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Speaker 1: didn't go anywhere from there. That's the rumor that that

433
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Speaker 1: played a role in Rich Rodriguez is a valuation of

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Speaker 1: the South Carolina offer that they were like, here you go,

435
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Speaker 1: you're in twenty two D and he was like, I'm

436
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Speaker 1: Rich Rodriguez. I don't do that.

437
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Speaker 2: It's is on Keith Hernandez moment.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he wanted private. I don't know

439
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: if you want a business class, first class, whatever, But

440
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: the rumor is commercial coach was with how they were

441
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Speaker 1: going to bring him to meet everybody.

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Speaker 2: Can't wine and dine Rich rod and coach.

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Speaker 1: Now you have the way this thing.

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Speaker 2: Works, all right?

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Speaker 1: South Carolina actively trying to.

446
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Speaker 2: Get better, actively trying to get better. So on that

447
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: very note, when we're talking about offenses, big part of

448
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Speaker 2: that's quarterback. Another question that we asked here is the

449
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Speaker 2: teams that have been waiting the longest for a legit

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Speaker 2: good quarterback are So I've already thrown out two teams

451
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Speaker 2: in South Carolina, Florida State. I've got a whole list

452
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Speaker 2: of other teams here. This is an interesting question.

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Speaker 1: Let me go through the comments.

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Speaker 2: We got some fun comments. But before we get to comments,

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Speaker 2: what is a legit quarterback to you? Just circle back

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Speaker 2: to this. You are saying, if a top one hundred

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Speaker 2: team or if one hundred teams, let's say, would trade

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Speaker 2: their quarterback for yours. By your definition, is is what

459
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: you'd call legit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not When I say legit good, I'm not

461
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Speaker 1: talking all time Heisman caliber. I'm saying, you don't have

462
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Speaker 1: questions about whether you're gonna get first downs in a game.

463
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Speaker 1: You don't have questions about whether somebody's gonna score a

464
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Speaker 1: touchdown in the red zone. Sometimes. Yeah, that's it's a

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Speaker 1: non disaster and is clearly above average, because again, that's

466
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Speaker 1: something that a lot of teams would take. And so

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the Jack Cone threshold. I

468
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Speaker 1: don't know if he's the guy that you like, is

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Speaker 1: the sub Jack Cone, is the above Jack Cone? Whatever?

470
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Speaker 1: But legit good in that, Like, I don't lose sleep

471
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Speaker 1: over this quarterback's ability to read a defense most at

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: Well way back when, way back when we had the

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Speaker 2: Danny Ettling line when he was at LS. Does that

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Speaker 2: count here? Is that relevant here?

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Speaker 1: If it helps for you, I think that's totally I don't.

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Speaker 1: I just don't have the reference point with Danny Ettling's

478
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Speaker 1: ability anymore. I'm old and too far removed from his

479
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Speaker 1: time at LSU. But whether it's Jack Cone, like we

480
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Speaker 1: had Miami fans say Miami, well obviously like maybe before

481
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Speaker 1: Tyler Vent, but like Brad Kaya was a good quarterback,

482
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Speaker 1: Brad Kaya the best of Derek King was good, and

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Speaker 1: so Miami isn't the answer there. Florida State is an

484
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Speaker 1: interesting answer if you want to circle back to the Knowles.

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Speaker 2: And there have been some names for them, it's been

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Speaker 2: a minute.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's where I land, Like, and you can

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Speaker 1: look at statistically like should they be completing sixty percent

489
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Speaker 1: of their passes against college competition? Yeah, they should be.

490
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Speaker 1: Sixty percent is a good threshold. Eight yards per attempt? Yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: against college dbs and secondaries and pass rushes for the

492
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Speaker 1: most part, you should be getting eight yards per attempt.

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Speaker 1: Should you be finishing in the upper half of you

494
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Speaker 1: know QB rating or our yards per attempt against your conference? Yeah,

495
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Speaker 1: if you're legitimately good, yes, you should be in that zone.

496
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Speaker 1: So that's if you want a statistical threshold. That's where

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Speaker 1: I looked, But then I also looked for they win games.

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Speaker 1: Do I look back fondly as like, yeah, they were fine,

499
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Speaker 1: they were totally fine, and a respectable quarterback who was

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Speaker 1: better than two thirds of the country's offerings.

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Speaker 2: Right, So, like one of the answers we got here

502
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Speaker 2: was ian Book, Ian Book's not an answer here. No, Legitimately,

503
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Speaker 2: Ian Book was, by this metric a legit quarterback. He's

504
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Speaker 2: a winning his quarterback in program history. Yeah right, he

505
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: had physical limitations. But Ian Booker Ian Book, Ian Chapter, Yes,

506
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Speaker 2: by any metric here, at least as part of this question,

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Speaker 2: I think would qualify. So and as you said, Miami

508
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Speaker 2: would have been an answer if not for the rise

509
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Speaker 2: of TVD. We saw that last year. Northwestern I think

510
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Speaker 2: we already went through Northwestern, right, Northwestern has been a

511
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Speaker 2: messic quarterback for a good long time. Mentioned South Carolina,

512
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Speaker 2: mentioned Florida State. What do you think about Stanford here?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't. I think Kevin Hogan was legit good.

