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Speaker 1: Very exciting episode today. As I said last week, this

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Speaker 1: Kansas City native Rustin Dodd, writer for The Athletic, author

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Speaker 1: of a new book, I'm the pre eminent quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. That book is called Kingdom Quarterback. Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs and how a once swinging cow

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Speaker 1: my BFF professional better Simon Hunter. Heto soymon, Hello, Chad.

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Speaker 2: One hundred days, one hundred days from the Chiefs playing

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Speaker 2: at home, Brothers. So we're getting closer.

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Speaker 1: Perfect timing, right, That's how we got rust and on

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the Action Network YouTube page. Rustin Welcome. The

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Speaker 1: book is interesting because, like it would be easy for

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Speaker 1: you to say, all right, Patrick Mahomes, I'm in Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: I cover the Chiefs. It's time to write a book

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Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes as a biography and get her on

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Speaker 1: the shelves and make some bank. You went a little

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Speaker 1: bit further, you went a little bit deeper. Tell us

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Speaker 1: what you did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thanks, Ched, it's a good question. So I

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Speaker 3: want to recognize that I had a co author on

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Speaker 3: this book too, Mark Dent. But our I think we

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Speaker 3: really had two ideas. Mark and I are both from

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Speaker 3: And when we thought that the Chiefs were kind of

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Speaker 3: may be it's its most you know, significant export, it's

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Speaker 3: the second thing too, is you mentioned it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess we also thought, like a straight biography of

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, like it felt a little premature, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: so we know how how great this quarterback is. We

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Speaker 3: I think trying to sort of write any sort of

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Speaker 3: right now, it just felt maybe like it would be

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Speaker 3: So that that was sort of what we zeroed in on,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, people don't know this a fabulously famous, romantic,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean this. We don't tell this story

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Speaker 3: being the phones being bugged, and that's how the skimming

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Speaker 1: Simon, I don't even know this. But the reason I

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Speaker 2: Was gonna say, you came out, I left you with

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Speaker 1: You know how I know. One of the most interesting

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Speaker 1: because in the nineteen fifties, early nineteen fifties, fifty to

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Speaker 2: You know how they knew all about that though, because

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Speaker 2: they used all these people's contacts in World War Two,

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Speaker 1: So Keithaber then has these hearings and this is fifty

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Speaker 1: the the local restaurants are running rackets. Everybody is sort

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Speaker 1: admitted to and agreed to and corroborated a lot of

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Speaker 1: what Keithaber had found. No joke. Ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 1: Keith Abre became like a national hero because of this.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, Rustin My favorite story involving gambling in Kansas City

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Speaker 3: is that Defense had bugged the local mafia hideout in

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Speaker 3: And that was literally why how they were able to

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Speaker 3: I mean, the story has been romanticized over the years.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, Prime Boss isn't gambling. That's always a good time,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this absolitely happened fifty three years ago. Everything's changed now, Simon.

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Speaker 1: was all underground, and today it's all above ground, but

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Speaker 1: the circumstances and the connections are obviously significantly more sort

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Speaker 3: I know. No, definitely, definitely it's as wild.

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Speaker 1: So do you think Kansas City's resurgence happens in concert

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, uh, I'm from Chicago. And we

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing for Kansas City. That's how it's evolved.

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Speaker 2: I think in Kansas City, you guys are so unique

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Speaker 3: It's a great question, so I think I mean complicated answer,

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Speaker 1: Take us back twenty twelve, Givon Delcher tragically kills his girlfriend,

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Speaker 3: I mean, so I think it really that story I

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Speaker 3: were able to to kind of uh beat the Arizona

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Speaker 3: Cardinals to kind of the punch. They were also very

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Speaker 3: interested in Andy Reid, and so I think Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: just he offered stability, right They obviously they had some

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Speaker 3: decent players on defense, and then they went out and

435
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Speaker 3: they traded for Alex Smith, who also brought sort of

436
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Speaker 3: this level of competency, this level of stability, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I think if there's one thing about Andy Reid that's

438
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Speaker 3: maybe his biggest you know, trait, I guess it's just

439
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: his stability, his consistency, his you know, he's obviously one

440
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Speaker 3: of the best you know, play designers in NFL history,

441
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: one of the best offensive minds. But when it comes

