Speaker 1: In the industry.
Speaker 2: Is there a stigma about doing Hallmark Christmas movies?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: When I watch one that I like, it's got log cabin,
Speaker 2: it has to have the small town. I don't want
Speaker 2: anything magical. I don't want a prince of a fake country.
Speaker 2: I fucking hate that immediately. Am I mad at this?
Speaker 2: I'll watch it still? Kashha, Cosha Show, Cash Show, c Show.
Speaker 2: Welcome to toash so sixteenth Annual Christmas Special. We are
Speaker 2: extremely excited today because we have former celebrity Tim Allen
Speaker 2: with us. Santa's here, Sannah, I don't want anything for
Speaker 2: Christmas this year. You've been very kind to me. You've
Speaker 2: been very generous. I have everything I could ever want.
Speaker 2: The only thing I'm curious about is who's on your list?
Speaker 4: Oh Daniel, that information is top secret?
Speaker 2: Or Ashton Kutcher and me lacunis on your naughty list
Speaker 2: for writing a letter to have a judge go easy
Speaker 2: on their scientologist rapist friend? What about Elon Musk Do
Speaker 2: people with Asperger's get a pass? Is Jim Harbar on
Speaker 2: your naughty list for sign stealing? And would he be
Speaker 2: able to get off the list if you were to
Speaker 2: beat Nick Saban in the Who's a Bigger Liar Asshole
Speaker 2: Bowl sponsored by Couldn't cut It in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Be honest? In week three? You thought the Colorado hype
Speaker 1: was real?
Speaker 3: Didn't you?
Speaker 2: Were you all in on primetime? Or were idiots for
Speaker 2: getting excited? And can elves make toes in Santa's Workshop?
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey naught your nice?
Speaker 1: The name chiefs? Where are you at on that?
Speaker 3: Also? You look like Andy Reid? Wait a minute, is expelled?
Speaker 2: Congressman George Santo's on your naughty list for using campaign
Speaker 2: funds on OnlyFans or for wearing too many layers? Oh,
Speaker 2: he's got a button up, a sweater and a blazer.
Speaker 2: What about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. He must be
Speaker 2: a really good guy since he's always accepting so many gifts.
Speaker 2: What's Hunter Biden's deal? Naked selfie's a handgun? Cocaine in
Speaker 2: the White House? Does being fun put you on the
Speaker 2: naughty list? I know neither actually celebrate Christmas? But Israel Palestine?
Speaker 2: Who's naughty?
Speaker 3: Who's nice?
Speaker 2: Be careful how you respond? Remember you're being recorded. What's
Speaker 2: on Ukraine's wish list?
Speaker 1: More? Aid from the US.
Speaker 2: When you're flying your sleigh over North America, if you
Speaker 2: happen to see a Chinese spy balloon, what's the move?
Speaker 2: You seem like a Second Amendment guy? Could you take care.
Speaker 3: Of this for US?
Speaker 2: Can I trade every gift you would ever give my
Speaker 2: two kids for the Miami Dolphins winning the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: this year?
Speaker 1: Do you believe in ghosts?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I knew it all right, Santa. You'll appreciate that.
Speaker 2: My guest today, I spent years spreading Christmas here to
Speaker 2: every household in America with Basic cable, and since starring
Speaker 2: in a Hallmark Christmas movie automatically makes you not a celebrity,
Speaker 2: I am not breaking the show's rich, long standing tradition.
Speaker 1: Enjoy Pasha.
Speaker 2: Now, I said I wouldn't have celebrities on my show,
Speaker 2: but I'm making an exception for today's guest because he
Speaker 2: starred in sixteen of my favorite Hallmark Christmas flicks.
Speaker 3: Please welcome Luke McFarlane. Luke, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: having me.
Speaker 4: When I was asked to do this, I was like,
Speaker 4: is he really a fan of Hallmark Christmas movies? And
Speaker 4: I got you know word that you are, in fact
Speaker 4: a watcher of Hallmark Christmas movies.
Speaker 2: If I was honest about how much I love them,
Speaker 2: everyone would assume I'm doing a bit.
Speaker 3: I would freak them out. Yeah, well, I don't even.
Speaker 2: Care if it'd freak them out, but they wouldn't take
Speaker 2: me seriously. And I almost need you to know that
Speaker 2: I'm being honest or it's kind of meaningless. But yes,
Speaker 2: I've loved Hallmark movies way way before it was ever
Speaker 2: fun to watch them and laugh at some of the
Speaker 2: silliness of it, like and for some reason, my mom
Speaker 2: she also loves them, and that's more on brand for
Speaker 2: what they were doing. But my mom and we watched
Speaker 2: them separately, and then we both found out that we
Speaker 2: loved them, and now it's a thing. And my wife
Speaker 2: when she watches them now with me, and you know,
Speaker 2: she's a hip, cool comedy writer, so at first she
Speaker 2: was just kind of mocking.
Speaker 1: But then you get past that part of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's not an unfamiliar story the one
Speaker 4: you've described, and I kind of I've been doing it
Speaker 4: for so long that I kind of saw that change too,
Speaker 4: when they kind of came into the zeitgeist, you know,
Speaker 4: with the drinking games and the whole thing. But when
Speaker 4: I first started doing them, it wasn't really on people's radars.
Speaker 4: So it's it's been interesting to watch evolution and also
Speaker 4: Hallmark kind of change as well. Like they are also
Speaker 4: trying to redefine themselves in the space, and they don't
Speaker 4: want to be a joke and and they also want
Speaker 4: to be popular, and they want to be accepting and
Speaker 4: they want to be inclusive, so they're kind of going
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 3: So it's strange in this town to do anything as
Speaker 3: long as I've done Hallmark on films.
