1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Also media. Hi have once James, future James, and I'm 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: coming to you to add a little message to this 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,319 Speaker 1: podcast that was recorded by past James last week. I 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: just wanted to know that I have included a record 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: setting podcast description with links to lots of the products 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: we spoke about a little bit more information and on 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: all the different metrics that I included for choosing things. 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: And so you should be able to find that whatever 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: podcast downloader that you're using, if you just look at 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: the description of this podcast. It is very long, but 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: you should be able to find links to lots of 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: the things I spoke about there and a few other 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 1: products which I think are good value if you are 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: interested in getting yourself some clothing. All right, enjoy, Hi everyone, 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to it could Happen here podcast that I'm enthusiastically 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: introducing for the third time because I've just sounded so 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: half fast the first two times that I've made myself 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: do it again. I'm joined by my friend and your friend, 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: Lanny Unis. Hi, Serene, Hi. 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: That was lovely to witness. 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't it great? That's I really put on 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: my podcasting boots and you know, went back to the 23 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: podcasting face to do another day in the podcast minds, 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: and it's. 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: Beautiful, beautiful, Thank you for having me, happy to be here. Yeah, 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: that's that's all I have to say. 27 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: As you can tell, it's too content creators. You're excited 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: to create content. I'm glad we're not on Twitch. We 29 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: would we would be uh, we'd be in the poorhouse. 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like eight hour streams can't do it 31 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: all right, So when I here to to talk about 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: how how have we been in the podcast minds for 33 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: too long? Today we are here to talk about clothing 34 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: in the cold. Why are we talking about this? Because 35 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: right now it's it's record cold all across the US. 36 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: It's very, very cold. Because I've been spending a lot 37 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: of time outside both helping drop water for migrants crossing 38 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: the border, helping out in cucumber, and a lot of 39 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: days just like doing my recreation stuff in the mountains. 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: So I like to do and I think that, like 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: I guess education, I guess a lot of people have 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: been aggressively marketed at about what to wear when their outdoors, 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: be that people who are working or people who are recreating. 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: And I think it's good to have a little bit 45 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: of clarity around it, especially as we're entering like this 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: might be the worst winter of our lives, it might 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: also be the best winter of the rest of our lives. Right. 48 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Climate change is making more and more people exposed to 49 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: more and more extreme weather all over the world. So 50 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the stuff 51 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: I've learned in thirty something years of playing outside about 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: how to stay warm in the cold. So that's what 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to do. I've got it's broken down. Like 54 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: I think, the really important thing to think about when 55 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: you are picking your outfit is obviously having all your 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: colors match. It's very important. But more than that, it's 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: like thinking about thinking about outfit as a system rather 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: than as a series of individual things. And I think 59 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: this is where like the way outdoor companies market is 60 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: really bad. They'll be like, oh, yeah, this jacket is badass, 61 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: and it's warm, and it's waterproof and it's wind proof 62 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 1: and it's also breathable, and like that's you probably would 63 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: be much better off with three cheaper jackets and one 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: very very expensive jacket. Interesting, specifically, I guess I've seen 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people come a cropper when their very 66 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: single jacket gets wet, right, and then you're either got 67 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: one layer or you commit to wearing a wet jacket. 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about the different parts of 69 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: your clothing system, what you should look for and why 70 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: you should pick certain things. I'll try and recommend things 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: that are cheap as well, because I know that money 72 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: is hard to come by and the world seems to 73 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: be constantly trying to extract money from us. So this 74 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: system's based on Do you know who Mark Twite is, Serene. 75 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: No, I don't know who Mark Twite is. But I'm 76 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: looking at the same document you are, and I read 77 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: his name maybe six times, and every time it was 78 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Mark Twain and I was so confused. 79 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: But it's marked legendary mountaineer. Mark Twain is equally good 80 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: for you know, if you're going on a boat down 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: the Mississippi River or climbing a mountain exactly. 82 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: But no, I don't know who mister Twight is. 83 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: Mister Twitt's a famous mountaineer. He's good at climbing mountains. 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, that's cool to be famous for that. 85 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Yeah, A boy can dream, like maybe 86 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: maybe in another life I'll not have to podcast. I'll 87 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: just be able to raise fluffy animals and climb climbing 88 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: the mountain sheep. Yeah, that is the dream, you know, 89 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: every year, every time I don't want to sit down 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: and write my book and think about the amount of 91 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: livestock I could possibly purchase it. But lots of lots 92 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: of books dream. Yeah, Well, one day talking me sheep, Actually, 93 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about basse layers because one of the things 94 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: they could be made out of, showing is wool from sheep. 95 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: Nice, that was good. 96 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Ye I am a professional podcast guy. 97 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: So you basically there's the thing unx your skin right, 98 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of people I think this is where 99 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: like people say, have you heard the phrase cotton kills? No? No, 100 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: yeah you've not heard that. Okay, I have not heard that. 101 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad you're making an episode about this, 102 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: cause like most of the things I've learned about keeping 103 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: warm have just been like things I've heard, you know 104 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: what I mean. I've never like researched what actually will 105 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: help me or what will help other people, because I 106 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 2: think like even like when you provide, when you are 107 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 2: going to provide or like cheaper options, that's a good 108 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: thing to like donate to people too, now you know 109 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: what will actually help them versus like something else. 110 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, totally, Like I know, like for a lot 111 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: of un housed people for instance, like you'll get donated 112 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: a lot of crappy cotton t shirts, but those are terrible, 113 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: right that the little gaps in the cotton, they get 114 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: wet and they stay wet, and it's much worse to 115 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: be cold and wet than it is just to be cold, right, 116 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: And these the whole system of clothing designed by Mark Twite, 117 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: Mark Twain's brother Mark White. The idea is not to 118 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: keep you dry. The idea is to let you dry 119 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: off quickly. Right, So you can get wet, you can sweat, 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: but it's much more preferential to be able to dry 121 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: off quickly. And that's all cotton doesn't do. And so 122 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: that's why cotton is considered to be like your worst 123 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: choice here. So if your base layer, you want to 124 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: go with the two options, I guess well, it's it's 125 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: like many things, it's a continuum, not a binary. And 126 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: so you've got wool on one end and you've got 127 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: synthetic on the other end. Wool is really nice because 128 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't smell right, Like if you have like athletic clothing, 129 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: that synthetic can get really stinky. If you wear it 130 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: for a few days, it only gets stinkier. Wool tends 131 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: to be much better for that. It also doesn't catch 132 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: fire and melt to you, which if that's important in 133 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: your line of work, then then that's useful. Wool is 134 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: naturally fire retardant. Really where it's like, yeah, yeah, does 135 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: everyone know this? Clearly? No, charene, but. 136 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: Sheep are sheep fire proof? Yeah? 137 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think obviously high enough temperature would still 138 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: be fatal for them. But yeah, take yeah, yeah, yeah, 139 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: when we don't respect the sheep enough. 