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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, August thirtieth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we've got

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Speaker 1: one last weekend without NFL football. It's me your man,

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Speaker 1: NAMG Marcus Grant, joined by Michael F. Floria. We are

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Speaker 1: in studio as always. We got Susie, We got Christy.

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Speaker 1: Christy has come out of retirement. It's like Jordan bringing

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Speaker 1: down the twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she wore a forty five shirt in and everything right.

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Speaker 1: It was weird. It was really kind of awkward, but

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Speaker 1: she We're glad she's here to hang out with us

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Speaker 1: for another day. We got more to talk about. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we will finish up our division previews with the NFC West,

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Speaker 1: so we got those four teams to talk about, and

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Speaker 1: we have a visit from the Fantasy Footballers. In case

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Speaker 1: new one popping up in there. It is a dynasty podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you in part by the Fantasy Footballers. So

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Speaker 1: we have Mike, Jason and Andy stopping by it and

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Speaker 1: talk a little dynasty football with us. So look forward

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Speaker 1: to that at some point in the show today. But Florio,

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Speaker 1: we got news. It has happened, sadly, or I guess

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Speaker 1: not happened, as the case may be. Jonathan Taylor is

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Speaker 1: not traded. He looks like he is going to be

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis Colt for the foreseeable future. That is one

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Speaker 1: part of the news. The bigger part of the news, though,

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Speaker 1: is that he will start the season on the physically

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Speaker 1: unable to perform list, the PUP, the pup, whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to call it. It means that he is guaranteed

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Speaker 1: to miss at least the first four games of the season.

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Speaker 1: So he's hurt, he's unhappy, He's gonna be out for

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Speaker 1: at least a month. Now what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is officially the most scared I have ever

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Speaker 2: been about Jonathan Taylor since he entered the league. Look,

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Speaker 2: I was the guy like his rookie year being like, no,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna catch a bunch of passes and then and

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Speaker 2: we all know how great he's been. But now like,

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Speaker 2: this is at least four games. But I think we

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Speaker 2: have to say at least because one there's bad blood

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Speaker 2: between him and the Colts. Two there's apparently a legit

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Speaker 2: injury that he is dealing with, So can this linger

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Speaker 2: beyond four weeks? And one thing that I, me and

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Speaker 2: you joke about is like AJ Green's final year with

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, where every year he was like, this is

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Speaker 2: the week AJ Green's coming back, and then come Friday

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Speaker 2: he was ruled out. I have concerns if Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 2: could go a year like that because clearly there's bad

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Speaker 2: blood here. But I put out a Twitter poll yesterday

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Speaker 2: and I said, knowing he's out at least four games,

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Speaker 2: where would you draft Jonathan Taylor? And the most vote

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Speaker 2: getter was eighth round or later with thirty four percent.

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Speaker 2: If you give me the chance to take Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 2: in the eighth round or later, I'm gonna do it

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Speaker 2: every single time, because, yeah, maybe he misses four games.

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Speaker 2: He could miss eight games and at that point still

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Speaker 2: help me win a fantasy championship if he is Jonathan

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Speaker 2: Taylor down the stretch. But I would not pay like

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Speaker 2: a fourth fifth, maybe even say round price for that.

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Speaker 1: So looking at his ADP chart on Fantasy Football Calculator

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Speaker 1: on Monday, August seventh, Jonathan Taylor was the one Dot nine.

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Speaker 1: As of this morning, I guess you could say yesterday,

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Speaker 1: essentially he was the three dot one that's likely to

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Speaker 1: go down a little bit more. So let's let's just

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Speaker 1: sit here and talk about like, let's put him down.

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Speaker 1: Let's say fifth round. Right, Let's say he falls two

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Speaker 1: rounds to the fifth round. Who would you rather? And

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Speaker 1: plays ten games this year, right, that he misses a

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Speaker 1: couple more for whatever reason. Uh, Jonathan Taylor or Alexander Madison.

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Speaker 2: As of right now, I have Jonathan Taylor ranked just

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Speaker 2: ahead of Alexander Madison.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Jonathan Taylor or Rashad White Taylor, I'm not

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Speaker 2: I am a white guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. Where we go, let's clear that up right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I take Taylor over over Rashad White.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have I'm big on James Connor. Let's say

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Speaker 2: I get it because McVeigh is not one to trust

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Speaker 2: me yesterday, and I think it's a really good comparison

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Speaker 1: Oh, I would probably take Camara. It's close, but I'd

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Speaker 1: is close. I look, I don't know that I would

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Speaker 1: that's just sort of me.

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Speaker 2: I think sixth for me is the sweet spot.

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I've seen a lot of people

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Speaker 1: say that they're not drafting Taylor, that they're staying away,

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Speaker 1: they're going to let him be someone else's headache. And

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Speaker 1: the field. So I think there's still something there, and

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Speaker 1: a healthy and motivated Jonathan Taylor is still worth something.

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Speaker 1: And you and I were talking before the show. The

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Speaker 1: Colts as of this moment, as of us recording this show,

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Speaker 1: have three receivers on the roster. They Michael Whitman Jr.

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Speaker 1: They have Alex Pearce, they have Josh Downs. That's it.

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Speaker 1: This offense cannot survive on just Anthony Richardson running the football.

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Speaker 1: So a healthy Jonathan Taylor is going to get a

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Speaker 1: lot of touches this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I was so bullish on him

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just starting to look through like the fifth round, guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's see who I like. Deontay Johnson I

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Speaker 1: you know, Mike Williams is there. But yeah, fifth or

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Speaker 2: But this is definitely a scary time. We have our

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Speaker 2: Fantasy Live Draft tonight. I'm very curious to see.

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Speaker 1: Where very curious to see where Jonathan Taylor goes. And

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Speaker 1: for anybody who has already drafted him, yeah, good luck.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of people tweeting like, I'm just

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Speaker 1: refreshing to see what happens with Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 2: If you are not going to be like, if you're

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Speaker 2: auto drafting, you need to set your cue because you're

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Speaker 2: gonna get auto drafted Jonathan Taylor in like this second

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna have to like rank him in the

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Speaker 1: miss the first four games of the season. Turning our

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Speaker 1: attention now to the National Football Conference Western Division. It

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Speaker 1: is the final of our division previews here, and as always,

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Speaker 1: we are going alphabetical by city name or I guess,

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Speaker 1: region name, state name. We'll start with the Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: because Arizona is NATY. Their top fantasy scorers from last year,

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, who was the QB nineteen, obviously was injured

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Speaker 1: He was RB nineteen with two hundred and change. Marquise

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Speaker 1: Brown your top fantasy receiver, just a couple of spots

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Speaker 1: ahead of DeAndre Hopkins. Hollywood had one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: six fantasy points wide receiver forty four Zach Ertz, who

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Speaker 1: fantasy points tight end nineteen. In the offseason, they lost

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Speaker 1: really fantasy relevant. Trace McSorley, Darryl Williams, Robbie Chosen aka

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Pharaoh Cooper. They are no longer worshiping the pharaoh

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Speaker 1: there in the desert. Aj Green said goodbye to the

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Speaker 1: The drafted wide receiver Michael Wilson. First Cardinal off the board.

