Speaker 1: Hey, hey, Hey.
Speaker 2: We're black, We're brown ambition. I feel like I missed
Speaker 2: a step. Damn it, We're we're black, We're back.
Speaker 1: We're brown ambition. You know what it is?
Speaker 3: Hey, mandra hello, our lives matter. If you guys didn't
Speaker 3: get the memo.
Speaker 1: Yes, woo child, it has been all.
Speaker 4: I realized it sounds like I said all, not all.
Speaker 1: No, yes, are you're just saying, oh, listen.
Speaker 3: How many folks have I had to correct? I can't
Speaker 3: believe that has shake stool lives on? But yeah, how
Speaker 3: are you doing? It has been a week since our
Speaker 3: last show, which was it was a doozy.
Speaker 1: It was a doozy.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling, honestly, much much better and lighter because for
Speaker 2: two weeks it was definitely heavy, heavy, heavy.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm much.
Speaker 2: Better and lighter just because I also see I see movement,
Speaker 2: I see improvement, and so I think that's just giving me, like,
Speaker 2: you know, just a little dose of hope and happiness.
Speaker 4: So I love that I was feeling that way. I listened.
Speaker 3: I never really listened to our shows, but this one
Speaker 3: I actually forgot. It was just we were so emotional
Speaker 3: and so raw that I just could not remember what
Speaker 3: I said, and then people started It started to get
Speaker 3: a lot of traction. People were listening to it, and
Speaker 3: I was getting messages thank you for saying.
Speaker 4: X y Z, and I'm like, what did I say
Speaker 4: on the show?
Speaker 3: People at my job were sharing it, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh man, what did I say about? But I did
Speaker 3: sound kind of upbeat, and I did spend the weekend
Speaker 3: like Friday. It just felt like, you know, just a
Speaker 3: collective sigh and it doesn't feel like days have any
Speaker 3: significance anymore. But Friday did feel like, thank God, the
Speaker 3: week is over and let's just go into the weekend and.
Speaker 4: Try and restore.
Speaker 3: And I know for many people they were out in
Speaker 3: the streets and they were marching and or protesting. I
Speaker 3: still haven't gone out there, but I think I'm running
Speaker 3: out of I'm running. I think I'm going to I
Speaker 3: want to find a way to actually go out and
Speaker 3: protest in a way that is safe.
Speaker 4: But I see people out there with their.
Speaker 3: Kids, and it just feels like it's such a big
Speaker 3: moment that yes, there's lots of things you can do
Speaker 3: behind the scene, and marching isn't everything, but it also
Speaker 3: feels like the physical nature of it like moving your
Speaker 3: legs toward hopefully a better future. It just seems significant
Speaker 3: and I don't want to I don't want to miss that,
Speaker 3: but I agree, like I heard myself on the show
Speaker 3: and I felt optimistic then, and I was trying to
Speaker 3: articulate it. And it feels sort of like when you
Speaker 3: have been carrying your groceries down the streets in Manhattan
Speaker 3: because you're, you know, twenty two, when you just moved
Speaker 3: here and you can't afford a taxi and you're just
Speaker 3: lugging and you're like, why did I get that bottle
Speaker 3: of you know, really heavy juice and your arms are
Speaker 3: aching and then a lovely stranger comes and shares a
Speaker 3: load with you. That is kind of what it has
Speaker 3: felt like, because something's different in time. It's just it's
Speaker 3: the symphony of voices that are around.
Speaker 4: It is. It sounds corny and cheesy, but I don't care.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: It is all the voices lifting up. People are sharing
Speaker 3: the pain. They may not understand it, but they're starting
Speaker 3: to empathize. They're they're trying to empathize, and they're stumbling
Speaker 3: along the way, but people are trying.
Speaker 4: And this is it, This is it.
Speaker 3: Feels like a turning point because it could never just
Speaker 3: be our voices, you know, it had to hit in mainstream,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: You know what's so crazy is that I had normalized
Speaker 2: the abuse in my head. You know, like when I
Speaker 2: was thinking, like I was, like, I think I mentioned
Speaker 2: last week how I said I was going to have,
Speaker 2: you know, like a white friend be the person for
Speaker 2: the the not the insurance suggester, the appraiser there was
Speaker 2: going to come to my house. And because I was
Speaker 2: afraid that I know, historically black homes are under appraised,
Speaker 2: which affects black wealth. And so I had normalize things
Speaker 2: like that, like oh yeah, I'll just get to you know,
Speaker 2: I'll just get a white friend to be me while,
Speaker 2: you know, so that way the appraise or thinks a
Speaker 2: white person lives here and it will give me a
Speaker 2: fair chance.
Speaker 1: There are there are adjustments.
Speaker 2: That black folks make daily that you realize that you're
Speaker 2: you're normal. You normalize the abuse of racism where you're
Speaker 2: just like, oh yeah, well, like someone said, like for example,
Speaker 2: you go into a store and you don't touch anything
Speaker 2: unless you're gonna buy it, because you know that if
Speaker 2: you touch something people there's a very high likelihood someone's
Speaker 2: going to think that you're trying to steal, so you're
Speaker 2: only touching like what you're going to buy, like those
Speaker 2: types of things that you don't realize that you start
Speaker 2: to normalize that like other people don't have to navigate
Speaker 2: in that way. And so I think what what all
Speaker 2: of this brought up for me was that like, wow,
Speaker 2: how much of these things that I had normalized that
Speaker 2: should not be normal that had let kind of like slide.
Speaker 1: So that's there was this rage.
Speaker 2: And this anger and this sadness and this frustration that
Speaker 2: built up because I realized, like, wow, there's so many
Speaker 2: adjustments that I make because I know quote unquote what
Speaker 2: I look like. You know what it would look like
Speaker 2: because it's me. And so I think that's what a
Speaker 2: lot of people were also feeling too. It was the
Speaker 2: anger of what was happening externally, what you could see,
Speaker 2: but it was also the anger of what you realized
Speaker 2: that has been happening to you for so many years
Speaker 2: and you're just like, wait, what is.
Speaker 1: How life has been?
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it was just like I said, I
Speaker 2: feel in a much better space and place because I
Speaker 2: see some movement, I see some it's so crazy because
Speaker 2: I of the three founders of the Black Lives Matter movement,
Speaker 2: I know two of them really well, like Opole that's
Speaker 2: my girl, and Patrise that's my girl as well. I've
Speaker 2: traveled with Patrice to Australia when she got the city well,
Speaker 2: when Black Lives Matter was awarded the Sydney's Peace Prize.
Speaker 1: And Opole and nine have hung out a number of times.
Speaker 2: And so I just so it's crazy to like see
Speaker 2: from their perspective all the work that they've been doing
Speaker 2: and to see it come to fruition like this, just
Speaker 2: like it's just been a crazy.
Speaker 1: Just up and down and up and down.
Speaker 2: But to your point, Mandy, I this time feels different because.
Speaker 1: It's not just black voices that I'm.
Speaker 2: Seeing and hearing calling out for change, which is like,
Speaker 2: so it feels so good that it's not just black voices.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean.
Speaker 3: And the reason that we need more than black voices
Speaker 3: is part of the problem too, because people don't really
Speaker 3: take things seriously often until they hear it from someone
Speaker 3: who looks like them, and most people in power don't
Speaker 3: look like us. So that is why it's so crucial.
Speaker 3: And I mean, and I give people a lot of credit.
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. My little brother was kind
Speaker 3: of going through this, and he was we were talking
Speaker 3: about it. There's this you know how you feel when
Speaker 3: all of a sudden people love your favorite artists, but
Speaker 3: they've been underground for a while, and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden it's mainstream and you're a little.
Speaker 4: Bit like, oh, well, I knew her or him when.
Speaker 3: You know they were just like on the street, busking,
Speaker 3: you know, to make ends meet or whatever.
Speaker 4: I've been a fan for a long time.
Speaker 3: Among some people who have been vocal with the BLM movement,
Speaker 3: there is a sense of like, why now, you know, why.
Speaker 4: Where were you?
Speaker 3: You know, hundreds of deaths ago, you know, where were
Speaker 3: you at treyvon Martin, Where were you at Sandra Bland?
