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Speaker 1: What's up? What's up? Another wonderful week. I'm feeling a
Speaker 1: bit more energized with it. You know. I just took
Speaker 1: a little trip back home to Savannah, so seeing old
Speaker 1: friends and fans and ship like that, it got a
Speaker 1: got a little pep in my step. Brothers feeling good
Speaker 1: about the ship right now, although I gotta say that
Speaker 1: downtown Savannah y'all should probably put some masks on. I mean,
Speaker 1: that ship is like there wasn't no pandemic and ship
Speaker 1: like niggas is just going around like that ship is
Speaker 1: all good. So miss Franco, what have you been up
Speaker 1: to since I took my Savannah sabbatical? So for me
Speaker 1: this week, it's an exciting week. Um, My partner and I,
Speaker 1: Paul Clays, who we've previously had on the show, found
Speaker 1: a place together on We're moving in uh in a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So that's super exciting and scary. But
Speaker 1: you know, UH, particularly as we approach the topic this
Speaker 1: week of UM housing, insecurity and homelessness. Um I just
Speaker 1: the journey we've been on as folks, you know, with
Speaker 1: who haven't lost much employment under COVID, just you know,
Speaker 1: decent credit scores, etcetera. The struggle for us to even
Speaker 1: find a place in a small town or you know,
Speaker 1: a small city of the size of Athens has been
Speaker 1: interesting and just had a lot of light for me
Speaker 1: personally on like how hard, yeah, how hard it is
Speaker 1: to find a place to live. How lucky we all
Speaker 1: are to have places to live if we do so.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I ended up doing when
Speaker 1: I was in Savannah for this past week was, you know,
Speaker 1: I lived there for fifteen years. You get to know people,
Speaker 1: you grow your social net, and you know, as sad
Speaker 1: as it is, there's certain homeless people whose faces become
Speaker 1: familiarity and you know, you're used to seeing them at
Speaker 1: the same spot, and I mean, depending on your personality,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes those people make it a bigger impact
Speaker 1: on you than others do. But they stay with you
Speaker 1: and they stay on your mind. And I moved out
Speaker 1: of Savannah right before COVID hit, so there was a
Speaker 1: lot of people that I would see around that I
Speaker 1: was just you know that I had continued to think
Speaker 1: about and just wonder how they were managing. Uh. Now,
Speaker 1: since COVID hit, Savannah has always had a you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it can be described as issue,
Speaker 1: but I think if one person is homeless as an issue.
Speaker 1: So I'll say Savannah has always had an issue with
Speaker 1: homelessness since I've lived there, and I just didn't imagine that, UM,
Speaker 1: COVID or the economic downturn helped that situation at all.
Speaker 1: So the Department of Housing and Urban Development is responsible
Speaker 1: for the annual almost assessed the reports and to OUs
Speaker 1: and fourteen UM they counted about a hundred They counted
Speaker 1: about one point five million homeless people. Two eighteen, they
Speaker 1: reported approximately point one seven percent of the population, or
Speaker 1: about five thousand people in the United States, are homeless
Speaker 1: on a given night. Several major cities, including New York
Speaker 1: and Los Angeles, have seen that skyrock out over the
Speaker 1: last three years to an almost increase. I think if
Speaker 1: you bounced the fact that we have millions of unoccupied
Speaker 1: homes all across UM the United States as those wrapping
Speaker 1: about a little bit last week, UM, I definitely get
Speaker 1: behind the arguments of the The issue is not um
Speaker 1: like needing more housing or meeting you know, so these
Speaker 1: solutions and problems that perhaps capitals when we have all
Speaker 1: these houses that no one's living in, all these people
Speaker 1: that have nowhere to live because they can't afford it,
Speaker 1: and um something think about every day is I like
Speaker 1: walk past the home of shelter right aund the corner
Speaker 1: from our house and think that, like a block up
Speaker 1: there's a luxury student high rise apartment complex that's probably
Speaker 1: a like capacity and people they used to be living
Speaker 1: in until they find enough tenants to like to rent
Speaker 1: those units at the market rates. But no um even
Speaker 1: to like get even to get like landlords, you know,
Speaker 1: like we have a program in Athens where like we'll
Speaker 1: pay people's rent for them if they're trying to get
Speaker 1: like permanent supportive housing, like the Housing Community Development Department
Speaker 1: will literally pay for people, will give people vouchers for rent,
Speaker 1: and landlords won't accept them because they are scared of
Speaker 1: the risks of housing formally unhoused people on their in
Speaker 1: their properties. And it's just such a such a closer
Speaker 1: to think about. Really, homelessness in this country is pretty
Speaker 1: much been a national issue since like the seventeen hundreds
Speaker 1: and ships and across that time, it's always been blunders
Speaker 1: and capitalism and the strains that they put on the
Speaker 1: economy that always add to the growing rate. And this
Speaker 1: is I mean, how far you want to take it back?
Speaker 1: You know, we can go back to the Great Depression,
Speaker 1: or you can go all the way to the financial
Speaker 1: collapse back and oh eight, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and everything in between and everything that happened after and
Speaker 1: everything's going to happen in the future. So that's what
Speaker 1: we're getting into. And today's episode, we're gonna dive into
Speaker 1: the problem homelessness and water causes, talk about santantial solutions,
Speaker 1: but we're currently being done now and how this issue
Speaker 1: has been dealt with in the space of hip hop
Speaker 1: but John and stereotypically gets highlighted for its excess and
Speaker 1: analyzing two songs uh Mr woodnow by the rest of
Speaker 1: development as well as what did all the cost by
Speaker 1: kind of Clamar also be talking with musician and speakers
Speaker 1: Zulu Jones of bands Zul the Profit about his experience
Speaker 1: with being homeless and what that experience is like for
Speaker 1: people living in We'll be back with all of that
Speaker 1: after the jump. With all the political discourse over varying
Speaker 1: ideologies and policies, and you know, political promises made to
Speaker 1: strengthen America's middle class. We all know that poor people,
Speaker 1: more often than not are left out of the equation.
