1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Ephemeral production of My Heart three D audio for Felix Vasure. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Listen with that phones. If you had to leave your 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: life behind and take only the things you could carry, 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: what would you choose. On today's bonus episode, we introduce 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: you to ephemeral producer Trevor Young, whom you'll hear more 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: from this season. Trevor recently had the chance to visit 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: his grandmother, a professional artist based in Malibu, California. Over 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: five decades, she amassed an impressive body of work, paintings, sketches, drawings, illustrations. 9 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: She was also an avid art collector, and then she 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: lost all of it. The horribly destructive wildfires then engulfed 11 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: nearly two million acres of California that year, well almost 12 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: all of it. Honestly, if it wasn't from my neighbor, 13 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: I would be dead. It was one o'clock in the morning. 14 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: The phone rang, and everything was going fast. The phone 15 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: lines were going down, the electric lines we're going down. 16 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: And she said, the fire has jumped the freeway. We 17 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: haven't much time, and that's when I packed everything, and 18 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: she's absolutely right. We didn't have much time. When I 19 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: got down to the end of the driveway or the road. 20 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: There was just blazing. That's my grandma. Her name is 21 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: Yvonne Scherbach, and she's been a professional artist and educator 22 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: her entire adult life. She's worked and lived most of 23 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: that life in the mountains just east of Malibu, And 24 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: as you just heard, she was forced to evacuate her 25 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: home a few years ago, barely escaping the so called 26 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Woolsey wildfires. When I found out what had happened, I 27 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: couldn't leave it. I had grown up visiting that house 28 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: every summer. It was a magical place. The house looked 29 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: like an art gallery. Every wall had paintings on it. 30 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: Many of them, of course, were mine, but I collected, 31 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: of course, I collected. I collected from other illustrators, other artists. 32 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: I had paintings, drawings everywhere, and they were delightful. It 33 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: was a wonderful environment to live in. More than anything, 34 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: that house was a testament to everything my grandma had 35 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: achieved over five decades of work. Just looking around it 36 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: was easy to see what a successful career she had had. 37 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: As she told me, she knew very early on in 38 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: life that art was her calling. I don't think there's 39 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: a choice there. I think one is born to do that, 40 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: and I think that's true of musicians, it's true of writers. 41 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: You don't have an Aha moment. It's just what you're 42 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: born to do, and quite frankly, you will do anything 43 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: to do it. As a young adult, my grandma studied 44 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: at the Art Center College of Design in Pasadena and 45 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: quickly discovered what she was capable of. When I graduated, 46 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: all I knew is that I wanted to be an illustrator. 47 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: That's what I'd studied. And to tell you the truth, 48 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: I had a job before I even graduated, and almost 49 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: immediately I was illustrating books for children. I illustrated for 50 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,559 Speaker 1: ten years two books a year for Scholastic, The Math Monsters. 51 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: As an illustrator, really, what I was really doing as 52 00:03:54,320 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: characters storytelling. That's what illustrators do, is tell stories. When 53 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: I saw the movie called Ms Potter with Renee Zelwerger 54 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: about the life of Beatrix Potter, I laughed in the 55 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: theater when she started talking to her characters, her book characters, 56 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: because then I didn't feel like such an idiot. I 57 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: used to do the same thing. I used to actually 58 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: talk them, say now you know what, Babs, this doesn't 59 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: go when something wasn't going right with the drawing. I mean, 60 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 1: it's very funny. You get connected to the very things 61 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: that you're drawing. I did two books a year for 62 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: ten years, and sixty illustrations each book. That's a lot 63 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: of drawing, and then that's a lot of time with 64 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: those monsters. So in between all of that, I found 65 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: time to also do my own work as an artist. 66 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: Because in every artist, there lives two artists. The one 67 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: that has to make a living to pay the bills, 68 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: and the other one that likes to do what it 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: likes to do. Unless you are lucky enough to be 70 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: financially independent, to be able to shuffle around in your 71 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: barn stocks sandals, smoking goal was cigarettes and up in 72 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: the studio, which does not happen anymore. You have to 73 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: be very diversified as an artist. You have to be 74 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: able to do many different things on top of creating art. 75 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: My grandma spent much of her life teaching art. She 76 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: taught illustration at the Art Center College of Design, Finder 77 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: a college in various high schools in the region. And 78 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: as busy as she was, my grandma