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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot to tackle this morning. So

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Speaker 1: first of all, we've got updates for you. Of course,

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Speaker 1: out of Israel, we're asking the question this morning if

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Speaker 1: Israel is actually losing this war. They are a number

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Speaker 1: of analysts who are making that case, and this comes

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Speaker 1: as Israel's caught lying about casualties. And also a new

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Speaker 1: report has revealed that they use US supplied white phosphorus

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Speaker 1: in Lebanon, So we'll break all of that down for you. Also,

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Speaker 1: Zelenski is in town trying to secure additional aid that

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Speaker 1: looks increasingly in doubt. It's certainly done for this year,

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Speaker 4: Year, so we'll give you those updates. We also have a.

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Speaker 4: Discuss all the details.

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Speaker 3: See if we dropped dead, We've got ems on standby.

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Speaker 1: Griffin says he's ready with that. On taking a look

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Speaker 1: at some of the biggest lies that the US has

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Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, so let's go ahead and get to

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Speaker 1: the latest down of Israel. Go ahead and put this

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Speaker 1: Analysts is Daniel Levy, is the president of the US

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Speaker 3: A very complicated situation.

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Speaker 2: I know it might sound crazy, you know, the idea

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Speaker 3: And ultimately they were correct.

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Speaker 2: Courage to him for speaking up. The reason why all

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Speaker 2: With reservists of the IDF, and some of the numbers

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Speaker 3: The war is costing one hundred million dollars a.

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Speaker 2: A lot of that comes through from this person who's

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Speaker 2: some of them were foreigners, but a lot of them

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Speaker 2: were Iraqi too, and why well they became terrorist because

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Speaker 2: we were there, and it became a chicken in the

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Speaker 2: egg situation is to try and to fight them, and

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Speaker 2: I really believe that that is almost certain to be

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Speaker 2: the case here in Gaza. I mean absent basically two options.

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Speaker 2: You can full scale militarily occupied is it take hundreds

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Speaker 2: and hundreds of thousands of people and you're going to

446
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Speaker 2: lose people every single day to id's and all this

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Speaker 2: other way you work to a political solution, or you can.

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Speaker 3: Try and kill them all.

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Speaker 2: And neither really an actual option for the IDF or

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Speaker 2: from a realistic point of view. So I do think

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Speaker 2: they're in a big problem. I think they're much more

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Speaker 2: in a bind than a lot of their military backers

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Speaker 2: and propagandas here in the US are making them out

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Speaker 2: to baby.

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Speaker 1: There were two pieces in this analysis that really stood

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Speaker 1: out to me. One is what you just said, which

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Speaker 1: I just want to emphasize. It has never in history

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Speaker 1: worked to bomb the population into turning on their leadership.

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Speaker 4: It has the opposite effect.

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Speaker 1: We saw this in World War Two with the Germans

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Speaker 1: bombing of London. We saw this from our side bombing

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Speaker 1: German cities. We saw this in Va Vietnam. We see

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Speaker 1: it with Russia bambing Ukrainian cities. Okay, this idea that

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Speaker 1: again we've covered multiple times, so it is worth emphasizing

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Speaker 1: that their goal is to intentionally hit.

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Speaker 4: These quote unquote power targets.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about high rise apartment buildings, we're talking about homes,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about public infrastructure. And shock the civilian population

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Speaker 1: into turning on Hamas is fantasy. It will will have

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Speaker 1: and has already had the opposite effect. So that's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two and I had never seen this research before.

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Speaker 1: He is an expert on what leads people to become

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Speaker 1: terrorists and become jihadis. He says, most people who become

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Speaker 1: terrorists do so because their land is being taken away.

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Speaker 1: What ninety five percent of the suicide terrorists in my database,

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Speaker 1: and this is across religions, regions, grievances, etc. What ninety

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Speaker 1: five percent had in common is they were fighting back

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Speaker 1: against a military occupation that was controlling territory they considered

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Speaker 1: their homeland. He also goes on to say, in the

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Speaker 1: long run, the only way to defeat HAMAS is to

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Speaker 1: drive a political wedge between it and the Palestinian people.

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Speaker 1: Unilateral Israeli step signaling some kind of serious commitment to

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Speaker 1: a new future would change the framework and dynamics in.

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Speaker 4: The Israeli Palestine relationship.

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Speaker 1: Get Palestinian's a genuine alternative to simply sut supporting hamas

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Speaker 1: and supporting violence. If the end goal for Israel, which

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Speaker 1: is what it should be, is peace and security for

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Speaker 1: their own people, then they are going in the polar

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Speaker 1: opposite direction. They are failing to make their own people warsake.

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Speaker 1: Their people will face only additional heightened terrorist attacks and

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Speaker 1: insecurity if they continue in this direction.

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Speaker 4: I'm fraid, frankly, the damage has already done.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, that very might well be true.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's go on to what was uncovered

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Speaker 1: in this Washington Post report yesterday. We had received reports

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Speaker 1: of the potential use of white phosphorus in this conflict

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Speaker 1: by Israel in a number of places.

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Speaker 4: They have now confirmed.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen, that Israel used US

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Speaker 1: supplied white phosphorus and the place that they confirmed it

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Speaker 1: was in an attack in Lebanon. So this is a

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Speaker 1: civil rights rights group is saying this should be investigated

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Speaker 1: as a war crime.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: To give you some of the details here, there are

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Speaker 1: circumstances where white phosphorus can be used in warfare, but

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Speaker 1: it cannot be used against a civilian population. Is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be used as like a smoke screen, effectively where

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Speaker 1: it's not going to injure civilians. What they found were

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Speaker 1: the remnants of artillery rounds fired into a Lebanese town

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Speaker 1: near the border of Israel, which incinerated at least four homes.

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Speaker 1: The rounds, which eject felt wedges saturated with white phosphorus

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Speaker 1: that burns at high temperatures, produce billowing smoke to obscure

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Speaker 1: troop movements As they fall haphazardly over a wide area.

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Speaker 1: The contents can stick to this skin, causing potentially fatal

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Speaker 1: burns and respiratory damage. It's use near civilian areas can

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Speaker 1: be prohibited under international humanitarian law. What they track here

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Speaker 1: in talking to residents as well, is that Israel shell

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Speaker 1: the hell out of this town for hours and hours,

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Speaker 1: trapping people in their homes until they could escape the

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Speaker 1: next morning around seven am. Residents refer to that attack

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Speaker 1: as the Black Knight. These chemicals, if they're left in

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Speaker 1: the body, can damage internal organs, sometimes fatally, and they

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Speaker 1: also go on to say, which I think is noteworthy.

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Speaker 1: Unclear why the Israeli military would use these rounds at night,

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Speaker 1: because it's already dark. So if it's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: as some sort of smoke screen, you're not accomplishing anything.

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Speaker 1: Residents speculate that the phosphorus was meant to displace them

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Speaker 1: from the village and to clear the way for future

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Speaker 1: Israeli military activity in the area. So again, these are

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Speaker 1: US supplied US supplied white phosphorus used against civilians in

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Speaker 1: up and on. This is something that our own officials

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Speaker 1: have been asked about and sort of deflected and denied.

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Speaker 4: Now confirmed.

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Speaker 1: This had already been investigated by a number of human

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Speaker 1: rights groups, now confirmed by the Washington Posts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The Biden administration also now under scrutiny for this.

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Speaker 2: Let's going to put this up there on the screen,

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Speaker 2: because they actually used an emergency declaration. This is another

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Speaker 2: interesting little bureaucratic thing which shows you the immense power

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Speaker 2: of the executive and what we really.

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Speaker 3: Should all be trying to rein in.

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Speaker 2: The Biden administration invoked a power that they have as

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Speaker 2: the executive to send military arms if the United States

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Speaker 2: remains under imminent national security threat. So remember that is

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Speaker 2: what they invoked to supply tank shells to Israel. They

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Speaker 2: all they have to do is give a notification to

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Speaker 2: Congress to bypass the official arm sales. These are ones

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Speaker 2: that they could use on Ukraine. Theoretically, they could use

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Speaker 2: it anywhere around the world. Of course, they get away

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Speaker 2: with it because most people in Congress just support it,

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Speaker 2: or they don't support they supported it enough not to

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Speaker 2: do anything about it. And Crystal this really aligns with

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Speaker 2: the fact that the Biden administration here is caught in

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Speaker 2: a position where they both out of one side of

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Speaker 2: their mouth. Like just yesterday, John Kirby is like, well,

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Speaker 2: we're very concerned anytime somebody uses white phosphorus that we

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Speaker 2: provide to them, and at the same time is using

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Speaker 2: emergency National Security Law, which is created to protect American

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Speaker 2: citizens as one where we can supply tank ammunition to Israel.

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Speaker 2: It also just raises a question to me, do these

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Speaker 2: reelis actually need this tank ammunition or is this symbolic?

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Speaker 2: Both are pretty bad for Israel. One is you've only

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Speaker 2: been fighting for two months. You've only been fighting for

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Speaker 2: two months, you need tank Amo from the Big bad America.

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Speaker 3: What have you guys been doing? You know?

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Speaker 2: One of the things that they like to brag about

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Speaker 2: is how they are self sufficient in a way, and

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Speaker 2: that they're like, well, we've used your arms to either

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Speaker 2: purchase more from you or your money. We've invested in

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Speaker 2: our own defense supply chain, whereas the leaders in military technology.

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Speaker 2: You can't even fight two months in an urban combat situation.

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Speaker 2: You already need tank Amo. We're already supplying Ukraine. And it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: what's happening here? You've been basically a nation in war

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Speaker 2: for your entire existence for the last seventy five years.

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Speaker 3: So that's one.

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Speaker 2: Number two here also is about the way that the

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Speaker 2: administration can basically just bypass the will of the Democratic

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Speaker 2: American people through Congress, which is supposed to have all

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Speaker 2: power whenever it comes to war, to just supply basically

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Speaker 2: whatever they want to any long standing US ally, which

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Speaker 2: I think is crazy. I think if this is going

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Speaker 2: to happen, I think the Congress should and have had

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Speaker 2: to have voted for it. He does, though, demonstrate how

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Speaker 2: the difficult bind I think that the Biden administration finds

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Speaker 2: himself in where they're both I believe President Biden at

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Speaker 2: a Christmas party, a Hanuka party yesterday said quote, I

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Speaker 2: am a Zionist, so he's like standing strongly with Israel,

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Speaker 2: but then also is caught not only with his base,

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Speaker 2: but I think increasingly with the international community, especially with

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Speaker 2: the especially with the hypocrisy around Ukraine, because and we

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Speaker 2: went back and looked, of course the Ukrainians whenever the

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Speaker 2: Russians used white phosphorus on them, like this is war crime,

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Speaker 2: this is horrible, this is evidence that they're trying to

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Speaker 2: take us out.

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Speaker 3: They try to cover up that they use white phosphorus too.

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Speaker 2: Then you know, I remember also I covered a lot

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Speaker 2: of this at the time during the Syrian Civil War,

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Speaker 2: the Russians would use white phosphorus against civilians, which is horrible.

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Speaker 3: But you know that.

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Speaker 2: Obama, Biden and all these people had a lot to

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Speaker 2: say about that at the time. And now we're the

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Speaker 2: ones who are providing the white fosphus, Like what are

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Speaker 2: we doing here?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And get this, So, first of all, what Kirby said

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Speaker 1: in responses, he's an NSC spokesperson. We've seen the reports,

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Speaker 1: certainly concerned about that. We'll be asking questions to try

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Speaker 1: to learn a little bit more. Okay, imagine if the

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Speaker 1: report was about Russia, how they would be reacting to

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Speaker 1: the use of white phosphorus against civilians in a way

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Speaker 1: that appears to violate international law.

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Speaker 4: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two with that Guardian article details is not only

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Speaker 1: did they bypass Congress in terms of these tank munitions,

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Speaker 1: but they also cite unnamed officials as admitting than in

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Speaker 1: Israel's case, the US is not even following guidelines that

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Speaker 1: Biden himself established in February that require all arms transfers

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Speaker 1: to foreign governments to be subject to rigorous and continual

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Speaker 1: examination of the recipient's record on the Geneva Conventions and

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Speaker 1: other global norms.

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Speaker 4: We're conducting warfare.

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Speaker 1: We have provisions in place that are supposed to make

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Speaker 1: sure any weapons sales that go through, any arms transfers

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Speaker 1: that occur, that these things are not being used against civilians.

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Speaker 1: Why this report matters so much outside of the horror

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Speaker 1: of what is being done to these civilians, these are

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Speaker 1: US supplied white phosphorus being used, credible reports being used

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Speaker 1: against civilians in a way that is tantamount to a

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Speaker 1: war crime. And when it comes to Israel, just we're

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Speaker 1: not going to look, we're not going to investigate, We're

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Speaker 1: going to pretend this is not going to go going on.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a little bit of handra we're a little

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Speaker 1: bit concerned, maybe we'll ask some questions about it.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 1: All of the normal protocols that are typically in place,

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Speaker 1: which you're already probably too weak as it is, those

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Speaker 1: are out the window when it comes to Israel. And

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Speaker 1: I'm reminded of the fact early on in this conflict

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Speaker 1: you had a State Department official, Josh Paul, who resigned

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Speaker 1: over the fact that they were giving Israel carte blanche

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Speaker 1: and completely circumventing all of the normal checks and procedures

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Speaker 1: in terms of arms transfers. Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: what he had to say to Christian Amanpor.