Speaker 3: Where were you at Philando Castile? You know all these opportunities?
Speaker 3: Why what makes this one different? And I really and
Speaker 3: I understand it. I get it because and we can
Speaker 3: we can feel the pain of that, and we can
Speaker 3: feel the pain of the reality that, yes, it took
Speaker 3: a goddamn pandemic killing hundreds of thousands of not one
Speaker 3: hundreds of thous but tens of thousands of Americans and
Speaker 3: more worldwide, hundreds of thousands worldwide. It took that for
Speaker 3: us to be unplugged from all the distractions, all the
Speaker 3: ways that we make ourselves feel better, and to numb
Speaker 3: certain experiences and to ignore things that we don't want
Speaker 3: to look at. It. It took this, And I understand
Speaker 3: people who feel that way and maybe resent those of
Speaker 3: them who are jumping into the movement now who never
Speaker 3: posted about it before when it wasn't mainstream. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, there's such a huge opportunity here. I
Speaker 3: feel like that's the word.
Speaker 4: I just keep.
Speaker 3: Repeating, opportunity, opportunity, use people's guilt that it took them
Speaker 3: so long to speak up to the benefit of black lives. So,
Speaker 3: if you're part of a company right now who is
Speaker 3: grambling to figure out they posted the thing on social media,
Speaker 3: they send the email out to their company. But what's next.
Speaker 3: And I really encourage anyone who's working for a company
Speaker 3: or you own a business, if you're in a position
Speaker 3: where you can talk to someone in power who's wanting
Speaker 3: people are wanting to figure out what they can do
Speaker 3: and what their contribution is, let's help them find a way.
Speaker 3: You know, tell your company, oh, here are the organizations
Speaker 3: where you can donate. Here are links to the websites
Speaker 3: where you can educate yourself. Here is this bail fund.
Speaker 3: People may think that they need to donate to, you know,
Speaker 3: the big names end of lacp ACLU, and that's very important.
Speaker 3: There are local, you know, defense funds that are providing
Speaker 3: legal aid to people who are getting arrested, protesting all
Speaker 3: sorts of things. And it doesn't have to be related
Speaker 3: to the although criminal justice is a huge piece of it.
Speaker 3: You know, if your company, you know, is necessarily tied
Speaker 3: to social causes, maybe there's something like some other way
Speaker 3: through your industry. You can help organizations that are working
Speaker 3: to fight against all the different ways that you know,
Speaker 3: brown and black people are at a disadvantage in this country,
Speaker 3: and just try to hold back the resentment, I think
Speaker 3: and humor like, give them a shot to try. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it took them a damn long time, and it should
Speaker 3: have been. It should have been decades ago, hundreds of
Speaker 3: years ago. I know it should have been. But it's now.
Speaker 3: This is this is it. Don't you feel that like
Speaker 3: I feel that way. This is the moment, So ask
Speaker 3: for whatever the heck, ask for everything, Ask for everything.
Speaker 4: That's how I feel.
Speaker 3: That's and I just want to I want to seize
Speaker 3: this mo And I've been thinking about what I know, Tiffany.
Speaker 3: You know you talked a lot about last week wanting
Speaker 3: to lean into other business owners who are trying to
Speaker 3: figure out how to make a safe space and build
Speaker 3: a business that looks like yours, mostly black, largely female,
Speaker 3: and really lift up those business owners, which is and
Speaker 3: I wanted to know. I know you talked about it
Speaker 3: last week, but you know, how are you finding like
Speaker 3: do you feel the same way I do? And then
Speaker 3: how are you trying to seize this moment. I'm not
Speaker 3: putting you on the spot, but like I kind of am.
Speaker 2: Now I think honestly, I I somebody actually reached out
Speaker 2: to me and I I've already spoken to my team
Speaker 2: about what would that look like because I like simple
Speaker 2: and soon.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it a.
Speaker 2: Whole amen, I don't want to make it. So I'm
Speaker 2: just like, they know those are two favorite words. I'm like,
Speaker 2: how could we do? So? I asked them, I said,
Speaker 2: if we could dedicate because every my team on Mondays
Speaker 2: we have we have a lead team calls twice a
Speaker 2: twice a week Mondays is mental health checking. So literally
Speaker 2: that call is literally just how you doing, how the
Speaker 2: people on your team doing, what can we do to help?
Speaker 2: And then on Thursdays is when we have like the
Speaker 2: nitty gritty call where it's like, you know, this is
Speaker 2: an issue, this, we're fixing this, we're working on that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. So I thought, well, what if we
Speaker 2: could dedicate one Thursday call a month to a brown
Speaker 2: female entrepreneur who So here's the thing though, because I
Speaker 2: know somebody already emailed me, waight to email, because literally.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to put it in a in a.
Speaker 2: Google doc because I want to I want to create
Speaker 2: some sort of like criteria because what I don't want
Speaker 2: to do, I want to make sure because you're going
Speaker 2: to have access to one of the best digital marketers
Speaker 2: in the world, our CFO, one of the best content
Speaker 2: writers in the country, tamer who is the manager of
Speaker 2: our literature academy. I said, eight figure your business Karen,
Speaker 2: who runs everything, our COO myself like this is our
Speaker 2: lead team is six people strong, and it's incredible.
Speaker 1: So as a result of that, I really want to help.
Speaker 2: Existing businesses, So not someone who's like I've got an idea,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking it's like, no, I don't know. We're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what that looks like. Like I've been
Speaker 2: in business for two years or I've been in business
Speaker 2: for three years. You have to have some skin in
Speaker 2: the game. You have to already have some momentum going
Speaker 2: because it's it's you really get to have access to
Speaker 2: folks who are at that net that are like next level.
Speaker 2: So I want to make sure that we're really because
Speaker 2: for the lighter stuff like you could join the Literature Academy,
Speaker 2: for the smaller stuff like I'm just starting a business,
Speaker 2: I want to start an LLC, these type of lighter things.
Speaker 2: You know, we have resources for that, but this is
Speaker 2: really for businesses that are that are already running and
Speaker 2: just need that extra edge. So that way, because the
Speaker 2: point is to help you grow, so that way you
Speaker 2: can create a bigger space and platform so you can
Speaker 2: hire more folks that need that safe keeping, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like for me, I've been really
Speaker 2: just asking myself there's like a three prong approach.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, how can I help?
Speaker 2: Because for me, whenever things get rough and tough, the
Speaker 2: thing I lean in on is my gifts and talents,
Speaker 2: which is teaching.
Speaker 1: So I always lead with that first.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, how can I how can
Speaker 2: I help with businesses? Okay, teaching, I can create a
Speaker 2: safe space where we can start to mentor once a
Speaker 2: month a new business to the next level. Okay, Then
Speaker 2: what about like regular individual people? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I kind of you already do that with with the
Speaker 2: budget Nista, but still I can have a more point
Speaker 2: and maybe, like I already have kind of like a
Speaker 2: ten step plan about how you reach something that I
Speaker 2: call financial hollness. So I'm like, okay, I'm leaning into
Speaker 2: developing that plan so folks can really like from budgeting
Speaker 2: to estate planning really understand how do I get from
Speaker 2: one under the financial spectrum to the next.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, good, And then you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I'm always looking for, like, well, how do I
Speaker 2: help regular everyday people? Then how do I help small businesses?
Speaker 2: And yeah, how can I just expand this reach? And
Speaker 2: when I tell you, and I know some of y'all, listen,
Speaker 2: the amount of production companies that have hit me up
Speaker 2: that are like, hey, we'd love to talk to you
Speaker 2: about your own show, and I in the beginning ten
Speaker 2: years ago, Tiffany was like amped, and then five years
Speaker 2: ago Tiffany was like, I'm good, And now Tiffany now
Speaker 2: is like, hmmm, I'm I'm open because I believe that
Speaker 2: there's a message that needs to be spread beyond just
Speaker 2: like the people that I normally talk to. I'm not
Speaker 2: actually not looking forward to like being like well known,
Speaker 2: you know, because it can be a lot. But I
Speaker 2: do think that there has to be another voice in this.