514
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Speaker 1: I think early kJ Costello was legit probably one of

515
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Speaker 1: the best ten to twelve quarterbacks in the country. Okay,

516
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Speaker 1: relative to how often they developed good dudes. Starting you

517
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Speaker 1: know Andrew Luck in there was no was there anybody

518
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Speaker 1: between Andrew luck and Kevin Hogan and then post Hogan,

519
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Speaker 1: kJ Costello had his moments. The guy that came next,

520
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: Oh God, Davis Mills. I think he's in the NFL.

521
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Speaker 1: He wasn't amazing, But that to me Stanford is you

522
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Speaker 1: have to chalk up some of that to the stubbornness

523
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Speaker 1: of the Stanford offense. But no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

524
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Speaker 1: put Stanford has not been waiting for that long because

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Speaker 1: all you have to do is go back to like

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Speaker 1: sophomore kJ at Castell, he was legit good.

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Speaker 2: There was a Josh Nunez spotting. Oh right, right right,

528
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Speaker 2: you're right back in twenty twelve. Kevin Hogan also got

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Speaker 2: reps on that team. But don't forget about Josh Nunis.

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Speaker 1: I think he took over somewhere at some point during

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Speaker 1: the season. Keevin Hogan did possibly in Autsen to win

532
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Speaker 1: that game. It still haunts me. But yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: not consider Stanford. I would not consider Miami. We got

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Speaker 1: a Tennessee answer. Relative to recruiting. No, Hendon Hooker was

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Speaker 1: one of the five best quarterbacks, seven best subbacks whatever

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Speaker 1: in college football last year.

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Speaker 2: So some other teams here that we could throw out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's been a minute. For TCU. It was Kenny Hill

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Speaker 2: is Kenny Hill. Kenny Hill was twenty seventeen. Been a

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Speaker 2: minute for TCU.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, relative to what's available in Texas, relative to the

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Speaker 1: attractiveness of the portal to go to Fort Worth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been too long, right, That's what you say after

544
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Speaker 1: not seeing an old friend. It's been too long.

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Speaker 2: Been too long? Are you? Are you a Spencer Sanders believer?

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Speaker 1: As part of this question, I think Spencer Sanders is

547
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Speaker 1: one legit good, even though untrustworthy. And two, I think

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State is one of the worst answers for this

549
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Speaker 1: question because they had such an impressive string of above

550
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Speaker 1: competent quarterbacks that's not really English. But yes, between Taylor

551
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Speaker 1: Cornelius being good, he was legit good, Mason Rudolph being

552
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Speaker 1: legit very very good, and you go back to Brandon

553
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Speaker 1: Weed like they've had good guys at quarterback. Who is

554
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Speaker 1: between Whedon and Rudolph?

555
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Speaker 2: We had a tailor between Whedon and Rudolf. I don't know.

556
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Speaker 2: I was sitting out Taylor Cornelius here back in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm forgetting somebody incredible probably Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can go back through and look while we're

559
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Speaker 2: talking this out, but I think Spencer Sanders was interested.

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Speaker 2: Spencer Sanders is one of the names that I came across. Again,

561
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Speaker 2: there is a difference between good and somebody that you're

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Speaker 2: willing to trot out there and trustworthy. Sure, it's almost

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Speaker 2: two separate conversations altogether, but at least in terms of

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Speaker 2: this discussion, I think Oklahoma State's probably a bad answer

565
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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: I left off a solid verbal guest. J. W. Walsh,

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, was totally good injury issues. Clint Chalf, Okay,

568
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: not bad. You got a Dax Gorman sighting in your

569
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Speaker 1: life if you want it. By the way, the truest

570
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: tweet ever is just like guys will just sit around

571
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: and name guys and be so entertained, and it's true.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, uh yeah, god.

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Speaker 1: Clint Schalf, Dax Garman, J. W. Walsh, you know, was

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Speaker 1: sort of in and out but legitimately good. And then yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph was very good. So now Oklahoma State terrible answer.

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Speaker 1: Probably on the opposite side of this spectrum in terms

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Speaker 1: of teams who wait the least. Yeah, for decent quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: We got a lot of answers here for Wisconsin. We

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Speaker 2: also got a lot of answers here for Iowa. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what answers do you have?

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Speaker 1: On your list, Iowa has not had a legit good

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Speaker 1: quarterback probably, I don't consider CJ. Beththard as above Jack Cone.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking Ricky Stanzy twenty ten. Love It or

584
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Speaker 1: Leave It is probably the last time Iowa had like

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Speaker 1: a threat at quarterback. I would say, who else did

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Speaker 1: you mention other than Iowa?

587
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Speaker 2: Than Iowa? Wisconsin?

