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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, December fifteenth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number eighty. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: This is The Break presented by Geico. We're lifing SWBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the start, Nick and I. We got

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Speaker 1: Dave and Amber on remote, and today we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the NFC East. We'll talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Jerry Jones and some comments that he

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Speaker 1: had this morning on our local station here one on

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Speaker 1: fan questions. We will spend lots of times here, lots

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Speaker 1: So let's start first, though, I want to talk a

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Speaker 1: made this morning. The first thing that stood out to

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Speaker 1: on his call with One on five Dout three the Fan,

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Speaker 1: saying that Mike McCarthy will return as the head coach

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Speaker 1: next season. My question for you guys, is there any

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Speaker 1: Let's start first with you, Nick, No, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: and I just think with everything involved now, he should

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think that it's not necessarily fair to

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Speaker 1: of get out of the way, Jerry. Let the football

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Speaker 1: people deal with this, like you meddle too much. But

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Speaker 1: The Break presented by Geico. We're gonna talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the NFC East. Right now, the Washington football

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Speaker 1: team sits atop the division at six and seven. The

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Speaker 1: New York Giants follow them up one game behind at

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Speaker 1: five and eight. Philadelphia is a game I mean I

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Speaker 1: half a game behind that at four eight and one,

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Speaker 1: and then Dallas sits in last place at four and nine.

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Speaker 1: You look at the rest of the teams that have

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Speaker 1: that they have to play across the division, and my

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Speaker 1: question for you guys is who do you think at

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Speaker 1: this point is the favorite to win the division. I'll

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Speaker 1: start with Unick Well, and nobody's playing better than Washington

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Speaker 1: right now. You know, I remember, going back about four

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, we said everybody's got something going for them.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys we thought had the better schedule, We thought

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Speaker 1: the Giants were playing the best. We thought the Eagles were.

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Speaker 1: They were in the lead at the time, and Washington

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Speaker 1: had the best defense. And Washington's defense is 's carrying

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Speaker 1: them to this point. Yeah, it's really good and their

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Speaker 1: offense has given them enough compliment, you know, playing complimentary football.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I think Washington has has the you know,

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Speaker 1: has the edge on this because not only do they

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Speaker 1: have the lead, but I think their schedule sets up

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Speaker 1: a little bit better now. If they tie the Giants, though,

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Speaker 1: the Giants will win. So that's that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: thing that's tricky. But you know, I'm it's just they

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Speaker 1: can they can still play the Eagles, knock them down.

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Speaker 1: They already have the tiebreak, you know, with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's got to be Washington. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I mean, after I thought it was between Giants and Washington,

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Speaker 1: but after last week and seeing some of the things,

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Speaker 1: the way that the Giants were playing, I mean, that

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Speaker 1: game was just a mess. So right now I'm just

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Speaker 1: leaning towards Washington. And I hate to say this, Derek,

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Speaker 1: you were right, apparently for once, you were right last

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Speaker 1: week with her opinion about Washington. So yeah, that's who

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Speaker 1: I am leaning towards the most right now. All right, Dave.

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Speaker 1: It's always it's always fun how this stuff swings from

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Speaker 1: week to week, though, And I mean I do agree,

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Speaker 1: but Washington has to play Seattle this week. And so

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Speaker 1: you know, all of that positive momentum could come to

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Speaker 1: a halt this weekend if they don't play really well

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Speaker 1: against Seattle. But the Giants have the Giants have Cleveland

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Speaker 1: and Baltimore before they get Dallas, So I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that's pretty tough. So even if even if Washington loses

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Speaker 1: this weekend, I still feel like I like their odds

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Speaker 1: to get two or three win, you know, to get

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Speaker 1: too ends out of the three, because I think they

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Speaker 1: finished with Carolina and Philly those are obviously two not

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Speaker 1: very good teams. So and actually I'll steal a point

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Speaker 1: our Our friend and producer Kaden Gates made this point

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Speaker 1: to me yesterday on a call Washington. If Dallas isn't

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Speaker 1: going to win the division, which it looks like they're not,

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Speaker 1: Washington needs to because Washington is a really good quarterback

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Speaker 1: away from being a scary, scary good team, and if

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Speaker 1: they win the division, they're probably not going to be

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Speaker 1: in position to draft a very good quarterback. So go ahead,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Washington, go win that division. Is put yourself

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Speaker 1: up in the twenties. Yeah, Kayden said that to me yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap, you're right. We gotta get

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Speaker 1: Washington out of the top ten. Yeah, the last thing

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Speaker 1: you want at this point is is Washington picking in

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Speaker 1: the in the top five, top eight in the in

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Speaker 1: the draft. Like there's a lot of there's what five

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this draft that are that have potential to

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Speaker 1: be in the first round. About they're gonna take that

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Speaker 1: defensive end from Miami you just stacked up. There's you know,

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna keep That would be kind of scary too.