Speaker 4: You know, and just watch watch everything change around it.
Speaker 4: Just the people that watch them and the way they
Speaker 4: make them and how to make a movie in fourteen days,
Speaker 4: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's how long it takes them to make them.
Speaker 4: Generally speaking, I've done some that are a little longer.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: A snow budget. This is a big part of the
Speaker 4: Hallmark movies. This is how much money they're gonna spend
Speaker 4: on snow. So if there's a bigger budget, you might
Speaker 4: get sixteen.
Speaker 1: Here's what I like about them.
Speaker 2: Here's what when I watch one that I like, it's
Speaker 2: got log cabin. It has to have the small town.
Speaker 2: I don't want anything magical. I don't want a prince
Speaker 2: of a fake country. I fucking hate that immediately. Am
Speaker 2: I mad at this? I'll watch it still. I also
Speaker 2: think it's great that the woman always will choose the
Speaker 2: small town over her great career at the end. I
Speaker 2: always like her like, oh, I can have it both ways,
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, you can't just one. I wanted
Speaker 2: to fucking stay, but anyway.
Speaker 3: It's either me a Christmas.
Speaker 2: I don't like faith based. That gets me angry. They
Speaker 2: do those sometimes and whatever that one uh group that
Speaker 2: they have when.
Speaker 3: Calls the Heart, I get parties. Fuck, I get mad
Speaker 3: at those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's who, first of all, who comes up with
Speaker 2: the title when calls the Heart?
Speaker 1: Those are just words put together.
Speaker 4: It's a complicated title. They're famous for complicated titles. I
Speaker 4: did sense and sensibility and snowmen.
Speaker 1: Well that's at least cute.
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: No, I don't care. It has the word snowman. And
Speaker 1: I'm happy there wasn't like snow end wasn't even really a.
Speaker 3: Part of it.
Speaker 1: Are you guys competitive with each other?
Speaker 3: Kind of? Like the more I do it like it's like,
Speaker 3: what Times Hunt did you get?
Speaker 2: I mean Times are the only premiere on Sunday, just
Speaker 2: two of them back to back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's leading up to Christmas. It's sort of oh,
Speaker 4: you are out. Like the one that comes right after
Speaker 4: Halloween kind of feels.
Speaker 2: Like guess when I start watching right after Halloween. Right
Speaker 2: after Halloween, that's when I accept it.
Speaker 4: Little early for a lot of viewers. I think they're
Speaker 4: still kind of shaking.
Speaker 1: Weak of Christmas.
Speaker 4: I'm not watching them anymore, right, So the prime spot
Speaker 4: is Thanksgiving? Uh huh, yeah, the families together. They gotta
Speaker 4: find something everybody can watch.
Speaker 2: So they shoot them all in the summer. They shoot
Speaker 2: most of them in Canada, a lot of them.
Speaker 3: I have done one in Utah, which was lovely. Actually,
Speaker 3: it was lovely to shoot.
Speaker 2: Sure you das pretty, but very very better, but you
Speaker 2: have to wrap your head around the people.
Speaker 3: Well, no, they were actually wonderful.
Speaker 2: We have no we had great I love Mormons, but
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by them.
Speaker 1: It is because it's insanity.
Speaker 2: How many Netflix short documentaries do you have to watch
Speaker 2: where you're like, no.
Speaker 3: Or scripted series?
Speaker 4: Do you know what's really impressive was the background is
Speaker 4: always a big part of these movies, and people were like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm in a movie. I'm in a movie. They
Speaker 3: were like silent and so obedient. Yeah, that's right. What's
Speaker 3: the word obedience? What's what's the thing? What's the term
Speaker 3: from that one movie? Keeps Sweet? Keeps sweet? That's what
Speaker 3: they always said. But anyway, are you from mom? No?
Speaker 2: Okay, no, But I mean I did grow up Christian,
Speaker 2: like really strong.
Speaker 1: I had a dad that was a pastor.
Speaker 2: I was born in Germany because army, no missionaries, because
Speaker 2: they hadn't heard of the Bible over there in Germany, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand why my parents, who didn't speak German,
Speaker 2: felt the need.
Speaker 3: To go over to Germany saving souls. Right Yeah? Have
Speaker 3: you ever experienced a Christmas miracle? Nope?
Speaker 2: This is the first question I asked all my guests.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in ghosts? Nor your parents? Were they
Speaker 2: supportive of your career wanting to do this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean we we don't come from an acting family
Speaker 4: at all. My dad was a doctor and my mom
Speaker 4: was a nurse, and music was a big part of
Speaker 4: our lives. I played the cello, still do play the cello.
Speaker 4: So like lessons and understood performance and the discipline around
Speaker 4: the arts. My older sister was a wonderful violinist and
Speaker 4: she wanted to the violin at Juilliard. And I remember
Speaker 4: when she, you know, got the Prospective's book that mailed
Speaker 4: it to our house and I saw that they also
Speaker 4: had acting, and I was like, I think I.
Speaker 3: Could do that.
Speaker 1: You're very like you were an over you're an overachieving family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're good looking and you're overachieving. You play instruments,
Speaker 2: multiple instruments, probably I'm assuming.
Speaker 4: Yeah badly, but cello is the primary instrument. But my
Speaker 4: family also just kind of let us do whatever we
Speaker 4: want to. They really like. That wasn't the focus. It
Speaker 4: was like, be good, be kind, take care of people.
Speaker 4: That's all I want for my kids. They were good.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be nice. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: care if you ever achieve anything in life.