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Speaker 1: We had Wisconsin. I don't buy though. I was never

589
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Speaker 1: in on Hornybrook. I was never as horny as you were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for als, very horny for Alex Hornybrook.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but because of Jack Cone meeting obviously the Jack

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Speaker 1: Cone threshold, you're still going back, like one of the

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Speaker 1: darker parts of researching this episode is going back to

594
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Speaker 1: see how much time some schools gave quarterbacks because they

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Speaker 1: were the best of what's around. Shout out Dave Matthews.

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Speaker 1: We're just like, well, Joel Stave is likely better than

597
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: Tanner McAvoy converted, you know, going back to safety. So

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna ride with Joel Stave, who legitimately, like

599
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Speaker 1: was Joel Stave the quarterback when they rushed for like

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty eight yards in the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: Championship game against Nebraska, I believe so okay, so good enough,

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Speaker 1: but I would not qualify him as legit good. And

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Speaker 1: then like speaking of Nebraska, like how many years of

604
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Tommy Armstrong and Taylor Martinez consecutively be two different coaches?

605
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Speaker 1: Are like, we just have to we have to anchor

606
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Speaker 1: ourselves to this experience. Now, at least Taylor Martinez. There's

607
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Speaker 1: something there athletically with the ground attack and what he

608
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Speaker 1: was able to provide in terms of winning football on

609
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Speaker 1: the ground. But if you truly, if I truly want

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Speaker 1: to adhere to my Jack Cone principle, I think because

611
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Speaker 1: as great as he was at the Manning Passing Academy,

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Speaker 1: I'm not there with Tanner Lee good second half of

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Speaker 1: the season, but I want totality of your work. He's fine,

614
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Speaker 1: Maybe he's there. You can make an argument for Tannery

615
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Speaker 1: and being the Jack Cone threshold. You're probably going to

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Speaker 1: Joe Gans two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: Can we just say what this is? It's the Cone zone,

618
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Speaker 2: is what you're referring to. It's the Cone zone zone.

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Speaker 2: It's the Cone zone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Joe Gans two thousand and eight, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I think current Bengals head coach Zach Lee is that

622
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Speaker 1: who's the Bengals head coach?

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, excuse me not zachly different guy. So Sam Keller,

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Speaker 1: I just want not there with Sam Keller. Maybe Asu

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Speaker 1: sam Keller. But now we had a couple of Virginia

627
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Speaker 1: Tech people. But Hendon Hooker's twenty nineteen, Trod Evans twenty

628
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Speaker 1: sixteen now.

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Speaker 2: Legit good.

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Speaker 1: I think drod Evans gets there. You know, Hendon Hooker

631
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Speaker 1: was in and out of a lineup like Tyrod Taylor

632
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Speaker 1: was legitimately very very good. That's twenty eleven, I believe.

633
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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of teams that would have

634
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Speaker 2: happily taken Josh Jackson, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Want happily, but yeah, Willingly William, Yeah, Josh Eckson. You know,

636
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Speaker 1: if you want talk about Ryan Willis you want about

637
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Speaker 1: Michael Brewer. It's it's been a stretch for the Hokies.

638
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Speaker 1: But I don't think I would include them in this.

639
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Speaker 1: I think that passes the cone zone check mark.

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Speaker 2: So who are we doing faulting to here? Are we

641
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Speaker 2: defaulting to Northwestern again? Are we defaulting to Iowa again?

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Speaker 1: I'm Iowa, Nebraska, South Carolina. That rivalry man, that Newish

643
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Speaker 1: rivalry cal I don't count Davis Webbs good in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: If we're looking at the offenses, most teams Kentucky for

645
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Speaker 1: a long time, probably pre Will Levis fell into this. Yeah,

646
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Speaker 1: that they went a long, long, long time without finding

647
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: a guy, too long, given the size of that athletic

648
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: department and the geographic footprint. But yeah, for all of these,

649
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: let us know who fits the bill like I want,

650
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: like I want decade ish without finding a quarterback, quarterback

651
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: who you can consider legit good.

652
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: South Carolina's in here too. I might have heard me

653
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: trying to talk over you. But so, oh yeah, we've

654
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: talked a lot about South Carolina. But you do have

655
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: to go back to twenty thirteen and Connor Shaw. Yes,

656
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: before all have a quarterback that you could feel good

657
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: about in that offense.

658
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you you just sort of happen into people.

659
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: It seems like even teams that go four or five

660
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: six years, like oh there's Bryce Perkins, like you just

661
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: happen into advantageous situations at quarterback. It's just it's a

662
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: numbers game, and some teams just can't or they're too

663
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: stubborn to say, we need to look elsewhere.

664
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: Let's go to the defensive side of the football. The

665
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: teams that have been waiting the longest for a competent,

666
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: disruptive defense are now got a lot of Big twelve

667
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: answers here, a lot of Big twelve answers here. We

668
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 2: got a lot of Texas, a lot of Texas Tech.

669
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: Two very good answers. We can unpack those a little

670
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: bit more. Also, we got some geographic variety here. We

671
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: did going out to Big ten country in usc interesting answer, Louisville.