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Speaker 1: That defense is just at that point it would be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's too many. Yeah, maybe I don't know, but but

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Speaker 1: I will say this, and I actually want to flip

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Speaker 1: this right back to you, Dave, because you mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: How much does the injury Alex Smith left their game

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Speaker 1: last week with an injury and he was replaced again

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Speaker 1: by Dwayne Haskins, who was the guy that started the

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Speaker 1: season for them, and I believe was not playing as

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Speaker 1: well at the quarterback position obviously as Alex Smith has

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Speaker 1: played here recently. How much do you think the injury

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Speaker 1: to Alex Smith, if it's a longer term injury, effects

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Speaker 1: Washington's ability to win this division? Dave, Well for starters,

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Speaker 1: the most recent word on the Street is that Washington's

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Speaker 1: optimistic that Alex Smith can play against Seattle, so we'll

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Speaker 1: see who knows. But honestly, and Alex Smith has played

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Speaker 1: better than Dwayne Haskins. Don't get me wrong. He gives

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Speaker 1: you a better chance to win. But I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think this the defense is what's taked. Like, if they're

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Speaker 1: gonna win, the defense is what's carrying them there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they scored. I think they scored twenty six points against

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Speaker 1: San Francisco the other day, and fourteen of that came

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Speaker 1: directly off of takeaways like our twenty three excuse me,

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Speaker 1: So they scored twenty three points and fourteen of it

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Speaker 1: came again, came off a Chase Young fumble return in

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Speaker 1: a pick six. So I don't you're not You're not

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Speaker 1: winning because of what your quarterbacks doing for you anyway.

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Speaker 1: I mean, shoot, they beat the Cowboys with Kyle Allen

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Speaker 1: back in October, so I obviously they'd prefer to have

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith. But it's it's really more about the defense

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Speaker 1: for me. Well, but I do think I will challenge

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Speaker 1: you a little bit. I do think that part of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why they made the switch in the first

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Speaker 1: place was because they weren't winning early in this same Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the defense was. The defense was playing just as well

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Speaker 1: early in the season, but Haskins wasn't able to take

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Speaker 1: those favorable fill position situations at the defense handed him

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Speaker 1: and turned them into points. And so I think in

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Speaker 1: a lot of respects, I think they made the switch

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Speaker 1: because they felt like they don't need a quarterback to

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Speaker 1: be great. They need a quarterback to not make the mistakes,

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Speaker 1: the critical mistakes, and I think that's what they found

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Speaker 1: in Alex Smith. Amber. I think that the fact that

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Speaker 1: they're talking about being optimistic about having him played this

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Speaker 1: weekend against Seattle makes me wonder like or think that

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Speaker 1: even if he's not good to go this weekend, he

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Speaker 1: will likely be ready for the last two weeks of

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Speaker 1: the season. So as of right now, that doesn't change

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Speaker 1: my pick. I think that they would be fine, and

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Speaker 1: I think based on what I'm reading and seeing, that

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Speaker 1: he might be back and to help them at least

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Speaker 1: for the last two weeks of the season. It's not fair.

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Speaker 1: It's not fair. It's not fair that I mean any

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Speaker 1: other year, if you got a guy that's been out

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Speaker 1: five years the way Alden Smith has and he comes

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Speaker 1: back and he leads this team in sacks and he's

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Speaker 1: doing what he's doing that is a shoe in for

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Speaker 1: comeback Player of the Year, and instead Alex Smith has

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Speaker 1: to come in and do that. He's gonna win it,

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Speaker 1: of course, And so that's just I mean, and he

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Speaker 1: deserves it. I mean, he deserves it as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if it comeback, they both them. I think they both

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Speaker 1: you know, should should get it, but you know it'll

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Speaker 1: probably go to Alex Smith. And if it does, I

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Speaker 1: think we have a feeling we probably know the word

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Speaker 1: that Alden Smith will say when that when that comes out.