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Speaker 1: You gotta wait a while. It is James Connor at

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Speaker 1: the six dot five. So we're talking about Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 1: How many games we think he's going to play more

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Speaker 2: Originally I was under and then I've started to get

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Speaker 2: convinced that it will be more and I've kind of

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Speaker 2: come back full circle, and I think it's the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Like they're bad.

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Speaker 2: How bad are they? They are excited for Josh Jobs

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Speaker 2: potentially being their starting quarterback this season, and no offense

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Speaker 2: to Dobbs or to Toon or anyone. This is going

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Speaker 2: to be one of the worst offenses in football. It

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Speaker 2: Kayleb Williams next year, potentially maybe hey Man Marvin Harrison

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Speaker 2: because they also have the Texans first round picks, so

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Speaker 2: a lot of that. This team is building for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four and beyond. Because of that, What purpose do

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Speaker 2: they have to rush Kyler Murray, especially if they're on

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Speaker 2: four oh and five oh and six. Eventually bringing Kyler

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Speaker 2: Murray back becomes a disservice to your long term interest.

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Speaker 2: So I understand that oftentimes we don't get football players

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Speaker 2: being held out for an entire season. They want to play.

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Speaker 2: Kyler I think will push to play, But the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: have incentive to drag this out as long as they can.

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Speaker 1: They really do and remember last year the Houston Texans

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Speaker 1: I do think he plays this year. I think it's

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Speaker 1: But this team really could only win a couple of

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Speaker 1: and that very well could have an impact on how

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Speaker 1: many times we see Kyler Murray this season. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the favorite for the number one pick for

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Speaker 1: Absolutely already talking you mentioned it. They're talking about the

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Speaker 1: of wide receivers, how interested have you been in drafting

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Speaker 1: Marquise Brown now that it looks like Josh Dobbs is

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Speaker 2: Not a whole lot. I thought in the start of

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Speaker 2: Outside the top thirty. I could see him finishing as

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Speaker 2: would be an absolute nightmare because Marquis Brown is someone

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Speaker 2: luck figuring out when, because it's not a mark He's

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Speaker 2: Brown thing. It's say, who's throwing him the ball?

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Speaker 2: Like if Kyler Murray was throwing him the ball and

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Speaker 2: there was no DeAndre Hopkins there, I would make a

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Speaker 1: Wide receiver, but I just don't see it. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard. This team's not gonna score a

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Speaker 1: But the wide receivers are going to be a lot

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Speaker 1: Is Ron Dale more even draftable?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: If I was, honestly, if I was taking a wide

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Speaker 1: Who How do you like him? You like it in

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Speaker 2: I liked him in the draft. I think that if

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Speaker 2: have been talking him up a lot more. He could

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Speaker 2: play in the slot, he could play out wide. He

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Speaker 2: was the one playing in two wide receiver sets with

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Speaker 2: He's just a late round flyer at that cost. Sure,

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Speaker 1: That's probably I don't even know if I want that.

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Speaker 1: I honestly, I've drafted James Connor a lot. I really

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Speaker 1: like James Connor. I even took a couple of late

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Speaker 1: tight end at best. I'm not counting on him every week.

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Speaker 1: But the Cardinal is gonna be bad, and I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm just avoiding it where I can.

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Speaker 2: I kind of feel bad for zach Ertz, for a

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Speaker 2: just this is like the worst way of a career.

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Speaker 1: Because yeah, this is because this is probably the end

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Speaker 1: not great, hey man. At least though he got a

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Speaker 1: the best thing to say there for him. Over to

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams, their top twenty two fantasy scoreres

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford was the QB thirty two with one hundred

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Speaker 1: cam Akers, despite all the ups and downs, and the

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Speaker 1: frustrations with him in the backfield. He was the top

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Speaker 1: scoring Rams running back RB thirty five, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty one Fantasy points for him. Cooper Cup your top

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Speaker 1: scoring fantasy or a wide wide receiver for the Rams

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Speaker 1: for fantasy, I'll get all that out. He was the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver twenty three, missed a good chunk of the season,

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Speaker 1: was still your wide receiver twenty three with two hundred points.

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Speaker 1: That's how good Cooper Cup was for the Rams despite

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Speaker 1: ended up as you're tight in six one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty two Fantasy points for Higbee, especially once Cup went down,

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Speaker 1: he was kind of all they had consistently in the

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Speaker 1: agency Brett Rippon and Hunter Long. They draft Stetson, Bennett Davis, Allen, Pooka, Nakua,

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Speaker 1: bit antsy. How concerned are you about Cooper Cup?

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Speaker 2: To quote the late great Johnny manziel Zero, I truly

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Speaker 2: am not. Like I've drafted Cooper Cup in the first

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Speaker 2: will continue to do so, especially like I got him

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Speaker 2: eleventh overall in a draft this weekend. To me, I

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Speaker 2: know that doesn't seem like a huge discount. You're still

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Speaker 2: that's a big discount there. You've probably heard me say

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Speaker 2: this already, but the last year and a half that

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup has been healthy has been the greatest year

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Speaker 2: and a half run by a wide receiver ever in history.

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Speaker 2: Like two years ago, most Fantasy points ever, last year

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Speaker 2: was on pace for the second most ever, was better

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Speaker 2: other day he was like cooking Patrick surtanet practice. If

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Speaker 2: you guaranteed me that Matthew Stafford plays the full season,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's I know we've talked about

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Speaker 1: it's just me getting antsy because we just haven't seen

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Speaker 1: better safe than sorry. But I just want to see him.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know. I just want to feel

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say more unless he gets hurt and miss

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Speaker 2: his games. I think it's easy to forget that two

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Speaker 2: years ago he threw forty one touchdowns. Like I know,

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Speaker 2: last year was rough, but by every report, he is

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Speaker 2: the back will always be a concern, but we're hearing

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Speaker 2: I think if they're going to compete this year, they're

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Speaker 2: more pass attempts for Matthew Stafford, which leads to more

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go slightly above too, not a ton. I

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Speaker 1: How much of a threat is Kyron Williams to Cam Akers?

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Speaker 2: Normally I would say not much, but when it's Cam

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Speaker 2: Couple of weeks. Remember Darryl Henderson, I do like that

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Speaker 1: He was the guy that was going to push Acres

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Speaker 1: No one has signed Darryl Henderson and we haven't.