140 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: Very powerful ability. 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, there's not even a sheep Pokemon that could 142 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: like Pokemon. As you said that, I was like, what 143 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: a good defense? Well yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone send me 144 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: a picture of a sheep Pokemon that you've designed, and 145 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: I will describe it on the podcast. It's unfortunately not 146 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: a visual medium, but I'd still like to see your 147 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: sheep yours, all right, so will it's flame retarding. It's 148 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: very useful in certain lines of work. It's not so 149 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: important for other people. But I will say that, like 150 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: even sitting around the campfire. It is actually really shitty 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: if your clothes melt to you. I've had gloves melt 152 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: on my hands and it was unpleasant. Wow, that was 153 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: only like a little bit. But again I can I 154 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: can assure you that people sitting around campfires do have 155 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: their clothing catch on fire. This is not like a thing. 156 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: It's why all your tents have to be treated with 157 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: a flame retardant treatment. It's that stuff that makes when 158 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: you're tent. You know, if you put a tent away 159 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: where it's wet and hot, you leave it at the 160 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: back of your truck, it gets really sticky when you 161 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: when you get out. That's a frame retardant treatment on 162 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: your tent. Oh, then lot about fire today. So the 163 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: the problem with will though, is that you have to 164 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: treat it with care, like you don't want to be 165 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: tumble drying wool right, and it can kind of get misshapen. 166 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: There are like hybrids, the thing called new yarn, which 167 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: I like a lot, which is like a wall synthetic hybrid. 168 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: I have lots of clus stuff made of that, and 169 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: then there are full synthetic things like have a little 170 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: base layer here. Again this being mainly a podcast. Scharene 171 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: can see this. 172 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: Describing a piece of clothing. It looks like cloth. 173 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: All right, we're going to be fucked for the next 174 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: hour or so. 175 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 2: But what am I looking at it? It's like it 176 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 2: look kind of like textured or something. 177 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: So it's like this, yes, yes, it's ribbed. I'll try 178 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: to sleeve. We've just move right past that. It's it's ribbed, 179 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: and that's to allow like the little bits that touch 180 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: your skin keep you warm, but then the channels allow 181 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: for it to breathe right from monaster, to move away 182 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: and wik away from your body. 183 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: So that's that's the synthetic hybrid or. 184 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: This is synthetic. It's spandex and polyester. It's got this 185 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: like it's very thin, you can see through it, but 186 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: it's also very warm by company called Beyond Clothing. I 187 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: would caution people against having too thick if you're planning 188 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: on actually hiking or being active or like, you know, 189 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: let's say you work in construction, you work in agriculture, 190 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: maybe just have a job you have to go to 191 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: remote places. You're a doctor who has to treat people 192 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: at remote places, or you win turbine engineer, or you 193 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: work on the railway lines or something. You know, if 194 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,599 Speaker 1: you're going to be active, having too thick of a 195 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: base layer could be really annoying because if it heats up, 196 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of your last option. And if it's really 197 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: thick and you try to rely on that for most 198 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: of your warmth, then you're going to overheat. And then 199 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: when you overheat, you're going to sweat a lot. Or 200 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: when you sweat a lot, that sweat is saying going 201 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: to soak your layer right, and then when it gets cold, 202 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: you're going to be wet and cold, and that is bad. 203 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: So consider if your base layer like a lightweight or 204 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: a midlight thing, and try and get your warmth from 205 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: something else. It's whatever suggest. I really like the new 206 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: yarm ones. Like I said, there's one made by Black 207 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: Diamond called a Rhythm T shirt, which I really like. 208 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: I've loaded those. They are often on sale. You can 209 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: get them really cheap. If you're looking for something really cheap, 210 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: I would say to just avoid cotton, so you can 211 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: look for things which are polyester or nylon, and those 212 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: are going to be a lot better than just your 213 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: T shirt. They are going to smell, they're going to 214 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: get pretty stinky. But you can often find them for 215 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: around the same price. Right, and if it's very cold, 216 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: you may want basic layers your legs as well. Good 217 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: ones for those are hard to get cheap. I like 218 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: ones that zip all the way off, like like like 219 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: you know, like like Chipendale style. Yeah, but you want 220 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: zips all the way down the side, Oh, zippers, so 221 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: they're up pull on no, yeah, but because then you 222 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: have to take your boots off. 223 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: Right, So if you're well, I think of everything. 224 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: Drop your trousers, put those on, because taking your boots 225 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: off in the snow and then hopping around, no. 226 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: I mean it sounds very impractical. So that's cool they 227 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: thought of that. That's very smart. 228 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a nice it's a nice. 229 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 230 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: Technology has to give less many things. There's a company 231 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: called cou who's chiefly hunting company, but they make a 232 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: really nice like side zip leg bas layer, which I 233 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: think I would recommend for a lot of people if 234 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: it's really cold where you are with I guess trousers generally, 235 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: it's they're a lot less complicated than upper layers. But 236 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: the things you want in the cold really are again 237 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: something that's not going to like cause you to sweat 238 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: a lot, so I wouldn't suggest everyone like going around 239 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: in waterproof trailers. I really like ones that have vents, 240 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: like mechanical vents, so you can open up so you 241 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: can cool off these guys. Right, Like, the pockets are mesh, 242 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: so if you open the pocket, not only can you 243 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: get your accessories out, but you can also like vent 244 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: off the heat that way, and so that way you 245 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: don't soak them out with sweat. Right. There's a company 246 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: called Beyond who makes every possible weight and size of trouser. 247 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: I really like their stuff. I use this stuff a lot. 248 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: You can get kneepad pockets as well, which are super useful, 249 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: not only if you're like like you see them in 250 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: military gear a lot, but if you're working, saying, construction 251 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: or carpentry or something that you have to kneel a lot. 252 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: It's a really nice table on kneepad, So those get 253 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: a recommendation for that. For a cheap one, the Proana 254 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: make a parent called the stretch Zion, which I think 255 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: is really nice. Climb in them all the time. They 256 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: can often be found really cheap. Your next thing is 257 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: your active insulation, so that's you need to warm yourself 258 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: when you're active, right, So there's two types of insulation. 