody who thought Shane Bieber was

618
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: going to opt into that contract.

619
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: Every free agent list alive had Shane Bieber on it.

620
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, because he ultimately between the buyout

621
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: and the sixteen million dollars, he's getting twelve million dollars.

622
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: He probably could have gotten like a five year deal. Yeah.

623
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: So anyway, Yeah, I thought i'd interrupt you by that.

624
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's very interesting. I wonder if they end

625
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: up maybe working out some kind of a new thing.

626
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I found that very interesting, but I

627
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I was thinking they were going to make

628
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: a good run.

629
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: At him, so yeah, I mean he made sense.

630
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: Like I said, I know, the front office really really

631
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: liked him, you know, as was evident last year, last offseason,

632
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: and he did nothing to dissuade the interest.

633
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: I mean he was, he was good. He was. I mean,

634
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: he made what I thought. I always Robby.

635
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: I was always trying to like identify guys in the

636
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: postseason who make themselves money off of up two or

637
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: three weeks. Bieber was at the top of that. I

638
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: thought he made himself some money, but you know, he

639
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: stayed yeah to me. You know, I don't know, maybe

640
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: it was like a sort of a comfort thing.

641
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Maybe you do. I don't know, who knows, who knows,

642
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Ryan's an interesting one. I definitely think

643
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: they set up well the way I'm starting to I've

644
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: definitely had the reputation of being a mock trade guy.

645
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: And one thing that I'm kind of looking at when

646
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to come up with these mock trades that

647
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: are never going to happen, is what does the other

648
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: team want? What are their tendencies? And I think the

649
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: Red Sox do set up pretty well the Twins when

650
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Speaker 1: it comes to their pictures over the last couple of years,

651
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Speaker 1: last few years, they throw a lot of change ups.

652
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Speaker 1: I actually don't throw a whole lot of fastballs over

653
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Speaker 1: there in Minnesota, and you got guys like Connolly Early.

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Speaker 1: He's got a really nice change up there, and he's

655
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Speaker 1: got some good off speed, you know, breaking stuff as well.

656
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Speaker 1: So I think you could use someone like him in

657
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Speaker 1: a trade, send back a package. But then I worry

658
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Speaker 1: about the Mets, you know, I worry about the fact,

659
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Speaker 1: you know, for Crochet last year, Sure other teams were involved,

660
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Speaker 1: but I think the Red Sox just were heading shoulders

661
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Speaker 1: above what they could have offered over other teams. I'm

662
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Speaker 1: worried this year now when it comes to a team

663
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Speaker 1: like the Mets. I know Schoobl's been the big name

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Speaker 1: for the Mets, but I kind of just wonder. You know,

665
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Speaker 1: they got these three pitchers, you know, three young guys,

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Speaker 1: Jonah Thong, Brandon Sprote, Nolan MacLean, David Stearns. The way

667
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Speaker 1: the way he likes to operate. Is he gonna go

668
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Speaker 1: after a one year rental or would you rather go

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Speaker 1: after a guy with a bit more control? Are you

670
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Speaker 1: at all worried about maybe some other teams that could

671
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Speaker 1: land Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think that when you get to the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline and the Red Sox you know, offered the

675
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Speaker 2: moon and the stars whatever it totally and and these

676
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: other guys, you know, whether or not you believe them,

677
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Speaker 2: that it was too late, too little, too late, whatever

678
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Speaker 2: it was, but what it did for the Twins, I

679
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Speaker 2: mean they weren't competing against the Cubs.

680
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: Now they have to compete against these other teams.

681
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Speaker 2: And also the Twins and idea of where where things

682
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Speaker 2: were landing in terms of what they were willing to

683
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Speaker 2: give up. I think that the difference in Crochet the

684
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Speaker 2: Crochet deal is that I don't think the Red Sox offer,

685
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Speaker 2: to be perfectly honestly, probably is going to be as

686
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Speaker 2: strong as Crochet, and it needs to be. Yeah, I

687
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: mean it's the same amount of years, same deal, but

688
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: you know, you're thin yourself out a little bit too much.

689
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: Now does should they? Should they sell hot?

690
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Speaker 2: I think they they potentially are selling high on Conley Early.

691
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Speaker 2: And I know that's an unpopular opinion, but I think

692
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Speaker 2: that that's a very very real scenario. Not to say

693
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Speaker 2: Conley Early isn't going to be a really good major

694
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Speaker 2: league pitcher. I think will yeah, right, But to think

695
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Speaker 2: that he's just gonna be to say, oh, go ahead,

696
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: you can be a number two starter, that's a mistake.

697
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Speaker 2: I would say the same thing about Trey you Savage

698
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Speaker 2: in Toronto. It's like, you gotta be careful about the

699
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Speaker 2: euphoria of a short spur. I mean adjustments, it's a

700
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Speaker 2: different year, whatever. But but I wouldn't for the Red Sox. Yeah,

701
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's gonna be a lot of competition.

