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Speaker 1: At sixteen the Cardinals. Yeah, they are in the sweet spot.

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Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me.

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Speaker 1: The two of us are in Indianapolis, day two of

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Speaker 1: our coverage. Day one here on Cardinals Cover two of

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five scouting Combine. A year ago, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals had a top five pick. This year, it's sixteen,

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Speaker 1: which is a good thing. NFL Networks. Daniel Jeremiah explains

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Speaker 1: it's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight fifty two, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Buda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He said a ten half of five.

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Speaker 1: He's it again some more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Grailer.

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Speaker 1: So a busy first two days for the person to

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Speaker 1: But Danny, you're the one that really has been busy

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Speaker 1: since the day we landed here on Monday.

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Speaker 4: Give yourself some credit. Craig, you've been doing just as

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Speaker 4: many Cover two podcast interviews as I have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you've got the one on ones with the

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Speaker 1: big hitters Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been busy, you know what. It's fun though.

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Speaker 4: This is what everybody does when they come to Indianapolis

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Speaker 4: for the Combine. The days are long, however, it's very

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Speaker 4: fun because you actually have true football to talk about

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks. Everybody from the around the league and

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Speaker 4: podcasts and get some analysis that you don't always have

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Speaker 4: very busy, very jam pack. You're right, I had a

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Speaker 4: chance to sit down with head coach Jonathan Gannon general

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Speaker 4: on Azycardinals dot Com, doing some podcasts and having a

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Speaker 1: Will hear from one of those voices that we had

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Speaker 1: a chance to speak with, and that would be Daniel Jeremiah,

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Speaker 1: NFL Network Draft analyst, one of the pre eminent voices

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the draft. But you mentioned in

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Speaker 1: the long days, it also means shorter nights as well,

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Speaker 1: it becomes a big networking event going into what happens

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Speaker 1: two weeks from as we speak here on February twenty six,

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Speaker 1: the startup free agency when you can put pen to paper,

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Speaker 1: it's the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 4: Off season is fully underway. So this is an important

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Speaker 3: Spot could be.

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Speaker 1: Good chance to hear from people outside. Sometimes I think, Danny,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote outside voices is Daniel Jeremiah, who remember Danny

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Speaker 1: All Right, so let's hear from the man himself, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah first about the Cardinals this past season, specifically the

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was a game that the Cardinals physically,

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Speaker 4: Cardinals doubled their win total from four to eight last

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Speaker 5: Well, I still, well, I still don't think that the

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Speaker 1: A year ago, when we spoke with you Cardinals with

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Speaker 5: There's a grade that's like a Pro Bowl player grade.

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Speaker 5: So you know that what you're saying, there's a high

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Speaker 5: In last year's draft, I think there was maybe eighteen

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Speaker 5: So I don't think this is a year you want

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Speaker 5: But you are in a deep defensive draft, especially along

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Speaker 5: Yeah, defensive tackles as deep as I can ever remember.

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Speaker 3: I don't ever remember seeing a group this deep.

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Speaker 1: Are there the defensive tackles that you have, the twenty

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, all different flavors, but I would say there's

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Speaker 5: I mean, we have so many three hundred and ten,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And that's and it's the waves of those guys

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Speaker 5: I don't think that there's the premier guys, which is

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Speaker 1: Quarterback always takes the headlines when we're here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be challenging. I am like a lot of

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Speaker 5: I don't see him elevating up to that level of

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Speaker 1: Up Philadelphia and what they showed the rest of the league,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it is. It's a meat and potatoes draft.

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Speaker 5: It's a draft where you're finding starters, not stars, and

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Speaker 3: And I think we have those guys.

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Speaker 4: This time last year, we talked to you about wide

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Speaker 5: I think there's also time for a staff and even

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Speaker 5: And I think when Harrison's on the move, he's excellent.