Speaker 1: Least among those who are thought about is America's homeless
Speaker 1: populations is perhaps the most voiceless constituency in the country.
Speaker 1: Journalists and social documentary photographer Jacob ries Um did some
Speaker 1: documentation of the New York flung to with his book
Speaker 1: How the Other Half Lives Just, which raised public awareness
Speaker 1: of subpar living conditions, causing some changes in the building
Speaker 1: codes around that time. There's layers to homelessness. There's the
Speaker 1: homelessness that you see in the street on the daily,
Speaker 1: but then there's a hidden homelessness of housing procarity, families
Speaker 1: staying with relatives, and the way that strains the social
Speaker 1: fabric of our communities or digs at our mental health
Speaker 1: and diminishes productivity, sleeping on couches, renting extended stay hotel rooms,
Speaker 1: as well as family months behind and rent whom these
Speaker 1: possibilities loom right around the corner. For I mean, the
Speaker 1: problem with our housing market is that it's driven it's
Speaker 1: driven by the needs of the wealthy, or not the
Speaker 1: needs of the wealthy. The desires are the wealthy and
Speaker 1: not the needs of our communities. And so um, even
Speaker 1: in athletes, we're seeing we're seeing a lot of like
Speaker 1: what I would call like compression in the housing markets,
Speaker 1: such that there's not even housing for middle class people
Speaker 1: being built. Like, if you make between um, let's say
Speaker 1: fifty and a hundred thousand dollars a year, maybe you've
Speaker 1: got some kids, um, Like, there's not even housing being
Speaker 1: built for you. The housing the housing that's being built
Speaker 1: is for is marketed towards students who are you know,
Speaker 1: from like the wealthy Atlanta suburbs whose parents are paying
Speaker 1: rents for them. They've got affinity pools on the roof
Speaker 1: and gyms and like all this fancy study spaces and
Speaker 1: pool rooms, etcetera. UM, or you know, for university professors
Speaker 1: and the like the managerial class of folks that can
Speaker 1: afford you know, four hundred five hundred thousand dollar UM
Speaker 1: mortgage for a house. UM. And so what we're seeing
Speaker 1: is um, middle class people are moving into formerly working
Speaker 1: class neighborhoods because that's the only place they can find
Speaker 1: housing within their income levels. It's causing um, single family
Speaker 1: homes in neighborhoods like where Me and macliff Um that
Speaker 1: typically were very blue collar neighborhoods, um, those are now
Speaker 1: being marketed towards people, you know, professional managerial class of
Speaker 1: you know these like wealthier, wider uh yeppier kind of people.
Speaker 1: As a result, so like people are getting forced out,
Speaker 1: not necessarily because it's like hip and cool to live
Speaker 1: in these neighborhoods, because middle class people don't even have
Speaker 1: a choice either, And so it has a cascading effect
Speaker 1: where then working class people who have lived in these communities,
Speaker 1: like generationally oftentimes families grew up here and their grandparents
Speaker 1: and for many many generations have lived in places like
Speaker 1: East athens Um are being are being displaced. They call
Speaker 1: the like the the Oglethorpe Clark County line, like the
Speaker 1: trail of Tiers, as black people are getting pushed out
Speaker 1: into these more more rural areas where they don't have
Speaker 1: access to public transportation, the school systems are worse. Um
Speaker 1: they have to feel they have to fear from white
Speaker 1: supremacst violence and violence from the police. When plice get
Speaker 1: fired from place like Athens for I don't know, running
Speaker 1: someone over with a cop car um, they get fired
Speaker 1: and they get hired in the next county over the
Speaker 1: next day, and that's where low income and black folks
Speaker 1: are being forced to go live. We're also seeing um
Speaker 1: UH recently in in Athens Um a lot of issues
Speaker 1: with the mobile home communities. A lot of these trailers
Speaker 1: are old people living in thirty four year old trailers.
Speaker 1: And when these landlords you know, up the rent or
Speaker 1: or tell them this. In one case when the for
Speaker 1: Tom really the Latino community UM Tranquility neighborhood, they're just
Speaker 1: closing down the park. And these trailers are so old
Speaker 1: that people like that moving companies won't even move them.
Speaker 1: So people don't even have the choice to take their
Speaker 1: home with them. Their only option is to watch it
Speaker 1: be destroyed because someone doesn't want to run a mobile
Speaker 1: park anymore. And so the issues are overlapping, issues are
Speaker 1: um compounding their cascading. By the late nineteenth century, as
Speaker 1: urbanization expanded, many American towns and cities had significant numbers
Speaker 1: of homeless people. Now the issue is complicated, of course,
Speaker 1: like everything in life. But when you really break it down,
Speaker 1: there's five major reasons why people go homeless in America.
Speaker 1: One lack of affordable housing, two unemployment, Three poverty for
Speaker 1: mental illness and the lack of needed services. And then
Speaker 1: five substance abuse and lack of needed services as well.
Speaker 1: All right, now, let's dive into that just a little bit.
Speaker 1: So One lack of affordable housing, high rent burdens, overcrowding,
Speaker 1: and substandard housing of not only forced many people to
Speaker 1: become homeless, but it's put a large and growing number
Speaker 1: of people at risk of becoming homeless. Number two unemployment.
Speaker 1: If you lose your job, you can't pay your bills.