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Speaker 1: Join now buy some very special guests. Of course, if

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Footballers. Welcome to the I Thay, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Awesome you guys. I know you're on tour this summer.

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Speaker 4: We got some tricks up our sleeve for that show. Wow,

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Speaker 1: That would be amazing to do that while your podcast,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, next time, you got to come

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Speaker 1: We're not We're not giving away any secrets here on

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Speaker 1: this one while you are here. It's also a good

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Speaker 1: chance for us to introduce the fact that you guys

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Speaker 1: are doing a Dynasty podcast now. The Fantasy Football is

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Speaker 1: by the iHeartRadio Group, and so we felt like that

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Speaker 1: would be a good opportunity to talk some Dynasty football here.

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Speaker 1: It's not something we do a ton of. We mentioned

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Speaker 1: it especially in the offseason, but because you know, I

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Speaker 1: know for a lot of people haven't necessarily dove in

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Speaker 1: maybe dipping their toe in it for the first time.

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Speaker 1: We figured this would be a good opportunity to give

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Speaker 1: some tips and tricks, some strategies for the first time

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Speaker 1: dynasty managers. So I mean, just kind of go around

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Speaker 1: the horn. Andy. If somebody's coming to you and saying,

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Speaker 1: I am playing in a dynasty league for the first time,

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Speaker 1: what do they need to know?

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Speaker 3: It's a great question because I think the major mistake

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Speaker 3: that happens in a lot of those leagues is that

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Speaker 3: the focus becomes on only drafting the youngest players possible.

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Speaker 3: You go into a dynasty format and you're trying to

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're trying to build a dynasty. You're trying

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Speaker 3: to build the future. And I think sometimes people and

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Speaker 3: we've been in leagues before where it's a per it

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Speaker 3: kind of rebuilding process that happens for these teams.

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Speaker 4: A building process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we call it just building, and you just keep

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Speaker 3: you know, you trade talent for draft picks, or you

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Speaker 3: or you look at younger player, younger player, younger player,

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Speaker 3: and there's just so much that happens at the NFL

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Speaker 3: level to get a player to develop into an actual asset,

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Speaker 3: and so you know, being willing to take the discount

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Speaker 3: on a player that is you know, I'm not talking

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Speaker 3: over the hill. I'm talking about somebody right in the

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Speaker 3: prime and assembling a roster that can compete today. I

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Speaker 3: am a big fan of taking that strategy, and I

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Speaker 3: believe that, you know, one of the fun things about

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Speaker 3: dynasty fantasy football is hitting that offseason and attacking how

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Speaker 3: you build the next season and leveraging future draft picks

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Speaker 3: for assets that you know are very valuable today. So

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Speaker 3: I just think overvaluing youth can be a mistake that

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Speaker 3: fantasy footballers make when they start playing dynasty.

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Speaker 1: To your point, I always say that a lot of

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Speaker 1: dynasty managers are building for a future that never come.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yes, we joke about it all the time.

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Speaker 2: Like like legitimately, two years ago, when Jonathan Taylor, you know,

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Speaker 2: broke out had that RB one season, Dynasty, Twitter was

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Speaker 2: like sell him and we were like, he's twenty three

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Speaker 2: years old or whatever he was at the time, Like

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Speaker 2: you need some good players on your team at some

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Speaker 2: point and just be like, hey, this is my guy now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not like it doesn't hurt when the

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Speaker 3: guy falls off the cliff and you you didn't cash

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Speaker 3: in early enough. But you can overreact to that for sure,

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Speaker 3: and you can you know, trade a known commodie for

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Speaker 3: an unknown and then you're left holding the bag and

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Speaker 3: kind of like in the rebuilding process.

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Speaker 1: Right, Jason, your your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 5: My My main tip that I would give anyone starting

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Speaker 5: a new dynasty draft that they're doing a startup and

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Speaker 5: they're trying to draft their team, is to avoid in

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Speaker 5: those first few rounds, try your best to avoid running

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Speaker 5: back land mines. Running Backs are so important for fantasy.

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Speaker 5: Everyone that's played fantasy but not dynasty knows like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I want a championship because I had Todd Gurley in

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Speaker 5: this special year or whoever it is. You know, Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 5: This is how you win is these running backs. But

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Speaker 5: the modern day NFL running backs, I mean, you can't

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Speaker 5: even get a second contract now, even when you're good.

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Speaker 4: It's so tough.

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Speaker 5: So they get no respect in the NFL. And so

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Speaker 5: for fantasy, the first few rounds is so full of

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Speaker 5: great long term known commodities.

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Speaker 4: At wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know you've got the guys at the

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Speaker 5: top that you know you're justin Jefferson's and Jamar Chase's

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Speaker 5: you're not gonna get those wrong. But I think when

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Speaker 5: you're in the second round and the third round and

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Speaker 5: even the fourth round, you're staring at a good running

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Speaker 5: back and a good wide.

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Speaker 4: Receiver, take the wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: Because those guys will play much longer, they will get

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Speaker 5: another contract, and they're still valuable. It's not like I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: don't draft a running back and only draft a wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: No matter who the running back is and no matter

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Speaker 5: who the wide receiver is, are there still good quality

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Speaker 5: wide receivers that you know you're drafting in the third

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Speaker 5: and fourth round where they're twenty five twenty four years old.

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Speaker 5: They're really talented. You've already seen them on the NFL

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Speaker 5: field and they've scored a lot of fantasy points.

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Speaker 4: Like, just hoard them, grab them all, keep them to yourself,

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Speaker 4: put them in a pile.

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Speaker 5: Once the startup draft is over, you're gonna wish you

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Speaker 5: had them. The wide receivers are the way to go

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Speaker 5: in the dynasty league for.

