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Speaker 1: We made it to Bernie, we made it through spring training.

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Speaker 2: At Sunday, March twenty third, I believe it's the third

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Speaker 2: inning across the street at Roger Deane Stadium.

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Speaker 1: I am here at the Roger Deine Media workroom.

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Speaker 2: I'm Katie Wu, He's Bernie Nicholas, and this is Cardinals territory.

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Speaker 2: We have a lot to break down. Cardinals finalize their

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Speaker 2: opening day roster today. They know the twenty six players

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Speaker 2: that are going to be leaving camp with them tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, a lot to talk about. Bernie. First,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You're one of my favorite guests, and I find it

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Speaker 2: very fitting that we are talking about this episode because

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Speaker 2: there's just so much to expand on.

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Speaker 3: Well. I'm just thrilled to be able to work with you,

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Speaker 3: so thank you for the invite. And I'm going to

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Speaker 3: tell our viewers something I told you before we went

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Speaker 3: on the air. As an honor to you. I'm wearing

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Speaker 3: your Northern California roots. I'm wearing a San Francisco Seals

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Speaker 3: vintage cap. The year this cap, the season of this cap,

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Speaker 3: Joe DiMaggio was on the team, so I thought it

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Speaker 3: was only I had to do something to honor San

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Speaker 3: Francisco Bay area, so I love it very vintalage.

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Speaker 2: Anytime we bring in the area on the show, it's

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Speaker 2: a good show for me. Could not be farther from

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Speaker 2: San Francisco. Right now, I will say, I'm a Florida girl.

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Speaker 1: I like it here.

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Speaker 2: I love the weather. Being by the ocean is wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I am ready to get to Saint Louis. This this

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Speaker 2: has just been the last week grueling. But I think

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Speaker 2: with all the back and forth on what the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: what is their roster going to look like? They finally

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Speaker 2: announced that today, So let's just dive into that right now.

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Speaker 1: Bator Scott will be the opening day centerfielder.

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Speaker 2: Ali Marmal said today this is one of many moves

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Speaker 2: that the Cardinals finalized. And I told you this before

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Speaker 2: we started the show, Bernie, I knew today was just

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Speaker 2: the tea with that term, that means the team shows

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Speaker 2: up about two hours before first pitch. You do your drills,

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Speaker 2: but there's not a lot of like VP, there's not

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Speaker 2: a lot of on field stuff. You literally show up,

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Speaker 2: once I saw that on the schedule, I was like,

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Speaker 2: there is going to be a lot more than just

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Speaker 2: a couple of moves. The first one the most pressing

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Speaker 2: Victor Scott opening day center fielder Matthew Libertore is the

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Speaker 2: team's fifth starter. The Cardinals will implement a six man

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Speaker 1: Stephen Matts will serve in long relief until then, when

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Speaker 1: they implement that six man rotation, Matts will join.

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Speaker 2: The reason that they're doing this is because the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Michael McGreevey is going to start in Memphis, and that's

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Speaker 2: not something I love. Although I understand and that decision.

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Speaker 2: He was cut over the weekend. Michael Siani has made

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Speaker 2: It's going to be both. Victor Scott will start most

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Speaker 2: ultimately decided yesterday and this morning that they denied need

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Speaker 2: with Sianni still on the roster. That means the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Jose Burrow were optioned to Memphis this morning, and Zach

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Speaker 3: You go already? You're already you're degien Amy for assignment. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Yeah, a lot to unpack here. Where Where should

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's kind of sad in a way

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Speaker 3: So it's a glorious day as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 1: He's earned it.

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Speaker 2: He had a spectacular he's been in Jupiter since November,

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Speaker 2: I'm relieved they made the right decision there. It's one

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Speaker 2: thing I liked was Matthew Libertor making the rotation, which

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Speaker 2: Bernie to Ollie Marmel today and it was an extensive,

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Speaker 2: And if they're going to try to turn Libby into

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Speaker 2: exactly how they prefaced it. Ollie Marmal said, this is

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Speaker 2: to clear this up right now. Matthew Libertore is going

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Speaker 2: based on his Spring performance, earned it on the contrary,

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Speaker 2: He had a one O eight ERA two mistakes all

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Speaker 2: At least McGreevy was kind of destined to be in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that too. My first thing when I

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Speaker 3: they'll somehow diminish it somehow. So what I first thought was, Oh,

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Speaker 3: you're a reliever. No, no, you're going to start, well

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Speaker 3: So it's no disrespect to Stephen Matts, who's out a

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Speaker 1: They're not going to bring him back.