Speaker 2: If nothing else has taught me with them all the
Speaker 2: shanan again, with that organization that shall not be named,
Speaker 2: and all those other things that you're going to talk about,
Speaker 2: right So if nothing else, then it has taught me
Speaker 2: that there has to be a descending voice, you know,
Speaker 2: that speaks for the voice list and teaches in a
Speaker 2: way that doesn't involve shame, that doesn't evolve like antagonization,
Speaker 2: that doesn't involve all of those things, that teaches financial education,
Speaker 2: that democratizes financial education in a way that everyone can participate.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Sotin, if you have that opportunity, don't
Speaker 1: turn it down.
Speaker 2: So that's where I am right now, just trying to
Speaker 2: tap into extended ways that I can continue to serve
Speaker 2: because I've already served this population.
Speaker 1: But really just trying to amplify.
Speaker 3: That that why would you ever have turned down a
Speaker 3: TV show? Maybe you were having a little bit of
Speaker 3: an aposter syndrome, but I'm gonna need you to get
Speaker 3: their own sure, get every But.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, well, like I said, right now,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of production agency. I haven't I don't,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm still even navigating what does that look like?
Speaker 2: Like you know, I'm still trying to have you know,
Speaker 2: super baby, and like what I want to I don't
Speaker 2: want I want to make sure that, like you know,
Speaker 2: that's my that's a priority for me. I don't want
Speaker 2: to put a show over that. So just understanding, like
Speaker 2: what does the taping schedule look like? You know, And
Speaker 2: I already spoke to them.
Speaker 4: Who's the talk show host who had a baby in
Speaker 4: her late forties and she she would Tameron Hall, Tammer and.
Speaker 1: Hall yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean like that I wouldn't want I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that that like from taping from being the
Speaker 2: financial expert for the real that daily show thing. Absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in that. It is there's no way
Speaker 2: with all that I have going on, there's no space
Speaker 2: for that. I would prefer some sort of like reality
Speaker 2: positive reality show where I really helped to transform someone's
Speaker 2: life or families have a woman's like whatever that looks like.
Speaker 2: But the show is taped in like typically those type
Speaker 2: of shows are taping within two or three months, so
Speaker 2: you like dedicate like three months of your time hardcore
Speaker 2: taping this show, and then you have other things you
Speaker 2: can go back to.
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in taping.
Speaker 2: A show like where you go into the studio and
Speaker 2: you're taping all day long now because I've got ten
Speaker 2: thousand things that I still want to work on. So
Speaker 2: I much rather saying, Okay, these three months out of
Speaker 2: my life is show, show, show, and then the show
Speaker 2: comes out and I can do the other things that
Speaker 2: I'm working on. So, like I said, I'm open, and
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm ready. When I saw myself all
Speaker 2: we gotta talk about Queer Eye?
Speaker 4: Oh did you want to talk about that? Is that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Were you on Queer Eye?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 4: Did you guys?
Speaker 1: See?
Speaker 4: I didn't? I is that like a thing? Yes?
Speaker 3: Because I was thinking of the right into it. Okay,
Speaker 3: but before you get okay, we all know you're fabulish everyone,
Speaker 3: so before you do, because I could put you on
Speaker 3: the spot, just real quick. Just a couple of ways
Speaker 3: that I've stepped out of my own comfort zone. One recently,
Speaker 3: in response to like what's happening? I went to the
Speaker 3: University of Georgia, which is the oldest black pub uh
Speaker 3: not black, I would not at all super non diverse anyway,
Speaker 3: the oldest public higher education institution in the state of Georgia,
Speaker 3: and my alma mater. Had an amazing time there, but
Speaker 3: I never realized how many buildings on campus were named
Speaker 3: for And this makes absolute perfect sense. It's a Southern college,
Speaker 3: it's been around hundreds of years. Of course, many institutions
Speaker 3: on the campus have been named after people who had
Speaker 3: not so great belief systems and potentially own slaves and
Speaker 3: all kinds of whatnot. And there's been this movement for
Speaker 3: my journalism school to drop the name in the title
Speaker 3: of at school, which is Grady, and replace it with
Speaker 3: something else. And so I'm kind of I accidentally stumbled
Speaker 3: into the little group of alumni who are trying to
Speaker 3: get the school renamed, and there's a petition going around
Speaker 3: and it feels small, but it feels like something, you know,
Speaker 3: like something. So I'm trying to give people ideas. You know,
Speaker 3: look at the street on your corner, look at the
Speaker 3: school down the street, or a statue. I know people
Speaker 3: are looking at statues now. If there's symbols of belief
Speaker 3: systems that hurt black Americans, hurt Americans of color, you
Speaker 3: have a voice, and now is the time to challenge
Speaker 3: people to take them down literally.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You think of colleges naming places after people who give
Speaker 3: than billions of dollars, you know, and that's why they're
Speaker 3: named that way.
Speaker 4: In this case, I asked the question, like, so, why
Speaker 4: is this guy's name in my school? Is Henry W. Grady?
Speaker 3: Oh, he was like one of the trustees back in
Speaker 3: the day. He didn't give a dime to the school.
Speaker 3: So why are we, like, you know, plasting his name
Speaker 3: over everything? And and and think critically and like ask
Speaker 3: these questions because maybe it's not you know, changing making
Speaker 3: sweeping legislative changes. That's what people in Congress are for.
Speaker 3: Of course, it's about voting, of course, it's about raising
Speaker 3: your voice, but it's also about what I love about
Speaker 3: this movement now as people are realizing it's what can
Speaker 3: I do in my community? What can I do inside
Speaker 3: my family unit, to have conversations, to challenge things, to
Speaker 3: challenge institutions that are local to me. And if everyone
Speaker 3: just did a little bit more of that, I mean,
Speaker 3: that's how the movement really happens. So I just wanted
Speaker 3: to quickly, you know, mention that. And also, like I said,
Speaker 3: if you work for a company, I work for a
Speaker 3: company that put out a statement in support a Black
Speaker 3: Lives Matter and for me, I'm asking, hey, so they're
Speaker 3: really excited to help, So like, what can we for next?
Speaker 3: And of course it might be money, but it also
Speaker 3: might be all right, if you acknowledge that you're not
Speaker 3: so diverse, what commitment can you make to improving that
Speaker 3: diversity instead of just sort of sometimes people want to
Speaker 3: pat in the back for acknowledging the the discrepancy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we know, we're a bunch of white guys in the
Speaker 3: c suite. It's all you know, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 3: get on that. But like, so what's the steps? You know,
Speaker 3: what are the steps? What are the actions? And I
Speaker 3: think right now, if you are a person of color
Speaker 3: at a company and you feel.
Speaker 4: In the past, like.
Speaker 3: I talked about last week, you may not have felt
Speaker 3: so comfortable reminding people that you are black or Latino
Speaker 3: or whatever. But now it's the time, like they need
Speaker 3: our help. And yes, it's annoying and it's it shouldn't
Speaker 3: be the way that you and we need to help
Speaker 3: them find a way to help.
Speaker 4: But it's also an opportunity.
Speaker 3: And I really just encourage everyone to start thinking small,
Speaker 3: like what can you do where you work, where you
Speaker 3: live to try and make things a little bit more
Speaker 3: equitable and ask the people who are in a place
Speaker 3: of power to make commitments to something not just lip service,
Speaker 3: you know. And that's that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm on the alumni board for this college, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: am I gonna get kicked off? I don't know, whatever,
Speaker 3: It'll be fine, It'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the part that's kind of hard. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie speaking up there. I didn't, you know, when
Speaker 2: I spoke up against like I said, the organization that
Speaker 2: shall not be named, I I didn't anticipate.
Speaker 1: I guess some of the backlash, I guess, which is
Speaker 1: kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: I didn't, and maybe I did, but I didn't anticipate
Speaker 2: some of the backlash from some of the people that
Speaker 2: I got it from. You gotta know I did. I
Speaker 2: left before I got to read most of it because
Speaker 2: I'm not in that. I'm not in their community online
Speaker 2: Facebook community anymore, because I was like, well, why am
Speaker 2: I here?
Speaker 3: Okay, so, but I'm a producer, had aason. We have
Speaker 3: two huge budget, needs to talking points. We have to
Speaker 3: talk about Queer Eye. We have to talk about the
Speaker 3: conference that shall not be named, but we kind of
Speaker 3: do need to name it because people don't know what
Speaker 3: we're talking about. It's called thin kany'all.