259 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: The system is active and static. One is for when 260 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: you're moving and the other is for where you're stationary, 261 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: and your active insulation is People used to call this 262 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: a mid layer, but that was back when people wore 263 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: like wool jumpers and you kind of had to keep 264 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: it covered from the world or it will get wet 265 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: and stretched out and very very heavy. But sometimes this 266 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: will actually be outer layer, So I don't think mid 267 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: layer is a great term. That's what they used to 268 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: call it. People used to use fleeces a lot. Fleeces 269 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: are fine, but again they can get very very heavy 270 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: if they get wet. Some of them don't breathe very well, 271 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: and they can sort of very quickly become too hot 272 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: of your exercising, and they're not very wind proof. They 273 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: don't block the wind at all, so much better choice 274 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: is something called a grid fleece. So like the base 275 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: layer was talking to you about, it has like a 276 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: little grid pattern that allows for moisture and air to 277 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: move away from your body, so like you're less likely 278 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: to overheat. There's a really cool fabric called Polo Tech Alpha, 279 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: which you should look for rather than like looking for 280 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: a specific item. If you look for Polartech Alpha or 281 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: Polotech Alpha direct, then you can scat around for stuff 282 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: that's some sale and find something that's really nice. It 283 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: kind of looks a bit fleecy, but it's also a 284 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: grid pattern. It's really warm and it's very small. I 285 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: have a few things that are like made of that. 286 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: I have one from a moot called the Alpha sixty. 287 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: So there are different weights, right, sixty ninety one twenty 288 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: sixty is the least. I think ninety it's grams for 289 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: square meter, but ninety grams for square meter is pretty 290 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: much a good mid zone for almost everyone. So that's 291 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: what to look for in those if you're looking for 292 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: a cheap midless or a cheap way to stay warm 293 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: while you're moving around. The US military has this thing 294 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: called a waffle top because inside of it looks like 295 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: a waffle right, I guess grid was. They like to 296 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: give things baby names in the US Army. Oh LUKX, 297 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: suren's got one. Yeah like that. 298 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love waffle top. I'm always pulled all the time, so. 299 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm also a cold person. Yeah, I do love a waffletop. Yeah, 300 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: but yeah, those waffletops. You can get them super cheap 301 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: everywhere online. I would caution people against getting it can 302 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: be easy to find, like a thing where it's got 303 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: like a waffle back ere and a soft shell front 304 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: and it's like your windshll your rain shell. But those 305 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: are really warm, and they're really big and bulky, and 306 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: it's quite hard to wear them if you're actually moving 307 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: with any sort of intention. So that's where you want 308 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: to keep your things separate, so you can choose choose what, 309 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: like exactly how warm you are where then being forced 310 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: to be like a certain level of warm. Talking of 311 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: forcing people to do things, Charene, Wow, it's time for 312 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: us to force them to listen to some adverts. 313 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: Let's do it. 314 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: We're back, so Charene's voice, and we are talking now 315 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: about the other part of keeping yourself warm, which is 316 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: static insulation. This is the big warm jacket. Everyone likes, 317 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: your happy jacket, the one that makes the cold go away. Right. 318 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: The deal here is that like a big puffy jacket 319 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: is pretty crappy to war again, if you're moving with 320 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: any intention, right, like, unless it's seriously like arctic cold, 321 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: then it's hard to hike or climb in a big 322 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: puffy jacket. So what this guy is for is for 323 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: when you stop moving. So if you're hiking, that would 324 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: mean when you stop to regrow, you stop to have 325 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: a snack or to put your camp together or whatever. 326 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: It's good to have like a really big jacket that 327 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: is warm that you can toss on immediately. Putting clothes 328 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: on once you are cold is generally not the deal. 329 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: The deal that is putting them on so you don't 330 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: get cold, because all you're doing with all these layers, right, 331 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: is trapping air against your body that is warm. That's 332 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: what the little the grid parts and the grid fleece do, 333 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: and that's what all the little feathers in the down 334 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: jacket do, right. They're just trapping pockets of air that 335 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: you heat up. So if you wait till you're really cold, 336 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: it's going to take you a lot longer to get 337 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: to get warm. The thing to do is once when 338 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: you're moving you're nice and warm, you stop, you're gonna 339 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: get cold. So if you toss on that jacket then 340 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: you can stay cold. I say warm down jackets are 341 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: really complicated. If there are a couple of issues with 342 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: like cheap down jackets that make them probably best avoided. 343 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: One is the but if you're not using ethically sourced down, 344 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: that the industry can be pretty abusive, right. That down 345 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: is comprised of feathers that come from ducks and geese. 346 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: It's not very nice to ducks and geese to kill 347 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: them and steal their feathers. And if you're going to 348 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: do it at all, if that's something that you choose 349 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: to do, you should at least try and find ethically 350 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: sourced down, in my opinion. The other thing is that 351 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: down natural down, when it gets wet, it clumps up 352 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: and it doesn't work anymore. It doesn't insulate you, right, 353 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: no like nicer downs modern more like modern downs are 354 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: treated with water repellent coating, so they don't tend to 355 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: do that as much. But the other thing was down 356 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: is that like a lot of numbers get thrown at 357 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: you when you're looking at a down jacket, Like if 358 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: you look at the money Internet, it's all kinds of information. 359 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: Some of that stuff is bullshit. The things that are 360 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: important are the fill power and the fill weight. The 361 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: fill power is it tells you how many cubic inches 362 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: of loft one ounce of that down will fill, So 363 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: a higher number is better, right, a higher number is 364 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: more puffy, And then your feel weight tells you how 365 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: much of that down is used in a jacket. So 366 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: a higher fill power jacket with a lower let's say, 367 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: a four hundred four power jacket with sixty grams of 368 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: feel weight would be as warm as an eight hundred 369 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: fold power jacket with thirty grams of feel weight. So 370 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: once you get your phil power and your feel weight, 371 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: then you get a pretty good idea of how warm 372 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: a jacket is going to be. So the other alternative 373 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: to natural down is synthetic down. Right. Where that stands 374 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: out is like it can get wet, and you can 375 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: generally like baby it a bit less, but it doesn't 376 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: pack down as well, and it is tends to be heavier, 377 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: and you don't get feel power, but you do get 378 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: feel weight. So if you're the jacket I use is 379 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: synthetic because like I like to shovel in my bag 380 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's wet, or like sometimes it gets a 381 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: bit wet, right, I just I don't like to have 382 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: to like try and baby it so much. I also, 383 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: for ethical reasons, prefer that. There's a company called Prima 384 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: Loft p R. I m A. They make synthetic insulation 385 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: sort of very good, and they say make some from 386 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: post consume recycled plastics and they have something that to 387 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: buy degradable as well, so I really like cool. Yeah, 388 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: it's cool, right, Like I saw something a while ago 389 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: and how ducks and geese are treated pelic down and 390 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: it may be very I was like, I. 391 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: Didn't really want to ask because I don't really need 392 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 2: to know more than I already do because I don't 393 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: buy that stuff anyway. But do they are there birds 394 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: that die exclusively for their feathers or at least do 395 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: they die for meat and their feathers? 396 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: I think they die exclusively. I'm sure they are eaten, 397 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: but they are raise like the commercial product is the 398 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: feathers basically because they kill them much younger. Yeah, it's shitty. 399 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: There are like ethically sourced downs, which I think if 400 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, if if you're a consumer of animal products. 401 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: For the most part, I avoid than most of my 402 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: wall stuff I got before I was vegan. But I 403 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: think if you're picking between wall and down, I think 404 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: the down industry is it's hard to be mean to 405 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: sheep in a way that people are mean to a 406 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: poultry because sheep just aren't having it. They'll die. 407 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: Also, you're not like shearing wools different than plucking feathers. 