672
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: Another interesting answer, Dan, Oregon State. I believe we've got

673
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: an Oregon State answer. Did we know it's a very

674
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: good answer, Yeah, Oregon State did. Let's start with Texas, though,

675
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: Texas is I think the frequent punching bag. In light

676
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: of what we saw last season. Texas was eighty sixth

677
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: nationally in defensive sp plus the year prior, thirty fifth

678
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: the year before that, sixty eighth, the year before that,

679
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: forty fourth. I think the story for Texas is, again

680
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: relative to what you'd expect with the talent level in

681
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 2: the Great State of Texas, this is far underwhelming, incredibly underwhelming.

682
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: They should be better than this. That's said. That said,

683
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: there have been moments here, right, and there have certainly

684
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: been players on defense that have have been a beacon

685
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: for hope. Let's say that the overall defensive output can

686
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: improve from year to year. Last year was just a

687
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: really bad year.

688
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: Frankly, So Texas is not a good answer. Twenty fourteen

689
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: and twenty seventeen they had top fifteen ish defenses nationally,

690
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: And I understand what you're saying relative to available talent,

691
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: relative to roster construction, that it seems like they should

692
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: be fielding top forty defenses more often. But like you

693
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: go back, so twenty seventeen is Malik Jefferson if you

694
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: remember poona Ford up front like they had actual Anthony Wheeler,

695
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: they had guys. Yeah, Malik Jefferson led them in everything.

696
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: It was craister like, oh I got four to three

697
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: sideline a sideline. So they actually got it done within

698
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: the last five or so years. So I don't think

699
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: they're a great example. But yes, relative to what they're

700
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: capable of, top forty should not seem so unattainable so

701
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: often for Texas. You mentioned Texas Tech. Yes, yeah, Texas

702
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: Tech is probably of the teams that have fielded good

703
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: offenses in the last decade. So like it's easy to

704
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: say Kansas for everything, Rutgers for everything, Like Oregon State

705
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: is at least the good offenses lately, Illinois has at

706
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: least been a little bit more scrappy, even though they

707
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: fell to some pretty sad depths these past few years.

708
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: Oregon State and Texas Tech are interesting. Texas Tech, I

709
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: like to joke, I think it was twenty sixteen that

710
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: you can actually look at the total yardage allowed, which

711
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: is kind of a meaningless metric, but still it's such

712
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: a big number that you could measure them, like how

713
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: many miles of offense they allowed in twenty sixteen, in

714
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: a way that you couldn't necessarily do in two thousand

715
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: and nine. Actually, so you have to go back that far.

716
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine. So it's the second year of

717
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: Ruff and McNeil in Mike Leach's final season, I believe

718
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: before he was ousted the craiging Craig James Saga, Ruff

719
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: and McNeil had I think they feeled it. I put

720
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: it down on the document a top forty defense something

721
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: like twenty third or something like that. Their blip year

722
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: was Cliff Kingsbury's first year which is never a good sign.

723
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: And the sort of the same justin Wilcox, the best

724
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: offense was his first year and it just kept going downhill.

725
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: Sixty fourth was the happy blip island for Texas Tech,

726
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: and they've cycled through defensive coordinators. They hired a defensive

727
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: minded head coach and Tommy Tubberville way back when it

728
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: just nope, no, Nope. Tech has been a nightmare.

729
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: And especially over the last four years, they've been incredibly

730
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: consistent at being bad, just in terms of sp plus. Right,

731
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a different scale than you are, but

732
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: they definitely match up if you go back last season,

733
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: sixty ninth, year before that, eighty second year, before that

734
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: eighty third year, before that eighty first. So they're constantly

735
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: right in in that frustrating territory of below average. And

736
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, relative to expectations at Texas Tech. I

737
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: feel like they've been so bad on defense for so

738
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: long that this is now the expectation that anything better

739
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: than like seventieth is good and they'll take it and

740
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: we'll see what Joey Maguire can do. I don't have

741
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: great aspirations for this defense taking a gigantic step forward

742
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: under him this season, I think the offense will again

743
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: be pyrotechnic, and whatever they can gain on defense will

744
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: definitely be a nice perk, but I'm not optimistic that that's.

745
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: Going to happen. Pyrotechnic might be a little bit far

746
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: for Texas Tech Tyler shuck offense, you'd be surprised will show.

747
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: I well, me personally would one hundred percent be surprised.

748
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 1: Texas Tech arguably has a case for the past decade,

749
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: and maybe we can do this another show or somebody

750
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: else can weigh in the half team of the decade,

751
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: the team who has so consistently fielded successful offenses or

752
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: defenses that have the other side of the field be

753
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: so decidedly unsuccessful. You go back to the Patrick Mahomes.

754
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: I think they were number four his final year offensively

755
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: in terms of points per drive, and like one hundred

756
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: and twenty third on defense. So the biggest distance, the

757
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: biggest gulf between successful sides of the ball. You can

758
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: look at Missoon Northwestern. There's a number of quality candidates here,

759
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: but Texas Tech, especially under Cliff, really really drove that

760
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: point home.

761
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: I love the idea of opening up a pack of

762
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: tops cards and pulling out a holographic Texas Tech Half

763
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: Team of the Decade card.