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Speaker 3: Me, and if I can piggyback that we talked about

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Speaker 3: this earlier, they are less disruptible by what happens in

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Speaker 3: the draft. We use the example of like Kenneth Walker

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Speaker 3: was a top line Dynasty running back and then they

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Speaker 3: drave Zach Sharbonay and you don't look at him the

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Speaker 3: same yet, justin Jefferson's the number one Dynasty wide receiver,

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Speaker 3: they draft Jordan Edison and you're like, so what, I

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Speaker 3: don't care? If I don't care, So they're less disruptible,

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Speaker 3: more reliable in that sense, and we all want a

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Speaker 3: great running back. But it's just one of those things

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Speaker 3: where we went back and looked at our Dynasty startup

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Speaker 3: from the early days, and the teams that that didn't

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Speaker 3: do very well were the ones that invested in really

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Speaker 3: short shelf life foundations for the Dynasty team.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of times you you don't think it's

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Speaker 5: a short shelf life. You're drafting these running backs that

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Speaker 5: are great, and you're thinking, oh, yeah, I'm walking away

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Speaker 5: with a top five guy, and maybe you are for

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Speaker 5: two years.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, look at all the people who probably

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Speaker 1: spent a high draft pick on Clyde Edwards Hilaire, Yeah guilty, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but when he went to the tea, look

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Speaker 1: at them all, well went we all went berserk thinking

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Speaker 1: that this was going to be the future there and

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Speaker 1: since then they've drafted Isaiah but Checko Jack McKinnon came

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Yeah, you know, it sort of like

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Speaker 1: they get the Undertaker popping out of the coffin and

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Speaker 1: just like you know, had a big end of season run.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's something to it. I think

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Speaker 1: it goes to your point Andy too, about not necessarily

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Speaker 1: loading up on a ton of young players. I think

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Speaker 1: you can talk about Ceh, you can talk about Travis

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Speaker 1: Etn with him drafting Tank Bigsby now there in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's a trap that that gets

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Speaker 1: easy to fall into, I think in the early rounds.

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Speaker 1: So you got a couple of I think very sensible,

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Speaker 1: you know, straightforward things. Mike your thought.

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Speaker 4: So I'll talk about trading.

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Speaker 6: So in Dynasty, you kind of have to figure out

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Speaker 6: the market, and this is like invest yourself into resources

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Speaker 6: like like you know, like the Fantasy Football is Dynasty

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Speaker 6: podcast or there's there's a but there's a bunch of

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Speaker 6: like really good Dynasty shows out there, Dynasty content. Make

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Speaker 6: sure you dive in learn all all that you can

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Speaker 6: because there's a lot of wisdom out there, but I

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Speaker 6: want to specifically hit on is thinking in terms of

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Speaker 6: if I'm going to trade for a player, I'm hoping

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Speaker 6: that I have at least a three year window. And

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Speaker 6: then when it comes to rookie picks, here's where things

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Speaker 6: get wild, because once you're invested in the world of

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Speaker 6: dynasty fantasy football, nothing is more exciting.

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Speaker 4: They're like young rookies are fun. You know, it's more exciting.

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Speaker 4: Numbers just this.

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Speaker 6: I have the one o two, I have the one

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Speaker 6: oh three, and you're like this, this could be anything

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Speaker 6: like yeah, it it could it could be a piece

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Speaker 6: of crap.

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Speaker 4: Or it could be an incredibly good player. It's there.

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Speaker 4: It's all over the place, So.

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Speaker 6: Do not overvalue your draft picks when they're When someone's

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Speaker 6: offering you a deal, you're like, well, I don't know

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Speaker 6: my draft pick. Might it could be a boat, like

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Speaker 6: for a family guy reference.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 6: But there's players who are very good, so look for them.

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Speaker 6: And on top of that, your your chance of hitting

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Speaker 6: on a player who will ever start a single game

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Speaker 6: for your fantasy football team in the third round of

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Speaker 6: rookie picks is so catastrophically low, and it never feels

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Speaker 6: like that when you're in the when you're in the

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Speaker 6: watching the NFL draft going, you're like, oh, I'm must

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Speaker 6: I'm ast sneak that guy on my team in the

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Speaker 6: third round. I can't wait because you look at the

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Speaker 6: third round like, oh, you look at all these incredible picks.

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Speaker 6: Go back two years later, look what happened to the

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Speaker 6: third round? You go, ooh, that's a bunch of duds.

653
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: There's always on the waiver wire.

654
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like.

655
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 6: One, maybe two guys who hit in the third round.

656
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 6: So just understand the math. Understand the probability the chance

657
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 6: that your pick is gonna be the one who breaks

658
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 6: out from the third round very very low. And other

659
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 6: people will believe that they can take a third round

660
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 6: and turn it into something, so cash in trade those

661
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 6: thirds away.

662
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: They're pretty much worthless.

663
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: You're way more optimistic than I am in the third round.

664
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I get to the third round of rookie drafts and

665
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, man, I guess.

666
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: I think like.

667
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: Hope is what always yes drives like trade hope.

668
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: Ever since I started doing this, every year, when the

669
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: draft comes along, dynasty communities like next year's draft is

670
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: the one where you want all you yes, trade everyone

671
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: for next and like them, you get to the class

672
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: and like it's like, no, it's not anything special. So

673
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: like people are always thinking that all these next crop

674
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: of college players are going to be the best big

675
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: breakout of the and it's never really.

676
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

677
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: What's funny is is is sometimes you have the NFL

678
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: teams that assymbol via free agency, but it always feels

679
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: better if you assemble veal the draft. Yes, so there's

680
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: a little bit of the satisfaction that comes from I've

681
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: picked them. They became great on my team, And I

682
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: think that allure makes those draft picks seem like you

683
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: always see the rose colored glasses side of the picks.

684
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask Mike what it's like to

685
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: have picks I have not familiar with rookie draft picks.

686
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 6: Well, sometimes you have the one on one and you

687
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 6: draft Clyde.

688
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: Edwards a layer. Oh is that what that's like?

689
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're just like, Okay, the most valuable pick

690
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 6: in all of rookie drafts. I threw it into the garbage,

691
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 6: lit it on the fire, only to watch the very

692
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 6: next pick. At least for his few first few years

693
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 6: of Johnny Taylor was the number one guy.

694
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 4: Yeah.

695
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: Man, it's funny you talk about that, Andy though, like

696
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: free agency versus drafting. I think it's because deep down

697
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: we all think we're great at scouting.

698
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: I am.

699
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: Like all these all these videos we see on Trader,

700
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: Like you know, one rep here, one rep there, and

701
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, man, this guy is the dude. And

702
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I think we all we all feel like we're great

703
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: at scouting. So if we get that rookie, and we

704
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: hit that rookie in the third round, you know, we

705
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: feel like we're all Howie Roseman or something.

706
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the pride comes before the Clyde edwardsire.

707
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what they say, exactly before Clyde, before Clyde.

708
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Amazing.

709
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: Man, are you guys opposed to Like, if you're in

710
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: a dynasty, startup right, everyone's going to be pulling up

711
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: the younger players.

712
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 5: Yep?

713
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: Would you? Are you opposed to being like Tyreek Hill,

714
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup, DeVante Adams, Like, I know these guys windows

715
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: are only a couple of years, But if I could

716
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: build a powerhouse for two years, flags fly forever.

717
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 5: I think the best approach is to mix them together.

718
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 5: You want to find some of the veteran values that

719
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 5: are dropping in drafts because you know, people are like, ah,

720
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 5: he's old, and it's like, well, yeah, but he's still

721
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 5: really good. He's going to be like a top ten

722
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 5: wide receiver, like a Tyreek Hill. He's a very valuable asset.