Speaker 1: Yes, but we talked about it.
Speaker 2: Remember I talked about finn Conn and how I pute.
Speaker 2: We talked about so last week is a blur.
Speaker 4: Did we talk about it?
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about it in general. I talked about well,
Speaker 2: not even in general. I talked about how I shared
Speaker 2: a tweet. Why I tweeted because the founder of finn
Speaker 2: Conn tweeted some really disparaging remarks about like what's happening now,
Speaker 2: But quite honestly, he's been doing that, not just now. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's a huge supporter of literally the person that we
Speaker 2: do not name. That's that's that's now lives on Black
Speaker 2: Matter of Black Lives Matter, sixteen hundred, Black Lives Matter, Plaza,
Speaker 2: the irony.
Speaker 1: So he's a huge.
Speaker 2: Supporter of that person, which whatevers, that's, you know, whatever
Speaker 2: floats your boat. But some of his tweets, he's now
Speaker 2: since disabled his Twitter because God, for bitch, someone should
Speaker 2: do the research. Some of his tweets have always been
Speaker 2: like a little okay, but so it came to light
Speaker 2: some of his most recent tweets, especially about what's happening now,
Speaker 2: So people were really upset about it. They posted it
Speaker 2: in our our Facebook group and people were holding him
Speaker 2: to the fire. He deleted the post at first, and
Speaker 2: then it was brought back and they were like, no
Speaker 2: answer for these and I, you know, went in. It
Speaker 2: was like and what I saw. What I didn't like
Speaker 2: is that folks were like, well, it's just this one
Speaker 2: time tweet. I was like, no, what's your history of behavior?
Speaker 2: And so I just shared how he'd offered me, you know,
Speaker 2: like peanuts to do a keynote and then offered a
Speaker 2: white woman ten thousand, like he offered me twenty five hundred.
Speaker 2: A white woman ten thousand and then he had paid
Speaker 2: a white man like two or three years prior, maybe
Speaker 2: even before fifty thousand and so, you know, I posted
Speaker 2: that because I wanted to show a history of behavior.
Speaker 2: And so of course I you know, I cause Mandy
Speaker 2: and I had talked about it, remember me and n
Speaker 2: we talked about it offline before when I was asking like, do.
Speaker 1: You know what other folks have made?
Speaker 2: Because I wanted to just see, like what's happening, and
Speaker 2: a few other women and I want to I want
Speaker 2: to keep it really vague because I you know, it's
Speaker 2: not my story to tell, but a few other women
Speaker 2: reached out to me about their experiences about pay and things,
Speaker 2: and it is egregious what some people were paid or
Speaker 2: offered egregious. And yeah, so I shared that and honestly,
Speaker 2: not that I didn't think anything was gonna happen, but
Speaker 2: it kind of blew up in the in the least
Speaker 2: a personal finance space. He ended up stepping down as CEO,
Speaker 2: which wasn't my intention. And quite honestly, if I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be always transparent, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I've left that place.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like I've yeah, I don't you're stepping
Speaker 2: down whatever, like que I mean, I know to me
Speaker 2: it's just for looks, but whatever, I don't and so
Speaker 2: I've moved on. But I'm from what I've heard, there's
Speaker 2: been like a lot of there are other things that
Speaker 2: he's done to other folks that have come to light.
Speaker 2: Once I shared that, people were like and then and
Speaker 2: then and then and then, you know, but by then
Speaker 2: I had left, and so, like I said, I'm not
Speaker 2: in the the group anymore. But people were sending me
Speaker 2: screenshots of what some folks were saying.
Speaker 1: Something that he did that I didn't like, which I
Speaker 1: didn't even notice that he'd done.
Speaker 2: He implied, ever so lightly, that maybe I was anti Semitic,
Speaker 2: That's what it kind of read like, which I didn't think.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So there was.
Speaker 2: One post where he said, Hey, Tiffany, I didn't pay
Speaker 2: someone with this that guy more because he's Jewish and white,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, who's Jewish?
Speaker 1: I didn't even in the way he I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until some folks in the Incong community who
Speaker 2: were Jewish reached out and were upset, like, Hey, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: did you say anything about the guy who's paid more
Speaker 2: being Jewish. And that's why I was like, what, First
Speaker 2: of all, I didn't even know he was Jewish?
Speaker 1: Okay, like, and second of all I didn't.
Speaker 2: I had to literally post my tweet and even post
Speaker 2: my email response back to the offer, like I never
Speaker 2: once mentioned like that he's Jewish, and I thought, I thought,
Speaker 2: I found that very curious that he would use that language.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I mean, uh huh, yeah,
Speaker 2: So it just yes, well, what's the expression that came
Speaker 2: home to roost.
Speaker 3: You reap what you so, mister, yes, And that's you
Speaker 3: don't want to relish. You don't want to relish on
Speaker 3: anyone's downfall. I hope that this is another case of
Speaker 3: what happens when we talk to each other. And it
Speaker 3: also is another case of you and Tiffany. You did
Speaker 3: the work, You benchmarked your own damn speech, and you
Speaker 3: should have and you should to figure because you know
Speaker 3: what you're worth. But it's also okay you want to be,
Speaker 3: you know, cognitizant of someone's budget, but you need to know,
Speaker 3: and so many people don't know what they're worth. And
Speaker 3: in one part of that journey is asking others what
Speaker 3: they've gotten for similar work and it's just one of
Speaker 3: these awkward, you know, taboo subjects in this country. And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: what's most challenging if you're a person of color is
Speaker 3: you may not know people who have been there before
Speaker 3: you to give you that, to give you the benefit
Speaker 3: of knowledge. And that is another part of white privilege
Speaker 3: that people don't want to acknowledge. The fact that you
Speaker 3: may have an uncle, or you may have a neighbor,
Speaker 3: you may have a friend's you know, father, from the
Speaker 3: school that you attend it's a fancy school, you know,
Speaker 3: you may have access to knowledge. It's not just about money.
Speaker 3: It's not just about healthcare, although those are huge issues
Speaker 3: as well. It's about knowledge and sometimes you have to work.
Speaker 3: And this is another I'll say it again, this is
Speaker 3: brown ambition. Brown ambition is doing the extra work, not
Speaker 3: whining about the fact that you need to do it,
Speaker 3: but doing it because that is what's going to take
Speaker 3: for you to get to where you're going. And it's
Speaker 3: so necessary. And when you spoke, other people heard you.
Speaker 3: And I hope that this just encourages more people, not
Speaker 3: just women, but of course women like talk to each
Speaker 3: other ask what did you get, and especially if it's
Speaker 3: someone who's already kind of passed that mark. They shouldn't
Speaker 3: have a problem sharing that with you, and I encourage
Speaker 3: if you're not. This is one way to be an ally.
Speaker 3: If you're not sure of what to do or how
Speaker 3: you can contribute, reach out to someone a few steps
Speaker 3: behind you, who's a person of color, woman or man,
Speaker 3: or person in general, and offer them access to your knowledge,
Speaker 3: the benefit of your knowledge, because you may be underestimating
Speaker 3: the value of it, you know.
Speaker 2: Because it's like, literally, I remember, Manandi, I reached out
Speaker 2: to you. I was like, Mandy, what do you think.
Speaker 2: I reached out to my agent, Ellie, what have you heard?
Speaker 2: I reached out to a number of women. I would
Speaker 2: say at least five different women I reached out to
Speaker 2: just to be sure that I wasn't bugging, you know.
Speaker 1: And then when I got like some numbers back, I
Speaker 1: was like, interesting, this is some being because.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't want to jump the gun, even
Speaker 2: though it intrinsically I was like, twenty five hundred seems
Speaker 2: super low considering that literally local churches pay me more.
Speaker 2: But also too, there are there have been huge platforms
Speaker 2: where I spoke where they didn't pay any speakers and
Speaker 2: then you know, because I've asked around and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: so this is one of those platforms.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to jump the gun.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, you know, just in case,
Speaker 2: you know, I was mistaken, you know, to leave space
Speaker 2: for that. But to your point, Mandy, that it's so
Speaker 2: important to you know, have the conversations. It's one to
Speaker 2: ask and two to reply to other folks about what's happening.