Speaker 4: I don't want to pay for my daughter. You don't
Speaker 4: want to pay for like when she's old, though, why
Speaker 4: I want her to have a life. She can really
Speaker 4: want it all the way through.
Speaker 3: It's till death, my death. You're just gonna pay.
Speaker 1: For everything, everything as long as you're just.
Speaker 3: You're rich in my life. Okay, maybe I don't want
Speaker 3: to sweep.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, And to answer your quite yes rich, how
Speaker 2: much does Juilliard cost?
Speaker 3: I was lucky enough to get a scholarship. Most people
Speaker 3: there get a scholarship. Do you want your daughter to
Speaker 3: go to Juilliard too? I want her to do whatever
Speaker 3: she wants to do. You want her to play the cello?
Speaker 4: I would be into that. I'm gonna try the piano
Speaker 4: to a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of course, you do a little bit. Got to learn
Speaker 3: to play the piano.
Speaker 4: Do you have a piano in the house. No, do
Speaker 4: you have a kids room? Just put it in the
Speaker 4: kids room, and I guarantee you he's got a little
Speaker 4: tiny piano in but like.
Speaker 3: A shitty plastic one.
Speaker 2: Right, No, no, this is this isn't like a baby
Speaker 2: grand tiny one. Looks like a little miniature John Legend.
Speaker 2: But we can't have him, do that?
Speaker 3: Are you serious? Okay? So like whatever, funk off? You're rich?
Speaker 3: But that sounds very fancy. Okay, I was a gift.
Speaker 2: I didn't buy it. I guarantee someone legend. No, it
Speaker 2: was not from John Legend. By the way, speaking of Juilliard,
Speaker 2: what was your audition?
Speaker 4: I did two monologues, one from king Lear. I did
Speaker 4: Edmund the Bastard Son from king Lear, and I did
Speaker 4: a Canadian and play right.
Speaker 3: Is it anything like Save the Last Dance? I haven't
Speaker 3: seen that.
Speaker 1: Are you serious?
Speaker 2: It's about getting into Juilliard And it doesn't hold up
Speaker 2: really so racist because the way that she ends up,
Speaker 2: she's like, I think she's a ballerina. I forget now,
Speaker 2: and now I'm gonna try to go from memory. But
Speaker 2: then she meets a black guy and he teaches her
Speaker 2: how to do hip hop hip hop and it's Julia Styles,
Speaker 2: who is just is like the.
Speaker 3: Not hip hop. And she's doing this audition for Julia.
Speaker 2: With a chair and she's like sitting in it like
Speaker 2: they're like, oh wow, and they're blown away. This is
Speaker 2: the greatest dancing we've ever seen anyway.
Speaker 4: The the you know, the the sort of precursor to
Speaker 4: say The Last Dances is Fame when she's the Welder
Speaker 4: and she auditions for Juilliard and and they have all
Speaker 4: the professors there at the Juilliard thing, and I love
Speaker 4: it because one of them's wearing her like his glasses.
Speaker 3: And then like when she does.
Speaker 4: Something a little too sexy, because it's they've got it
Speaker 4: wrong because Juilliard actually doesn't have a ballet program, but
Speaker 4: she's kind of auditioning for ballet. And then when she
Speaker 4: something not ballet, the one guy takes his glasses off
Speaker 4: and he goes like he looks there. It's like very
Speaker 4: like he's sexualizing her. He's going to be a bad teacher.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: Did you ever have a crush on Luke Perry? Never
Speaker 2: did the scar in the eyebrow?
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't. He wasn't for me. I was, you know,
Speaker 3: Mark Wahlberg a racist?
Speaker 1: Was wrong with you?
Speaker 2: H had a hate crime on it under his belt.
Speaker 2: So I don't ever let people forget that.
Speaker 3: It's totally true. Always. I always think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, you know who didn't do that when they
Speaker 3: were into college?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 2: Okay, a lot of people. When did you come out
Speaker 2: to your parents?
Speaker 4: My second year of college, came back for Christmas and
Speaker 4: told them, oh, bringing us to Christmas?
Speaker 1: Were they were? They receptive to it?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: And you know, again, you know, to my father's credit,
Speaker 4: and I didn't learn this for some time, but you know,
Speaker 4: it's hard, you know, when you're a kid is gay.
Speaker 4: I think he felt like you know, did I know you?
Speaker 4: And did you feel safe? And all those things, but
Speaker 4: he never made my problem.
Speaker 2: By the way, were your parents supportive of your cello playing?
Speaker 2: Because that, to me is way worse as to father,
Speaker 2: because I can't imagine having to lug that thing around
Speaker 2: to all the practices and concerts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad played the cello too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had two cello's in the truck.
Speaker 3: We had in the truck in the pickup truck. What
Speaker 3: could you fit that thing in?
Speaker 4: Cello isn't as big as the double bass, So I'm
Speaker 4: grateful we didn't have a double bassed family family that
Speaker 4: plays bas.
Speaker 1: Is there is there a family of double bass players.
Speaker 3: And they're probably on Instagram.
Speaker 1: You grew up outside of Toronto.
Speaker 3: I grew up actually in town called London, Ontario.
Speaker 4: I did London, No, I'm yeah, it's sort of like
Speaker 4: the Michigan state of Canada.
Speaker 2: Okay, I hate Toronto, I do do. I've never liked it.
Speaker 2: My one of my least favorite Canadians. That is, I
Speaker 2: don't know why people get into it. I'm like, this
Speaker 2: is shittier than Detroit.
Speaker 4: But I will say I've filmed there in the winter
Speaker 4: for like five years, and it just like it's like sad,
Speaker 4: like dirty, like sidewalks with like cigarette butts, and like
Speaker 4: that's what I think of when I think.