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Speaker 1: All right, Um, so let's slip over to the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Does Jalen Hurts give Philadelphia a better chance than Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz Nicko? Let's start with you, Uh, I think so.

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Speaker 1: More than anything, it's it's they needed a change, they

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Speaker 1: needed a shot in the arm, and he's definitely given

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Speaker 1: them that. Now, I'll say this, and it's not just

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Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts. It's it's most running quarterbacks that aren't

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Speaker 1: considered to be polished passers. Yet you know, he's he's

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Speaker 1: a he's a running, agile quarterback. It takes some time,

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Speaker 1: but defensive coordinators typically try to find them out and

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Speaker 1: if and if you can stay at once step ahead

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Speaker 1: of them, and you know, and like Russell Wilson did,

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Speaker 1: like I think Lamar Jackson's going to continue to do.

587
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Speaker 1: But if not RG three, if you're something like that,

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Speaker 1: they get figured out. And Dad, and I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: Dak also he's not really a running, running quarterback, but

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Speaker 1: you know, he kind of stayed ahead of the game too.

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Speaker 1: So that's one thing that they're going to have to

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Speaker 1: do is teams will start to put some tape on

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Speaker 1: Hurts and go, all right, this is what we have

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Speaker 1: to do to him. But you know, he's a great athlete,

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Speaker 1: and I think he gives them. He gives them some

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Speaker 1: momentum right now, which is what they need. Amber. I

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Speaker 1: think that that make used the right word. They definitely

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Speaker 1: needed a change. They're a quarterback, and regardless of what

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Speaker 1: the outcome may be for this season, I commend them

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Speaker 1: for making the change at the time that they did

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Speaker 1: and willing to give Hurts a chance to go in

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Speaker 1: and play just to see what that even looks like.

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Speaker 1: Because right now, I mean, there was nothing new that

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Speaker 1: Wentz was gonna give you to make you change your

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Speaker 1: mind or your opinion of what he looks like right now.

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Speaker 1: So I think that I'm not saying, oh, now they're

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Speaker 1: gonna start winning games and all that, but I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: regardless of the outcome, a change with Native and obviously

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Speaker 1: that's the guy that they have rung out to use Dave,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find out in short order how good of

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Speaker 1: an idea it is, because I mean, Doug Peterson already

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Speaker 1: said he's going to start again against Arizona, and we've

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Speaker 1: seen that Arizona defense, but ourselves, they're pretty feast the coming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have Yeah, I'm gonna say I have a feeling

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Speaker 1: he's gonna see a lot of pressure from a lot

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Speaker 1: of different spots and I'm curious to see how he

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Speaker 1: holds up to it. Um yeah, everything they said. The

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Speaker 1: other thing though, is maybe I'm alone in this, but

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's too soon. It's too soon to

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Speaker 1: start this whole thing about like how do you get

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Speaker 1: rid of Carson Wins? How do you move on? Like

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Speaker 1: I just look at this as it's almost like you know,

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Speaker 1: when you know, sometimes the best pitcher in baseball goes

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Speaker 1: out and gets absolutely shell you know, you don't have

625
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: your curveball, and you just it's just a bad night.

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Speaker 1: And the manager comes out and he takes the ball

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Speaker 1: and he's like, you'll get him next time, buddy. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of how I feel about Carson Wentz. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll ever be great again, but

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Speaker 1: just take some time off, clear your head, calm down

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Speaker 1: like that. Dude's got to feel like the way of

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Speaker 1: the world is on his shoulders. He's probably banged up

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Speaker 1: because he's been banged up his entire career. Get healthy.