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Speaker 3: heim Bloom has something to do with Liberator going into

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, because there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: This looks like the rest of the moves.

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Speaker 2: where I'm getting a little confused. If Victor Scott is

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Speaker 3: they kind of wind up back at square one where

431
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 3: Gorman is just flailing, like in the middle of May

432
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 3: or late May or early June, where he's just it's

433
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 3: just a mess, or where Walker who has had obviously

434
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 3: because of the injury especially, he's just had a rough

435
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 3: rough spring. Are they Are they truly going to remain

436
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 3: committed to playing each one of those guys to the

437
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,160
Speaker 3: point where they're going to get five hundred, five hundred

438
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 3: and fifty played appearances? Is it is it fair to

439
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,919
Speaker 3: ask that? Is it fair to wonder about that? Do

440
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 3: you see them changing their stance on this? If those

441
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: two guys are having a really bad time. Again.

442
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: You're spot on, and I think that's the biggest question

443
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 2: for the Cardinals this year and something that we've you know,

444
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 2: alluded to spring numbers or spring numbers. I know that

445
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: Gorman and Walker have not looked great. And when we

446
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: talked about this with Ali, he didn't, you know, he

447
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: didn't discredit it. He said, yeah, this is this is

448
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: valid conversations. And I think when you lead the opening

449
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 2: to a transition year or whatever the heck we're supposed

450
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: to call it, not a rebuilt though, Uh that when

451
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: you're guaranteeing playing time for players but you're still trying

452
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: to win, how long does that guarantee extend?

453
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: And that's what we're trying to figure out.

454
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: And this is something that all I said, Hey, this

455
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: is gonna look different in thirty sixty ninety days. We're

456
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: going to have to have to constantly be reevaluating the strategy.

457
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 3: But for an.

458
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 2: Organization whose goal was to take a step back and

459
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: focus on players, and that was the sided reasoning why

460
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 2: they did not spend money minus the two million dollars

461
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: to fill Mayton like two weeks ago, and cut payroll.

462
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 1: It again goes back to.

463
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: Be in Moe's middle right to use your trademark phrase.

464
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 2: This is a team that is trying to develop its

465
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: homegrown players for the next wave of the next front office,

466
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 2: but also trying to win right now because they just

467
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: can't give it up. And it's so fair to question

468
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: if Walker and Gorman are going to have consistent advats

469
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 2: if they start to struggle, when before we were told

470
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: that that would be the case. No matter what, I

471
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 2: no longer get the sense that it.

472
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 3: Is non sen the problem will be solved, like the

473
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: Cardinals will live happily ever after, at least for twenty

474
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 3: twenty five. If if Gorman and Walker can do be

475
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: close to what they were, let's say, as a tan

476
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: have been twenty twenty three. You know, they combined for

477
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: like a four to fifty seleven excuse me, four to

478
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 3: fifty seven slugging percentage and a seven to ninety three ops.

479
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 3: I mean, that's really really good work for two very

480
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: young hitters at that time. Last year was a disaster

481
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: a three eighty nine slug six thirty eight combined ops.

482
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 3: So that's the question, are they going to get the

483
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 3: twenty three version of those guys or close to it?

484
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 3: Or are they going to get something considerably less than that,

485
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: Maybe not quite as bad as twenty twenty four, but

486
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: still not good enough. Right which tandem is going to

487
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 3: show up? There so much hinges on those guys, And

488
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 3: it's not all on them, obviously, but gosh, so much

489
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: hinges on Walker and goremet, not just one or the other,

490
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 3: but both of them as a duo, because they could

491
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: elevate this offense in a significant way, or this offense

492
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: could be on the way to crashing again if they

493
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: flop again. Yeah, a lot of pressure.

494
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: On them, it is, And that was the whole point

495
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: of the start of the season was that they wouldn't

496
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: have that pressure to perform. That if they started April

497
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 2: and they slumped, or if they came out and their

498
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: springs were not good, they wouldn't feel the pressure to

499
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: perform every day because the Cardinals were going to take

500
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: a step back from competing.

501
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: But now you're.