408 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah then killing an animal to Yeah, there's 409 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: a distinct thing going on there. So yeah, I prefer 410 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: not to have. I have a few down jackets that 411 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, but I keep them baby and look after, 412 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: but for the most part, I use the generally, these 413 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: are called ballet parkers, the sort of static insulation layer 414 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: because when you're balleting, when you're climbing, right, you don't 415 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: put them all for climbing, but then when you're on blet, 416 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: you're stationary, so you put them on. And it's nice 417 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: to have a hood on these two, right, because you 418 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: don't want to be like, oh, I've got to get 419 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: my beanie out, get my jacket on. You want to 420 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: just be able to put your one big warm jacket 421 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: on and then you're warm. 422 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: So is it true that you can lose like heat 423 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: from your head and you're or like I've always heard 424 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 2: that like if you wear a beanie you can stay 425 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: warm better. Is that not true? 426 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can lose heat from your head, 427 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: and so it's a part of your body. 428 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I know technically that makes sense. Yeah, 429 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's like you lose a mom thing to 430 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: say to their kids where it's just like cover your head, 431 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: don't go out when your hairs wor. 432 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can lose heat from any sort of exposed 433 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: surface area right and insulated part of your body. I 434 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: think sometimes people overestimate their role played by your head. 435 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: Like you know, people say you lose ninety percent of 436 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: your heat from your head. This isn't true, right, Okay, 437 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: this is why we don't climb mountain into like fur 438 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: hats and speedos. Like you you do want to cover 439 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: your head when it's cold, and it can make a 440 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: big difference, especially like your ears. You know, where the 441 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: circulation is close to the skin, they can get cold 442 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: your nose, right, you can get frost nip your nose 443 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: and your ears. So like you do want to cover 444 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: those things, having like a kafa or snowed is that 445 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: what it's called. 446 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, but that's enough. 447 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, a buff is a trade name a buffoble thunder. Yeah, 448 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: a caf is a great suggestion. 449 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: Good job. 450 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have a kafa that I've worn up 451 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: and down many mountains. It's really nice because if you 452 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: tuck it into the neck of your jacket kind of 453 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: blocks or the wind gaps, and then it's already warm 454 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: because it's it's been inside there. So when you go 455 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: from jacket to sleeping bag, you just wrap that guy 456 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: around your shoulders and then it's you're warm. Multi purpose 457 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: I love. And also if you have a kafa, you 458 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: can use it to prefilter water, right because you want 459 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: to get rid of the turbidity. So like if you 460 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: if you're filtering from buddy water, you can put your 461 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: kafa over the lid of your bottom and then rub 462 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: a band down scoop. Yeah. Yeah, many used to make 463 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: a sling out of it. I won't use it to 464 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: hold gauze on a leg wound that I had. Well, 465 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: people lived a wife, Yeah, many of mycrofias lived a life. 466 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: Just I'm just here for the ride. So yeah, that's 467 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: your your down jack if you do want like a 468 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: down animal down duck down jacket. The cataline ones are 469 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: really good for the money. The cathline is a French 470 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: sports It's like French ARII or European ari It's huge 471 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: in Europe, not so big in America, but there's stuffs 472 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: excellent value. Also, if you want to get really dorky 473 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: about down jackets and warm jackets, the ultra light subreddit 474 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: a place where I definitely go sometimes more time than 475 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: I should, is you you can find like someone has 476 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: made a spread cheet ranking like the fill power, fill weight, 477 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: and price of different down jackets. So if you want 478 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: to get into it, you can get really into it there. 479 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: You can spend a lot of your life on that 480 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: subreddit if you want to. So the next layer, and 481 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: it kind of plays into the the two insulation things. 482 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: It's your wind layer. So a lot of the way 483 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: we experience cold as humans is through wind, right because 484 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: of the way, that's why we have the concept of 485 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: wind chill right, or the air rushing past you, cause 486 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: you a lot more than that same temperature without the 487 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: air rushing past you. And this is often how we 488 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: experience cold and the outdoors especially right. So having something 489 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: like active insulation is great, but often like that alpha 490 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: fabric for instance, it's you can see through it. It 491 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: can be very warm, but it doesn't do anything to 492 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: bluck the wind, and that's sort of by design, right, 493 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: because it's allowing vapor to move out, which is what 494 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: you want, but you do sometimes, especially in windy conditions, 495 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: need a layer to block the wind. That's your wind layer. 496 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: It also helps a lot in not trashing your expensive 497 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: insulation layers, like a very nice down jacket will sometimes 498 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: have a very low the Denny account is like the 499 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: thickness of the fabric, So a nice down jacket will 500 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: still can often have a low Denny account. It's not 501 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: really designed to be like it's not like recently, I've 502 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: been out in cucumber building shelters for people, right, so 503 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm constantly carrying lumber and you know, using tools and 504 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: cutting stuff. And if you wear your fancy, expensive, super 505 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: light down jacket, you're going to shred it and then 506 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: you're going to end up with little patches of duct 507 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: tape all over it. And now you're expensive down jacket's 508 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: not as warm as it used to be. Well, yeah, 509 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: sad time for you. So you can avoid this by 510 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: either just not wearing it for that or covering it 511 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,959 Speaker 1: with a wind layer, which also helps because even those 512 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: down jackets often like the wind can get right through them. 513 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: A wind layer is is a really nice option for 514 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: a number of those reasons. Also, you can often just 515 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: worry about your base lay and even down to pretty 516 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: cold when you're moving trail running, like people trail run, 517 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll have have already know this, but if 518 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: you're hiking, your trail running, if you're climbing, a wind 519 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: layer can really like increase the range of temperatures which 520 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: you can work in without getting too cold. And like 521 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: a very small mind is like the size of maybe 522 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: a tennis ball when I pack it down, but it 523 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: makes you a lot warmer. And you don't want one 524 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: that blocks all of the wind because then you won't 525 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: be able to it won't be breathable. Right, Oh, you 526 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: want something that's a little bit breathable. The one I have, 527 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: I looked up the one I like. It's called a 528 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: mouth in hardware core air shell, but core is spelled 529 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: with a K. How you know it's cool? Yeah, you 530 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: got to you got to get it in, got to 531 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: get it in this and where, and then wear is 532 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: spelled like you know, like like wearing clothes, so double 533 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: puns on their spellings. It's made of the stuff called 534 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: pertext quantum air, which is really cool. It feels like 535 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: silky but it's a synthetic fabric and it's really nice 536 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: and it's very small, and it's very light, and you 537 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: could put it in and if you had, like if 538 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: you're wearing like cargo trousers, you know you can put 539 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: it in the side pocket or cargo short if you're 540 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: that kind of person. So those If you're looking for 541 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,239 Speaker 1: a cheaper thing to block the wind, like you can 542 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: find pretty cheap wind cheaters right out there. You don't 543 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: want something that's very plastic key and then kind of 544 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: clammy you're going to sweat up in. You can get 545 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: surplus British wind proof smocks that are really nice. I 546 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: use those all the time when I'm working outside because 547 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: I uploads of pockets. They're nylon cotton blends, so they're 548 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: not all cotton, and they they're very like robust. You know, 549 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: they're not going to wear wear down or like get destroyed. 