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Speaker 1: Philly should probably maybe hire a new oc or you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't been the same guy since Frank

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Speaker 1: Reich left for Indy, So find a guy he can

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Speaker 1: work with. I'm not convinced Carson Wentz's career is over,

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Speaker 1: but he just needs to like take some deep breaths

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Speaker 1: positive fan questions? Why will we do that? I was like,

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Speaker 1: why would we do that? Yeah? Are there any I

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Speaker 1: but what you got, well, let me let me hold on,

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Speaker 1: were gonna get to them for really, I'm just kidding. Um. No, okay,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about, you know, the whole debate between who

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Speaker 1: who needs to get more reps as far as Zeke

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Speaker 1: and Tony Potler. But I have a question here as

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Speaker 1: far as wife receivers. Do you guys like how the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are currently using Amari Cooper, Michael Gallup and City Lamb. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't have I don't know. I feel like every

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Speaker 1: I feel like every other week there's a you know,

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Speaker 1: somebody's like, why CD been on the sideline? This this,

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Speaker 1: this possession? What like what's going on? But for the

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Speaker 1: most part, especially considering the personnel issues on offense, I

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Speaker 1: don't have any problems. I mean, um, you know, I

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00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: think Mike had a rough game. I don't know. I

710
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Speaker 1: guess maybe it was against Pittsburgh. What was the game

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Speaker 1: or maybe was it in Baltimore. Yeah, yeah, But I

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Speaker 1: mean other than that, I know, I don't have any

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Speaker 1: problems with it. I think they've all been fine. You know.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I will say that I was that

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Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed, and it's not the receiver's fault.

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Speaker 1: I don't think is. I still thought that the deep

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Speaker 1: ball would still be a part of their offensive game plan,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem like it is. It doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: like they're taking nearly No, I didn't expect them to

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Speaker 1: take the number of shots that Dak takes. Like Dak,

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Speaker 1: it got really good with that deep ball, especially with

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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. They had a special connection. But if you

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Speaker 1: remember when Dak went down in the game against New York.

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton came out there and he connected on a

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Speaker 1: deep pass, and so my thought was, Okay, well, the

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Speaker 1: deep pass is still going to be a part of

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Speaker 1: what they do, and it just hasn't been. They haven't

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Speaker 1: done it quite enough. And I don't know, again, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's because they don't trust the protection

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Speaker 1: or they just you know, that's not something that Andy

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Speaker 1: just feels comfortable doing a lot of. But that's a

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Speaker 1: part of the of Michael Gallups game that I feel

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Speaker 1: like has been missing this year mainly because they just

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Speaker 1: haven't tried it. I agree. And the one knock I

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Speaker 1: think that I have on the receiver verse is that

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Speaker 1: they're all relatively similar in what they do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're they're not I wouldn't say they're the fastest guys

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Speaker 1: or they don't have the burners, and they're not the

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Speaker 1: guys that are gonna just break tackles, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So they all kind of do the same thing.

741
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Speaker 1: So yeah, if they're not going deep and they're not

742
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Speaker 1: really these great guys that are going to catch these

743
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Speaker 1: little hitch patterns and break five or six tackles for

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Speaker 1: a first down, you know, they're just kind of the

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Speaker 1: intermediate guys, and so I kind of wish you had

746
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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a difference in what they do.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, because I do think

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Speaker 1: they have some unique qualities about him. Like Michael Gallup,

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Speaker 1: I think is a guy that can get open downfield.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a guy that also can go up

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Speaker 1: and get contested balls at something we've seen him doing

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Speaker 1: his career. I think Ceedee Lamb is a guy that

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Speaker 1: has amazing, as we've seen and talked about, amazing ability

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Speaker 1: to contort his body and catch the ball at a

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Speaker 1: lot of different points around. You know, his radius is

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Speaker 1: really really good. So and obviously you talk about him

757
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Speaker 1: are he is, in my opinion, one of the best

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Speaker 1: route runners I may have ever seen. Like he can

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Speaker 1: run a really, really really Chris browt. So I do

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Speaker 1: think there are some things that you can look at

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Speaker 1: that you say create differentiation points for them, even though

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Speaker 1: you're right, none of them are necessarily burners. I just

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Speaker 1: want I know that, And that's where I was going

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Speaker 1: with that was it's just really just about the fact

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Speaker 1: you want a fast guy, you want to sprint out,

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Speaker 1: you want to forty guy. I want all right, Devin Dorne,

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Speaker 1: I ain't mad at you. I mean they had they

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Speaker 1: had that guy. His name was Terence Williams, and he

769
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Speaker 1: was like not a very consistent receiver other than I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the receiver that did he want to trip

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Speaker 1: a lot? He tripped a lot on his own. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying, I mean, I think I I think that's

