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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Kyle McClellan of the Adventure

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Speaker 2: Chasing YouTube channel to kick off our Whitetail Adventure series

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Speaker 2: as we discuss floating rivers for whitetails. All right, welcome

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Speaker 2: back to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 2: to help them with their mission to protect the future

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Speaker 2: of deer and deer hunting here in America. Good stuff,

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Speaker 2: and today's episode, in my humble opinion, is some good

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Speaker 2: stuff too. We are kicking off a new series. This

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Speaker 2: is our Whitetail Adventure series in which we are going

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Speaker 2: to explore the many different ways that we can add diversity, excitement,

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Speaker 2: and adventure into our whitetail hunts. I think that we

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Speaker 2: have experienced something over the last ten to twenty years

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Speaker 2: here in the whitetail world, and I think it has

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Speaker 2: maybe been by virtue of the influence of media and

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Speaker 2: social media, but I think that the experience of white

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Speaker 2: tail hunting in many ways has tightened.

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Speaker 3: And narrowed more and more and more.

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Speaker 2: Into a very kind of specific way of doing things.

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Speaker 2: There's you know, a lot of folks that want to

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Speaker 2: hunt their manicured private land farms that you're managed whitetail

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Speaker 2: mecca with box blinds and food plots and all that stuff,

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Speaker 2: and that's great. And then you've also got some folks

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Speaker 2: that are hunting public land and they're going in on

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Speaker 2: their day trips, running gun with their sticks in their saddle,

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Speaker 2: and that's great too. But a lot of folks, I

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Speaker 2: think are falling into a rut. They're falling into like

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Speaker 2: this is the way I do it, this is the

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Speaker 2: only way I do it. And maybe it's because they

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Speaker 2: see someone on YouTube, or they listen to a podcast,

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Speaker 2: or they've read the articles and this is the way.

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Speaker 2: But as we talked about a week or two ago

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Speaker 2: with you know, Steve Magnus when we discussed how there

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Speaker 2: are some risks to getting stuck in your ways, to narrowing,

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Speaker 2: to specializing too much, there are also huge benefits to

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Speaker 2: broadening your horizon, to adding new experiences, to exploring new

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Speaker 2: ways of doing things, to spicing it up. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's something that at least I personally have felt

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Speaker 2: like I need. I've definitely fallen into a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a rut with how I hunt, and have been

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Speaker 2: of course really focused on, you know, achieving my personal

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Speaker 3: Mature bock or this specific deer, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: And that's all good and well sometimes, but I have

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Speaker 2: definitely had the feeling lately, and I know other people

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Speaker 2: have expressed this to me too, that a good old

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Speaker 2: adventure would be a hell of a palette cleanser. And

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Speaker 2: so this month on the show, we're going to speak

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Speaker 2: to a number of different people about ways we can

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Speaker 2: do that, different adventures that you can have while also

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Speaker 2: chasing your favorite big game animal. Because a white tailed

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Speaker 2: deer hunt doesn't just have to be sitting on a farm.

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Speaker 2: Shooting a deer in a cornfield doesn't just have to

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Speaker 2: be slipping in with sticks and stand you into the

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Speaker 2: two hundred acre public land spot for an evening hunt

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Speaker 2: and then going back home. You can have a big

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Speaker 2: wild experience chasing white tails that's not just reserved for

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Speaker 2: people out west going on elk hunts or sheep hunts,

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Speaker 2: or going up to Alaska or Canada for caribou or moose.

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Speaker 2: You can have a wild adventure with white tails. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I'm hoping I can convince all of us

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Speaker 2: can get expired with new ideas, new techniques and ways

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Speaker 2: really exciting stories as a result of it all. So,

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Speaker 2: with all that said, that's the plan for the month.

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Speaker 2: And our first guest in this series is a guy

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Speaker 2: named Kyle McClelland he is a fishing guide. He is

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Speaker 2: a lifelong outdoor adventurer, hunter, angler, and a creator over

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Speaker 2: on YouTube now at the adventure Chasing YouTube channel, and

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Speaker 2: it was his YouTube channel where I first discovered him.

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Speaker 2: He's got these great videos showcasing long river floats, all

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Speaker 2: what kind of boats work well for this, What kind

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Speaker 2: of camping gear do you need? What kind of hunting

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Speaker 2: gear do you need? How do you feed yourself out there?

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Speaker 2: What kinds of techniques work bets? Should you hunt while

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Speaker 2: you're floating, should you pull over and you know, slip

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Speaker 2: You know, what's the right way to do this or

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Speaker 2: at least what's the way that he's found to be successful.

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Speaker 3: So that's our plan.

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Speaker 2: We discuss high level planning, We discuss in the weed

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Speaker 2: tactics and some fun stuff along the way as well.

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Speaker 2: So without further ado, I say we should get to

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Speaker 2: my chat with Kyle. Here we go, all right with

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Speaker 2: me now on the line, I've got Kyle McClelland Kyle

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me, Mark, and welcome everybody who's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you, appreciate you being here with me.

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Speaker 3: And I gotta say your your approach to things.

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Speaker 2: I guess from what I can see with your YouTube

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Speaker 2: because it seems like what you value in a hunt

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Speaker 2: and a wilderness experience is very much what I have

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Speaker 2: of exploring different ways to bring adventure back into our

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Speaker 2: hunting lives, especially whitetail hunting. I think for a lot

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Speaker 2: you sit these stands you've meticulously worked to make a

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Speaker 4: Well, I would say adventure is important to me because

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Speaker 4: I love all aspects of the outdoors and you know,

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Speaker 4: like I've been doing. Yeah, it's such a great way

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Speaker 4: You can, you know, do some fishing if you'd like,

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Speaker 4: do some hunting. There's so much that the outdoors in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So how did this start for you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, were your hunts and fishing trips and things

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've been in the outdoors my entire life.