502
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: Thinking that Jordan Walker is not coming into opening day saying, hey,

503
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: I had a rough spring, I had a sideline a

504
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: little bit. They kept a guy on the roster and

505
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: Michael Sianni, who's going to come in as a defensive

506
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: replacement If I can't hit. You think that's not already

507
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: compounding the pressure Again, look at Nolan Gorman. You think

508
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: he's not coming in here saying, hey, I struck out

509
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: like forty percent of the time last season.

510
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: My spring has not looked good. If I don't hit.

511
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: There is an established contact with a bit more power

512
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: this year, and Alec Burlison from the left side, and

513
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: he's going to take my spot if I don't produce.

514
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: So no, where the stress is coming from is no

515
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: longer about the team making the postseason winning every game.

516
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: But there's a different amount of pressure now because even

517
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: if they don't perform for personal reasons, they're still going

518
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: to lose their spots.

519
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: I feel.

520
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: So I just wonder again, and this has been something

521
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 2: that we've talked about since the whole transition plan was unveiled.

522
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: Can they stick to it?

523
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: And how difficult is it going to be to kind

524
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: of ride both waves, Because I'm not suggesting that you

525
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: can't develop players with your roster and win it at

526
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: the same time, But the way that they are going

527
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: about this right now, with this opening roster construction, makes

528
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: that difficult.

529
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'd love to give them the benefit of doubt,

530
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: but I can't from the stand, especially with Walker, because

531
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: as you know, man, he got off to the really

532
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 3: good start as a rookie, you know, the hitting streak

533
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 3: and everything, and I know he tailed off a little bit,

534
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 3: but they sent him out before the end of April

535
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. And it's kind of like, wait a.

536
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: Minute, now, it wasn't involve in the air birding. He wasn't,

537
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: but on the ground.

538
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: I know, and it said, okay, that was I understood it,

539
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: but I still thought it was weird they were. And

540
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: I know Jeordan Walker looked terrible at to plate last season.

541
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 3: I get it. I can't defend anything about his performance.

542
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: I mean him chasing those low and away pitches. You know,

543
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: it was a mess boy. They sure got him out

544
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: of here quick. And then when John Moselek like in

545
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 3: effect intervened and said, well, we're bringing him up, and

546
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: then Ali said, well, he's only going to play against

547
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 3: left handed pitching, and which made no sense and was

548
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: one of Ali's weird things that I still don't understand.

549
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: And I talked to him about it and I told him,

550
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: I said that, well, I still don't understand it. So

551
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: who's to say that kind of push pull won't happen again.

552
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: You know, uh is John Mosiah like gonna intervene in

553
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: some decisions if he disagrees with some decisions, and by

554
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 3: the way, all front offices do that. Sure's there's a

555
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: tendency among Cardinals fans and think like this is the

556
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: only place in the Major League it happens or whatever.

557
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: In fact, sometimes it's good, like in the case last

558
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: year with Jordan Walker, it was good that Mosea like

559
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: intervened and said, Okay, you're not gonna play him, We're

560
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: I'm putting them back to Memphis because he's got to

561
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: play every day. So I just I never trust. I

562
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 3: just never trust what they say. I never trust that

563
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 3: it's going to be followed up firmly and convincingly with

564
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 3: their actions. And I probably would think Gorman would get

565
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: a little more lead. I don't know. Maybe I even

566
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 3: shouldn't say that, I shouldn't even try to handicap it.

567
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: But Gorman, man, I just hope for his sake, I

568
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: hope he gets off to a good start, you know,

569
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: because who the heck wants to go through this all season?

570
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: The Cardinals don't those two players don't. I know, you

571
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: would probably like to write about some other things, you know.

572
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: So it's so here come the Cardinals.

573
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, personally victimized by the saying the Cardinals giving

574
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: you trust issues I know I have and I can't

575
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: blame your Cardinals fans this. I'm trying to see the

576
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: vision and the credit to Allie who has said, you know, yeah, this.

577
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: Is gonna be difficult.

578
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: He's like, but I'm committed to doing everything I possibly

579
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: can to make sure these players get the necessary amount

580
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 2: of at bats. Is Nolan Gorman going to see six

581
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: hundred played appearances now? Probably not? Can you see five hundred?

582
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

583
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: So maybe this is just because it doesn't really make

584
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: a lot of sense on paper. The overall roster construction. Again,

585
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: I think it's redundant. I also think that this is

586
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: something that is being downplayed. But not having a backup

587
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: shortstop is put so much pressure.