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Speaker 1: where I thought she was going with that. But go ahead,

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Speaker 1: good day. I think you got. I mean you guys

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Speaker 1: got to like the offensive line is a thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, like it's it ain't good and and

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Speaker 1: I and I think, yeah, I think that is. That's

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Speaker 1: way more on the play calling of just not wanting

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Speaker 1: to risk having your guy blown up or have a

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Speaker 1: strip sack. Also, as we mentioned yesterday, Andy had Cooper

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Speaker 1: for sixty and a touchdown on Sunday, Like it was there,

782
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Speaker 1: he just didn't see him. So I would venture a

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Speaker 1: guest that those plays have been there on and off

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Speaker 1: throughout the season. A I don't think it's something they're

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00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: trying to dial up with the offensive line the way

786
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: it is, and be your quarterback's not as good. So

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Speaker 1: I think some of that is valid, But I just

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that I want to

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Speaker 1: put on the receivers. Yeah, And I said, like I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was a receiver issue. I think

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00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: this is either an offensive scheme issue or I think

792
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: it's a quarterback issue, one of the two. But yeah,

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00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: they got bigger problems than trying to get the ball down.

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00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Feel like they got much bigger problems offensively and defensively. Well,

795
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Speaker 1: speaking of bigger problems, I got a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: about the defense, and one of them is in regards

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Speaker 1: to Mike Nolan. This guy says that he had his success,

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Speaker 1: a decent success with the Saints as a linebackers coach,

799
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: and yet there are better linebackers here in Dallas when

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Speaker 1: you compare the two. Does that tell you that Nolan

801
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Speaker 1: may not necessarily be the right type of guy to

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Speaker 1: be a defensive coordinator and maybe more of a position

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Speaker 1: coach where he could be just better for starters a G.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is you or the question,

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Speaker 1: but Demaro O'Davis is better than any linebacker that plays here.

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Speaker 1: Which actually that was part of the reason that I

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00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: was excited about the higher as I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: Mike Nolan showed up around the time that demaro O'Davis

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Speaker 1: blossomed into this All Pro player. Maybe the Mike Nolan

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00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: had something to do with that. Maybe Mike Nolan will

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Speaker 1: help Leyton vander esh and Jalen Smith blossom into All

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Speaker 1: Pro players. And it has not happened in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: And that's the classic case of like, okay, like what's

814
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Speaker 1: coaching and what's talent? Like who should get the credit

815
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Speaker 1: for this? YadA, YadA, YadA. So it hasn't happened, and

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00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: it's really disappointing because the Saints have a very, very

817
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: very good linebacker and the Cowboys have a couple of

818
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: very talented linebackers, but they haven't really been playing like it.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why, but Mike Nolan doesn't

820
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: seem to have had a whole lot to help do

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Speaker 1: with helping them develop. Do you guys have anything else right,

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00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: because I David's the perfect guy to answer that. He

823
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: knows the Saints. You know, he knows them better than

824
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Speaker 1: you know. I didn't. I didn't know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I've ever heard of the Mario Davis. No, he

826
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Speaker 1: can play. I guess he's also their man of the

827
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Speaker 1: Year this year for the Saints. But it seems like

828
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Speaker 1: a very nice guy. I've never met him, but he's

829
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Speaker 1: also a hell of a freaking I usually don't just

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Speaker 1: blank on all pro players. He's an All Pro or

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Speaker 1: a Pro bowler. Yeah, he was All Pro last he

832
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Speaker 1: went to Arkansas State. He was if he went to Arkansas,

833
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Speaker 1: now we got a problem. I would have to turn

834
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Speaker 1: in a market, had to turn in all my stuff

835
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Speaker 1: with the Saints. Uh. The Saints signed him in free

836
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: agency a few years ago. He had Yeah, he had

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Speaker 1: a hundred tackles, four sacks, and a couple of picks

838
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: last year. Uh, he's he's he's a good player. Yeah. Yeah, Okay, Um,

839
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Speaker 1: people keep asking where is and Bradley and I I

840
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: got this answer, all right. I know, I know there

841
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: were some guys, um I the position coach he talked

842
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Speaker 1: about what who wasn't that did mentioned Reggie Robinson was

