1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Ron Anian amazed that you know how the mileage on 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: the cars is going to up enough? Right car? Yeah, 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: because cars are lasting longer. Maybe car companies are gonna 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: have to start to make parts available longer. O ho ho, 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: it's the Car Doctor. You take your finger, take your 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: index finger and hold it down tightly in the bottom 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: left corner of the screen. There's no button, there's no 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: mark there. You'll hold your finger down on the bottom 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: left corner of the navigation screen for fifteen to thirty seconds, 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: and magically another screen pops up. Welcome to the radio 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: home of ron Andanian, the Car Doctor. Since this is 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. The 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: garage doors are open, but I am here to take 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: your calls at eight five five five six and now 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: hous focus Focus, It's You're lucky day running. Hey, start 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: your engines all on and welcome running any of the 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: car Doctor here at a five five five zero zero, 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: Here to take your calls and answer your questions. More 21 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: information about us a Car Doctor show dot com and 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: of course we're out on Facebook running any of the 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. I should point out that I can talk 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: about that as we kick go off this hour with 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. Thanks for stopping by and joining us today. 26 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: We know you've got a lot of choices. We're glad 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: to have you here with us. If you've got a 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: car and it's got a problem, we're here to talk 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: to you about it. That's what this radio show is. 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: Of course, there's podcasting at Car Doctor show dot com 31 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: and things like that, and you know a lot of 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: you do podcast us, but um, in any way, shape 33 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: or form, however you communicate with us, we're glad to 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: help you solve your car's problems. Had a two thousand 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: eleven Ford Edge come into the shop this week. It 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: was a m uh came in from another shop. They 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: were doing a computer and they needed somebody to flash 38 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the computer. And as always I said, you know, I 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: need some keys and we're gonna have to probably reflash 40 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: uh relearn the key system. Uh once we you know, 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: swap out the PCM and and you know, do the programming. 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Programming is where you you know, you put a new 43 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: computer in, take the old computer, throw it out or 44 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: exchange it and you have to put software in. It 45 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: needs an operating system, just like your desktop computer, Windows seven, 46 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: Windows ten, et cetera. So I did the the you know, 47 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: PCM swap and updated the software, and of course the 48 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: car wouldn't start because now it didn't recognize the keys. 49 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: There were no keys in the system. And you know, 50 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: I was always taught that when you do a reman 51 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: computer and a replacement computer, uh, you know, do a 52 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: do an ignission key code erasure. So you go in 53 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: with the Ford ideas to factory scan tool and you 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: have to wait ten minutes to get security access, and 55 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: you go through that and um, it gains access, figuring 56 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: if you're a thief, you're not sticking around for six 57 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: d seconds to try and steal the car. Of course, 58 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody would want to steal a set 59 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: in your old edge, but regardless, Um, you know, when 60 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: you get to the screen where a race ignition key codes, okay, 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: so we erasing the ignition key codes. Things were going 62 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: pretty good up to this point, and then the car 63 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: stopped communicating with the scan tool. All of a sudden 64 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: it went and that was it. Now you have to 65 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: understand what happened there when the car lost communication with 66 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: the scan tool, I now have to start all over, 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: and I still had to learn the key code into 68 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: the system. I had to do a parameter reset, key 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: code relearned. Whichever method we're gonna do in order to 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: get the car to run on a regular basis. Here's 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: the rub, all right, you can't well to do to 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: do a reflesh what you have to do. You have 73 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: to turn the key on. Right If the key codes 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: aren't learned and there's a smart button car, the car 75 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: won't turn on because it doesn't know if the guy 76 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: pushing the button is you know, somebody that owns it 77 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: or somebody that's trying to steal it. So you can't 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: turn the ignition on to program the key codes that 79 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: you're just erased because the car hiccuped. So now you've 80 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: got to find a workaround. Well, evidently there aren't too 81 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: many workarounds, although I did find one. After about fifteen 82 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: twenty minutes of reading, I came across some conversation where 83 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: they talked about the body computer. You can gain access 84 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: to the body computer, do a parameter reset there, and 85 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: then once you do that, back your way into a 86 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: do a reset on the PCM. Well, long story short, 87 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: in order to do all this, you have to take 88 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: the key, the smart fob and Fords have a placeholder. 