Speaker 1: Unemployment underemployment are huge factors in this. It's said that
Speaker 1: in a place like Athens, the issue is not the
Speaker 1: cost of housing. The issue is is the low wage
Speaker 1: floor um that people are working. You know, I think
Speaker 1: we have thirty eight percent poverty, right, but like a
Speaker 1: three percent unappointment right between thirty five percent people in
Speaker 1: Athens fully employed, working forty hours a week, it's still
Speaker 1: not able to make ends meet. So then you see uh,
Speaker 1: folks staying in relationships that are toxic and abusive because
Speaker 1: they can't afford to live on their own. UM. You see,
Speaker 1: like you know, folks like you know, the quality we're
Speaker 1: in our late twenties, early thirties, mid thirties, like living
Speaker 1: in roommates situations rather than the you know, the UM
Speaker 1: classic ideal of like home ownership. UM. Because folks just
Speaker 1: can't up for to live on their own because of
Speaker 1: the wage thing. And so a question that often comes
Speaker 1: to our mind, my mind, as you know, working in
Speaker 1: local government, it's like what do you tackle first? You
Speaker 1: tackle the housing or do you tackle the wage piece?
Speaker 1: And for me, I think tackling the housing piece makes
Speaker 1: more sense. I mean, I think there's a lot we
Speaker 1: can do to uh ally ourselves with organized labor, both
Speaker 1: in supporting the demands of workers organizing in their workplaces
Speaker 1: um uplifting those demands in the forms of resolutions we pass.
Speaker 1: Also thinking creatively about how we can pass local policy
Speaker 1: to improve working conditions such that at least people have
Speaker 1: that alleviated even if we can't raise them in the
Speaker 1: wage because of state law of reactions. It really to me,
Speaker 1: I mean, we we have a budget of about hundred
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars a year, only two percent of which
Speaker 1: we spend on housing and development for a year. I
Speaker 1: think it brings down that my math kind of shot
Speaker 1: like main formulas a year, Like that's bullshit, UM, thinking
Speaker 1: about how we could instead invest more aggressively in social
Speaker 1: housing the variety of housing types UM that are owned
Speaker 1: by the Athens Housing Authority or you know, other nonprofities
Speaker 1: like a land trust or Habitat for Humanity, such that
Speaker 1: we can you know, alleviate this burden on the housing
Speaker 1: market in the way that it's tearing at the social
Speaker 1: fabric in our neighborhoods. UM. It feels like something that
Speaker 1: we have the most control over and like a very
Speaker 1: um like a like a good place to start. UM.
Speaker 1: We might not, you know, I think that UM, like
Speaker 1: the wage situation is something that is more people powered,
Speaker 1: like it takes people to organize in order for us
Speaker 1: to get behind their organized demands. But like we have
Speaker 1: perfect control over the housing stock and building more housing,
Speaker 1: like there's nothing stopping us from doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: but wait around for someone to tell us to do that.
Speaker 1: UM that we've got studies on studies that show us
Speaker 1: it's necessary, and so I think that's somewhere like it.
Speaker 1: As much as I like with the issue of poverty.
Speaker 1: I think organized labor is a really important thing to
Speaker 1: support in order to um help us ease the burden
Speaker 1: of housing. Can commodity and so many basic public goods,
Speaker 1: you know, just basic human needs being commodified. Um we
Speaker 1: could also decommodify them those needs as a government, but
Speaker 1: taking aggressive action to this invest more heavily in it.
Speaker 1: Number three poverty. This one's kind of self explanatory. If
Speaker 1: you don't make a living wage, how the fund you're
Speaker 1: supposed to live. Number four mental illness. Now, with the
Speaker 1: limited supply of publicly supported psychiatric beds, getting access to
Speaker 1: treatment for severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
Speaker 1: is becoming ever and ever more restricted. So as a result,
Speaker 1: this leaves an increasing number of people who require intensive
Speaker 1: services like this to remain unstable and experience all the
Speaker 1: negative consequences because they have to remain with that illness
Speaker 1: for such a long time, and one of those consequences
Speaker 1: can end up being homelessness. And Number five substance abuse.
Speaker 1: Thirty eight percent of homeless people were dependent on alcohol,
Speaker 1: percent abuse drugs. Alcohol abuse is more common in older generations,
Speaker 1: while drug abuse is more common in the homeless youth
Speaker 1: until this issue of UM substance abuse among folks, I
Speaker 1: think you, I mean, I think at various points in
Speaker 1: housing precarity, if you're living with four roommates, or if
Speaker 1: you're living in an extended state hotel, or for living
Speaker 1: on the street umty eight percent of people surveyed UM
Speaker 1: who were living out UM in various stays just homelessness
Speaker 1: dependent on alcohol in twenty six abuse other drugs and
Speaker 1: thinking about it, want to outside fuck it. I would
Speaker 1: be drunk every day Like that makes that makes total sense.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, studies have shown that it is
Speaker 1: a lot easier to get off drugs, for you to
Speaker 1: get employment that is gainful and stable, UM, for you
Speaker 1: to access to supports you need, and you know, pull
Speaker 1: yourself up by the bootstraps, etcetera. You know, quote unquote, UM,
Speaker 1: if you have a roof over your head, if you
Speaker 1: have that basic stability off somewhere to come home to
Speaker 1: every night, place where you can take a shower, get
Speaker 1: a good night's sleep, have some privacy, have some peace
Speaker 1: and quiet. And so this idea of like a housing
Speaker 1: first model of dealing with homelessness, I just giving people
Speaker 1: permanent supportive housing UM and you know, coupling that with
Speaker 1: wrap around services to help people get jobs, get education,
Speaker 1: get transportation, get counseling services, get addiction treatment UM is
Speaker 1: a lot more effective than constantly funding these overcrowded shelters
Speaker 1: shuttling people between jails and mental facilities when they get
Speaker 1: into scuffles on the street. I'll think it's one that
Speaker 1: reminds me one of the things we don't really talk
Speaker 1: about with homelessness. I think in the recent conversations around UM,
Speaker 1: I hesitated safe police reform, but like police uh uh,
Speaker 1: I guess like the decentralization of police who our public
Speaker 1: safety of response can talk a lot about how often
Speaker 1: people who are homeless and counter the police when they're panhandling,
Speaker 1: when the publicly intoxicative and it might be having a
Speaker 1: mental health crisis. But also the amount of crime perpetrated
Speaker 1: against homeless people UM I think is severely underreported. I
Speaker 1: hear reports of it all the time from folks that
Speaker 1: work out in the community, you know, go out to
Speaker 1: these encampments and feed folks and you know, help folks
Speaker 1: get they need handwarmers, logs to burn on the fire,
Speaker 1: tense sleeping bags and the amount of sexual assaults and
Speaker 1: uh just physical assaults, um, the amount of theft that
Speaker 1: these people um experience. And then because they are marginalized
Speaker 1: because they might be camping on private property, because they
Speaker 1: might be addicted to drugs or you know, have a
Speaker 1: criminal history, they don't reach out to law enforcement for
Speaker 1: support when they get raped or something like that because
Speaker 1: they're living in such a like a liminal space in society.