550 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: If you're carrying lumber or rock climbing, right, if you're 551 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: into clam like a lot of this stuff, will you 552 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: need something with a thicker face fabric otherwise you're going 553 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: to destroy it when you're climbing, especially if you're climbing 554 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: somewhere like Joshua Tree where like the rock is like 555 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: sandpaper and it eats your clothing. The final layer is 556 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: your waterproof, right, It's a final one because like you 557 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: want to avoid wearing your waterproof really, Like I think 558 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: far too many people where like they rely on waterproof 559 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: coats when it's not raining enough to need one. The 560 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: problem with waterproofs is if rain can't come in, moisture 561 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: can't really come out. Even fabrics like gortex per text 562 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: and that they say that they're breathable, but I think 563 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: anybody who's tried to exercise hard in a gortex jacket 564 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: will tell you that they're not. Like, if you're hiking 565 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: with a group and you'll put on your gortex, then 566 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: you need to move slower because you're going to overheat, 567 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: and then you're going to get wet from the inside 568 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: because you're sweating, and that's not what you want. So 569 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: waterproof is important because when it's really wet and you're outside, 570 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: you don't want to get soaked, right, But it's also 571 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: not something you should be wearing most of the time. 572 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: What you want to look for in a waterproof again, 573 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: there are like statistics numbers. One of them is the 574 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: it's the pressure resistance of the fabric. Like it's expressed 575 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: in the as the height of a water column in 576 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: millimeters until it can push through the water resistance of 577 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: the fabric. Does that make sense? 578 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 579 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for beet honesty. That's good if you imagine 580 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: like that, Like I have a tube, right, it's a 581 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: linear tube like a cylinder, and then I put it 582 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: on my waterproof fabric. Right, I put my waterproof fabric 583 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the tube, and then I put 584 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: one milimeters of water. It doesn't do anything. Two mil 585 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: three meals for keep adding until until it pushes through 586 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: the fabric. 587 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: So that's that's called like a pressure. 588 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: What do you get, Yeah, that's a pressure. It's sometimes 589 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: expressed in pounds per square inch as well. 590 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: Okay, cool. 591 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: It's useful if you're like skiing or snowboarding, like sifety 592 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: of your skiing or snowboarding badly and you're going to 593 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time like sat in your ass 594 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: then or you know, otherwise working in snow, like kneeling 595 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: in snow. That's very handy. There's also a statistic which 596 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: is probably more useful. It's the millimeters of rain in 597 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: twenty four hours before it like wets out and becomes permeable. 598 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: So if you live somewhere really wet, like Belgium or 599 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: the UK, Belgium just sticks out in my head as 600 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: a place where it rained all the time, but maybe 601 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: that's just my bitterness. You're looking for, like something in 602 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: the twenty thousand range. That's a jacket that you can 603 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: pretty much wear all day in the wet and be fine. 604 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: Gortex Pro Fabric, I know it's twenty eight thousand, so 605 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of your gold standard, but anything over twenty 606 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: thousand it is fine. And then breatheability is the last one. 607 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: Moisture vapor transfer rate, and again anything over twenty thousand 608 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: is good. The other thing to look for in a 609 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: waterproof is taped seams, like you know, the bits where 610 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: it stitch together. If there isn't tape behind those seams, 611 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: then water can get in through that stitching. And like 612 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: I've seen people get very expensive jackets which in explicably 613 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: don't have tape seams. I think it's like maybe a 614 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: fashion jacket or something, but I have like wet like 615 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: down every seam, Like they take off their jacket. 616 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: With a group of like people just that are wearing 617 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 2: these kinds of clothing and just like you judging them. 618 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: Quietly, that's me every day, serene every day when you 619 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: see me, I'm judging people for their outdoor clothing. It 620 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: just it just happens inside my head. It's my inside ways. 621 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm happy that people are outside and I just want 622 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: them to have a comfortable and enjoyable experience. 623 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: That's a good like thing to focus on if you 624 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 2: want to, like make sure it's like not a fashion 625 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: jacket versus like utilitary and whatever. You know, like is 626 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 2: it going to actually be helpful or are you just 627 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: going to look cool or is it. 628 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: Going to do Yeah, you can do both, Like you 629 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: should feel good in what you're wearing and wear things 630 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: that make you feel happy about yourself and your body. 631 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: And however you want to appear is fine. Like I 632 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck, just want you to be comfortable 633 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: and safe. 634 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: But he will judge you. 635 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: That won't judge you. I would judge you if you're 636 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: doing something that might put you in danger or someone 637 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: more accually, like you can put yourself in danger in it, 638 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: and I don't care. Like, if you want a free solo, 639 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: fucking have it, but don't put other people in danger 640 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: without their consent. I guess which you're doing if you 641 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: go outside, because someone has to come get you if 642 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: you get in trouble out there, and that's not at 643 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: risk free endeavor. Right, returning from my judgmental character to 644 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: waterproof jackets, you know, te you know what else, I 645 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: am judging how my voice out. I'm remaining a loop 646 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: from judgment. I would never but but I am judging 647 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: your products and services and support this show, and I'm 648 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: judging them or because gold is not a good way 649 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: to spend your money. 650 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: But we still love our jobs. 651 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: We do love our jobs, Yeah we do. I do 652 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: enjoy my job. I like my job. I just I 653 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: want you to have nice jackets and not Runald Reagan 654 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: commemorative coins. So here's some adverts. We're back, and yeah, 655 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit more about waterprop jackets. 656 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: I think it's important. The other thing you want to 657 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: look for, right, So your your tape seems are good. 658 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: And then I like to have mechanical venting, which. 659 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 2: Is yeah you mentioned that earlier. 660 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: What does that mean? So this is these events that 661 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 1: I can open, where as opposed to venting through the fabric, 662 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: I want to vent through a zip that I can 663 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 1: open up, right, So, like I'm wearing a puffy jacket 664 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: right now, that's a mechanical vent right. Why am I 665 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: saying that jacket? Yeah, Charene can see me. No one 666 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: else can. It's like the sixth sense. I'm a dead 667 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: person and Scharen is the only person who can see 668 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: me that is. 669 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: Can I just get that straight? So just unzipping your 670 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 2: jacket counts as mechanical venting. 671 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So like if you have a nice waterproof jacket, 672 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: it will have pit zips. 673 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 2: Okay, got it? Just want a spot a fancy waight, 674 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 2: just to say unzipping some. 675 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: Well yeah yeah, okay, well because you but you want 676 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: like this, This is not right. If I unzip and 677 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: it's a pocket inside, that's not mechanical venting because zipped. 678 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: A chest pocket. For those listening, everyone. 