588
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: On Mason Win.

589
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 2: And it's not to say that Mason Win can't handle

590
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: plane every day, but when when was the last shortstop

591
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: Bernie or you go with stats and numbers, plose last

592
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: short stop they play one hundred and sixty two games?

593
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: Come on, you're gonna need him to fill in. Donnie

594
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: can do it again.

595
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: Donnie can do everything.

596
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: But you're putting a lot of pressure on a guy

597
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: who is going is entering his what second full season.

598
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: I don't love that there is no true backup behind

599
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: Mason Win.

600
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: Well, there's no doubt about that. I I agree. And

601
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: here's the thing with Mason Win. It's it's again the

602
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: way the Cardinals do certain things. It puts me in

603
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: a position where it almost seems like I'm criticizing Mason Win.

604
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: And that's not my point at whatsoever. He's a wonderful

605
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: player and I think he's going to be really, really good.

606
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: He was good last year and he faded. But that's

607
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: the point, you know. I know Mason Win says, you

608
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: know his goals. I'm gonna play one hundred sixt two games.

609
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: You know, manager has got to say no sometimes, like

610
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: even Nolan Aernado. Again, not to veer off course because

611
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: it is related. I got respect for Nato, and I

612
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: think actually he may have a nice, a nice bounce back.

613
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: I'm not getting carried away, but just a decent bounce

614
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 3: back because because of some factors that I you know,

615
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: have identified. But so I don't rule that out anyway.

616
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: But then again, this be nothing punitive. But does Nolan

617
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: I ran not really like have to play one hundred

618
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: and fifty games? You know, can he can he play

619
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty one hundred and thirty five.

620
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna want you to get value up.

621
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 3: But you know, and you know this better than I. I mean,

622
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: the guy is so intense. He gets tired, and you know,

623
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: I think he could use more rest and it might

624
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: be beneficial. But the same with Mason Wynn. Just because

625
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: he wants to play one sixty two. I mean, you

626
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: know someone's got to be the parents say, no, that's

627
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: not a good idea. I love you, but it's not

628
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: a good idea. And I just wonder that where they're

629
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: going to run him into the ground. I mean, the

630
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: guy just completely wore out late in the season. And

631
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: we can get into this if you want later, but

632
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: you know, and they also put the pressure of him

633
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: batting in the leadoff spot, which which carries a lot

634
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: of responsibility, a lot of responsibility, a lot of pressure,

635
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 3: and frankly, for all the things he did well last season,

636
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: he was the wrong choice to bet leadoff. You just

637
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: can't have a guy with an on base percentage as

638
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: low as his batting leadoff. It's just it violates, like

639
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: every on a few principle in the book of managing.

640
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: You know, no, your guys at the top of the

641
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: lineup has to get on base.

642
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: Right because you're starting every game out with one out.

643
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: And I agree with you that he's not. They didn't

644
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 2: have a lot of options for leadoff last year. I

645
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: still don't know if they have any true other options.

646
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: I'd like to see what Lars new park and do

647
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: in the lead up.

648
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: He stays healthy, he definitely want me so many questions, right,

649
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: I mean, because here's the leadoff guy that when he's

650
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: done it. I mean, he's first of all, is you know,

651
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: you know he's he's effective against left handed pitching, so

652
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about platoon. Yeah, he's better

653
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: against right handed pitching, but he's really good for a

654
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: lefty bat against lefty pitchers. And he gave you know

655
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: when he was right, when he was in the lineup

656
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: with continuity, when he was healthy enough to do it.

657
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: I mean the number of pitches he saw during plate appearances,

658
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: He made pitchers work. He walked at a high rate,

659
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: he had a high op B. Yet he's also a

660
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: leadoff man who can hit for some power. I'm not

661
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: saying he's Ricky Henderson, but he also brings some pop

662
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: to the leadoff spot. I mean, you could go with him, Donovan.

663
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: If he changes things a little bit, maybe he sacrifice

664
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: the little powers to get on base. He can be

665
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: an on base machine too. So I think with all

666
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: the right handed pitching that major league hitters face, I

667
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: think any either one of those guys could fit in

668
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: that number one hole. But I just worry about Mason

669
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: Win and I'm not the next time I talked to

670
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: Ali and I'm just gonna ask him, I'm just saying, like, what,

671
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: tell me why you really want to do this here?