Speaker 1: And so when we think about dealing with issue of homelessness, like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's diversify our you know, public safety response so you
Speaker 1: have more compassionate first responders out like helping homeless folks,
Speaker 1: like connecting with services. Also, let's alleviate the issue of
Speaker 1: homelessness through a house and first model where we just
Speaker 1: get people housing so that they aren't the victims of
Speaker 1: crime either, so they're not getting their ship stolen or
Speaker 1: the ship kicked out of them. You know, in my district,
Speaker 1: you've had shootings, homeless encampments, sexual assaults, like all this
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that people aren't reporting in the cops. That
Speaker 1: could be alleviate if these if the spolkesport forced to
Speaker 1: live in these ramshackle communities together, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: based on a finiteer based on shap drug addiction, are
Speaker 1: based on purely the fact that they're like there's only
Speaker 1: one encampment left in town that hasn't been cleared. Ay,
Speaker 1: so okay, we're here with band leader, songwriter, entrepreneur, and
Speaker 1: social media influencer and you know what, just all around,
Speaker 1: good guy, my homie, Zulu Jones of the band Zulu Profit.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Zoo, I'm good man, I'm glad to
Speaker 1: get in here and get to sit down and talk
Speaker 1: to you. Man. I'm appreciating seeing all the stuff you've
Speaker 1: been getting into, especially with this podcast. Man. What we've
Speaker 1: been talking about today is we're talking about homelessness in
Speaker 1: America pretty much the five major reasons that people fall
Speaker 1: into homelessness UM, substance abuse, mental illness, UH, lack of
Speaker 1: affordable housing, poverty, and unemployment. UM. Before that, we were,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the digital rambling off of statistics and
Speaker 1: facts of this of that, and it just when when
Speaker 1: you go about doing things these ways, you have a
Speaker 1: habit of thinking of it as numbers, and you start
Speaker 1: to forget that each one of those numbers quote unquote
Speaker 1: is a human life that somebody who dreamt of being
Speaker 1: something who feared this, who wanted that, you know, and
Speaker 1: you lose the use track of the human experience with it.
Speaker 1: And that's why I wanted to talk to you, because, um,
Speaker 1: just as long as I've known you, I've known you
Speaker 1: through several you know what I mean, through through pretty
Speaker 1: much through a glow up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know you earlier in life, but at
Speaker 1: this phase that I've met you, I've known you when
Speaker 1: you were homeless for multiple years, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and I've watched you work your way out of it,
Speaker 1: so I've I'm just curious, just to start off, is
Speaker 1: could you give us some insight as to like what
Speaker 1: it felt like when you found yourself getting into that position.
Speaker 1: I had an active addiction for thirty years, and that
Speaker 1: caused the failure of the relationship with the woman I
Speaker 1: moved to Georgia with. At the end of that, I
Speaker 1: found myself walking down Wheaton Street with my guitar and
Speaker 1: a couple of bags of belongings down the River Street. Now,
Speaker 1: I remember being scared because I had never been homeless
Speaker 1: before in my life, and the prospect of living in
Speaker 1: a city not knowing anybody not knowing where to go
Speaker 1: or what to do, and then seeing the condition of
Speaker 1: a lot of the other homeless people or people assumed
Speaker 1: to be homeless in the area was pretty intimidating because, um,
Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned mental illness and substance abuse. I
Speaker 1: see those of the two two two largest common greatest
Speaker 1: common denominators amongst homeless people. So you would say that
Speaker 1: like if you were making like if you were even
Speaker 1: ranking in those top five reasons, like if you said
Speaker 1: those two would probably be number one in two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: from my own anecdotal experience that I would say that
Speaker 1: a coupling of undiagnosed mental illness, UM self medication and
Speaker 1: if you abuse the substance over a long enough period
Speaker 1: of time, you'll become addicted to it. So when you've
Speaker 1: got those two things happening, and maybe somebody's operating an
Speaker 1: alternate reality or not seeing things accurately the substance abuse
Speaker 1: on top of that, Um, it's a bad formula. It's unsustainable.
Speaker 1: Somebody it's going to have a hard time maintaining just
Speaker 1: the regular routines of life, like paying bills and generating income.
Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, and please let me know if,
Speaker 1: like I'm getting, if it gets into details that you
Speaker 1: don't perhaps want to share it, but like what what
Speaker 1: were the was there was there almost was there a warning?
Speaker 1: Or did were there? Like were there signs that you
Speaker 1: had that were leading towards that that if you had
Speaker 1: paid attention to her, if you had been in a
Speaker 1: better frame of mind, you would have been able to
Speaker 1: address to avoid you know, finally being in that situation
Speaker 1: where you're walking down to River Street almless. Well, that's
Speaker 1: the problem with addiction because I wasn't able to accurately
Speaker 1: assess my life and sometimes it takes the takes drastic
Speaker 1: amounts of pain, so it wouldn't have It would have
Speaker 1: probably been impossible for me to quit my addiction had
Speaker 1: I not become homeless. Becoming homeless and the amount of
Speaker 1: pain that that entailed was enough motivation for me to
Speaker 1: seek treatment in a twelve step program and then just
Speaker 1: start putting it back together. So I've seen you. I
Speaker 1: don't even want to say slowly work your way out
Speaker 1: of it, because like if I guess during the during
Speaker 1: the time when you were kind of working your way
Speaker 1: out of it, it seemed like it was like a
Speaker 1: slow process. But then you know the next thing, You know,
Speaker 1: you haven't been in that position for at least five
Speaker 1: years now, longer than so So described to me, Like,
Speaker 1: after you got that motivation to get out of that situation,
Speaker 1: what are some of the things that you did to
Speaker 1: get out? And even perhaps if you want to go
Speaker 1: in further like some like can is that something that
Speaker 1: could be replicated in other people? It most definitely can
Speaker 1: be replicated in other people, because the turning point was
Speaker 1: a change of mind. So I got sober, moved into
Speaker 1: recovery housing, and got a roommate, and that roommate situation
Speaker 1: turned out to be bad. It was a bad judge
Speaker 1: judgment on my part. So I found myself homeless for
Speaker 1: a second time. But this time I didn't have an addiction,
Speaker 1: So there was something I experienced that was a type
Speaker 1: of freedom that I've never experienced before. Because one of
Speaker 1: the things about homelessness is is that you don't have
Speaker 1: to get up off the bench if you don't feel
Speaker 1: like it, so one of the dangers of it. A
Speaker 1: friend of mine passed away back in November, right after
Speaker 1: my mom did, but I talked to him early on
Speaker 1: in that homeless days and he said, man, make sure
Speaker 1: you change your socks frequently, because your feet of your transportation.
Speaker 1: And he said, don't get comfortable, he said, because there's
Speaker 1: enough food in every trash can to eat, and there's
Speaker 1: always going to be somebody willing to give you clothing.
Speaker 1: So those two basic needs are met. Um. It was
Speaker 1: at that time, that second, that second round of homelessness,
Speaker 1: that I decided that I was going to live indoors
Speaker 1: on my own terms. And I define that as um.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna live indoors unless music paid for it.
Speaker 1: So my my, my, my caloric intake was dependent on
Speaker 1: how much money I earned. So there was a impetus
Speaker 1: to get up every day and take my guitar down
Speaker 1: the River Street and go and play until I had
Speaker 1: enough money to satisfy my calorie needs until the following day.
Speaker 1: So that it started to implement and discipline, because you
Speaker 1: can't always predict the rain. So if you make fifty
Speaker 1: dollars one day and you spend it all anticipate and
Speaker 1: working the next day, then your money is going to
Speaker 1: be gone. But I'm gonna say this, like I had,
Speaker 1: I had some advantages that may not be available to
Speaker 1: the too everybody. I had parents that really really stressed
Speaker 1: reading and comprehensive education, so um, a human being that
Speaker 1: can read can always teach themselves. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of people um reach out. So it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: something that I just came up out of by my
Speaker 1: own hand. There was a lot. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of people that saw effort and then lent some aid,
Speaker 1: and you know, they might have been back porch to
Speaker 1: sleep on on a rainy night. But it's through those
Speaker 1: small steps, that and determination that I was able to say,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get out of homelessness. Now, I did
Speaker 1: it the hard way. I could have easily gotten a
Speaker 1: job and traded my time for money, but that didn't
Speaker 1: seem appealing to me. After having experienced the freedom of homelessness,
Speaker 1: like going to work for somebody that I respect less
Speaker 1: than myself, who I don't feel is my equal intellectually, spiritually,
Speaker 1: or psychically, to go have to take orders from somebody
Speaker 1: in that position, it became abhorrent to me. So I
Speaker 1: decided that I would either make it by my own
Speaker 1: hand or starved to death in the process. And giving
Speaker 1: those two options, my natural instincts and my natural programming
Speaker 1: from the d n A sought to stay alive, and
Speaker 1: so I was able to improvise. I mean, I used
Speaker 1: to live next door to you, man, when that was
Speaker 1: the first place I lived after that round the homelessness,
Speaker 1: and when it was because the kids that lived next
Speaker 1: door to you said the yeo, man, you can get
Speaker 1: the couch for fifty bucks a month. And so getting
Speaker 1: sober was the thing that allowed me to clear my
Speaker 1: mind up enough to execute my will power. Because willpower,
Speaker 1: I think in my innion, is um directing your existence
Speaker 1: and reality in the direction that you wanted to. So
Speaker 1: one of two things will happen. I'll either reach my goals.
Speaker 1: I'll die in the process of trying to reach my goals,
Speaker 1: in which case I didn't fail. I simply ran out
Speaker 1: of time. Now that that darker period is gone, what
Speaker 1: are you doing these days? Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're like, you're I know people that don't even in town,
Speaker 1: who don't even know Like, your name is Zulu Jones.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's to see you guy, zulule Profit. You know, Zulu Profit.