679 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the podcast. But I do stuff, and 680 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: Charene tells you what I do. Yes, pockets are not 681 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: mechanical events, right, but you went away. So you've got 682 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: pit zips. Some of them will have chest zips. Okay, 683 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: waves to force that hot air out and allow breathe 684 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: ability to happen. Right, So I like that in in 685 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: Raine jackets. And then I also like a hood right 686 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: because it's having a wet head isn't fun. And so 687 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: this is this one. I liked to have a hood, 688 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: and the Bellot Parker, I like to have ahood sometimes 689 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: the wind jacket. I like toberhood if you're doing climbing 690 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: and you're doing I never really wear a hood when 691 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: I'm cycling, but other helmet actively if you're caving or canyoneering, 692 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: might be a good idea to check the hood situation 693 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: with the helmet that you wear for that activity. So 694 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: like for climbing, you know, you lots of people will 695 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: say they have a helmet compatible hood, but I don't 696 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: know what helmet those people are wearing because they don't 697 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: fell over like even a pretty low profile climbing helmet. 698 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: So if you know, if you can go to your 699 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: loco outdoor shop, take take your helmet, you know, don't 700 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: don't be afraid of trying on with a helmet on. 701 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: And you want these all really to be cut to 702 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: allow you to move right. A lot of modern outdoor 703 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: gear it looks really nice like when you're going about town, 704 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,040 Speaker 1: but it's cut kind of too tight in there. It 705 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: looks very trendy. It can inhibit your movement, right, and 706 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: so you want to be aware of that. You may 707 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: have to size up. And it's not because you've got bigger, 708 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: it's because close I've got smaller. 709 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 2: Also, if you're layering, that would make sense anyway, right. 710 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And you want to have your water proof 711 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,240 Speaker 1: cut so it can go over your stuff, right, because 712 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: if it rains, you just want to chuck that thing on. 713 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: And likewise, you want to have that big ballet Parker 714 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: cut so that it can fit over your other layers, right, 715 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: because again you want to be able to chuck it 716 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: on as soon as you stop. And your windproof jacket too, 717 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: so you can use it to protect your more expensive 718 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: you can even I know people who do the windproof 719 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: jacket over the gortex just to protect it. Right. I 720 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: have two gortexs that like, I have one that's very 721 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: small and very thin, and that I like keep as 722 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: an emergency, like if I don't expect it to rain 723 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: or expect for it, but I'm going on a week 724 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: long trip, I'm not gonna you know, want to be 725 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: completely fucked if it rains, So I bring a little one. 726 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: It's called the Mountain Hardware minimizer. Kind of the name 727 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: gives away, but it's just very small. It's made of 728 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: gortex pack light, which is like the lower tier of 729 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: acceptable gortex. It's fine, you know, like a go outside 730 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: a lot and I use it and it's fine. It 731 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: doesn't breathe quite as well, but you can again overcome 732 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: that rete with some with them zips that don't zip. 733 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 1: And then if it's going to be red all day, 734 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: I have a jacket that's a bit heavier, thicker, packs bigger, 735 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: but the one I have is from a hunting company 736 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: called four Low lo h. It's really nice. Often, for 737 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: some reason, hunting stuff in recent years has got a 738 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: lot better, and outdoor stuff kind of has used to. 739 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 1: Hunting stuff used to be shitty, but it's kind of 740 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 1: overtaken it for some reason. And sometimes it's also nice 741 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: to have stuff that isn't bright orange and it isn't 742 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: like you have a theory of why that is because 743 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: people have a metrics shit ton of money and wealthy 744 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: people have got into backgoundry hunting because they were I 745 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: have a big dead thing, but these are not people 746 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: who maybe some people, some people are sending it really 747 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: fucking hard doing hunting and doing like ten twelve day hunts. 748 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: And they're hardcore out doors people as well, and they're 749 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: very wealthy people. They like to be uncomfortable and they 750 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: will spend a lot of money on expensive jackets. That's 751 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: my theory. Yeah, thanks for coming to my ted talk. 752 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: Those are the two things that you really want with 753 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: any waterproof you do need to take care of them. 754 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: I think with gor Tex that everyone should be aware of. 755 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: It has what are called forever plastics in it, and 756 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 1: they are really not good for the environment. And not 757 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: only are they not good for the environment when it's made. 758 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: And this isn't just Gortex, right, I'm not. Gortex is 759 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: a brand. They make fabrics, and I'm not just saying 760 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: it's with all those like those those kinds of multi 761 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: layer laminate waterproofs. And it's not just when they're made, 762 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 1: it's also when water sloughs off them. Right, So when 763 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: it rains on you and then that the rain you know, 764 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: the rain drop goes into the three and the stream 765 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: goes into the river, and the river goes into the ocean, 766 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: that little forever plastics are still there, and that's not good. 767 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: I would imagine as with many things, it's more not 768 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: good than we know right now. So some brands like 769 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: fiol Ravan won't use gortex and this stuff for that reason, 770 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: they don't have any forever plastics. Instead they use waxes. 771 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: I think people are kind of maybe have forgotten or 772 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: like you don't see as much of it as you 773 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: used to. But wax jackets are really good if it's 774 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: going to rain all day, if you're not so concerned 775 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: about weight, you can get like a waxed cotton jacket 776 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: or waxed canvas jacket like car Heart makes some right 777 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: or Filson have a nice Filson jacket that they were 778 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot and it's way less fragile, but it is 779 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: much heavier, but it's also better for the planet. So 780 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: that's something If you do have a goratex jacket, like 781 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: it's not something that I feel good like having five 782 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: gortex jackets, you know, and like buying new ones every year, 783 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: like you should try and take care of them. And 784 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: there's a product called nick Wax which is really good. 785 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: You should use nick waxsuff when you're watching any of 786 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: your outdoor. If you're washing down, you should use nick 787 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: Wax down wash or you're really fuck up your expensive 788 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: down jacket. So I think that's a good thing. And 789 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: then yeah, wax, Like, consider how often you're really out 790 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,720 Speaker 1: in an absolute downpour and if that's not very often, 791 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: like maybe you're okay with a wind layer or like 792 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: just waxing the shoulders of of your like have a 793 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: cotton jacket behind me that I just wax the shoulders off, 794 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 1: but like it's like a smock with lots of pockets 795 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: and I just put wax. I bought some Greenland wax, 796 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: which is which is a fear ratheran thing, and wax 797 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: the shoulders so the shoulders are impermeable to water. 798 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 2: Does it look different like the does it look like shiny? 799 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks a little bit shiny, but like it's 800 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: not bad and if you do it like better than me, 801 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: then then it won't look as shiny. But can you 802 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: can see that? No, it's not that bad. It's not. 803 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of fun And maybe other people do other 804 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: things for fun, but I kind of like it. You 805 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: get a head and you grab the wax on and 806 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: then you melt it in with the head ryer. That's 807 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: what I do on Saturday nights. Insight into my life. 808 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: So the last thing that I wanted to talk about 809 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: was extremities. Right, I have rainos where like to really? Yeah? 810 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: Really rainos at hand? 811 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 2: Someone else that has it? No, Yeah, like yellow right now, 812 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean not yellow if I press them yellow, but 813 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 2: like it's well, my feet and hands are always cold 814 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 2: all the time. 815 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,479 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, same, and it's miserable. I hate having 816 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: cold hands. 