89 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: In this particular case, it was in the center console 90 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: glove compartment, so I you know, and they're always in 91 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: a different place. It's like the engineer says, well, good, 92 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: now that they know where it is, let's move it. 93 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna put it back. Why why because 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: he life? You know, let's make a miserable. So you know, 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the center console glove compartment and I'm saying, okay, 96 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: let's see there's a registration, there's nothing under the ruver matt. 97 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: There's gum and the gum holder. There's some change in 98 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: the change pocket. Wait a minute, gum and the gum holder. 99 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: When the hell did four put gum holders in their consoles? 100 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: And I look, I get a flashlight and I look. 101 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: Because it kind of goes underneath, it's hard to the 102 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: customer had put some Wriggley's juicy fruit where the key goes. 103 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: There was the gum holder. I guess. I mean they 104 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: were organized. Took the gum out of the gum holder, 105 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: and I was able to go through and relearn, and 106 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: the point becomes the fragility of all this. You know, 107 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: look at where the problem is here some engineer, you know, 108 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: and they put it in a different spot on just 109 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: about every model year and on sometimes on different cars. 110 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Why can't we come up with a nice standard location 111 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: for it. Why can't we put all the modules under 112 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: the dashboard and and make the place for the key 113 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: to the glove compartment at least that it will be 114 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: in the same spot, put on the top left side, 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: not the and it is. Actually I can't fault the 116 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: customer because it looked natural to me. It looked like 117 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: a gum holder. It looked like a place you put candy. 118 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: It's it's long, and it just slid in. And cars 119 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: are getting very technical and the ability to upkeep, not 120 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: just from an expertise and a training point of view, 121 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: but information and parts and serviceability. We are and we're 122 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: knocking on the door. You can feel it and you 123 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: can hear it. We're knocking on the door of throwing 124 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: that car away. It's coming because it's not gonna You're 125 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: not gonna have the time to fix it. And I 126 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: don't know if it will happen in the next five years, 127 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: ten years, twenty years my lifetime, I think it will. 128 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: But it's gonna be very interesting to see where the 129 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: next five to seven years take the automobile industry, because 130 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: the outmobile industry is such a big part of our economy. Um. 131 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: I was at a deli real quick in the well, 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: open the garage doors, say it's a deli three or 133 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: four days ago, getting breakfast in the morning, and you know, 134 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: you're it's like everywhere else, right, there's a deli in there. 135 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: They're they're playing the cable commercials and the local Nissan 136 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: dealer is advertising a Nissan CenTra for seventy nine dollars 137 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: a month on lease. Why would you buy a car? 138 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: Why would you want to own a car seventy nine 139 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: bucks a month? You know, just drive it for eighty 140 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: dollars a month. Drive it, beat the heck out of it, 141 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: turn it in three years. Every every month you got 142 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: an eighty dollar a month car payment. You don't care 143 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: what happens to it. It could blow up, break roll over, 144 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's of course, I doubt that they 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 1: go out the door for eighty dollars. I you know, besides, 146 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: it's a Nissan. UM you know that's no fifty five 147 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: Chevy um So, but just just point a contention. So anyway, 148 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: let's let's kick the garage doors open. Let's go over 149 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: to Brent in Iowa nine Dodge Intrepid. Brent, this car 150 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: is too old. It's gotta go. The car police are 151 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: gonna come and get you. That's what I'm thinking here, Ron, 152 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: And the way you make it sounded it's already disposable. 153 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: Well you know what it's. It's and I'm not for it. 154 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm just saying. And a lot of this is out 155 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: of the control of the technician. Man, it's you know, 156 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: they're just they're just don't make parts available. So what 157 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: do you got. What's going on with this dodging trepid? Yep, 158 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: it's an e S and it has its automatic temperature 159 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: control ATC and the inside of it. When I was 160 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: driving down the road this summer, it automatically just started 161 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: blowing out heat during the middle of the summer, out 162 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: the out the defrost, and out the floorboard. So I 163 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: drove it home and I took off the battery cables 164 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: and pulled the fuses out, just thinking that I would 165 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: have to reset the computer in there. Some way or 166 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: another that it just kind of went bad when I 167 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: turned it all back on. Then I had air conditioning 168 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: blowing out the vent during the summer, so I was 169 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: good to go. Come winter now and I needed the defrost. 