still found plenty 79 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: of time to make her own art. I think it's 80 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: because I lived in a very beautiful area. I really 81 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: loved doing landscape, sea scape, nature because that was the 82 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: environment I lived in. And I love just stepping outside, 83 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: breathing the fresh air, sitting down and capturing it, seeing 84 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: the sunrise, seeing the sunset, seeing the grove of oaks. 85 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: My grandma finally retired from teaching in the spring of 86 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: that summer was particularly hot and dry, and in November 87 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: the fires began in southern California, later called the Wolsey Fire. 88 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: The flames ignited on November eight and quickly ravage Simi 89 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: Valley that dozens of homes have burned in various areas 90 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: this afternoon, including in Bell Canyon, in Agora, in oak Park, 91 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: and in the Malibu Lake area. Fire crews telling us 92 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: that they are not able to do damage assessment yet. 93 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: At first, my grandma thought she was safe in her 94 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: tucked away corner of Malibu, but early one morning that 95 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: all changed. As you heard at the beginning, she got 96 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: a call from her neighbor saying it was time to evacuate. 97 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: The fires were imminent. When the fire was raging towards me, 98 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: there was not a lot of time. I took what 99 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: was the oldest, the most irreplaceable, and the smallest. I 100 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: took a Louisy cart. It's an etching from the nineteen hundreds. 101 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: A couple of heroes she Gaze, which I was seventeenth century, 102 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: and a very old oil painting that I have that's 103 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: nineteenth century. And then a couple of small things of 104 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: painting I had done in Salt, quote Scotland, and a 105 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: photo from Salt because Scotland. These things were all small. 106 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: There was one funny thing I did do. As I 107 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: was getting into my truck, I looked up at my 108 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: art studio and I said, you know what, I just 109 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: bought a bunch of very expensive, nice sable brushes back 110 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: in England last year, and I'm not leaving them, So 111 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: flames be damned. I went up into my studio, opened 112 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: the drawers and grabbed handfuls of brushes. Everything else I 113 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: had to leave, but I got my brushes. As long 114 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: as I had my brushes, all was well. I grabbed 115 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: those things. I put my animals in their animal carriers. 116 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: I had three changes of clothes. I grabbed a box 117 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: that I thought had some important papers in it, got 118 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: on my truck back down the driveway, got down to 119 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: the end of the road and was horrified to see 120 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: that to my left, which is where I was planning 121 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: on going, there were thirty foot flames, so I had 122 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: to turn right and that was it. There was no 123 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: communication for quite a while about what had happened, and 124 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I kept going on to Google Earth and going, oh, looked, 125 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: everything's fine. The house it's still standing. Well, the Google 126 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: Earth wasn't accurate. Finally, my next door neighbor she said, 127 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell you this, but everything's gone. 128 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: So house was gone, art studio was gone, guesthouse was gone, 129 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: everything was gone. All I have to say is you 130 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: have a sense of disbelief for a while. You just 131 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: can't believe that that's possible. It happened November nine, and 132 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: yet wasn't until December one that we were able to 133 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: get back up there, and when we arrived and saw 134 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: it gone, it's just it's just surreal, that's all I 135 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: can tell you. It's surreal. And at that moment, what 136 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: you're glad is that you're alive. The animals are alive, 137 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: and what are you going to do now? What you've 138 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: lost doesn't even really come to you, and it's only afterwards, 139 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: and I do mean long afterwards. A year afterwards, we 140 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: start going, oh my god, I've got no photographs of 141 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: my children, I've got no artwork from what I've done 142 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: for thirty years. Still you come back to square one 143 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,239 Speaker 1: of well, I've got my life, I've got my animals, 144 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: and life goes on. I left my own art work 145 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: that I can never replace. I could never redo that, 146 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: and artwork done by friends and illustrators and from patients 147 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: at the hospital. It's just heartbreaking, it really is. I've 148 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: been able to go on the internet and find some 149 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: of the books that I illustrated and have been able 150 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: to get, but most of them are either too expensive 151 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: because they've become collectors items, or they're out of print. 