817 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 2: Literally look at this. Wait, I just bought these recently. 818 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 2: These are electric hand warmers. Oh wow, trouble and I 819 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 2: keep them now. I just walk around with these all 820 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 2: the time. 821 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, it is nice to have warm hands. 822 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,240 Speaker 1: And if you too, if you're a fellow hands colder, 823 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: there are some things you can do. I think sometimes 824 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 1: people wear really thick gloves that that stop the hands moving, 825 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't really increase circulation, or they'll have cold wrists 826 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: and then it's kind of there's like a temperature. You 827 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 1: know that blood's getting cold or it's in your hands. 828 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: So I found like having a base layer or a midle, 829 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: a active insulation lare with thumb loops really helps because 830 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: then thumb loops make sure that the sleeve goes all 831 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: the way into the glove, and I would encourage you, 832 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: rather than wearing one big ass pair of gloves, to 833 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,800 Speaker 1: have like a glove. I know this sounds really dorky, 834 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: but like a glove system. So like a thin lacy 835 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,720 Speaker 1: glove and then a shell glove which is either waterproof 836 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: or wind proof, and then if you want to, you 837 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: can then stack that with a mitten on top of that. Right. Yeah, 838 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: I love emittletons are so cute. Yeah, get your person 839 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: who sews in your life to so your par emittans. 840 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: Have them join with a little string so you can 841 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,759 Speaker 1: run that through the sleeves of your jacket. You don't 842 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: lose them. I used to have those. 843 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I feel like or maybe I just 844 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 2: imagined having one. Can't figure out what our memories and 845 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 2: what are memories anymore, but I love those kinds of mittens. 846 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I'll make gum that you so shreen James. Yeah, 847 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,320 Speaker 1: I can't believe you have. 848 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 2: How did you say in British boys mittens no renown 849 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: rains rainers. 850 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: How you're saying so reino they're French? Ye guessing? Yeah? Yeah, 851 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: I think mine. Maybe I don't know, maybe it's just 852 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: from being naturally cold, but holding onto the handlebars of 853 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,280 Speaker 1: a bicycle. Racing over cobbles has really fucked the circulation 854 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: and sensation in my hands. Yeah, the same thing that 855 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:47,879 Speaker 1: happens if you work a jackhammer. Wow, hands get cold. Yeah, 856 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: it's good, not good, not good for the human and 857 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: body to do anything that much out of research. Make 858 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: a good glove system, but they only make it for 859 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,439 Speaker 1: the military and they won't sell it to you, which 860 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: is lame. Yeah, there's a lot of like so one 861 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 1: of the reasons that some of this surtplus clothing comes 862 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: up is because it's designed as a system, which is good. Right, 863 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: it's one piece designed to work with another piece. And like, 864 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: for instance, Patagonia makes a protective combat uniform for the army. 865 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: As much as it would like to not talk about it, 866 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: it's still true and I've written about it before. But 867 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: they make a really good system and it's great and 868 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 1: scuffs got like. They actually have like this little graphic 869 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: that's like if it's this cold, where this, If it's 870 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,879 Speaker 1: this cold and wet, where this, If it's this cold 871 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,919 Speaker 1: and windy, where this. And it's very handy for people, 872 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: especially people who may not have grown up or had 873 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: that kind of experience or just had the chance to 874 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: try different products because they're very expensive. Right, It's very 875 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: handy to be like, Okay, this is and this, and 876 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: then you only need these five or six pieces that way, 877 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: as opposed to having dozens of jackets and dozens of 878 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,919 Speaker 1: different things for different weathers. So like it. It works 879 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: very well, and it frustrates me that they don't do 880 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 1: the same thing when selling to people who are not 881 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,600 Speaker 1: in the military. So the other things I wanted to 882 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 1: do with extremity is real quick socks, socks. It goes 883 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: the same way as gloves that you don't want to 884 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: a sock system. Yeah, I'm glad that you're picking up 885 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: when I'm picking down a Serene. 886 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 2: I have a sock system, but it's not you're It's 887 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 2: not anything about this. Yeah, well, my feet are always 888 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 2: called this is not a sock. But I do wear 889 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 2: this in my house. 890 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Charene is showing me. Uh it looks like uh, 891 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: it's kind of a moon boot but made a fluff. 892 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,959 Speaker 1: It looks like a yetty's foot. 893 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 2: It's very warm. I don't wear shoes in my house, 894 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 2: so I either always have those slippers on or socks. 895 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,520 Speaker 2: But my sock system is these socks can never mingle. 896 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 2: I have outside socks, I have house socks, and I 897 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,280 Speaker 2: have bed socks, and those socks remain in their sections. 898 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 2: An outdoor sock cannot come in my bed. Does that 899 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,439 Speaker 2: make sense? It does. 900 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to learn more about this when we start recording. 901 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to inquire more about charines sock collection. Yeah, 902 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,760 Speaker 1: very interesting to be anyway. 903 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's eroticism. But I think so the same thing 904 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 2: with gloves. You're saying like they should be layered. 905 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean with socks, I think the big thing 906 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: is to like not always be trying to I think 907 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: people want to wear like a big thick wall sock 908 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: because it's cold, and then if you're kind of crammed 909 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,280 Speaker 1: that into your same boot, you're going to restrict circulation. 910 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to move your feet right. 911 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: So what I would do instead is either have a 912 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 1: couple of pairs of thin socks or use a warmer 913 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:46,160 Speaker 1: fabric so like our paka wool is very warm for 914 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: its weight. The other nice thing about woll socks is 915 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: again the insulate when they're wet, right, so your feet 916 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: are going to sweat you're moving and so you want 917 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,360 Speaker 1: something that's not going to get your feet cold, especially 918 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: your person who already gets cold feet. So Marina wool 919 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: is good, our packer wool is very good. But yeah, 920 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: you don't want to restrict with like one big fluffy sock. 921 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: You can get insulated boots if it's really cold, I 922 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 1: right down until below freezing. I don't like insulated boots 923 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,040 Speaker 1: because again I don't like my feet to get sweaty. 924 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 2: And well, you wear on your feet for that kind 925 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,040 Speaker 2: of weather. 926 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 1: They get really cold. Just gortex boots, and I wear 927 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: the same boots for almost everything unless it's like jungle. 928 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: If you're going to get wet, like goratex boots suck, 929 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: right because I take forever to dry. So like, if 930 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,279 Speaker 1: you're in the jungle and the water is going to 931 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,280 Speaker 1: come over your boots, then you shouldn't wear gortex boots. 932 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: If you're not, I have some. You like to know 933 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: exactly what boots I have? Sure? 934 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 2: I mean we're not sponsored though, maybe no? 935 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did get some of this shit 936 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 1: for free when I was working in the outdoor industry, 937 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 1: but no one's paying us to say this. I have 938 00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: Solomon Quest four D. I think I have of. 939 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 2: Wait, I have those? 940 00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: No? 941 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,919 Speaker 2: Which ones do I have? I did like a bunch 942 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,480 Speaker 2: of research a couple years ago when I got my 943 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 2: new hiking boots. I feel like I have the Solomons 944 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 2: or are those were the ones? I? No, no, no, 945 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 2: I do have the Solomons because I returned the other 946 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 2: one that everyone likes, the witches. What's it called hokahs 947 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 2: the whole focus. 