Speaker 1: I'm always sharing like this. Was talking to a.
Speaker 2: Friend of mine today who got just approached by a
Speaker 2: production company because they're all trying to gobble us all
Speaker 2: up for for a guess finding shows. And I was
Speaker 2: walking her through like what the steps are going to
Speaker 2: look like and like the dudes that don't want the
Speaker 2: expectation all that stuff. Because you know, Lynette, who we've
Speaker 2: had on the show she put me on. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's so important to pass information on from one
Speaker 2: person to the next and not to hoard information because
Speaker 2: in doing so you can just it really just helps us.
Speaker 1: To all grow collectively together. So so yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I feel really good. I mean, people have reached
Speaker 2: out to me like are you okay. I'm like, sis,
Speaker 2: I was on Queer Eyes.
Speaker 3: So I'm good, which We're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 3: You see how I make people wait until we come
Speaker 3: back for a break. We're gonna take a quick break
Speaker 3: and then I mean, we all know what the brown
Speaker 3: boos is gonna be. Let's just talk about Tiffy and
Speaker 3: Queer right, Okay, we will be right back. Do do
Speaker 3: do do do do do do do do?
Speaker 1: Are we not taking questions today? People will?
Speaker 3: I don't care about things right now. This I was
Speaker 3: just singing the theme song for Queer Eye. Dude, dude, okay,
Speaker 3: so Queer I. That was the gift that I gave myself. Yes,
Speaker 3: this is Barnavis Fromer back to the show. I'm taking
Speaker 3: over the segment because I'm an.
Speaker 4: Interview Tiffany about Queer I.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So what happened was Tiffany and I are
Speaker 3: obviously not friends because she did not tell me about this.
Speaker 4: No, that's not true.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know what.
Speaker 3: Tiffany stable? Because you have laughing, you throw your back
Speaker 3: out again. So here's what happens when you get tapped
Speaker 3: on the shoulder for a can you even call it
Speaker 3: a nah? A global television phenomenon because it's on n
Speaker 3: they make you sign so many pieces of paper, so
Speaker 3: much legalies that says if you tell a single soul,
Speaker 3: we will take their firstborn child. And obviously she knew
Speaker 3: I was okay, So of course Tiffany couldn't tell anybody
Speaker 3: except for her lovely HUSBANDE. But queer eye queer eye,
Speaker 3: which epitomizes like so much of what is good in
Speaker 3: the world right now, And it was the treat I
Speaker 3: gave myself this weekend. I tucked in, you know, with
Speaker 3: my nice fuzzy blanket and my puppy, and we sat
Speaker 3: down to watch a few episodes, and I really was
Speaker 3: in my feelings because they were in Philly this season,
Speaker 3: and Philly obviously has a huge just lots of black culture,
Speaker 3: lots of gentrification. It's a city that's in the in
Speaker 3: the midst of so much change, not just the city
Speaker 3: but the state as well, and they told some unique
Speaker 3: black stories. There was a young woman who had a
Speaker 3: business that was on the rocks, like she and all
Speaker 3: she needed was someone to tell her how. And it
Speaker 3: broke my heart because without the access to knowledge, you
Speaker 3: can see how it was holding her back from her
Speaker 3: own dream and her own possibility. And then then we
Speaker 3: get to a young man named Tyreek, who, oh my god,
Speaker 3: just this human teddy bear of a man who, for
Speaker 3: reasons out of his control, borne into tough circumstances but
Speaker 3: pulled himself out, found himself to a good community and
Speaker 3: was getting back on his feet, but had some financial issues.
Speaker 3: And when I heard his story, I was like, Tiffany,
Speaker 3: this guy means Tiffany, Like if he just had a Tiffany,
Speaker 3: it would all be okay, you know, And he needs
Speaker 3: his auntie Ruth to love him again, but like that's fine,
Speaker 3: but mostly he needs to figure out why his credit
Speaker 3: has been stolen. And then like the fairy Godwether Bibity
Speaker 3: Poppity Boo budget Neiza, it was on my screen, Oh
Speaker 3: my god. And when I saw Tiffy, like, who are
Speaker 3: you talking about earlier the founders of the Black Lives
Speaker 3: Matter movement and how incredible it is to see people
Speaker 3: who have done the work for so long succeed And
Speaker 3: now Queer Eye to me is like you could have
Speaker 3: won the Nobel Peace Prize, Tiffany, Like it's just this
Speaker 3: show is just I stand for it because I genuinely
Speaker 3: feel like if we just loved each other and looked
Speaker 3: at each other the way that these five beautiful men
Speaker 3: look at the people that they help. It's just the
Speaker 3: intention of the show is so pure and I just
Speaker 3: eat it up. It fills my soul, and you also
Speaker 3: fill my soul because that is how you approach your work,
Speaker 3: And when those two things came together, it was just
Speaker 3: I could not take it. And to have known you
Speaker 3: for as long as I have and to watch your
Speaker 3: career people, I got message from people who were like,
Speaker 3: I just love the way you.
Speaker 4: Love Tiffany, Like I love how excited you are for
Speaker 4: your friends.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, find you a friend who loved you
Speaker 3: like I left tiff and watched to see you succeed.
Speaker 1: Y'all need better friends.
Speaker 4: Y'all need friends who want to see you rise.
Speaker 2: Yo, your ID stories just just gave me all the life.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, first of all, the fact that
Speaker 2: you were watching it and saying it like oh NVK,
Speaker 2: you know, like to me, should be audi?
Speaker 1: Wait is that?
Speaker 3: And then you literally I was gonna tweet them like
Speaker 3: why didn't you call my girl Tiffany and had a
Speaker 3: brother show. Not that I have any influence, but oh,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad you didn't tell me, because it was
Speaker 3: so it was just to find out that.
Speaker 4: Way and be genuinely shocked and surprised.
Speaker 1: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: So because you know, well the way it worked, it
Speaker 2: was like a year I had taste almost a year prior.
Speaker 4: They were sweating nasties, and I could tell it was
Speaker 4: like what.
Speaker 1: It was because I was it was. I was so.
Speaker 2: And then you know, of course you signed your NDA
Speaker 2: like you know, and in it because also too, you know,
Speaker 2: they want to protect the privacy of Tyreek, you know,
Speaker 2: before that comes out. And plus two, you know they
Speaker 2: want they tape, you know, so long in advance. And
Speaker 2: so I was so scared to say anything because I
Speaker 2: was I was afraid that if anything came out that
Speaker 2: they would just cut my segments.
Speaker 1: They had never done a financial segment a queer I
Speaker 1: didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Until recently, and that was their first ever financial money
Speaker 2: segment or expert on Queer Eye. So and then so
Speaker 2: after months, I forgot because if y'all know, if you've
Speaker 2: been listening to Brown and Bits, you know I have
Speaker 2: the memory of an eighty year old. So I literally
Speaker 2: totally forgot until it was just about to come out
Speaker 2: and they gave me like the flyer, which I added
Speaker 2: myself to the flyer. I'm in the little boat at
Speaker 2: the back, like hey, So they gave me this, and
Speaker 2: they gave me the flyer to post, and by then
Speaker 2: I'd forgotten that, like you know that I hadn't told
Speaker 2: that anyone, And so when it came out, it just
Speaker 2: like literally I woke up.
Speaker 1: It was June fifth is when it came out.
Speaker 2: I woke up first thing in the morning, and I
Speaker 2: watched the episode, and of course I'm boohooing over Tyrek,
Speaker 2: and then I'm nervous to see how do I show
Speaker 2: up because it's it's nerve wracking when you're on camera.
Speaker 2: It's very difficult to maintain and be yourself when a
Speaker 2: camera is on, and for years I've been practicing to do.
Speaker 2: I remember Oprah did this interview where she talks about
Speaker 2: how Quincy Jones told her what made her so special
Speaker 2: and why he knew why she was going to do
Speaker 2: well is that she has the unique ability to be
Speaker 2: the same on and off camera.
Speaker 1: I think people take it for granted when a camera
Speaker 1: turns on.
Speaker 2: Ninety nine point nine percent of people are not able
Speaker 2: to be the same person.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult.
