WEBVTT - Ep. 874: Planning a River Float Whitetail Hunt with Kyle McClelland

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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<v Speaker 1>Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, I'm joined by Kyle McClellan of the Adventure

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<v Speaker 2>Chasing YouTube channel to kick off our Whitetail Adventure series

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<v Speaker 2>as we discuss floating rivers for whitetails. All right, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you

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<v Speaker 2>of deer and deer hunting here in America. Good stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and today's episode, in my humble opinion, is some good

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<v Speaker 2>stuff too. We are kicking off a new series. This

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<v Speaker 2>is our Whitetail Adventure series in which we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to explore the many different ways that we can add diversity, excitement,

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<v Speaker 2>and adventure into our whitetail hunts. I think that we

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<v Speaker 2>have experienced something over the last ten to twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>here in the whitetail world, and I think it has

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<v Speaker 2>maybe been by virtue of the influence of media and

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<v Speaker 2>social media, but I think that the experience of white

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<v Speaker 2>tail hunting in many ways has tightened.

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<v Speaker 3>And narrowed more and more and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Into a very kind of specific way of doing things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's you know, a lot of folks that want to

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<v Speaker 2>hunt their manicured private land farms that you're managed whitetail

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<v Speaker 2>mecca with box blinds and food plots and all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's great. And then you've also got some folks

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<v Speaker 2>that are hunting public land and they're going in on

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<v Speaker 2>their day trips, running gun with their sticks in their saddle,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's great too. But a lot of folks, I

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<v Speaker 2>think are falling into a rut. They're falling into like

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<v Speaker 2>this is the way I do it, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>only way I do it. And maybe it's because they

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<v Speaker 2>see someone on YouTube, or they listen to a podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>or they've read the articles and this is the way.

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<v Speaker 2>But as we talked about a week or two ago

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, Steve Magnus when we discussed how there

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<v Speaker 2>are some risks to getting stuck in your ways, to narrowing,

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<v Speaker 2>to specializing too much, there are also huge benefits to

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<v Speaker 2>broadening your horizon, to adding new experiences, to exploring new

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<v Speaker 2>ways of doing things, to spicing it up. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's something that at least I personally have felt

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<v Speaker 2>like I need. I've definitely fallen into a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a rut with how I hunt, and have been

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<v Speaker 2>of course really focused on, you know, achieving my personal

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<v Speaker 2>goal killing a.

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<v Speaker 3>Mature bock or this specific deer, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all good and well sometimes, but I have

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<v Speaker 2>definitely had the feeling lately, and I know other people

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<v Speaker 2>have expressed this to me too, that a good old

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<v Speaker 2>adventure would be a hell of a palette cleanser. And

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<v Speaker 2>so this month on the show, we're going to speak

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<v Speaker 2>to a number of different people about ways we can

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<v Speaker 2>do that, different adventures that you can have while also

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<v Speaker 2>chasing your favorite big game animal. Because a white tailed

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<v Speaker 2>deer hunt doesn't just have to be sitting on a farm.

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<v Speaker 2>Shooting a deer in a cornfield doesn't just have to

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<v Speaker 2>be slipping in with sticks and stand you into the

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred acre public land spot for an evening hunt

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<v Speaker 2>and then going back home. You can have a big

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<v Speaker 2>wild experience chasing white tails that's not just reserved for

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<v Speaker 2>people out west going on elk hunts or sheep hunts,

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<v Speaker 2>or going up to Alaska or Canada for caribou or moose.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have a wild adventure with white tails. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm hoping I can convince all of us

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<v Speaker 2>of over the course of this series, and hopefully we

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<v Speaker 2>can get expired with new ideas, new techniques and ways

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<v Speaker 2>to really broaden our whitetail experience and bring home some

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<v Speaker 2>really exciting stories as a result of it all. So,

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<v Speaker 2>with all that said, that's the plan for the month.

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<v Speaker 2>And our first guest in this series is a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Kyle McClelland he is a fishing guide. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a lifelong outdoor adventurer, hunter, angler, and a creator over

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube now at the adventure Chasing YouTube channel, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was his YouTube channel where I first discovered him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got these great videos showcasing long river floats, all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of adventures all over the place, but in particular

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing river floats for white tails, and it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he's just having an absolute blast along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>He's seeing deer fishing, having great camping, you know, adventures too,

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<v Speaker 2>So it just looks like a very well rounded fun

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<v Speaker 2>experience and he's bringing home meat as well, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>a win win across the board. Good stuff. So my

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<v Speaker 2>hope today with my conversation with Kyle is to better understanding,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, why adventure is important to him, how he's

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<v Speaker 2>been adding that to his hunting experiences. And then specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the logistics of you know, picking out a

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<v Speaker 2>place to hunt, picking a river system that could be productive,

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of boats work well for this, What kind

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<v Speaker 2>of camping gear do you need? What kind of hunting

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<v Speaker 2>gear do you need? How do you feed yourself out there?

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<v Speaker 2>What kinds of techniques work bets? Should you hunt while

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<v Speaker 2>you're floating, should you pull over and you know, slip

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<v Speaker 2>around and hunting the ground? Should you bring sticks and stand?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what's the right way to do this or

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<v Speaker 2>at least what's the way that he's found to be successful.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's our plan.

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<v Speaker 2>We discuss high level planning, We discuss in the weed

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<v Speaker 2>tactics and some fun stuff along the way as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So without further ado, I say we should get to

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<v Speaker 2>my chat with Kyle. Here we go, all right with

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<v Speaker 2>me now on the line, I've got Kyle McClelland Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me, Mark, and welcome everybody who's

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<v Speaker 4>tuning in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you, appreciate you being here with me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I gotta say your your approach to things.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess from what I can see with your YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>channel and everything, that has struck a chord with me

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<v Speaker 2>because it seems like what you value in a hunt

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<v Speaker 2>and a wilderness experience is very much what I have

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<v Speaker 2>sensed that I personally need more of right now. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're kicking off this series here on this podcast kind

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<v Speaker 2>of exploring different ways to bring adventure back into our

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<v Speaker 2>hunting lives, especially whitetail hunting. I think for a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of white tail hunters, you know, the standard whitetail approach

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<v Speaker 2>and something that I have, you know, fallen to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot is you've got your farm and you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>try to find your big bucks and you go and

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<v Speaker 2>you sit these stands you've meticulously worked to make a

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<v Speaker 2>great deer hunting spot and and that's kind of all

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<v Speaker 2>you do, but you've got a very different approach a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times, it seems like and I got to ask,

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<v Speaker 2>from like the from the thirty thousand foot overview perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>why is adventure important to you? And what would you

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<v Speaker 2>or how would you define adventure?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I would say adventure is important to me because

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<v Speaker 4>I love all aspects of the outdoors and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>going on river float hunts or camping overnight backpacking trips

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<v Speaker 4>like I've been doing. Yeah, it's such a great way

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<v Speaker 4>to incorporate that, whether it's cooking, exploring, enjoying the scenery.

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<v Speaker 4>You can, you know, do some fishing if you'd like,

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<v Speaker 4>do some hunting. There's so much that the outdoors in

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<v Speaker 4>Michigan provides and that's successible to us and we're very,

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<v Speaker 4>very grateful and fortunate to have this. So, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 4>opportunities and the potentials, and that's what means a lot

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<v Speaker 4>the most to me is the adventure and just enjoying

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<v Speaker 4>the overall outdoor experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So how did this start for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, were your hunts and fishing trips and things

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<v Speaker 2>like this from an early age or did you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of build up to this point when you realized, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to have a broader experience. I want bigger,

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<v Speaker 2>wilder experiences. Like, what was that evolution for you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I've been in the outdoors my entire life.

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<v Speaker 4>I grew up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and I lived

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<v Speaker 4>up there until about the end of high school, and

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<v Speaker 4>then I always had a dream to start a charter

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<v Speaker 4>fishing business, so I moved down to the Lower Peninsula,

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<v Speaker 4>Michigan and that's where I started that. But now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>in a place where, Yeah, I've been creating content and

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't had a lot of time throughout my adult

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<v Speaker 4>life to really hunt. And now that I'm in a

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<v Speaker 4>place where I can devote more time to it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I've slowed down on the charter fishing now and directing

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<v Speaker 4>my focus more to creating content. Yeah, I'm very grateful

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to get back into the sport and

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<v Speaker 4>I've been learning a ton and just been able to

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<v Speaker 4>go on some pretty awesome adventures the last couple of years.