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Speaker 2: So, the best adventure of your life, what would that be?

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Speaker 4: Well, if I had to pick one, I'll pick one

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Speaker 4: And I have to say that was probably the most meaningful,

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Speaker 4: to work fine as far as finding public land, And

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00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 4: then you can start getting into the details of different

438
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 4: train types, the type, the time of year you're hunting.

439
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 4: You know, maybe if you're hunting with some more snow

440
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 4: on the ground, you want maybe more dense cedar swamp

441
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 4: kind of area, or you know, it's nice to mix

442
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 4: in some high oak ridges with a good food source.

443
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 4: So yeah, you can really, I mean, as you know,

444
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 4: with hunting, you can break things down into any level

445
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 4: you want. So I find myself just staring at onyx

446
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 4: and for endless hours a lot of times before I

447
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 4: head out. But yeah, but until you get out there

448
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 4: and put boots on the ground, you know, that's when

449
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: you really for me anyways, really learn the train that

450
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 4: you're hunting and and you really find a lot of

451
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 4: those little, you know, hidden kept secrets that you can

452
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 4: put in your memory bank of just because a lot

453
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 4: of times from what I found is you'll have you'll

454
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 4: float along section a river, but it'll be that same

455
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 4: little section for whatever reason that's kind of holding the deer.

456
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 4: And then you can, you know, for future trips go

457
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: back and kind of plan on that spot as being

458
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 4: productive or you know, where to be aware and we're

459
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 4: not to be aware, but yeah, and I guess that's

460
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 4: what I look at is one stay land where the

461
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 4: most public land is. Then to look at different train

462
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: features I like, you know, I like a lot of areas,

463
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 4: especially after a snow down by the river with heavy

464
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 4: seedars usually in that type of forest after a snow,

465
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 4: you can pick them out pretty good when they're beded

466
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 4: up under the trees. Or if you float through a

467
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 4: section with some nice big oak ridges, you can glass

468
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 4: as you float down and you can catch them up

469
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 4: feeding a lot of times, you know. Or you get

470
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 4: by some of that thick bedding area as well, and

471
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 4: you can catch a buck with the dough down by

472
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 4: the river too. So I think, yeah, that's that's what

473
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: I look for personally, I guess.

474
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: All right, So how about your method of going down

475
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: the river. I've seen you using just a standard drift boat.

476
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: I think I've seen you in a jetboat. I've seen

477
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: you do some trips with a canoe. What's your take

478
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: on what the best rig is for a white tail

479
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: float hunt? Well, or pros and cons of the various options.

480
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 4: Probably my favorite or a white tail hunt, My favorite

481
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: is my stealth craft drift boat. I have a fifteen

482
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: foot skiff drift boat. It's a stealth craft and that

483
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: boat is really nice. You can portage it. I have

484
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 4: an ATV wench on the front so I can portage

485
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: it if I need. It's stable, super stable, easy to row,

486
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 4: so you have always have a nice stable shooting platform,

487
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: which is huge because, like I said, you have to

488
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 4: be constantly aware, constantly ready, so sometimes the opportunity, the

489
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: opportunity doesn't present in the most ideal place. So that's huge.

490
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: That's really nice. The boat travels well. I can load

491
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 4: it down, I can load my gear up in it,

492
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 4: take an excessive amount of gear if I plan to

493
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 4: be out there for a longer time. And yeah, that

494
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: is my preferred system of travel, I suppose and method.

495
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: But with whatever, you can use whatever you have, as

496
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: I've shown as well. You know, you can use a

497
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 4: canoe if that's all you have, or you can use

498
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 4: a jet boat, you can use a rowboat. You can

499
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 4: use whatever you want. Really just making it work, I guess.

500
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, okay, other important gear you're going out there,

501
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: I know for usually not always, but usually multiple days

502
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 2: at a time camping out there, You've got your standard

503
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: deer hunting stuff. We'll just assume like that's a given.

504
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: You're going to have your rifle, your your basic necessities

505
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: from a hunting perspective, Can you walk me through some

506
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: of the things as far as gear that are unique

507
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: to this kind of hunt.

508
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the biggest thing, is preparation and just

509
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 4: having two of the essentials. And it depends. I guess

510
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 4: it gets down to if you're going to go out

511
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: for just a single day or if you're going to

512
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: go out for multiple days. I always like to have

513
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: two of the essentials. I spend an excessive amount of time.

514
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 4: I spend an excessive amount of time preparing, planning, and organizing.

515
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 4: If you're not well organized and well planned and everything's

516
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: thought through, then it's going to lead to a challenge

517
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: more of a challenging experience and you're going to face difficulties.

518
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: So that is definitely something to prioritize as organization and planning.

519
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: So with that being said, I like to have I

520
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 4: like to confine things. If I'm going out for a trip,

521
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: I like to confine things in a few different dry bags.

522
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: You know, I'll maybe say I'll have two or three

523
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: different dry bags. I'll have one dry bag with you know,

524
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: say my hunting essentials, you know, first aid kit that

525
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 4: sort of thing, another bag with clothing, another bag with

526
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 4: you know, food, a food bag filled up. So yeah,

527
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 4: just having the uh, I guess might have to edit out.

528
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: No, you're a kid. Give give me the give me

529
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: the camping give me the camping gear program.

530
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: It seems like from what I've seen, I feel like

531
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: I've seen you using kind of like a wall tent

532
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: style with a stove in there sometimes. But can you

533
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: walk me through what you'd like to use and why

534
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: you like to do it that way?