723
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 5: You can't just let those guys go. But if I

724
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 5: were to have drafted somehow the first two rounds was

725
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 5: Tyreek Hill and Cooper Cup, I am gonna look for

726
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 5: a younger guy. I don't want my entire roster to

727
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 5: age out at the same time, and I think it's

728
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 5: important that you mix in the now and the future

729
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 5: at the same time.

730
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: With the Dynasty League.

731
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: I feel like, if you're doing it right, you should

732
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 5: always be able to compete, like year after year after

733
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 5: year after year, never have to tear it down and rebuild.

734
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 5: And I think you can get in that have to

735
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 5: rebuild mode if you do either.

736
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: One of the other options.

737
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 5: If you go all youth, you're just already there because

738
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 5: they don't pan out, or if you go all veterans,

739
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 5: they will age out together and you'll be like, oh, yeah,

740
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 5: you have to.

741
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 3: Be you have to be ready and willing to make

742
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: significant trades. If you go heavy veteran and cash in

743
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: on you know, the actual truth, not the Jonathan Taylor

744
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: trade him at twenty three, but the you know move

745
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: move a guy at at thirty years old or twenty

746
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: nine years old when they still had a good season.

747
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: The hard part is finding takers though for some of

748
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: those guys too. Yeah, when you get you get older players,

749
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: it's harder.

750
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 4: To move that round.

751
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: Yah yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, Florio, your thoughts on

752
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: first year Dynasty manager.

753
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: My thing is always to try to compete right away.

754
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to load up on all the veterans,

755
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to be the guy drafting all

756
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: the young players as well. I agree, I want like

757
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: a mix, and I'm not afraid to use my early

758
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: picks on veterans because maybe I'm that guy who's like

759
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: I can scout, but I trust that I can find

760
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: younger players that I like later in the drafts. But

761
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: my thing is in Dynasty, and we've talked about it

762
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: a lot. I think people always plan too far ahead

763
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: and that makes it more attainable to win your league

764
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: right away. And I'm I have add I'm very impatient.

765
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: I want that trophy now. I don't want it three

766
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: years from now because it might never come.

767
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: You don't trust the process.

768
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: No opposite of that. I'm like what the Mets did

769
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: this year. I want to spend it all and if

770
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: it blows up, I'll have all those third round picks.

771
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: But I do like to try to make my starting

772
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: lineup like as ready to win a championship immediately.

773
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: As I can.

774
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 5: If you if you have this thought ever in dynasty

775
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 5: of saying, oh man, in two years, my team's gonna

776
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 5: be so good, or in three years, I'm gonna dominate,

777
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 5: you are doing it wrong because go back two years

778
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 5: or three years ago and look at those rosters anywhere

779
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 5: and then see how much change there was that you did.

780
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: You would never have expected.

781
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: The NFL's wild, whether it's injuries or contract issues or

782
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 5: guys just straight retiring. Like, you can't plan for three

783
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 5: years from now. There's it's impossible.

784
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: I think it's the biggest difference between fantasy football and

785
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: like fantasy baseball, fantasy basketball, because those athletes last a

786
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: lot longer. You can plan three years ahead into sports

787
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: Like I used to be a big fantasy baseball dynasty player,

788
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, you can plan three years in advance

789
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, if I have a young hitter,

790
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: he's gonna be great in football. It's not like that.

791
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: Football is a violent game and every player is one

792
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: injury away from their career being completely different. So that's

793
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: a big reason why I'm like, no, I'm I'm just

794
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: gonna go all in.

795
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 4: And a dynasty startup too.

796
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: Probably all the other managers are going to be looking

797
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: for a slightly long review, so you've got that window

798
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 3: at the very top to maybe grab a couple of

799
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: titles whether well figuring it out.

800
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: Let's also be pragmatic, right, There're gonna be a lot

801
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: of dynasty leagues that probably fold within two or three.

802
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 4: Years, and then you don't even get the playoffs.

803
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: Go try to win now, because who knows if your

804
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: league is going to be around.

805
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 6: Ye, you're right, true the Kyle Shanahan approach. I don't

806
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 6: know if I'm gonna be alive on Sunday.

807
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: I think we can all media might hit who knows

808
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen.

809
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: Dynasty or I guess the least favorite in a way,

810
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: but it's the person who trades all of their future assets,

811
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: wins the championship and then it's like, you know, I think.

812
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna walk do that. Don't be that guy.

813
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: If you're listening, don't be that person.

814
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: At least got to stay around for one more year

815
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: being at the bottom.

816
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Everybody you sit in your field, everybody's got it, you know, like, yeah,

817
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: you gotta in your field in the same way the

818
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: people who win and then and then bail too, right,

819
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: because everybody's got to get one more shot at you.

820
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: If you're the champion, you can just leave with a crown.

821
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: And one of my dynasty leagues, a manager tried to

822
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: do that. We made him pay two years worth of

823
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 2: replacements by like, you cannot just no picks in the

824
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: first six rounds or something like that.

825
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: I was like, you can't.

826
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I would say that for me you mentioned

827
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, I would say that, you know, don't necessarily

828
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: be beholden to guys just because you maybe drafted them

829
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: highly in a rookie draft. At some point you have

830
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: to be willing to sort of cut bait on guys.

831
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: And I say this with somebody who still has tree

832
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: Lance sitting at the bottom of it. We sort of

833
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: joked amongst ourselves that you know it would be like

834
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: you're doing a fantasy football episode of Hoarders, right where

835
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: you're just going through somebody's roster and you're just clearing

836
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: things out because you know, you believe, and you're part

837
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: of the You're part of the hive, right, You're part

838
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: of the sky More hive that thinks it's going to

839
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: happen one year and if it doesn't after a couple

840
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: of years, you don't need those guys clogging up your rosters.

841
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: So while you may believe that you are the best scout,

842
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: and you may believe you've seen all these Twitter videos,

843
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: at some point the team itself, the NFL team, is

844
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: telling you how they feel about a guy, and at

845
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: that point it's sort of.

846
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 4: Doesn't send him your scouting reports.

847
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: You're wrong, Kyle, You're not doing it right in the

848
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: rain right exactly. So, I mean, I think at some

849
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: point we we sort of fall in love with these

850
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: guys and we want to believe that they're going to

851
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: turn things around. And at some point you just sort

852
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: of have to have that long talk in the mirror

853
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: with yourself, right and understand that you know, hey, look

854
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: it's just it's just not going to work out, you know,

855
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: that Trent Richardson things.

856
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: Just not happening. Oh man, So it's time.

857
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Out to see you know. I mean, it's just sort

858
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: of it because I think I think, you know, I

859
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: think at some point we've probably all been guilty of it,

860
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: just holding onto that guy a year or two too

861
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: long because this is the year, this is the year.