Speaker 1: So I mean you're like, yeah, that dude, Now you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So can you tell our listeners
Speaker 1: a little bit about what it is that you do
Speaker 1: not only in Savannah, but just like your your musical
Speaker 1: endeavors that nationwide at this point, thank you for giving
Speaker 1: me a chance to talk about this. The first thing
Speaker 1: is I've got to shout out rhet Coleman or Sane daily.
Speaker 1: Those are my bandmates. I don't do any of this
Speaker 1: by myself. So I found O'shan kicking around um at
Speaker 1: the wormhole, and oh she found ht kicking around at
Speaker 1: the Bayou, and together we've sorry, we're getting a little local.
Speaker 1: These are Savannah spots. We need the Savannah spots we're
Speaker 1: talking about like all y'all know it, but the Wormhole
Speaker 1: in the biou venues in Savannah that we we play
Speaker 1: it often when we're in town. All right, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here talking to you, and I'll forget that. This
Speaker 1: is for everybody. So, um we started on River Street,
Speaker 1: me and Oshean with two acoustic guitars in front of us,
Speaker 1: and from that wound up transferred to electric instruments and
Speaker 1: started building a reputation and eventually, um, we wound up
Speaker 1: touring halfway across the US into Texas. We've got the
Speaker 1: Southeast and maybe not on Lockdown, but they know our
Speaker 1: names when you say our names in Florida and South Carolina,
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Alabama, Um, and they're they're learning our names.
Speaker 1: In the Ukraine, they're learning our names and Tokyo and
Speaker 1: then learn our names and everything else according to our analytics.
Speaker 1: Well before we get into the analytics, and just what
Speaker 1: type of music y'all mak it, because like we're a
Speaker 1: hip hop show, so you know already already we're breaking
Speaker 1: that code. But I'm telling y'all it's dope. But I
Speaker 1: want I want him to tell you in his own
Speaker 1: words what it is a zoo prophet does. Alright. First,
Speaker 1: So for my hip hop credentials, Nelly Mail used to
Speaker 1: live on the floor of my building where I grew
Speaker 1: up at in the Bronx straight up real deal. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: So hip hop happened in my neighborhood. I was on
Speaker 1: my back breakdancing on cardboard and eight two eighty three.
Speaker 1: So mad Love to mad love to hip hop and
Speaker 1: what it stood for in its origins and the roots
Speaker 1: of it, and to all them bands like Arrested Development
Speaker 1: and Public Enemy that was trying to put something positive
Speaker 1: into the people's head, but got destroyed by the damn
Speaker 1: blood sucking babylah and bullshit record industry. The motherfucker's they're
Speaker 1: doing nothing but selling souls. They're sending a little black
Speaker 1: boys and black girls and the hell in prison with
Speaker 1: their fuel. Yeah, I'm sorry earlier conversation, and so my
Speaker 1: band right now, UM we play psychedelic, funk, reggae, rock music,
Speaker 1: and um we've all got different backgrounds Our Drummer, he's
Speaker 1: a hard hitter that's got uh punk rock and nineties
Speaker 1: grunge vibe. The other dude from Ireland, Ocean He had
Speaker 1: a flamenco guitar background but fell in love with the
Speaker 1: blues and also does electronic music production under the name
Speaker 1: Ocean Man and Obama Boe and Colonial Effects. And I
Speaker 1: played in the reggae band out of North Carolina for
Speaker 1: about ten years called Hemanti reggae band out of the
Speaker 1: Piedmont Triad area, and through that UM got open off
Speaker 1: for just about all the major reggae xts coming through
Speaker 1: the Southeast. Bernard Spire, Eco Mouse, Yellow Man, Jimmy Cliff
Speaker 1: Um and thankfully you know from the reincarnation of the
Speaker 1: Zulu prophet in Savannah. We got to open up for
Speaker 1: the whalers and play on their equipment. Uh In Yeah,
Speaker 1: my drummers sat on the whalers drums man and in
Speaker 1: Ocean ran through that base rig. So we got to
Speaker 1: open up, you know, to share the stage and share
Speaker 1: equipment with people that we've been listening to all our lives.
Speaker 1: So what you guys got coming up next? Next big
Speaker 1: thing is going to be on March thirteenth at the
Speaker 1: Wingman Clubhouse with on the party. We've got Chief Steak
Speaker 1: Jack food truck gonna be there, and I've got James
Speaker 1: Brown's grandson coming to DJ. Part of the party. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be at the Wingman Clubhouse here in Savannah, Georgia.
Speaker 1: That's the Wingman Motorcycle Club sixty nine Ross Road starts
Speaker 1: at about eight pm. Hey, Zulu man, it was good
Speaker 1: talking to yo. Um. Make sure that you guys go
Speaker 1: to zoo profit dot com so you can check out
Speaker 1: some of that music. What do good deeds? I'll never
Speaker 1: record a fake pieces because why would I kids a
Speaker 1: person at their lowest point in life. And plus I
Speaker 1: don't need a visual of what I did, right, I
Speaker 1: got the experience in that ship is the feeling. Then
Speaker 1: that's something you can't take from me, you know what
Speaker 1: I say, take from them. That's the real human traits.
Speaker 1: So to see anybody marketing they so female, feeding them homeless,
Speaker 1: or feeding somebody that need help to me corny as
Speaker 1: fun man, I just gotta tell you that that was
Speaker 1: the voice and thoughts of rapper Waka Flocka, addressing current
Speaker 1: social media trend of rappers, you know, helping out homeless people,
Speaker 1: but for the purposes of posting it on Instagram or
Speaker 1: Twitter and ship like that. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: rappers who have referenced experiences of homelessness in their rhymes.