170 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: I went to go at the defrost button. It doesn't switch, 171 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't go to either one. It it just stays 172 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: blowing out and like the temperature just doesn't get it's 173 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: hot as cold as what it was before. And so 174 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: I pressed. You have to press like the down the 175 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: frost button, the panel button, and the four button all 176 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: at the same time, and it takes to go to 177 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: a self diagnosis. Yeah, it's like it's like, yeah, yeah, 178 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. So it doesn't go through the self diagnosis. No, 179 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: it sure doesn't. It just keeps a just sit there 180 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: and just keeps you know, I left it on for 181 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: five hours and then you know, I just didn't do anything. 182 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: He just kept flashing, and then you know, I've never 183 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: fixed the problem. I mean, it sounds from my seed 184 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: here like you've got a fault with the with the 185 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: tempt control head, which would not be uncommon. So but 186 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: now and and I and I looked, and I looked 187 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: into that and I got one of those through on 188 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: the eBay and it was a hundred dollar apart, you know, 189 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: and somebody has supposedly rebuilt it and I put it 190 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: in there and it's the exact same scenario that is 191 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: still will not go to a self diagnosis. Okay, did 192 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: you did you happen? Well? Yeah, Now the problem is 193 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: is that the part is that the rebuild partners at 194 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: the vehicle. So the question, the question I've got is 195 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: did you happen to get your hands on any reference material? 196 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: Vehicle will not go through self test? No? I sure didn't. 197 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, all this literature is, you know, it's kind 198 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: of hard to come by, and you have to, you know, 199 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: spend hours and hours and hours and dwelling through you know, 200 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: other people's posts in order to try to get some 201 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: kind of you know, well formula. Let me let me 202 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: make it easy for you. You You got a pencil ron 203 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: at card doctor show dot com. Okay, trust me, I 204 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: know this guy, he's pretty sharp. He'll he'll find information 205 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: for you. Just send me an email, Brent, give me 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: the VIN, give me the seventeen digit VIN and reference 207 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: our phone call here, and I'm sure I'll dive into 208 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: all data. When I'm back in the shop on Monday. Uh. 209 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: You know, all Dad has got a great all Dad 210 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: has got a great reference library, and they've got great 211 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: solid information and they'll keep something going back that far 212 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: for certain, and if anybody will have it, they will. 213 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: And I'll sit down and I'll see what all Data 214 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: has and I'm sure they won't mind if I email 215 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: your one or two pieces of information and uh, help 216 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: move your day along and at least then maybe we 217 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: can get your pointed in the right direction. All right, brother, Okay, yep, 218 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: I was let get off the song, but I was 219 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: kind of thinking that it was the body control module 220 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, I mean, listen, how do you 221 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: get those flashed? If if your mechanic won't won't do 222 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: that for you? Well, the issue is it's not that 223 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: he won't. He probably can't. He needs a star mobile 224 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: scan very old piece of Chrysler diagnostic equipment. Chrysler. I 225 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, you know, when two hundre years from now, 226 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: when they look up failed companies of the of the 227 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: twenty one century, Chrysler is gonna be at the top 228 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: of the list. Because when it comes to shooting yourself 229 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: in the foot in terms of making the product available 230 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: and user friendly and technician friendly and like you know, 231 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: people actually want to a drive him and be work 232 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: on them. Christ is gonna be right at the top 233 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: of the list. Is a company that that just failed 234 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: that that objective, you know right now for a shop 235 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: to be Chrysler dealer level friendly, same scan tool as 236 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: the dealer It's somewhere around thirty s d bucks for 237 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: the initial tool, and it's seventeen or eighteen hundred dollars 238 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: a year for licensing. It's it's so cost prohibitive that yeah, 239 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: I listen, I was reading an article the other day 240 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: and I'm kind of curious to see what happens. So 241 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: beginning in model year eighteen. And I could be wrong 242 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: as of this conversation, but my understanding is, beginning in 243 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: model year eighteen, there's no scan tool on the market, 244 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: no scan tool on the market other than dealer level 245 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: that will access the Christler because of the security restrictions 246 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: put in place by the government. All right, if you 247 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: if you go to YouTube and search Jeep Grand Cherokee 248 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: self driving, it's the one where the guys took over 249 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: the jeep and you know, made it drive like I 250 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: was supposed to. Well, that created the stirn. The government 251 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: they made christ Or put some security functionality in their 252 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: in their car, so it's control that can't be controlled 253 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: from the outside, and now it's affecting the scan tool business. 