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<v Speaker 2>So, the best adventure of your life, what would that be?

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<v Speaker 2>What would you if you have a slap a label

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<v Speaker 2>on the best or most memorable outdoor adventure what did

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<v Speaker 2>that look like?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if I had to pick one, I'll pick one

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<v Speaker 4>locally here this past summer on Ale Royal. I went

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<v Speaker 4>out to Ile Royal two different times this past summer.

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<v Speaker 4>I spent my first trip, I was out solo for

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<v Speaker 4>seven days, and then I did another twelve day trip.

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<v Speaker 4>And I have to say that was probably the most meaningful,

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<v Speaker 4>well rounded, positive outdoor experience that I've had, Probably my

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<v Speaker 4>favorite if I had to say, but it's so hard

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<v Speaker 4>because I've been fortunate been able to travel to a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of places and see a lot of beautiful countries.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would say that's probably my top one right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Though, So what what made it so great?

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned? You mentioned is well rounded? What does that

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<v Speaker 2>mean in your view? And what makes I mean? I

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<v Speaker 2>understand Isle Royal is a dramatic wild landscape. But but

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<v Speaker 2>but I asked this because I imagine there are people out

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<v Speaker 2>there who maybe have not done these kinds of things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out who who maybe feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>that hole in them that they need to fill and

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<v Speaker 2>they feel like, man, something wild, some kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>venture would do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But how do I do that?

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<v Speaker 2>And what's the kind of thing I'm looking for and

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<v Speaker 2>what does success look like with that kind of trip.

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<v Speaker 2>So for you, with that Ile Royal trip, I'm curious

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<v Speaker 2>you know what that looked like for you? What made

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<v Speaker 2>it a success? What made it so well routed and special?

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<v Speaker 4>So I probably have to say just the overall environment

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<v Speaker 4>and culture out there. It's an environment like nowhere I've

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<v Speaker 4>ever experience because it's essentially going out there is essentially

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<v Speaker 4>a filter, right, So you're to go out there, you

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<v Speaker 4>have to be well organized, well planned. Everything has to

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<v Speaker 4>be thought through, and you have to want to be there,

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<v Speaker 4>like it has to be in your heart. And if

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<v Speaker 4>you go out there and it's not, then you're probably

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<v Speaker 4>not going to have the best experience. But the people

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<v Speaker 4>you meet out there is second to none. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have any cell phone service, So that's something

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<v Speaker 4>to be said in this day and age as it

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<v Speaker 4>is so just being able to go out there, connect

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<v Speaker 4>with nature, connect with other people on a genuine level

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<v Speaker 4>where you don't have the noise of you know, politics

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<v Speaker 4>or phone, social media, whatever it may be. You can

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<v Speaker 4>just focus on just nature and just disconnect yourself. And

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<v Speaker 4>the scenery is second to none. The fishing is beautiful, obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't hunt out there, but I did. I hunted myself.

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<v Speaker 4>You could with a camera, you could hunt moose, wolves,

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<v Speaker 4>and I did that. You know, I batpacked into some places.

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<v Speaker 4>I did some tracking with moose, and I was able

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<v Speaker 4>to I was able to spend a night with a

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<v Speaker 4>wolf pack one night. So I've had some amazing experiences

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<v Speaker 4>out there. And like I said, the scenery is just

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<v Speaker 4>second to none, and there are just so many different

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<v Speaker 4>aspects of the outdoors that you can enjoy and experience

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<v Speaker 4>out there, whether it's picking berries, hiking, canoeing, taking your

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<v Speaker 4>own boat, your personal watercraft. If you want a hardcore

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<v Speaker 4>fishing adventure, you can do that. If you want a

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<v Speaker 4>well rounded hiking exploring adventure, you can do that as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So the options are endless. And yeah, the community and

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<v Speaker 4>the culture out there. People everybody is just so friendly,

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<v Speaker 4>willing to help you out. And it's a unique experience

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<v Speaker 4>to be at one of those campsites out there, because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there are designated campsites, and when you reach

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<v Speaker 4>one of these places, there are multiple other people there.

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<v Speaker 4>Usually sometimes it can be busy. Sometimes there's nobody there,

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<v Speaker 4>but I've met some of the I've met some of

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<v Speaker 4>the coolest people in my life there and I've built

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<v Speaker 4>some of the most meaningful relationship to me from my

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<v Speaker 4>past trips out there this summer, so definitely looking forward

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<v Speaker 4>to getting back out there and can't wait for future trips.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks looks amazing. My dad has told me

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<v Speaker 2>stories about his trip. He took one trip there when

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<v Speaker 2>he was a young man, and he's wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>back ever since. And so that's on the Bucke list

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<v Speaker 2>that we need to get there someday together. And so

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I'm envious that you get to spend two lengthy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, deep.

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<v Speaker 3>Trips out there. It looks spectacular.

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<v Speaker 2>On the on the white tail side though, what originally

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<v Speaker 2>caught my eye with you is is it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube is feeding your videos all over the place right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're really giving you a good algorithm boost because it

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<v Speaker 2>keeps on popping up on my feed. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>noticed your white tail hunts from a boat floating down

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<v Speaker 2>rivers chasing deer that way.

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<v Speaker 3>How did that come about?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So, you know, I've always had the idea, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's always something that you hear about out or I

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<v Speaker 4>would hear about from you know folks who have been

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<v Speaker 4>around a lot longer than me. It's just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>one of those old tails, you know, floating down the

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<v Speaker 4>river for me and the up anyways hunting that way,

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<v Speaker 4>and so to be able to do it the last

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<v Speaker 4>couple of years has been it's been an awesome experience.

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<v Speaker 4>And for me personally, I was, like I said, I

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<v Speaker 4>was a full time charter fishing captain on the rivers

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<v Speaker 4>here in northwest Michigan, and it just kind of connected.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'd be out on the river on floatboat trips

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<v Speaker 4>in my drift boat every single day and then I'd

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<v Speaker 4>have a day off and I would see nice bucks

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<v Speaker 4>here and there. So I just decided I'd try to

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<v Speaker 4>do a float hunt see what would happen. And it went. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's gone. It's gone well. Over the years, I've been

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<v Speaker 4>learning a lot, I've been successful, and yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>been an awesome experience.

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<v Speaker 3>So what's the appeal? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Why why hunt deer with a boat floating down a river?

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<v Speaker 2>What what makes that so special?

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<v Speaker 4>For me? It's the adventure and for me, I get

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<v Speaker 4>little stir crazy hunting out of a blind To be honest,

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<v Speaker 4>it's something I do enjoy in something I do do,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's nice to have that. It's nice to have

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<v Speaker 4>a break and be able to mix it up and

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<v Speaker 4>you can go, you can hunt with another person. The

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<v Speaker 4>river's beautiful, The scenery is always beautiful on the river.

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<v Speaker 4>So you have that aspect. If you want to take

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<v Speaker 4>a break and cook lunch, you can do that. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you can you know, you can talk and at times

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<v Speaker 4>you can talk and be social. And so I think

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<v Speaker 4>that aspect for me is yeah, just mostly the well

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<v Speaker 4>rounded adventure aspect is what means the most to me

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<v Speaker 4>with float hunting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I've actually been thinking strongly about trying a

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<v Speaker 2>trip like this myself. I've I've started kind of thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about earlier this year, just kind of realizing that I

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<v Speaker 2>need to need to switch up my white tail program.

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<v Speaker 2>And I thought there's been kind of three different avenues

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<v Speaker 2>I've thought the most about.

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<v Speaker 3>One has been doing a float down a river. One

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<v Speaker 3>has been doing like.

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<v Speaker 2>A boundary water or style, you know, going in on

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<v Speaker 2>a lake with a canoe and portaging from place to place.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one has been just doing like a backpacking

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<v Speaker 2>white tail hunt and finding somewhere you could backpack into

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<v Speaker 2>and live off your back in that kind of way.

