WEBVTT - What (not) to Wear in the Cold 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.360 Also media. Hi have once James, future James, and I'm 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:07.480 coming to you to add a little message to this 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.319 podcast that was recorded by past James last week. I 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:13.480 just wanted to know that I have included a record 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.280 setting podcast description with links to lots of the products 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.279 we spoke about a little bit more information and on 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:23.200 all the different metrics that I included for choosing things. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.080 And so you should be able to find that whatever 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.159 podcast downloader that you're using, if you just look at 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:30.520 the description of this podcast. It is very long, but 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.000 you should be able to find links to lots of 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.120 the things I spoke about there and a few other 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.639 products which I think are good value if you are 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:44.320 interested in getting yourself some clothing. All right, enjoy, Hi everyone, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.480 Welcome to it could Happen here podcast that I'm enthusiastically 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:53.440 introducing for the third time because I've just sounded so 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.200 half fast the first two times that I've made myself 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.800 do it again. I'm joined by my friend and your friend, 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.040 Lanny Unis. Hi, Serene, Hi. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.000 That was lovely to witness. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.679 Yeah, it wasn't it great? That's I really put on 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.760 my podcasting boots and you know, went back to the 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.840 podcasting face to do another day in the podcast minds, 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:13.800 and it's. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:19.959 Beautiful, beautiful, Thank you for having me, happy to be here. Yeah, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.360 that's that's all I have to say. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.520 As you can tell, it's too content creators. You're excited 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.480 to create content. I'm glad we're not on Twitch. We 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.560 would we would be uh, we'd be in the poorhouse. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.720 Oh yeah, it's like eight hour streams can't do it 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.240 all right, So when I here to to talk about 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.360 how how have we been in the podcast minds for 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.280 too long? Today we are here to talk about clothing 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.600 in the cold. Why are we talking about this? Because 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.960 right now it's it's record cold all across the US. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.320 It's very, very cold. Because I've been spending a lot 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.720 of time outside both helping drop water for migrants crossing 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.920 the border, helping out in cucumber, and a lot of 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.080 days just like doing my recreation stuff in the mountains. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.400 So I like to do and I think that, like 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.959 I guess education, I guess a lot of people have 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.040 been aggressively marketed at about what to wear when their outdoors, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.520 be that people who are working or people who are recreating. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.560 And I think it's good to have a little bit 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:23.400 of clarity around it, especially as we're entering like this 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.960 might be the worst winter of our lives, it might 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.440 also be the best winter of the rest of our lives. Right. 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.600 Climate change is making more and more people exposed to 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.240 more and more extreme weather all over the world. So 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.360 I want to talk a little bit about the stuff 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.680 I've learned in thirty something years of playing outside about 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.760 how to stay warm in the cold. So that's what 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.800 I'm going to do. I've got it's broken down. Like 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.360 I think, the really important thing to think about when 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:51.280 you are picking your outfit is obviously having all your 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.639 colors match. It's very important. But more than that, it's 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.079 like thinking about thinking about outfit as a system rather 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.440 than as a series of individual things. And I think 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.840 this is where like the way outdoor companies market is 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.160 really bad. They'll be like, oh, yeah, this jacket is badass, 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.919 and it's warm, and it's waterproof and it's wind proof 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.359 and it's also breathable, and like that's you probably would 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.519 be much better off with three cheaper jackets and one 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.919 very very expensive jacket. Interesting, specifically, I guess I've seen 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.440 a lot of people come a cropper when their very 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.280 single jacket gets wet, right, and then you're either got 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.840 one layer or you commit to wearing a wet jacket. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.040 So we're going to talk about the different parts of 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:37.440 your clothing system, what you should look for and why 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.840 you should pick certain things. I'll try and recommend things 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.360 that are cheap as well, because I know that money 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.920 is hard to come by and the world seems to 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.680 be constantly trying to extract money from us. So this 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.520 system's based on Do you know who Mark Twite is, Serene. 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:56.840 No, I don't know who Mark Twite is. But I'm 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.920 looking at the same document you are, and I read 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.400 his name maybe six times, and every time it was 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.160 Mark Twain and I was so confused. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:10.240 But it's marked legendary mountaineer. Mark Twain is equally good 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:11.640 for you know, if you're going on a boat down 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.680 the Mississippi River or climbing a mountain exactly. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.120 But no, I don't know who mister Twight is. 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.440 Mister Twitt's a famous mountaineer. He's good at climbing mountains. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.000 Oh that's cool, that's cool to be famous for that. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.719 Yeah, I know. Yeah, A boy can dream, like maybe 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.160 maybe in another life I'll not have to podcast. I'll 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.280 just be able to raise fluffy animals and climb climbing 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.719 the mountain sheep. Yeah, that is the dream, you know, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.240 every year, every time I don't want to sit down 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:40.720 and write my book and think about the amount of 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.840 livestock I could possibly purchase it. But lots of lots 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.560 of books dream. Yeah, Well, one day talking me sheep, Actually, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.400 let's talk about basse layers because one of the things 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.720 they could be made out of, showing is wool from sheep. 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:56.040 Nice, that was good. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:01.880 Yeah, I know. Ye I am a professional podcast guy. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.440 So you basically there's the thing unx your skin right, 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.920 and a lot of people I think this is where 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.360 like people say, have you heard the phrase cotton kills? No? No, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.960 yeah you've not heard that. Okay, I have not heard that. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.520 I mean, I'm glad you're making an episode about this, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.960 cause like most of the things I've learned about keeping 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.200 warm have just been like things I've heard, you know 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:26.800 what I mean. I've never like researched what actually will 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.880 help me or what will help other people, because I 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.719 think like even like when you provide, when you are 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.680 going to provide or like cheaper options, that's a good 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.560 thing to like donate to people too, now you know 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.320 what will actually help them versus like something else. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.320 But yeah, totally, Like I know, like for a lot 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.000 of un housed people for instance, like you'll get donated 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:50.239 a lot of crappy cotton t shirts, but those are terrible, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.480 right that the little gaps in the cotton, they get 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.560 wet and they stay wet, and it's much worse to 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.760 be cold and wet than it is just to be cold, right, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:05.000 And these the whole system of clothing designed by Mark Twite, 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.040 Mark Twain's brother Mark White. The idea is not to 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.760 keep you dry. The idea is to let you dry 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.159 off quickly. Right, So you can get wet, you can sweat, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.160 but it's much more preferential to be able to dry 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.480 off quickly. And that's all cotton doesn't do. And so 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.920 that's why cotton is considered to be like your worst 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.240 choice here. So if your base layer, you want to 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.160 go with the two options, I guess well, it's it's 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.080 like many things, it's a continuum, not a binary. And 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.200 so you've got wool on one end and you've got 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.120 synthetic on the other end. Wool is really nice because 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.400 it doesn't smell right, Like if you have like athletic clothing, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.520 that synthetic can get really stinky. If you wear it 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.359 for a few days, it only gets stinkier. Wool tends 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.920 to be much better for that. It also doesn't catch 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.960 fire and melt to you, which if that's important in 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.360 your line of work, then then that's useful. Wool is 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.320 naturally fire retardant. Really where it's like, yeah, yeah, does 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.240 everyone know this? Clearly? No, charene, but. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.000 Sheep are sheep fire proof? Yeah? 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.040 I mean I think obviously high enough temperature would still 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:24.200 be fatal for them. But yeah, take yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.040 when we don't respect the sheep enough. 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:29.920 Very powerful ability. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.840 Yeah yeah, there's not even a sheep Pokemon that could 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.040 like Pokemon. As you said that, I was like, what 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.360 a good defense? Well yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone send me 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.440 a picture of a sheep Pokemon that you've designed, and 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.640 I will describe it on the podcast. It's unfortunately not 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.320 a visual medium, but I'd still like to see your 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:50.400 sheep yours, all right, so will it's flame retarding. It's 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.720 very useful in certain lines of work. It's not so 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.360 important for other people. But I will say that, like 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.280 even sitting around the campfire. It is actually really shitty 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.600 if your clothes melt to you. I've had gloves melt 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.960 on my hands and it was unpleasant. Wow, that was 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.360 only like a little bit. But again I can I 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.240 can assure you that people sitting around campfires do have 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.200 their clothing catch on fire. This is not like a thing. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.480 It's why all your tents have to be treated with 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:20.120 a flame retardant treatment. It's that stuff that makes when 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.560 you're tent. You know, if you put a tent away 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.640 where it's wet and hot, you leave it at the 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.320 back of your truck, it gets really sticky when you 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:28.960 when you get out. That's a frame retardant treatment on 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.199 your tent. Oh, then lot about fire today. So the 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.240 the problem with will though, is that you have to 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:36.959 treat it with care, like you don't want to be 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.640 tumble drying wool right, and it can kind of get misshapen. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.840 There are like hybrids, the thing called new yarn, which 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.840 I like a lot, which is like a wall synthetic hybrid. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.679 I have lots of clus stuff made of that, and 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:56.280 then there are full synthetic things like have a little 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.480 base layer here. Again this being mainly a podcast. Scharene 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:01.000 can see this. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.480 Describing a piece of clothing. It looks like cloth. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.680 All right, we're going to be fucked for the next 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:11.280 hour or so. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.719 But what am I looking at it? It's like it 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.839 look kind of like textured or something. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.559 So it's like this, yes, yes, it's ribbed. I'll try 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.400 to sleeve. We've just move right past that. It's it's ribbed, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.520 and that's to allow like the little bits that touch 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.319 your skin keep you warm, but then the channels allow 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.240 for it to breathe right from monaster, to move away 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.400 and wik away from your body. 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.160 So that's that's the synthetic hybrid or. 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.559 This is synthetic. It's spandex and polyester. It's got this 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.400 like it's very thin, you can see through it, but 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.559 it's also very warm by company called Beyond Clothing. I 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.559 would caution people against having too thick if you're planning 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.319 on actually hiking or being active or like, you know, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.000 let's say you work in construction, you work in agriculture, 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:00.880 maybe just have a job you have to go to 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.200 remote places. You're a doctor who has to treat people 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.319 at remote places, or you win turbine engineer, or you 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.480 work on the railway lines or something. You know, if 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.599 you're going to be active, having too thick of a 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.679 base layer could be really annoying because if it heats up, 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.520 that's kind of your last option. And if it's really 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.240 thick and you try to rely on that for most 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.880 of your warmth, then you're going to overheat. And then 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.480 when you overheat, you're going to sweat a lot. Or 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.040 when you sweat a lot, that sweat is saying going 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.360 to soak your layer right, and then when it gets cold, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.560 you're going to be wet and cold, and that is bad. 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.439 So consider if your base layer like a lightweight or 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.600 a midlight thing, and try and get your warmth from 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.120 something else. It's whatever suggest. I really like the new 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.320 yarm ones. Like I said, there's one made by Black 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.439 Diamond called a Rhythm T shirt, which I really like. 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.640 I've loaded those. They are often on sale. You can 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.680 get them really cheap. If you're looking for something really cheap, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.720 I would say to just avoid cotton, so you can 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.640 look for things which are polyester or nylon, and those 0:10:58.679 --> 0:10:59.840 are going to be a lot better than just your 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.920 T shirt. They are going to smell, they're going to 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.599 get pretty stinky. But you can often find them for 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.320 around the same price. Right, and if it's very cold, 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.920 you may want basic layers your legs as well. Good 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.480 ones for those are hard to get cheap. I like 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.160 ones that zip all the way off, like like like 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.319 you know, like like Chipendale style. Yeah, but you want 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.040 zips all the way down the side, Oh, zippers, so 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.800 they're up pull on no, yeah, but because then you 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:28.760 have to take your boots off. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.319 Right, So if you're well, I think of everything. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.040 Drop your trousers, put those on, because taking your boots 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.480 off in the snow and then hopping around, no. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:42.120 I mean it sounds very impractical. So that's cool they 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.920 thought of that. That's very smart. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.080 Yeah, yeah, it's a nice it's a nice. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:47.439 Yeah. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.240 Technology has to give less many things. There's a company 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.760 called cou who's chiefly hunting company, but they make a 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.199 really nice like side zip leg bas layer, which I 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:58.840 think I would recommend for a lot of people if 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.360 it's really cold where you are with I guess trousers generally, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.439 it's they're a lot less complicated than upper layers. But 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.040 the things you want in the cold really are again 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.680 something that's not going to like cause you to sweat 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.720 a lot, so I wouldn't suggest everyone like going around 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.560 in waterproof trailers. I really like ones that have vents, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.040 like mechanical vents, so you can open up so you 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:27.880 can cool off these guys. Right, Like, the pockets are mesh, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.319 so if you open the pocket, not only can you 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.880 get your accessories out, but you can also like vent 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.280 off the heat that way, and so that way you 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:40.959 don't soak them out with sweat. Right. There's a company 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.960 called Beyond who makes every possible weight and size of trouser. 