254 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: Christ there's not mechanic friendly, much less consumer friendly. Send 255 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: me an email and let's let's see what I can 256 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: get you some information. We'll go from there. All right, Bright, 257 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: you take good care. I'm run any of the car doctor. 258 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: We're back right after this. Hey, welcome drives that way. 259 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: But when it comes to fixing cars, Ron has card 260 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: advice done right eight five five five zero zero zero. 261 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: Here's Rod. Now it's my turn. Way that Tom. He's 262 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: always trying to honk the microphone. Did you notice that 263 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, Thomas, it might turn I thought, okay, 264 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: good Tom gave me a permission. Folks. Let's go talk 265 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: to Glenn and Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love. Twelve Accura. Yes, Glenn, 266 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: what can I do for you? Hey? Ron, thanks for 267 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: taking my call. You're welcome, sir. What's going on? Question 268 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: on the versus the r d X that the earlier 269 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: model has the four cylinder turbo and then they switched 270 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: over to the six cylinder, and I just wanted to 271 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: get your opinion on the reliability. You know, can that 272 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: four cylinder turbo you know, go to distance if you 273 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: maintain or or is it just fired to get the 274 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: the six? I think and I think I think this 275 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: in general and a lot of vehicles. All right. I 276 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: don't think it's just the accurate, but I think the 277 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: V six is probably my choice versus the turbo anything. 278 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: And I'll and I'll tell you why, all right, if 279 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: if I have the choice, now you know, yeah, I 280 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: get it. The turbo is going to have better fuel 281 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: economy likely, um, and it's got a little bit more power, 282 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: a little more open the V six. But I always 283 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: think in terms of longevity, and I also think in 284 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: terms of how am I keeping the car? If I'm 285 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: leasing it and I'm driving the car three or four years, 286 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't matter to me. I don't care 287 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: if it blow U up. It's under warranty. Uh, to 288 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: be honest with you, UM, you know, nobody's interested in 289 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: maintaining a lease car. They're just not, which you know 290 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: is my second question? Where where did this car come from? This? 291 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: This this twelve Accura of their thirteen accurate? Are they 292 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: coming off lease? You know? And do you have do 293 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: you have maintenance records? And I don't mean maintenance records 294 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: like you know the dealer shows you where the book 295 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: says we changed the oil every five or eight or 296 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: ten thousand miles. I want to see real maintenance records 297 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: that somebody had a hand in this and you know 298 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: was making more than just you know, buy the book 299 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: engineering decisions on when to change oil and how to 300 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: maintain it um if that makes any sense to you. 301 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: I I like the idea of the V six verse 302 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: to turbo also because on the on the turbo, you know, 303 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: that turbo gets a d forty thousand miles on it. 304 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: As you said, the distance you know at a hundred 305 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: and forty on the fourth cylinder turbo and a hundred 306 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: and forty on that V six. Guess what, the V 307 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: six doesn't have a turbo to break. The V six 308 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have to go through the the extra expensive added 309 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: maintenance because of that turbot, which in my opinion, has 310 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: to be performed. All cars today are very from what 311 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm seeing, very maintenance maintenance centric. There's a there's a 312 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: high requirement for maintenance. But I I just don't get 313 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: with the turbo adds. You know, it's it's it's if 314 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: you've got an extreme purpose, if you know you're gonna 315 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: you're you're gonna really stay on top of it. But 316 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: in order to really stay on top of the maintenance, 317 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: you had to buy it when it was new, right, 318 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: because anybody can show you a book and you know 319 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: what was done. Um, you know, listen, I know I 320 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: know some unscrupulous mechanics on both sides of the fence. 321 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: They take great pride in showing me their bottom toolbox 322 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: strow with all these oil filters, air filters, cabin filters, 323 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: things that people paid for that never got changed that 324 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: they're just trying to figure out what to do with 325 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: it happens. That's that's my industry. Brother. Um, you know 326 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: they're not there. There's there's there's deception all over the place. 