Speaker 1: Of trial system. Like this city doesn't have any soul.
Speaker 1: That's my thing.
Speaker 3: I think it does in the summer. I don't know,
Speaker 3: when you were whatever, let them cheer for their stupid
Speaker 3: basketball team.
Speaker 2: In the industry, is there a stigma about doing Hallmark
Speaker 2: Christmas movies?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I will say that, you know, when I get these offers,
Speaker 4: I asked my representation, I'm like, guys, is this and
Speaker 4: I get like assurances from them.
Speaker 3: They're like, no, no, not all, it doesn't hurt. Like
Speaker 3: they're not on people's radars, and I'm like, they kind
Speaker 3: of are.
Speaker 2: Now, there's a small group of you that make these
Speaker 2: A lot of them the theater company. Do you know
Speaker 2: these people? Do you have relationships with them? Are you
Speaker 2: friends with them?
Speaker 4: I don't think I've worked with the same female lead
Speaker 4: more than once.
Speaker 3: What about it?
Speaker 2: What about that Candice Cameron? Is she does she stick
Speaker 2: her nose up at everybody?
Speaker 4: I I will admit that I was like nervous to
Speaker 4: work with her, but she could not have been more lovely.
Speaker 3: She probably doesn't approve your lifestyle. We never talked about it.
Speaker 3: We never talked about it. I wouldn't talk about it immediately.
Speaker 3: She has a lot of gay friends, does she? Yes?
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 1: So do you actually like Christmas?
Speaker 2: And before you answer, know that this is my absolute
Speaker 2: favorite holiday, So please answer this correctly, Luke.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I do like Christmas. I like Christmas
Speaker 3: very much.
Speaker 4: And I remember getting very sad after Christmas as a kid,
Speaker 4: like when all the decorations came down and the house
Speaker 4: felt empty and I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what there's about.
Speaker 2: Here's what bothers me about Taylor Swift. I love everything
Speaker 2: about her, her business savvy, all of that. I think
Speaker 2: she's a genius, the fact that but yeah, oh you
Speaker 2: know how she used to write songs about her exes.
Speaker 2: If she if this one and this Travis Kelsey focks
Speaker 2: are over, she can buy the Kansas City Chiefs and
Speaker 2: like fucking move them to London, Canada. She wanted to
Speaker 2: like she could do anything. That's besides the point where
Speaker 2: she just think about that. I didn't, but now it's great.
Speaker 2: But uh, I wanted to say it was her song,
Speaker 2: that one where she goes we can leave the Christmas
Speaker 2: lights up till January.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's only fucking five.
Speaker 3: Days after Christmas.
Speaker 2: That's not a big deal that that line blows my mind.
Speaker 2: But five days after Christmas is not worthy of a lyric.
Speaker 2: We can leave, can you believe it? They left their
Speaker 2: Christmas lights up till January. Second, you've done some other
Speaker 2: besides Hallmark Christmas movie. Yes, Hallmark does other holidays. Yes,
Speaker 2: than those are garbage.
Speaker 4: But it's part of when you're in the stable. You
Speaker 4: got you gotta you gotta pay your dues.
Speaker 3: You gotta do.
Speaker 1: You gotta do Valentine, You gotta do Valentines.
Speaker 3: You gotta do.
Speaker 4: You know, the seasonality of Hallmark is really I think
Speaker 4: I've hit all the other seasons.
Speaker 2: The one that didn't like, I'll be honest with your
Speaker 2: shoe at it Christmas time travel fucking stupid it. She
Speaker 2: puts on new shoes and she time travels. Guys, if
Speaker 2: you don't she times because it's the shoe addicts Christmas.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that one. That one made me angry.
Speaker 4: But Jean Smart, I mean Jean Smart was in that
Speaker 4: I don't care she was. She was so good in
Speaker 4: that she really was attic is a tough word to
Speaker 4: use in a Hallmark film.
Speaker 2: Chateau Christmas loved it. You know, setting Tahoe. I live
Speaker 2: in Tahoe, so I always get excited, even though also
Speaker 2: randomly George Lopez was in that one?
Speaker 3: Was he?
Speaker 1: I think he was like a delman or door.
Speaker 2: He definitely wasn't George Lopez is in one of these
Speaker 2: as a hotel person. He's just like, why is he
Speaker 2: in this Hallmark movie? And it's such a small role.
Speaker 3: They that is the fascinating thing, Like they get some
Speaker 3: like I worked, I've worked with some.
Speaker 2: Really one of those twins from the home Builders, Oh yes,
Speaker 2: in one of them.
Speaker 3: Didn't want that. Yeah he was acting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like a big city rep or something
Speaker 2: in one of them.
Speaker 3: He wasn't playing like a home builder. But let's get
Speaker 3: back to Chateau.
Speaker 1: You play the cello in that one?
Speaker 3: I do. Oh that's exciting. It was excited. I tell you.
Speaker 4: When I first got the script, I played the violin
Speaker 4: and I was like, change it to the cello please,
Speaker 4: and they did.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you do have pull a huge all right,
Speaker 2: Well good, then here's what I want done. Here's my
Speaker 2: two I have two notes that if you could do this,
Speaker 2: because I don't care if you fucking studied it, Julia
Speaker 2: or anyway.
Speaker 3: No actor can pull this off playing a fake instrument.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Holding a cup of hot cocoa or coffee that's empty,
Speaker 2: and me believing that there's something in it it. You
Speaker 2: your arms don't move the right way, it's too fucking light.
Speaker 2: You put water in it every time. It's infuriating.
Speaker 4: Daniel weel learning. We are learning, and this this feedback
Speaker 4: has been given a lot.