672
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna like, you know, click off some numbers.

673
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, tell me why you really want to

674
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: do this? What am I missing? And I'm gonna it's

675
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: gonna be a sincere question because I simply don't understand it.

676
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: I came up with a stat I just shared it

677
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: with you last night. This is like unbelievable. And see,

678
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm like stealing my own material for what I was

679
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: going to use use myself. But it's worth it because

680
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm part of your team here, so you know, because

681
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm basically cuckoo and I have one I love to

682
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: research things and it was bugging me about Mason went

683
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: his on base percentage last year in the leadoff spot

684
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: to ninety. So I said, well, how does where does

685
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: that fit like in terms of Cardinals history. So what

686
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: I did, and it took me. It took me forty

687
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: five minutes or so to figure this out using stad

688
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: hit on a Baseball reference. I said, well, all right,

689
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: Cardinals leadoff hitters who had at least three hundred and

690
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: fifty plate appearances in a season. Because I want it.

691
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: I wanted it to be a good sample size. So

692
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: Cardinals leadoff men who had at least three to fifty

693
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: PA in the top spot. Right, Mason went last year

694
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: and this goes back to nineteen oh one, his leadoff

695
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 3: on base percentage was the second lowest in the season

696
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: by a Cardinals leadoff man. The only guy that had

697
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 3: a lower OPB in the leadoff O was Julian Hoavier

698
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty it was two seventy five. So we're

699
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: talking about from nineteen oh one through twenty twenty four.

700
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 3: This was the second lowest on base percentage by a

701
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: leadoff Cardinals' leadoff Cardinal hitter in the history of the franchise.

702
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Small sample size.

703
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just this the Is this the moment

704
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 3: I say I rest my case.

705
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: Or or absolutely?

706
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean you It goes back to what we've been

707
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: talking about, like, does this roster make a lot of sense?

708
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: And I think Olie Carminson putting a tough spot. I

709
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: definitely don't want to be like an Olli apologist here.

710
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: It's his job to get the most out of the

711
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: players on his roster, and it's on the players to perform,

712
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: but it's also on the organization to put their players in.

713
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: The best position to succeed.

714
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: And some they have Victor Scott absolutely, Matthew Libertore absolutely.

715
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Uh.

716
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: Do I think Sianni can can be that fourth outfielder

717
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: defensive replacement?

718
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

719
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: I mean, and you think like a postseason team isn't

720
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: going to look at that and want him. Do I

721
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: think that the Cardinals are actually increasing Sianni's value here?

722
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: I do?

723
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: I do.

724
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense for what

725
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: they're trying to do long term. No, but for for

726
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: players like Mason. When I wonder if they're putting him

727
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: on the in the best position to succeed this year.

728
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, just he was so relaxed when he hit

729
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: down in the lineup last year. I mean, his numbers

730
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 3: were like, actually funny, they were so great when he

731
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: batted eighth or ninth, right, And I just like laugh

732
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: at him every time I see those numbers when he

733
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: bet batted low in the lineup, down in the eight

734
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 3: and nine spot. I would just hope. I would just

735
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,959
Speaker 3: hope that if Mason win is really laboring and really

736
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: struggling and not walking and chasing pitches and all that stuff,

737
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: they would just take some of the pressure off and

738
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: just it's not a failure, it's doing what's best for

739
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: the team. And also for a young hitter who's got

740
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: enormous potential, just just take some of the heat off.

741
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: Let him just find find his offense and do his

742
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 3: thing hitting eighth or ninth. There's no shame in hitting

743
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: eighth or ninth. That's the whole point. You want to

744
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: have a long lineup where you have guys batting late

745
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: in the batting order who can do some damage, who

746
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: can get on base, who can hit doubles, who can

747
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: draw walks, you know, and so I just I just

748
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 3: hope Biole he's not in one of these things like, no,

749
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: this is what I'm gonna do, and I'm sticking with him.

750
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: I believe in him. Well, come on, all right, we'll see.

751
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: I don't know how you improve your offense with the

752
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: leadoff man. It's got a two ninety oh PB. I

753
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: just don't see how that those two things seem to

754
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: seem to be in contradiction.