327 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: And it's not just mechanics. It's life today. It's been 328 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: that way for a long time. But I I'm a 329 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: very hands on guy. I'm a very you know I 330 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: have I have a little O C D. And I 331 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: admit it, you know, I want to I want to 332 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: see it. Um, But I think that's what you guys 333 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: love about me. I think that's what you know. I 334 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: think that's what kind of made me what I am. 335 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: That that I'm always you know, looking at the next step. 336 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: Why is that like that? Why is that doing that? Um? 337 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: You know. So, if I have a choice, I'm gonna 338 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: take the V six h. The other The other thing 339 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: I'm also gonna take is I'm always gonna take. I'm 340 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: always gonna take mileage and year. Um, I'm always gonna 341 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm always gonna I'm generally gonna vote for mileage if 342 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: I've got If I've got a fourteen with a hundred 343 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it and a twelve or a thirteen 344 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: with fifty thousand miles on it, I'm probably gonna take 345 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: the twelve if there if the cars are identical. Otherwise, 346 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's mileage is always a good thing. 347 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: So you know, I thought you were going to say 348 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: the reverse, because I've heard you say, you know, you 349 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: can have a high mileage car and the low mileage 350 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: trying to load mileage car because it's older, it's back 351 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: or an age anyway. Yeah, like I said, it depends 352 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: on condition. You know, it's it's I guess the best 353 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: way to leave that is you got to look at 354 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: in both cases, have a mechanic, go through both and 355 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: and weigh out all the pros and cons. So there's 356 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: there's good and bad and both of those. All right, kid, 357 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: I'll call me back. Let me know want you decide. 358 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm on any of the car Doctor. We are back 359 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: right after this. We welcome back any of the car Doctor. 360 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: Let's go over and talk to Let's go to Alex 361 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: and Delaware. Oh seven, jeap grand Cherokee, Alex. What do 362 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: you got? Yeah? I was coming back on a four 363 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: hour trip and idiot like came on for the oil. 364 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: So I got off the next second and got an 365 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: oil change, get back on the highway and a little 366 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: bit down the road the oil light comes on again. 367 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: When when when when you say oil light, Alex, you 368 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: mean the red dash light? Correct? Yeah, the little oil 369 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: can ony okay, yeah. And I tried YouTube to see 370 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: what they had to say, and the menus step reset 371 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: buttons didn't seem to address it. Um And then they 372 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: said too if it's on the gas three times, well no, no, 373 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no time. If this is if this 374 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: is a red light on the dashboard, looks like the 375 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: Genie in the can, looks like the little Genie, the 376 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: little Genie icon. All right, this is this is you know, 377 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: that's the warning light. If you look at the owner's manual, 378 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: that should tell you that that's the warning light for 379 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: low oil pressure. So so now the question becomes is 380 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: it really low oil pressure or is it is it 381 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: a is it a faulty sending unit, wiring or instrument clusters? 382 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: So let me ask you the hard question. The engines 383 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: running the like came on? How much further did you 384 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: have until you got home? Okay, so you drove the 385 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: car an hour with the oil pressure light on, right, 386 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: so we know it's not oil pressure. Car won't run 387 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: an hour with no oil pressure, right, fair assumption. Right, 388 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: you know there's there's there's no excess noises coming from 389 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: the engine. It sounds normal like it did. Okay, then 390 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: nothing wrong, nothing else wrong? Then you know what the 391 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: mechanic needs to the the ideally ideally, you know what 392 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: we want to do is we want to put a 393 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: mechanical gauge in there and check oil pressure. We should 394 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: see four or five pounds at idle and at three 395 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: thousand rpm somewhere between s I but I think you've 396 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: already got that. All right, Um, the next thing we're 397 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: gonna do is, let's look up a scan tool. We 398 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: should be able to look at the oil pressure sending 399 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 1: unit on a scan tool, and we should see the 400 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: voltage change. We should see the voltage you know, started 401 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: around half of volt Well, we don't know that it 402 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: would be. It would be, it's gonna be high. Is 403 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: the problem? All right? Disconnected? Disconnect the sending unit and 404 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: the the voltage on the scan tool should go to 405 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: around four and a half five vaults. If it does, 406 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: it shows the circuit is working and the harness is good. 407 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: And then you know, you should see between five and 408 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: twelve vaults on the signal line going to the sender, 409 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: the violet gray. If that all check is good, it's 410 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: a bad sender. Very common. Make sure when you make sure, 411 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: make sure when you buy a sending unit you get 412 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: one from Chrysler. All right, okay, So, so after an 413 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: oil change, is this like something that would occur or 414 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: was it just well no for this, Well, maybe I 415 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: misunderstood you. You said you were driving, the