862
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 6: Gonna you do build more of a you know, the

863
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 6: long term emotional connection.

864
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: Connection to the player because it's you know, they're your guy.

865
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: You don't give them back at the end of the year.

866
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

867
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you say that. I remember I've played

868
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: I've played Fantasy with former players and a couple of

869
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: them said they don't like making trades because they feel

870
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: like it's going to hurt the players feeling. And I'm like,

871
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: you know, this guy doesn't actually know that you've traded him,

872
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: first of all, and second, he doesn't have to leave

873
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: his house, like, yeah, he.

874
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: Actually plays for the NFL.

875
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: He's moving to a new city because you traded him,

876
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: you know something like that. So uh so, yeah, man.

877
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Speaker 1: Continuing along with the NFC West, the San Francisco forty

889
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: nine ers next up for us their top scorers last year.

890
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo was your top quarterback from San Francisco. I

891
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: know we talked a lot about Brock Purty, but Jimmy

892
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: g played a good chunk of the season before getting

893
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: hurt and giving way to Perty. He was QB twenty five.

894
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey was the RB two. Overall. Of those points,

895
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty eight point four of them came

896
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: with San Francisco. I looked that up. Two hundred and

897
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: thirty eight point four points on its own would have

898
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: made him the RB eleven. So that from that was

899
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: from week seven to the end of the year that

900
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: he scored that he just that would have been QB

901
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: or RB eleven rather yeah, because his first.

902
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: Game he barely played, but he still put up numbers.

903
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So he was still a beast with the

904
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: forty nine.

905
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: Ers, and then he ended the season as their quarterback.

906
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he absolutely did. Brandon Ayuk was the number one

907
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: one wide receiver in San Francisco two hundred and twenty

908
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: seven point eight points wide receiver fifteen, and George Kittle

909
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: no surprise, the top tight end tight end three, two

910
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: hundred and a half points. In the offseason, and they

911
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: said goodbye to Jimmy Garoppolo. They of course last week

912
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: traded away Trey Lance. Josh Johnson, who was pressed into

913
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: service for them in the NFC Championship game, also said

914
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: goodbye to Tyler Croft. In free agency, they get Brandon Allen,

915
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold who is their QB two now, and Chris Conley.

916
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: They drafted a kicker in the third round, Jake Moody.

917
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: They also drafted Cameron Lay two and Ronnie Bell first

918
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: off the board, no shock, Christian McCaffrey right now the

919
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: one dot two and a lot of drafts are we

920
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: overdrafting Deebo Samuel right now?

921
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: I think so. Like the only season that Deebo Samuel

922
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: has been a top thirty wide receiver was this season

923
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: that he played running back. I get it. Deebo Samuel

924
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: is one of those players that we cannot quantify everything

925
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: that he does on the football field into fantasy points,

926
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: and because of that, it leads to people thinking Deebo

927
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: Samuel's one of the top receivers in football. I'm not

928
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: denying it, but when you're doing a fantasy draft, people

929
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: see that name and they're like, Okay, he's great, I'll

930
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: take him in the fourth round. And I think you're

931
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: gonna be hard pressed to get fourth round value in

932
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: fantasy football from him, especially because last year he was

933
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: bottom two amongst receivers in air yards per target, and

934
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: now Christian McCaffrey is there to take a lot of

935
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: those short yard passage away. So for me, Deebo is

936
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: someone that I have been avoiding in all of my drafts.

937
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: So that one big year he had in twenty twenty one,

938
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: he had fourteen hundred receiving yards, he has never come

939
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: close to that at any point in his career. His

940
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: rookie season, he was just over eight hundred yards twenty twenty.

941
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: He was hurt, mister. A good chunk of the season

942
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: was under four hundred. Last year six hundred and thirty two.

943
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: The receiving numbers have never quite matched it. Obviously, you

944
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: mentioned he had the big rushing year. He ran for

945
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five yards eight rushing touchdowns that year.

946
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: It's just that you look at his his stat lines

947
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: that year is such a major outlier, and I think

948
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: to your point, everybody is sort of chasing that. Again,

949
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: Deebo is a guy who is great for real football.

950
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Everybody wants look after he had that big year. What

951
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: was a phrase you kept hearing. Every team's looking for

952
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: a Deebo Samuel, Right, this guy has Deebo Samuel potential

953
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: or they're gonna use him in a Deebo Samuel role.

954
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: Debo is kind of He's an individual. He is one

955
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: of one, and I think we're still trying to chase

956
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: what that major production was. The Niners aren't going to

957
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: get that out of him because the Niners don't need

958
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: that out of him. They have so many other places

959
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: to go with the football that they don't need debo

960
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: to be that. If he turned out to be a superhero, great,

961
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: they're not gonna ask that of him. But for him

962
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: to return the kind of value that you need where

963
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: you're drafting him, you want him to be. You know, look,

964
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: if he's not Iron Man or Captain America, you at

965
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: least wanted to be Hawkeye. And I'm not even sure

966
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: that he's that. Actually he's probably better than Hawkeye anyway,

967
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think we're reaching a little bit

968
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: too much for him. If I'm taking a forty nine

969
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: ers receiver. It's been Brandon Aiyuk so great this year.

970
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: Next question, are we overdrafting George Kittle? Yes?

971
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: And I know this, like I wrote this in one

972
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: of my articles. This feels dirty to be avoiding one

973
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: of the best offenses in football, But there are so

974
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: many mouths to feed in this offense. And George Kittle

975
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: was the definition of boomer bus last year. Like, yeah,

976
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: you look at his game log, it's like, oh, eighty

977
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: three yards, ninety eight yards, one hundred and twenty yards,

978
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 2: but eleven times he had less than fifty yards. He

979
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: averaged just fifty yards per game. And of those no,

980
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: it was twelve times sorry, eleven of them were lower

981
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: than forty yards, so the floor is very low. He

982
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: will have some big games because he's George Kittle like.

983
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: He is still a very good talent. But if I'm

984
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: paying up for a tight end, I want it to

985
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: be someone who could consistently give me an advantage week

986
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: in and week out. And to me, I think George

987
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 2: Kittle is the most the toughest to figure out we

988
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: week of the top seven tight ends. That's why of

989
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: those top seven, he is the one that I find

990
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: myself drafting the least. In fact, I don't know if

991
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: I have George Kittle on any of my teams this year.

992
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: And when you talk about avoiding this offense, it's a

993
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: voiding this offense at cost. Yes, if any of these

994
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: guys happens to fall, they're absolutely draftable. The Niners are

995
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: a good offense. They're going to score points. But it

996
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: is sort of dealing with the volatility week to week

997
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: with some of these guys. And I look at where

998
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: George Kittle's going off the board, sort of mid fifth round.