755
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: Here's my hot take, Bernie, and I don't think they'll

756
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: ever do it, but if they do, he heard it here.

757
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: First on Cardinal Territory, Lars view bar lead off Yvon

758
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: Herrera batting second.

759
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: I like that. I like it because Herrera Carrera would

760
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: make you work and take some walks.

761
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: We will gets on base and he I always I'm

762
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: under the camp that your number two hitter is your

763
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: best hitter. And Contrera's has had a freaking fantastic spring.

764
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: He looks great, He's going to be fine. But if

765
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: you have new bargaining on base working counts like you

766
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: manage great pitch selection just knows how to get on.

767
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: You have Herrera who can hit for contact, hip for power,

768
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: just a true bat in the two hole, and then

769
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: you have Contreras and Arnatto backing that up. You're in

770
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: a much better spot, I think.

771
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: And one thing I like that. And you know, some

772
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: people say, well, Conterra's is your best hitter, and he

773
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: has been. I mean he's been terrific. I was looking

774
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: at you know, his WRC plus the last two years,

775
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: eight hundred and fifty played appearances over the two years.

776
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: He was the tenth best right handed hitter in the

777
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: game the last two seasons. But so you say, well,

778
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 3: there'd be a case to make for batting him second.

779
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 3: But aha, the difference is Herrera runs really really well

780
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: yep as a catcher, so you get more speed in

781
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: the two hold. I mean, no one saying he's Vince Coleman,

782
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: but Herrera really moves well. For Yeah, he's very athletic.

783
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: So in that context, yeah, Nutbar getting on base a lot.

784
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: I think Herrera get on base a lot. Herreraic can run,

785
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: Newpark can run. And then you have Contreras coming up there. Yeah,

786
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm all in with you on that one, all right.

787
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: I will make sure to slight a no under Dannel

788
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: diskalso's door as I'm like, hey, think about this. There's

789
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna be absolutely the first week of the season.

790
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: All right, Bernie, We're almost wrapping up here, and what

791
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: any gay man, let's see it is the bottom of

792
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: the fifth We got time. Will I see an inning

793
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: of the cards Nets exhibition game today?

794
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: Probably not.

795
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: That's okay because I have one hundred and sixty two

796
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: games to watch starting day. The last thing that we

797
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: should talk about today is the Cardinals did finalize their bullpen.

798
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: I forgot to talk about in the intro because there

799
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: are so much going on. I sent an apology to

800
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: my editor with the roster story. By the way, I

801
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: was like, so this is a mess. Sorry, it has

802
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: been a week. But with the bullpen, the Cardinals have

803
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: Brian Helsley. Obviously he'll be the closer. Phil Mayton he

804
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: looked good. I mean, he's had a really short ramp

805
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 2: up period, but he said he didn't need a long one.

806
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: Doesn't look like he did. He'll meet on the on

807
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: the bullpen or in the bullpen.

808
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: Ryan Fernandez, Jojo Romero, similar roles is last year, John King,

809
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: same thing. Stephen Mattz as your long relief and a

810
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: huge shout out to Kyle Lahy and Chris Roycroft.

811
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for those guys.

812
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: They came in and they just shoved and they have

813
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: different roles, different pitch sequences, different things that they can

814
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: do really well.

815
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: But they were nails and talking.

816
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: I hadn't a chance to talk to Lay but talking

817
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: to Chris Roycroft and his story where how he worked

818
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: his way up here and now he has his first

819
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: opening day. I mean he asked me. He was like,

820
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: I heard that I have to like sit on a

821
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: truck and I was like, yes, you do. You will

822
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: be sitting on a truck and they're gonna ride you

823
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: around Bush Stadium.

824
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: Great.

825
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: I think that it's such such a great moment for

826
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: those two guys, and I think they're going to be needed.

827
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: There's obviously a fluidity in the bullpen. It's kind of

828
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: like a revolving door. But Kyle Lahy he brings the

829
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: Cardinals innings and you need that with based on how

830
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: this rotation is projecting, and he has an outpitch for

831
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: righty's and lefties. Chris Roycroft just has nasty stuff and

832
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: the Cardinals are going to have to figure out what

833
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: their next closer, if you will, should Marian Helsley depart

834
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: looks like and I think Chris Roycroft is a sneaky

835
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: under the radar, way too early pick for that, but

836
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: also he's just looked great all spring. So I thought

837
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: the bullpen and the Cardinals, I'll add that to the

838
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: things that they did well.