Speaker 2: Just put something in everything. I can tell that there's
Speaker 2: nothing in it. I second second note, Yes, put put
Speaker 2: some fucking bricks in the luggage. I can tell when
Speaker 2: they're hitting the curb that it's empty. It's like, just
Speaker 2: put bricks in there and be done with it, you idiots.
Speaker 4: Can I tell you my first Christmas movie? I was
Speaker 4: you know, Christmas Tree Farmer and I had a pickup truck. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And because it read I don't remember red, I don't remember.
Speaker 4: And this is when we filmed in Utah and it
Speaker 4: was like again it was my first Christmas movie. I
Speaker 4: wasn't like it was like there's you shoot a lot
Speaker 4: and I remember I was coming from the hardware store,
Speaker 4: of course, and I just kind of loaded loosely my
Speaker 4: ship into the back of the pickup truck.
Speaker 3: And I'm a pickup truck owner.
Speaker 4: You can't just put a can of paint in the
Speaker 4: back of pickup drug It's just gonna bounce all over.
Speaker 4: And I was really embarrassed when I saw that, And
Speaker 4: then of course someone sent me a tweet where they're like,
Speaker 4: of course, Luke.
Speaker 3: Just loads things loosely in the back of his big up.
Speaker 3: I was really embarrassed. And now I do because people
Speaker 3: do watch them with a kind of yeah, I for
Speaker 3: that sort of detail. They're just great movies. They're just
Speaker 3: fun to watch it. I just love them. And did
Speaker 3: you watch it before your wife? Like, oh, way before
Speaker 3: my wife.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even my wife was barely born when I
Speaker 2: started watching these.
Speaker 3: She's young, Oh my god, she's child.
Speaker 2: How much She's thirteen years younger than me? Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: forty eight, she's thirty. No, I don't know how old
Speaker 2: she is. Is she thirty six?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 4: Higgs younger for me too. That's why he can he's
Speaker 4: he can do things.
Speaker 3: Are you better looking? He's a very good looking guy.
Speaker 3: But are you better?
Speaker 4: Like, no, I'm not saying he does say to our
Speaker 4: he does say to our daughter, this is your handsome dad.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, no, no handsome father, that's not true.
Speaker 2: Your partner is an American alpine skier.
Speaker 1: Yes, he is named higg, which seems.
Speaker 2: Perfect for my Hallmark Christmas movie idea, Bring me some
Speaker 2: Higgy pudding.
Speaker 1: No, do you ski snow skiing?
Speaker 4: I can now because of my partnership with hig He's
Speaker 4: obviously an incredible skier.
Speaker 3: And why do you say partnership, I don't know, because.
Speaker 4: We're not married, you know, boyfriend. I guess I could
Speaker 4: say boyfriend. It feels different now because we're raising a
Speaker 4: kid together.
Speaker 3: Huh. You know we'll get married one day. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't care if I don't marry. If you want
Speaker 1: to get to heaven, you just.
Speaker 4: Like you better do that right before you die.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. I'm sure we will at some point.
Speaker 4: But he's an amazing skier and we've it's been crazy
Speaker 4: like for a guy that like I did not. We
Speaker 4: had like a garbage hill in my town, like an
Speaker 4: old garbage hill that became the ski hills. So like
Speaker 4: I skied there and with Hick like I've skied in
Speaker 4: like Zermatt and Shemony.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen him take a bad spill?
Speaker 3: I mean I've seen like film or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like it was famous on you know,
Speaker 4: like how Sports Center plays like the biggest like moments,
Speaker 4: and there's just one of him at a World Cup
Speaker 4: coming down getting so pissed off and breaking his poles
Speaker 4: over his leg.
Speaker 3: That's kind of cool though, it was kind of cool.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy because anybody can stand on the top
Speaker 2: of a hill and just lean forward and go down
Speaker 2: like it's absurd. However, when they say like, oh, the
Speaker 2: amount of people that die, Re'm like it should be
Speaker 2: a solid tire.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's also the ice that you know, you and
Speaker 4: I are used to skiing on and like you know
Speaker 4: Tahoe they is it's it's ice. They like hosted it's ice,
Speaker 4: like you can hit it with a hammer. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: When did you come You came out in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight to the Hollywood.
Speaker 4: I had my first job in television. It was like
Speaker 4: right after I graduated from college and I was working
Speaker 4: on this military show.
Speaker 1: Did you straighten up? Did you straighten up for me reason?
Speaker 4: Do I do remember very clearly, like when I when
Speaker 4: I booked this show is like talking to one of
Speaker 4: the representatives I worked with at the time, and they
Speaker 4: were like, this is a really good part for you.
Speaker 4: And the implication was and I know what that implication
Speaker 4: military dude.
Speaker 3: You know, so you know it didn't feel so good.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that that that coming out affected your career?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I truly I don't know.
Speaker 2: You think had you not, you would have been Wolverine
Speaker 2: was no on The Greatest Showman. It's I'm not saying
Speaker 2: anything about oh I know anything, Oh I know.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I have no idea.
Speaker 4: I have no idea, but like I can't imagine who
Speaker 4: I would be if I hadn't.
Speaker 2: Here's what I think though, Back to the point when
Speaker 2: we were talking about if coming out kept you from
Speaker 2: some because I'm sure whether it's happened to you, it
Speaker 2: certainly happened to others. I would be fine with as
Speaker 2: kind of a retribution of sort that only gay people
Speaker 2: were allowed to be in anything like, I would be
Speaker 2: fine with that. I would be Okay, let's do this
Speaker 2: for thirty years and then and then one invites or
Speaker 2: maybe we were allowed to have keep five straights. Now
Speaker 2: we get to vote on it, Like I'll take Christian Bale.