948 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,759 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, hogas make lovely running shoes. I'm not. 949 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,000 Speaker 1: I don't have a preference for that. 950 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 2: I think there were. I mean, I just didn't understand 951 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 2: the hype. So I remember switching over to or returning 952 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,880 Speaker 2: those and getting the Solomons. Wow, look at us. 953 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Team Solomon over here. They're vegan too. 954 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that. 955 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fun. If you have leather boots, you can 956 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,799 Speaker 1: snow seal them around this time of year, but then 957 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: there'll be a bit less breathe will with a bit 958 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: more waterproof. But yeah, consider not overcramming, like thick socks 959 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: into boots are the same size. If you if you're 960 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: going to get a specific pair of winter boots, get 961 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,919 Speaker 1: the massage bigger, and then you could wear a thicker 962 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: sock I would probably do that before I went to 963 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: an insulated boot until it was really cold, like arctic stuff, 964 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,839 Speaker 1: you don't need an insulated boot. Maask makes some nice 965 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: insulated boots that I've used. And then hats is the 966 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,640 Speaker 1: last one. Hats again, like it depends a little bit 967 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,959 Speaker 1: on the temperature. But I have a couple of wool 968 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: beanies that I got years and years and years ago, 969 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,800 Speaker 1: and they're very good and they're very warm, and the 970 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,320 Speaker 1: only thing is when they get wet, they kind of 971 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: stretch out a bit, so they don't love getting wet. 972 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: You might want to put a hood over yourself. Otherwise. 973 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,320 Speaker 1: A flee speanie is really good. People are sleeping on 974 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,920 Speaker 1: the flea speanie, but like a micro flee stretchy beanie, 975 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: it's very nice. I tend to take them when I 976 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,760 Speaker 1: travel because I'm a cold person and planes are cold. 977 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 1: So if I have that and my little Kafa in 978 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: my bag, then I can kind of wrap myself up 979 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: on the plane and I probably look a bit weird 980 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,839 Speaker 1: to everyone else, but I don't care because I am 981 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: warm and planes are cold. I think that it's the 982 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,919 Speaker 1: end of my ted talk on warm clothing. I talked 983 00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,080 Speaker 1: for an hour about cold Cusherine, I didn't think we 984 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 1: keep it under an hour? Really yeah, No, I've been 985 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: draining my whole life for this shit. Like I love, 986 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,680 Speaker 1: I used to like my whole job used to be 987 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,239 Speaker 1: to tell people what to wear and take with them 988 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: when they go outside. Wait really so yeah? Outdoor industry 989 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: journalists who are years That was how I started my 990 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,359 Speaker 1: little when I was little baby journals. The expert here, 991 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: a little baby journalist, I wrote, I don't think I'm 992 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,680 Speaker 1: an expert, but I will say, well, I'll tell you what. 993 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 1: There's my other little soapbox. You will read a lot 994 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: of reviews, and sometimes, like the reviews for Boots, did 995 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: they did Sharen in a good direction. Not everyone who's 996 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: writing those reviews is going outside very much, is what 997 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: I will say, or sending it very hard. Some of 998 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,680 Speaker 1: them are, doubtedly are, but a lot of them are 999 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: trying to get you to click a link which will 1000 00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,720 Speaker 1: return a certain percentage to the website that you're clicking 1001 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: the link from, so four or five percent back right, 1002 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: And you may, for instance, some of the brands I 1003 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: mentioned here don't have that. It's called affiliate marketing. And 1004 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,440 Speaker 1: if brands don't have affiliate marketing, you generally can't put 1005 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: it in articles for lots of magazines about the outdoors. 1006 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: This is something that I fucking loathe, and you can't 1007 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: be honest and say this is my favorite thing. Everything's 1008 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: designed to be seoed and to get you to click 1009 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,280 Speaker 1: something and to return some affiliate revenue to the website. 1010 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,000 Speaker 1: So it would take a lot of those reviews with 1011 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,800 Speaker 1: a pinch of salt. And also just small brands struggle 1012 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 1: to get into a lot of into a lot of 1013 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,080 Speaker 1: magazines because they don't have the marketing money to send 1014 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,800 Speaker 1: piles and piles of free stuff. So yeah, be cautious 1015 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,759 Speaker 1: about what you read. And if you look around, you know, 1016 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: if you're looking at this shit like like I absolutely 1017 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,640 Speaker 1: have jackets that got several hundred dollars that I got 1018 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,719 Speaker 1: for free or I made some employer pay for because 1019 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,399 Speaker 1: I was going somewhere horrifically in hospitable as a human 1020 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: life like Alaska, or Alaska's actually lovely. I'd like to 1021 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,760 Speaker 1: live there, That's the dream. Right, one day, I'll podcast 1022 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,240 Speaker 1: my way to a million dollars raise sheep in Alaska. 1023 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,160 Speaker 2: I was looking for tickets to Alaska yesterday. 1024 00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: Actually show we're talking about Alaska. Yeah yeah, those lights, 1025 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go get after it. But I 1026 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 1: don't really support moving to Alaska and colonizing people's land 1027 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,160 Speaker 1: because you shouldn't do that. Don't do extra colonizing. I'm 1028 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: already doing enough. I feel bad about it, but so yeah, 1029 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: I would suggest people take those reviews with a pinch 1030 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: of salt. There are websites like gear Trade where you 1031 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,360 Speaker 1: can find new stuff. eBay offer up a lot of 1032 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: people buy outdoor stuff, go camping, wants, get cold, get wet, 1033 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 1: get sad, slap it on the internet and sell it 1034 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: for pennies versus what it's worth, so you don't have 1035 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: to buy any of this stuff new. Most of these 1036 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 1: companies also have bomber warranties, and I'm just going to 1037 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 1: leave that there as to the combination of second hand 1038 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,400 Speaker 1: purchasing a warranties. But you can probably join the dots. 1039 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,640 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thanks for having me for this. I learned 1040 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 2: a lot. 1041 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining Michriine and sharing with me your sock system. 1042 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:08,040 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that was really intimate. No, I think 1043 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,360 Speaker 2: this stuff is like underrated how important it is I 1044 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, like, unless you're always outdoors and 1045 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,840 Speaker 2: you're like, you're an outdoorsy person, I think you wouldn't 1046 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 2: know exactly the best way to keep warm, And it's 1047 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,839 Speaker 2: good to know, Like what will actually help someone if 1048 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,719 Speaker 2: you want to, I don't know, donate stuff to them. 1049 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, we have been plagued with donations of really 1050 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,920 Speaker 1: shitty blankets for instance. It's no one's fault. I generally 1051 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,720 Speaker 1: understand that people care and like it. I'm so proud 1052 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: that people want to help and it makes me so 1053 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,759 Speaker 1: happy to see people taking the money that I know 1054 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: none of us have enough of and buying stuff. But like, 1055 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: for instance, a thick wall blanket is going to do 1056 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: so much more than two or three very thin micro 1057 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,759 Speaker 1: flease blankets. You know, if you're looking towards your local 1058 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: unhoused community, right again, like think about things that are 1059 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: durable and that will still insulate when they're wet. Well 1060 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,800 Speaker 1: if you if you do well, then then that's a 1061 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,240 Speaker 1: great choice for a lot of those things. And perhaps 1062 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,840 Speaker 1: we can have one of my own house friends on 1063 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: to talk about like effective donations. The best way to 1064 00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,879 Speaker 1: help people who are unhoused is to give them money 1065 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:13,880 Speaker 1: and that they can buy the things that they need. 1066 00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: Because they know about the things that a good point 1067 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,880 Speaker 1: and so yeah, yeah, that's my last thing for today. 1068 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,319 Speaker 1: Give people who need things money so they can buy them. 1069 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: All right, bye, every one Bye. It could Happen here 1070 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 1: as a production of cool Zone Media. 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