764
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a half a card, right, the card

765
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: is there's the ridges at the middle of the card

766
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: because god bless, there's no printing on the back.

767
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: It's just a.

768
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: No, no, there's it's a shin of an outside linebacker.

769
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: You're waiting so long for this. There's this music off

770
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: stop it. Oh god, I'm dying over here. What do

771
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: you think about USC? Is US see an answer?

772
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: No, USC has feeled They're an interesting answer again in

773
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: the same way that Texas is an interesting answer. But USC,

774
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean they were putting out like the best defense

775
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: in America for a couple of years there in the

776
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: two thousand.

777
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 2: I'm dying. That's too funny, US man.

778
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: USC at least peaked twenty sixteen number thirty nine, twenty fourteen,

779
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: thirty five, twenty thirteen number eight, so at least in

780
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: the last decade they've put out some relatively successful defenses.

781
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: But yes, considering the talent level available on that roster,

782
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: they have been pretty disappointing. These back you know, Todd

783
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: Orlando barely and then Clancy pender Gas twice. I think

784
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: it was probably Clancy Pendergass in twenty thirteen. I can

785
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: look that up to confirm live on the show. There's

786
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: only so much I can do. But yeah, that's it's

787
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: not about answer, but at least they've been they've flirted

788
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: with success on defense in the past few years.

789
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: One of the other answers here that we got is Woulisville.

790
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: Louisville is an interesting answer. Okay, they have actually improved

791
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: from an SP plus standpoint, They have improved from ninety

792
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 2: ninth if you go back four years to sixty fourth

793
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. That doesn't make them good. Okay,

794
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they're not an answer. It does mean

795
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: at least by this metric, by the SP plus, they

796
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: are headed in the right direction. Louisville fans certainly have

797
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 2: reason to feel frustrated with the way things have gone

798
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: under Sadderfield Louisville, but at least, by this metric, the

799
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: defense going in the right direction.

800
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were pretty incredible between twenty thirteen and twenty sixteen,

801
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: where they were you know, a BCS slash, Yeah, you know,

802
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: threat to win conferences whatever, and then by then the

803
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: acc but it was yeah, twenty thirteen to twenty sixteen.

804
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: So you're talking Charlie Strong, and then you're talking like

805
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: Calvin Pryor in that secondary, you're talking Marcus Smith who

806
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: had eight lump sing right here, I'm reading it. I'm

807
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: definitely did not memorize this, but eighteen and a half

808
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: tackles for a loss. He was pretty incredible off the edge.

809
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: So they had guys in the last decade, and Charlie

810
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: Strong had them playing hard. But yeah, again relative to

811
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: what they should be, pretty disappointing they felt. I mean, look,

812
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: they fall off a cliff recruiting, they fall off a

813
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: cliff on the field with Bobby Patrina. All understandable, but

814
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: it's taken a lot to get out of that ditch.

815
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: Two other answers that I know you like are Maryland

816
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: and Oregon State. Again, yes, these are teams that have

817
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: been waiting the longest for a competent, disruptive defense. Maryland

818
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: and Oregon State interesting answers.

819
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: DJ Dirkin got them to kind of average during his

820
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: short tenure in College Park in twenty sixteen and twenty eighteen.

821
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: They were like in the sixties, but since then and

822
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: before then, they did not have a top forty defense.

823
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: They have not since twenty ten, So we're talking about

824
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: now a dozen years plus Oregon State. It's been since

825
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. The blip is twenty sixteen and eightieth Gary

826
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: Anderson's second year. Oregon State now tougher place to win,

827
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: tougher place to recruit to. But at least under Jonathan Smith,

828
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: they've done a really good job in the portal. They

829
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: just now need to look to whatever it is. You know,

830
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: guys transferring out of the Pac twelve. Guys are transferring

831
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: out of Pac twelve schools out of the Mountain West.

832
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Like they've done a good job on offense given Jonathan

833
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: Smith's past, but I don't know if it's finding the

834
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: next gym knowles from a smaller or less successful school,

835
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: who's getting who's outperforming the talent level. But that's the

836
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: next step for Oregon State because they have been disastrously

837
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: bad with some good offenses, with some legitimately good offensive

838
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: players in the past ten twelve years. But they they're

839
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: another one of those candidates, especially after this last year

840
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: where they were pretty dangerous on offense. Just could not stop,

841
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: couldn't tackle, couldn't They just don't have the bodies to

842
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: be successful. So Oregon states the answer there, and I

843
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: think those are all all decent, but again, let us

844
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: know who we're forgetting who counts. Somebody responded with you,

845
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: just like every MAX school. So I would say at

846
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: least Northern Illinois had their run under Rod Kerrey of

847
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: just silencing defense, So that's at least the high point.

848
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been tough. In the MAC final question,

849
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: please teams that have been waiting the longest for their

850
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: rival their rival to be consistently competitive. So okay, before

851
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: last year, the answer would have been Ohio State Michigan

852
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 2: or Ohio State waiting for Michigan because it had been

853
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 2: so long. Right, We've got some Alabama answers here which

854
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: we can unpack. We got some Kansas Kansas state answers.