Speaker 2: I don't know my list walk no, fuck, he's too old.
Speaker 3: Who cares?
Speaker 2: But anyway that would that's my list, is the only
Speaker 2: straight actor. I would be like, all right, keep him. Also,
Speaker 2: when some I get annoyed when people when somebody comes
Speaker 2: out and you hear people they're like, oh, we don't
Speaker 2: even care. Nobody cares anymore. It's like, hold on, everybody cares.
Speaker 2: It's so it's interesting, we care, we want to talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 4: I mean the big thing now is like if Luke's
Speaker 4: allowed to play straight, should he not be allowed to
Speaker 4: play straight?
Speaker 3: Right? You know, if only gay people are allowed to
Speaker 3: play gay characters.
Speaker 2: But I'm I have the easiest answer for this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like, no, he can do it. He can
Speaker 2: play straight. Anybody that's ever been marginalized gets to do everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that there's my stance.
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that. I don't know if I was
Speaker 4: ever limited. I don't know if things were ever held
Speaker 4: for me. But like you know, I mean, network testing
Speaker 4: for a television show is like a big deal.
Speaker 3: You got all these people there.
Speaker 4: They're curious, they're afraid, they're you know, they're just afraid.
Speaker 3: They're afraid.
Speaker 4: They're thing that they're spending all this money on is
Speaker 4: not gonna make money. And there's like famous stories of
Speaker 4: things that tested really badly and did really well.
Speaker 3: You know, bros.
Speaker 4: The movie I just did it tested really really really well.
Speaker 4: Like I remember going to one of the screens with
Speaker 4: with Judd at the Town him saying, like, this is
Speaker 4: tested better than any movie I've ever done.
Speaker 3: I saw the movie. I paid, I paid to see
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 2: I felt like sometimes it was trying to be raunchy funny,
Speaker 2: sometimes is trying to be heartfelt, and there was a
Speaker 2: balance there that wasn't perfect.
Speaker 1: And that's coming from an idiot.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean, Billy's a really big fan of
Speaker 4: like the sort of you know, the movies from the
Speaker 4: nineties that you got Mail the Nodding Hill, and I think,
Speaker 4: you know, his sensibility is much more of the sort
Speaker 4: of like big open hearted rom com and you know,
Speaker 4: and Judd and Nick are like jokes, jokes are really important.
Speaker 4: So I thought it was a really successful hybrid of
Speaker 4: those two things. And I think that I think he
Speaker 4: did what he wanted to do.
Speaker 3: Are you in the spitting on the hand scene?
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't know. There was a whole scene in Bros.
Speaker 4: Where they had made a great expense. I remember the
Speaker 4: director calling me. He was like, Luke, I just want
Speaker 4: to know if we spend thirty thousand dollars making a
Speaker 4: fake butt of Billy and would you be comfortable like
Speaker 4: eating that fake.
Speaker 1: But way more comfortable than eating real ass?
Speaker 4: And I said sure, And they made this fake button.
Speaker 4: I did that and it never ended up in the mom.
Speaker 3: But do you have the butt? I think Billy does?
Speaker 3: Actually thirty thousand dollars to make that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another thing I always think is bizarre. As
Speaker 2: you know, I had a show where we would do
Speaker 2: little comedy bits. Yes, and giving notes to real actors
Speaker 2: is impossible, so like I would only just use my
Speaker 2: writers as actors, Okay, and I would. I would never that.
Speaker 3: So you just tell them what you want them to do.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, be gayer, right, and like, let's end
Speaker 2: that dumb conversation.
Speaker 3: You can't do that. No, I understand that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be right. I get it.
Speaker 3: That's why that's not my thing.
Speaker 2: But it was sure would cut through some conversations that
Speaker 2: are so stupid.
Speaker 4: It's also hard to receive a note like no actor
Speaker 4: is like because they just want to think what they
Speaker 4: just do is like great, you know, so it's about
Speaker 4: like massaging the like.
Speaker 3: You're like that was really good. Why don't we try this?
Speaker 1: I'm always like, do you want it louder or faster?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Those are my two.
Speaker 4: The more confident as an actor that that's generally what
Speaker 4: I want.
Speaker 3: You know, just direct, do.
Speaker 1: You need you need it faster?
Speaker 3: I'll do. I'll give you.
Speaker 4: One more faster, totally be like angry and like go
Speaker 4: up at the end.
Speaker 3: I can do that.
Speaker 2: Play okay, Yeah, you were to Netflix Christmas Movie?
Speaker 3: I was, Yes, was the paycheck bigger? Smaller?
Speaker 1: Did Hallmark say, hey, knock it off?
Speaker 4: So I've had like sort of overall deals with them,
Speaker 4: and in the you know, I'm going to commit to
Speaker 4: five EPs or five Christmas movies or five movies, but
Speaker 4: I can't work for any other network and they name
Speaker 4: all the other networks and they can't be holiday related movies.
Speaker 4: So I was able to do that because I was
Speaker 4: outside of my deal with them.
Speaker 2: Do Hallmark Movies pay they pay you well, and your
Speaker 2: your rate goes up. I assume every time that's a
Speaker 2: nice thing.
Speaker 3: It is a nice thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I knew that they paid they do.
Speaker 2: Are Hallmark Christmas scripts written by the same people that
Speaker 2: write the cards?
Speaker 3: No, not all.
Speaker 4: They are actually two separate companies. Crown Media is what
Speaker 4: does it And I'm not quite sure the licensing deal
Speaker 4: is with the hull the car.
Speaker 2: About residuals, You're doing okay on residuals with Harmmark movies.