Speaker 1: Weekend Logic, Cordak, Black Rock, Ross, That's Rocky, Jail Actnica
Speaker 1: all at one point before they hit it big um.
Speaker 1: You know, they discussed those experience as a being without
Speaker 1: the home, without a home, Y g and Y and
Speaker 1: Juicy Ja talked about economic procurity almost leaving them without shelter,
Speaker 1: un really be and all I needed, respectively from my searches.
Speaker 1: In my experience, it's a rare occasion that rappers use
Speaker 1: the full length of a song to dedicate towards the
Speaker 1: specific topic of homelessness, but um generally in an art
Speaker 1: form where poverty in the progression from poverty is such
Speaker 1: a centralized theme, you do commonly hear people recollect or
Speaker 1: reflect on their experiences with homelessness. The first track that
Speaker 1: we have, perhaps I mean in all honesty, it's probably
Speaker 1: the most famous rap song dealing with the topic of homelessness.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Arrested Development track Mr Wendell. This
Speaker 1: song was on their really successful album three Years five
Speaker 1: and some two days in the Life of It was
Speaker 1: certified gold. And let's check it out a little bit.
Speaker 1: Don't play Mr One. That's his name. I don't one
Speaker 1: ever knew his name because he's a no one. Never
Speaker 1: thought twice about spend it on an old ball until
Speaker 1: I had a chance to really get to know one
Speaker 1: that that I know on to give a body is
Speaker 1: a charity. I was a real little kid when this
Speaker 1: came out. This is almost like the perfect example of
Speaker 1: when you know there's a there's like a song that
Speaker 1: you remember from your youth that you always liked, but
Speaker 1: we were probably too young to really pay attention to
Speaker 1: what it was about. I didn't really put together the
Speaker 1: pieces of the song until well into my teens. I
Speaker 1: think the second that think, like the third and fourth
Speaker 1: lines of the song, a really powerful two dollars means
Speaker 1: it means a snack from me, but it means a
Speaker 1: big deal to you. And I think it's something that's echoed.
Speaker 1: We're kind of like in the inverse on the Kennect
Speaker 1: lam Our song Um, where on that song he is
Speaker 1: talking about how, oh man, this man is asking for
Speaker 1: too much money. That about what's gonna use it for?
Speaker 1: Whereas like for someone who might not eat her days
Speaker 1: or has been awake for days because of the sounds
Speaker 1: of traffic on the overpass under which they sleep, that
Speaker 1: two dollars is going to enable them to go by
Speaker 1: the little like like uh um, like pack of chips
Speaker 1: or whatever from the gas stasution. This this like transformative
Speaker 1: in that moment um instead of like putting I appreciate
Speaker 1: the way, um, the plight of living living on the
Speaker 1: streets and sort of humanized is it in a way
Speaker 1: You don't really seeing a lot of hip hop songs,
Speaker 1: he said, you see a lot of people like code back, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Like I was homeless, but now it came up and
Speaker 1: everything's good. Rather than sort of the sitting with the
Speaker 1: discomfort of like, you know, this man with no clothes,
Speaker 1: no money, no plate. In essence, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: don't judge a book by its cover sort of things
Speaker 1: like you see these people in the street, and because
Speaker 1: of our social status is or because of the way
Speaker 1: that our society is organized, you look down on people
Speaker 1: like that, or you don't give them second thought. And
Speaker 1: even when we're doing things like reading statistics and we're
Speaker 1: throwing numbers and this percentage of this and this makes
Speaker 1: up that percentage of that. You know, you you some
Speaker 1: you sometimes have to check yourself and remind yourself as
Speaker 1: like yo, like these are people, like each one of
Speaker 1: these numbers is an actual life, an actual person with
Speaker 1: a personality and hopes and speed, fears and dreams and
Speaker 1: aspirations and all that ship, So you have to take
Speaker 1: all of that into account. I feel like that's what
Speaker 1: the song does really well. Um it's one of those
Speaker 1: things where someone who's listening to it and they start
Speaker 1: picking up on what it's about, perhaps they're going through
Speaker 1: their life kind of having that same sort of attitude.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's nobody's perfect, so everybody is guilty of
Speaker 1: you know, I guess falling into that mind frame at
Speaker 1: some point in time and then they get into this part.
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting as well about you know,
Speaker 1: Mr Windell has freedom, a free that you think that
Speaker 1: you and I think it's dumb, like, um, there are
Speaker 1: people who want to live outside. I haven't really read
Speaker 1: a lot about this, I call of the of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, perhaps it is a side effective capitalism. People
Speaker 1: kind of give up and you know, no longer seek
Speaker 1: out employment or housing because they are so beaten down
Speaker 1: by the way our system works. But also, I mean
Speaker 1: there's some people who just a shoe societal norms of
Speaker 1: like why I gotta you know, work a job and
Speaker 1: live in a house and pay rent, pay a mortgage
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah and kind of given
Speaker 1: and thinking about how our PAPA policy can create space
Speaker 1: for those folks. I think it's an interesting discussion to have.