light came on, 416 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: you got an oil change, and the light was still 417 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: on correct right? Well, if if if the light was 418 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: on the the same red light was on before and 419 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: after the oil change. What makes you think that's telling 420 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: you that it's time for an oil change? Has got 421 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. What was the I'm on 422 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: the highway and haven't done change in a while. I 423 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: figured it might be do and I hadn't neglected it 424 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: too long. Well, so I guess the question comes back 425 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: to how long it had been since you change the oil? Well, 426 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: I bought the car two years ago, so it was 427 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't like where this is done. Okay, so it's 428 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: been too So it's been two years since you change 429 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: the oil? And how many miles is that? Um? Probably 430 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: about I don't really drive it that much, so hopefully 431 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: there was oil in it. I'll tell you what, brother, 432 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: I would definitely get that car into a mechanic I 433 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: would have him checked mechanical oil pressure. I would have 434 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: him do an oil analysis. I'd probably be changing that oil. 435 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: Only get in a thousand miles and stay on top 436 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: of it. Because the way you're going you don't have 437 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: to worry about the oil light. I'm not being a 438 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: wise guy. You're gonna be putting an engine in that 439 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: car um the fourth seven those that year generation jeep 440 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: doesn't hold up well to abusive oil changes, and that's 441 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: what you're doing to it. Gotta change the oil on 442 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: a regular basis. Do that. If you have any questions, 443 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: call me back. Let's get over to Robin tennessee not 444 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: need not explore a P zero four forty three. Robert, 445 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: where do we stand with this car? You've done any 446 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: more diagnosis to it? Yeah? I did what you recommended. 447 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: The check the red wire with a key on engine 448 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: off is like eleven point six, it's got yeah, yeah, 449 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: I'll still check the battery eleven point six. Uh. And 450 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: then the green wire with a black price uh. Unflooded 451 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: the PCM and check the continuity from ten sitty six 452 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: back to the plug and it looks good. And checked 453 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 1: it with a home meter right and then and then 454 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 1: before go ahead ahead, I was gonna say, and then 455 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: and then, but then you went after the canister purge. 456 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: Did you try grounding that light green black at the 457 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: PCM and and doesn't click, doesn't make any noise that 458 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: you look at amperage draw No. Before I spoke with you, 459 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: I had unplugged the lion at the vapor management valve 460 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: and hooked the vote meter to it and started the 461 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: vehicle and it was had like six volts and it 462 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: would cycle up to thirteen and then it would step 463 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: back down to six, back to thirteen. So it sure 464 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: sounds like it's trying to apply it, and it sure 465 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: sounds like it's applying. What it's doing is the PCM 466 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: is looking at voltage and amperage drop or draw on 467 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: that line to decide if if if you know, it 468 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: tells the canister purge to purge, and it it decides 469 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: by looking at voltage readings whether or not it's actually happening. 470 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: So the question here is the question here is is 471 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: it the PCM or is at the purge valve canister 472 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: purge is under the battery tray. Happen to look at that, 473 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: but I had before I spoke with you. I removed 474 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: the old one and applied TOIL votes to it, and 475 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: I thought I should be able to hear the sole 476 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: annoyed clicking in it, but it was completely silent. So 477 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: I replaced it with a new one before I spoke 478 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: with you, so it has a has a new one 479 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: on it. Also during this time when that code said, 480 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if it has anything to do with 481 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: this or not. The I'm only able to fill the 482 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: gas tank like three fourth. Now, of course it could 483 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: be the gas gage, but it seemed like when this 484 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: code said that was only it would only show three 485 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: fourth fool when I feeled the gas tank. Yeah, I don't. 486 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: I don't see a connection between filling the tank and 487 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: this fault, because this fault has to do with the 488 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: PCM deciding whether there's an electrical control fault of the 489 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: canister purge solenoid, so you know, and I don't. I 490 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: don't see it opening up purge in order to fill 491 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: the tank. It it might open up the vents so 492 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: it releases pressure. Um, you know you something I was 493 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: gonna say. You may want to pull the vent line 494 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: off at the rear and go fill it up and 495 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: see if that helps. Does that allow you to fill 496 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: it up? Which? Or do we have an obstruction in 497 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: the fill neck or do we have an obstruction in 498 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: the tank? Uh? Could the could the vapor canister be 499 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: bad or something causing this code? It's it's like it's 500 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: no flow into this. Uh, well it shouldn't. It shouldn't 501 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: see it on A four forty three. What it's doing 502 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: is um it's looking at fuel tank pressure sensor to 503 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: decide if the systems going into a vacuum or pressure state. 