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Speaker 1: from Coast to Coast AM on iHeart Radio. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Coast to Coast George and are you with you?

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Speaker 1: Along with John Olsen, will take your calls, stories and

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Speaker 1: questions next hour. John, do you call yourself a paranormal

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Speaker 1: investigator or a paranormal author or both? Um? I would

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Speaker 1: say probably both. I do more of the interviewing people

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Speaker 1: and writing the stories down, though I have done some

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Speaker 1: with a few groups going out and doing some paranormal investigating.

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Speaker 1: I'm more on the side of of learning stories and

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Speaker 1: talking to those who have who have also had experiences. Well,

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Speaker 1: I tell you they're everywhere. Let's talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of the stories that you include in your books,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get into the works themselves. But give

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Speaker 1: us another one of your favorites. So another one. A

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Speaker 1: few years ago, I had a lady come to me.

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Speaker 1: She had gone to school the university at Utah State

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Speaker 1: they really enjoyed just exploring the West. She was back

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Speaker 1: her and her husband and another couple and I decided

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Speaker 1: to go to the West Desert to go camping out

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Speaker 1: near what's called the Golden Spike National Historic Site. That

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Speaker 1: is actually where the Central Pacific Railroad and the Union

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Speaker 1: Pacific Railroad connected. Uh, with the first time that the

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Speaker 1: And they had spent the day at that site looking

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Speaker 1: tracks that lie out there in the West Desert. And

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Speaker 1: for those of you that don't know that part of Utah.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just sage brush and rolling hills, and um,

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Speaker 1: it's there are a few um ghost towns out there

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Speaker 1: that had been built during the railroad that are no

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Speaker 1: longer gone or are no longer there. But um. They

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Speaker 1: just having a really good time. Paranormal really had not

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Speaker 1: Then somebody came up with the idea that they should

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Speaker 1: just a brillly peaceful, wonderful night, And all of a

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Speaker 1: And Um, I've also heard stories of scout groups who

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Speaker 1: ping of the pick axe going down the railroad track.

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Speaker 1: And so it's very interesting, not only not only historically,

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Speaker 1: but but from a paranormal standpoint. Have you ever had

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Speaker 1: stories of hitchhikers? Those things creep me out, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've I've heard I've heard stories of hitchhikers. I've had

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Speaker 1: a hard time hammering down the the individuals who have

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Speaker 1: my cousin had this happen, and then I try and

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Speaker 1: track down the cousin it doesn't have And but there

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Speaker 1: is quite a few stories of hitchhiker's hera up in

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Speaker 1: several stories of of hitchhikers that disappear in the back

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Speaker 1: an area that you shy away from, an area of

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Speaker 1: paranormal so? Um yeah. In my studies, UM, I know

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Speaker 1: that I there are intelligent hauntings, residual hauntings, a poltergeist

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Speaker 1: I I tend to shy away from the demonic and

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Speaker 1: uijiboard stories. Even though I have collected them and talk

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Speaker 1: to people, I'm I'm hesitant to put those in my

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Speaker 1: or anything like that. I just slowly I've never met

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Speaker 1: freak me out. Yeah. When when I meet somebody who's

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Speaker 1: who's had an experience with an inhuman spirit, those tend

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Speaker 1: And do you believe devons are real? Oh? Yes, definitely, definitely,

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Speaker 1: And and I believe that there are things that you

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Speaker 1: can do in your life too to protect yourself from

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Speaker 1: those things. And and definitely, if if there's individuals who

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Speaker 1: any better sense of the word that there is, you

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Speaker 1: know people that can help with that to help them out. John,

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Speaker 1: explain what bridger Land means in your books. So I

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Speaker 1: named my first book was Stranger bridger Land because the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of my stories came from northern Utah. There's

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Speaker 1: three counties in northern Utah. There's Box Elder County, Cash County,

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Speaker 1: later that outside of Utah the words not used that much,

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Speaker 1: but bridger Land is used actually in reference to Jim Bridger,

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Speaker 1: um and he trapped in this area. He actually helped

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Speaker 1: give the pioneers pointers on on where to go and

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Speaker 1: the best places to to farm in Cash Valley. And

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Speaker 1: so locals we all refer to the northern part of

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Speaker 1: Utah as bridger Land, and so it just seemed to

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Speaker 1: me a good combination to call it Stranger Bridgerland that

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Speaker 1: encompassed all of northern Utah. Haunted is northern Utah. It's

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Speaker 1: really haunted. It's actually what's going on up there. I

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Speaker 1: know it's it's crazy, um and And I found that

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Speaker 1: have these experiences. That people are more apt to share

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Speaker 1: when I spent you know, several years growing up not

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Speaker 1: harder on me. But once I found individuals and other

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Speaker 1: my experiences, to realize that it's it's not that strange.

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Speaker 1: out that way? Yeah, it was easier for you. It

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Speaker 1: actually Encombs is incompasses a wider area. I have stories

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Speaker 1: they just keep coming, don't they They do. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: leave anybody hang in bed. Yeah, it's it's it's really

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