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Speaker 1: M h. Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls podcast,

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Speaker 1: a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all

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Speaker 1: the small decisions we can make to become the best

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Speaker 1: possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy Hard

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Speaker 1: and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more

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Speaker 1: information or to find a therapist in your area, visit

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Speaker 1: our website at Therapy for Black Girls dot com. While

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Speaker 1: I hope you love listening to and learning from the podcast,

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Speaker 1: it is not meant to be a substitute for relationship

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Speaker 1: with a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me for such an one eight of

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Speaker 1: the Therapy from Black Girl's podcast. We'll get into the

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Speaker 1: episode right after a word from our sponsors. A year

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Speaker 1: ago this week, all of our lives took a very

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Speaker 1: drastic turn for many of us and market the last

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Speaker 1: time we worked from the office, the last time kids

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Speaker 1: went to school, and the last time we moved about

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Speaker 1: the world without a mask or two. Looking back, it's

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Speaker 1: really hard to imagine how much would be so different now.

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Speaker 1: If you've been finding yourself a little sadder, moving a

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Speaker 1: little slower, feeling a little less motivated, tired, of cooking,

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Speaker 1: but also tired of eating out. I want you to

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Speaker 1: know that you're not alone. Many of us feel the same.

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Speaker 1: Joining me today to chat about what this year has

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Speaker 1: been like and what things might look like moving forward

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Speaker 1: is Gorgeous West. Gorgeous is an associate professional counselor here

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia. She currently works with adults in private practice,

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Speaker 1: helping them to create healthy boundaries, practice self care, and

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Speaker 1: be the best versions of themselves. She and I chatted

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Speaker 1: about what you might expect related to the pandemic anniversary,

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Speaker 1: tips for digging deeper into your self care, managing jealousy

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Speaker 1: and FOMO related to the vaccines, and what we're looking

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Speaker 1: forward to post pandemic. If there's something that resonates with

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Speaker 1: you while enjoying our conversation, please share with us on

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Speaker 1: social media using the hashtag tv G in Session. Here's

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Speaker 1: our conversation. So, thank you so much for joining us today, Gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm so excited for the opportunity. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, we are officially at the one year mark

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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts about what it looks like and

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Speaker 1: feels like a year later. You know, I think when

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Speaker 1: and then it feels like it became a steady decline

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Speaker 1: finding ourselves at yet another march, and we are still

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Speaker 1: what kinds of things have been coming up for you

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Speaker 1: for clients about what it looks like to still be

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Speaker 1: here a year later. Yes, I like the hor idea

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Speaker 1: of it being in phasis because it was definitely I

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Speaker 1: felt they personally like the transition and phase and like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I remember around that August September time like the whole okay,

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Speaker 1: So definitely some things I would recommend is definitely practicing

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Speaker 1: kind of like on the forefront even a guardfolia or

435
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: where people are just wanting to stay at home and

436
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: not leave home. So I think more so on the

437
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: anxiety level of things may be seeing an increase in

438
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: those areas and also to possibly pressing right, So instance

439
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: of people still grieving from build the losses that they've

440
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 1: experienced over the last year and then having a hard

441
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: tim to transition into whatever it this is normal is

442
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: so depression and anxiety and perfectly adjustment disorder, so transitioning

443
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: into what the new normal will be like in this

444
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: year and the upcoming year. So yeah, I mean, and

445
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned this earlier, just I think for like kids

446
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: going back to school, like, you know, I'm already thinking

447
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: about like what my four year old and seven year

448
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: old might be like, you know, when they've been so

449
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: much time with both with us just home right and

450
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: now they you know, may have to go back into school.

451
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: You know, like what is that adjustment going to look like?

452
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: You know, so I think we are far from seeing

453
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 1: like a resolution to this situation. And I think that's

454
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: what I really just want people to kind of be

455
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: thinking about and you know, try to prepare themselves for

456
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: as much as possible, because I think again, when you

457
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: are under such a level of chronic stress like we

458
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: have been, you don't realize like, oh, I've been holding

459
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: my breath. I've been operating it just like level one

460
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: hundred until it is a little safer to come down.