504 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: But there are other codes for that. So so you know, 505 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: let's let's try attacking this from what do we know? 506 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: That's good? Why can't we fill the gas tank? If 507 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: you take the vent off at the tank and you 508 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: still can't fill the tank, then either the vent at 509 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: the tank is clogged, right, or we've got some sort 510 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: of an obstruction in the fill neck. Uh does that 511 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: vent valves on the tank? It's electrically operated, isn't it? 512 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: Or does it just have an event? It's it's it's not. 513 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: It's electrically operating. They have to electrically. They have to 514 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: electronically control it because they've got to be able to 515 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: close the event at proper times. Okay, so let's see 516 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: what removing the vent thoes for us, and then call 517 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: me back next week. Okay, all right, sir, thank you, 518 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: you're very welcome. Stay in touch five zero nine zero zero. 519 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: The car doctor is coming back right after this. Animals 520 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: need advice on how to maintain that classic g t 521 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: O ron is the guy eight five, five, five, six 522 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. Here's Ron John Maryland fifteen 523 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: toyot at the comma. How can I help, sir hey 524 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: Roan talk so comma And I just noticed recently a 525 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: sound on It's only above six where if I take 526 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: my foot completely off the gas, there's this little almost 527 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: sound like rubbing sound for one or two seconds, and 528 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: then when I reapply the gas it's the same sound 529 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: again or second and the rest of the time it's fun. Right. 530 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: If I am accelerating and hit it a little harder, 531 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: no sound, or if I decelerate, no sound. It's only 532 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: coming totally on or totally off from the front of 533 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: the vehicle rear of the vehicle. It sounds to be 534 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: from the front from the front. So why can't this 535 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: just be normal underhood engine noise if you change the 536 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: air and take system at all. I haven't the truck. 537 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: The truck is dude is turned. I've had it for 538 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 1: less than a year and I never noticed the sound before. 539 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: And that's kind of one of the reasons I would 540 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: I call it too, to see if perhaps it is 541 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: just a normal sound. You know, it might be. There's 542 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: a lot of resonance under the hood of these vehicles 543 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: today sometimes and I'm not saying yours does or doesn't, 544 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: but you know, you start to look at some of 545 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: these cars, I'll have plastic under the hood, bonnets that 546 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: sit over the top of the engines, and certain ducting 547 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: and all that stuff is there for a reason. I 548 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: would just tell you to look at yours if does 549 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: anything look like it's missing, Does anything look like it's 550 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: out of place? Chances are it's not, but you know, 551 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: just something to be aware of. Second question, any dashboard 552 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: warning lights on, so you know if if if there's 553 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: one thing that's real critical to a modern engine, it's airflow. 554 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: And trust me, if there was a fault, a vacuum leak, 555 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: something coming in from the wrong angle, they'd have a 556 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: check engine light on three days ago to to warn you, 557 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, to make you a where um you know, so, yeah, 558 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: it's it's it's I'm gonna say it's it's likely a 559 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: normal sound. Have you had it serviced recently where somebody 560 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: might have had the air filter or the air and 561 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: take box off apart was three or four months ago, 562 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: And I'm taking it in this week for oil change 563 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: in just general because maybe something's just not sitting right, 564 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: and that could be it as well, right right, right, 565 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: all right, awesome, appreciate You're very welcome, sir. Have a 566 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: good rest of the day. Let's go over to Phil 567 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: in Vermont, Phil Leving GMC. What's going on here? Long 568 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: time listener than you. Hey, um, this is a two 569 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: thousand uh eleven GMC. So we got thirty three thou 570 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: miles on it, and today I had to go to 571 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: the building Spoly place and I hupped in it and 572 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: I took it out of parks and they the little 573 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 1: needles thing didn't tell me what gios in. So it 574 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: doesn't show reverse neutral. It just doesn't show you drive. No, 575 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't move out of the park. Okay, 576 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: So you know, do we have a mechanical failure or 577 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: an electronic failure of the cluster and I'm I'm being 578 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: hypothetical here, or do we have something else deeper going on? 579 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: The first thing I would do is I would plug 580 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: in a scan tool eight Do I have any fault codes? 