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<v Speaker 2>But your videos have definitely been one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>that's reminded me of the appeal of being on the

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<v Speaker 2>river and being a big fly fisherman myself. The opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to possibly pair those two things together is awfully appealing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see that being a really nice way to

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<v Speaker 2>spend a few days. So that said selfishly, as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>considering planning something like this, I've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>logistic related questions for you. So one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>things I've wondered about is just how much thought you've

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<v Speaker 2>given to time of year for this kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Is have you been pretty tight to a certain part

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. Is there a certain part of the

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<v Speaker 2>season that you think makes the most sense to do

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of thing any considerations from a timing perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely so. Obviously, in Michigan, our Rifles season is

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<v Speaker 4>November fifteenth to the end of the month, and then

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<v Speaker 4>we have muzzle out season after that, So I would

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<v Speaker 4>definitely recommend going at one of those two in one

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<v Speaker 4>of those two timeframes. Obviously, with the Bowl here, the

0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.359
<v Speaker 4>opportunities are just going to be greatly reduced, and float

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<v Speaker 4>hunting is a difficult style of hunting. You have to

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<v Speaker 4>be constantly focused. You always have to be focused, you

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<v Speaker 4>always have to be ready, and you always have to

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<v Speaker 4>be in high spirits as well, because as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>you get flustered where something might not be going your way,

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<v Speaker 4>or you have other people or whatever conditions aren't working out,

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<v Speaker 4>that's usually when the opportunity happens. So you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>you just have to be and you constantly have to

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<v Speaker 4>be aware, and it's just a test of your senses really,

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<v Speaker 4>because when you're floating down river, and the best time

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<v Speaker 4>to flow hunt is after a snow for sure. If

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<v Speaker 4>you can hit it the day after a snow, that

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<v Speaker 4>is the best time because not only will it help

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<v Speaker 4>you pick out the deer, but can also see fresh

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<v Speaker 4>tracks and it just gives away a lot of their

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<v Speaker 4>sign you know that leads to them. So that's definitely

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<v Speaker 4>the best time if you can hit it hit a

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<v Speaker 4>float hunt right after a fresh snow. You can be

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<v Speaker 4>successful at other times. Obviously, as you probably saw my videos,

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<v Speaker 4>it can be tough though, as I've experienced some tough

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<v Speaker 4>hunting this past year with warmer temperatures, high pressured areas,

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<v Speaker 4>and no snow. When the deer just really hunkered down

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<v Speaker 4>in the thick brush and you're just looking for a

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<v Speaker 4>needle in a haystack as you float down. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>if you have snow, they're easier to pick out. But

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<v Speaker 4>if you don't, I mean, you know how they get

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<v Speaker 4>you know, once they get pressured. A lot of times

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<v Speaker 4>you'll float right by them thirty forty yards and they

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<v Speaker 4>won't even budge, or you'll just see a tip of

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<v Speaker 4>their ear, or it can be it can be tricky.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, So so one of the things I've been

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<v Speaker 2>curious about it is the hunting pressure thing have you

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<v Speaker 2>found on these on these river systems? Is there you know,

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<v Speaker 2>has there been other hunting pressure, other other people doing

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<v Speaker 2>this same kind of thing as you? And then secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>does the fishing pressure impact them general recreational pressure, how

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<v Speaker 2>have you seen have you seen this to be a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that is getting you away from pressure or are

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<v Speaker 2>you dealing with a lot of it still?

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<v Speaker 4>Both so you can definitely have you know, secluded. I've

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<v Speaker 4>had trips where I've gone out for several days having

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<v Speaker 4>saw a single person. But I've also had trips where

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<v Speaker 4>I go out and I'll see multiple people in the

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<v Speaker 4>same day, and just like with a lot of things

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<v Speaker 4>in the outdoors, you know, deer adapt and they catch on.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, once that little bit of pressure seems

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<v Speaker 4>to happen in an area, it can definitely take an

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<v Speaker 4>effect on the hunting. They just they seem to bump

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<v Speaker 4>off the river a little bit. They're far more aware,

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<v Speaker 4>and your odds of just catching one down feeding or

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<v Speaker 4>you know, coming down and just hanging out with the

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<v Speaker 4>dough by the river is just greatly reduced. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>definitely tricky, but it is nice because you can if

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<v Speaker 4>you do have the adventurous aspect to things where you're

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<v Speaker 4>not just specifically worried about harvesting a big buck and

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<v Speaker 4>you're more here towards an adventure and trying somewhere new

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.120
<v Speaker 4>and pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone can really

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<v Speaker 4>lead you to some fantastic places and experiences and just

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<v Speaker 4>really surprise you. So I think that's what I've found.

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<v Speaker 4>My most successful trips, you know, with duck hunting or

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<v Speaker 4>white tail have been where I've just kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>got on a map, found a section or river that

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<v Speaker 4>I never tried before, and just like, hey, we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to go do this and just go do it. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but that's what

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<v Speaker 4>makes it fun and entertaining. I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I don't want to know anything about specific locations. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I am curious about that process you just described,

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<v Speaker 2>like looking at a map and finding somewhere new and

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<v Speaker 2>figuring out hand to go do.

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<v Speaker 3>A trip there.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what are you looking for as far as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>signs that yes, this could be a good spot for

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<v Speaker 2>our float hunt?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you pick a spot? How like?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you thinking about as far as logistics, as

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<v Speaker 2>far as length, as far as you know, will this

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<v Speaker 2>have deer? Will it not have deer? Or will this

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<v Speaker 2>be a good adventure? Will it not be a good adventure?

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<v Speaker 2>There's got to be a lot that goes into making

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<v Speaker 2>that decision.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, absolutely there is, you know, and it just

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<v Speaker 4>so to start, I guess it. I break it down

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<v Speaker 4>for how many days I have, and I've been able

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<v Speaker 4>to kind of just through fishing mostly been able to

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<v Speaker 4>judge how far I can drift a river in a day,

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<v Speaker 4>So that way it kind of helps me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>But at the same time, it can be tough. I

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<v Speaker 4>always would recom I would recommend giving yourself an extra

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<v Speaker 4>day or two. Then you probably you know, expect, just

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<v Speaker 4>because the unexpected typically tends to happen. But yeah, well

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<v Speaker 4>I ran out of my train.

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<v Speaker 3>You're good, You're good.

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<v Speaker 2>You were just explaining, you were explaining the way, like

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<v Speaker 2>the ways you're picking a specific river or a section

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<v Speaker 2>of river to flow. And yes, you know, my question

0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.159
<v Speaker 2>was around, you know, how do you determine what's a

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<v Speaker 2>good stretch or what's a good area, because there has

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<v Speaker 2>to be at least when I would think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be maybe over analyzing a thousand different things

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out, you know, is this a good

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<v Speaker 2>spot to hunt? Is this a good spot to flow?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there going to be camping?