999
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: A few picks after that, as Darren Waller, about a

1000
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: round after that is Dallas Goddard early seventh round is

1001
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. I think I would rather take all of

1002
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: those guys than taking George Kittle in the fifth round. Now,

1003
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: let's say you flip flop Kittle and you put him

1004
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: somewhere in the mid eighth round, right, Maybe I do

1005
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: that in the eighth round, not in the fifth, you know,

1006
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: and not ahead of against Waller, Goddard Pits. Okay, last this,

1007
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 1: George Kittle or Evan Ingram.

1008
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: I'd rather George Kittle, but at cost I'd rather have

1009
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: an Ingram, Yes, absolutely, George Kittle or Pat Fryermouth Kittle

1010
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 2: both ways.

1011
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kittle's probably the winner there. Okay. I know you

1012
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,439
Speaker 1: like David and Joku Kittle or David and Joku.

1013
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: So I have Kittle ranked higher, but at a four

1014
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: round discount, I'd rather David than Joks.

1015
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: All right, all right, So I think that's sort of

1016
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 1: what it is. It's not that we don't like George Kittle.

1017
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: We just don't like George Kittle in the fifth round.

1018
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I like, same thing with Deebo. Same thing.

1019
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: But that's why I like taking Brock Purty as my

1020
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: second quarterback, because then I get all the debo big

1021
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: games and the George Kittle big games just baked into

1022
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: Brock Purty.

1023
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind I haven't drafted Brock party, but that's

1024
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: kind of a sneaky way to get a piece of

1025
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers offense. We know how good Christian

1026
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: McCaffrey is, but one of the things we keep saying

1027
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: is that last year he played just about two thirds

1028
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: of the snaps when he got to San Francisco. Will

1029
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell have standalone value this year?

1030
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it's possible, but it's

1031
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: not the kind of player that I would want to

1032
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: start if that makes it. Hit seven targets all of

1033
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: last season, including the playoffs, So obviously, if they're passing

1034
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: the ball, Christian McCaffrey is going to be the running

1035
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 2: back that they're going to feature. I think Mitchell could

1036
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: see like eight to twelve carries, but if he's not

1037
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: getting the work near the goal one we could be

1038
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: talking about him finishing with single digit Fantasy points. So

1039
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: I think there's a case to be made for him

1040
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: to have standalone value. He's just more of a low

1041
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: floor type of guy. That being said, though, I do

1042
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: love drafting him as one of my backup running backs

1043
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 2: because if anything was to happen to Christian McCaffrey, we're

1044
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: talking about Elijah Mitchell being an RB two with RB

1045
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: one upside.

1046
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: He's obviously he's a handcuff option. If you're drafting Christian McCaffrey,

1047
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense later on to try

1048
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: and get Mitchell there. He also feels like one of

1049
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: those here comes he's better in best ball sort of

1050
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 1: guy yep, where if you draft him and he does

1051
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: have a big spike week, you can take advantage of

1052
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: it and not have to worry about you're trying to

1053
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: figure out when to put him in your lineup. At first,

1054
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: I really did believe maybe he will have standalone value.

1055
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: But I think when you start to dive into it

1056
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: and you sort of look at the usage rates and

1057
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: and all those sorts of things, it's gonna be hard

1058
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: to make a case, as you mentioned, for him to

1059
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: be a guy that you just put in your lineup,

1060
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be hard to figure out. I mean,

1061
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking last year right Week nine, he had a

1062
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: big week. He had eighty nine rushing yards, he had

1063
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: one catch. That's you know, that's a good week for

1064
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell. You're not going to get that consistently, so

1065
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: it is gonna be hard to draft him and think

1066
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: that he's a guy that you're going to have in

1067
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: your lineup unless you were in like the deepest of

1068
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: deep leagues on a regular basis. Last one it is

1069
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Gino Smith sort of resurrecting his career

1070
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: last year, just shy of three hundred and fifteen Fantasy points.

1071
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: He was the QB five. Kenneth Walker the rookie at

1072
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: the time two hundred and two and a half fantasy

1073
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: points AREB eighteen. Tyler Lockett still doing Tyler Lockett things,

1074
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirteen two hundred and thirty seven point three points,

1075
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: and Noah Fense your number one tight end in Seattle

1076
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: one twenty two point six tight end seventeen. In the offseason,

1077
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: they said goodbye to Travis Homer, Rashad Penny, and Marquise Goodwin.

1078
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: They drafted Jackson Smith and jig Ba, Zach Sharboney, Kenny

1079
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Macintosh really no no skill position offensive players coming over

1080
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: in free agency. DK Metcalf your first Seahawk drafted three

1081
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: dot six right now, Walker going maybe five or six

1082
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: picks after Metcalf late third round, early fourth round. We

1083
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on this show this offseason

1084
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: talking about how much we love Tyler Lockett, you know,

1085
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: especially at cost, we'd rather have him over DK Metcalf.

1086
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: He's outperformed in the last couple of years. On and

1087
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: on and on. Have we been too tough on DK?

1088
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Do we need to give him a break a little

1089
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: bit right now?

1090
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: I don't think we've been too tough on drift King.

1091
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: I think that it's a lot like Deebo and George Kittle.

1092
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you that DK Metcalf is not a

1093
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: good football player. I'm telling you that at cost, I

1094
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: don't think he's worth taking. Where I could wait three

1095
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: rounds later and get Tyler Lockett, who outscored DK Metcalf

1096
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 2: on fewer targets, who had more touchdowns on way less

1097
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: end zone targets, who was better on a per target,

1098
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: per route, per catch basis? And my thing is, if

1099
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: Lockett is the efficient one and Metcalf has been the

1100
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: volume dependent one, and then we bring in JSN and

1101
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: now we're saying there's gonna be more target competition, why

1102
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: is everyone downgrading the efficient one? And not the one

1103
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: that has been relying on volume. That is my whole

1104
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 2: beef with DK. If we were getting Dk Metcalf a

1105
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: round or two later, I'd be all in. But in

1106
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: the third round, I feel like we're paying for last

1107
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: year's production, and I'm not sure we're gonna get that.

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00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: I just worry last year. The Seahawks are sort of

1109
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: middle of the pack in terms of pass attempts. I

1110
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: think about five seventy five, seventy five somewhere around there.

1111
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: I do think they throw the football more, but is

1112
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: it enough to offset the people they've added. You mentioned

1113
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jig, but Zach Sharboney is going to

1114
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: catch the football. I don't know that any increase in

1115
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: passing volume, you know, I don't know that it lifts

1116
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: all boats because you have more guys that can catch

1117
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: the football there, and so that sort of makes it tough.