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Speaker 5: at and that and that department, and let's keep working

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for what's ahead? Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

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Speaker 5: You know what I try to I try to brush

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Speaker 5: H I stopped kind of paying attention to popular television

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Speaker 5: like Game of Thrones North He's got me. I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be swimming in that stuff. So pepperm with

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Speaker 3: San Diego Padres stuff. Oh ye, yeah, well the Yankees,

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Speaker 3: I think the Fifth Inning. I probably mentioned that a

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Speaker 1: Dan, You always appreciate the time, great insight, and enjoy

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Speaker 1: this week.

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Speaker 3: I always enjoy the conversation. We'll see it this see

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Speaker 3: you guys soon.

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Speaker 1: Always good to catch up with Daniel and berg Gang.

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Speaker 1: You will be seeing a lot of Daniel beginning on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: The NFL Networks coverage of the twenty twenty five scouting

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Speaker 4: Of you, and you're not really pressed about it, whereas

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Speaker 1: It's the front seven defensively, and interesting when we brought

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Speaker 1: So would not be a surprise based off how deep

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Speaker 4: It's just going to feel pretty different. Of picking at sixteen,

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a lot different now. I think

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Speaker 1: I would think, because it was a lot of work

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Speaker 1: if you believe what Daniel said as far as how

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Speaker 1: defensive tackles, twenty four potential starters, not all first round talent,

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Speaker 1: but someone that you could maybe get on day two.

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Speaker 1: Certainly would not surprise me if all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: we see defense the focus and Nick Rali says, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's go money.

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Speaker 4: And Our discussions are going to continue to evolve over

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Speaker 4: the next handful of weeks because free agency will happen

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Speaker 4: before the draft. Something awesome for it talked about at

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Speaker 4: play a game based on the players they have retained

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Speaker 4: and who they have acquired in free agency. He was saying,

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Speaker 4: you absolutely have to draft this position in order to

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Speaker 4: feel like you could play a game, because you want

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Speaker 4: to make sure that you're drafting for the need and

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Speaker 4: with the skill set of the player, and that it

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Speaker 4: would be a right fit. You don't want to feel

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Speaker 4: pressure to do anything that might not be best for

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Speaker 4: the team. So the moves that are made in free agency,

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Speaker 4: resigning some of your own players, looking outside and seeing

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Speaker 4: not necessarily saying, if the Cardinals were to resign one

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Speaker 4: an offensive lineman. But I do think it can. You

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Speaker 1: Unless, of course, there's a surprise, and there's always a

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Speaker 1: more quarterbacks selected and all of a sudden, Hey can't

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Speaker 1: we have Marvin Harrison junior, we have Michael Woolson, we

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Speaker 1: like Max Melton, who knows about Elijah Jones and his Well,

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Speaker 1: if Darius Robinson is one point five, what do we

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Speaker 1: call Elijah who was on the practice field for a

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Speaker 1: limited time but we never saw on Sunday's here.

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Speaker 4: One Still it's yeah, we'd have to red shirt shirt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd have to ask JG how you would describe

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Speaker 1: Elijah's first season when he really didn't have.

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Speaker 3: A first season.

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Speaker 4: I would go red shirt.

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Speaker 3: Red shirt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, it happened before DJ Humphreys was a red

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Speaker 1: shirt and then we saw what he was able to

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Speaker 1: do with the Arizona Cardinals. So all right, that's one interview, Danny, are.

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Speaker 4: You ready one of a whole lot?

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Speaker 3: You survived so far?

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Speaker 1: Day two, Day one here on Cardinals cover two. Again,

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Speaker 1: appreciate Daniel Jeremiah for joining us, and again, the NFL

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Speaker 1: Networks coverage of the combine begins on Thursday, and on

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Speaker 1: that note, we'll put a lid on this edition of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim A. Mahndre,

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Speaker 1: our associate producer Cuddy Fincher for Danny Serek, I'm Craig

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Speaker 1: Real Lou. We'll talk to you next time here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two.