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<v Speaker 3>There?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there gonna be enough public land? Where will I camp?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there good fishing? How do I get in? Where

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<v Speaker 2>am I going to get out? It just as seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be so many criteria to weigh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and obviously number one is finding a section of

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<v Speaker 4>river with plenty of public property. For me personally, I

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<v Speaker 4>just use ONYX. That's all I use in It seems

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<v Speaker 4>to work fine as far as finding public land, And

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<v Speaker 4>then you can start getting into the details of different

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<v Speaker 4>train types, the type, the time of year you're hunting.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, maybe if you're hunting with some more snow

0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:02.000
<v Speaker 4>on the ground, you want maybe more dense cedar swamp

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.400
<v Speaker 4>kind of area, or you know, it's nice to mix

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 4>in some high oak ridges with a good food source.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, you can really, I mean, as you know,

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<v Speaker 4>with hunting, you can break things down into any level

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:19.640
<v Speaker 4>you want. So I find myself just staring at onyx

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<v Speaker 4>and for endless hours a lot of times before I

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.680
<v Speaker 4>head out. But yeah, but until you get out there

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<v Speaker 4>and put boots on the ground, you know, that's when

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<v Speaker 4>you really for me anyways, really learn the train that

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<v Speaker 4>you're hunting and and you really find a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>those little, you know, hidden kept secrets that you can

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<v Speaker 4>put in your memory bank of just because a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of times from what I found is you'll have you'll

0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 4>float along section a river, but it'll be that same

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<v Speaker 4>little section for whatever reason that's kind of holding the deer.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you can, you know, for future trips go

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<v Speaker 4>back and kind of plan on that spot as being

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<v Speaker 4>productive or you know, where to be aware and we're

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.400
<v Speaker 4>not to be aware, but yeah, and I guess that's

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 4>what I look at is one stay land where the

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 4>most public land is. Then to look at different train

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 4>features I like, you know, I like a lot of areas,

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 4>especially after a snow down by the river with heavy

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:13.720
<v Speaker 4>seedars usually in that type of forest after a snow,

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 4>you can pick them out pretty good when they're beded

0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 4>up under the trees. Or if you float through a

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.119
<v Speaker 4>section with some nice big oak ridges, you can glass

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 4>as you float down and you can catch them up

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 4>feeding a lot of times, you know. Or you get

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:29.480
<v Speaker 4>by some of that thick bedding area as well, and

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 4>you can catch a buck with the dough down by

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 4>the river too. So I think, yeah, that's that's what

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 4>I look for personally, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So how about your method of going down

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the river. I've seen you using just a standard drift boat.

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I've seen you in a jetboat. I've seen

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 2>you do some trips with a canoe. What's your take

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 2>on what the best rig is for a white tail

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:58.120
<v Speaker 2>float hunt? Well, or pros and cons of the various options.

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.520
<v Speaker 4>Probably my favorite or a white tail hunt, My favorite

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 4>is my stealth craft drift boat. I have a fifteen

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:09.639
<v Speaker 4>foot skiff drift boat. It's a stealth craft and that

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 4>boat is really nice. You can portage it. I have

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 4>an ATV wench on the front so I can portage

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 4>it if I need. It's stable, super stable, easy to row,

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 4>so you have always have a nice stable shooting platform,

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 4>which is huge because, like I said, you have to

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:28.159
<v Speaker 4>be constantly aware, constantly ready, so sometimes the opportunity, the

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:32.359
<v Speaker 4>opportunity doesn't present in the most ideal place. So that's huge.

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 4>That's really nice. The boat travels well. I can load

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.200
<v Speaker 4>it down, I can load my gear up in it,

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 4>take an excessive amount of gear if I plan to

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.959
<v Speaker 4>be out there for a longer time. And yeah, that

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 4>is my preferred system of travel, I suppose and method.

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 4>But with whatever, you can use whatever you have, as

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 4>I've shown as well. You know, you can use a

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:56.359
<v Speaker 4>canoe if that's all you have, or you can use

0:25:56.359 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 4>a jet boat, you can use a rowboat. You can

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 4>use whatever you want. Really just making it work, I guess.

0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, okay, other important gear you're going out there,

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I know for usually not always, but usually multiple days

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 2>at a time camping out there, You've got your standard

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.480
<v Speaker 2>deer hunting stuff. We'll just assume like that's a given.

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>You're going to have your rifle, your your basic necessities

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>from a hunting perspective, Can you walk me through some

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:26.920
<v Speaker 2>of the things as far as gear that are unique

0:26:27.240 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to this kind of hunt.

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And that's the biggest thing, is preparation and just

0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 4>having two of the essentials. And it depends. I guess

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:39.880
<v Speaker 4>it gets down to if you're going to go out

0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 4>for just a single day or if you're going to

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 4>go out for multiple days. I always like to have

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 4>two of the essentials. I spend an excessive amount of time.

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:53.480
<v Speaker 4>I spend an excessive amount of time preparing, planning, and organizing.

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.400
<v Speaker 4>If you're not well organized and well planned and everything's

0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 4>thought through, then it's going to lead to a challenge

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 4>more of a challenging experience and you're going to face difficulties.

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 4>So that is definitely something to prioritize as organization and planning.

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 4>So with that being said, I like to have I

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 4>like to confine things. If I'm going out for a trip,

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 4>I like to confine things in a few different dry bags.

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.160
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll maybe say I'll have two or three

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 4>different dry bags. I'll have one dry bag with you know,

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:27.119
<v Speaker 4>say my hunting essentials, you know, first aid kit that

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.199
<v Speaker 4>sort of thing, another bag with clothing, another bag with

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, food, a food bag filled up. So yeah,

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:40.880
<v Speaker 4>just having the uh, I guess might have to edit out.

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 3>No, you're a kid. Give give me the give me

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 3>the camping give me the camping gear program.

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>It seems like from what I've seen, I feel like

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I've seen you using kind of like a wall tent

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.359
<v Speaker 2>style with a stove in there sometimes. But can you

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 2>walk me through what you'd like to use and why

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:00.920
<v Speaker 2>you like to do it that way?

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.959
<v Speaker 4>Yep. So if I have the room in the space

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 4>and I plan to be out for an extended amount

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 4>of time, having the wall tent is very nice because

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 4>at the end of the day you can have a

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.720
<v Speaker 4>hot fire, warm up, dry your clothes out if you

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 4>get wet. But a lot of times I don't have

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.159
<v Speaker 4>that luxury, especially if I'm floating in a canoe. So

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 4>I'll bring, you know, a two person just a batpacking tent,

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 4>and you know that that works well too. So especially

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 4>if you're floating through an area where it's not as

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 4>easy to set up a camp and you're in a

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.280
<v Speaker 4>tight spot. You know, I can throw that batpacking tent

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.640
<v Speaker 4>up pretty much anywhere and call home for the night.

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 4>So just having those options, I guess, and using whatever

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 4>your circumstance in your situation, it's best, you know what's

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 4>best for your circumstance in your situation.

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>So everyone who camps a lot, especially like backpackers or

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, doing float trips, anything like this, I feel

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 2>like we've all got a little camping hack or two,

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 2>or a little idiosyncrasy, some little thing that we do

0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 2>that just makes life a little nicer, little easier out

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 2>there in the in the field. Is there any little

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>thing you do that makes your camp just a little

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>bit nicer or a little more convenient, or something you've

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>picked up over the years that's a little bit unique

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>to you?

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I mean, you know, pretty I'd say a

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 4>lot of the things I do are probably unique and

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 4>not off the book. I just you know, go with

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 4>the flow and came up with my own systems. So

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of hard to pinpoint a specific one not

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 4>being out there right now.

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, gosh, well, what about here's another thing if

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:41.160
<v Speaker 2>while you're thinking about that, is there any weird piece

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 2>of gear that you bring? Has there been like an

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>item that you've learned over the years, is really nice

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>to have that most people wouldn't think about when planning

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>this kind of trip. Is there something that over the

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 2>years you've just realized, like, oh man, that ends up

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>coming clutch.

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I mean there are definitely little things that are

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.800
<v Speaker 4>escaping my memory right now. But I think one of

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 4>the most important things is just having dry bags and

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 4>making sure you can keep all your gear dry, especially

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 4>the essentials, your sleeping bag, you clothes, you know that. Obviously,

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 4>that's just something to really prioritize and make important, especially

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 4>if you're going out for overnight canoeing trips and into

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 4>the back country. So yeah, I guess i'd have to

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:24.880
<v Speaker 4>think about that. I have little things.

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so you being on the river, like you said,

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a high potential for getting wet.

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any hack for getting stuff dry other

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 2>than just having that wall tent with the stove in there.

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any elaborate close line systems or anything

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>you figured out to get stuff dry fast if you

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>fall in or get a wet boot or anything of that.

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Absolutely, I definitely, I definitely bring clothes line clothes lines,

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, if I have to dry things out over

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 4>fire or if I have to dry things out in

0:30:58.080 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 4>the wind and pull off on a nice sunny when

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 4>you day. That's very important because if you find yourself

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 4>in a wet and comfortable situation on day two of

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 4>a four day float, it's gonna make for gonna make

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 4>for a miserable trip. So you have to be prepared

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 4>and yeah, just expect unexpected and just be ready for

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 4>problems and obstacles because they're surely get You're gonna face

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 4>them at some point. So just going into it with

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 4>the right mindset and just embracing that, I guess is

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 4>important in my eyes.