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Speaker 6: What was so different that made you resign publicly?

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Speaker 7: Well, in all the arms transfers I've been a part

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Speaker 7: of discussing before, including to Israel, there has always been

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Speaker 7: space for discussion and debate. You can raise concerns about

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Speaker 7: how are these arms going to be used? Do we

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Speaker 7: have confidence that laws of war, laws of proportionality are

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Speaker 7: going to be respected, Do we have concerns about some

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Speaker 7: of the units that these arms might be going to,

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Speaker 7: and their track records. What was different here was that

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Speaker 7: there was no discussion, There was no space for that discussion.

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Speaker 7: There was simply an approach of essentially, the barn doors

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Speaker 7: are open, and that remains the case. You know, the

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Speaker 7: Wall Street Journal reported the last couple of days that

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Speaker 7: America has transferred over four thousand dumb bombs to Israel,

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Speaker 7: several thousand guidance kits, and forty five thousand artillery shells.

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Speaker 7: So the bundles remain open. And while I'm certainly encouraged

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Speaker 7: to hear what Vice President Harris said, what Secretary Austin

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Speaker 7: has said, for as long as those bundles remain open,

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Speaker 7: I don't know why Israel would take those warnings seriously.

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Speaker 1: So he's right, I don't know why Israel would take

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Speaker 1: those warnings seriously either. So keep in mind as we're

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Speaker 1: watching this devastation unfolded northern Gaza, now move to southern Gaza,

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Speaker 1: the huge civiliantol, the children who have been killed, all

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Speaker 1: of that. It's twenty two thousand US made bombs that

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Speaker 1: have been dropped on this population an incredibly short period

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Speaker 1: of time. Do you think that any of the Biden

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Speaker 1: administrations little like we're going to ask some tough questions

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Speaker 1: and leak into the press. Do you think anyone in

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Speaker 1: the world believes that believes they actually care. No, we

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Speaker 1: are directly complicit in everything the israelis doing on the

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Speaker 1: ground in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: That's another question I raised for Israel, which is from

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Speaker 2: a strategic point of view, why would you want to

681
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Speaker 2: put yourself in this position to be wholly reliant on

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Speaker 2: us to resupply you.

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Speaker 3: That's an incredible choke point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this again raises something that they brag all

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Speaker 2: the time about how they have they've well prepared about

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Speaker 2: their military, about how this how strong they are, and

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Speaker 2: from what I can tell, basically on this they're relying

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Speaker 2: on us not only so resupply their tanks, but basically

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Speaker 2: all of the precision guid ammunitions are sold to them

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Speaker 2: by the US. They don't even have a domestic they

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Speaker 2: don't have the same level of domestic arms that they

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Speaker 2: have once bragged about. This puts them in a position too,

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Speaker 2: where you're basically reliant on us and our domestic political

694
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Speaker 2: whims as to whether you're going to get it, and

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Speaker 2: you might get it now but what about five years

696
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Speaker 2: from now, whenever you're going to need it. This raises

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Speaker 2: only once again some of the excellent points made in

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Speaker 2: that Nation article about their own Basically, they have destroyed

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Speaker 2: the bipartisan consensus on Israel. It may not feel that way,

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Speaker 2: but the process began the uring the Iran deal. I

701
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Speaker 2: think today is a genuine breaking point. Yeah, for a

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Speaker 2: huge portion of the American public. Ten years from now,

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Speaker 2: the next Gaza war or the next whatever war that

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Speaker 2: they find themselves in.

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Speaker 3: It's not even even close to the same.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, imagine a new generation of democratic lawmakers. And

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Speaker 2: then you've got millennials and people who are our age

709
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Speaker 2: and younger, who are aging into their forties and their fifties.

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Speaker 2: These are well established, tax paying adults who usually vote

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Speaker 2: a lot. A lot of the boomers at that point

712
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Speaker 2: are either gone or fading off. I mean, that's one

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Speaker 2: of those where it's a totally changed domestic political situation.

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Speaker 1: And let's also talk about, like you know, crass naked

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Speaker 1: political calculations, which is what you know, the people in

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Speaker 1: this town.

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Speaker 4: What they care about. Very possible.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden loses reelect because of his unconditional support for Israel.

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Speaker 1: Previously all of the pressure had been on the other side.

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Speaker 1: But I mean we talked about yesterday Pullan of Michigan

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Speaker 1: that has him down by ten points, and a part

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Speaker 1: of that is no doubt attributable to discussed from young people,

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Speaker 1: from Arab Americans, from Muslim Americans for our complicity in

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Speaker 1: Israeli war crimes and atrocities in Gaza. And the last

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Speaker 1: piece that I wanted to highlight here just to always

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Speaker 1: keep the focus on the human beings who are trying

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Speaker 1: to live their lives, trying to survive right now under

728
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Speaker 1: complete siege, is you know, the bombs are just the

729
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Speaker 1: beginning of the pain and the heartache. Put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. The hunger war has started. This is

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Speaker 1: a report from the AP. A bag of flour now

732
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Speaker 1: goes for one hundred and twenty dollars in Gaza. There's

733
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Speaker 1: a black market for sugar. You can forget about eggs.

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Speaker 1: Thousands of people pounce on AID trucks when they arrive.

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Speaker 1: Crowds ransacked a warehouse where food had piled up before distribution.

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Speaker 1: There's also now mounting reports of illnesses that are running

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Speaker 1: rampant given the lack of food, lack of medicine, lack

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Speaker 1: of basic sanitation, lack of sewage. This is, you know,

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Speaker 1: completely predictable. Chaotic scenes they say, of sickness and filth

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Speaker 1: are unfolding at shelters in Rafa, bursting at the scenes.

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Speaker 1: The UN Humanitarian Office said Wednesday the poor sanitation had

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Speaker 1: led to rampant cases of scabies, life's diarrhea, of raising

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Speaker 1: fears more serious disease may soon spread. Aid workers have

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Speaker 1: reported outbreaks of the liver disease hepatitis A. And this

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Speaker 1: is all a direct result of the complete siege that

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Speaker 1: the two point two million residents of Gaza have been

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Speaker 1: under since the very beginning days of this war.

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Speaker 2: On there again the ancient like we said day day five,

749
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Speaker 2: six ten, twelve afterwards, two months, three months, what's that

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Speaker 2: going to look like? What about food? Who is going

751
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Speaker 2: to foot the bill? Are you now responsible? Who's going

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Speaker 2: to be in charge of distributing it? It's looking more

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Speaker 2: and more like total chaos, as already reports out of

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Speaker 2: a Gaza crystal of full blown looting, I mean Somalia

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Speaker 2: Mugadishu level looting of some of these aid convoys. That

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Speaker 2: leads to what warlords who are going to take control

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Speaker 2: or the IDF is going to take control.

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Speaker 3: I mean that none of this ends up in a

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Speaker 3: good situation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all of it really bad.

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Speaker 2: President Zelensky big Z himself is here on the ground

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Speaker 2: and here in Washington. He's been here since Monday, flying

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Speaker 2: from Argentina to attend the inauguration of the new president there.

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Speaker 2: And he gave an interesting speech, I think, which demonstrates

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Speaker 2: his complete lack of political skill and not lack of

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Speaker 2: knowledge about any of his so called opponents. Let's put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. So in his speech

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Speaker 2: that he gave yesterday to the National Defense College, speaking

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Speaker 2: to military leaders, but in attendance for several reporters, he says, quote,

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Speaker 2: if there's anyone inspired by unresolved issues on Capitol.

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Speaker 3: Hill, it is just Putin and his sick clique.

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Speaker 2: So let's really think and digest that Zelenski comes to Washington.

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Speaker 2: The sole people he needs to convince are Speaker Mike

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Speaker 2: Johnson and Senate Republicans to do what to drop their

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Speaker 2: insistent on their it has to be border security funding

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Speaker 2: if we're going to fund Ukraine, and his way of

777
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Speaker 2: doing that is not.

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Speaker 3: Here's why it's good for you. Here's what I can

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Speaker 3: do for you.

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Speaker 2: Here are the questions that Here are the answers to

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Speaker 2: the questions which you have asked me, which is what

782
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Speaker 2: is my plan for victory? What am I realistically going

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Speaker 2: to do with the sixty one billion? Instead, his plan

784
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Speaker 2: is to call them basically accomplices of Putin. That is

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Speaker 2: not going to go down well, I think with a

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Speaker 2: lot of the people who are in opposition, And just

787
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Speaker 2: to highlight this, we've got some of the plans about

788
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Speaker 2: what exactly he wants to do.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: His plan right now, Crystal from Axios and others, is

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Speaker 2: to basically try and emotionally blackmail the House of Representatives

792
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Speaker 2: and the Senate Republicans as the clock ticks.

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Speaker 3: Because the House is set.

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Speaker 2: The House and the Senate are both set to leave

795
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Speaker 2: at some time at the end of this week.

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Speaker 3: Thursday is done for the entire year.

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Speaker 2: Already, people on Capitol Hill and others say that there's

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Speaker 2: no way. So he's coming here effectively in a last

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Speaker 2: ditch effort. I also just saw his schedule for the day.

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Speaker 2: He's not meeting with the White House. First President Biden

801
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Speaker 2: alleged that he was inviting Zelensky to Washington.

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Speaker 3: For them to parlay No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: His entire bulk of his day, Crystal is spent on

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Speaker 2: Capitol Hill, starting actually only fifteen minutes from right now,

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Speaker 2: where he will be speak meeting with Speaker Johnson and

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Speaker 2: then with Senate Republicans. And I think the biggest mistake

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Speaker 2: that he seems to have internalized is he genuinely seems

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Speaker 2: to believe that Mitch McConnell is speaking for Republicans, because

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Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell is very supportive of Ukraine AID. He tried

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Speaker 2: to get the party to not insist on border security

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Speaker 2: funding to pass the stand Along supplemental and there was

812
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Speaker 2: a full blown revolt inside of the GOP caucus, and

813
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Speaker 2: we played even here on the show, even freaking Lindsey

814
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Speaker 2: Graham says, look, guys, like we.

815
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Speaker 3: Got to have some sort of border security funding. There's

816
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Speaker 3: no way.

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Speaker 2: He does not seem to actually understand the American political

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Speaker 2: system currently at all. I actually think him coming here

819
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Speaker 2: is a tremendous show weakness, because how does it make

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Speaker 2: you look if you come all the way to Washington

821
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Speaker 2: with hat in hand and they basically just leave town

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Speaker 2: and go home for Christmas break. Yeah, after that you

823
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Speaker 2: have done so. I think this is the final breaking

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Speaker 2: point for Selensky. I'm not saying he'll never get aid.

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Speaker 2: I would never put it past the establishment for fur

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Speaker 2: the rest of the year.

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Speaker 3: I think it's dead. I don't think he has a

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Speaker 3: chance in hell.

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Speaker 1: I mean to be honest with you, Ever since we

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Speaker 1: really had it confirmed that it was the US and

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Speaker 1: the UK that blocked that early peace deal and like

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Speaker 1: force them to continue fighting. And again, listen, there's no

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Speaker 1: guarantees of whether it would have come together, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. But I have a lot more empathy for

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Speaker 1: Zelenski's position because we did hang him out to dry,

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Speaker 1: you know, we did lead him along the garden path

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Speaker 1: and effectively say like we've got your back and you know,

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Speaker 1: say no to the peace deal, keep fighting. We're going

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Speaker 1: to be with you, brother. And then here he is desperate,

840
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Speaker 1: you know, low on manpower, low on supplies, and very

841
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Speaker 1: unlikely to be able to come back home with anything

842
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Speaker 1: to say for it. So you know, in a sense, I,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I have a lot more empathy for

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Speaker 1: their position than I did previously. Really understanding the way

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Speaker 1: that all of these things unfolded. I think it's disgraceful

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Speaker 1: what we've dragged the Ukrainians through. I think the amount

847
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Speaker 1: of death and destruction that has been wrought over these

848
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Speaker 1: past years, this past year, since the beginning of this

849
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Speaker 1: conflict is really you know, there's a lot of blood

850
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Speaker 1: on our hands for the way that we pushed them

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Speaker 1: to pursue this war.

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Speaker 4: So that's kind of how I'm looking at I.

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Speaker 3: Will parse a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any empathy for Zelensky. I think he's

855
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Speaker 2: basically been a blackmail artist from day one. I have

856
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Speaker 2: incredible empathy for the Ukrainian fighting man and for all

857
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Speaker 2: of those who laid there their lives because they took

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Speaker 2: Zelenski's orders. And we'll get to this a little bit

859
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Speaker 2: later in the show, but even they are like, hey man,

860
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Speaker 2: you got to start telling us the truth. All this

861
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Speaker 2: rose tinted speeches and all that that ain't going to cut.

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Speaker 3: It for us anymore. We got average age of forty three.

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Speaker 2: Just to give people an idea too of what the

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Speaker 2: dynamics are on Capitol Hill, here's Senator JD.

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Speaker 3: Vans.

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Speaker 2: He spoke a little bit about this yesterday on Zelenski

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Speaker 2: is the leading opponent of Ukraine aid in the Senate.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say. Look, Steve, it's gross.

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Speaker 8: You have a foreign leader coming to the United States

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Speaker 8: like we're some sort of geopolitical salvation army. That is

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Speaker 8: not the role of the United States here is to

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Speaker 8: hand out money to every beggar who comes into our

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Speaker 8: country and demands that we fund there foreign conflict.

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Speaker 5: This is back a second, Steve.

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Speaker 8: We have to understand that Republicans, for once in this

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Speaker 8: town have actually stood pretty firm the last couple of

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00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 8: weeks on the question of border security and said you're

878
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 8: not going to get another dime for Ukraine unless you

879
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 8: do something serious about the American southern border. So Zelensky

880
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 8: is parachuting into this domestic political debate about prioritizing our

881
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 8: own border. He's not here to tell us anything we

882
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 8: haven't heard before. He's here to badger and browbeat Speaker

883
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 8: Johnson and Senate Republicans into foregoing our negotiations on border

884
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 8: security in order to write him another blank check. I've

885
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 8: never seen anything like this. This's not Churchill coming in

886
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 8: the midst of world wars. This is literally a guy

887
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 8: begging for a handout and telling Republicans to stop negotiating

888
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 8: over your own border security. I'm offended by it. As

889
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 8: a United States senator, I'm offended by it. We should

890
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 8: be focused on our own boarder and be having that debate.

891
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 8: We don't need Zelenski to parachute and tell us how

892
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 8: to run our country.

893
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: As I understand it that a lot of Republicans are

894
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: not actually taken kindly to that. Senator ran policy that

895
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: he wouldn't even attend the Zolenski meeting. He's like, I

896
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: don't have anything to say to him. I have nothing

897
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: that I want to hear from him. I think it's

898
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: a big, big mistake that he's making, and just agree.

899
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: It's not sure what else he's supposed to do.

900
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: Well, Honestly, what Zelenski is supposed to do is instead

901
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: of he needs to realize the political reality and he

902
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: needs to make sure that he's not seen as basically

903
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 2: aligning himself completely with the Democratic Party. What he should

904
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: have done is stayed at home and allowed Mitch McConnell,

905
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: the Establishment and others to try and to slip Ukraine

906
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: aid at every turn for the next year, which don't

907
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: get they are going to do that. This debate is

908
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: not done. They are going to every writer, every government

909
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: funding bill. There's going to be some last ditch effort

910
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: to try and to slip something in there. He should

911
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: have had the knowledge that this was dead. JD actually

912
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: raised Churchill, which is a good example. Churchill privately loathed

913
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: the US Senate. I believe he once said that you

914
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 2: can always count on the American Senate should do the

915
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: right thing after they've exhausted every other option. He was

916
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: furious about len Lease, but he was incredibly grateful every

917
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: time he came to Washington. He always met with people

918
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. He understood the American political system. Maybe

919
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: because he's spent a lot more time here and he

920
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: himself was half Us, or he was born to an American.

921
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: I think Zelenski just has zero understanding the political system.

922
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: He seems to believe that MSNBC and the Atlantics speak

923
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: for America and that you know, all these neo cons

924
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: or whatever who will go on.

925
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: I don't agree with that.

926
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: It's to me, it's very clear from the fact that

927
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: he is showing up here now that he.

928
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: Realizes how we could position he's.

929
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: In and how much potential additional Ukrainian aid is on

930
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: the rocks, and the only thing he can think to

931
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: do is rather than just like staying in Ukraine and

932
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: hoping for the best topin Mitch comes through, is to

933
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: come here and try to reassert Ukrainian pre eminence in

934
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Speaker 1: terms of American foreign policy, because the obviously the American

935
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: foreign policy the landscape has completely shifted since October seventh.

936
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: The Ukrainians are completely on the back burner, and so

937
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: to me, I'm just I don't know that he has

938
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: a better hand to play. I think the best thing

939
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: he probably can do is to come here and meet

940
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: with the people who are sympathetic to him and just

941
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: remind them like, hey, you guys were supposed to be

942
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: backing us up, and remember we still have this righteous

943
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: cause fighting back against Russian imperialism and you know this

944
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: territorial land grab, so try to keep us front and center.

945
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that he has a better move that

946
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: he could really play.

947
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: Maybe you're right.

948
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: I just think that it puts him in a weaker

949
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 2: position to come here to advocate for it and to fail,

950
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: whereas I think he probably could have gotten something over

951
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: the next year if you'd buy it. Both are terrible,

952
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: I mean they're spread.

953
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: I mean they should be.

954
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: I mean they in many ways this too where you know,

955
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: you can't put a lot of all the blame here

956
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: on America.

957
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: A lot of this is their fault too.

958
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: They seem to believe and have ridiculous expectations and have

959
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 2: never decided to even change any of their public positioning, which,

960
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: as we hinted at, let's put this up there on

961
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: the screen. From the Financial Times, even people inside the

962
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: Ukraine quote former and current advisors saying that the lack

963
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: of realism in the president's messaging is undermining confidence and

964
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: that basically a lot of the Ukrainian people do not

965
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: want to hear that everything is moving forward and that

966
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: everything is rosy and that everything is going to be great,

967
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: and that they're going to achieve a total victory. And

968
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: while they may want that to happen, they also are

969
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: friends with enough people who have either been killed or

970
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: who know people who have been wounded, or know people

971
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: who are now getting drafted to understand at a basic

972
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: level that is just not the military reality on the ground.

973
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: I increasingly believe, and I've said it here, I don't

974
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: think that Zelenski's political leadership will last for all that

975
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: much longer, simply because he's an open war with his

976
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: own military commander. He's being his political opponents, Poroshenko and

977
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: the mayor of Kiev are outwardly coming and blasting him.

978
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: The military commander himself is going on the record to

979
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: the economists saying it's a stalemate and there's basically nothing

980
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 2: else that we can do. So much of the ground

981
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: that he was fighting from, like the United Country that's

982
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: moving forward, and even most of his legitimacy was under

983
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 2: the idea that he was the only one who could

984
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: convince the West to give him made a lot of

985
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 2: that is just not materializing now. So, yeah, you know,

986
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: a lot of his like recent raison detra i guess

987
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 2: if you will, just doesn't exist, especially if this aid

988
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: bill goes down.

989
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and they give this example that's kind

990
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: of devastating in this piece about the rose colored glasses

991
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: and how all of the videos that he puts on

992
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: or about how they're moving forward and they're winning and

993
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: they're gaining ground, et cetera. When people aren't stupid. And

994
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: this is also like not that in nineteen eighties, you

995
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: can't just control all of the information that's coming in

996
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: it's also a country is small enough that, yeah.

997
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: People are getting direct reports of.

998
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: What's actually going on in the front lines. But this

999
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: example they cite was Ukraine's frequent use of counter propaganda

1000
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: during the ten month battle for Bakmut. This mirrored Russian

1001
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: tactics and trying to maintain an image of success. Official

1002
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: channels on telegram and other social media brand in the

1003
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: fight with slogans such as fortiss Bakmut and Unbreakable Bachmut,

1004
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: which disappeared in the days before Russia declared victory in May.

1005
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: Zelenski never officially acknowledged Ukraine's retreat from Bachmut, and in

1006
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: June the Defense Ministry presented continued Ukrainian attacks from the

1007
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: edge of the town as evidence that it had not

1008
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: in fact lost the battle. So it's becoming impossible, I think,

1009
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: has become impossible to maintain this happy face of we're

1010
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: making gains, we're gaining ground, everything's going on in our direction,

1011
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: We're on the brink of victory any day now.

1012
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 4: And you know, when.

1013
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: Things are so sort of desperate for the Ukrainians in

1014
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: terms of manpower, in terms of you know, the failures

1015
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: of the counter offensive, in terms of being able to

1016
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: garner additional aid from US and other places around the world. Yeah,

1017
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: you have now this specter of people turning on each other,

1018
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: casting blame, going to the press, you know, criticizing Celensky

1019
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: in a way that we've never seen before. So certainly

1020
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: there is no doubt there is a lot of turmoil

1021
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: domestically in Ukraine.

1022
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right, and I do think that

1023
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: is really going to be a problem for him in

1024
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: the next months to come. And don't forget the winter.

1025
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 2: You know, it's getting cold and things are only getting worse.

1026
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: The Russians are actually firing i think cruise missiles and

1027
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: some of those for the very first time in a

1028
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: long time, and largely because they're trying to degrade as

1029
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: much of the infrastructure as possible and make it as

1030
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: painful on the civilian population before they get to the

1031
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: next fighting season. That's before there's even questions of USA.

1032
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 2: So I think there's a lot to be said here. Anyway,

1033
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: let's talk about Trump.

1034
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: So Jack Smith has asked the Supreme Court to get

1035
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: involved preemptively in one of the cases against Donald Trump,

1036
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: and the Supreme Court responding here pretty quickly put this

1037
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: up on the screen I'm gonna give you all of

1038
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: the details momentarily. Supreme Court has agreed to consider Jacksmith's

1039
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: petition for it to establish whether Donald Trump is immune

1040
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: from prosecution. Trump has until four on December twentieth to respond.

1041
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: Put the next piece up on the screen that gives

1042
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: the backstory here, So Special Counsel Jacksmith asks the Supreme

1043
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: Court on Monday to swiftly decide whether former President Donald

1044
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Trump is absolutely immune from federal prosecution for crimes allegedly

1045
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: committed while he was in office. This has to do

1046
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: with the election interference case, not the document's case. One

1047
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: of the arguments that the Trump team has been making is, Listen,

1048
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: these are things that were done when he's president of

1049
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: the United States, and we believe that means that he's immune.

1050
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: Jack Smith is arguing, Listen, we need to expedite this process.

1051
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: We need to circumvent we're gonna skip the appeals level.

1052
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: We want the Supreme Court to decide this right now,

1053
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: so that we can expedite this try and get some

1054
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: sort of a resolution in a timely fashion, you know,

1055
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: before we're in the height of the presidential election season

1056
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: and before there's a possibility of Donald Trump getting elected,

1057
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: So Sager, you know, incredibly important obviously in terms of

1058
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: the campaign, in terms of the timeline, because one of

1059
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: the biggest questions with all of these cases hasn't been

1060
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: so much will Trump be found guilty, but when will

1061
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: the trials unfold? When will will be the possibility of

1062
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: some sort of conviction. Is it going to conflict with

1063
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: the hid to presidential campaigning? Is it going to occur

1064
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: after November when Trump can just onn the federal charges,

1065
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, get his DOJ to drop the charges, et cetera.

1066
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: So a major move by Jack Smith here, which is

1067
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: unusual but not unprecedented, to jump up to the Supreme

1068
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: Court and try to get them to expedite what's happening.

1069
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 3: I actually think this is a good thing.

1070
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: And the reason why is it raises like these mega questions,

1071
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: and this is something if people go watch our initial

1072
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: coverage and all this, I have so many its. I

1073
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: was like, they're going to be a crazy amount of

1074
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: Supreme Court cases around presidential immunity because the main question

1075
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: at hand before the Court is around the immunity provisions

1076
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: of the president as previously established in DOJ policy and

1077
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: in some existing case laws. But none of it has

1078
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: ever happened before where president is actually being put on

1079
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: trial for deeds that allegedly occurred while he was the

1080
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: president of the United States, and not only that he

1081
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: was the outgoing president of the United States, actually as

1082
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: a successor had already been certified by the Congress, which

1083
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: raises just all kinds of crazy questions around presidential power

1084
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: about what it actually means. The immunity claim itself is

1085
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: that Trump has said not only that he denies the

1086
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: truth of any allegations in here, but that all of

1087
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: the underlying charges against him occurred during his sitting presidency,

1088
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: which shields him from any prosecution the initial immunity grounds.

1089
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: So the judge in the case has already rejected it.

1090
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: But this is like a democratic appointed judge. I mean,

1091
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: even put that aside, it's not the way that this

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Speaker 2: gets litigated. Is why it was immediately escalated and accepted

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Speaker 2: now by the Supreme Court. Then it raises even crazier

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Speaker 2: political questions about Trump's got three people who we have

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Speaker 2: pointed to the bench, So are they going to rule

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Speaker 2: against him? They have had no problem doing that previously.

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Speaker 2: But this also falls into big questions that go beyond Trump,

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Speaker 2: because people like Justice Alito and others Brett Kavanaugh as

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Speaker 2: well are big defenders of the idea of the Supreme

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Speaker 2: executive and executive power. This is something that they've ruled

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Speaker 2: about previously. Justice Thomas probably a little bit more libertarian.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he swing there as well, obviously, I think I

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Speaker 2: know all the liberals will go on there. Justice Roberts

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Speaker 2: as well, we don't actually know, because he's also a

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Speaker 2: big defender of kind of the unitary executive model and

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00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: what that looks like for presidential power. So there's some

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00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 2: actually some major constitutional questions that are at play before

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Speaker 2: the Court.

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Speaker 1: So just to make it really clear to people in

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Speaker 1: case it's not, what the Trump team is arguing is

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00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: basically that if you're present United States, you can do anything,

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00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: you can break any law, and you have complete and

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00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: total immunity forever. The analysis that Jack Smith is offering

1114
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Speaker 1: here is that you can't be charged while you are president,

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00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: but if you commit crimes during your tenure in office,

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00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: then after you are out of the presidency, you can

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00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: be charged and you can be found guilty for crimes

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Speaker 1: that you committed while you were president. You know, the

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00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: legal analysis that I saw for what it's worth, seem

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Speaker 1: to indicate that they they thought it was more likely

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Speaker 1: that Jacksmith would prevail on this question, and that you know,

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00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: Trump's assertion that listen to you're immune for absolutely anything

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Speaker 1: you do, even if it's on the periphery of your

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Speaker 1: powers as president the United States, You're good to go

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Speaker 1: for the rest of your life, that that was likely

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Speaker 1: to be rejected. The bigger question, again was the timeline.

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Speaker 1: Will the Supreme Court take this up when this is

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Speaker 1: you know, would be highly unusual for them to do so,

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Speaker 1: or are they going to let the appeals process play

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Speaker 1: out and go through the normal sort of chain of

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Speaker 1: command here in terms of the US judiciary, which of

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Speaker 1: course would take a much longer period of time. And

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Speaker 1: this is the Trump team's strategy. Their strategy is to

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Speaker 1: delay as much as they possibly can, to try to

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Speaker 1: push things out to ideally after the election has already happened.

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Speaker 1: And so Jack Smith coming in here to try to

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Speaker 1: short circuit that potential direction of their you know, of

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Speaker 1: what they're doing here, just a little bit of historical background.

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Speaker 1: They write that the Supreme Court rarely moves with the

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Speaker 1: speed that Smith is proposing here. But there is president

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Speaker 1: for doing so in the nineteen seventy four case involving

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon in a subpoena for tape recordings issue during

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Speaker 1: the Watergate investigation. The Supreme Court granted the government's request

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Speaker 1: to resolve the dispute one week after it was filed

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Speaker 1: and issued a decision less than two months later. I

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00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: read another analysis that said this move of jumping over

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Speaker 1: the appeals Court and going straight to the US Supreme

1148
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: Court has been very rare in history, but actually has

1149
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Speaker 1: been used more frequently. Believe the number was like nineteen

1150
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Speaker 1: times over the past several years. So it's become a

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Speaker 1: little bit more commonplace and interesting that the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: has agreed very quickly to consider this so very noteworthy.

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Speaker 1: This is probably, you know, one of the biggest political

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Speaker 1: stories in the country, hanging over whatever is going to

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Speaker 1: happen in twenty twenty four, and really the timeline is

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Speaker 1: kind of the key piece here.

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Speaker 4: Also, another reminder.

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Speaker 1: Of Trump's dominance in the Republican primary currently came yesterday

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Speaker 1: in a new to Mooin registered pole.

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Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen. De Moin.

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Speaker 1: Registered poles are considered, you know, sort of like the

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00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: best poll of Iowa and of potential caucus goers. They

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Speaker 1: now find Donald Trump with a majority, an outright majority,

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Speaker 1: fifty one percent in the state of Iowa. This is

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Speaker 1: an incremental improvement from their last poll. They find DeSantis

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Speaker 1: hanging on to the number two slot at nineteen percent,

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Speaker 1: nikkiy Haley in third at sixteen percent, the VIK is

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Speaker 1: at five, Chris Christi at four. So that is where

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Speaker 1: things stand today, and Sager, one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I took note of here is, first of.

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Speaker 4: All, Nicky Haley is struggling to grow beyond.

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Speaker 1: This point because a number of voters see her as

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Speaker 1: like too moderate and sort of like too critical of Trump.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I take note of is there's always

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Speaker 1: been this theory of, oh, we need to consolidate the

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Speaker 1: Republican field. As people drop out, then there a one

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Speaker 1: Trump alternative could emerge. Guess who benefited most from people

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Speaker 1: dropping out of the.

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Speaker 4: Race was Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Donald Trump is benefiting the most as people drop

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Speaker 1: out of the race, because that analysis relies on a

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Speaker 1: fantasy world in which you know, there's this majority of

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Speaker 1: the Republican coalition looking for Trump alternatives. No people who

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Speaker 1: are backing Tim Scott or others. Apparently many of them

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Speaker 1: their second choice was Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: So here we are.

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Speaker 2: Also, what was really noteworthy to me is that three

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Speaker 2: quarters of the Republican fields a Republican caucus goer, say

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Speaker 2: that Trump can defeat Biden despite his legal challenges. And

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Speaker 2: you know what, I think they're right. I actually think

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Speaker 2: that they're one hundred percent right. We had some of

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Speaker 2: that polling that we covered yesterday which showed that it

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Speaker 2: would have a slight impact on the way that people voted.

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Speaker 3: Look, nobody knows for sure until it actually Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So nobody can really nobody can think about what will

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Speaker 2: happen until it really does. But you know, you can

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Speaker 2: presuppose it a little bit in terms of how would

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Speaker 2: it impact your vote, and the vast majority of people,

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Speaker 2: or at least independence and others, it's not going to

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Speaker 2: have such a massive impact on your vote. I think

1201
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: that Biden is under so much. I think Biden is

1202
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 2: underwater in so many ways, more so than the legal problems,

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00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: that it just dwarfs everything else. So, for example, Crystal,

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00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: I was looking yesterday in the crosstabs of that Wall

1205
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 2: Street Journal pool. This was highlighted by Josh Crossauer. If

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00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 2: you ask people did Biden's policies help you or hurt you?

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00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: Fifty four percent say they hurt me. Only twenty some

1208
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: percent say that they helped you. If you ask them

1209
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: about Trump, it's actually flipped.

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Speaker 3: It's not an.

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Speaker 2: Overall majority, but it's this minority who say hurt, majority

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: who say or plurality who say helped.

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Speaker 3: How can you overcome that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just like the ultimate test, especially when

1215
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: you've got this mirror image of these two candidates. I

1216
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: think Trump benefits the most from I wouldn't call it

1217
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: rose colored glass syndrome. More just he was president when

1218
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: it wasn't COVID, and post COVID, shit's gone bad and

1219
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: you've got high gas, you've got an international global crisis.

1220
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Speaker 2: Some of that he was responsiblere in twenty nineteen, some

1221
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: of it he's not. Biden is definitely a casualty of

1222
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve and of COVID policy. Some of it

1223
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 2: is the own making in terms of vaccines and masks

1224
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: and all that other stuff that he decided to do

1225
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. But nonetheless, put the two times

1226
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Speaker 2: together and Biden Trump can ask the most basic question,

1227
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: would you rather live in twenty nineteen or would you

1228
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: rather live today? Most people are going to say twenty nineteen.

1229
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: That's what the vast majority of people want to return to,

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00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: inflation wise, price wise, life wise. That he's got a

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Speaker 2: lot going for him. From a structural advantage point.

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Speaker 1: Of view, Trump has never been in a stronger position

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00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: to win in his previous two races than he is now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just to put yourself back in the twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen polling and in the twenty twenty polling, Remember it

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Speaker 1: had him down consistently by big numbers in some of

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Speaker 1: these states. Now you got him up by double digits

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Speaker 1: in Michigana state that wasn't all that close last time around.

1239
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: You cannot look at this landscape and think that it

1240
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: is anything but a catastrophe for Joe Biden. Now what

1241
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: they're betting on is these court cases. They're betting on

1242
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, Trump's disposition and people being reminded that this

1243
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: man is like chaotic, chaotic asshole. They're hoping that abortion

1244
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: continues to be a dominant force in politics. And what

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01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: they would point to is listen, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: same analysis held in the you know, anticipation of the

1247
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: red wave in the last midterms, it didn't come through.

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Speaker 1: People were still they were very upset about the economy,

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01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: They were not happy with Biden, they were not happy

1250
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: with his leadership.

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Speaker 4: His approval rating.

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Speaker 1: Was very low, and nevertheless Democrats overcame historical norms in

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01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: terms of midterm election. It was a very disappointing night

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Speaker 1: fe or Republicans. They would also point to special elections

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01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: that we've had where Democrats have been consistently outperforming what

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Speaker 1: the polls have expected them to do. So that's what

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01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: they would say. But I think, frankly, it's cope. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can't look at these economic numbers. You can't look

1259
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: at the head to head numbers and think that this

1260
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Speaker 1: is you know that this is going well for the

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01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: Biden team. And the other piece of this is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Biden is not capable of really campaigning. He's not campaigning.

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Speaker 1: They really aren't even building out campaign operations in these states.

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Speaker 1: Saw an article about that about how they're way behind

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Speaker 1: even just organizationally in terms of their campaign apparatus. He's

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Speaker 1: not able to effectively debate, he's not able to effectively communicate,

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Speaker 1: he's not able to effectively go out and do rallies

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01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: and really persuade people that he's got the vigor for

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Speaker 1: another four years and a plan and an agenda that they,

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Speaker 1: you know, may have some interest in. So I think there,

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Speaker 1: I think they're in a terrible position. And when you

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Speaker 1: add the third party candidates into the mix, it just

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01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: gets even.

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Speaker 3: More Die check this out, just more I pulled up.

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Speaker 2: Trump has double digit leads on handling the economy, inflation, crime,

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Speaker 2: securing the border, Ukraine War, Israel conflict. Biden has a

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Speaker 2: double digit lead on only one.

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Speaker 3: Issue, abortion. Well, I mean, if I were him, that's

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Speaker 3: basically all I would be doing.

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Speaker 2: And what Sean Trendy over at RCP highlights is that

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01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: while Biden has a single digit lead on healthcare and

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Speaker 2: on social Security, Democrats are supposed to have double digit.

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Speaker 3: Leads on those.

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Speaker 2: So even in the places where he's beating Trump, supposedly

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Speaker 2: he's not beating him by the margin that you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to just as a baseline generic Democrat in this race.

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Speaker 3: So will abortion save his ass? Actually?

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's one of those the craziest part of American politics.

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Speaker 1: We covered that Texas case yesterday of the mother of

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Speaker 1: two who was going through a process to try to

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Speaker 1: get an abortion for the baby she's caring now, who

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Speaker 1: has a fatal defact too, is expected only days outside

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Speaker 1: of the womb. Two updates for you on that. And

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Speaker 1: again this was in the state of Texas. Number one,

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Speaker 1: she decided she's going to go out of state to

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Speaker 1: have the abortion, and she's suffering massive health impacts also

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Speaker 1: of carrying this pregnancy, which she.

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Speaker 4: Would love to have a healthy baby.

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Speaker 2: Girl.

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Speaker 1: This isn't that she doesn't want children, it's that this

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Speaker 1: particular baby is unable to live. So she decided to

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Speaker 1: go out of state. At the same time, the Texas

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled against her. So it shows you how

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Speaker 1: even in this extraordinary circumstance where she knows the baby

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Speaker 1: is not going to survive, they would force her to

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Speaker 1: carry it to term. And those are the sorts of

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Speaker 1: stories that are unfolding and sorts of court cases that

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01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: are unfolding day after day after day that Trump is

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01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: going to have to grapple with that he hasn't really

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01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: had to grapple with. And it ties into a whole

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: picture of him and the Republican Party as extremists where

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, and this is again this is the

1313
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: democratic case. Well, you may not be happy with me

1314
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: on any number of issues, but these people are crazy

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: and so we can't put them back into power. And look,

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01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: it has worked pretty well in these certainly in these

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: midterm elections, in the special elections. It has been a

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Speaker 1: pretty compelling case. So you can't just dismiss it totally

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Speaker 1: out of hand.

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Speaker 2: I think you are absolutely right. So look, we'll cover

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01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: everybody what happens. He's got until he's only got eight

1322
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: days Trump to give his response to the Supreme Court.

1323
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 2: We theoretically could have a ruling by the end of

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01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: the year, which is nuts, and that would be it.

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Speaker 3: Boom, We're going to trial.

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01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 2: So the days for trial look closer and closer, I think,

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01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: although if the Supreme Court rules the other way, that

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Speaker 2: would be even grazier.

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Speaker 1: So we really have no idea, that's my idea, but

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Speaker 1: definitely something to keep to waking, keep watching.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to housing.

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Speaker 2: Obviously an issue we know that so many of you

1333
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: are fascinated by and really affected by. If you were

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Speaker 2: to again ask me why people hate the economy so

1335
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: much today, this has got to be the most central

1336
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: story and nobody really talks about it. We did at

1337
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: least get one question about it at the GotoP debate

1338
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: responded to an idiotic.

1339
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 4: Fashion line answer.

1340
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: We will move past that and just at least give

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01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: people credit for asking it. But there are some new

1342
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Speaker 2: charts here which highlight a terrible reality. The math for

1343
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: buying a house no longer works. It's one of the

1344
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: biggest flip I guess you could say in almost fifteen

1345
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: twenty years since the great recession of two thousand and seven.

1346
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 2: So let's put this up there on the screen. We've

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01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: got a lot of these that show you that the

1348
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: cost now of an average monthly new home payment is

1349
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: now almost one thousand dollars dollars higher than the average

1350
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: monthly new lease payment. Whereas the math on that largely

1351
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,479
Speaker 2: worked in your favor for buying a house for more

1352
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: than a decade twenty ten onward in a lower interest

1353
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: rate environment. But with the massive spike that everybody saw

1354
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: from those new monthly home payments with these interest rates,

1355
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 2: you makes it so that it doesn't make a whole

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Speaker 2: lot of financial sense.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The reason why that's bad is twofold. Obviously, owning a home,

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01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 2: especially your first home, is usually the first path that

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01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: you have to net worth that actually will set you

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Speaker 2: up for retirement and intergenerational wealth.

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Speaker 3: Two.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you have it make more sense to rent. That

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01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: gives all the leverage in the world to the people

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Speaker 2: who are the landlords. And we can see this in

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01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 2: some of the other prices that we have access to

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Speaker 2: in some of these other charts, if we want to

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Speaker 2: go ahead to the next one. For example, the average

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01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 2: rate on the thirty year fixed mortgage has now skyrocketed

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01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: to between six and ten percent. Now, that doesn't sound

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01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: like a lot to people who are alive in the

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, but when you pair it with the median

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01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: sale price at a literal all time high four hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for the median sale price. On top of that,

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Speaker 2: it's actually over half a million for people who live

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01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: in a metro area. You're at a point where even

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01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: coming up with the downpayment cash seems like a nearly

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 2: impossible task. And then having to keep up with mortgage payments,

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: which are in some cases with interest, going to be

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Speaker 2: more than your actual paycheck.

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Speaker 3: Why what are you supposed to do? Right now?

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Speaker 2: They have crystal the total cost of a mortgage for

1383
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: a four hundred thousand dollars home at different interest rates.

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01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the difference right now is that for a

1385
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars home at three percent, the overall

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: cost with interest leaves you roughly shy of half a

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01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 2: million dollars, whereas today with the eight percent interest rate

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01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: or even the five percent interest rate, you are way

1389
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Speaker 2: past that half a million. You're getting into the eight

1390
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars territory of the amount of interest that

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01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: you're paying. So then think of all two about you

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01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: have to the house has to appreciate more than what

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01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: like forty percent or whatever over the value by the

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Speaker 2: time you pay it for.

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Speaker 3: You to even make any money on the damn house.

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01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: So at like every level to buy, to keep, and

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01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: to sell, we're in a bad market such that people

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01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: are probably more trapped in housing and from housing scenarios

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Speaker 2: than ever before. This is a terrible impact on the

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Speaker 2: overall economy and it's really like shrinking upward mobility for

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01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: an entire generation. I think, especially people who are between

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01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 2: thirty and thirty five, people who would traditionally have bought

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: their first home starter home type situation with one kid,

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01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: maybe two kids, and would have leveled up after that. Yeah,

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01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: you've got people who we either did that and are

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01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: not locked in. Maybe they don't have any more kids

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01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: because of that, maybe they're driving longer commutes, you know,

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01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: all kinds of things. It really freezes people, I think,

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,919
Speaker 2: at a phrase in their life and it's just so frustrating.

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine working your whole life almost a decade,

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01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: you know, if you're elder millennial, and then you get

1412
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 2: to a point where you found you you planned the

1413
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 2: entire time, you're going to be ready, and now you

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: can't do it. Yeah, you can see all of it

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01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 2: right here in the data.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this show's the median age of home buyers, which

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Speaker 1: is now up to thirty six or thirty five years old.

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Speaker 1: Only a decade ago it was thirty years old. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's a really significant difference. Are you, you know,

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Speaker 1: heading into your thirties or are you heading out of

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Speaker 1: your thirties when you're able to aspirationally buy a home.

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Speaker 1: Some of the numbers in here were pretty shocking to me,

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01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: even though we've been covering this a lot. They found

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01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: that before the FED started raising rates, a person with

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Speaker 1: a monthly housing budget of two thousand dollars could have

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,839
Speaker 1: bought a home value at more than four hundred thousand dollar. Today,

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01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: that same buyer would need a home valued at two

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01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five thousand dollars or less. How many

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Speaker 1: homes in your town go for less than two hundred

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01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: ninety five thousand dollars, not a lot, And there is

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01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: so little supply on the market, especially of quote unquote

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: starter homes or homes that would be affordable to you know,

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01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,799
Speaker 1: I mean, this would take a significant amount of income

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01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: just to be able to afford this. So it really

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01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: is an extraordinary landscape. And to tie it in with

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Speaker 1: the political conversation that we've been having, if I was Biden, not.

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Speaker 4: Only would I be leaning into abortion.

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01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: This is what I would be talking about relentlessly. It

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01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: is such an undercovered issue. It gets so little focus

1440
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 1: and attention, and it causes pain at every level of society.

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01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there is almost no one who isn't impacted

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: by the basic ability to afford shelter, especially in certain cities.

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01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: You know, some of the numbers of renting versus buying

1444
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 1: in major metros, they found that the premium is one

1445
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five percent more to afford a house

1446
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: payment in cities like Seattle, Austin, and several cities in California.

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01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 1: So it's even way worse in a lot of places

1448
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 1: in the country than you know, the overall numbers. There

1449
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: is a little bit of movement in Congress, or at

1450
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: least some ideas that are beginning to be formulated. And again,

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 1: these are things that I would lean into like crazy

1452
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: if I was Biden, because I think it would put

1453
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: Trump in a very difficult situation, especially being the real

1454
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: estate developer, being very cozy with you know, hedge funders

1455
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: and carrying water for them while he was President of

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Speaker 1: the United States.

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01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 4: Put this up on the screen.

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01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: There's new legislation that Democrats in Congress have introduced, both

1459
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: in the House and the Senate that would ban hedge

1460
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: funds from buying and owning single family homes in the US.

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01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: It will require them to manage funds pulled to sell

1462
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: off all the single family homes that they own over

1463
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: a ten year period, would eventually prohibit those companies from

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: owning those single family homes at all. During the decade

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01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: long phase out period. It would impost to tax penalties

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01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: with the proceeds reserved for down payment assistance for individuals

1467
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: looking to buy homes from corporate owners. So it would

1468
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: basically get Wall Street out of speculating on single family homes.

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: We've covered here extensively. How you know, this is a

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Speaker 1: very uneven phenomenon, But there are certain cities and certain

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01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: neighborhoods in America where the permanent capital coming in and

1472
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Speaker 1: buying up entire neighborhoods, really targeting the more affordable housing

1473
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: areas in major metro areas and making it possible for

1474
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: people to be able to buy homes in that area.

1475
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: Companies that are trying to turn themselves into America's landlord,

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: and this has had a major impact both in terms

1477
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: of the housing stock that's for sale for just regular

1478
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: people and also in terms of the prices in those areas.

1479
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: So this would go directly after that.

1480
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 4: I'm all for it.

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01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:52,879
Speaker 1: There's another piece of legislation that would require corporate owners

1482
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: of more than seventy five single family homes, so sort

1483
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 1: of like larger landlords, to pay an annual fee of

1484
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars per home into a housing trust fun

1485
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: to be used as down payment assistance for families. Because Sager,

1486
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: as you rightly identify. One of the big problems now

1487
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: is people being able to have enough cash upfront to

1488
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: be able to compete in the market and be able

1489
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: to secure housing. So it's not just about affording that

1490
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 1: monthly payment. It's obviously being able to afford that down payment.

1491
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: And so both of these pieces of legislation would try

1492
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: to provide some funds to give people a boost in

1493
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: that area as well.

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01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I mean, look, I hope that some of

1495
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: this stuff goes through. This is arguably the single most

1496
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 2: important thing. I know that there are some metropolitan areas

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01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: which have down payment assistance. It has a limited track record,

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01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 2: largely because those exist in areas where the property values

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01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: are already so DC for example, they have a one

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Speaker 2: I think it can go up to like seventy thousand dollars,

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01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: which of course is.

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: A lot of money.

1503
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's one of those where if you're trying

1504
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: to buy a house is one point two million dollars,

1505
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: it's not going to and you.

1506
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: Got investors coming in all cash, as.

1507
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: You've got people who are not even investors.

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01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 2: Another problem I often see and speaking to people, especially

1509
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: living in California and in New York and Miami as well.

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01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,879
Speaker 2: The amount of foreign capital. There's really rich hedge funders,

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01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 2: people from all over the world. People forget California and

1512
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 2: New York, Miami. These are some of the most desirable

1513
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: real estate, not in America but the whole world. Because

1514
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: you have access to the US legal system. It's a

1515
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 2: great place to park cash. But it increases the property values.

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01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: It makes it very difficult for a lot of local

1517
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: residents to be able to buy in. So structurally, I

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01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 2: think there were things that are really not looking good.

1519
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: Housing is becoming effectively a luxury good, which I think

1520
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: is one of the worst developments that we could have

1521
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 2: in our modern economy, and yet nobody's talking about it,

1522
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 2: and very few are actually trying to do.

1523
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 3: Anything about it.

1524
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1525
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean, even these bills, which I fully support, I

1526
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 1: think they'd be good. You know, this would nibble around

1527
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: the edges.

1528
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1529
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: You really need a multi pronger. You've got one big things.

1530
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: You've got to surge a huge construction boom of more

1531
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: affordable units both to rent and to buy. I mean,

1532
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: that's a big piece of the puzzle here. But to

1533
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: get Wall Street out of speculating on housing, which you

1534
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 1: know housing should be sheltered for people to live in,

1535
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 1: et cetera. I think that would be I think it

1536
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: would be huge. I think it would be very difficult

1537
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: to accomplish because you would have massive the lobbying, moneyed

1538
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: interests push back on this idea. But again, if Biden

1539
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: was able to take up this mantle and really lean

1540
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: into it, I do think it would put Republicans and

1541
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: Donald Trump in particular in a very difficult spot. So

1542
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: we'll see if they have two brain cells to rup

1543
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: together to actually get their act together.

1544
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 4: On this one.

1545
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: Not going to take that bet now.

1546
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 2: In much less serious news, but equally very important according

1547
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: to some is the Panera lemonade and the controversy around it.

1548
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: So Chrystal and I have actually procured these lemonades. We

1549
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 2: will give you the news before we try them live

1550
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: on the air. Neitherus have ever tried it before. Let's

1551
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

1552
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: There are currently two lawsuits that Panera is facing for

1553
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: its highly caffeinated charge lemonade, blamed for two separate debts.

1554
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 2: One gentleman, Dennis Brown, drank three charged lemonades from a

1555
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 2: local Panera on October ninth and suffered a fatal cardiac arrest.

1556
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 2: Sadly actually had an unspecified chromosomal deficiency disorder and a

1557
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 2: develop mental delay. He actually lived independently and he would

1558
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 2: often stop at Panera Bread after the shift. The legal

1559
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 2: complaint says that because he had high blood pressure, he

1560
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,879
Speaker 2: did not consume energy drinks. The lawsuit that was filed

1561
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 2: on behalf of his family for Panera alleges that he

1562
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,919
Speaker 2: drank three of these charged lemonades and then less Sadly suffered.

1563
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 3: Another lawsuit, which was first.

1564
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: Reported, called the beverage quote a dangerous energy drink and

1565
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,839
Speaker 2: argues that Panera has failed to appropriately warn consumers about

1566
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: its ingredients, which include the stimulant guaron extract.

1567
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 3: It's a common ingredient in many energy drinks.

1568
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not one hundred percent sure if this is fair, Crystal,

1569
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 2: because Panera, in its advertising has advertised said lemonade as

1570
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 2: quote plant based and clean, with as much caffeine as

1571
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: our dark roast coffee. Now, let's be clear here, though,

1572
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 2: it has a lot more caffeine than met dark roast coffee,

1573
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: unless you're talking about the biggest size like we have

1574
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 2: in front of us and in fact, describing it as

1575
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: clean maybe one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

1576
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: If you want to see what's actually in this thing,

1577
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 2: and we have some of the ingredients, please put it

1578
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: up there. Five hundred and thirty calories in this drink, one.

1579
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: Hundred and thirty grams of sugar. That is more carbohydrates

1580
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 3: than I eat in like three days. I mean, what

1581
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 3: is that? Like three cookies, like three jumbo.

1582
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 4: Is quite a bit worse than soccer, Okay, but.

1583
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: Even then, that's like three chocolate chip cookies.

1584
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: Like that is a crazy amount of sugar.

1585
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: And then three hundred and not three hundred and ninety

1586
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 2: milligrams of caffeine. Now I get it. I think it

1587
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 2: does certainly sound like a lot. But if we think

1588
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: about this, let's look at like a monster energy drink.

1589
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:54,759
Speaker 2: One of my favorite energy drinks is the Black Rifle coffee,

1590
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 2: the three hundred milligram the espress our drink. We've had

1591
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: them here on the air before, courtesy of Evan Hayfer.

1592
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 2: By the way, out to my man, Evan, those got

1593
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 2: three hundred milligrams of caffeine. And so there's a big

1594
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: I think, like witch hunt right now. It's become a

1595
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: big meme to try and get these things banned where. Look,

1596
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: I think it's tragic that this man suffered a cardiac arrest.

1597
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: That said, like, people are adults, and if you can

1598
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 2: walk into a seven to eleven in this country and

1599
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 2: buy two monsters, then why can't you walk into a

1600
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: Panera and buy this big gas drink with three ninety

1601
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: milligrams and even one hundred and thirty grams of sugar.

1602
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 2: Look ice gross, There's no way I'll be drinking this

1603
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 2: whole thing because I'm not going to drink that amount

1604
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: of sugar.

1605
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 3: But people drink that amount in Coca Cola every single day.

1606
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: Actually, arguably it's way worse for you than way worse

1607
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: for you to drink that amount of sugar. Coca and

1608
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 2: it used to drink that amount of caffeine.

1609
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

1610
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: I just looked it up. A can of coke I

1611
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: think has thirty nine grams of sugar.

1612
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: You need like four.

1613
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a lot of people do that, A

1614
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: lot of coke to match that amount of sugar. I mean, listen,

1615
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: my heartbreaks for these people.

1616
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel about it. Lois like, don't get me wrong.

1617
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess what I'm looking at is is is

1618
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: this really Panera's fault or is this like a regulatory issue,

1619
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: because I don't think there's any mandatory requirements that you

1620
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: put extra warnings on, you know, super caffeinated drinks, and

1621
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: if there's a genuine health danger, it seems like that

1622
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 1: would be a reasonable standard to apply. So it's I

1623
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: don't know that. Like listen, companies Panera does this all

1624
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: the time. They describe a lot of their food as

1625
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: quote unquote clean. It doesn't mean anything. It's not regulated.

1626
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 1: It's like utterly meaning a lot of the things that

1627
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 1: when you go to the grocery store and you see

1628
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: these labels put on, they're not certifying anything real. They're

1629
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: just aspirationally describing the product in the way that you

1630
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: want to associate with it. So so yeah, it's hard

1631
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: for me. First of all, I definitely don't think it

1632
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: should be banned. I don't know that it's Panera's fault

1633
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 1: or that they should be punished, but I would like

1634
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: to see it spark a conversation about whether there should

1635
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: be more warning labels on highly caffeinated drinks, because I

1636
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: just say, like, thinking about you know, I take my

1637
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: kids supreneura. Sometimes if I wasn't really paying attention, I

1638
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: don't really let my kids have caffeine because they're crazy

1639
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: enough as it is. And if I just saw lemonade

1640
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 1: and I wasn't really paying close attention, I could see

1641
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,640
Speaker 1: them filling up a cup of this and me not

1642
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: even knowing that they were having this level of intake.

1643
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 4: Now, would that be like really dangerous there? I doubt it.

1644
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know they're healthy. They don't have any

1645
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: underlying health condition, so I don't think they would be

1646
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: put at considerable risk. But as a parent, I would

1647
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 1: like a little additional information or a little additional flag,

1648
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: because I would never think even if I took note

1649
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: of quote unquote charged lemonade, I would never think it

1650
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: had that level of caffeine because that's insane.

1651
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 3: So cool. That's why I was cool.

1652
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 2: Three hundred and ninety milligrams, all right, So I looked

1653
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: at it. Regulation regulation around caffeine and energy drinks is

1654
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: that they are classified as dietary supplements, thus they are

1655
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: not required to have FDA approval before production or sale.

1656
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: Is not currently regulate the amount of caffeine and other

1657
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: stimulants that are found in energy drinks again. I mean,

1658
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 2: I think that's fine, especially we have a current system,

1659
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,839
Speaker 2: especially right now, is that things don't really get banned

1660
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,919
Speaker 2: unless you can prove some sort of public health crisis

1661
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 2: and specifically targeting to teenagers. So, as I said, many

1662
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: people are calling it the fifth Loco. I actually think

1663
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: what happened to for Loco is bullshit if you look

1664
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: back on it. Their argument against for Loco in two

1665
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: thousand and nine was that the amount of caffeine had

1666
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: to be banned specifically because it was being marketed to teenagers.

1667
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: I mean that's a obviously false because it was being

1668
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: marketed to people who can legally consume alcohol. Now, in

1669
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 2: terms of its marketing and all, that wasn't targeting young people. Yeah,

1670
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: and as a participant in for Loco Fridays, it was awesome.

1671
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:47,759
Speaker 5: Now.

1672
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,679
Speaker 2: I also remember though that when four Loco was banned,

1673
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 2: what did people start doing. They started buying red Bull

1674
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: and pouring into Loco because and I think Vodga Red

1675
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: Bull at that time also took off as one of

1676
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 2: the more popular bar drinks. It was just the it's

1677
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 2: like a natural combination that people who are really drawing

1678
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 2: frat culture and all that are going to indulge in regardless.

1679
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 2: So to me, it seems very nanny state when we

1680
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 2: look back on it, it's a lot like what happened

1681
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 2: to Jewel in the same way, or we're going to

1682
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 2: ban Jewel because they're targeting children, and by that, we're

1683
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 2: going to destroy this multi billion dollar American company, so

1684
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 2: that cheap Chinese vapes where those elf bars and all

1685
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 2: those other things can be widely available in every vape

1686
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: store in the entire US, and you can buy Zen

1687
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 2: and all you can buy like twelve milligram like Zin

1688
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 2: and nicotine packets that are out there right now, which

1689
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: tons of teenagers.

1690
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: But so I'm I don't know that I've really seen

1691
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 1: people calling for a ban. Maybe somebody out I've seen it.

1692
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 1: Is it more like what do you think about additional warnings?

1693
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: What do you think about, you know, being more easily

1694
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: available than information about how much caffeine it has?

1695
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 4: What do you think about those sorts of things?

1696
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: Because to me, that's just like transparency and then people

1697
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: can make up plansformed decisions about what they're going to

1698
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 1: purchase and what they're going to consume, and that I support.

1699
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 2: I support information for consumers. The calorie content is available

1700
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: by law in Panera bread. Whenever you order one of

1701
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: these things, I think you order these are Uber eats, right, yes,

1702
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 2: right there, it's in the Uber Eats app.

1703
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 3: It tells you exactly how many calories it is, how

1704
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 3: many calories in it, and.

1705
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 1: If I were they huge now, I don't know if

1706
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: they did before, but now when you order them, they

1707
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,839
Speaker 1: have a warning on it that says like, not for kids,

1708
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: not for people pregnant, not for people with underlying health conditions.

1709
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm not quoting verbatim, but there was some sort of

1710
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: a warning that came up.

1711
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 2: If I were to choose any warning label to put

1712
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 2: on this thing, it would not be about caffeine, and

1713
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: it would be about sugar. One hundred and thirty grams

1714
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 2: sugar and call them this thing out unquote clean.

1715
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: That would really bend all of our entire food systems.

1716
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: I support if you were to ask me what's more

1717
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: dangerous in this thing, it is not the caffeine, and

1718
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: a one hundred percent is the sugar. And I would

1719
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 2: support that for every drink out there on the planet,

1720
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: some sort of massive warning label as to what's actually

1721
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 2: going to kill you.

1722
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 3: But we have we talked around this enough. Should we

1723
01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 3: try it?

1724
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 4: Let's try?

1725
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 3: We drink it? All right?

1726
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 4: Cheers, cheers?

1727
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 2: Okay, mine is pretty tasty.

1728
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 4: I got a strawberry lemon mint.

1729
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I hate to say it's a little sweet.

1730
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 3: I was, what am I drinking? Mango?

1731
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 1: U zoo is yours and minus strawberry lemon mint, and

1732
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 1: that's pretty good.

1733
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,440
Speaker 3: Ten years ago. This thing is definitely.

1734
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 4: A lot of sugar. Yeah, you can get it. It's

1735
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 4: very sweet.

1736
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: Your tongue is like dripping.

1737
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't drink regular soda or regular but you know,

1738
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: sometimes when you accidentally get one or something, you can

1739
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: feel coat your teeth.

1740
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 4: I can't.

1741
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: That's the mouthfeel that I'm getting from this one thing.

1742
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised by is given the amount

1743
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: of sugar and caffeine. I actually thought the cups would

1744
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: be larger because this doesn't even approach like a big

1745
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 1: large one size, and this is the large size. That

1746
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: being said, I cannot imagine drinking three of these things.

1747
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: That would be wild on every level. I can't really

1748
01:23:54,800 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: imagine drinking any beverage the size three of them, which fullish.

1749
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, but unfortunately a lot of people I mean,

1750
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: how many how many times you've been in the seven

1751
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: eleven and you see people walk out of there with

1752
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 2: double double big gulps that are full of like full sola.

1753
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: Too young to have been involved in the like big

1754
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: gulp wars when Bloomberg was Mayor.

1755
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 3: Of Needs or well, I do remember you remember it?

1756
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a that was the whole thing.

1757
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's listen, I'm I am much more

1758
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,639
Speaker 1: in support of transparency and changing incentives than like outright bands.

1759
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: I think are generally generally not the way to go

1760
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: unless it's like a really exceptional circumstance. But I don't

1761
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: know that this qualifies as an exceptional circle.

1762
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 3: It certainly doesn't in my opinion.

1763
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 2: Anyway, thank you for indulging us, letting us have fun

1764
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 2: on this, Crystal.

1765
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 3: What are you taking a look at?

1766
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 6: Well, tell me name me one more nation, any other

1767
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 6: nation that's doing as much as the United States to

1768
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 6: alleviate the pain and suffering of the people of Gazwa.

1769
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 6: You can't, You just can't. The United States, through President Biden,

1770
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 6: is leading the effort to get trucks, food, water, medicine,

1771
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 6: and fuel into the people of Gaza.

1772
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 5: Wait.

1773
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 6: Wait, name another nation. Name an other nation that's doing

1774
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 6: is more than the United States to get hostages out

1775
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 6: or to get people foreign nationals out of Gaza. You

1776
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 6: can't do it. And name another nation that is doing

1777
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 6: more to urge this is Israeli counterparts. Our Israeli counterparts

1778
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 6: to be as cautious and deliberate as they can be

1779
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 6: in the prosecution of their military operations. You can the

1780
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 6: United States is at the forefront of this.

1781
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 1: That was NSC spokesman John Kirby and one of the

1782
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:33,480
Speaker 1: greatest feats of gaslighting I have literally ever seen, positioning

1783
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: the US is a great humanitarian savior even as our

1784
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,560
Speaker 1: bombs are being dropped on thousands of Palestinian babies.

1785
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 4: We are aiding and a betting a medigal.

1786
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: Siege, the worst massacre of civilians in modern history, the

1787
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: mass displacement of nearly the entire population of Gaza what

1788
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: Nick Christoph is now calling Rwanda level atrocities, and still

1789
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: have the gall to posture like we are humanity's last

1790
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 1: best hope. It is literally unreal, as in thoroughly disconnected

1791
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: from reality. If I spent the entire day, I could

1792
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 1: not possibly untangle all of the twisted delusions and outright

1793
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: lies that the US is pushed in order to justify

1794
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: the unjustifiable and in order to wash the Biden administration's

1795
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: hands of the blood being spilled and chaos being sewed

1796
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: in Gaza and more broadly in the Middle East. But

1797
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 1: I wanted to spend a little bit of time today

1798
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: tackling some of the greatest absurdities being peddled from the

1799
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: White House and State Department podiums, taking apart the elaborate

1800
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: fairy tale that Biden and co. Must push lest they

1801
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: just admit that they are dedicated to helping Israel commit

1802
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,759
Speaker 1: war crimes. So let's start with mister Kirby. Here, he says,

1803
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: to name one nation that is doing as much as

1804
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: the US to alleviate the pain and suffering of the

1805
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,520
Speaker 1: people of Gaza. As a starting point, how about literally

1806
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: every other member of the UN Security Council, all of

1807
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: whom voted for an immediate ceasefire and release of all hostages,

1808
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: save for the UK, which abstained the US vetoed that resolation,

1809
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: making clear that are hosed. Concern for the hostages is

1810
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: just an empty pack of lies, and our alleged concern

1811
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: for civilians is even more of a cruel joke. More

1812
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: to the point, it is the height of insanity to

1813
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: claim you are the humanitarian savior of Palestinians for giving

1814
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: a little, perfunctory lip service to concerns for civilians and

1815
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,799
Speaker 1: sending in a few aid trucks while your state department

1816
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,879
Speaker 1: is working feverishly to ship as many weapons and munitions

1817
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 1: as possible as fast as you can, knowing that these

1818
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: weapons are being used overwhelmingly to massacre Palestinian civilians living

1819
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 1: on how about we check in with the State Department.

1820
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: Their spokesman, Matthew Miller, is doing his absolute best to

1821
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: pretend that life for Palestinians and Gaza is anything but

1822
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: absolute hell on earth. Fresh off being rebuked as irresponsible

1823
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: by the IDF for suggesting that Hamas was not releasing

1824
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: hostages because they had been raped, Matthew Miller decided to

1825
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: give the residents of Gaza a little advice on how

1826
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: they could keep themselves and their families safe. Miller's guidance,

1827
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: just go to the yuon designated sites.

1828
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 7: So where should people go?

1829
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 9: People should go to the site. Let's take it one

1830
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 9: question time. Before you asked a question, let me answer.

1831
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 9: People should go to the UN designated sites where that

1832
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 9: are on Israeli lists as deconfliction zones that should not

1833
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,440
Speaker 9: be the target of military campaigns.

1834
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: Now Listen to a UNISEF official on that very same day,

1835
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: in response to a similar question about where people should

1836
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 1: go to be safe, there is.

1837
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,719
Speaker 10: No way safe. This place is not safe under that title,

1838
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 10: is not safe. Children in that hospital is not safe.

1839
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 10: There are no bond because he that would offer a

1840
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,280
Speaker 10: modicum of safety, it doesn't exist.

1841
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:33,799
Speaker 4: Nowhere is safe.

1842
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: Matthew Miller's fantasy in which UN flag facilities offer some

1843
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 1: sort of safe harbor was also just rebuked by the

1844
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: Secretary General of the UN itself, who wrote in a

1845
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: statement quote, the people of Gaza are being told to

1846
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 1: move like human pinballs Rickichet, between ever smaller slivers of

1847
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: the south without any of the basics for survival. But

1848
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: nowhere in Gaza is safe. At least eighty eight UN

1849
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: Relief and Works Agency for Palestine refugees in the Near

1850
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: East shelters have been hit, killing over two hundred and

1851
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: seven people in injuring over nine hundred. In another exchange,

1852
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 1: Miller was confronted with the actual horrors that our government

1853
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: is standing firmly behind, and it gets a little uncomfortable

1854
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 1: for him, this fairy tale of safe zones and humanitarian

1855
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,919
Speaker 1: assistants collapsing. He reaches for the only other option, pleading ignorance.

1856
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 9: There was a report that Israel's assault forced the nurse

1857
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 9: to leave babies behind.

1858
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 5: They were found decomposing. Are you aware of the story.

1859
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 3: I am aware of that report.

1860
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 7: Y and do you take it as it happened, or

1861
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 7: if it did happen, is at the walk line sight?

1862
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,799
Speaker 9: I would say that is a tragedy. It's a tragedy

1863
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 9: for those babies, It's a tragedy for their family members,

1864
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,640
Speaker 9: It's a tragedy for the Palestinian people, and it is

1865
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 9: a tragedy for the world. It is why we have

1866
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 9: made clear that far too many Palestinians have been killed

1867
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,880
Speaker 9: in this conflict, and that of course includes far too

1868
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 9: many Palestinian children and of course Palestinian babies, And it

1869
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 9: is why we have taken every measure we could to

1870
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 9: speak loudly and clearly to the government of Israel that

1871
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 9: it needs to do everything it can to minimize civilian harm.

1872
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 9: And it's why we have worked to try and move

1873
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 9: humanitarian assistance in and it is also why I will

1874
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 9: say we have said that Hamas should stop hiding its

1875
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 9: fighters in hospitals. So it gets to the very difficult

1876
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 9: nature of this war and the immense human tragedy that

1877
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 9: has been inflicted on far.

1878
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 5: Tell better if it's happened. It's not a work, right

1879
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 5: or is there a work.

1880
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 9: I'm never going to be able to make an assessment here.

1881
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 9: You saw us today make a conclusion about war crimes

1882
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 9: after a very deliberate fact finding process where we then

1883
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 9: apply the factor a lot. It's not something I can

1884
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 9: do responding to just please let me finish my answers

1885
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 9: before you interrupt. I will take all your questions. It

1886
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,799
Speaker 9: is not something I can do responding to a report

1887
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 9: from the podium.

1888
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: Amazingly, on the very same day that Miller plot ignorance,

1889
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: the State Department didn't miraculously remember what war crimes actually are,

1890
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: sending out this tweet announcing they had to Herman the

1891
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: Sudanese armed forces had committed war crimes and ethnic cleansing

1892
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: in Sudan.

1893
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 3: Wow.

1894
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: Perhaps they can use these new powers to figure out

1895
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 1: the immensely complicated riddle of whether premature babies in the

1896
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: Niku are legitimate military targets. Now it's complete, our partial

1897
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: exploration of US fairy tales, fantasies, and outright falsehoods. Let's

1898
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: go back to where we started, because John Kirby has

1899
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: been routinely turning in oscar winning performances in defense of

1900
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: the Israeli government.

1901
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:26,639
Speaker 4: Just take a listen to this one.

1902
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 6: It is not the Israeli defense forces strategy to kill

1903
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 6: innocent people. It's happening. I admit that each one's a tragedy,

1904
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 6: but it's not like these Raelis are sitting around every

1905
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 6: morning and saying, hey, how many more civilians can we

1906
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 6: kill today? Let's go Obama. Let's go Obama school or

1907
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 6: a hospital or a residential building and just and cause

1908
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 6: civilian casualties. Not doing that, they're trying to go after Hamas,

1909
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 6: and it's a very difficult task when Hamas, oh, by

1910
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 6: the way, in addition to deliberately slaughtering people, is deliberately

1911
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 6: hiding themselves in residential buildings, in hospitals, in tunnels, make

1912
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 6: putting the innocent people of Gaza directly in the crossfire.

1913
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 6: Now you tell me, is that right?

1914
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: Peddling oh, so many lies in such a short period

1915
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: of time.

1916
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 4: It's almost impressive.

1917
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: Frankly, first claim from Kirby quote it is not the

1918
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:14,799
Speaker 1: IDF strategy to kill innocent people.

1919
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 4: Actually it is.

1920
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: This is blindingly, undeniably obvious if you just look at

1921
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: the death toll. The very lowest civilian death rate estimate

1922
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,879
Speaker 1: I have seen comes from an Israeli university studies published

1923
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 1: in Haretz, which found that sixty percent of all deaths

1924
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: in Gaza were civilians. Other estimates have placed that number

1925
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: closer to eighty or ninety percent, But even taken the

1926
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 1: low number, it would be significantly higher than the civilian

1927
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 1: death toll of all twentieth century conflicts combined. That includes,

1928
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: of course, intimously brutal wars like World War One, World

1929
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: War II, Vietnam, etc. What's more, this same Israeli study

1930
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: confirmed the reporting of nine seven two, which found that yes,

1931
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 1: in fact, Israel is intentionally bombing civilians in hopes of

1932
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 1: creating a quote shock that would turn the population on humas.

1933
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: So when Kirby says, quote, it's not like the Israelis

1934
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 1: are sitting around every morning and saying, hey, how many

1935
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 1: more civilians can we kill today? Let's go Bama school

1936
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: or a hospital or a residential building, and just cause civilian casualties.

1937
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 4: They actually literally are doing that.

1938
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Kirby goes on to say what the Israelis are actually

1939
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: doing is hunting Hamas. This may be the biggest fairy

1940
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 1: tale of the mall Adam Johnson lays this out well

1941
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: in his new piece for The Nation, The Hunt from

1942
01:33:23,680 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: Hamas narrative is obscuring Israel's real plans for Gossap. In it,

1943
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: he asked us to consider the hunt for Hamas narrative

1944
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: that surrounded the attack, for example, on Alshif, the hospital

1945
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: we were told Al Shifa was the beating heart of

1946
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: Hamas Hq, complete with this computer generated image of hamas

1947
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: command and control center doctor Evil's style layer where Hamas leaders, militants,

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Speaker 1: and hostages could all be located. In the end, the

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Speaker 1: IDF was able to produce roughly a dozen guns, one

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Speaker 1: tunnel shaft, and a box of dates, and then everyone

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Speaker 1: moved on to con Unis, which we are now told

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Speaker 1: is the real Hamas Hq. As Johnson writes, quote, looking

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Speaker 1: at Israeli attacks through a countert pkeral Lens makes Israel's

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Speaker 1: military decisions seem perplexing. Why would Israel attack a hospital

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Speaker 1: if it didn't think it was a Hamas command center.

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Speaker 1: The Israeli military has shelled and attacked a number of hospitals,

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Speaker 1: most of which it didn't even bother to claim more

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Speaker 1: Hamas military basis. This is because the hunt for Hamas

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Speaker 1: framework continually adopted by US media is the wrong framework.

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Speaker 1: The government is doing forcible population transfers, and this means everyone.

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Speaker 1: It's the simplest way to explain Israel's actions. Yet American media,

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Speaker 1: tied to counter terror narratives can't or won't get their

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Speaker 1: minds around the obvious fact that Israel's attempting to depopulate

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Speaker 1: Gaza in stages. Not to mention, given the high rate

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Speaker 1: of civilian death, Israel is without a doubt, creating more

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Speaker 1: Hamas militants than they are destroying. Taken together, the US

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Speaker 1: is mounting an all out assault on reality in order

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Speaker 1: to continue to justify are unconditional, no redline support for

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Speaker 1: Bibi's war on Gaza. The impossible and failing nature of

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Speaker 1: perpetuating this elaborate mythology is why have they resorted to

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Speaker 1: increasingly desperate distraction. Oh my god, it's TikTok, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: A rally chant meets someone somewhere feel unsafe. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: a university president actually stood up for free speech. Can't

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Speaker 1: have any of that free speech lest someone actually tells

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Speaker 1: the truth. And the level of gaslighting here has been

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Speaker 1: truly extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at breakingpoints dot com. Joining

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Speaker 2: us now is independent journalist Lee Fong. He's got a

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Speaker 2: great new piece out. Let's go and put it up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. Inside the pro Israel information war israelly,

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Speaker 2: government led zoom calls, WhatsApp chat logs, and other documents

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Speaker 2: provide a window into the massive effort to shape online

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Speaker 2: discourse and silence pro Palestinian voices. Lee, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining us, first of all, and why don't

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Speaker 2: you break down a little bit of what you uncovered

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Speaker 2: from behind the scenes of some cancelation campaigns that we've

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Speaker 2: seen in front of us.

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Speaker 11: Well, good morning, thanks for having me, And before I begin,

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Speaker 11: I just want to give a big shout out to

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Speaker 11: my co author, Jack Bolsen. Really fantastic journalists. Check out

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Speaker 11: a substact, check out tech inquiry to Watchdog group that

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Speaker 11: he runs. We did this story looking into there's really

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Speaker 11: let me just say that there's two wars going on.

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Speaker 11: There's the physical war in Gaza, but there's also a

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Speaker 11: propaganda war. There's a war to win public opinion, to

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Speaker 11: shape the online and public discourse. This story looks into

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Speaker 11: that many of the participants in this organization and these

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Speaker 11: groups that we looked into, they call it the information war,

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Speaker 11: also the second battlefield. And we looked at documents, planning documents,

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Speaker 11: activist documents, videos, and webinars with training seminars on how

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Speaker 11: to engage in this information war. And we've got access

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Speaker 11: to this three hundred person WhatsApp group Pro Israel Group,

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Speaker 11: many prominent members, officials from APAC, the very influential pro

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Speaker 11: Israel lobbying group here in the US, Venture Capitalists, Tech Leader.

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Speaker 11: There's a lot of prominent names in there, and they're

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Speaker 11: basically organizing to support Israel. Some of the work is

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Speaker 11: fairly benign or you know, normal charitable work. You know,

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Speaker 11: they're raising funds to provide humanitarian assistants to communities that

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Speaker 11: impacted in Israel. But some of the other work is

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Speaker 11: perhaps a little bit more problematic that raises certain concerns.

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Speaker 11: They're organizing as well to silence Palestinian voices. To silence

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Speaker 11: pro Palestinian voices, They're organizing the pressure campaigns on universities

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Speaker 11: and other groups to cancel pro Palestinian speakers. They've gone

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Speaker 11: after and successfully canceled events from Congresswoman Rashida t Lei,

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Speaker 11: a Democrat from Michigan, Muhammad al Kurd He's a fairly

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Speaker 11: prominent writer from Jerusalem and writes for the Nation and

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Speaker 11: other US based publications. He was scheduled to speak at

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Speaker 11: the University of Vermont, and you know, members of this

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Speaker 11: group mobilize the pressure effort to cancel that event.

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Speaker 5: It was canceled. They're pooling money into.

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Speaker 11: AI based tech tools to automatically flag and report pro

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Speaker 11: Palestine and content on various social media platforms Instagram, Twitter,

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Speaker 11: what have you.

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Speaker 5: They're organizing to send.

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Speaker 11: Even even arms and weapons to Israel, although it seems

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Speaker 11: like some of those efforts were not successful because of

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Speaker 11: customs efforts or customs issues. But you know, there's there's

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Speaker 11: just it's a sprawling effort. I mean, these are these

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Speaker 11: are mostly volunteers. Of course, any group on either side

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Speaker 11: of this, pro Palestating or pro Israel has a right

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Speaker 11: to speak out.

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Speaker 5: There's no issue with that.

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Speaker 11: We all have a First Amendment right here. But what's

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Speaker 11: kind of interesting and again kind of unusual here is

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Speaker 11: that many Israeli government officials have participated in these efforts.

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Speaker 11: They've sat in on the chats, they've helped guide the

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Speaker 11: advocacy on webinars. So, you know, I've looked at a

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Speaker 11: lot of different interest groups and you know, effort.

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Speaker 5: To shape public policy, public discourse.

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Speaker 11: The role of a foreign government in such a heavy

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Speaker 11: handed role here, you know, that's that's something that's that

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Speaker 11: I haven't seen before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lee, perhaps you could take us through one example

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Speaker 1: of someone that they targeted for cancelation getting there, you know,

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Speaker 1: getting them fired, getting a taught canceled, so we can

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Speaker 1: see how this network sort of operates.

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Speaker 11: Well, the story goes through a lot of different examples,

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Speaker 11: but you know, one we open with and this was

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Speaker 11: publicly reported, you know, shortly after the October seventh terrorist attack.

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Speaker 11: You know, you saw a wave of cancelations. You know,

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Speaker 11: one employee from the website building Wix, it's an Israeli

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Speaker 11: company in Ireland, posted on LinkedIn Free Palestine. She later

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Speaker 11: posted other comments criticizing the kind of exclusive Zion estate

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Speaker 11: of Israel. You know, these are potentially controversial comments, but

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Speaker 11: you know this is her political opinion. By look at

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Speaker 11: this WhatsApp group, we see kind of a very rapid

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Speaker 11: effort to identify tech employees and academics and activists for cancelation.

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Speaker 11: So someone took a screenshot of her simply saying free Palestine,

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Speaker 11: shared with the group immediately, and an executive from WIS,

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Speaker 11: from this tech company that employed said, you know, we're

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Speaker 11: already working on it. Someone else confirmed that she'd work

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Speaker 11: on it. She's the WIS executive says, you know, we'll

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Speaker 11: look for a statement tomorrow. You know this has been

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Speaker 11: taken care of, and indeed, within twenty four hours, this

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Speaker 11: employee was fired. And you know the WhatsApp group is

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Speaker 11: just littered with examples of this. Uh, they're going after,

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Speaker 11: you know, very kind of even minor or relatively minor

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Speaker 11: student groups, pressuring universities to cut their ties with them.

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Speaker 5: They're mobilizing.

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Speaker 11: Donors and alumni from various elite colleges NYU, Columbia and

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Speaker 11: others to support decisions to revoke the status of student group.

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Speaker 11: You know, Jewish voices for Peace as Students for Palestine.

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Speaker 11: These are kind of left wing groups that are more

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Speaker 11: on the very much so on the pro Palestinian side.

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Speaker 11: They're really targeting these organizations and getting them removed or

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Speaker 11: canceled from university campuses.

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Speaker 1: Lee Another part that I've thought was really fascinating because

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Speaker 1: it rang so true is you talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the training that's done in this group, and in particular

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Speaker 1: you've got information about and Israel based venture capitalists. Who

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Speaker 1: outlined three categories of people that it was worth reaching

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Speaker 1: out to and trying to persuade. One group was dubbed

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Speaker 1: the impressionables, typically young people. They reflexively support the weak,

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Speaker 1: opposed the oppressor, but are not really knowledgeable. For this

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Speaker 1: category of people, the goal is not to convince them

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Speaker 1: of anything, but to see doubt.

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Speaker 4: That was one group.

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Speaker 1: The second group was what was described as the uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: sympathizer group that wants to support Israel, typically more liberal, but.

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Speaker 4: Opposes net and Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: These types can be won over by pointing out we

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Speaker 1: are a multi ethnic, diverse, democratic liberal society with rotten apples.

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Speaker 1: The like Israeli gay pride flags sort of come to

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Speaker 1: mind in that genre of outreach The final group consists

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Speaker 1: of those who are reflexively pro Israel, kind of Israel

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Speaker 1: right or wrong. Members of this group are not actually

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Speaker 1: very knowledgeable, so they needed to be equipped with the

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Speaker 1: right facts to make them more effective in advocating for Israel.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 11: I mean these are just I mean, some of these tactics.

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Speaker 11: I guess you kind of see them on any controversial

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Speaker 11: emotionally related topic.

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Speaker 5: But it's really interesting to see. You know, this was.

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Speaker 11: A high level official runs the Israel office of Bessemer

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Speaker 11: Venture Partners. This is one of the biggest VC firms

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Speaker 11: in the world. You know, they help seed LinkedIn, Yelp, Shopify,

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Speaker 11: you name it. I mean, this is a very big

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Speaker 11: VC firm, a lot of money under management, a lot

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Speaker 11: of influence. And one of their partners, Andy David, led

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Speaker 11: this talk and gave as that you just referenced, and

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Speaker 11: he did it so alongside an IDF spokesperson in uniform

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Speaker 11: for this kind of training session for tech leaders in VC,

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Speaker 11: VC folks to engage in the social media debate. And

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Speaker 11: you know, he was kind of bragging that he had,

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Speaker 11: you know, ridiculed and rebutted Paul Graham and other very influential,

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Speaker 11: influential venture capitalists who has made comments that people perceive

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Speaker 11: as pro Palestinian, talking about the civilian body count on

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Speaker 11: both sides and how it's hire on the Palestinian side.

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Speaker 11: But you know, this is just that's just one of

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Speaker 11: many of these webinars, and they're really focused on social media.

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Speaker 11: They're the pro Israel side, and I think both sides

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Speaker 11: really are concerned about how this conflict is perceived. And really,

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Speaker 11: if you open up any of these social media platforms,

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Speaker 11: you do see hateful stuff on both sides. You know,

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Speaker 11: you see anti Semitic convents, you see Islamophobic, anti Arab comments,

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Speaker 11: you see people justifying the slaughter of civilians.

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Speaker 5: Really again on both sides.

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Speaker 11: But really it is also a lopside of debate because

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Speaker 11: the vast majority of people who are losing their academic freedom,

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Speaker 11: who are losing their free speech, are getting kind of

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Speaker 11: removed from social media because they're getting constantly flagged, whether

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Speaker 11: by bots or by volunteers, it's not really clear or

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Speaker 11: by these kind of the black box of who makes

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Speaker 11: decisions at the social media companies. They're seeing more of

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Speaker 11: the pro Palestinian side getting silenced.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have that example that you mentioned. We could

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Speaker 2: put it up there on the screen just to show

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Speaker 2: people the level of state support even for this where

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Speaker 2: it shows a graphic here for those who are just

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Speaker 2: listening that says Israel needs you now. Special guests include

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Speaker 2: a major in the IDF spokesperson unit, Libby Weiss, who

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Speaker 2: previously I know, I believe she was an American citizen

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Speaker 2: who made ali a, went to Israel and now works

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Speaker 2: as a spokesperson for the IDF. And then Adam Fisher,

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Speaker 2: who's a partner at that venture firm that you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is right up like a government organized

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Speaker 2: effort to and who were the people then lee who

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Speaker 2: participated in this. It's very what high net worth individuals

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Speaker 2: who then were encouraged to participate in cancelation campaigns here

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Speaker 2: in the United States.

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Speaker 11: Yes, it's largely folks in the Bay Area, people at

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Speaker 11: work who work at VC funds, family offices, tech firms,

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Speaker 11: tech lawyers. But you know, it's a loosely organized group

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Speaker 11: of volunteers essentially. I mean, these are people who are

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Speaker 11: very concerned about the conflict, you know, who want to

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Speaker 11: do who want to play a part. Again, that's that's there, right,

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Speaker 11: But you know, there's also some people in DC in

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Speaker 11: New York. I don't have the full list of this

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Speaker 11: particular zoom call, but you know, we we we have

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Speaker 11: viewed quite a few.

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Speaker 5: We watched some of these videos.

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Speaker 11: Some of these videos were actually posted online that anyone

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Speaker 11: can see, but just in very kind of hidden corners

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Speaker 11: of the Internet. Even just within the first few days

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Speaker 11: after the conflict started on October seven, you know, you

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Speaker 11: had almost immediately you had idf of spokespeople, people from

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Speaker 11: the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Israel organizing these zoom

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Speaker 11: calls to say, hey, look for you know, people who

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Speaker 11: support Israel, who are traumatized by this this terror attack.

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Speaker 11: You can play a part too. You can be a

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Speaker 11: frontline soldier. We need you to influence universities. We need

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Speaker 11: you to influence your elite circles of donors and other.

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Speaker 5: Influential people in the media.

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Speaker 11: We need you to pressure Congress to maintain strong support

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Speaker 11: for Israel. We need munitions, we need armaments, We need

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Speaker 11: Congress to send US military support to win this war.

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Speaker 11: And you know, even though there are people fighting in

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Speaker 11: the physical battlefield, you can play your part back in

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Speaker 11: the United States. And indeed that's what we've seen over

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Speaker 11: the last two months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Lee, it actually reminds me of I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is not new for the Israeli garment

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Speaker 1: that always been very savvy about shaping public opinion, especially

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Speaker 1: in the places where they need public opinion to be shaped.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this goes all the way back to the

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Speaker 1: early Zionists, you know, trying to secure the ball for

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Speaker 1: declaration from Britain and trying to shape the media coverage

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Speaker 1: in England of what was happening in historic Palestine there.

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Speaker 1: So it has a lot of echoes around history of

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Speaker 1: this sort of like organized effort, which again may not

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Speaker 1: be illegal, but it's nevertheless interesting to see how these

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Speaker 1: things that feel like they're organic unfolding online and the

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Speaker 1: types of arguments that are being made and the type

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Speaker 1: of sweeping cancelations that we've seen across the country, to

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Speaker 1: see some of the nitty gurdy of how this is

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Speaker 1: actually organized behind the scenes. The last question I had

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Speaker 1: for you is has there been any descent within these networks.

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Speaker 1: Has there been a moment where someone raised their hand,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this is too far, or this person

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be fired, or you know what, this rhetoric I

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Speaker 1: really object to.

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Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, you know, this is not like this is

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Speaker 11: a three hundred person WhatsApp group, you know. And again,

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Speaker 11: this is a snapshot into what are probably there are

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Speaker 11: probably a lot of other WhatsApp groups and other organizing efforts.

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Speaker 11: This is just one that we got access to. But

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Speaker 11: there was some pushback against some of these demands to

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Speaker 11: cancel the Netflix film far Ha. It's a Jordanian film

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Speaker 11: that depicts a scene or you know, a moment in

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Speaker 11: the nineteen forty eight war, you know what Palestinians called

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Speaker 11: the Nakba, when many Palestinians were forced out of their

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Speaker 11: homes and pushed out of Israel. You know, there's there's

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Speaker 11: a very gory scene. I you know, I just recently

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Speaker 11: watched the film in which Israeli militant soldiers kill civilians US.

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Speaker 11: You know, heart wrenching film, our heart wrenching scene. And

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Speaker 11: there is an effort in this onsapp group to apply

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Speaker 11: more pressure to Netflix to cancel this film, to stop

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Speaker 11: it from being streamed. And one of the members of

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Speaker 11: this group said, you know what, you know, even Israeli

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Speaker 11: historians have confirmed that some of these activities indeed took

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Speaker 11: place but this person was kind of over over road

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Speaker 11: by the other members who said, look, this is still

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Speaker 11: incitement against Jews as anti semitism.

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Speaker 5: This is blood lebel at this point, at this point.

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Speaker 11: In time, you know it's not even if it's historically accurate,

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Speaker 11: we still need to get this consul.

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Speaker 5: Wow. Again, this is not that.

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Speaker 11: There was some lively back and forth, you know what,

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Speaker 11: It's not. Everyone was in an agreement.

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Speaker 3: All right, I guess we'll take it.

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Speaker 4: What's that Netflix film again?

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Speaker 3: I want to check it out far far ha.

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Speaker 5: Lee.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, it's a fantastic report. I really encourage people

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Speaker 1: to read it in depth because, like I said, it

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Speaker 1: is really fascinating just to see the way these things

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Speaker 1: develop behind the scenes versus just the public face that

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Speaker 1: we all have access to.

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Speaker 4: So thank you so much for your work and always

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Speaker 4: great to see you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely everybody subscribed to Lee's substack. We'll see you later, man,

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Speaker 2: appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Take care.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: We got a great counterpoints show for everybody tomorrow, so

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Speaker 2: you guys can enjoy that. Otherwise, we'll see you all

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Speaker 2: on Thursday.