152 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: Some of them were two hundred dollars a piece. Now 153 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: these are things that originally sold for like six dollars 154 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: a piece. One of them was fifteen. Now, Dad, they go, 155 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, why. But I was able to buy 156 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: a few of them back and thumbing through them, Oh 157 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: my god, they bring back memories of oh yeah, I 158 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: remember doing that. It was amazing to me that my 159 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: grandma instinctively grabbed the works that she did to say, 160 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: from the fire. I asked her to explain what they 161 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: meant to her and describe them for me. It just 162 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: so happens that on one of the walls in my 163 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: bedroom that's where the Louisy cart was and the two 164 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: heroes she Gaze, So there were things I woke up 165 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: to every morning. So there's not only a familiarity to them, 166 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: but there's also they happened to be two artists that 167 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I really love. The two hero she gaze our landscapes 168 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: their Japanese prints, so they're sky, horizon, water, and the 169 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: cart is a defiant young woman looking to a mask 170 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: that is hanging on the wall, and the mask is 171 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: clearly to be the devil. So perhaps there is some 172 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: symbolism to those three things. The other ones the little 173 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: oil paintings I believe it or not of the Bronx 174 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: City Park, but it was done in so the Bronx 175 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: City Park looks like the country. I doubt that it 176 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: looks like that now, and it was just always a 177 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: little peaceful thing to look at. The only painting I 178 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: saved in my own was from Salt Coats, Scotland when 179 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: I was there, and a photograph from there. My husband Norman, 180 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: was from there and I always take my watercolors with 181 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: me and I travel. It's a landscape of the west 182 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: coast of Scotland and the photograph is some young boys 183 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: that are crabbing. They're catching crabs in the harbor. I 184 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: then asked my grandma what she thought would eventually happen 185 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: with these keepsakes and priceless works of art. Well, you don't, 186 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess that depends upon my daughter 187 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: and my grandson, and I hope that they will look 188 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,479 Speaker 1: into who the artists were or look into the places 189 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: that were. That is what art does for us. For 190 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: an example, if you go to the Crocker Museum up 191 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: in Sacramento, there's these amazing, huge, massive paintings of Yosemite 192 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: that we're done by Barnstadt and a couple of artists 193 00:13:53,760 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: who were hired by the American governments. Two document to 194 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: what the new newly acquired national parks looked like. Because 195 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: this was pre photography. There's also books about even where 196 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: I live in Malibu, about what it looked like at 197 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: the time that the artist did it, and it doesn't 198 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: look like that any more. So it's a document of 199 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: what was and I guess in a hope, let's say, 200 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: in the Bronx City Park, is an awareness to protect things. 201 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: I vividly remember those paintings that my grandma saved as 202 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: a child. I would sometimes stare at them for hours 203 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: when I would visit that house in Malibu. But there 204 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: were so many more of them back then. As my 205 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: grandma said, it was like an art gallery or a museum. 206 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: And it's one of my family's biggest tragedies that I'll 207 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: never see any of it again. My grand no doubt 208 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: feels that more than anyone. I certainly never never imagined 209 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: such devastation at the time of something like a fire 210 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: or a hurricane, or a flood or god knows what 211 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, you are not in the 212 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: best state of mind. And even if I had been 213 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: in the most sharpest width at that time, I don't 214 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: know what more I could have physically taken and put 215 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: into my vehicle. In retrospect, I can think of lots 216 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: of things, because our things are not just things. There 217 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: are things that remind us of something or someone. They 218 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: bring back a memory when you pass them on. Your 219 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: hope is that someone else sees something in them. Also. 220 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: Yvonne Sherbock is a California based artist and retired educator. 221 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: She now lives in Ventura, California, and despite losing fifty 222 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: years of her art, she continues to paint and create 223 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: more every day. This episode of Ephemeral was written by 224 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: Trevor Young. I'm produced with Max and Alex Williams and 225 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. Next time on Ephemeral. The only time in 226 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: my life where I'm truly mindful and truly present in 227 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: the moment is when I'm listening outside. I live so 228 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: much of my life planning three or four or five 229 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: steps ahead, trying to be as efficient as possible, trying 230 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: to be as productive as possible. That prevents you from 231 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: living in a moment. When I'm out there, I can 232 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: just be, which is such a relief. It's almost like 233 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: I'm sleeping with a few others sensory systems working. It 234 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: also just brings me into contact with the coolest events 235 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: and organisms that I wouldn't see otherwise if I wasn't 236 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: just sitting and listening and being patient. 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