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>On a lot of like backpacking hunts have done the past,

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 2>and just not even just hunts, but just backpacking trips

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 2>in general. I'm generally a minimalist when it comes to clothing.

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll usually just have like one outfit what I'm wearing

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 2>hiking in there, and then I'm wearing that the whole time,

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 2>and then maybe like an extra like a puffy jacket

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 3>It is like that.

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>But with a hunt like this where there's that risk

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 2>of getting wet, do you bring extra sets of clothes

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 2>because of that? Do you do you do anything on

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>that to account for that?

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? I always you know, like I said, I'd try

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 4>to have two of everything, So I'll always have a

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 4>secure set of clothes in a dry bag that I

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 4>just don't touch. I stash it in the boat, just

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.959
<v Speaker 4>doesn't get touched. It's just kind of for an emergency.

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 4>Same with a blanket or a sleeping bag. Yes, that's

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 4>very important. It's very important, especially when you're floating during

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.720
<v Speaker 4>the cold months and you're dealing with snow or sleep

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 4>heavy rains, because yeah, you can find yourself in a

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 4>dangerous situation if you're not well prepared.

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 3>For sure.

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 2>As far as heat, you mentioned a stove. Do you

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>bring a buddy heater or any other things to help

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 2>with heat on one of those cold weather hunts.

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, if I'm able to, And it just depends

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 4>on the hunt I'm going on. I guess at times

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 4>I do. At times I don't, you know. Sometimes I

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 4>just rough it and if I have my sleeping bag

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 4>and can warm up a warm bottle of water at night,

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 4>that's all I need. But at other times it is

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 4>if I have the luxury and the option to bring

0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 4>a buddy heater, it's really nice to have one, especially

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 4>if you get a childer in the day. Was you're

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 4>floating downstream, you can turn it on and warm up

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 4>your hands or warm up your feet. It's nice to

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 4>put in your tent as well. In my small batpacking tent,

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.000
<v Speaker 4>it's not practical because the tent's so small, so it's

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 4>not practical in that sense. So but yeah, if I'm

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 4>bringing the wall tent, and if I have my drift boat,

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:13.600
<v Speaker 4>if I have the luxury in the space to bring

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 4>a buddy heater, absolutely same with the woodstove, if I

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 4>can bring that. It's always nice to have off fire

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 4>at night. But sometimes the adventure that you plan just

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 4>doesn't you know, you don't have that option, so just

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 4>kind of go with the flow of wherever we're hunting.

0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 2>So, all right, food, what's the food program for most

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>of these hunts? Do you have a system that you

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 2>like to stick to. Does it get changed up based

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 2>on the length of time and where you're at. What's

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 2>your recommendation on that front?

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Food, So if you've watched my videos, you know

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 4>I usually like to pack quite a bit of food,

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 4>and I like to bring fresh food as well. So

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 4>for me personally, I like to bring a cooler if

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 4>I'm able to and load it down with some food.

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll bring some backstrap or you know, some

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 4>bring a steak or some potatoes and eggs and bacon,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, throw down on some breakfast and food at times,

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 4>because I think that's important, you know, especially if you're

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 4>on long trips. It's just taking the time to just

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 4>stop sometimes because I find myself always getting so involved

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 4>and caught up into just the pursuit of a fish

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 4>or a deer or whatever I'm hunting at the time.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 4>So it's nice to just slow down and have a

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 4>nice meal on the river sometimes, and that is important

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 4>in my aspect, in my eyes for what I've been

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 4>doing anyway, So yeah, I'll bring some of that. But

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 4>also if I'm not able to where it's getting warm

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 4>during the day and I'm not able and I'm on

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 4>an extended trip where I'm not able to keep food cold,

0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll always bring, you know, mountain house meals or corn beef,

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.840
<v Speaker 4>hash spam, just some backups just in case I was

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 4>able to find myself out there for longer than I anticipated,

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 4>or sometimes that's all you can bring if I go

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.879
<v Speaker 4>on long trips. So yeah, if I'm able to, I'll

0:34:56.880 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 4>bring fresh produce, bring some fresh meat. But like I said,

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 4>it just comes down to the trip you're going on

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 4>as well, and not every trip you're able to do that.

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned liking to throw down for a good

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 2>breakfast sometimes, so I've seen I've seen a few where

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you'll have a good breakfast and get a late start

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>to the hunt. And that kind of brings me to

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 2>the hunting side of all this. I'm curious what the

0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.720
<v Speaker 2>typical hunting day looks like for one of these river flows,

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 2>because I could see I could see a lot of

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 2>ways going about this, and a lot of reasons to

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>go different ways. I think I've seen some videos where

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you're up and at it early and it's dark and

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 2>you're getting to a spot and want to get anchored

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:34.799
<v Speaker 2>in the dark and then head out to hunt on

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the land. I've seen other times where you've said, well,

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to wait till it is light enough that

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.959
<v Speaker 2>I could see while I float along and looking for deer.

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 2>So what's what's your typical day and why might you choose,

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, an early start versus a late starter or

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>anything like that.

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:50.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So if I think if I'm if I'm going

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.960
<v Speaker 4>into a section of woods that I know, I'll get

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 4>out early, and then I'll put myself in those places

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 4>where I'm anticipating seeing deer first thing in the morning,

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 4>whether it's be a food source or an active scrapeline

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 4>something like that, I'll put myself in one of those

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 4>situations first thing. But if I'm floating an area that

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 4>I've never hunted before, never been in, which honestly, if

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.360
<v Speaker 4>you've watched my videos, that's usually what I like to

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 4>do is just take on the adventure and float and

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 4>explore new areas I've never been. So if I'm in

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 4>that situation, then I like to let a little bit

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 4>of light come through where I can just analyze the forest.

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm not skipping over things. I can analyze the forest.

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 4>I can slow down, and I can just take my time.

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's really important because if you get

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 4>in a rush, especially if you're in areas or I

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 4>find myself doing this, I can preach it all I want,

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 4>but I find myself doing this more times than you'd think,

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 4>just biting off a hunk too big, where you get

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 4>yourself too caught up in a too big of a

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 4>world where you don't know where to slow down and

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 4>what to pay attention to and what to focus on. So, yeah,

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.839
<v Speaker 4>it just depends where I'm hunting. I suppose if I'm

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 4>in an area, like I said, that I'm familiar with

0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 4>and I know where I want to be, I'll get

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 4>out there first thing in the morning. But if i'm not,

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 4>let you know, just half hour a daylight come in

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.200
<v Speaker 4>where I can start to scan the forest. And being

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 4>a content creator and filming these adventure videos, you know,

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.760
<v Speaker 4>sometimes I get to do what I love, but sometimes

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 4>you do have to prioritize the filming a little bit,

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.879
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes that takes up a lot of times. So

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 4>it give me tough to get out there first thing,

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 4>you know.

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 3>Trust me, I know what you're talking about.

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about you know, making the decision on whether

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>to float and hunt versus park and walk around or

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:32.360
<v Speaker 2>hunt somewhere planted on the ground. I've seen you do

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>both on that front. How do you go about deciding

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>which of those are going to do?

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, I pretty much just go with the flow

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 4>for the day when I start off for the day.

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 4>So say, if I'm starting off on a float, I

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 4>start floating down, I'm the first person down the river.

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm seeing deer, seeing activity, then I'm going to keep

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 4>rolling it. You know, if things are going good, I'm

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.919
<v Speaker 4>going to keep it going. But if I get out,

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 4>say I'm out floating for a couple hours, i pull

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 4>off for a few minutes, I get passed by another boat,

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 4>somebody else is floating down, or I'm seeing a lot

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 4>of traffic on the river, then I'm going to kind

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 4>of and I'm not, you know, not being successful. Then

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to start scheming up some other ideas here where,

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 4>say I float down, see some nice deer sign, see

0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 4>some rubs, a nice ridge, a good food source. Maybe

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go sit on a ridge for the afternoon.