855
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: Kansas was an answer a frequent answer for pretty much

856
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: all of these. We've also got an Oregon answer that

857
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: we can unpack. We can talk through all of that.

858
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: So the Alabama one's interesting because I think a lot

859
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: of folks instantly think of Auburn as the rival, but

860
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 2: like most teams, Alabama has other rivals too.

861
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, smoke that cigar.

862
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: Notably Tennessee Alabama Tennessee's a really good answer. I think

863
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: for this one, Tennessee's getting are better, but they have

864
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 2: not really been competitive with Alabama in this rival for

865
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: a good long time.

866
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: When was the last Tennessee win over the Tide?

867
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: I could pull it up.

868
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: I assume it's two thousand and seven and sabans first year,

869
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I'll pull it up. But

870
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: that's a good answer, right, Oh, it's a terrific answer. Yeah,

871
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: the last time was two thousand and six. Yeah, it's

872
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: been a second for Tennessee. It's a good answer. They've

873
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: been competitive in some of those matchups, occasionally competitive, but yeah,

874
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: Alabama is waiting secondary rival to Auburn and the Iron Bowl.

875
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Oregon's an interesting answer. They've beaten Washington so often, but

876
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: at least Washington made the playoff and dropped seventy on

877
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: them in the last five or so years, So for

878
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: in terms of duration, consistent is doing a lot of

879
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: work there. Yeah, No, Washington has not been consistently competitive

880
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: in this rivalry. It's gotten a little bit closer at times.

881
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Oregon State has not been consistently competitive in this rivalry.

882
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Who else like South Carolina dominated Clemson during the chunk

883
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: of the Spurrier era and has been a non factor since.

884
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: So that's a decent answer not to pick on South

885
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: Carolina even more than we already have.

886
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: Who else, Yeah, I mean the Kansas Kansas State answer

887
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: is interesting again, Kansas Kansas sort of applies to a

888
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: lot of these because they've been almost historically bad, right

889
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: for like fifteen years now, however long it's been. You

890
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: got to go back all the way to two thousand

891
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: and eight, first year of this podcast, the Mark Mangino

892
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: era defined a time when Kansas actually won this game.

893
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: So it's been thirteen in a row where the Wildcats

894
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: have won. Most of those have been blowouts. There was

895
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: a closer game you go back, I don't know, four years,

896
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: but beyond that, it's been mostly a runaway train in

897
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 2: favor of Kansas State.

898
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I enjoyed the random that I wouldn't pay attention

899
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: to because I'm not a fan of either one of

900
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: these teams, but the random stretches where two non rivals

901
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: play pretty often and one of them has not won

902
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 1: at that place since like nineteen seventy two. Like there's

903
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: just like an absurd year or like we've we found

904
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: out as non Wisconsin and non Purdue fans that Purdue

905
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: has not beaten Wisconsin because you stumble into a random

906
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, quarterbacks herd or a coach is terrible or whatever.

907
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: Purdue has not been Wisconsin since two thousand and three,

908
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: since October of two thousand and three. So I always

909
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: enjoyed those randomly uncompetitive matchups where that we have to

910
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: look back, like what was the number one song in

911
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: October of two thousand and three? What was the number

912
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: one movie at the box office? That I always enjoy.

913
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, they across the board. It usually somebody jumps

914
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: up and gets somebody once or twice in a span

915
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: of ten fifteen years.

916
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that's sort of what makes

917
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: this an interesting question, right, I mean, so much of

918
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: college football comes down to rivalries and so competitive Maybe

919
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: we can unpack what that means. But is it competitive

920
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: in terms of the national conversation? Is it competitive in

921
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: terms of the conference or just competitive in terms of

922
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: the game?

923
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: Right? Well, Like I would say, like an example of

924
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: what you're asking is like Georgia Tech has not been

925
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: competitive against Georgia. That has been a game that Georgia

926
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: fans at least since Mark Rick left. But even you know,

927
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: towards the tail end of that that that has been

928
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: a game these past five six years or whatever since

929
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: Kirby arrived in Athens, and especially with Jeff Collins taking over,

930
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: where Georgia fans to themselves are saying, Yep, it's just

931
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: gonna be another another coast, right, There's just there's no

932
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: fear heading into kickoff in that matchup in this you know,

933
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: in the Jeff Collins era.

934
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 2: No, they've won the last two games by forty five points.

935
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: You got to go back to Kirby's first year to

936
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: find the last time that Georgia Tech won. That was

937
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: an overtime game twenty twenty, so it was that okay, yeah,

938
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 2: back in twenty sixteen, but beyond that, every game since,

939
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: the four games that they have played since have been blowouts.

940
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's been I'm looking back to like the uh,

941
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: the time before then, even before then, So Georgia wins

942
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: every time between two thousand and nine twenty thirteen. So

943
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: then Georgia Tech wins fourteen and sixteen, so at one

944
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: point they won two of three. Yeah, but really, since

945
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: the turn of the century, Georgia Tech has won three

946
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: time times in twenty twenty one years, so that I

947
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: think qualifies as a not necessarily competitive year to your matchup.