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.120 I really like their stuff. I use this stuff a lot. 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.360 You can get kneepad pockets as well, which are super useful, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.719 not only if you're like like you see them in 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.280 military gear a lot, but if you're working, saying, construction 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:00.880 or carpentry or something that you have to kneel a lot. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.320 It's a really nice table on kneepad, So those get 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:08.680 a recommendation for that. For a cheap one, the Proana 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.960 make a parent called the stretch Zion, which I think 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.680 is really nice. Climb in them all the time. They 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.319 can often be found really cheap. Your next thing is 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:21.720 your active insulation, so that's you need to warm yourself 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.240 when you're active, right, So there's two types of insulation. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.679 The system is active and static. One is for when 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.960 you're moving and the other is for where you're stationary, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.880 and your active insulation is People used to call this 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.920 a mid layer, but that was back when people wore 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.960 like wool jumpers and you kind of had to keep 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:39.600 it covered from the world or it will get wet 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.559 and stretched out and very very heavy. But sometimes this 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.400 will actually be outer layer, So I don't think mid 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:46.800 layer is a great term. That's what they used to 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:51.160 call it. People used to use fleeces a lot. Fleeces 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.400 are fine, but again they can get very very heavy 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.080 if they get wet. Some of them don't breathe very well, 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.640 and they can sort of very quickly become too hot 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.240 of your exercising, and they're not very wind proof. They 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.160 don't block the wind at all, so much better choice 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:10.480 is something called a grid fleece. So like the base 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:11.959 layer was talking to you about, it has like a 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:16.199 little grid pattern that allows for moisture and air to 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.440 move away from your body, so like you're less likely 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.200 to overheat. There's a really cool fabric called Polo Tech Alpha, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.720 which you should look for rather than like looking for 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.760 a specific item. If you look for Polartech Alpha or 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.120 Polotech Alpha direct, then you can scat around for stuff 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:35.600 that's some sale and find something that's really nice. It 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.200 kind of looks a bit fleecy, but it's also a 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.920 grid pattern. It's really warm and it's very small. I 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.320 have a few things that are like made of that. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.560 I have one from a moot called the Alpha sixty. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.320 So there are different weights, right, sixty ninety one twenty 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.800 sixty is the least. I think ninety it's grams for 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.200 square meter, but ninety grams for square meter is pretty 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.760 much a good mid zone for almost everyone. So that's 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.200 what to look for in those if you're looking for 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.080 a cheap midless or a cheap way to stay warm 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.640 while you're moving around. The US military has this thing 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.240 called a waffle top because inside of it looks like 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.800 a waffle right, I guess grid was. They like to 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.680 give things baby names in the US Army. Oh LUKX, 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.320 suren's got one. Yeah like that. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.800 Yeah, I love waffle top. I'm always pulled all the time, so. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.480 I'm also a cold person. Yeah, I do love a waffletop. Yeah, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.440 but yeah, those waffletops. You can get them super cheap 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.120 everywhere online. I would caution people against getting it can 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:34.760 be easy to find, like a thing where it's got 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.840 like a waffle back ere and a soft shell front 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.000 and it's like your windshll your rain shell. But those 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.320 are really warm, and they're really big and bulky, and 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.280 it's quite hard to wear them if you're actually moving 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.280 with any sort of intention. So that's where you want 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:53.080 to keep your things separate, so you can choose choose what, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.200 like exactly how warm you are where then being forced 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.600 to be like a certain level of warm. Talking of 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.840 forcing people to do things, Charene, Wow, it's time for 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:05.880 us to force them to listen to some adverts. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:07.120 Let's do it. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.720 We're back, so Charene's voice, and we are talking now 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.160 about the other part of keeping yourself warm, which is 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:30.960 static insulation. This is the big warm jacket. Everyone likes, 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.880 your happy jacket, the one that makes the cold go away. Right. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.360 The deal here is that like a big puffy jacket 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.680 is pretty crappy to war again, if you're moving with 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.360 any intention, right, like, unless it's seriously like arctic cold, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.560 then it's hard to hike or climb in a big 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.960 puffy jacket. So what this guy is for is for 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.560 when you stop moving. So if you're hiking, that would 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.720 mean when you stop to regrow, you stop to have 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.400 a snack or to put your camp together or whatever. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:09.000 It's good to have like a really big jacket that 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:14.600 is warm that you can toss on immediately. Putting clothes 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.080 on once you are cold is generally not the deal. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.360 The deal that is putting them on so you don't 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:22.919 get cold, because all you're doing with all these layers, right, 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.880 is trapping air against your body that is warm. That's 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.080 what the little the grid parts and the grid fleece do, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:31.800 and that's what all the little feathers in the down 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.320 jacket do, right. They're just trapping pockets of air that 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.480 you heat up. So if you wait till you're really cold, 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.640 it's going to take you a lot longer to get 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.400 to get warm. The thing to do is once when 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:44.359 you're moving you're nice and warm, you stop, you're gonna 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.480 get cold. So if you toss on that jacket then 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.399 you can stay cold. I say warm down jackets are 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:54.320 really complicated. If there are a couple of issues with 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.520 like cheap down jackets that make them probably best avoided. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.600 One is the but if you're not using ethically sourced down, 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:08.160 that the industry can be pretty abusive, right. That down 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.399 is comprised of feathers that come from ducks and geese. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.360 It's not very nice to ducks and geese to kill 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.399 them and steal their feathers. And if you're going to 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.120 do it at all, if that's something that you choose 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.760 to do, you should at least try and find ethically 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.480 sourced down, in my opinion. The other thing is that 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.320 down natural down, when it gets wet, it clumps up 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:34.000 and it doesn't work anymore. It doesn't insulate you, right, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:39.639 no like nicer downs modern more like modern downs are 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.800 treated with water repellent coating, so they don't tend to 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.920 do that as much. But the other thing was down 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.320 is that like a lot of numbers get thrown at 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.360 you when you're looking at a down jacket, Like if 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.120 you look at the money Internet, it's all kinds of information. 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.560 Some of that stuff is bullshit. The things that are 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.879 important are the fill power and the fill weight. The 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.879 fill power is it tells you how many cubic inches 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.800 of loft one ounce of that down will fill, So 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.200 a higher number is better, right, a higher number is 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.000 more puffy, And then your feel weight tells you how 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.280 much of that down is used in a jacket. So 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:21.120 a higher fill power jacket with a lower let's say, 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.159 a four hundred four power jacket with sixty grams of 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.119 feel weight would be as warm as an eight hundred 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.840 fold power jacket with thirty grams of feel weight. So 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.280 once you get your phil power and your feel weight, 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.320 then you get a pretty good idea of how warm 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:40.800 a jacket is going to be. So the other alternative 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.720 to natural down is synthetic down. Right. Where that stands 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.520 out is like it can get wet, and you can 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.119 generally like baby it a bit less, but it doesn't 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.280 pack down as well, and it is tends to be heavier, 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:57.600 and you don't get feel power, but you do get 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.960 feel weight. So if you're the jacket I use is 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:04.280 synthetic because like I like to shovel in my bag 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:07.920 and sometimes it's wet, or like sometimes it gets a 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.600 bit wet, right, I just I don't like to have 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.960 to like try and baby it so much. I also, 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.720 for ethical reasons, prefer that. There's a company called Prima 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:21.360 Loft p R. I m A. They make synthetic insulation 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.199 sort of very good, and they say make some from 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:28.040 post consume recycled plastics and they have something that to 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.480 buy degradable as well, so I really like cool. Yeah, 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.960 it's cool, right, Like I saw something a while ago 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.320 and how ducks and geese are treated pelic down and 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:38.600 it may be very I was like, I. 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.040 Didn't really want to ask because I don't really need 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.640 to know more than I already do because I don't 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:49.000 buy that stuff anyway. But do they are there birds 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:52.040 that die exclusively for their feathers or at least do 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:53.800 they die for meat and their feathers? 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:58.040 I think they die exclusively. I'm sure they are eaten, 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.200 but they are raise like the commercial product is the 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.320 feathers basically because they kill them much younger. Yeah, it's shitty. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.040 There are like ethically sourced downs, which I think if 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:14.400 you know, if if you're a consumer of animal products. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:16.840