839
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: The bullpen I think will be really good.

840
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: I'm definitely on a team Lahy. I think he's like

841
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: last season was quietly valuable in the whole bullpen mix,

842
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: because he'd come into a game you wouldn't say, oh man,

843
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: this guy's really good. All of this guy's really valuable.

844
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: But what's interesting about the Cardinals bullpen last year it

845
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: was historically great. It wasn't just a good bullpen. It

846
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: was a great bullpen, and you know, in terms of

847
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 3: Cardinals franchise history and yeah, just you know, they just

848
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: they just locked down late leads better than anybody other,

849
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: maybe than Cleveland. The thing of it is, I was

850
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: interested because, like you know, the Cardinals bullpen pitched the

851
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: fourth lowest amount of innings last season, which I think

852
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 3: would surprise some people in the National League. In the

853
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: National League, I think eighth lowest or seventh or eighth

854
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: lowest in the majors and because the starters gave them

855
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 3: more innings than maybe we we thought. But a guy

856
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: like Lahy was so valuable because when they would have

857
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: one of those games that was getting away and it's

858
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: just like, well, we can't go to our high leverage

859
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: guys that we're going to have a guy just try

860
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: to hold it there, give us a chance to come back.

861
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: But he's also going to protect our high leverage relievers

862
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: so we don't have to run them into the ground.

863
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: Lay Hey did that job so terrifically well. And I

864
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: also noticed I don't have the numbers in front of me,

865
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 3: and I don't want to be nothing but numbers, numbers, numbers.

866
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: When they put him in high leverage spots last season,

867
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: he was good. It was fine, he was good. So

868
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: I think he's a really underrated, valuable member of that bullpen,

869
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: and he will be a guy that makes sure this

870
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 3: bullpen is not basically shredded up and worn out by

871
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, the All Star break, because that's really important

872
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: because if this bullpen's not somewhere in the same vicinity

873
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: where they were last year, it's going to be a

874
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: really tough year for the Cardinals.

875
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: And given the amount of uncertainty already shaping up.

876
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would agree with you. There great great

877
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: points about lay. Those multiples are leaving value, especially early

878
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: in the season. But BERTI, you know, Bernie, this very

879
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: fitting episode for you to be back on because not

880
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: only did the Cardinals make some roster changes, but we

881
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: are making some roster changes here at Cardinal Territory. I

882
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: know you've been super busy. You have just announced your

883
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: partnership with STL Sports Hub. Great things going on there

884
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: from the digital side in Saint Louis Media. But you

885
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: are also, so to say, joining the Cardinal Territory squad

886
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: as a co host with me twice a week.

887
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 3: When you I was joking, you know, I said, well,

888
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: when Katie asked me, you know, I had to like

889
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: really think it over, and I was, you know, pondering it.

890
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: Oh three seconds later I said, sure, you know, no,

891
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: this is this is exciting because I'm going to do

892
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: this again. I think you're great. I think you're very talented,

893
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: and not not just your work at the Athletic and

894
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 3: you've you know, you've just had so many outstanding stories

895
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 3: and you break news, but you're a natural on this

896
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: platform as well. And when we talked about this last

897
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: time was on when you and I have ever had

898
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: a chance to work together. There's a chemistry there. We

899
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: have a good time. Our personalities kind of offset each

900
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 3: other really well. We both have a sense of humor.

901
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: We both can get a little salty in a good

902
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: way when we're making fun of the Cardinals or when

903
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: they deserve it, of course. But anyway, this is a

904
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: thrill for me and I can't thank you enough for

905
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 3: you know, allow me to be part of the Cardinal

906
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: Territory family and by extension, the Foul Territory family. Thank

907
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 3: you so much.

908
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: No, this is so exciting, and I said after our

909
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: first episode together, I was like this, this makes a

910
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 2: lot of sense and hopefully we can figure something out.

911
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: And I'm glad we did.

912
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: We plan to run Cardinal Territory three times a week

913
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 2: starting during the regular season. The bad news here is

914
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: Trevor Rosenthal is going to have to step down. He

915
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: will no longer have in every week role. But of

916
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: course he's always welcome and I'm sure we'll see him

917
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: and kind of pop in whenever. Just a lot of

918
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: things going on for him right now, but we'll have

919
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: him on one more time at least to just kind

920
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: of explain what he's doing, what's next for him. But yeah,

921
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: Cardinal Territory three times a week. My plan is to

922
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: run that Monday, Wednesday, Friday, but the baseball season will

923
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: absolutely impact that and have other plans.