535
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 4: Yep. So if I have the room in the space

536
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 4: and I plan to be out for an extended amount

537
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 4: of time, having the wall tent is very nice because

538
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: at the end of the day you can have a

539
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 4: hot fire, warm up, dry your clothes out if you

540
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 4: get wet. But a lot of times I don't have

541
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 4: that luxury, especially if I'm floating in a canoe. So

542
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 4: I'll bring, you know, a two person just a batpacking tent,

543
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 4: and you know that that works well too. So especially

544
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 4: if you're floating through an area where it's not as

545
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 4: easy to set up a camp and you're in a

546
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 4: tight spot. You know, I can throw that batpacking tent

547
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 4: up pretty much anywhere and call home for the night.

548
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: So just having those options, I guess, and using whatever

549
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: your circumstance in your situation, it's best, you know what's

550
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 4: best for your circumstance in your situation.

551
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: So everyone who camps a lot, especially like backpackers or

552
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: you know, doing float trips, anything like this, I feel

553
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: like we've all got a little camping hack or two,

554
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: or a little idiosyncrasy, some little thing that we do

555
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: that just makes life a little nicer, little easier out

556
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: there in the in the field. Is there any little

557
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: thing you do that makes your camp just a little

558
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: bit nicer or a little more convenient, or something you've

559
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: picked up over the years that's a little bit unique

560
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: to you?

561
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, you know, pretty I'd say a

562
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: lot of the things I do are probably unique and

563
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: not off the book. I just you know, go with

564
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: the flow and came up with my own systems. So

565
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: it's kind of hard to pinpoint a specific one not

566
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 4: being out there right now.

567
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, gosh, well, what about here's another thing if

568
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: while you're thinking about that, is there any weird piece

569
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: of gear that you bring? Has there been like an

570
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: item that you've learned over the years, is really nice

571
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: to have that most people wouldn't think about when planning

572
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: this kind of trip. Is there something that over the

573
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: years you've just realized, like, oh man, that ends up

574
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: coming clutch.

575
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean there are definitely little things that are

576
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: escaping my memory right now. But I think one of

577
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: the most important things is just having dry bags and

578
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: making sure you can keep all your gear dry, especially

579
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 4: the essentials, your sleeping bag, you clothes, you know that. Obviously,

580
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: that's just something to really prioritize and make important, especially

581
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: if you're going out for overnight canoeing trips and into

582
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 4: the back country. So yeah, I guess i'd have to

583
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: think about that. I have little things.

584
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you being on the river, like you said,

585
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: there's a high potential for getting wet.

586
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

587
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: Do you have any hack for getting stuff dry other

588
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: than just having that wall tent with the stove in there.

589
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: Do you have any elaborate close line systems or anything

590
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: you figured out to get stuff dry fast if you

591
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: fall in or get a wet boot or anything of that.

592
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, I definitely, I definitely bring clothes line clothes lines,

593
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 4: you know, if I have to dry things out over

594
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 4: fire or if I have to dry things out in

595
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: the wind and pull off on a nice sunny when

596
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: you day. That's very important because if you find yourself

597
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: in a wet and comfortable situation on day two of

598
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: a four day float, it's gonna make for gonna make

599
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: for a miserable trip. So you have to be prepared

600
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: and yeah, just expect unexpected and just be ready for

601
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: problems and obstacles because they're surely get You're gonna face

602
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 4: them at some point. So just going into it with

603
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: the right mindset and just embracing that, I guess is

604
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 4: important in my eyes.

605
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: On a lot of like backpacking hunts have done the past,

606
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: and just not even just hunts, but just backpacking trips

607
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: in general. I'm generally a minimalist when it comes to clothing.

608
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: I'll usually just have like one outfit what I'm wearing

609
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: hiking in there, and then I'm wearing that the whole time,

610
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: and then maybe like an extra like a puffy jacket

611
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: or whatever.

612
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: It is like that.

613
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: But with a hunt like this where there's that risk

614
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: of getting wet, do you bring extra sets of clothes

615
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: because of that? Do you do you do anything on

616
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: that to account for that?

617
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I always you know, like I said, I'd try

618
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: to have two of everything, So I'll always have a

619
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: secure set of clothes in a dry bag that I

620
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: just don't touch. I stash it in the boat, just

621
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 4: doesn't get touched. It's just kind of for an emergency.

622
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: Same with a blanket or a sleeping bag. Yes, that's

623
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: very important. It's very important, especially when you're floating during

624
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 4: the cold months and you're dealing with snow or sleep

625
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: heavy rains, because yeah, you can find yourself in a

626
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: dangerous situation if you're not well prepared.

627
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: For sure.

628
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: As far as heat, you mentioned a stove. Do you

629
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: bring a buddy heater or any other things to help

630
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: with heat on one of those cold weather hunts.

631
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, if I'm able to, And it just depends

632
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: on the hunt I'm going on. I guess at times

633
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 4: I do. At times I don't, you know. Sometimes I

634
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: just rough it and if I have my sleeping bag

635
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 4: and can warm up a warm bottle of water at night,

636
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: that's all I need. But at other times it is

637
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: if I have the luxury and the option to bring

638
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 4: a buddy heater, it's really nice to have one, especially

639
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: if you get a childer in the day. Was you're

640
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: floating downstream, you can turn it on and warm up

641
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: your hands or warm up your feet. It's nice to

642
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: put in your tent as well. In my small batpacking tent,

643
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: it's not practical because the tent's so small, so it's

644
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: not practical in that sense. So but yeah, if I'm

645
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: bringing the wall tent, and if I have my drift boat,

646
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: if I have the luxury in the space to bring

647
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: a buddy heater, absolutely same with the woodstove, if I

648
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: can bring that. It's always nice to have off fire

649
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: at night. But sometimes the adventure that you plan just

650
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: doesn't you know, you don't have that option, so just

651
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: kind of go with the flow of wherever we're hunting.

652
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: So, all right, food, what's the food program for most

653
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: of these hunts? Do you have a system that you

654
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: like to stick to. Does it get changed up based

655
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: on the length of time and where you're at. What's

656
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: your recommendation on that front?

657
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah? Food, So if you've watched my videos, you know

658
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: I usually like to pack quite a bit of food,

659
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: and I like to bring fresh food as well. So

660
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: for me personally, I like to bring a cooler if

661
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: I'm able to and load it down with some food.

662
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: You know, I'll bring some backstrap or you know, some

663
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: bring a steak or some potatoes and eggs and bacon,

664
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 4: you know, throw down on some breakfast and food at times,

665
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 4: because I think that's important, you know, especially if you're

666
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: on long trips. It's just taking the time to just

667
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: stop sometimes because I find myself always getting so involved

668
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: and caught up into just the pursuit of a fish

669
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 4: or a deer or whatever I'm hunting at the time.

670
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 4: So it's nice to just slow down and have a

671
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: nice meal on the river sometimes, and that is important

672
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: in my aspect, in my eyes for what I've been

673
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 4: doing anyway, So yeah, I'll bring some of that. But

674
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 4: also if I'm not able to where it's getting warm

675
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: during the day and I'm not able and I'm on

676
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 4: an extended trip where I'm not able to keep food cold,

677
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: I'll always bring, you know, mountain house meals or corn beef,

678
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: hash spam, just some backups just in case I was

679
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: able to find myself out there for longer than I anticipated,

680
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: or sometimes that's all you can bring if I go

681
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 4: on long trips. So yeah, if I'm able to, I'll

682
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: bring fresh produce, bring some fresh meat. But like I said,

683
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: it just comes down to the trip you're going on

684
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: as well, and not every trip you're able to do that.

685
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: So you mentioned liking to throw down for a good

686
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: breakfast sometimes, so I've seen I've seen a few where

687
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: you'll have a good breakfast and get a late start

688
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: to the hunt. And that kind of brings me to

689
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: the hunting side of all this. I'm curious what the

690
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 2: typical hunting day looks like for one of these river flows,

691
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: because I could see I could see a lot of

692
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: ways going about this, and a lot of reasons to

693
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: go different ways. I think I've seen some videos where

694
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: you're up and at it early and it's dark and

695
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: you're getting to a spot and want to get anchored

696
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: in the dark and then head out to hunt on

697
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: the land. I've seen other times where you've said, well,

698
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: I wanted to wait till it is light enough that

699
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 2: I could see while I float along and looking for deer.

700
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: So what's what's your typical day and why might you choose,

701
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, an early start versus a late starter or

702
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: anything like that.

703
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, So if I think if I'm if I'm going

704
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 4: into a section of woods that I know, I'll get

705
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: out early, and then I'll put myself in those places

706
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: where I'm anticipating seeing deer first thing in the morning,

707
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: whether it's be a food source or an active scrapeline

708
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: something like that, I'll put myself in one of those

709
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: situations first thing. But if I'm floating an area that

710
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: I've never hunted before, never been in, which honestly, if

711
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 4: you've watched my videos, that's usually what I like to

712
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 4: do is just take on the adventure and float and

713
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: explore new areas I've never been. So if I'm in

714
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: that situation, then I like to let a little bit

715
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: of light come through where I can just analyze the forest.

716
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm not skipping over things. I can analyze the forest.

717
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: I can slow down, and I can just take my time.

718
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: And I think that's really important because if you get

719
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: in a rush, especially if you're in areas or I

720
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: find myself doing this, I can preach it all I want,

721
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: but I find myself doing this more times than you'd think,

722
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 4: just biting off a hunk too big, where you get

723
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: yourself too caught up in a too big of a

724
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: world where you don't know where to slow down and

725
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: what to pay attention to and what to focus on. So, yeah,

726
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 4: it just depends where I'm hunting. I suppose if I'm

727
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: in an area, like I said, that I'm familiar with

728
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: and I know where I want to be, I'll get

729
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: out there first thing in the morning. But if i'm not,

730
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 4: let you know, just half hour a daylight come in

731
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: where I can start to scan the forest. And being

732
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 4: a content creator and filming these adventure videos, you know,

733
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 4: sometimes I get to do what I love, but sometimes

734
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 4: you do have to prioritize the filming a little bit,

735
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 4: and sometimes that takes up a lot of times. So

736
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 4: it give me tough to get out there first thing,

737
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: you know.

738
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: Trust me, I know what you're talking about.

739
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you know, making the decision on whether

740
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: to float and hunt versus park and walk around or

741
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: hunt somewhere planted on the ground. I've seen you do

742
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: both on that front. How do you go about deciding

743
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: which of those are going to do?

744
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I pretty much just go with the flow

745
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: for the day when I start off for the day.

746
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: So say, if I'm starting off on a float, I

747
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 4: start floating down, I'm the first person down the river.

748
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: I'm seeing deer, seeing activity, then I'm going to keep

749
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 4: rolling it. You know, if things are going good, I'm

750
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 4: going to keep it going. But if I get out,

751
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 4: say I'm out floating for a couple hours, i pull

752
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: off for a few minutes, I get passed by another boat,

753
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: somebody else is floating down, or I'm seeing a lot

754
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: of traffic on the river, then I'm going to kind

755
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 4: of and I'm not, you know, not being successful. Then

756
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 4: I'm going to start scheming up some other ideas here where,

757
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: say I float down, see some nice deer sign, see

758
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: some rubs, a nice ridge, a good food source. Maybe

759
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go sit on a ridge for the afternoon.

760
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 4: Mix it up a little bit. Or if you have

761
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 4: snow on the ground and I see a fresh set

762
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 4: of tracks that I know that was just made, you

763
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: could track the deer or you could you have options,

764
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: you know. And one thing I've been starting to do

765
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: as well. And one thing I've really learned is with

766
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 4: this style of hunting is being patient as well. Like

767
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 4: it's and it's hard because when you're floating down river,

768
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 4: usually opportunities are coming at a snap of a finger.

769
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 4: You have a split second to see the deer. A

770
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: lot of times it's a running shot or picking out

771
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: an ethical shot, you know, and just making sure that

772
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 4: you take a clean shot. It's it can be tough.

773
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: So what I've learned is a lot of times if

774
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: you've you're floating down, you see a deer that you'd

775
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 4: like to harvest or like to have a chance at,

776
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: or if you've seen a seeing opportunity, just keep floating

777
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: and I keep my anchor where it's quiet to let down.

778
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: I'll pay attention to the wind direction. I'll like to

779
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: get the wind in my face. So if I see

780
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: if I see a deer beded up, I'll keep floating down.

781
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 4: I'll float around. Usually the river makes big bend, so

782
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: I'll keep floating around the big bend. I'll get on

783
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 4: the far side, maybe a half mile down. I'll slip

784
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: out the anchor. I'll have the anchor or. I can

785
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: just slip it out. Then I can get up on

786
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: a little ridge and start still hunting my way that

787
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: way and just taking my time. Get the wind in

788
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 4: your face and you go really slow, and usually you'd

789
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: be surprised you can. You do it right, you can

790
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 4: have an opportunity. And obviously it's not an easy style

791
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have a lot of learning experiences along

792
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: the way. But it's like that with anything though, So

793
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: it's it's exhilarating to say the least.

794
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so that was one of the things I

795
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: was curious about was going to be. You know, is

796
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: it is you is the best way to be to

797
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: go past them, which which kind of would be the

798
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: assumption because I would assume if you try to anchor.

799
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: Right away, they'd be like on it and running out

800
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: of there.

801
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 2: But it seems like sometimes you have had opportunities where

802
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: like the deer is there in front of you and

803
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: you're able to actually get a shot while you're kind

804
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: of floating by or close to that kind of situation.

805
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: Does that occasionally happen?

806
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you hope for. You know, in the

807
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 4: perfect world, you're gonna come around the corner and there's

808
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: gonna be a nice buck standing with the dough right

809
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: there in the brush. You know, all is good, But

810
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 4: usually it doesn't work that way. But you do have

811
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: your opportunities. So that's just it comes down to one

812
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: of those things, like I said earlier, you know, just

813
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 4: always being ready, always being aware, and just always being

814
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: ready for that opportunity because you never know when it's

815
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: going to present, and being able to make it happen too,

816
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 4: you know, or putting yourself in the position to make

817
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 4: it happen things aren't in your favor per se as well.

818
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, in a perfect world, you know, every shot

819
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: would be like that, but sometimes you just got to

820
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: try different things and push yourself outside of your comfort zone.

821
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: And that's really where I what I experienced this year

822
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: is on my float hunt. I set off a few

823
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: days after rifle season, which is an ideal because at

824
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 4: that point the deer pressure, but this year it was

825
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: warm force as well. So my first few days I

826
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: wasn't successful. I didn't see many deer. I saw a

827
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 4: few couple of small bucks, but not a lot, you know,

828
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 4: not what I was really hoping for. So then I

829
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: just started trying some different things. I started still hunting.

830
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: I started you know, looking for food source and getting

831
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: up on ridges and you know, just and if you

832
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 4: just keep throwing stuff at the wall, sooner or later,

833
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: something's going to stick, you know. So that's kind kind

834
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: of where I came from with that, and it's been

835
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 4: beneficial and I've really learned a lot this year.

836
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: So how you talked about the necessity of just being

837
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: ready and you know when it happens.

838
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: What do you do to make sure that you are

839
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: as ready as possible?

840
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: Because I imagine there's a lot to There's a lot

841
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: to handle in those moments, because you are trying to

842
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: navigate down a river and I know a lot of

843
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: these rivers, there's lots lots of wines and bends, and

844
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: there's you know, trees hanging out in them, and there's all.

845
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: Sorts of stuff.

846
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: So you have to navigate the river while also trying

847
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: to be watching for deer, and then if a deer

848
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: does happen to show up, then you are, I'm sure,

849
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: trying to figure out where's my gun, how do I

850
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: get a shot, or how do I see the deer,

851
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 2: or how do I make sure I have time to

852
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: do this before I have to navigate the boat around

853
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: this obstacle or whatever. You must have some kind of

854
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: system of where you put things or how you do things,

855
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: or how you have it set up so that you

856
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: can handle that moment as best as possible.

857
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: What do you recommend on that front?

858
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot going on out there, yes, and

859
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: you have to be ready, and you have to make

860
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: sure that I think the most important thing is being

861
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 4: well organized, having the boat well organized, and just being

862
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: aware and having a good space where you can operate

863
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: in case you have to shuffle a little bit to

864
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 4: make a shot, you have to roll, pull back, get

865
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: on the oars quick. Just having everything ready and prepared

866
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 4: and thought through, I think is the most important thing.

867
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: And it's safety too. I don't know if I've touched

868
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: on this yet, but yeah, safety as well, and that's

869
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: being organized and prepared. That's really feeds into the safety

870
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: aspect too, because when you're on these floats, you know, often,

871
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: like you said, you have a lot of fast corners,

872
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 4: you have a lot of little riffley areas, little rapids,

873
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 4: you know, and if you're not constantly on your game

874
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: and constantly prioritizing safety, there's a lot that can go wrong.

875
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 4: So just that's very important.

876
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: So have you had anything else? Have you had anything

877
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 3: go sideways?

878
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, anything goes sideways, yet not little.

879
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: But I mean, like, have you had anything go wrong

880
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: in one of these trips where something got got away

881
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: from you, or you were looking at a deer and

882
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: you hit a snag or or anything like that.

883
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, nothing crazy, nothing, nothing dangerous, nothing, but

884
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 4: it's I've been through a lot. I can and even

885
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: I could, you know for the people who fish with

886
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 4: me and know, yeah, I've found myself in some interesting

887
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: situations over the years, and I've learned a lot from him.

888
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 4: So it's just, yeah, always being prepared and always being

889
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 4: ready and prioritizing safety. I guess.

890
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 2: All right, So back to a hunt scenario, you're floating

891
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: down the river. You mentioned snare at number one, which

892
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: is you're floating down the river and there's a nice

893
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: buck right in the edge with a dough and he's

894
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: standing there like an idiot, and you have time to

895
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: grab your gun and get a shot. That's beautiful. Sounds

896
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: pretty rare, but if it happens, awesome.

897
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

898
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: There's scenario number two, which is you're floating down the

899
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: river and you see a deer and you just keep

900
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: on floating right past it since there's not a good

901
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: easy shot opportunity, and you get hidden somewhere, you anchor,

902
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 2: you slip up, still hunt, get a shot. How about

903
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: snare number three, which is you're floating down the river,

904
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: you see a deer and before you can do anything

905
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: that deer bulger's out of there, you see it run away?

906
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: How do you what do you do in that scenario?

907
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: That's tough too, You know that that's a tough scenario,

908
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: especially when you're hunting in a lot of the areas

909
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 4: I am where it's just big, big woods, and a

910
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 4: lot of times those deer catch on dee and they're

911
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: just gone. You know, you can always try a lot

912
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 4: of times, you know, if I do see that, I'll

913
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: go downstream, maybe float downstream a half mile mile anchor up.

914
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 4: Take my time, you know, make you know, just take

915
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 4: my time, let the forest settle down, and then maybe

916
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 4: I'll try to still hunt back through there. But it

917
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 4: just depends on the deer. I guess if I float

918
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: by the deer and I catch them beded up and

919
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 4: you know, I don't have a shot, but I don't

920
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 4: spook them, then you know, I'll get right on them.

921
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 4: But if he happens to spook out of that general area,

922
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 4: then maybe I'll give it some time and go back in.

923
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 4: But that's a really tough scenario though, especially where you know,

924
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: I typically find myself hunting and really big woods, So

925
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 4: a lot of times those deer get spooked and they're

926
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: just get gone.

927
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does the you know, I guess I asked

928
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: this earlier.

929
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 3: It comes to the mornings, but throughout the rest of

930
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: the day.

931
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: I mean, are you are you hunting pretty well in

932
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: the morning and the evenings and in the middle of

933
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: the day giving yourself some time to relax. I could

934
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: see myself being tempted to want to fish through the

935
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: middle of the day.

936
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: How do you balance that out? Do you do you

937
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: do one or the other?

938
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: Or are you constantly hunting the whole time and just

939
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: occasionally like I remember seeing one video where you were

940
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: passing through private land and so you took time to

941
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: fish while you were passing through private land. But does

942
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: that you know, what does it look like if you've

943
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: just got public everywhere and you could hunt all day,

944
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: and you could have your gun at the ready all day,

945
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: but at the same time, you've got steelhead or brown

946
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: trout or whatever around you, or maybe you're doing this

947
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: down south and you've got bass you could be fishing too.

948
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: How do you approach balancing all that and what your

949
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: day looks like?

950
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 4: Yeah? I guess it Just like I said, you know,

951
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 4: it just kind of I just go with the flow.

952
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 4: You know, if I'm if, I typically always try to

953
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: make time for a launchers, for some sort of a

954
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 4: break middle of the day. But a lot of times,

955
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: you know, especially where I'm at northern Michigan, you know,

956
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: if you have a big snowstorm coming through, you can

957
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 4: have or you have the right weather, you can have

958
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: deer moving all day long, or you can catch a

959
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 4: buck chase and a dolt. You never know what time

960
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: of day, so it just depends. It just really depends,

961
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, And there are so many other options and

962
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 4: possibilities you can do in the outdoors, so it is nice,

963
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 4: you know, if you wanted to take a cast and

964
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: do some fishing for a little bit and kind of

965
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: reset yourself, so you have that option. But yeah, it

966
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: just I just go with the flow, honestly, Mark, If

967
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 4: I'm going out in the morning, if I know where

968
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: I'm at, I know the train, I know where some

969
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: good food sources are, where I kind of predict to

970
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 4: see deer, I'll get out there early. I'm floating throughout

971
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 4: the day. Not much is going on at this point,

972
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 4: you know, mid morning, haven't saw anything in quite some time.

973
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: I'll take a break, you know, take a break for

974
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: a couple hours. But then sometimes you catch yourself on

975
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: these long I've caught myself on these long trips where

976
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: I have to keep pushing throughout the day too to

977
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 4: meet my goals. So just I always find myself planning

978
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 4: and thinking through these adventures to a t what I think.

979
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: But until you put yourself out there and the elements,

980
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 4: you know, it's really hard to know what to expect

981
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 4: on that trip, you know.

982
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love you keep saying to just go

983
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: with the flow, and that is to any longtime listeners listening,

984
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: they know that that is something that I struggle to

985
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: do because I am like the the planner to a

986
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: te of everything. So what you're telling me is something

987
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: that I know I should do more of. And so

988
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: maybe I just need to hang out with you more

989
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: often and learn to absorb your go with the flow

990
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: vibes so I can pick that up and put that

991
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: into practice, because yes, I imagine that's a pretty good

992
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: way to go about things. And maybe what makes an

993
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: adventure what it is to some degree is the fact

994
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 2: that it doesn't have to be pre planned to the minute,

995
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: that you sometimes take what the adventure gives you and

996
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: that's sometimes the most beautiful thing of it, all.

997
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, absolutely, And everybody's different, you know, but yeah,

998
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 4: for me, that's uh, yeah, that works for me.

999
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you alluded earlier to a couple of different

1000
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: features or things that you'll look for, and I just

1001
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: wanted to circle back to that to make sure we

1002
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: covered off on that. When you're floating a river, or

1003
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: when you're looking at the maps ahead of time and

1004
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: you're trying to plan your day, are there any other

1005
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: specific you know, habitat features or some kind of topography

1006
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: that you've learned tracts deer or funnels deer in a

1007
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 2: certain way that you kind of circle on the map

1008
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: or key in on your mind or throw a pin

1009
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: on Onyx is like, hey, I got to make sure

1010
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: to check this out. Hey, I got to slow down here.

1011
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: Hey maybe this is a spy. Should get out, get

1012
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: out of the boat and sit for a couple hours.

1013
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Are there any of those key things that folks should

1014
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: be looking for?

1015
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely. You know, if you're floating, and you know,

1016
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 4: if you can pick out a nice section where or

1017
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 4: not just even floating, but in general, I guess if

1018
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 4: you can pick out a nice ridge with some oaks.

1019
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 4: You know, if you get some nice white oaks. For me,

1020
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: that's what I personally find most of the success around

1021
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: in the woods that I hunt. If you can find

1022
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 4: that with some thick bedding area nearby, and then if

1023
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 4: you can find some nice benches or saddles on that ridge,

1024
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: you know, that's a great spot, especially for bucks to

1025
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 4: be traveling and trying to pick up a hot dough.

1026
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, and a bench is pretty much, you know,

1027
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 4: just where a ridge kind of comes down, flattens out,

1028
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 4: comes back down, and you know, and I've been learning

1029
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: a ton these last couple of years. You know, like

1030
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 4: I said, I haven't had a lot of time to

1031
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 4: hunt throughout my adult life until these last couple of years.

1032
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 4: So these are all things. And that's kind of what

1033
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 4: I portray my videos to my viewers as well, is

1034
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 4: you know, you're coming along with me for my learning

1035
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 4: experiences and for the whole experience. It's you know, we're

1036
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: gonna learn and we're gonna do this together, so I

1037
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: think and I think people connect with that. So yeah,

1038
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: just so I got off on a tangent again, You're fine.

1039
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: I think that's uh. I think that's that's that's The

1040
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: great thing about an adventure is that so much of

1041
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: it is unknown. And and I think that's why this

1042
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: whole idea of trying new things, going new places, widening

1043
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: the aperture of what a white tail hunt can be

1044
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: is so appealing because so much of the typical white

1045
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: tail hunting culture these days is you know everything you know.

1046
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: I've got places I hunt where I know for years

1047
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 2: and years and years exactly where the deer come from.

1048
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 2: And there's some spots where I have, you know, changed

1049
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 2: the habitat in such a way to even further influence

1050
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: deer do exactly what I think they should do, or

1051
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: what when they do something, when they when when I

1052
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: want them, or how they want them to do. So

1053
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: what you're describing is the complete opposite of that, which

1054
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: is I think very refreshing and uh and I can

1055
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: I can see the appeal to it. Now, Let's say

1056
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: that you've this, You have loaded down the river, you

1057
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: have gone hard on big breakfasts, you have dabbled this

1058
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: and fishing throughout. You have avoided getting too wet, and

1059
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: if you did get wet, you had a good dryer

1060
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: set up so you could stay warm and be comfortable

1061
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: all of this happens. You go with the flow and

1062
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: you shoot a deer. You successfully put a tag on

1063
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: a deer on the river, How have you found work's.

1064
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 3: Best to get that deer out of there?

1065
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: Are you typically gutting it and putting the whole thing

1066
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: in the boat and floating it out. Have you ever

1067
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 2: tried quartering it anything like that? What's your best practice there?

1068
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 4: Yeah? So for me personally, you know, I haven't. I

1069
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 4: guess it depends on the situation. You know. I shot

1070
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 4: one this year where it fell off the top of

1071
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 4: a ridge and went in the river. So I just

1072
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 4: kind of tied her up and got her in the

1073
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 4: boat I can. Then I took her out gut her,

1074
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 4: you know, after I was done hunting that evening. But typically,

1075
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 4: if I have the time and you know things are looking,

1076
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 4: you know, going in a good direction, I'll like to

1077
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 4: take my time and gut the deer right then and there,

1078
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 4: get it taken care of, and then yeah, if you

1079
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 4: can hang it out, hang her up at night, that's

1080
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 4: the best thing to do. And you know, maybe in

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Speaker 4: some scenarios quartering the deer out would be the best

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00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 4: thing to do, But typically I'll just I don't know.

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00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 4: I'll just maybe hang them up at night, or I'll

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00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: just put them in the front of the boat until

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00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 4: I get done with my trip. So that seems to

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00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 4: work well.

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Speaker 2: Have you gotten any crazy looks from other folks on

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00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: the river while floating down with a dead deer in

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00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: your boat?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, for sure, especially especially in areas you know,

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00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 4: where there's yeah other outdoor recreation besides just hunting, you know,

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00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: So it's yeah, it can be funny sometimes, for sure.

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00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: All right, final kind of topic here, just being someone

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Speaker 2: who values adventure in the way that you do chasing adventure,

1095
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: I guess it's adventure.

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Speaker 3: Chasing would be the title of the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: But what things have you found to be important when

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00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 2: it comes to bring adventure to your life. If someone's

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00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: listening and they just want to add they want to

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00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: have a more adventurous life, or they want some other

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00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: suggestions of ways to do this, do you have anything

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00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: else to add?

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00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 4: Don't be afraid to push yourself outside of your comfort zone.

1104
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 4: Always try to push yourself outside of your comfort zone.

1105
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 4: I think that's been one of the biggest things for me,

1106
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: because you never know how things are going to turn out.

1107
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: You never know who you're going to meet. You never

1108
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 4: know what door is going to open. So just being

1109
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 4: open minded for one, being apt to try new things,

1110
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 4: try different tactics, try new experiences in just yeah, pushing

1111
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 4: yourself outside of your comfort zone. I think it's been

1112
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 4: the biggest thing for me being not being afraid to

1113
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: try new things and yeah, go places where you might

1114
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 4: not typically see yourself. And that's led to some of

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00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 4: my most meaningful and enjoyable experiences. Absolutely, And you know

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00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 4: what's been kind of nice what I've kind of learned

1117
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 4: myself through creating content, just how it's worked out is

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00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 4: it's kind of slowed me down a little bit when

1119
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: I go out on these adventures and I have to

1120
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: just prioritize filming and little things because you know, before,

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00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I did this stuff long before I did

1122
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 4: YouTube too, and these kind of adventures, and I'd always

1123
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 4: find myself and always such a rush or you know,

1124
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: or not taking the time to just take a deep

1125
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: breath and appreciate and enjoy the scenery and more that

1126
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 4: the outdoors has to offer than just the big buck

1127
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 4: or the big fish or you know. So I think

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00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 4: that's really what has meant a lot to me too,

1129
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 4: is just making sure you prioritize time on these trips

1130
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: to just slow down and just you know, enjoy the

1131
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: trip for what it is, because you can't always go

1132
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 4: into these adventures. I'm you can't go in with expectations like, oh,

1133
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shoot a big bucker, I'm gonna catch this

1134
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 4: big fish. You just you can't because it's not realistic.

1135
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: And if you set your expectations that high, then you're gonna,

1136
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 4: you know, be disappointed. But if you don't and you

1137
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 4: just go in with it with an open mind and

1138
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do this, and my goal for this is

1139
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 4: just to complete the adventure, and who knows what can happen,

1140
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 4: and then you just are surprised, you know, and just

1141
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 4: things happen and just things work out. They seem to

1142
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 4: work out.

1143
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's that's a great philosophy.

1144
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: What's uh, what's the next way that you plan to

1145
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: push yourself outside of the comfort zone. What's the the

1146
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 2: dream trip or the next big adventure where you are

1147
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: gonna try to spread your wings and fly into a

1148
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: new place.

1149
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna get into some uh yeah, I'm just

1150
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 4: gonna get into more I'm going to keep getting into

1151
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 4: more remote backpacking, camping, big adventures like I started doing

1152
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 4: this last year, like the Ale Royal and that sort

1153
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 4: of thing, going to remote places, maybe doing some fly ins,

1154
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 4: you know, getting dropped off and maybe doing some whitewater

1155
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 4: raft some whitewater rivers. And I want to get a

1156
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 4: pack raft and do a lot of portaging through real

1157
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 4: remote places. So just keep moving. And I'm just planning

1158
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 4: to keep moving in that direction and just keep you know,

1159
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 4: building my skills and just learning more and more. And

1160
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 4: that's what I always preach in my videos that I post,

1161
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 4: you know, is like I try to anyways, like most

1162
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: of the time I'm not going down areas where I've

1163
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: fished or I've been, Like I try to show adapting, overcoming,

1164
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 4: figuring things out the challenges and I could, you know,

1165
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 4: So I think I think that's a big part of

1166
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 4: the adventure, is uh yeah, just being open minded and

1167
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 4: ready for whatever can happen.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I like it all right.

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Speaker 2: So if folks want to check out your videos or

1170
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: anything else where where can folks go to connect with

1171
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: you or to watch your content or to you know,

1172
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: if there's anything else you want to plug let us know.

1173
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Adventure Chasing on YouTube. You can look it up.

1174
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 4: Just Adventure Chasing, simple name, and you'll see my content.

1175
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 4: It's fishing, hunting, camping, and exploring the outdoors. Done mostly

1176
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 4: Michigan content. Started to do Alaska, did a few videos

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00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 4: in Alaska this past year. I've done some other videos

1178
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: from other places, but as my channel, I've been building

1179
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 4: my channel. I've been trying to focus on, you know,

1180
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 4: Michigan content, and that's where my audience is primarily based.

1181
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: So but as I keep growing, I'll keep expanding.

1182
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: So very cool, awesome, Kyle. Well, I've been enjoying it.

1183
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Speaker 2: Keep up the good work, and thanks so much for

1184
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 2: sharing this list today.

1185
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Mark. It's been a pleasure. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right, and that's gonna do it our first episode

1187
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Speaker 2: in our White Tail Ensure series.

1188
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Speaker 3: Hope you guys enjoyed this one.

1189
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: Appreciate you tuning in, and until next time, stay wired

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Speaker 2: to Hunt.