Speaker 2: And I remember when I heard Oprah say that that
Speaker 2: that's what Quincy Jones said about her.
Speaker 1: I made it my mission. It was years ago.
Speaker 2: I made it my mission to work on being the
Speaker 2: same person on and off camera. And most times I'm
Speaker 2: not like I'm a little bit more nervous. I'm you know,
Speaker 2: like I'm either super hyper Tiffany or super low key Tiffany,
Speaker 2: but never really just like my normal self. And for
Speaker 2: the first time ever, when I saw myself on Queer Eye,
Speaker 2: that's exactly me. Like, that's exactly like how if there
Speaker 2: was no camera, the way I spoke to Treiq is
Speaker 2: exactly how I show up, Like when I'm helping a
Speaker 2: dream catcher and I was watching myself and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: ten years in the making, Tiffany, you finally did it
Speaker 2: like you are you, you know, and it just felt
Speaker 2: really I don't know, it just felt really good and
Speaker 2: it just felt and.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't even reconuz.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was thinking to myself, Okay, I did it,
Speaker 2: but then someone so many people hit me up and
Speaker 2: said you were so kind of Tarik, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what I didn't even see it that way, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I didn't think I was kind. I was just doing
Speaker 2: what I would normally do, and you were so uplifting,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, how do people speaking to me?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you have to make yourself so vulnerab
Speaker 3: you know, he was probably more nervous than you were. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because people look at their finances. And if you haven't
Speaker 3: seen this episode, the episode four seas in five, check
Speaker 3: it out in Netflix Seal Someone's password. It's fine, Tyreek.
Speaker 3: You can tell that he was the kind of person
Speaker 3: who swept things under the rug. I mean how many years,
Speaker 3: Like he was eleven when he was moved from his
Speaker 3: home with his aunt slash mother Ruth, and then he
Speaker 3: was in his mid twenties, so over a decade he
Speaker 3: spent not talking to this woman, and his finances are
Speaker 3: probably similar.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, I tried to go to a.
Speaker 3: Bank, you know, a few years ago, and they told
Speaker 3: me that someone stole my social and then you know
Speaker 3: so and people are so embarrassed often and afraid to
Speaker 3: acknowledge what they've done wrong because they feel like they're
Speaker 3: going to be judged and they feel that they're going
Speaker 3: to hear Oh well, you deserve what you get, you
Speaker 3: know you're supposed to have. But and then in that shame,
Speaker 3: it's about shame, you know, it's about shame, and it's
Speaker 3: about releasing what you what you do, what your power is,
Speaker 3: and what Oprah's power is too, because she's talked to
Speaker 3: so many people who have so much shame about their circumstances.
Speaker 3: You put them at ease because you relieve them of it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Well also too, I just wanted him to know that
Speaker 1: you're not alone, you know that.
Speaker 2: Like like that's when I when I was like, I've
Speaker 2: been on paychecks okay, like not paycheck check systems, yeah,
Speaker 2: like in.
Speaker 4: The check systems mentioned in Queer Eye. I just love it.
Speaker 3: I mean when when tell me when that's ever been mentioned?
Speaker 4: Yes, you don't check your bank account.
Speaker 2: And so I just it was I mean, it was
Speaker 2: so crazy because like you guys, see me give him
Speaker 2: like a paper where I talk because beforehand they kind
Speaker 2: of gave me like his background. So I wanted to
Speaker 2: create a specialized plan for him that was not for
Speaker 2: TV that it was like this is what I want
Speaker 2: you to do. So I really I typed out, like okay,
Speaker 2: step one, step two, step three.
Speaker 1: I want you to be okay.
Speaker 2: And so we were like wrapping up taping and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, Torik you no, no, Now, the cameras
Speaker 2: and things are going to be off, but I want
Speaker 2: to share this with you because I really want you
Speaker 2: to be okay beyond this. And so they're like, wait,
Speaker 2: what's that. It was like a plan I typed up
Speaker 2: for him. They're like, let's get it on camera, and
Speaker 2: that's what. That's what because we talked for a while,
Speaker 2: so that's what showed up. And I just thought it's
Speaker 2: so incredible, like that, that honest interaction that that wasn't
Speaker 2: meant for you know, I didn't bring.
Speaker 1: That for TV. That wasn't you know.
Speaker 2: We had already kind of talked about how the scene
Speaker 2: it was gonna go, and that wasn't for that. That
Speaker 2: was like I wanted. I wanted him to have something
Speaker 2: to go home with. And I literally love was like
Speaker 2: step one, do this, step two, call this person, step three.
Speaker 1: You because I knew that he needed that handholding.
Speaker 2: And so and for those of you who are asking,
Speaker 2: because when you're watching, you see I tell him there's
Speaker 2: a thirty six thirty six day. Of course, honestly, it's
Speaker 2: just my y'all been hearing me talking about my Literature
Speaker 2: Challenge for the longest.
Speaker 1: It's free.
Speaker 2: I mean it I gave it to him, but I
Speaker 2: mean it's literally just the Live Richer Challenge.
Speaker 1: If you go to live Richer.
Speaker 2: Challenge dot com, there's five challenges you can take, take
Speaker 2: one at a time because it's an email course, so
Speaker 2: it emails you daily. But the one that I suggested
Speaker 2: for him was the Fundamentals. That's the very first one
Speaker 2: I ever wrote. But yeah, so it's free. Because people
Speaker 2: were messaging like I wish I had a thirty six
Speaker 2: day I'm like, you do Liverature Challenge. It's like I've
Speaker 2: wrote it in twenty fourteen, and so yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: it was just I don't usually give myself a lot
Speaker 2: of space and grace, but I was like, Tiffany.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you.
Speaker 2: You did a really good job and you help someone
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to like reconnect because the way it is,
Speaker 2: obviously they're not going to give me his contact information.
Speaker 1: So but I've definitely said it.
Speaker 2: Like when I saw it come out, I reached back
Speaker 2: out to the producer to say please, you know, regive
Speaker 2: him my contact information so we can make sure that
Speaker 2: he is he's okay, because it's you know, you know,
Speaker 2: thirty minutes with someone is not enough. You really need
Speaker 2: some handholding. And I don't mind doing that for him.
Speaker 2: And so much of what he was going through is
Speaker 2: probably tied up.
Speaker 3: And you know, and people the psychology and money is real, y'all,
Speaker 3: and you need follow up.
Speaker 4: It's the same.
Speaker 3: It's so similar to when you're trying to lose weight
Speaker 3: and you get you get weight loss surgery, like people
Speaker 3: in my family have gotten. And it's not a it's
Speaker 3: about that surgery. It's not like and that's what kind
Speaker 3: of happens on Queer I And I mean, I love
Speaker 3: the show. They do spend a week with people and
Speaker 3: they really pour into them and they tailor the makeover.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to say makeover like it's a
Speaker 3: you know, splashed a lipstick and a new outfit. They
Speaker 3: really work on the inside and the out. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, it's a week and they get you know,
Speaker 3: they gave Tyrek this beautiful, stunning makeover of his apartment
Speaker 3: that he finally had had for the first time, but
Speaker 3: he was still working. I mean, you can tell he's
Speaker 3: on the fringe. You know, he was homeless for a
Speaker 3: lot for many years, and those type of people are
Speaker 3: very vulnerable. I mean, sometimes you don't even know what
Speaker 3: to do with that kind of good fortune, and you
Speaker 3: may start to you may start to feel guilty about it.
Speaker 3: You may not think you're worthy of it. I mean,
Speaker 3: and I just feel like, and it's not just about Tyreek,
Speaker 3: although of course he's hot, he's fresh on my mind,
Speaker 3: but it's about it's about reaching out to those people
Speaker 3: and following up and seeing and acknowledging that they're going
Speaker 3: to need you know, that follow up. And I hope
Speaker 3: I got really invested in his story and then you
Speaker 3: turned up and then I was like, okay, I like
Speaker 3: need to know everything about him and follow him everywhere.
Speaker 1: Sidebar.
Speaker 2: Mandy was a guest on I G Live and everyone
Speaker 2: was like, I did not know in who my sister.
Speaker 1: She's like, you did not tell me that Mandy was hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you didn't know.
Speaker 4: The same blood No, because I had that to listen.
Speaker 2: No, you are, I mean, I obviously I know you're hilarious,
Speaker 2: but I'm just so used to you being like hilarious
Speaker 2: and I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1: She's like yeah, but she's.
Speaker 2: Like, I've never you know, like I've heard Mandy on
Speaker 2: the podcast, but I've never seen like Mandy and accent.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what everybody thinks that I'm like the crazy
Speaker 2: silly one. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no,
Speaker 2: We're gonna have Mandy on more often.
Speaker 4: She like to off her game because I don't know
Speaker 4: any rules. I mean I do. I made the.
Speaker 3: Same commitment and be myself whenever i'm because it's too
Speaker 3: exhausted and could try and be any you know. I
Speaker 3: see like people on IG and they and I did
Speaker 3: it too. I was watching some of my oh used
Speaker 3: to host a web series like y'ahoo Finance, and I
Speaker 3: watched some of my old videos and I'm like, look
Speaker 3: at you trying to be Katie Kirk.
Speaker 1: You're not Katie Kirk. You're not Katie Kirk.
Speaker 3: Like that's not who you are. She's not, but there's
Speaker 3: only one you and I Yeah. And also when you're
Speaker 3: too tired to try, which is you know, the last
Speaker 3: six months of my life, it really just reveals just
Speaker 3: who you are inside. So I'm glad you kuinds like
Speaker 3: it and.
Speaker 2: We're gonna teach you how to stay to pull back
Speaker 2: from the from the phone.
Speaker 1: Grandma.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look at mandy face all up in the
Speaker 2: phone like somebody's grandma. I was like, you can tell Bady,
Speaker 2: don't never go No, my.
Speaker 3: Face was all up in the phone because I don't
Speaker 3: have a studio where I have the lighting and my
Speaker 3: face beat and you know the nice background. You were
Speaker 3: gonna literally see my bed that wasn't made. So I
Speaker 3: had to fill the I had to fill the string with.
Speaker 4: My hair with your hair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So you're welcome for that.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it this just gets like so
Speaker 2: much better. I mean when you when you were like
Speaker 2: we should try a podcast, I was like, oh, that
Speaker 2: new thing that folks are doing. Who would have known,
Speaker 2: like five years later we'd be still going strong and
Speaker 2: consistent and who else?
Speaker 4: Honestly, just who else could I have done it with?
Speaker 4: Just I was a genius. I was you were that
Speaker 4: works to you.
Speaker 1: To deal with it was perfect timing. I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3: Well, and I feel like but it's it's it's just
Speaker 3: another platform, you know, and it's another way to reach people,
Speaker 3: and it just yeah, it fills me up and it
Speaker 3: sounds like it fills a lot of you guys up
Speaker 3: to and that brings me joy and I you know,
Speaker 3: we're ben a thing from this whole. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: y'all one's in Brown podcasts A shout out, thank y'all
Speaker 3: for sharing our podcast.
Speaker 4: We've been tagged in las last and lots of posts.
Speaker 3: Keep it up, Keep it up and challenge people, you know, like,
Speaker 3: oh you really want to support us?
Speaker 4: Can you shout us out? You know, I'm saying like
Speaker 4: people want to support, they want to reach and see
Speaker 4: who they know, you know, who represents a voice that's
Speaker 4: not often heard, and you know, tell them about yours,
Speaker 4: tell them about ours. This is the moment to call
Speaker 4: people out? How do we get off back onto me? Tiffany,
Speaker 4: congratulations on Queer Eye? What is next? Will you be
Speaker 4: on every other se I mean, are they going to
Speaker 4: add a financial segment? Because what could be more important
Speaker 4: to people's livelihoods than they're fighting?
Speaker 2: I mean, low key, they wanted me to do another episode,
Speaker 2: but it was Family Night, y'all know I was doing
Speaker 2: I don't know if I told you all that every
Speaker 2: other Wednesday we were doing like Family Night. So that
Speaker 2: way myself, Supergirls, Supermom, her mom, my husband, Superman that
Speaker 2: we could all like have dinner together because I really
Speaker 2: want a Supergirl to know that we're all one family,
Speaker 2: despite us moving and being in a new house.
Speaker 1: So it was that night and I was like, I
Speaker 1: could take literally any other time, and.
Speaker 2: They were like, no, that's the only time. And I
Speaker 2: had to make a decision. Do I forego family night?
Speaker 2: I know I hadn.
Speaker 4: Gone family night.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I did at first.
Speaker 2: No, I did at first, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I told them, I'm like I'll be there, and then
Speaker 2: I just thought about it. I'm like, girl, what are
Speaker 2: you really saying? Like what's important? You know, Like what
Speaker 2: are you really saying? You're saying Because here's the thing,
Speaker 2: opportunities will always be there for you, Tiffany, because you
Speaker 2: do the work, but you know these are this is
Speaker 2: an opportunity as well. Superman Mom had switched around her
Speaker 2: work schedule for us to meet, you know, because of
Speaker 2: course I asked.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, can we do a different
Speaker 1: day and she was like no.
Speaker 2: You know, I had already told my my job that
Speaker 2: I want to have these Wednesdays off and so I
Speaker 2: just I told them, I was like, literally, any other
Speaker 2: day I will cancel everything, but this Wednesday evening I cannot.
Speaker 2: And they were like, it's the only time we're taping.
Speaker 2: So it didn't happen, but hopefully they will have more segment,
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully, like I said, I am open now
Speaker 2: more than ever to a positive show. I'm not one
Speaker 2: for you know, I'm not here to make anyone feel bad.
Speaker 2: I'm not here to spread any negativity.
Speaker 1: I believe that, like.
Speaker 2: I'm the love child of mister Rogers and Harriet Tubman,
Speaker 2: so you know, like you gonna get free with loving kindness,
Speaker 2: and so yes, I'm open to that. I think, like
Speaker 2: that's really the next step is that I feel it,
Speaker 2: you know. I'm just like, I'm not gonna fight it anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm like, if it's if it's in the cards. I
Speaker 2: feel like there needs to be a new voice being
Speaker 2: heard and some new things being said, you know, because
Speaker 2: we can't just focus on debt freedom, we can't just
Speaker 2: focus on like what you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 2: there has to be an effort to growing wealth in
Speaker 2: the black and brown communities. When I here's the statistics
Speaker 2: that said the black community in the United States will
Speaker 2: be collectively bankrupt by twenty fifty. I mean, that's crazy,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, there has to be a descending voice
Speaker 2: that says, no, that's not going to be true. And
Speaker 2: here's why, yea, and why not open to it? Exactly?
Speaker 4: If not you, then who who?
Speaker 3: And it's not just I mean, obviously you're the budget
Speaker 3: needs to and you have such a big reach. But
Speaker 3: if you have knowledge, you've learned from our you've learned
Speaker 3: from our show about investing and building your wealth, take
Speaker 3: that to someone else, you know, tell a friend, to
Speaker 3: tell a friend, and you know, that's how liberal, that's
Speaker 3: how budget needs to grew. That's how the dream Cutters grew.
Speaker 3: It's about reaching behind you and pulling them up before you.
Speaker 3: And yes, for people of color, unfortunately, that's part of
Speaker 3: the burden that we carry. You know, you make it
Speaker 3: and then you want you you want to turn around
Speaker 3: and help people before you. I mean, you have to
Speaker 3: put your own life best on first, take care of yourself,
Speaker 3: but also acknowledge that maybe now people will help, but
Speaker 3: often it's it's us to help each other.
Speaker 4: And that's a beautiful it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 3: And again, it's the it's the knowledge, it's the it's
Speaker 3: the passing down of knowledge.
Speaker 2: That it's so much as given much is required, you know,
Speaker 2: like if you are fortunate to know a thing, you
Speaker 2: know and also to this is what here's the blessing
Speaker 2: in teaching.
Speaker 1: You know, when you teach, you learn twice.
Speaker 2: So the more you actually show somebody had a budget,
Speaker 2: how to save, how to invest, you are literally reinforcing
Speaker 2: that knowledge into yourself. So I I mean I have
Speaker 2: taught budgeting thousands of times. That's why I can budget
Speaker 2: with my eyes closed. Because every time I teach someone,
Speaker 2: I am reteaching myself. I am reconfirming that information in me.
Speaker 2: So if there's a there is there there's benefit to
Speaker 2: also showing someone how to do something. So just know
Speaker 2: that that there's a blessing in that too. That like, yeah,
Speaker 2: when you teach, when you teach, you learn twice.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And the last and really important thing is there
Speaker 3: is enough for everybody. The reason I'm able to treat
Speaker 3: Tiffany's victories as if they're like if I was on
Speaker 3: queer Eye in a fabulous blue pantsuit with a wrist
Speaker 3: full of green liverat or of Budgetiza Bengles is.
Speaker 4: That there's room for all of us to succeed.
Speaker 3: And I think what you see and why and especially
Speaker 3: why you see the proliferation of that goddamn hashtag All
Speaker 3: Lives Matter is people are worried that if we win,
Speaker 3: if you win, if someone else wins, it means that
Speaker 3: you have to lose.
Speaker 4: And that is so not true.
Speaker 3: It's the scarcity mindset that needs to be broken down,
Speaker 3: and we need to prove, we need to show that
Speaker 3: if you lift us up, imagine what more we can
Speaker 3: all do? You know, And it's again, it sounds cliche
Speaker 3: and it sounds corny, but that is the God's honest truth.
Speaker 3: And you need to believe that about your your self
Speaker 3: too and the people around you. You know, don't hoard
Speaker 3: your information, don't hoard what you've been given give, be
Speaker 3: generous with your knowledge, be generous with your love, be
Speaker 3: generous with your whatever you have to a certain extent,
Speaker 3: because it has a way of attracting it back to you.
Speaker 3: And I believe that emphatically, emphatically, and I just hope
Speaker 3: everyone starts to feel that way.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I want to shout out to Superman for
Speaker 2: not coming in the room. He was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get Samon burgers. He said if you leave the door,
Speaker 2: but I'll just come in.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bruh, who now?
Speaker 4: But I was burger.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, Remember when I take my podcast
Speaker 2: every creek matters?
Speaker 1: He said, got it? Five years later, Well.
Speaker 4: You're right, the whole damn show has pretty.
Speaker 1: Much got out Superman opening the door.
Speaker 3: What do we do now for Sorry for not taking questions.
Speaker 3: It's all my fault. It's my fault. We didn't two questions.
Speaker 4: We'll do the next week. We'll do double questions next week.
Speaker 1: Yes, we will.
Speaker 2: We'll do double questions because you guys have some awesome
Speaker 2: questions and so you can.
Speaker 1: You can tweet us.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I love when you tweet us, and I love
Speaker 2: when you tag both me and Mandy as well, so
Speaker 2: Brown and Bush and podcasts or not tweet us Instagram's
Speaker 2: Brown and BITCHI and podcasts on Instagram. But I love
Speaker 2: when you also tag Mandy with an eye money and
Speaker 2: the budgetisas so when you tag all three, it means
Speaker 2: we can all see it. Yeah, And I love it
Speaker 2: because I love reposting it and be like yay. And honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I love seeing our podcast cover picture.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look at me and Mandy. Look, it's so
Speaker 2: cute and I'm a little purple and blue. We just
Speaker 2: would Honestly, that was a day I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: Mandy's stotting on this picture, so.
Speaker 4: I would try to just photoshop my now hair on it.
Speaker 1: Oh your big hair, big hair, don't care.
Speaker 3: Homegirl was a different person five years ago than she
Speaker 3: is now. But it's fun to look back, and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, damn, we should have done a new picture
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 4: Maybe for a five year anniversary.
Speaker 3: We can. Maybe we'll just take pictures in different places
Speaker 3: and then photoshop them together.
Speaker 2: We can.
Speaker 3: Let's make uh, let's make technology work to our favorite Okay,
Speaker 3: you said you came with the whole list. We even
Speaker 3: got to your list of what to talk about.
Speaker 1: No, no, that's okay. Honestly we got to most of
Speaker 1: it there.
Speaker 2: But there is one I would say, if you're looking
Speaker 2: for something to like kind of be on or look at,
Speaker 2: there's this really great IG page wordy period talk w
Speaker 2: O R D y period talk t A l K.
Speaker 2: It's a young sister. And when I tell you, Mandy,
Speaker 2: not only is. She sharp, bright and intelligent. So she
Speaker 2: it's just a great space, especially if you're an ally
Speaker 2: to learn some of the quote unquote facts even told
Speaker 2: about black folks, especially in America our lives dot Com.
Speaker 2: She breaks down exactly how they are lies with the facts,
Speaker 2: with the true facts, but she.
Speaker 1: Does so in such a way she is hilarious.
Speaker 2: She's hilarious, She is funny, but she's also really informative,
Speaker 2: and I just encourage everyone to follow Wordy. I don't
Speaker 2: know her personally, but I saw one of her videos
Speaker 2: went viral and when I tell you, I was like
Speaker 2: rolling laughing, but I was also like, wow, that's so true.
Speaker 1: So w O r d Y talk t a l K.
Speaker 1: That's her ig and she's amazing.
Speaker 2: I encourage everyone who wants to learn about some of
Speaker 2: the systematic ways that African Americans have been just devalued
Speaker 2: in understanding, like the like how and why and how
Speaker 2: some of the things you've been told like black on
Speaker 2: black crime, How that's a lie and some of these
Speaker 2: other things that you've been told about Black America. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she really breaks them down and shows like why these
Speaker 2: things are just not true and some of them, some
Speaker 2: of these things are intentionally false to create this negative
Speaker 2: narrative that has that has made it okay to see
Speaker 2: dead black bodies on our timelines when you don't see
Speaker 2: anybody else that that being so so Yeah, wordy talk, hilarious,
Speaker 2: funny and informative.
Speaker 4: I love it. That's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just followed her just now. I'm ready to
Speaker 3: learn too. I've learned stuff that I don't know about.
Speaker 3: I learned that on my alma mater, they built one
Speaker 3: of our campus buildings on the graves of slaves and
Speaker 3: only discovered it when they went to renovate the building.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still learning to this day.
Speaker 3: And it's also something that I think for and I'm
Speaker 3: not even I'm not even going to pretend like I've
Speaker 3: been an outspoken BLM activist, like like like your friends
Speaker 3: have been, and out there every day, you know, you
Speaker 3: get caught up and Okay, I gotta I gotta put
Speaker 3: food on the table. I've got to make a life
Speaker 3: for myself. And sometimes if you spend every day drowning
Speaker 3: and like the the injustices.
Speaker 4: You will never move forward. It's such a balance.
Speaker 3: But the good thing now is that we don't have
Speaker 3: to share the burden alone, and I'm heartened by that.
Speaker 3: And I really encourage you guys to check out our
Speaker 3: show notes because there are some great resources there for
Speaker 3: yourself to do more and contribute to the movement, and
Speaker 3: also resources you can send instead of you know, hopping
Speaker 3: on the phone with friends.
Speaker 4: You know, we talk about what it's like to be
Speaker 4: the only black.
Speaker 3: Friend, hop on the phone and you know, or text
Speaker 3: them and be like, here are some great resources you
Speaker 3: can educate yourself. Let's do it together. It's it's really beautiful.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to sound like Pollyanna, but I
Speaker 3: think we just need a little a little lot of optimism,
Speaker 3: you know, we just need a little budgets done, queer eye,
Speaker 3: that's what we needed. Thank you, best wishes to you,
Speaker 3: my love, and I hope that when you launch your
Speaker 3: I don't know, is TV even a thing anymore?
Speaker 4: Your Hulu or your Netflix.
Speaker 1: You know whatever, that looks like, right.
Speaker 4: So exciting, so exciting, and you.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna be like, you can't get rid of me.
Speaker 4: I'm hit. I'm a tech all right, y'all?
Speaker 3: Be well, take care of yourselves. Take heart in the
Speaker 3: fact that people are helping share the load now it is.
Speaker 3: You don't have to do it all on your own.
Speaker 4: We're here for you.
Speaker 3: Reach out to us Brandonbision Podcast. You can also shoot
Speaker 3: us an email. Brandnabis Podcast at gmail dot com