924
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 3: But if you ever, you ever, you ever, you can

925
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 3: bring me out of the bullpen for a third appearance

926
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: in a week, if you ever get in a jam.

927
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have no problem.

928
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: No problem running on fumes already.

929
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: Is that a good sign when it's March twenty third

930
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: and you're already scrambling?

931
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: Probably not?

932
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, I know you need to so you

933
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: won't be able to cretch your breath for a long time.

934
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: I thinks, well, yeah, definitely October. The way that the

935
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: season is shaping up.

936
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: No, but we're not gonna be negative.

937
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: We're not gonna be negative view opening day, No, Bernie,

938
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: this will be great. So I'm really looking forward to

939
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: it to Cardinal Territory watchers.

940
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna probably do an interview.

941
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: I've gotten some really good feedback from the player interview videos.

942
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: If it's probably because when you have Larsnie Born pedro

943
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: Pa has on there, they kind of do the work

944
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: for you. But if you are a viewer, subscriber, or

945
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: comment or whatever, and you have a player or person

946
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 2: or group of people that you'd like to hear from,

947
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: drop me a note in the comment section. We'll start

948
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: setting up interviews and we'll plan to do that once

949
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: a week. So we'll have two analysis cardinals, whatever you

950
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: want to call them, episodes with Bernie and myself, and

951
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: then we'll get an interview in about once a week.

952
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: So we are a podcast for the people here. Obviously,

953
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 2: whatever you want, I will try my best to get.

954
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: But right now where I have to get is to

955
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: Roger Dean. At some point I should probably watch a

956
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: little bit of the game before I ask all the.

957
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: Questions about it. Bernie, this is great.

958
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to go back to Saint Louis. Not

959
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: just to sleep in my own bed and see my cat, obviously,

960
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: but I just I love opening day. I love opening

961
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: up the season at home. Saint Louis just does something special,

962
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: and I'm excited to get this season underway because win

963
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: or lose, we are going to have tons to talk about,

964
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: all right.

965
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: I don't want it to take you over time here,

966
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 3: and I know you've got to get over to the stage.

967
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: What's your cat's name? I need to know that. I'm

968
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: a cat guy.

969
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: For all you SpongeBob people out there. Her name is meep,

970
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: like the little anchovies that used to take over. It's

971
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: because that's the sound she made. And I wasn't intending

972
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: to keep her. This is a long This is the

973
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: most important part of the podcast. Everybody listen up. I

974
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: found her five years ago, my mom did in a

975
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 2: grocery store parking lot, and she was like eight weeks old, disgusting,

976
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: covered with please but I'm not Anna Leaver. So I

977
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: was like, I'll just like nurse her back to health

978
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 2: and find a foster. And you can't name your fosters,

979
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 2: because if you name your fosters, you're going to keep them.

980
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: So I gave her a little nickname, and then I

981
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: called her meat because that's a sound she made. She

982
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: couldn't really meow. And then twenty four hours later I said, yeah,

983
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm keeping her. So she's been with me ever since.

984
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 3: We've got five cats, that's like my dream, five of them,

985
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 3: and my wife's amazing because she has. She saved two

986
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: from the street, literally from the street, brought him in

987
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: domesticated him, made him healthy, I mean, everything else, and

988
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: so heck, we may have been added six soon. So

989
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 3: we just we just love cats. So if I was.

990
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: Home all the time, I would definitely have another one.

991
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: But you know what, commenters, viewers, if you're on Twitter,

992
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 2: dm me pictures of your cats.

993
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: Please don't damn me.

994
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: Send me something on Twitter like tag me on Twitter.

995
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: Do not damn me. I take it back, but I

996
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: would like to see cat pictures before Bernie.

997
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: This will be fine, Bernie, you too, I would like

998
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: to see it all five well, I will.

999
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: Wow, this is such a great way to end the

1000
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: podcast for Bernie. For Bernie, I'm Katie. This is Cardinal Territory.

1001
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to getting into some real base s

1002
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: fall real soon.

1003
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: I'll see you guys back in Saint Louis.

1004
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah,