WEBVTT - Michael Carbonaro on The Carbonaro Effect, His Latest Tour and What it Takes to Make It. 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.280 Welcome to Behind the Influence, a production of I Heart 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:07.880 Radio and TDC Media. The greatest thing I had heard 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.520 recently was like things you're curious about? Instead of like 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:12.680 what are you passionate about? It's passionate sort of fleeting. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.560 It's like I'm passionate about this, and then tomorrow like, man, 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:16.120 I was not passionate about it, but like, what are 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:18.360 you curious about? Like you know what I'd like to see? 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.480 Like maybe be kind of cool if wouldn't it be neat? 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.600 I wonder if like all those thoughts will lead you 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.800 to your destiny. I came in to meet him and 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.280 he was like, oh my gosh, Michael Carbinar, Oh, I 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.600 love your show. And I was like, whoa I have 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.640 like a name and how like he knows me. I 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.440 find that the best, most genuine stuff really is the 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.640 stuff that just kind of rings in your heart that 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:41.800 you're like, I'd like to do this, or maybe I 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:43.880 would like to do this. I think this might be neat. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.120 You've got to follow that. He's a magician, he's a comedian, 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.280 he's an all around entertainer of people. Michael Carbonaro is 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.680 in the house. Welcome, well, no, you welcome So what 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.280 came first for you? Magic or comedy? Magic? But first 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.200 first with special effects. Know, like I was really into 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.000 special effects and makeup as a kid, like maybe thirteen 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.360 years old. I mean I was doing I did magic 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:07.959 earlier than that, Like when I was like eight, I 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:09.920 played with tricks and stuff. But when I was like, 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.320 I want to when I grow up, I want to 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.120 be a special effects makeup artist for the movies. I 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.080 was sure of it. And I just loved horror. I 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.480 loved makeup and Halloween and special effects, and that was it. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.240 Tom Savini, who was a makeup artist who did like 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.119 Friday the Thirteenth and Creep Show, he had a book 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.200 on on special effects makeup that was that was literally 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.240 like my very first I call it my first magic 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.800 book because it's the same. There's like so many special 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.600 effects tricks that are tricks, you know, movie tricks and 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.360 especially older movies where was all practical effects, where it 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.240 wasn't computer generated, so you had to like pull off 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:43.640 these tricks and gags and he would he would speak 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.120 like a magician and the effect, and I learned magic 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:47.840 and special effects were sort of like the same thing. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.440 So I was sure I was going to do. It 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.760 was buying special effects supplies that a local magic shop. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:54.840 I also was watching Copper Fields. It was kind of 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.080 layering and I started like buying some tricks and watching 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.480 the magicians there, and I found my love performing through magic. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.200 So special effets is sort of even though magic is 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.920 sort of dorky. You're alone, learning things yourself a lot, 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.040 practicing in front of the mirror and and stuff. But 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.680 special effects is very you know, isolated. It's a solid 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.720 you know, you're in the basement planning with clay and 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:19.680 it's just meditative. But with magic, you're out there performing 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.360 for somebody to get a reaction, and it starts to 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.960 turn into a relationship and it's like, oh, that's where 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.400 I discovered why I really like entertaining. So it really 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.680 went from like like the Grand Scheme and went from 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.920 like special effects to magic, which brought me to performing. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.600 Went to n Yu thinking I was going to be 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:40.160 the next David Copy. The way you and Hyu is incredible, Tish, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.960 I mean like, no, bless you, bless you, bless you, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.480 bless you? Okay, so I rudely interrupted you, So then 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.960 y you and why you? I went to n Yu 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.359 just with the thoughts of becoming the next David Copperfield, 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.800 and I found my love of acting and even serious acting. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:02:59.520 Was like, oh, I want to be like Johnny Depp, 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.200 like those really by the way, excellent, thank you. And 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.920 so then I was like, okay, no special effects, no magic, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.880 I want to be an actor. And then I was like, 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:12.240 and I started doing stand up too, so we want 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.880 to be comedy like doing comedy acting but also serious acting. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.600 I want to do both, like a Johnny Tap kind 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.760 of guy. Like I was like, this is Tom Hanks 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.040 just like you know, yeah Tom Hanks because he's like 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.720 his early stuff super funny and goofy and nonety, but 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.480 then he gets into the serious stuff later. I'm like 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.480 and Robin Williams, a lot of the comedians are like 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.400 you know. So that was the plan. And then I 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:33.160 started to come I've always had like a love hate 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:37.200 relationship with magic where why because of the stigma? Yeah 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.160 it yeah, there was sort of like you know, you 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.360 can't go you go to like a I don't think 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.920 people really understood like he's a magician but he's also 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.760 an actor, or he's an actor and a magician. That 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.080 just seems like oh, because when you think a magician, 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:55.120 You think like a nerd and the you know uncle goofball. Yeah, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.920 but I was a clown once, So I was performing 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.840 for like birthday parties at what age? That is so funny. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.880 When I was eight, I made my parents pay me 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:09.560 to perform at my sister's fifth birthday party. What did 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:11.880 you do? I yelled at everyone the whole time, was 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:16.000 so mean. I dressed I dressed up like a clown, 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.720 and I like did this lollipop trick where they had 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.600 to guess which one had red marker on the bottom 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.400 and when the kid gets the wrong one, which I 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.599 don't know how that's magic, by the way, I yelled 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:31.159 at the kid and made them cry good. I was 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:35.200 st a kid's fingers on purpose. They were so mean. 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.720 Wait wait, wait you will hold on it look like 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:46.919 an accident. They were brutal. You just reminded me of 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.400 Ryan Reynolds for like two seconds and said I saw Deadpool. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:56.359 But when you did it again, now you're doing but 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.120 it was like a Deadpool moment. You kind of resemble 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.000 him a little bit. So let me get this straight. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.839 Brian Reynolds looks down to stop. You just made another 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.880 face like him. I'm leaving. Are you doing it on purpose? 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:14.280 You're a good actor. That's the bottom line. Hashtag hashtag. 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.159 I'm gonna use that in the show, Like if I 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:17.920 have a moment where I like and I'm getting an 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.040 executive producer credit, would you do that just for the hashtag? 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.080 Though the rest of the show you can have cool? 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:27.240 Who else do you get? Dave Chappelle? Speaking of Dave 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.040 of Chappelle, someone on the TV show one time, I 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:31.520 was sure they knew who I was because I'm doing 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.240 a hidden camera show and she was like talking to 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:34.680 me and she's like, I know you, I know you. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:36.600 You have a show, You're Ler, You're Dave. And I'm 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.240 like no, She's like I know this show. I'm like Dave. 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.800 She's like Chappelle, No way. She didn't think I was 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.000 Dave Chappelle. She just confused the name. Somebody was that 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.840 his name is Dave. Say hi Dave. No, my name 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:58.120 is Stewart. Oh my god, nice to meet you. Who 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:04.920 am I? Who is Dave? I can't believe this. I 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.960 can't believe what can't you believe? Am I? Somebody who 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:14.160 knows you? Do? My name is not Dave, It's David something. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.599 I'm going to show you something that and you'll know 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.120 what show it is. I don't show it is. It's 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:27.000 the Magic Show. What's it called. It's Dave the Dave 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:33.279 Chappelle's Chappelle Show, Magic, the Dave Chappelle Magic Show. That's me. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.599 That is me in my hometown right here, in your hometown. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.320 Right How many people can say I have had the 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.760 Dave Chappelle Magic Show in my local library. I'm having 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:49.840 a hot flash speaking of David, Sir, Dave of Chappelle, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.440 how's he doing? Your buddy? Here's my buddy. Yeah, I 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.080 don't even know. I've heard from an years I was 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.680 on Hello, That's a big deal. Was that? Would you 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:03.680 call that one of your big brains? Uh? No, I 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.520 don't think. Do you, like, look back on your career, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.560 what was the moment you were like I can actually 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.040 do this and make a lot of money and be 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.560 really successful. You had to have it like a moment. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.360 The moment where I felt like I was like, oh 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.200 my god, I think I made it was when Peter Weller, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.320 who was directing an episode of Rush Hour, which is 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.400 this TV show, and I'm like, oh my god, RoboCop 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.760 is directing this episode and I'm going to be I 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.320 had a part on the show. I got cast and 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:28.880 I came in to meet him and he was like, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.080 oh my gosh, Michael Carbono, I love your show. And 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:36.320 I was like, my show, that's really cool. I was like, whoa, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.840 I have like a name in Hollywood, like he knows me. 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.240 That was it And I had already had the show 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:43.200 for years, but it was but it was just that 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.360 because it was the two worlds kind of coming together. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.000 I was like kind of in this little, you know, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.000 bucket of doing the TV show, and then there was 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.160 also my like Hollywood, you know, acting roles that were 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.160 like on hold in a different bucket. So when I 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.640 came back to that and he knew that and I 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.080 kind of realized that crossover, it was really essently he 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.640 said my last name came out of his mouth. It 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.640 wasn't like, oh, oh yes, right, I've heard of you. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:06.760 It was like, Michael Carbonaro, I love your show. I 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.480 was like, whoa, that's a moment that was there. Yeah, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.760 that's a moment for sure. So piggybacking off of what 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.600 you just said, like you have different worlds, right, like 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:21.440 you know, I'm okay, Well, I can't do it. I'm 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.800 gonna stop trying. Let's keep going down your journey. Right, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.880 So you had that big moment you finally realize this 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:35.280 is really real? Right then? Why? Yeah? And I still 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:38.839 I still don't know if I quite really, but people 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.240 recognize you everywhere, I'm sure. So you go from one 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.640 day having this great show, because I mean, at the 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:47.080 end of the day, there's a lot of people with 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.720 great shows, but unfortunately it's really hard to make it 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.760 on television. But you have, right, So do you know, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.520 like when you're saying that, I'm even like, really, I swear, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.640 I'm just but going out on tour and seeing them 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.280 people at the meet and Green when they out and 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:01.839 they're talking about how much they love the show and 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.520 they watch it with their families and they've been watching 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.160 it for so long, and they're like naming things that 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.240 I've said, and I'm like, WHOA. I like starting to 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.800 really feel that what is sort of like a kind 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.840 of a cultural impact. And I'm like, you know, when 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.200 when I see the little kids who send me stuff 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.000 like my kid got into magic as you, I'm like, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.760 what that was me with Copperfield. So it really but 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.120 that's the thing that I really love about you too, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.560 is that you've kind of made I was contemplating not 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.160 even saying this because I didn't want you to think that. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.080 I think magic is not cool, but you've kind of 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.880 made it cool again, do you take offense to that, like, yeah, 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.800 it's great, Yeah I think that. Yeah, and it needs it. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.400 You've made it fun and cool and edgy. Magic has 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.640 a stigma for sure. And the thing about magic is 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.440 it is a little it is dorky, you know. And 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.679 there are a lot of bad magicians, much the same 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:54.280 as there are you know, bad everything, bad singers, bad 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.360 you know, artists, bad actors. But with magicians, a lot 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.960 of people kind of get their first their first impression. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:01.840 Like you don't see a magician all the time, so 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.480 like maybe someday you saw a magician performing, they were terrible, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.719 and then that's your view of magicians forever, because it's 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.160 just like how the terrible prejudice human brain works. But 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.560 like you know, there have been some magicians along the 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.600 way they really have brought, you know, a level of artistry. 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.200 And but there's so many, so few there are so 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.920 can you name? I mean you can name, but I 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:26.000 can name maybe two who can you name? Is Chris Angel? 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.120 And what's the other guy? That? Just um, David Copperfield. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.120 That's it, right? And what do you when you think 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.599 of them, you think of them as what as Vegas performers, 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:40.360 Vegas performers, like literally, that's why I think unfiltered, like 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.560 like magical commercial faces, like when you think of like 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:49.160 famous famous modern musicians Michael Carboner, Right, thank you, that's 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.600 the only one. No, But seriously, like I think you're 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.520 really doing something very different and you've created your own 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.080 lane for yourself, Like I don't I can't compare you 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.679 to any other comedian or any other magician. Was there 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.559 a moment in your career because obviously right now you're 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.160 really really successful, but there had to be a day 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.120 that you were like, I don't think this is for me. 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.199 I want to quit because it's a brutal industry. Like 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.960 it's not easy, especially when you're creating your own brand 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.079 or lane. Nobody knows what to think of you or 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.360 what bucket to put you in every other day. Really, 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.840 that's an honest answer. Yeah, I could never get away 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.200 from it because I love performing and when I'm on 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.880 stage and I'm like having that vibe with the crowd 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.559 and shooting energy out and it's shooting back and it 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.480 turns into that perfect kind of show where we're on 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.520 a ride together. I go like complete zen, and I'm 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.200 like this, I never want to do anything else in 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.880 my entire life. So you know, I fantasize about like 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.360 hiding on Vermont and like painting contact lenses because you know, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.520 they still paint contact lenses for the movies, Like those 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.000 horror contact lens are still hand painted, and I'm like 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.440 obsessed with contact lenses and like how they paint them 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.199 for the movies. Um, And I'm like, I'm going to 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.320 hide in Vermont and lead the business and just paint 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.160 contact lenses. Why do you want that? Because it's too 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.280 chaotic or because it's overwhelming or there's a shitty day. Well, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.559 what's the reason behind wanting to hide away? Yeah, all 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.120 of those things have come into play with wanting to 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:14.760 hide away, and and maybe even the momentum has gotten No. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.240 I came into doing the show and having this fame 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.200 way after I had already accepted that it wasn't going 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.160 to happen. Really, like I really finally was like I 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.400 moved out to l a wanted to be an actor. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.040 Came out to l A from New York to just 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.439 kind of drop magic and really focus on acting. But 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.400 then I got into the Castle, and you know, then 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.160 I was on the Tonight Show and that Magic became big, 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.760 and then I was on the Tonight Show, he says, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:43.439 So casually Magic was being on the Tonight Show, and 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.080 Magic sort of just started working in a way that 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.280 was great. And but before that I had come out 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.760 to l I was getting guest stars on different TV shows, 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.960 and I was married. I wasn't married yet, but I 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.440 was with my husband, my now husband, but we had 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.800 been together for almost seven years. And I was like, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.679 I kind of had that mental moment where I was like, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.880 you know, we're just living in an apartment. He's an actor, 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.000 I'm an actor. I'm like, I like this life. Like 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.680 if I don't ever get anywhere else other than this, 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.680 this is awesome. So you're willing to be like, I 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.079 don't care if it doesn't work out a lot of 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.480 my life. That's a good place to they say, that's 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.240 when when you kind of surrender, that's when it all happens. Yeah, 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:22.679 And I think I was able to make a lot 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.199 of decisions because there was like, you know, the popularity 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:26.880 me being on the Tonight Show and what I was 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.400 doing was like I got a lot of offers in 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.880 a lot of different directions of like to have my 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.800 own show. It's a big deal. Yeah, it was huge. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.000 But I was able to say no just to a 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.960 lot of things that I definitely had to say no 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.160 to that Like five years earlier, I would have been like, sure, great, 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:43.720 let's do it right now, Let's do it no matter what. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:44.960 But I'm like, no, I don't think I'm gonna have 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.960 control enough on that, or I don't think that's going 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.240 to happen right. Let me just and nothing else on 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.080 the table. I'd be like, no, but that's not it. 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.280 That's such a good place to be because I feel 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.760 like they know when you're desperate, you know, yeah, yeah, 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.800 you can feel it and smell it and taste it 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:11.280 and feel it so refreshing. Again, where do we go 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.520 from here? Okay, so I want to know how you 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:15.680 got your show. Tell me about the moment you got 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.080 that phone call, because I had to be surreal. I know, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.560 I know, I'm it's like there, I think you're assuming that. 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.040 It was like, oh my god, I got a show 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.240 kind of a moment. It was a lot different than that. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.880 It was very like I had already all right, So 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.480 when I'm when I was on the Tonight Show, I 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.880 was doing these segments of hidden camera magic, and each 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.560 one of them was about, you know, four minutes long, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.400 and putting them together was brutal. It was really hard 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:38.880 to come up with that kind of material that was 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.000 gonna work and fly and be able to tape and 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:42.160 put it on the show. And every time I had 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.960 to do a new segment, it was like Fregey to doodle, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.920 Holy Di Coke, How am I gonna stop it? Really? Again? 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.240 It was really hard to make those segments. So when 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.880 it came to be that it was going to be 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.920 a TV show of this ILK, I was immediately like, 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.000 how am I possibly gonna make like a number of 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.400 episodes of this kind of material? This is going to 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.320 be really hard. And so when we were going to 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.360 do the pilot of the show, it was called like, 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.160 you know, the pilot was happening, and I was excited, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:14.960 but I was also like, how am I gonna pull out? 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.200 How am I going to get and and shooting the pilot? 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.000 How am I going to make enough materials to do 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.800 this pilot. Is it gonna work? Is it gonna work 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:25.600 as a TV show? And shooting the pilot pilot full episode, Yeah, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.440 it all, it all kind of like it all overlapped, 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:29.840 like it was like, you know, True TV was like, 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.400 let's have you do a pilot and see what happens. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.400 But before we even aired the pilot, they triggered thirteen 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:39.960 more episodes. Yeah, well yeah, but like a hundred meetings 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:44.920 later probably right, no, no, no, So you've got it kid, 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:50.520 Thanks ma'am, Thanks miss I. The shooting the pilot was 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.760 a brutal, awful, horrible, probably the worst week of my life. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.200 I had a horrible time in Georgia shooting. It was 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:00.520 just tumultuous, so much pressure, just everyone's wondering if it's 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.840 gonna work, including me probably more than anyone else. And 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.440 I hated it. And I was like calling Peter, my husband, 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.480 like every day and I'm like, this is terrible. I 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.160 don't ever want to do this. This is just not 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:13.600 so was it just the pressure? Did you not like 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:18.000 were you did you have creative control in anyway? Oh? Tons, Yeah. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:19.800 They were really great with that. I mean it was 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.320 they really saw what I was doing, and we're like, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.280 do you keep doing that? You know, like so, but 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.520 but but and it looked it's like a long road 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.720 too simple with anything, right, Like with anything, it's a 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.640 really long hard road to make a very simple thing. 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.480 And when it's done, it just looks clean and easy 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.920 and simple. And especially because I'm doing tricks that look 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.640 really simple, someone comes in with their cell phone and 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.280 I shake it and like you know, a bug flies 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.480 out of their cell phone and they're like, oh bug, cellphone. Easy. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:44.960 He could do it. He's a magician. And you're like 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.520 that took forever to figure that out and come up 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.160 with it and then figure out how to you know, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.960 like it's tricks I've never done before. So each moment 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:56.360 was it was tough. It wasn't like just writing lines 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.920 memorizing them in comedy, like the manipulation that went along 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.320 with it, the concept. So now it's you're in a way, 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.240 you're acting like you're totally acting, not even in a way. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.720 But then there's comedic timing too. It's not just like 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.520 you were doing everything, every everything, everything has to come 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.119 in with like the complete reality for that person that 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.960 this is actually happening. By the way encounter. How do 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.199 some of these people believe this stuff? Like there was 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.840 a one that a fish came out of a fish 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.119 stick or something, and I was like, how does she 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.320 actually believe that? She was like inspecting is any of this? 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:31.680 We I won't tell anyone. It's never been faked ever, 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.640 Always a real unsuspecting person being fooled by And all 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.840 bets are off with how I fool them, But they're 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.560 being fooled like I will fool them however I need to. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.520 But that is a real unsuspecting person. And you can 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:52.320 tell alive. No, I think it's moving around. We don't 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.760 want to be serving. I'm okay, I understood, understood, all right. 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:06.800 So they said it's a real fresh Yeah, shut the up, man, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.920 come on, are you kidding me? Come on? The thing 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.760 is freaking alive. I think that's a catfish. It's it's 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.840 like weaving them into it. It's like you can't and 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.040 we That's sort of the trick is how do you 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.800 do the tiny little thing you know that gets them like, 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.000 oh that's weird. And if that can happen, then the 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.439 bigger thing happens. Oh my god, now that happened, like 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.240 the fishick wiggles a little on the plate. You're like, 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.000 what did you see that move like that? That is 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.600 so weird? Why that move? And then you break it 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.080 and the fish comes out and I'm shocked right there 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.600 in front of you. You know it. Why wouldn't that 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.880 Initially you'd be like, what the hell? Has there ever 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:45.000 been a situation where it's backfired where somebody got pissed? 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.840 Or like, we've some of the pranks up and I 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.879 hate the word prank. Prank sounds mean you know, like 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.640 someb some of the yeah, the artistic illusion set ups, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.520 some of the tricks. Some of them will like if 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.520 we bring someone in who's like some of them, I like, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.160 will hire people out from like a temp agency. We'll 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:06.520 call it be like, oh, can you have someone commit 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.720 and be a receptionist for me? And they'll committed a receptionist, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:10.000 and then this thing just has to have, you know, 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.000 starts to happen and then I reveal like, oh, you know, 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.280 this was a show. And usually it's great, but sometimes 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.680 if you get that like like somewhere over forty year 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.040 old person who was like working at a temp agency 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.000 that doesn't want to be working at a temp agency 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.080 and now they're like putting in a situation where on 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:27.639 a TV show they're like I didn't want to be 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.480 on a TV show and you're like, got it, no problem. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.040 So then they don't sign and we don't know. So 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:35.920 it's just been talent basically, not nobody who you've I 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.480