Speaker 4: They have to air a certain amount of time before
Speaker 4: you start getting because, as you know, they air them
Speaker 4: a lot. So if you end up doing one of
Speaker 4: the ones, it kind of hits and it's popular, it
Speaker 4: gets aired more and more, so you eventually get residuals.
Speaker 1: How about that shoe one? Is that one airing a lot?
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've gotten residuals for shoe Addicts Christmas.
Speaker 2: I one time I had my wife and go, I
Speaker 2: want you to write a Hallmark Christmas movie and she's like,
Speaker 2: all right, done. She went in took the meeting and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, we're gonna well, really, who do you
Speaker 2: pitch you? An older Jewish woman it was really nice.
Speaker 2: Here's the they give us the dues and the dontes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so curious about this.
Speaker 2: Okay, we always like we always always written caps. We
Speaker 2: like a strong female lead early to mid thirties and
Speaker 2: she needs to have a romance. This is always are
Speaker 2: a story our audience as women twenty five to fifty four,
Speaker 2: and we don't like to stray from what we do.
Speaker 2: It's kind of if it ain't broke, don't fix it mental.
Speaker 2: We are family friendly pgg in nature. A rule of
Speaker 2: thumb when watching our movies is you want to be
Speaker 2: able to watch them with your eight year old grandmother
Speaker 2: and your eight year old niece.
Speaker 3: HC. Hallmark.
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't give a fuck about movies
Speaker 2: and mystery. Don't even tell me about your resume there
Speaker 2: you really do?
Speaker 3: Those are so stupid.
Speaker 2: I don't want any extra drama. It's just a warm
Speaker 2: feeling when it's on in the background.
Speaker 4: It's hard when there's a mystery and there's a body
Speaker 4: with no boody.
Speaker 3: There's never blood on the body.
Speaker 2: Typically light romantic comedies with a heartwarming ending. All right,
Speaker 2: let's get to the dews want establishers at the top
Speaker 2: of the movie to set up the city or town.
Speaker 2: We want lots of coverage when shooting and any inserts
Speaker 2: when necessary. Please stay away from killing off family members.
Speaker 2: There tends to be a lot of dead father, mother,
Speaker 2: wife husbands in our movies, and we're trying to get
Speaker 2: away from that. How about this, no bowling? Oh, I
Speaker 2: didn't fucking note. There's a note, No oh bowling. Our
Speaker 2: content is not sexual in nature at all. A kiss
Speaker 2: is enough to show the romance in our movies, and
Speaker 2: we usually save this moment for the end when our
Speaker 2: leads get her fairy tale ending.
Speaker 1: By the way, you guys have broken that.
Speaker 2: Now they're doing kisses and act like five or six
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, makeout sessions. Does your partner does he
Speaker 2: prefer that you kiss women over men?
Speaker 1: I mean in an acting role.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's really bothered by either way.
Speaker 4: I mean he's seen me both kiss men and women
Speaker 4: in various projects.
Speaker 1: Do you have a preference.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's acting. It's like, it's not that weird, you know.
Speaker 4: I don't find it that uncomfortable. The most uncomfortable I
Speaker 4: ever got was right before the kissing scene, when my
Speaker 4: female lead asked me. She's like, do you get the
Speaker 4: feeling in your tummy when you kiss a woman?
Speaker 3: What? And I was like, yeah, what the fuck does
Speaker 3: that mean?
Speaker 4: I think she was feeling anxious because I think she
Speaker 4: gets the feeling, and she wanted to know that I
Speaker 4: got the feeling.
Speaker 3: He just told her to shut up. It was a
Speaker 3: little erky. It was a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: So I always give anybody comes to my show gifts,
Speaker 2: but I don't buy them anything. I just take stuff
Speaker 2: from my house and give them because I can't stand
Speaker 2: things in my house. I don't like it, so I
Speaker 2: get rid of stuff always. I'm the exact So anyway,
Speaker 2: so here, I'm gonna give you a gift.
Speaker 3: I hope it's like a baby associated.
Speaker 2: It's all baby associated, baby sos it and Christmas Assidia
Speaker 2: because you just you have a little girl, now I
Speaker 2: have just I have a nine month old girl.
Speaker 3: Now I have a four year old boy, but a
Speaker 3: nine month old ago.
Speaker 2: So so I'm just and your Canadian, so I had
Speaker 2: so anything that was Canadian related.
Speaker 3: Oh it's a reindeer like a little uggs.
Speaker 1: F Oh, come on, it's all hand me downs. That's
Speaker 1: this is quality I know No, that's really good.
Speaker 3: This. You know, we're going to New York next week too.
Speaker 2: And if you ever want her to look like a
Speaker 2: Handmaid's tail or. No, let's like if they did a
Speaker 2: Christmas movie. I don't know what if somebody gave us this.
Speaker 2: This is fucking.
Speaker 3: Horrible, But this is adorable.
Speaker 1: It's not that's not adorable.
Speaker 2: But on your little jacket, you know they're a Canadian.
Speaker 3: Oh this is Oh, this is good. Yeah, this is great. Oh,
Speaker 3: come on, this is too generous. No, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Nothing, there's more in here. Oh wow, just
Speaker 3: put that over. That's so good. You know I was
Speaker 3: going to ask you.
Speaker 2: Just don't you know, just throw it all in there.
Speaker 2: You're a citizen now of America.
Speaker 4: Of America, I became a citizen, and i'd actually don't
Speaker 4: know the date.
Speaker 3: Maybe I want to say twenty eighteen. Was that test hard?