948
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: No, absolutely some interesting answers here that came through. Write

949
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: in soliverable at gmail dot com. Let us know your thoughts,

950
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: let us know who we missed on any of these

951
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: four questions the rivalry want. I want to get more

952
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: answers too, Yes, I want to get more answers, So

953
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: hit us up on social media or via email address

954
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: and let us know more of the rivalry question.

955
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question?

956
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

957
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: Can I ask you like this? It's related, It is

958
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: absolutely related. You have the choice to root for a team.

959
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: And maybe we've answered this question or asked each other

960
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: this question, and you know, maybe it changes. You know,

961
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: every so often, you have the opportunity to root for

962
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: a team with a killer offense and a disastrous defense.

963
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: You have the opportunity to root for a team with

964
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: a killer defense and a nightmare of an offense. Yeah,

965
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: which is the better experience? I'm not asking which we'll

966
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: win more often? I'm asking which. If you have to

967
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: sit down and watch that squad that decidedly that very

968
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: much pronounced half team so your two thousand and whatever

969
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: it was fifteen Texas Tech or twenty fifteen missoo right

970
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: of those the two extremes, yep, which at least can

971
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: you talk yourself into again sitting on the couch and

972
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: watching this experience, even knowing the roller coaster ride ahead.

973
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: I think I take the team with the better defense. Okay, explain,

974
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: I take the team with the better defense, because if

975
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: you've got the better defense, by the way, I watched

976
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 2: a team like this back in the Ty Willingham era. Yeah,

977
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: of course that we all have for our teams. Everybody's

978
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: had this experience. And if you're watching a team that's

979
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: got allows the offense, but at least a baller defense,

980
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: there is a chance for points off turnover, There is

981
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: a chance for winning the field position game, There is

982
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: a chance for special teams points. There is just a

983
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: chance for watching your team go up against an incredible

984
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: offensive opponent and stifling them. And there is some satisfaction

985
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: in that. Whereas if you're watching a half team that

986
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: just has offense, sure they're going to score a lot

987
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: of points. But I cannot emphasize enough how frustrating it

988
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: is to know that the opposing offense is going to

989
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: be like a hot knife through butter. There's just no

990
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: resistance whatsoever coming on behalf of your team's defense trying

991
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: to stop them. So I think you can go pretty far.

992
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 2: I mean Iowa, Look, Tay, we went about Iowa in

993
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 2: this episode. Iowa's gone pretty far with mostly a good

994
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: defense and kind of a bad offense for the last

995
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: decade plus. So I think you want the defense in

996
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 2: terms of just putting a competitive team out there that's

997
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 2: going to get you the most bang for the buck.

998
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: I fully disagree. Really, yeah, really, I think you may forget.

999
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: I mean you were at the what the six to

1000
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: four game? You've talked about that a few times. Yeah,

1001
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: you're at the Pennsate Iowa game. I don't think the

1002
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: experience of and this is for me, this is me

1003
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: and my preference having a great offense. There's something plug

1004
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: and play about that when you deal with injuries, that

1005
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a good quarterback. That a good defense

1006
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: is built around talent, and it's built around I guess

1007
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: concept on a certain level, right like everybody's sort of

1008
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: locked in. They give a ton of effort. The talent

1009
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: is there, the bodies there whatever. If somebody gets hurt

1010
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: on that defense, it's done for. It's not gonna be

1011
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 1: a good experience. You're gonna it can happen very quickly

1012
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: that your great defense goes away.

1013
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 2: I am stunned at your answer here. I am truly

1014
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: with truly stunned.

1015
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking about entertainment. Oh God, continue, because offense is dictating, right.

1016
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: You know where everybody should be on the field. On offense,

1017
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: you know the routse, the receivers are running, you know

1018
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: the responsibilities defense. Yes you can blitz, Yes you're calling plays,

1019
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: but you're reacting. So if I'm watching a team that

1020
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: I feel like can score pretty often, and it's not

1021
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: a wins and losses things per se, it's just an

1022
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: entertaining thing. I feel like my team has a chance

1023
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: at any given moment. And if I'm sitting there rooting

1024
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: for points off of turnovers and field position, I might

1025
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: as well watch soccer. I might as well watch another sport.

1026
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: Because you're hoping for rare things. You're hoping for punts,

1027
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: your hope like, it's just nothing I want to be

1028
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: a part of as a fan. Whereas if you're giving

1029
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: me a receiver slashing through a defense. You're giving me

1030
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback who is you know, stepping into the pocket

1031
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: without fear of you know, rush ends whatever, and just

1032
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: nailing guys downfield. At least that gives me hope. At

1033
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: least that's entertaining. And I understand great defense is entertaining too,

1034
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: I get that too, sure, but there is something a

1035
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: little more hopeful to me about the ability to score

1036
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: points often than the ability to stop somebody short on

1037
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: third and seven. I don't know.