442
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 3: to like the skills that make him a really good

443
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Speaker 3: head coach, I think it's beyond just the offen and

444
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: I think it's just that sort of stability that he

445
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Speaker 3: offers an organization. The Chiefs really needed that, and so

446
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: you saw that from you know, twenty thirteen, fourteen, fifteen sixteen,

447
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: they get back into the playoffs. Alex Smith is sort

448
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Speaker 3: of you know the classic kind of you know, is

449
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Speaker 3: he the eighth best quarterback in the league, is he

450
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Speaker 3: the tenth best, is the twelfth best, whatever, it doesn't matter,

451
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Speaker 3: but he's good enough to get a team to the

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Speaker 3: playoffs during his prime. And during that year they really

453
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Speaker 3: did set sort of a foundation, sort of a base

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Speaker 3: for the organization, and so you know, they they drafted

455
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Speaker 3: pretty well, you know, all things considered, they you know,

456
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Speaker 3: they built up the roster and I think by the time,

457
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Speaker 3: you know, they were ready to pull the trigger on

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Speaker 3: a quarterback, which they thought about drafting a quarterback in

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Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. You know, there's a story where they almost

460
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 3: were really looking hard at Paxton Lynch, you know, think

461
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Speaker 3: about how the NFL history would have changed if they

462
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Speaker 3: draft him, but they didn't, and so by twenty seventeen

463
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 3: they were, you know, they were really looking for a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: And that was the year where you know that there's

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Speaker 3: a whole story about Brett Veach, the GM who before

466
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: he was a GM, kind of falling in love with

467
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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes during the draft process. And I think that

468
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Speaker 3: marriage of just you know, Andy Reid and a team

469
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Speaker 3: that had been sort of built up to win, and

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Speaker 3: then you know, bringing in Patrick Mahomes and then even

471
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Speaker 3: sitting him for a year, it ended up being kind

472
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Speaker 3: of the perfect formula. I think. I think it's you know,

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Speaker 3: our book is not you know, it's necessarily a lesson

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Speaker 3: on like NFL team building or or anything like that.

475
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Speaker 3: But I think there are some lessons to be gleaned

476
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Speaker 3: from it, which is, you know, obviously the value of

477
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: a young quarterback, but also just the value of organizational

478
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: sort of stability and like a foundation before you before

479
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: you get to the quarterback that I think that the

480
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Speaker 3: Chiefs can prove to prove that, like, yeah, yeah, you

481
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Speaker 3: need a quarterback, you need a franchise court if you

482
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Speaker 3: want to compete for super Bowls, But sometimes the situation

483
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: that you put that quarterback in is just as important

484
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: or close to as important, I guess, I would say.

485
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Speaker 3: And then the Chiefs sort of prove that with what

486
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Speaker 3: they were able to offer Patrick Mahomes. You know, I

487
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 3: think people have always wondered, like, what would Patrick Mahomes

488
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: have been like if he doesn't go to the Chiefs,

489
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Speaker 3: you know, like what if the Chicago Bears picked Mitch

490
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: Trubisky saying draft what if he goes there? You know,

491
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Speaker 3: is he Patrick Mahomes? And I think my gut instinct

492
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Speaker 3: is yes he is. But he doesn't have the like

493
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: his career has almost gone pitch perfect to this point. Right,

494
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: he throws fifty touchdown passes. The first year as a starter,

495
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 3: he wins the Super Bowl, and his second year as

496
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: a starter, he's won two MVPs. He's got three Super Bowls,

497
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: he's twenty eight years old, Like that probably doesn't happen

498
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Speaker 3: if he goes to the Bears, you know, like the

499
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: narrative looks different, like the path looks different. I think

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Speaker 3: he still gets to that, you know, like that level

501
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Speaker 3: that he's at because I think the talent is undeniable.

502
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Speaker 3: But I think that the situation and like the that

503
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: he was put in has allowed him to have, you know,

504
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: like a career that if you look at it right now,

505
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Speaker 3: where you could say like, oh, like you know, it

506
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: may not be likely, but like he really could, you know,

507
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 3: you know, have a Tom brady S career when you

508
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: when you think of the Super Bowls and the MVPs

509
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Speaker 3: and and the longevity, like just on the pace that

510
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Speaker 3: he's on.

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Speaker 1: Clarification since the Bears trading up to draft Miss Rubisky

512
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Speaker 1: and ignoring Patrick Mahomes is a regular theme on this show,

513
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Speaker 1: I would just say very likely Patrick Mahomes and the Bears.

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Speaker 1: At this point in his career, He's thrown for sixty

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Speaker 1: touchdown in a season, he's won five consecutive Super Bowls,

516
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Speaker 1: and even though he hasn't played for ten years, he's

517
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: probably the MVP of the league at least ten times.

518
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the likely scenario. So I disagree

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Speaker 1: with you there, Rustin. It is kind of amazing though,

520
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Speaker 1: Like that's a pivotal moment for two marquee franchises. The

521
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: Bears trade up to draft Mitch Trubisky. They are now

522
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Speaker 1: on their third top eleven first round quarterback in Caleb Williams,

523
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Speaker 1: including mister Trubisky in the last what seven years, And

524
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is going to go on to be better

525
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Speaker 1: than Tom Brady and has already achieved more than maybe

526
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Speaker 1: all but four quarterbacks in NFL. That is a remarkably

527
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Speaker 1: right choice. What were the pivot points in the end

528
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Speaker 1: that got the Chiefs there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it's funny you mentioned the Bears.

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Speaker 3: You know Patrick Mahomes senor I think he's he's been

531
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Speaker 3: on the record saying that the Bears told Mahomes that

532
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Speaker 3: they were going to draft him. That's Mahomes is clarified,

533
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: that's not actually what they said. But in Mahomes left

534
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 3: the meeting before the draft with the Bears thinking that

535
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Speaker 3: they loved him, like they really flattered him in the meeting,

536
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Speaker 3: and they left him with the impression that like if

537
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Speaker 3: the Bears were going to take a quarterback, then maybe

538
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Speaker 3: it's going to be me. And so I think Mahomes

539
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: is always you know, there's been when they played the Bears.

540
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Speaker 3: I think he was there was I always get these

541
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Speaker 3: stories mixed up, but there was the one game where

542
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Speaker 3: he was counting on his fingers. I think I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure if that was the Bears game or another team

544
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Speaker 3: that passed on him, but there was. There's been some

545
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Speaker 3: moments like that. I think he has feelings towards the

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Speaker 3: Bears about how the draft, the message that they gave

547
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Speaker 3: him before the draft. But in terms of the Chiefs,

548
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Brett Veitch the GM now, but

549
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: at the time was sort of a you know, a

550
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 3: kind of just a pro personnel guy, kind of an

551
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: assistant GM looking at Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech and

552
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: he just fell in love with him on the tape,

553
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Speaker 3: and I think, you know, it's easy to maybe you know,

554
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: look back and think like, why didn't anybody, you know,

555
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 3: why didn't people think this? What did people miss? And

556
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: I think, you know, they they missed the fact that

557
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: he was playing at Texas Tech, so people maybe felt

558
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: like there was a bias towards like, all right, he's

559
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: putting up big numbers, but that's not that unusual. And they,

560
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: you know, there was a little bit bias towards They're

561
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: not really like winning. And then I think the biggest

562
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: bias towards Patrick Mahomes are biased against him, I guess

563
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: I should say, was that he had really bad mechanics.

564
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: Like he he really was raw, you know, like he

565
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: didn't really start playing quarterback as a full time until

566
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: his junior year of high school. Then he, you know,

567
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: has incredible numbers in Texas. Texas Tech falls in love

568
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: with him. They bring him to love it. He puts

569
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: up huge numbers, but like if you watch the tape,

570
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: he's he's kind of all over the place, right, So

571
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: like his you know, his arm angles kind of all

572
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: over the place. It's very inconsistent. His footwork oftentimes it

573
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: was like terrible. And Brett Beach is watching the tape,

574
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: and I think, instead of thinking like, wow, this guy's

575
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: footwork is pretty bad, he's thinking he was thinking like, well,

576
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: this guy's incredible and his footwork is terrible. Like what

577
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: happens if you actually give this guy just like a

578
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: little bit of coaching and like tighten some things up.

579
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Speaker 3: And so I think instead of thinking in terms of like,

580
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: you know, the the what does this guy like do well,

581
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: I think, I don't know, there's maybe a lesson about

582
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: the traits that you need and you know, all those

583
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: sort of things. And anyway, I think that the Chiefs

584
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: they fell in love and they they at the perfect

585
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: time and went up and traded for Mahomes. I mean,

586
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: there's lots of stories the Saints. Sean Payton's on the

587
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: record he he loved Patrick Mahomes and the draft. Bruce

588
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: arians has said the same thing. But the Chiefs were

589
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: the only team that went up and got him in

590
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Speaker 3: the draft, and I think they just there they were

591
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Speaker 3: convicted that they that they had the right guy. And

592
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think there's maybe you know, some

593
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: lessons too about just the Patrick Mahomes the person and

594
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: the makeup and you know, he he grew up. We

595
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: write about this in the book, but he's kind of

596
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: has a fascinating childhood in terms of uh, you know,

597
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: like you you look at him and he sort of

598
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: look at this generation of like stars who were sons

599
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: of professional athletes, and you can say, well, he's got

600
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: the jeans. He grew up his his father was professional

601
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 3: baseball player, so like all throughout his life, Patrick Mahomes

602
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: just sort of expected that he was going to be

603
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: a professional athlete like that. That was just like sort

604
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: of people thought it was gonna be baseball, but like

605
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: that was sort of his mindset as a kid, Like, oh,

606
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: it is not an unusual thing at all. You know,

607
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: he hung around with you know, major league clubhouses and

608
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: Alex Rodriguez and like was exposed to that life. He

609
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: just sort of that's kind of what he thought his

610
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: life would be like. But the other thing is that

611
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: he also grew up in East Texas, sort of in

612
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 3: this sort of small East Texas town. Like East Texas

613
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: is a lot different than Dallas, or it's a lot

614
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: different than Houston. You know, it's a different vibe. It's

615
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: a little bit more southern. It's just like you're kind

616
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 3: of out there in the middle of nowhere. And I

617
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: think because he was so late to football and he

618
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: had spent so much time playing baseball that when it

619
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: came to football, I think he felt like he had

620
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. Like

621
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: Texas Tech was the only school that wanted to recruit him.

622
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: The only Power five school I should say there was

623
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: like Rice and Houston and those kinds of schools were

624
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: kind of interested, but Texas Tech was the only Power

625
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: fives school. You know, Texas didn't want him. You know,

626
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: he wasn't like an elite eleven kind of quarterback who

627
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: was preordained as the next big thing when he's a

628
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: sophomore in high school. So he simultaneously had this innate

629
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 3: confidence where he was like, all right, I'm going to be,

630
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, a professional athlete, while also having this thing

631
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: that was really really driving him, which is that he

632
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 3: was late to football and that he had to sort

633
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: of prove himself. And I think that combination and along

634
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: with some other things that you just you can't know

635
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: from just scouting a kid. But like, you know, the

636
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 3: smart guy, he's got a photographic memory. He retains things

637
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: like he could probably tell you every play he's ever

638
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: had in football, like you know, down to you, like

639
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: the minute detail. He's kind of like one of those

640
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: guys I think. You know, Steph Curry I think has

641
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 3: a similar I've read stories about him having a similar

642
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: sort of photographic memory. And so you add all that

643
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: in together, and I think that's where he's the separator,

644
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: is right, So the physical tools, but those kind of

645
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: combinations of things I think are what separate Patrick Mahomes

646
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Speaker 3: from from his peers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and definitely I know Chad beats himself up always

648
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: about the Bears thing, but just that draft in general,

649
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: you look at it, no one saw this coming, just

650
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: because you had about a ten year run there of

651
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: all these guys being drafted out of the Big Twelve

652
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: playing those spread offenses that just weren't good, right. It

653
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: was just because no one played defense in that conference.

654
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: And that's why you know, I gave I understood their

655
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: excuse why they didn't really want to take them. But again,

656
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: the Cleveland who had been tanking for years, passed on

657
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: him to take a d N Jacksonville, who never had

658
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback, passed on him to take Leonard

659
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: Fournette at the fourth pick overall. And the Mahomes think,

660
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: to me, will always be I mean, your GM talked

661
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: about they watched the game where Texas Tech was losing

662
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: by forty points and Mahomes was out there getting killed,

663
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: getting crushed, like his offensive line couldn't block anybody, and

664
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: he was still standing in the pocket making amazing throws downfield,

665
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: and he said he sent that to Andy Reid and

666
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: he was like, can you believe that this kid isn't

667
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: being talked about? Like, can you believe that we were

668
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: able to get this kid? And that was one of

669
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: my favorite stories about that where it's like they saw

670
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: what we couldn't see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that was they played LSU in a

672
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: bowl game when Mahomes was a sophomore, so he wasn't

673
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: draft eligible yet, but Brett Beach was watching the game.

674
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: He was looking at some other guys and you know

675
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: LSU had Leonard Fournette and you know, like NFL players

676
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: all over the field.

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00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Honey Badger.

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00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and Mahomes was, you know, like he was

679
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: like keeping his team in the game, you know, like

680
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: relatively speaking, but like was making plays against you know,

681
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: future NFL guys. And that was the moment where Brett

682
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: Veach you know, started pestering Andy Reid. And you know,

683
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 3: there's a funny story where Brett Veach, you know, he

684
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: was on him from that moment and then the next season,

685
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: So the twenty I guess six teen season, heading into

686
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Speaker 3: the twenty seventeen draft. He keeps sending Andy Reid all

687
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: these clips and that's you know, that's the famous story,

688
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: and he's sending them, he's sending him. Finally Andy Reid

689
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: has to tell him like just like chill a little bit.

690
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: And then after the season, Andy Reid like gets the

691
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 3: first I don't know, some mock draft that he pulls

692
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: off the internet, and I mean I'm not sure what

693
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: to where it was from, but you know, CBS, ESPN, whatever,

694
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: some some mock draft he's got on his desk. He

695
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: calls Brett Vichan and he's like this, I see this

696
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: mock draft, like your boys not even in the first round.

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00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 3: Uh like where? Like what about? What about that guy?

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00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 3: And I mean that's the other thing. I mean, Patrick

699
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Speaker 3: Mahmes was.

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Speaker 2: I had Watson higher than him. I'll be the first

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Speaker 2: to admit it, like I did. I mean, Watson was

702
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: more proven at the time, right.

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Speaker 3: He obviously climbed a lot during the free draft process,

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Speaker 3: but heading into that, you know, around the combine right

705
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: before that, he was sort of graded as a second

706
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 3: or third round pick. I mean he was young too, right,

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Speaker 3: so he was only sad three years at Texas tex So,

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00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 3: he was a young junior, but yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 3: was even at that moment, I think people kind of

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Speaker 3: saw him as sort of this freakish sort of quarterback

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Speaker 3: talent that would need some time to develop.

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Speaker 1: is active. So it's interesting you mentioned Steph Curry in

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Speaker 1: our pre show we were talking about Mahomes feels like

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Speaker 1: a superstar who is so supremely confident in his skill.

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Speaker 1: He's very comfortable sharing the spotlight.

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Speaker 2: He's texting his wife after that Raiders game when they

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00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 2: get embarrassed that they're about to go win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy has the highests.

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Speaker 1: He's got the highest confidence, right. But you know, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys like Staf Curry. He was totally

741
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: fine bringing in Kevin Durant and sharing the spotlight and

742
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: sharing the court and sometimes deferring to him. Patrick Mahomes

743
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: seems like the guy who is very comfortable sharing the

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00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: spotlight with Travis Kelsey, who brings people in. Like there's

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00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: a combination of his talent and his demeanor that you

746
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: point out that I think elevates him probably further than

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Speaker 1: someone who might have equal talent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've watched a lot of Patrick Mahomes

749
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: press conferences in the last five years, you know, postgame interviews,

750
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 3: you know, like hours and hours of him answering questions.

751
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: You know, I can't remember him ever not saying the

752
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: right thing. And you know, granted, a lot of it

753
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: is like unless you're referee, well that I will say.

754
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: That is the one, you know, the one slip up

755
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: he's had and people still talk about it in Kansas

756
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: City is him yelling at the referees and then even

757
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: telling Josh Allen after the game like I can't believe

758
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: a horrible call or whatever. And and I guess it's

759
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: the exception that proves the rule because literally the next day,

760
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: you know, Patrick Mahomes like apologized in the press conference

761
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 3: and was like, yeah, I'm really sorry to Josh Allen,

762
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: you know, like I felt bad about that and what

763
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: But what I was going to say was, you know,

764
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 3: a lot of it you could say it's it's media training,

765
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: it's you know, you know, we shouldn't put too much,

766
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: you know, like stock into just press conference interviews. But

767
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: I think it speaks to Patrick Mahomes something about his

768
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: kind of his own personality in the sense that he

769
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: like I think he puts time thinking into what he

770
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: wants to say. I think he thinks like almost like

771
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 3: a politician mine or something like he prepares himself for everything. So,

772
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: you know, like when Harrison Butker situation comes up recently

773
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: and he knows he has to answer questions he wants

774
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: to say, like, all right, how do I answer this

775
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 3: in the most thoughtful way possible that you know, can

776
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: can say what I want to say, well also saying

777
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: what the team will want me to say, And you know,

778
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: like all these sort of things. And I think he

779
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: just thinks on a higher level when it comes to

780
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And I you know, where does

781
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 3: it come from? I mean, I guess you know where

782
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: does any where does that ever come from? I guess

783
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: you know, it's his upbringing, it's his parents, it's his like,

784
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: you know, the community in which he was raised. You know,

785
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: like all those sort of things. But it is pretty

786
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: remarkable how he never really slips up and is able

787
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Speaker 3: to say the right things.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, it's also remarkable how you mentioned Harrison Butker.

789
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: During the season, there was Taylor Swift stuff. The team

790
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: did not always perform well, they didn't have top flight receivers.

791
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Now their top flight receiver is getting in trouble not

792
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: sitting with him and Travis Kelcey at the MAVs game, Like,

793
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: how does he in the middle of all this not

794
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: let any of it impact him?

795
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a great question. I think he's able

796
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: to compartmentalize. I mean, that's one of his skills to

797
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, to have perspective, to compartmentalize, to not

798
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: show frustration that he probably when he does feel it,

799
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: he's able to more or less kind of suppress it

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00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: in the public eye. I mean you see like little

801
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: bits and pieces of it. I mean, there's a nickname

802
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: in Kansas City that I'm not sure if it totally fits,

803
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: but you'll get the idea that there's like a petty

804
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: side of Patrick Mahomes. People call him petty Patrick, and

805
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: you sort of see this bubble up from time to time,

806
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: especially on the field. You know, the way he you know,

807
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: like talks trash with players, or like the way he

808
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: holds grudges very Michael Jordan like the way I mean,

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00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: I know, you know a lot of big athletes hold

810
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: grudges and they use anything as motivation, but Patrick Mahomes

811
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: is able to, like I think he takes it to

812
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: like the Michael Jordan type level of bolding grudge.

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00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. He seems the kind of

814
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: guy that he remembers all those guys sticking ahead him

815
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: in the draft, and he kind of used that when

816
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: he first came to the league. So yeah, just before

817
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: obviously we let you go, we're talking Kansas City. We

818
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Speaker 2: got to know about the barbecue. What's your number one spot?

819
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you've grown up that you live there. Are

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00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: you going to go with what everyone knows or do

821
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: you have a local spot that not many people might

822
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: know about.

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00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you three names then. So the classic

824
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: if you want to like classic Kansas City barbecue, like

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00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: the full on experience, I would go to Arthur Bryant's.

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00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: So Arthur Bryants the original location is around like twenty

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Speaker 3: second Street. It's where the old Chiefs played. Their original stadium,

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00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: Municipal Stadium was like around the corner from that. That

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00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: is like the true kind of Kansas City barbecue experience.

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00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: If you want this sort of new generation experience, that's's

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Speaker 3: Joe's is. You know, the famous sports z Man sandwich.

832
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 3: It's in a gas station. That's where I think that's

833
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: probably the best pound for pound barbecue in Kansas City

834
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: is Joe's. Joe's case, But if you want to like

835
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 3: an under the radar pick, Elsie's is what I would say.

836
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 3: That's also kind of just a classic Kansas City barbecue spot.

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00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: It's kind of near the Chiefs Stadium Arrowhead Stadium. Now

838
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: you'll find yourself sort of in a place where you're like,

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00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: there's a restaurant here, but it has some of the

840
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Speaker 3: best barbecue in Americas. So yeah, Elsie's, Joe's and Arthur

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00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: Bryants would be my three picks, all right.

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