Speaker 4: Not really, but it'd be actually fun to do it with, Like, well,
Speaker 4: can I ask you a couple of questions?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Really, No, No, I'm I'm big on not letting people
Speaker 2: know how dumb I am.
Speaker 4: I don't I think you would know who is the
Speaker 4: president during the First World War?
Speaker 1: The First World War?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jefferson, Jefferson who was the president in the.
Speaker 3: First World War, Woodrow Wilson. I would have never in
Speaker 3: a million years got that. Why you have to know that.
Speaker 4: They they give you all the questions, so you basically
Speaker 4: just have to memorize them.
Speaker 3: Were you ever a model? No? Never, never, no never.
Speaker 3: Was that one of your questions?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, no, no, never never.
Speaker 4: I actually find it really hard to take pictures. It's
Speaker 4: totally it's very different.
Speaker 2: I despise it still, and I won't hold a prop.
Speaker 2: They always try to get you for press photos to
Speaker 2: hold something and I'm like, I'm not fucking putting anything
Speaker 2: in my hands because one time I did a promo
Speaker 2: photo like this, and it's used on every review of
Speaker 2: anything that like says like I have a new special
Speaker 2: or something, and it's like, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we do a lot of promo for you know,
Speaker 4: Hallmark makes like the classic movies, and they're usually holding
Speaker 4: an associated prop. So like for Shoe Addicts Christmas, I
Speaker 4: think Cannis was holding a shoe.
Speaker 1: I bet she can has had her cross front and center.
Speaker 3: I think she did wear across in that movie.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure she didn't. What's your favorite Christmas movie?
Speaker 2: Doesn't have to be homework.
Speaker 4: You know, everyone was saying for a long time, diehard man,
Speaker 4: what diehards Christmas?
Speaker 1: People are saying you're hanging out douche peg.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's not. My favorite Christmas movie is Miracle
Speaker 4: thirty fourth Street. Oh, I don't like that either.
Speaker 3: No, I don't know what are your favorite Christmas movies.
Speaker 2: I'm not an elf person, but I love I think
Speaker 2: Elfie is genuinely good.
Speaker 3: And I had like National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. It's great.
Speaker 3: He throws some crazy faces in that movie. He's like
Speaker 3: the King of Like he does weird faces of that movie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, all right.
Speaker 1: Thank you Luke for being on the show. I appreciate
Speaker 1: it very much.
Speaker 4: Pleasure, all the best. Thank you for being a fan,
Speaker 4: and thank you for the gifts. Merry Christmas.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Pasha Hey, Carl Carl Hey.
Speaker 2: This is exactly why we can't interview actors because I
Speaker 2: have to pretend why I liked their project. And I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. I love Luke. I've made
Speaker 2: that very clear. But catch me if you clause was
Speaker 2: a disaster. This is not my kind of Hallmark Christmas movie.
Speaker 2: I told him that, I told him what I don't like,
Speaker 2: and he led me blindly into this. First of all,
Speaker 2: it had magic. He a spoiler alert. He's Santa Claus's son,
Speaker 2: and he gets caught in a house where this woman
Speaker 2: who's trying to become a reporter, but she her mom's
Speaker 2: a famous reporter, but she can't do it or can't
Speaker 2: hack it, and she's just not getting the opportunity. So
Speaker 2: they say, why don't you try to dress slutier and
Speaker 2: show your boobs and then maybe you'll get on camera.
Speaker 2: So I think that's kind of part of the plot.
Speaker 2: But then she's like, oh my goodness, I caught this
Speaker 2: burglar in my house. But it's Santa Claus's son and
Speaker 2: he knows everything about everybody. They end up going to
Speaker 2: some cool gay bar while the cops are chasing them
Speaker 2: and there's kidnapping because there is a real Santa burglar
Speaker 2: on the loose. It's just nonsense. It's not a cute town.
Speaker 2: The town's garbage. If you ask me, I want a
Speaker 2: quaint town. I want a cute story. The end, this
Speaker 2: story was complicated. I had no idea what was going on,
Speaker 2: and my mom hated it. But that I said I
Speaker 2: loved Luke. I loved Luke. Great job, Luke, and thank
Speaker 2: you for being on the show. All right, what else
Speaker 2: is going on? Oh, it's time for the coveted comment
Speaker 2: of the year, Eddie.
Speaker 3: Who we got?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 4: Prime logic five five six two says generally love the border,
Speaker 4: but please get rid of the show.
Speaker 2: Loves the Border says get rid of the show. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, what do I have to plug the goat?
Speaker 2: It's a reality show that I'm hosting. Comes out next year.
Speaker 2: Boys Wear Pink, the charitable clothing line that I started
Speaker 2: for my son. Make sure you place your order before
Speaker 2: the holiday and I'll probably get that to you early.
Speaker 1: First quarter.
Speaker 2: Tickets on sale for my show in Los Angeles for
Speaker 2: the Netflix. As a joke, it will be May fourth at.
Speaker 1: The Dolby Theater.
Speaker 2: That's where they shoot the oscars where the violence takes
Speaker 2: place on stage. I might do a reenactment Will Smith.
Speaker 2: I'll comp you two tickets at the door for you
Speaker 2: and your unfaithful wife. Oh, before we go, I have
Speaker 2: one final gift, a bedtime story from my three year
Speaker 2: old son. So on behalf of Karl and I Happy Holidays,
Speaker 2: which means Merry Christmas and happy Honikah.
Speaker 1: That's it. You're great too, Muslims.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll be back with new episodes January ninth,
Speaker 2: taking two weeks off.
Speaker 3: Happy New Year, okay, it's Christmas. Go ahead and tell
Speaker 3: me sorry.
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Speaker 5: and then one of them wrote, and then they twinn't
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