702
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: And obviously the other one is schoolble, Like, how do

703
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: you want to a pro Schooble. The difference is Schooble

704
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Speaker 2: is one year. Ryan is two years, and and honestly,

705
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: like I know that school everyone wants school.

706
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Speaker 3: But you have to understand there is zero chance if.

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Speaker 2: You trade for to reak Schoolble, that he's gonna sign

708
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Speaker 2: with you, like at least at least in that window

709
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: that you have him. It's one Soto all over again,

710
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: same agent, same scenario. Enjoy your year, that's fine, But

711
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Speaker 2: with Joe Ryan it's a little bit different. I think

712
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: there's a very real chance not only do you get

713
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Speaker 2: the two years, but you're able to do with a

714
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Speaker 2: Garrett Crochet did in terms of extension.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very, very curious to see what happens with

716
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Speaker 1: school Boy. I heard we got a we gotta report

717
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: here today. Maybe the Mariners could show some interest. Well,

718
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, they got a lot of

719
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: prospects over there. Maybe they could actually get something done.

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Speaker 1: I think you went to college there in Seattle. We'll

721
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Speaker 1: see a couple other names as well. Before you start

722
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Speaker 1: to wrap things up here. We got a guy maybe

723
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Speaker 1: like Hunter Green that could be available in Cincinnati.

724
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Speaker 2: No, Harry frank Conor was just on our podcast. He

725
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Speaker 2: basically said that's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Ah No, well, all right, I forget. Well, Hey, I

727
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: love Terry frank con I'm not gonna argue that guy.

728
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Speaker 1: I believe, I believe he probably he probably beat me up,

729
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: honestly if I if I argue so, but well, okay,

730
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Speaker 1: if not him, I was gonna say, maybe you could

731
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Speaker 1: match up with some bats, maybe Jared Durant or will

732
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Speaker 1: your braive that they could use another bat? Well, if

733
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Speaker 1: that's off the table, I wonder about Mackenzie Gore. You

734
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Speaker 1: got Paul Timanni out there in Washington, now, I mean

735
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: that guy knows the Red Sox system very well. Maybe

736
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: you could come together on some kind of a trade there,

737
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Speaker 1: you know, could you see the Red Sox maybe getting

738
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Speaker 1: creative in those aspects.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I absolutely, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 2: gore you to your point. Sometimes there's a familiarity.

741
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Speaker 3: Uh you know, the familiar already can go two different ways.

742
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Speaker 2: Number one, it's you can't get over on a team

743
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: because that team if they think the same way that

744
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: you do, because that team's valuing the guys the same way.

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00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: I know. In other words, like that you're you know, Paul.

746
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Speaker 2: Deaboni knows the Red Sox system, as you point out,

747
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: so it's not like they can they all.

748
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Speaker 3: Get to trust us. This guy's really good, and Paul.

749
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Speaker 2: De Boni's like, no, no, he beat up his roommate

750
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Speaker 2: in minor leagues. I know that he is not good.

751
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: So I think that that's the dangerous thing. But at

752
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: the same time, sometimes you just like like dealing with guys.

753
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Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, the Bieber trade. The Bieber trade,

754
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: Like I think that Toronto made the trade with Cleveland

755
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: for the beat for Bieber in large part because they

756
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: have a great relationship. Everybody from Cleveland went over to

757
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: like they're basically families those two front offices. So I

758
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: so this is my way of saying, McKenzie Gore. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I think that that fascinates me. He's a really really

760
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Speaker 2: good picture. He would absolutely be the type of guy

761
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Speaker 2: that you would want. Yeah, so I like that name,

762
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: and I like it. It's spicy, it's good. Let's keep

763
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Speaker 2: talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think him going there is interesting. Running the

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Speaker 1: front office there. I just wonder what way they're going

766
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: to go. I mean, they do need to have some

767
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: kind of a reset. I would imagine Gore would be

768
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Speaker 1: at the very least they will pick up the phone

769
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Speaker 1: and listen. I kind of I also just wonder too,

770
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Speaker 1: because when Craig Breslo came over the Red Sox, everyone

771
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping we would oh man, new guy,

772
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: fresh star, let's go get this guy. This guy ended

773
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: up me and Lucas Giolito. So I kind of wonder

774
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Speaker 1: if they maybe take that same approach where they kind

775
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: of hit the pause button a little bit, say okay,

776
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: and we need to kind of look at everything here

777
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: before you know, we make any any big judgments, and

778
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: actually ask that one last question here. Obviously, you have

779
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: a great relationship with Luca's Giolito. Uh, he's been on

780
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: the Baseball Isn't Boring podcast? It feels like a million

781
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: times at this point. What are your feelings there? You know,

782
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: how are you feeling about the gee Alito situation? Obviously

783
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: there was the opt out there this past week. You know,

784
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: where where are you feeling there? Could you see him

785
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: coming back or do you feel like he's you know,

786
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: could be on the move.