1118
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: But I think you sort of nailed it. Metcalf is

1119
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: not a bad player. It's just not a guy that

1120
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: I want at that point in the draft where I

1121
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: have to take him, I would much rather wait. And

1122
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: if I'm going to take a Seahawks receiver, I will

1123
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: pivot to Tyler Lockett, and that's why I have a

1124
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: ton of Tyler Lockett in rosters so far this season.

1125
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: I mentioned Zach Sharboney. People love Kenneth Walker. I get

1126
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: it had a great rookie season. How much of a

1127
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: threat is Sharbonay to Walker this year?

1128
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: A huge threat so much to show that at costs,

1129
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: I'd rather Sharbonay than Walker. And Sharbonay is a big

1130
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: body back who is good on short yard situations, and

1131
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: he's a better pass catcher and pass blocker than Kenneth

1132
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: Walker is. So if we're talking about him getting short

1133
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: yard situations that probably includes the goal on and if

1134
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: he's getting passed down work as well, those are the

1135
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 2: valuable touches. Then you're relying on Kenneth Walker being a

1136
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: big play threat, which he is, but it's gonna be

1137
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: far more inconsistent. I think there is a scenario this

1138
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: year where both stay healthy and play the entire season.

1139
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: Charbonney could outscore Kenneth Walker, and yet Kenneth Walker goes

1140
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: in like the fourth round and you get Sharbonay in

1141
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: like the eighth, ninth, sometimes even later. He is a

1142
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: running back that I want on as many teams as

1143
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 2: I can get This year.

1144
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: I think a big reason why you have to pay

1145
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: attention to Zach Scharbenny. I mean, obviously the talent and

1146
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: the potential usage in the offense is one of them,

1147
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: but I think part of the reason he's going to

1148
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: get that usage is draft capital. And that's a thing

1149
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: that we you know, I don't think we've talked about

1150
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: a lot this offseason, but they spent a second round

1151
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: pick on Zach Sharbonnay. And in a world where teams

1152
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: do not spend first round picks unless you look, unless

1153
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: you are Bijon Robinson right, like, teams generally aren't spending

1154
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: first round picks on running backs, But they spent the

1155
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: second round pick on him, which means they think really

1156
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: highly of him that they really want to use him. Now, granted,

1157
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: spent a second round pick on Kenneth Walker. We see

1158
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: how that worked out, So why wouldn't they also try

1159
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: to give Sharponay a whole lot of work. He's a

1160
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: better pass catcher. And if you really do believe as

1161
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: I do, that the Seahawks are going to throw the

1162
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: football more, that means Zach Sharper He's going to have

1163
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,240
Speaker 1: a big, big role here. I know people aren't worried

1164
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 1: about it.

1165
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: I am.

1166
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: I think Trumpada is going to be a problem for

1167
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: anybody who has Kenneth Walker. Are you in on any

1168
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks tight ends? They've got no fan, They've

1169
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: still got Will Disley, Do you care?

1170
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 2: Nope? I'm hard out, Like they were not that fantasy

1171
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: relevant last season and Seattle ran. I believe that they

1172
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: are up there for the most twelve personnel snaps, which

1173
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 2: is two tight end sets. Now they bring in JSN

1174
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: and they're going to be running a whole lot more

1175
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: three wide receiver sets, which means those two tight ends

1176
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: are going to be fighting just to get on the field,

1177
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 2: and they're going to be the fourth target at best,

1178
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: maybe the fifth if we include the running backs. So yeah,

1179
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: hard out on the Seattle.

1180
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I feel sort of sad for No a fan,

1181
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: because he was a guy that I liked coming out

1182
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: Iowa and it never worked in Denver. Then he goes

1183
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: to Seattle in the Russell Wilson trade, and it feels

1184
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 1: like if he had stayed in Denver with Sean Payton there,

1185
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: it could be no offense to the moon. But he's

1186
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: in Seattle and they're not gonna use him. So I'm

1187
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: pretty much out on Seahawks tight end. All I know

1188
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: is we're gonna get you know, one week where we're

1189
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: all starting random tight end and like Will Disley is

1190
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: gonna go for like seventy in a touch and then

1191
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna chase that and it's never gonna

1192
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: happen again.

1193
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, people will pick him up and he'll go

1194
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: for like two catches for sixteen yards.

1195
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, next week, That's that's what's gonna happen. So if

1196
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: you if you drafted or you're looking at a Seahawks

1197
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: tight end, godspeed, because it's gonna be a rough go

1198
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: for you at that point. What is not a rough

1199
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: go for us is the division previews because they're over now.

1200
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you hanging out with us and listening

1201
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: to all our division previews. Of course, we are not

1202
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: done because when we return it's going to be week

1203
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: one officially, So this is this is our last weekend

1204
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: without NFL football. Do you have any specific plans for

1205
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: this final weekend of quote unquote freedom.

1206
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: I have some family in town, so I'm going to

1207
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 2: spend some get dinner with them on Friday night. I

1208
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: have in the next few days, I have like six drafts,

1209
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: so I'm probably gonna be drafting a whole bunch.

1210
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: I know. I've got I've got the Fantasy Live draft

1211
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: on Wednesday night, I've got a draft on Saturday. I have.

1212
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: It's not my draft. My wife is in a work league.

1213
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: But I know that that.

1214
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: Managem most important draft.

1215
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: Now, that is the most important draft. But I have.

1216
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: I know that I'm going to be even if I'm

1217
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: not pushing the buttons, I have to be on standby,

1218
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: especially once we get past like the second or third round,

1219
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: when she's asking me who some of these people are, so,

1220
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, and she has to do good like I've

1221
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: been I've been harassed, like why is it that I'm

1222
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: married to the NFL's fantasy football guy and I never

1223
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: win my league? And I'm like, I am the NFL's

1224
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: fantasy football guy, and I don't always win my leagues either.

1225
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: It's a lot harder than it looks.

1226
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: It's a lot harder than it looks. So that'll be

1227
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: part of my weekend. The rest of it hopefully just

1228
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: kind of enjoying time with family and just enjoying the

1229
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: Labor Day holiday as well. So Hopefully all of you

1230
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: out there enjoy your weekend safely, healthily. For those of

1231
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: you who are in Florida, stay safe. I know the

1232
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: hurricane is coming through there, so please stay safe wherever

1233
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: you are in Florida, especially if you're in the path

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00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: of the hurricane. And again, thanks to the Fantasy Footballers,

1235
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: be sure to check out the Footballers Dynasty Pod in

1236
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: your NFL Fantasy podcast feed in the meantime. That'll do

1237
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

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Speaker 1: The Happy, Safe, and Healthy, do good, live well. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the long weekend, everybody, and we'll talk to you next week.