581 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: And not for any other reason, just to say that 582 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: I did it. But you know, inside a scan tool, 583 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna look go by year, make model. If I 584 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: go under transmission. It's going to show me an electronic prindle, park, reverse, drive, neutral, 585 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. Um, you know, if the trans shows if 586 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: the trans is in park and the scan tool shows park, 587 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: and then I put it in reverse and the and 588 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: the scan tool shows reverse, that tells me that the 589 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: signal from the trans to shift is correct. All right, 590 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: That tells me that my fault is likely somewhere else. 591 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: Then I would look to see do I have a 592 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: BCM or an i PC module, instrument panel, cluster or 593 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: body computer and again same thing if they give me 594 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: those pits. But we're trying to do is we're trying 595 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: to use the scantel to decide is the signal coming 596 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: out of the switch correct such that it's feeding the 597 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: scan tool, or is the fault somewhere else such that 598 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: it's not the switch, it's the where it's going, it's 599 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: the cluster and the other go ahead. The other weird 600 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: thing was when I went to buckle my seat bell, 601 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: the light on the dashting go out when I buckled up. Okay, 602 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: then then let's do let's do this all right, take 603 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: it to your mechanic, ask for a complete system or 604 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: module skin. Let's look at all the modules. There's a 605 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: lot of people on the on the data line on 606 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: this bus. All right, Do we have any fault codes? 607 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: Do we have any communication issues? All right? And if 608 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: we do, if we don't, then let's do what I said. 609 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: Let's go through scan tool and are are the modules 610 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: signaling correctly to the cluster to go from park, reverse, neutral, drive, 611 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: et cetera. And then if that checks out, yeah, okay, 612 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: it's it's it's getting proper signal. Then let's go through powers, 613 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,239 Speaker 1: grounds and fuse circuits for the instrument cluster. Did we 614 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: somehow blow a fuse for some reason? And then we 615 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: can It seems like when I hopped out of it 616 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: when I first got here because I'm working on a 617 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: department house and I let I get out, and I 618 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: thought I'd smelled something hot. But well, so yeah, let's 619 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: let's let's be sure. So let's go and see if 620 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: if a fuse is possibly blown, and if so, as 621 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: it related to the smell, is something shorted somewhere? But 622 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: those three steps would be logical to me as the 623 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: first steps to take. Thanks for the call, five zero zero. 624 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: The car doctor is coming back right after this. Hey, 625 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: warning the car doctor here let's uh do a quick 626 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: piece of well, I want to do this. Okay, we're 627 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: gonna do a segwe here. Watch this. This is radio 628 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: high Ron an Indian, So hitting a pothole with your 629 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: car can do a real number on tires, wheel steering, 630 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: and suspension, according to the Car Care Council, and they 631 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: urge motorists to watch for the three warning signs loss 632 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: of control swaying when making turns, pulling in one direction 633 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: instead of maintaining a straight path, uneven tire wear, and 634 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: low tire pressure. Bulges or blisters on the sidewalls. If 635 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: you hit a pothole, it can be difficult to know 636 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: if into what extent your car has been damaged, said 637 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: Rich White, executive director of the Car Care Council. More 638 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: carcare dot org. And you know what riches absolutely right 639 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: from Janice. Janice writes in Hey Ron, I've got a jeep. 640 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: It's slightly jacked up and had the death wobble that 641 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: was taken care of. I had hit some hootholes, Rich White, 642 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: he was right, there we go right now. It feels 643 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: like it's pulling on the road. I want to know 644 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: if changing the tires and rooms is something smaller would 645 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: help make it more friendly. Your thoughts, I'll tell you what, Jannis, 646 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: what you've got to do. Listen, the car care counsel's 647 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: aren't percent right. Potholes can wreak havoc on suspension and tires, 648 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: and it's a lot of unknown. You don't know what's 649 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: laying beneath the surface, so to speak. So obviously, a 650 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: good look at suspension, a good look at steering. Everything's tight, 651 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: Everything is the way it's supposed to be. No broken 652 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: springs front or back. A vehicle that pulls can have 653 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: a problem in the rear axle, creating that poll, creating 654 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: that problem. All right, so let's do that. What if 655 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: we rotate the tires. What if we take the left front, 656 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: move it to the right front, swap him side to side. 657 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: Does that change the direction of the pull or the wander? 658 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: And then yes, perhaps changing the smaller tires will give 659 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: you a better ride. And don't forget to check the alignment. 660 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm rondingating in the car doctor, reminding you good mechanics 661 00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: aren't expensive, they're priceless. She's to sp