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:21.359
<v Speaker 4>Mix it up a little bit. Or if you have

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 4>snow on the ground and I see a fresh set

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.120
<v Speaker 4>of tracks that I know that was just made, you

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 4>could track the deer or you could you have options,

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 4>you know. And one thing I've been starting to do

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 4>as well. And one thing I've really learned is with

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 4>this style of hunting is being patient as well. Like

0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.399
<v Speaker 4>it's and it's hard because when you're floating down river,

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.320
<v Speaker 4>usually opportunities are coming at a snap of a finger.

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 4>You have a split second to see the deer. A

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 4>lot of times it's a running shot or picking out

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 4>an ethical shot, you know, and just making sure that

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:52.320
<v Speaker 4>you take a clean shot. It's it can be tough.

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 4>So what I've learned is a lot of times if

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 4>you've you're floating down, you see a deer that you'd

0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 4>like to harvest or like to have a chance at,

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 4>or if you've seen a seeing opportunity, just keep floating

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 4>and I keep my anchor where it's quiet to let down.

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 4>I'll pay attention to the wind direction. I'll like to

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 4>get the wind in my face. So if I see

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 4>if I see a deer beded up, I'll keep floating down.

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.840
<v Speaker 4>I'll float around. Usually the river makes big bend, so

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 4>I'll keep floating around the big bend. I'll get on

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.760
<v Speaker 4>the far side, maybe a half mile down. I'll slip

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 4>out the anchor. I'll have the anchor or. I can

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:24.719
<v Speaker 4>just slip it out. Then I can get up on

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 4>a little ridge and start still hunting my way that

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.160
<v Speaker 4>way and just taking my time. Get the wind in

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.399
<v Speaker 4>your face and you go really slow, and usually you'd

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 4>be surprised you can. You do it right, you can

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.880
<v Speaker 4>have an opportunity. And obviously it's not an easy style

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.480
<v Speaker 4>and you're gonna have a lot of learning experiences along

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 4>the way. But it's like that with anything though, So

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.920
<v Speaker 4>it's it's exhilarating to say the least.

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, so that was one of the things I

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 2>was curious about was going to be. You know, is

0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 2>it is you is the best way to be to

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>go past them, which which kind of would be the

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>assumption because I would assume if you try to anchor.

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:57.759
<v Speaker 3>Right away, they'd be like on it and running out

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 3>of there.

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.919
<v Speaker 2>But it seems like sometimes you have had opportunities where

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>like the deer is there in front of you and

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 2>you're able to actually get a shot while you're kind

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 2>of floating by or close to that kind of situation.

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Does that occasionally happen?

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's what you hope for. You know, in the

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 4>perfect world, you're gonna come around the corner and there's

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 4>gonna be a nice buck standing with the dough right

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 4>there in the brush. You know, all is good, But

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 4>usually it doesn't work that way. But you do have

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 4>your opportunities. So that's just it comes down to one

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 4>of those things, like I said earlier, you know, just

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.879
<v Speaker 4>always being ready, always being aware, and just always being

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 4>ready for that opportunity because you never know when it's

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 4>going to present, and being able to make it happen too,

0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 4>you know, or putting yourself in the position to make

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:39.879
<v Speaker 4>it happen things aren't in your favor per se as well.

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, in a perfect world, you know, every shot

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 4>would be like that, but sometimes you just got to

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 4>try different things and push yourself outside of your comfort zone.

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 4>And that's really where I what I experienced this year

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 4>is on my float hunt. I set off a few

0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 4>days after rifle season, which is an ideal because at

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 4>that point the deer pressure, but this year it was

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 4>warm force as well. So my first few days I

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 4>wasn't successful. I didn't see many deer. I saw a

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.360
<v Speaker 4>few couple of small bucks, but not a lot, you know,

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 4>not what I was really hoping for. So then I

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 4>just started trying some different things. I started still hunting.

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 4>I started you know, looking for food source and getting

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 4>up on ridges and you know, just and if you

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 4>just keep throwing stuff at the wall, sooner or later,

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 4>something's going to stick, you know. So that's kind kind

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 4>of where I came from with that, and it's been

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:31.399
<v Speaker 4>beneficial and I've really learned a lot this year.

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 2>So how you talked about the necessity of just being

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>ready and you know when it happens.

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 3>What do you do to make sure that you are

0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 3>as ready as possible?

0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Because I imagine there's a lot to There's a lot

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>to handle in those moments, because you are trying to

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>navigate down a river and I know a lot of

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>these rivers, there's lots lots of wines and bends, and

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 2>there's you know, trees hanging out in them, and there's all.

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Sorts of stuff.

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 2>So you have to navigate the river while also trying

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>to be watching for deer, and then if a deer

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 2>does happen to show up, then you are, I'm sure,

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out where's my gun, how do I

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.200
<v Speaker 2>get a shot, or how do I see the deer,

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 2>or how do I make sure I have time to

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.280
<v Speaker 2>do this before I have to navigate the boat around

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 2>this obstacle or whatever. You must have some kind of

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 2>system of where you put things or how you do things,

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 2>or how you have it set up so that you

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>can handle that moment as best as possible.

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 3>What do you recommend on that front?

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's a lot going on out there, yes, and

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 4>you have to be ready, and you have to make

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.600
<v Speaker 4>sure that I think the most important thing is being

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 4>well organized, having the boat well organized, and just being

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 4>aware and having a good space where you can operate

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 4>in case you have to shuffle a little bit to

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.359
<v Speaker 4>make a shot, you have to roll, pull back, get

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 4>on the oars quick. Just having everything ready and prepared

0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 4>and thought through, I think is the most important thing.

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 4>And it's safety too. I don't know if I've touched

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 4>on this yet, but yeah, safety as well, and that's

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 4>being organized and prepared. That's really feeds into the safety

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 4>aspect too, because when you're on these floats, you know, often,

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 4>like you said, you have a lot of fast corners,

0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 4>you have a lot of little riffley areas, little rapids,

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, and if you're not constantly on your game

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 4>and constantly prioritizing safety, there's a lot that can go wrong.

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 4>So just that's very important.

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 3>So have you had anything else? Have you had anything

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 3>go sideways?

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, anything goes sideways, yet not little.

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:41.839
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, like, have you had anything go wrong

0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 2>in one of these trips where something got got away

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:46.719
<v Speaker 2>from you, or you were looking at a deer and

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:48.879
<v Speaker 2>you hit a snag or or anything like that.

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, nothing crazy, nothing, nothing dangerous, nothing, but

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 4>it's I've been through a lot. I can and even

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.000
<v Speaker 4>I could, you know for the people who fish with

0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.760
<v Speaker 4>me and know, yeah, I've found myself in some interesting

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.120
<v Speaker 4>situations over the years, and I've learned a lot from him.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:14.919
<v Speaker 4>So it's just, yeah, always being prepared and always being

0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 4>ready and prioritizing safety. I guess.

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.240
<v Speaker 2>All right, So back to a hunt scenario, you're floating

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 2>down the river. You mentioned snare at number one, which

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 2>is you're floating down the river and there's a nice

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:27.399
<v Speaker 2>buck right in the edge with a dough and he's

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:29.279
<v Speaker 2>standing there like an idiot, and you have time to

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 2>grab your gun and get a shot. That's beautiful. Sounds

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 2>pretty rare, but if it happens, awesome.

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 2>There's scenario number two, which is you're floating down the

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:40.160
<v Speaker 2>river and you see a deer and you just keep

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 2>on floating right past it since there's not a good

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>easy shot opportunity, and you get hidden somewhere, you anchor,

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:48.439
<v Speaker 2>you slip up, still hunt, get a shot. How about

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 2>snare number three, which is you're floating down the river,

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 2>you see a deer and before you can do anything

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:54.879
<v Speaker 2>that deer bulger's out of there, you see it run away?

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 2>How do you what do you do in that scenario?

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 4>That's tough too, You know that that's a tough scenario,

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 4>especially when you're hunting in a lot of the areas

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.200
<v Speaker 4>I am where it's just big, big woods, and a

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.319
<v Speaker 4>lot of times those deer catch on dee and they're

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 4>just gone. You know, you can always try a lot

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 4>of times, you know, if I do see that, I'll

0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 4>go downstream, maybe float downstream a half mile mile anchor up.