787
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Speaker 3: Can we can I answer this question on Friday morning?

788
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: Oh? Coming on?

789
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's coming on Thursday night.

790
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Speaker 1: Perfect, We're gonna find out where he's signing. Great.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's it's you know, it's the all

792
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: the it's the it's the qualifying golfer, right, you know,

793
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: it's like, we're gonna find this out, and it's it's

794
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: a really really fascinating thing. It's it's funny because I

795
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Speaker 2: thought that, you know, this is no knowledge of Luke

796
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: his mindset at all. Like I know that that both

797
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: sides are declining that mutual option, so which doesn't surprise,

798
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Speaker 2: But I don't think that that's preemp that prevents them

799
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Speaker 2: from extending a qualifying offer. And so if they do

800
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Speaker 2: extend the qualifying offer, you think, oh, maybe he'll take it.

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Speaker 3: It's good money, it's one year, but then you have the.

802
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: Lockout situation right after it, so I know that players

803
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: are really wary about doing something like that heading into

804
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Speaker 2: the lockout. So you know, it's unfortunately for Lucas, I

805
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: think that that little blip, that physical blip.

806
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end, that didn't do him any favors.

807
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: Now they'll do physicals and he'll prove himself and everything else.

808
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 2: But still I think that I could see Lucas Jeelo

809
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: coming back. But I think there's other candidates along those lines.

810
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: And we mentioned like Chris Bassett or someone like that,

811
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Speaker 2: the veteran guy who is sort of being plopped in

812
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: the three year of the four or the five that

813
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Speaker 2: can get.

814
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Speaker 3: The job done.

815
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think that he falls under

816
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: sort of that kind of kind of like honestly with Pavetta.

817
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, well, if Paveta take the qualifying offer,

818
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: then great, If not, we're gonna pivot to something else.

819
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Speaker 3: You know. It's like so another one.

820
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: That's my way of saying, sure, he's in the mix,

821
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: but I think he's just in the mix.

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Speaker 1: We'll see. Well, I'm definitely looking forward to that episode.

823
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I always like to listening to what Lucas said.

824
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about talk about secession, I'm sure

825
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: for an hour and get a little baseball talking.

826
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: To just a little. It's funny with the baseball guys,

827
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: you know that they like talking about all these other things.

828
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: Actually, like so I listen. I mean, my perfect example

829
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: that is Mookie Betts. Yeah, Moki will talk about whatever

830
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: forever as long as it's not baseball.

831
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Speaker 3: So yeah, for life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Moki will rather bowling with you for probably

833
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Speaker 1: five yeah.

834
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so.

835
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Speaker 1: But Rob, let everyone else know, let everyone else at

836
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Speaker 1: home know where can they find you? Obviously the baseball

837
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: isn't boring podcast? But what else he got going on

838
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: this off season?

839
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got a lot off season. I guess you

840
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: know what I'm gonna do.

841
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: See this hat that I'm wearing. If you want a hat,

842
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: a great hat. If you want a hat like this, uh, email.

843
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: Me b I B.

844
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Speaker 2: Bradfo at gmail dot com and uh and I'll.

845
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Speaker 3: Show you the way to get the hat. Beanie podcast.

846
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: I can say all these other things, but it's just like,

847
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: let's push some hats, let's go.

848
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: I like it. I like a good I say, that's

849
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: actually a good looking hat. Did you got any beanies

850
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: by any chance?

851
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Speaker 3: Yes?

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00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: Yes, Actually there's supposed to be we do where it's

853
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: supposed to be. They're supposed to be delivered very shortly.

854
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're we're easing into that world. It started

855
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: with a tattoo and then and now it's gonna end

856
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: up with beanie.

857
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 3: So yes, so I'll let you know.

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00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: I'll let you know absolutely, I got two different personas.

859
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: It's during the season I wore a hat and then

860
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: off season it's it gets chili. So I were the

861
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: beanie so perfect personal channel. They they love when the when,

862
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: the when you switch over to beanie mode.

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Speaker 2: So you look good at a beanie man like that,

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Speaker 2: you're top five Beanie wears like I would also said.

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Speaker 2: I said to our good friends at Primo who make

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Speaker 2: the beanies, I said, listen, I am going to put

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Speaker 2: this on Michael Kopek's head and it will be awesome

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Speaker 2: because because it's like you have the.

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Speaker 3: Blonde hair and the beard and everything else. He is

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Speaker 3: the perfect beanie model.

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Speaker 2: He's already agreed to where the baseball isn't boring Beanie.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna get you.

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Speaker 1: He's a handsome fella. Absolutely well. I would love to

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Speaker 1: advertise the baseball isn't boring, Beanie.

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Speaker 3: If that is better done, it done.

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Speaker 1: But Rob, thank you so much for coming on. It's

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Speaker 1: always great having you on, always a pleasure. But everyone

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