1038
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: I feel like Texas Tech fans could probably be in

1039
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: a great position to answer this question. How has it

1040
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: felt having an incredible offense all these years and not

1041
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: having much to show for it? That's the frustrating part.

1042
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: Whereas on the flip side, if you're an Iowa fan,

1043
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: you've got some stuff to show for it. It hasn't

1044
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: been fun to watch, hadn't always been pretty, but at

1045
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: least there are some things you have to show for it.

1046
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: They've definitely gone further than Texas Tech.

1047
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you had three years of Patrick Mahomes

1048
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: or three years of Greg Newsom star cornerback for Northwestern,

1049
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: which are you opting for?

1050
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: It feels like an extreme example. It is one hundred percent.

1051
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: For example, I'll due respect to Greg Newsom, who was very,

1052
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: very good, but I'm just saying you get to align

1053
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: yourself with a star quarterback and the experience that comes

1054
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: with that, albeit with a defense not holding up there

1055
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: end of the bargain, losing games forty eight to forty five,

1056
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: or just like you're rooting for ten seven games, you're

1057
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: sitting there on the couch where like, sure, you seem

1058
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: like you might be in it longer because it's thirteen

1059
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: to ten, but also three points might seem untenable for

1060
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: large stretches. That's more depressing to me. I don't know.

1061
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: I guess it depends on your definition of entertaining. Is

1062
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: your definition of entertaining just a lot of points and

1063
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: fun plays out there on offense, or you actually trying

1064
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 2: to win the game. If you're trying to win the game,

1065
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: the answers defense.

1066
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: I think the experience of losing a game forty eight

1067
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: to forty five is better than winning a game ten

1068
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: to seven, right, I mean, that's that's who we are

1069
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: as people. I'm sure there are people listening who find

1070
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: me to be very ive a defense.

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm stunned that you would give the offense answer,

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Speaker 2: now usual to offensive guy this podcast.

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Speaker 1: The question isn't what is the more difficult way to

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Speaker 1: get to ten wins? It's with a bad defense, that's

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Speaker 1: the answer. Right. It's easier to get to ten wins

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Speaker 1: with a half team with a great defense than it

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Speaker 1: is a great offense and a bad other side.

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Speaker 2: It's very much tracks with who you and I are

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Speaker 2: as college football fans, because I am You're You're all

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Speaker 2: about the experience, about the journey, about spelling the roses

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Speaker 2: along the way, and I'm about winning games and winning

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Speaker 2: the playoff Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Of course that's what says winning postseason games and playoff

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Speaker 1: games like Notre Dame fandom, right, nothing says it. Look

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Speaker 1: trust me as somebody who roots for a team who's

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Speaker 1: won a playoff game and has gone playoff games multiple

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Speaker 1: scoring touchdowns, I think I've got the experience, all right.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to one and all for sending in your

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Speaker 2: find us on social media. You can also find us

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Speaker 2: out at soliverbo at gmail dot com. As always, We

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Speaker 2: read all the emails. We can't respond to most of them.

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Speaker 2: We apologize for that, but keep sending them in. We

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Speaker 2: Don't forget to hit subscribe and make sure you get

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Speaker 2: all of our episodes. If you enjoyed this one. We've

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Speaker 2: got previews coming down the line. We've got an awesome

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Speaker 2: know everybody's going to be really excited about. Much more

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Speaker 1: Tye left his job, his day job, a year ago,

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Speaker 1: one year because of people supporting the show. I don't

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Speaker 1: choose to look at people as verballers, you know, people

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Speaker 1: on Patreon and people elsewhere that are not subscribers. I

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Speaker 1: look at the people who listen to the show who

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Speaker 1: the discord community, as pre verballers. Right, they are p

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Speaker 1: pre Patreon for ballers, looking for just that extra thing

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Speaker 1: to tip them over the edge. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about our season, our in season benefits here shortly. It's

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Speaker 1: like a stranger's just a friend you haven't met.

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Speaker 2: Tye, right, right, that's very prophetic.

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Speaker 1: I think. Is that street car name desire? I know

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Speaker 1: it was on the Simpsons musical version of a street

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Speaker 1: car name Desire. But a stranger's just a friend you

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Speaker 1: haven't met. So we're all pre forballers. They're just verballers

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Speaker 1: who have yet to really see the fun behind the

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Speaker 1: Patreon curtain. So that's that's terrific and tie. Honestly, this

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Speaker 1: has been a terrific show. I'm not going to keep

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Speaker 1: you up, keep you, keep you on the horn any

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Speaker 1: longer because I know lunch is right around the corner

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Speaker 1: and you are just waiting. Isn't how good is this?

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Speaker 2: Humanity cannot unhear this music, that's the problem with it.

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Speaker 1: I just love that I searched waiting on hold song

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Speaker 1: and it was like the first thing that came up.

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Speaker 1: Shout out opus one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: for myself, ty Hilda Brand, thanks so much for downloading, listening,

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Speaker 2: supporting wherever you may be.

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Speaker 1: Cock you on a few days and meantime, stay solved, peace,