843
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Speaker 1: a Mike Nolan during his interview yesterday. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear, but but I'll tell you where Reggie

845
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Speaker 1: rob I know there was someone that talks about him.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you where he is not. He is not

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Speaker 1: on the special team's kick coverage team. That ball's going

848
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: through the end zone anyways, run down there, you might

849
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: have to go and make a play. But I thought

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Speaker 1: he was a special team sky. That's the one thing

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00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: that the guy should be able to do. Chris Westry

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00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: is out there, he's on that team. Yes, Chris Westree

853
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: wasn't even on the roster until the day before. So

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00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: why is Reggie Robinson night on there? So all this

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00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: talk about why can't he play defense and why can't

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00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: he play safety of your corner man, just start with

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00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: kiss coverage and that. So I'm putting this and I

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00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: don't know this. I'm putting this more on Reggie Robinson

859
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: right now that on any anything else. I don't It

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00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: just doesn't look like he is ready to play and contribute.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. That's shocking though, right I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're you're talking about a fourth round pick for him

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00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: not to even be a guy that you can figure

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Speaker 1: out in a season where you've had tons of injuries,

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Speaker 1: where you can figure out how to get him on

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00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: the field. That's shocking. You don't you don't want to

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Speaker 1: throw I mean, he's not living in Busville right now

868
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: because he's it's but he's he's in the suburbs. I mean,

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00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: it's too early to say that for a guy, but man,

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00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: you you got to be playing something here. This would

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00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: be a team. I mean, they w to play you,

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00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: they want to play him, and it's just not working.

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00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: So um, I don't know. I don't know what the

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00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: deal is with him. It's I mean it is. We

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00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: have He played one special team snap the other day,

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00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: by the way, that's all he did again Cincinnati against

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. And the Bengals, okay in a game where

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Speaker 1: they're down almost all their cornerbacks and a safety or

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00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: two like h oh oh. You know why because Westbury

880
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: got hurt. Westbury got hurt and at the end of

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00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: that he could played a couple snaps and he got

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Speaker 1: hurt and then they put him in to run down. Wow. Now,

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00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: and I go look at go ahead, dad, sorry, go

884
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: go look at the recent history of fourth round picks

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00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: by this team. Like in the McClay era, they get

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00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: production from fourth rounders on a regular basis, Like and

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00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about like Dak I'm not even

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00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: talking about Anthony Hitchins, who had to start because of

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00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: an of injuries, like Damien Wilson was like there am

890
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: and there you know, he had a sub package role.

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00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer was the starting punt returner as a rookie,

892
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 1: as a fourth round pick, Like you should be able

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00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: to get on the field as a fourth round pick.

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00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: I just it. But see really baffling. And yeah, concerning

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Speaker 1: as well, Hitchens and Dak changed that because for about

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00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: you go look about seven or eight years before that,

897
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: and it was really bad at fourth round. It wasn't.

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00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't until I think Hitchens and then Dak and

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00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: then it got a little bit better. But but it

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00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: was they were. They were struggling at that spot for

901
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: a long time. It's a tricky place in the draft,

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00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: it really is, especially the way they do it. Was

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00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: it's the first of the third day and Jerry called

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00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: it the war Daddy pick right now and you know,

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Speaker 1: the top of the fourth round, and you know, I

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00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: think it's just I don't know, I don't know. I

907
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: think people kind of reevaluate that they take reaches on

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00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: on guys that are falling, and but I don't I

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00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: just sha't know. The situation with with with Robinson, I'm

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00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: not sure what it is. But I'll answer the other

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00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: part of was their fourth rounder last year. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: so it's gotten better for sure, an I he's not

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00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: better than the guys in front of him, and he

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00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: got jumped over by Ron del Carter apparently Rondill Carter

915
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: is a player that they put in the game, and

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00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, but he's not better than Dor's armstrong. And

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00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: even when Griffin got traded, Gregory came in. So he

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00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: just hasn't been in the spot where he can where

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Speaker 1: he can contribute right now. I guess all right, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us. We'll be back tomorrow and marrow.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start getting into our prep for Cowboys versus

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers. We'll have Bucky Brooks on. He'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the forty nine Ers offense versus the Dallas defense.

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Speaker 1: Till then for Nick Eatman, Dave Helm and Amber Garcia.

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Speaker 1: I am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live

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