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 4>Take my time, you know, make you know, just take

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 4>my time, let the forest settle down, and then maybe

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 4>I'll try to still hunt back through there. But it

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 4>just depends on the deer. I guess if I float

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 4>by the deer and I catch them beded up and

0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:33.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't have a shot, but I don't

0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 4>spook them, then you know, I'll get right on them.

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.520
<v Speaker 4>But if he happens to spook out of that general area,

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 4>then maybe I'll give it some time and go back in.

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 4>But that's a really tough scenario though, especially where you know,

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 4>I typically find myself hunting and really big woods, So

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 4>a lot of times those deer get spooked and they're

0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 4>just get gone.

0:45:53.480 --> 0:45:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what does the you know, I guess I asked

0:45:59.120 --> 0:45:59.880
<v Speaker 2>this earlier.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 3>It comes to the mornings, but throughout the rest of

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:03.879
<v Speaker 3>the day.

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, are you are you hunting pretty well in

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the morning and the evenings and in the middle of

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 2>the day giving yourself some time to relax. I could

0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.200
<v Speaker 2>see myself being tempted to want to fish through the

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:13.919
<v Speaker 2>middle of the day.

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.840
<v Speaker 3>How do you balance that out? Do you do you

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 3>do one or the other?

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Or are you constantly hunting the whole time and just

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.759
<v Speaker 2>occasionally like I remember seeing one video where you were

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 2>passing through private land and so you took time to

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:27.799
<v Speaker 2>fish while you were passing through private land. But does

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that you know, what does it look like if you've

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 2>just got public everywhere and you could hunt all day,

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 2>and you could have your gun at the ready all day,

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:35.879
<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, you've got steelhead or brown

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 2>trout or whatever around you, or maybe you're doing this

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 2>down south and you've got bass you could be fishing too.

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 2>How do you approach balancing all that and what your

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 2>day looks like?

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I guess it Just like I said, you know,

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 4>it just kind of I just go with the flow.

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 4>You know, if I'm if, I typically always try to

0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 4>make time for a launchers, for some sort of a

0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:00.720
<v Speaker 4>break middle of the day. But a lot of times,

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, especially where I'm at northern Michigan, you know,

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 4>if you have a big snowstorm coming through, you can

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.279
<v Speaker 4>have or you have the right weather, you can have

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 4>deer moving all day long, or you can catch a

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:13.600
<v Speaker 4>buck chase and a dolt. You never know what time

0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 4>of day, so it just depends. It just really depends,

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, And there are so many other options and

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 4>possibilities you can do in the outdoors, so it is nice,

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, if you wanted to take a cast and

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 4>do some fishing for a little bit and kind of

0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 4>reset yourself, so you have that option. But yeah, it

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 4>just I just go with the flow, honestly, Mark, If

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm going out in the morning, if I know where

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm at, I know the train, I know where some

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 4>good food sources are, where I kind of predict to

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:44.320
<v Speaker 4>see deer, I'll get out there early. I'm floating throughout

0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.240
<v Speaker 4>the day. Not much is going on at this point,

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, mid morning, haven't saw anything in quite some time.

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll take a break, you know, take a break for

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.560
<v Speaker 4>a couple hours. But then sometimes you catch yourself on

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 4>these long I've caught myself on these long trips where

0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:00.480
<v Speaker 4>I have to keep pushing throughout the day too to

0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 4>meet my goals. So just I always find myself planning

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.879
<v Speaker 4>and thinking through these adventures to a t what I think.

0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 4>But until you put yourself out there and the elements,

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:14.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's really hard to know what to expect

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 4>on that trip, you know.

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I love you keep saying to just go

0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 2>with the flow, and that is to any longtime listeners listening,

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 2>they know that that is something that I struggle to

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 2>do because I am like the the planner to a

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 2>te of everything. So what you're telling me is something

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that I know I should do more of. And so

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe I just need to hang out with you more

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>often and learn to absorb your go with the flow

0:48:41.160 --> 0:48:43.359
<v Speaker 2>vibes so I can pick that up and put that

0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 2>into practice, because yes, I imagine that's a pretty good

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 2>way to go about things. And maybe what makes an

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.879
<v Speaker 2>adventure what it is to some degree is the fact

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't have to be pre planned to the minute,

0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 2>that you sometimes take what the adventure gives you and

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 2>that's sometimes the most beautiful thing of it, all.

0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, absolutely, And everybody's different, you know, but yeah,

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 4>for me, that's uh, yeah, that works for me.

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, you alluded earlier to a couple of different

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 2>features or things that you'll look for, and I just

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:17.960
<v Speaker 2>wanted to circle back to that to make sure we

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>covered off on that. When you're floating a river, or

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:22.600
<v Speaker 2>when you're looking at the maps ahead of time and

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to plan your day, are there any other

0:49:26.320 --> 0:49:30.560
<v Speaker 2>specific you know, habitat features or some kind of topography

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:35.279
<v Speaker 2>that you've learned tracts deer or funnels deer in a

0:49:35.280 --> 0:49:37.359
<v Speaker 2>certain way that you kind of circle on the map

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.279
<v Speaker 2>or key in on your mind or throw a pin

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 2>on Onyx is like, hey, I got to make sure

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:42.920
<v Speaker 2>to check this out. Hey, I got to slow down here.

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Hey maybe this is a spy. Should get out, get

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:47.279
<v Speaker 2>out of the boat and sit for a couple hours.

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Are there any of those key things that folks should

0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 2>be looking for?

0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:53.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Absolutely. You know, if you're floating, and you know,

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:57.239
<v Speaker 4>if you can pick out a nice section where or

0:49:57.280 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 4>not just even floating, but in general, I guess if

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 4>you can pick out a nice ridge with some oaks.

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, if you get some nice white oaks. For me,

0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 4>that's what I personally find most of the success around

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.000
<v Speaker 4>in the woods that I hunt. If you can find

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 4>that with some thick bedding area nearby, and then if

0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 4>you can find some nice benches or saddles on that ridge,

0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, that's a great spot, especially for bucks to

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:23.800
<v Speaker 4>be traveling and trying to pick up a hot dough.

0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:26.520
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and a bench is pretty much, you know,

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 4>just where a ridge kind of comes down, flattens out,

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 4>comes back down, and you know, and I've been learning

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 4>a ton these last couple of years. You know, like

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 4>I said, I haven't had a lot of time to

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.640
<v Speaker 4>hunt throughout my adult life until these last couple of years.

0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 4>So these are all things. And that's kind of what

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.360
<v Speaker 4>I portray my videos to my viewers as well, is

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, you're coming along with me for my learning

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 4>experiences and for the whole experience. It's you know, we're

0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 4>gonna learn and we're gonna do this together, so I

0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:56.160
<v Speaker 4>think and I think people connect with that. So yeah,

0:50:56.480 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 4>just so I got off on a tangent again, You're fine.

0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that's uh. I think that's that's that's The

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 2>great thing about an adventure is that so much of

0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it is unknown. And and I think that's why this

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:18.719
<v Speaker 2>whole idea of trying new things, going new places, widening

0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:20.799
<v Speaker 2>the aperture of what a white tail hunt can be

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 2>is so appealing because so much of the typical white

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 2>tail hunting culture these days is you know everything you know.

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I've got places I hunt where I know for years

0:51:32.440 --> 0:51:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and years and years exactly where the deer come from.

0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:38.360
<v Speaker 2>And there's some spots where I have, you know, changed

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:41.320
<v Speaker 2>the habitat in such a way to even further influence

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:43.440
<v Speaker 2>deer do exactly what I think they should do, or

0:51:43.480 --> 0:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>what when they do something, when they when when I

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 2>want them, or how they want them to do. So

0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>what you're describing is the complete opposite of that, which

0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:55.560
<v Speaker 2>is I think very refreshing and uh and I can

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I can see the appeal to it. Now, Let's say

0:51:59.280 --> 0:52:03.640
<v Speaker 2>that you've this, You have loaded down the river, you

0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>have gone hard on big breakfasts, you have dabbled this

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and fishing throughout. You have avoided getting too wet, and

0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 2>if you did get wet, you had a good dryer

0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 2>set up so you could stay warm and be comfortable

0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:23.080
<v Speaker 2>all of this happens. You go with the flow and

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 2>you shoot a deer. You successfully put a tag on

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 2>a deer on the river, How have you found work's.