461
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: And when you have that come down, sometimes that's when

462
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: like the impact really hits you, right. And so you know,

463
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, people feeling really anxious, are really being

464
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: able to feel the weight of their grief only after

465
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: there you know, kind of on the other side. So,

466
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, I think it would not be surprising for people,

467
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: like after they have been vaccinated or other people and

468
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: their families have been vaccinated to feel both a sense

469
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: of relief but also maybe feel very anxious or feel

470
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: really depressed just because of everything else that has happened

471
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: this year. Absolutely. I think one thing that you pointed

472
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: out that was important is in regardless of like the children,

473
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: because as parents, you know, we have our feelings, but

474
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: it's are so important like our children, like you said,

475
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: have been home, and so what that looks like for

476
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: them in regardss of like Okay, they've been homesool, so

477
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: adjusting to the new learning environment. Like it's all whole

478
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: transition for everyone on so many different levels, but it's

479
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: all happening at the same time, and so everyone's trying

480
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: to navigate these feelings all at the same time while

481
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: still trying to still remain sake. So it's like so

482
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: many emotions and feelings occurring that we can't control necessarily

483
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: or just like put up a pause too, but it's

484
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: like more so like honoring Okay, well is it that

485
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: I feel right now so that I can navigate through

486
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: the next feeling and emotion? Yeah? Yeah, And you know,

487
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: you ring up a really good point around the anxiety,

488
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, because so much of this year has kind

489
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: of been the message we've gotten is that other people

490
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: and like the outside world is not safe, right, And

491
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: and that was a reality in a lot of ways, right,

492
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: And so we now are going to be I think

493
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: asked to kind of readjust and you know, reintegrate with

494
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: the world in a way that I don't think we

495
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: we have had to do, you know, in our lifetimes. Right.

496
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: And I've already heard lots of people say, you know,

497
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: they're continuing to wear masks in public regardless, right, you know,

498
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: So I think I am both interested but also really

499
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: afraid of what that looks like because I'm just not sure,

500
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 1: like how you reintegrate into society when so much of

501
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: this past year has been us trying to avoid one another. Yes,

502
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: it's definitely like the life which a complete one eighty

503
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: because it's like, at first I've been so stay within

504
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: your family, the people you live with, but now it's

505
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: like now we're having to come back outside to everyone.

506
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: So it's like we don't know who they've been with.

507
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: And so it's like that whole alright, I in regardless

508
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: of you don't live in my house, I don't know

509
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: who you've been with or where you've been. So that

510
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: whole trust factor in like the lack of trust because

511
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: of not knowing. But then too it's like how do

512
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: we navigate that because it's out of your control who

513
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: other people have been around or what they've done. But

514
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: then it's like you still have to be share space

515
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: with them. Mm hmmm, yes, I think that'll be something

516
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: we will you know, of course, be continuing to talk

517
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: to and to talk about and keeping our eyes open

518
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: for like how we support our community through um what

519
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: this next fees of you know, life looks like in

520
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: some ways, yet definitely I'm curious, go just are there

521
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: things that you're hoping don't return from pre pandemic days? Like,

522
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: are there things that you are feeling like? You know,

523
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind your stuff kind of stayed like this,

524
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: So I will say this, this has already changed though,

525
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: because I have had to travel during the pandemic. On

526
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: the flight, I did enjoy the whole empty middle seat.

527
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: I wish that we could keep that as a thing.

528
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: But outside of that, let me think, I do like

529
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: the whole aspect of people being able some more time

530
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: with their families. I think that this definitely slowed a

531
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: lot of us down because we were so busy with

532
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: day and day outline. So the whole aspect of children

533
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: being home doing virtual money, having that report with them,

534
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna miss that the most, possibly when

535
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: it is time to transition back into the school, so

536
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: I will definitely miss that. I do like the whole

537
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: ideal of restaurants offering the outdoor seeing or like you

538
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: can get the food to go, or like the Uber

539
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: eats and delivery to spend more time home. I like

540
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: the outdoor concerts that have been going on in certain

541
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: being used where you can drive up and do like

542
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: the concert in your car safely. So I thought that

543
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. I still hope like the online

544
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: community aspect of things space very active because it is

545
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: easier and it's flexible for a lot of people to

546
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: come together at a certain time from different spaces and states.

547
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: I do like that part of it. I think that's

548
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, you bring up a really good point,

549
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, because I do feel like we have seen

550
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: such a burst in creativity this year, right from you know,

551
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: poetry readings to the versus battles. You know, like you

552
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: really feel like people had to kind of really dig

553
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: deep to kind of figure out, you know, how they

554
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: were going to entertain, and like, I think a lot

555
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: of cool things have been kind of developed during this time.