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:33.319
<v Speaker 3>Best to get that deer out of there?

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Are you typically gutting it and putting the whole thing

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:37.680
<v Speaker 2>in the boat and floating it out. Have you ever

0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 2>tried quartering it anything like that? What's your best practice there?

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah? So for me personally, you know, I haven't. I

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:53.360
<v Speaker 4>guess it depends on the situation. You know. I shot

0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 4>one this year where it fell off the top of

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 4>a ridge and went in the river. So I just

0:52:57.600 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 4>kind of tied her up and got her in the

0:52:59.560 --> 0:53:02.280
<v Speaker 4>boat I can. Then I took her out gut her,

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, after I was done hunting that evening. But typically,

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.280
<v Speaker 4>if I have the time and you know things are looking,

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:11.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, going in a good direction, I'll like to

0:53:11.239 --> 0:53:13.719
<v Speaker 4>take my time and gut the deer right then and there,

0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 4>get it taken care of, and then yeah, if you

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:17.879
<v Speaker 4>can hang it out, hang her up at night, that's

0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:21.200
<v Speaker 4>the best thing to do. And you know, maybe in

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.120
<v Speaker 4>some scenarios quartering the deer out would be the best

0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 4>thing to do, But typically I'll just I don't know.

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 4>I'll just maybe hang them up at night, or I'll

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 4>just put them in the front of the boat until

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 4>I get done with my trip. So that seems to

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:33.320
<v Speaker 4>work well.

0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Have you gotten any crazy looks from other folks on

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 2>the river while floating down with a dead deer in

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 2>your boat?

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Yeah, for sure, especially especially in areas you know,

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:50.719
<v Speaker 4>where there's yeah other outdoor recreation besides just hunting, you know,

0:53:51.239 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 4>So it's yeah, it can be funny sometimes, for sure.

0:53:55.640 --> 0:54:01.720
<v Speaker 2>All right, final kind of topic here, just being someone

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 2>who values adventure in the way that you do chasing adventure,

0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's adventure.

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Chasing would be the title of the YouTube channel.

0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 2>But what things have you found to be important when

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:18.240
<v Speaker 2>it comes to bring adventure to your life. If someone's

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:19.920
<v Speaker 2>listening and they just want to add they want to

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.839
<v Speaker 2>have a more adventurous life, or they want some other

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.640
<v Speaker 2>suggestions of ways to do this, do you have anything

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:27.480
<v Speaker 2>else to add?

0:54:29.560 --> 0:54:33.200
<v Speaker 4>Don't be afraid to push yourself outside of your comfort zone.

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:36.760
<v Speaker 4>Always try to push yourself outside of your comfort zone.

0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:38.960
<v Speaker 4>I think that's been one of the biggest things for me,

0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:44.440
<v Speaker 4>because you never know how things are going to turn out.

0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:45.839
<v Speaker 4>You never know who you're going to meet. You never

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:47.959
<v Speaker 4>know what door is going to open. So just being

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.600
<v Speaker 4>open minded for one, being apt to try new things,

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:56.280
<v Speaker 4>try different tactics, try new experiences in just yeah, pushing

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:59.040
<v Speaker 4>yourself outside of your comfort zone. I think it's been

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:02.000
<v Speaker 4>the biggest thing for me being not being afraid to

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:06.520
<v Speaker 4>try new things and yeah, go places where you might

0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:10.160
<v Speaker 4>not typically see yourself. And that's led to some of

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:14.799
<v Speaker 4>my most meaningful and enjoyable experiences. Absolutely, And you know

0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:17.399
<v Speaker 4>what's been kind of nice what I've kind of learned

0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:22.840
<v Speaker 4>myself through creating content, just how it's worked out is

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 4>it's kind of slowed me down a little bit when

0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:28.200
<v Speaker 4>I go out on these adventures and I have to

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:33.480
<v Speaker 4>just prioritize filming and little things because you know, before,

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I did this stuff long before I did

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:39.680
<v Speaker 4>YouTube too, and these kind of adventures, and I'd always

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.440
<v Speaker 4>find myself and always such a rush or you know,

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.200
<v Speaker 4>or not taking the time to just take a deep

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 4>breath and appreciate and enjoy the scenery and more that

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:52.560
<v Speaker 4>the outdoors has to offer than just the big buck

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.839
<v Speaker 4>or the big fish or you know. So I think

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:58.120
<v Speaker 4>that's really what has meant a lot to me too,

0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 4>is just making sure you prioritize time on these trips

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.920
<v Speaker 4>to just slow down and just you know, enjoy the

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:06.960
<v Speaker 4>trip for what it is, because you can't always go

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:12.239
<v Speaker 4>into these adventures. I'm you can't go in with expectations like, oh,

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna shoot a big bucker, I'm gonna catch this

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.359
<v Speaker 4>big fish. You just you can't because it's not realistic.

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 4>And if you set your expectations that high, then you're gonna,

0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, be disappointed. But if you don't and you

0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.440
<v Speaker 4>just go in with it with an open mind and

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna do this, and my goal for this is

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 4>just to complete the adventure, and who knows what can happen,

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 4>and then you just are surprised, you know, and just

0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:38.040
<v Speaker 4>things happen and just things work out. They seem to

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<v Speaker 4>work out.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think that's that's a great philosophy.

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<v Speaker 2>What's uh, what's the next way that you plan to

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<v Speaker 2>push yourself outside of the comfort zone. What's the the

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<v Speaker 2>dream trip or the next big adventure where you are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna try to spread your wings and fly into a

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<v Speaker 2>new place.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm gonna get into some uh yeah, I'm just

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<v Speaker 4>gonna get into more I'm going to keep getting into

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<v Speaker 4>more remote backpacking, camping, big adventures like I started doing

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<v Speaker 4>this last year, like the Ale Royal and that sort

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<v Speaker 4>of thing, going to remote places, maybe doing some fly ins,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, getting dropped off and maybe doing some whitewater

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<v Speaker 4>raft some whitewater rivers. And I want to get a

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<v Speaker 4>pack raft and do a lot of portaging through real

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<v Speaker 4>remote places. So just keep moving. And I'm just planning

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<v Speaker 4>to keep moving in that direction and just keep you know,

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<v Speaker 4>building my skills and just learning more and more. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's what I always preach in my videos that I post,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, is like I try to anyways, like most

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<v Speaker 4>of the time I'm not going down areas where I've

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<v Speaker 4>fished or I've been, Like I try to show adapting, overcoming,

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<v Speaker 4>figuring things out the challenges and I could, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>So I think I think that's a big part of

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<v Speaker 4>the adventure, is uh yeah, just being open minded and

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<v Speaker 4>ready for whatever can happen.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I like it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if folks want to check out your videos or

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<v Speaker 2>anything else where where can folks go to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>you or to watch your content or to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's anything else you want to plug let us know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Adventure Chasing on YouTube. You can look it up.

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<v Speaker 4>Just Adventure Chasing, simple name, and you'll see my content.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fishing, hunting, camping, and exploring the outdoors. Done mostly

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<v Speaker 4>Michigan content. Started to do Alaska, did a few videos

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<v Speaker 4>in Alaska this past year. I've done some other videos

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<v Speaker 4>from other places, but as my channel, I've been building

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<v Speaker 4>my channel. I've been trying to focus on, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Michigan content, and that's where my audience is primarily based.

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<v Speaker 4>So but as I keep growing, I'll keep expanding.

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<v Speaker 3>So very cool, awesome, Kyle. Well, I've been enjoying it.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep up the good work, and thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 2>sharing this list today.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thank you, Mark. It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, and that's gonna do it our first episode

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<v Speaker 2>in our White Tail Ensure series.

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<v Speaker 3>Hope you guys enjoyed this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you tuning in, and until next time, stay wired

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<v Speaker 2>to Hunt.