556
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: I have not been on a flight since last year

557
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: before March, so our early March rather, so I have

558
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: not had the experience of, you know, no middle person

559
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: on the play. But I agree with you. I think

560
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: that that is a great idea and also echo your

561
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: sentiments around having their kids home so much. You know,

562
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: it is really cool to kind of be able to,

563
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, spend so much time with them and kind

564
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: of observe them in their kind of learning environments in

565
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: a way that maybe wouldn't have before. I'm also really

566
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: curious to see like what workspaces will look like, you know,

567
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of companies have already kind

568
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: of moved to like stay at home right, like you

569
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: can continue to work from home even you know, on

570
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: the pandemic is over. So I'm curious to see like

571
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: what kinds of things workspaces are going to do in

572
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: terms of like maybe allowing people to continue to work

573
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: from home of things like to Yes, definitely, the workspace

574
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: is a huge thing. Like some people love it, some

575
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: people don't, and so it's kind of like depending on

576
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: the individual. But I think that it was a huge

577
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: changing point for a lot of companies because probably most

578
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: of the positions they were like, oh, this can never

579
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: be remote, but now it is. Right. So with that

580
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: being said, like oh, okay, well, what is this being

581
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: for our company in our office space? Is easily even

582
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: necessary to even have an office space, so kind of

583
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: going back to the drawing boards with those types of things.

584
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: But I think ultimately when it comes to workspaces, that's

585
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be something that's gonna continue to change, and

586
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: I think progress more on the remote side now, especially

587
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: with everyone happened to switch so suddenly to being virtual

588
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: or remote. So yeah, yeah, And I do think it's

589
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: important for people to keep in mind that this has

590
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: not been at all a normal work from home situation, right,

591
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, so if people didn't love it now, of

592
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: course it's not going to be for everybody anyway, but

593
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: to understand like the circumstances surrounding the working from home.

594
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: You know, if your kids are back in school and

595
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: you have more support and you're able to kind of

596
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: do the other things, working from home probably feels very

597
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: different than it has in this past year. So it's

598
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: something to keep in mind for people to I can

599
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: only imagine trying to be a teacher, a principle a month, lady,

600
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: or a month here, like get a lunch ready for

601
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: the kids on top of having to be in a

602
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: meeting at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, lots

603
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: more stressors. What's the first thing that you are excited

604
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: to do post pandermic? I think in the stance, it's

605
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: going to be traveling internationally, Like I'm ready to go

606
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: as soon as I can go safely. I'm not like

607
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: ready to go like I'm gonna be the first one

608
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: to hop on the plane, but I'm definitely looking forward

609
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: to planning a trip in the vacation out of the country,

610
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: somewhere nice, somewhere safe with my family. So that's going

611
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: to be the first thing. Mm hmm. Yeah. I am

612
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: ready to go home to Louisiana. I haven't been home

613
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: and more than a year, so that is something that

614
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm excited to do, to go home and see my family.

615
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: But also a good massage because that is also something

616
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: I have not had more than a year. Yes, yes,

617
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: those are two good things. Sure. See all the things

618
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: you forget like those things are norms right prior to

619
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: dependemic and then it's like now it's like, oh, I

620
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: haven't done that in many year. I've just doing those things.

621
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: So are there any resources Gorges that have been particularly

622
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: helpful for you or for other clients um during this

623
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: time that you might want to share. Let's see. I

624
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: know one thing a book for sure is the Self

625
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Compassion Book by Dr Kristin nef That's definitely been something

626
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: I've referred and recommended to a lot of clients during

627
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: this time because it was just a whole idea of

628
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: dealing with those films of Okay, I'm over this, anxieties

629
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: and the like being hard on themselves because of what's

630
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: currently going on in the world. So finding that grace

631
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: in that space that was definitely been a good resource.

632
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: Of course, they are people back. Those podcasts of things

633
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: that I have talked about on here have been helpful.

634
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: The Shine app has been helpful for a lot of

635
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: clients as well, with god AGANFIC patients have been helpful,

636
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: the calm apps, and I think just overall self here

637
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: like those have been pretty much the most common things

638
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: I've been telling mine is to be mindful of doing

639
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: or incorporating daily into their routines, just for this stance

640
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: of grounding in the sense of just connecting with self. Yeah,

641
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: those have been incredibly popular, I think for a lot

642
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: of people. Something that you kind of reminded us of

643
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: all of those great resources. So where can people find you, Gorgeous?

644
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: What is your website as well as any social media

645
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: handles you'd like to share? Yes, so my website is

646
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: www dot fixing the Fixer dot com. I'm on social media,

647
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: my handle is at Fixing the Fixer and that can

648
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: be on Instagram, Switzer, and Facebook. So that's where you

649
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Speaker 1: can find me on all platforms perfect well. We will

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