Speaker 1: Recently on the Commission, we've been talking about hostile architecture
Speaker 1: that's like the arm rest the middle of the bench
Speaker 1: that keep people from laying down, or like the spikes
Speaker 1: outside of a fucking like boutique shop that keep a
Speaker 1: homeless person from reclining. Um and then under their awning
Speaker 1: to keep out of the rain, Boulder is placed under
Speaker 1: underpasses that we've seen happened recently in Atlanta to prevent
Speaker 1: all those people from campaign there, Like how do we
Speaker 1: like make our public spaces actually public in a way
Speaker 1: that values human life over property. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of times the apostile architecture is installed to protect business owners,
Speaker 1: to create a better aesthetic in spaces um Or. You know,
Speaker 1: there's also the logic of just like oh, well they
Speaker 1: can do crime, just not here. And so it's constant
Speaker 1: shuttling along with people that that that that don't play
Speaker 1: the game that you know, I just want to be
Speaker 1: chilling on a park bench, you know, drinking and forty
Speaker 1: in the middle of a day, and that's like what
Speaker 1: they want to do. Um And so in addition to
Speaker 1: like solving homelessness, also thinking about like how do we
Speaker 1: create more space for people who want to live alternatively
Speaker 1: um This particular line in particular kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of another thing about this song um or his approach.
Speaker 1: Their approach to this topic that differs from modern hip
Speaker 1: hop is the explicit messaging of like anti materialism that's
Speaker 1: behind this song that's something that ill is almost kind
Speaker 1: of completely absent from mainstream hip hop. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a very popular album in a very popular song,
Speaker 1: So at the time that this song came out, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like a you know, it was like
Speaker 1: a mainstream song more or less, and to have that
Speaker 1: sort of message of you know, there's more to life
Speaker 1: than the things that we acquire, the material things that
Speaker 1: we acquire. Stylistically, I would say the song is very
Speaker 1: laid back and melodic. It's just a pretty song. You know,
Speaker 1: It's just a very pleasant song to listen to. And
Speaker 1: you could for for tracks like this, you could take
Speaker 1: the approach of a this is a very solemn and
Speaker 1: serious topic that we're dealing with, and perhaps you can
Speaker 1: make your point in a or get the point across
Speaker 1: in a certain way. Doing that, but making for all
Speaker 1: tents and purposes a pop song about that subject matter
Speaker 1: definitely makes it have a wider reach. And I think
Speaker 1: that speech everybody in arrest of development. You know, they
Speaker 1: I would imagine they already do, but they can like
Speaker 1: sleep really well at night. Knowing that this song probably
Speaker 1: changed or influenced millions of people's attitude towards homeless people
Speaker 1: in America and just homeless people in general, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, second second guessing how they interact with them
Speaker 1: or what they do or don't do to help. Okay,
Speaker 1: now our last song for the day kind how much
Speaker 1: of all the costs there we walked out to guess?
Speaker 1: They should know homeless man with the second team complexion
Speaker 1: X and what team page stressing about trying He describes
Speaker 1: He's like sitting in this luxury car. Uh, man, you
Speaker 1: know these pumping gas man comes up and ask um
Speaker 1: if he can you know, len some money. I think
Speaker 1: this is set in like an African country. Um, there's
Speaker 1: just like a couple of references. Um. He talks about
Speaker 1: ten rand, which is the South African currency in this case,
Speaker 1: is ten of those are equivalent to one dollar um.
Speaker 1: And the way that he stresses the phrase in the
Speaker 1: lyrics sounds similar to ten grand, which kind of creates
Speaker 1: this like double entender or something like that, where like
Speaker 1: he's implying the homeless man is asking for too much.
Speaker 1: So again then contrast to the Mr Wendell song like
Speaker 1: you know a dollars too much versus two dollars could
Speaker 1: change your life? Um, even in reality Kendrick admits that
Speaker 1: he's got enough money to pay the guy whatever he wants,
Speaker 1: even though you know he goes want to talk about um.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this guy just wants crack. I told him
Speaker 1: to beat it, and I want to contribute money, yes
Speaker 1: for his pipe um, which is like, I mean, like
Speaker 1: a common common refrain. I think we hear in discussions
Speaker 1: of homelessness like oh, I don't want to give us
Speaker 1: people money because they're just gonna spend it on drugs, etcetera.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't care if somebody spends money on if
Speaker 1: they're homeless, Like you know, if you guys smoke crack
Speaker 1: because you live in outside and it's the only way
Speaker 1: to make your day better. You know you do you.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like like playing people shop on Amazon.
Speaker 1: God knows what drugs shop on Amazon. God knows what
Speaker 1: drugs Jeff Bezos can afford to buy, and like we
Speaker 1: don't question, oh, he earned he's allowed to do drugs legally,
Speaker 1: and we're allowed to give us give him our money
Speaker 1: for that. You know, a homeless person wants two dollars
Speaker 1: go buy some crack like they ain't really they fault
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I would rather them not
Speaker 1: be in a position and I gotta ask money for drugs.
Speaker 1: I would love for them to get help with that situation.
Speaker 1: But you know, in that moment, we just gotta see
Speaker 1: people from people and see what they're what, you know,
Speaker 1: and just like not judge what they need to do
Speaker 1: in order to like be okay in a moment. And
Speaker 1: I think it's in the second verse he gets into
Speaker 1: an interesting the anecdote goes on and he says, like
Speaker 1: the guy's getting mad at him, um, like like I
Speaker 1: was supposed to save him, Like I'm the reason he's
Speaker 1: homeless and ask me for a favor. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: like this guy is getting upset that like Kendrick won't
Speaker 1: give him a dollar. And I think this, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a common experience I've had when like I've
Speaker 1: had homeless people, you know mcnos. A lot of homeless
Speaker 1: als come to our house asked for money because they
Speaker 1: know I live here. And I've got people who are
Speaker 1: got upset at me, Like what do you mean you
Speaker 1: can go to the A T M right now. And
Speaker 1: I think understanding the emotional precarity that comes with just
Speaker 1: like living so ruggedly like, sure, I don't appreciate when
Speaker 1: somebody like demands and assumed I should do something for them.
Speaker 1: But if you're like living on the edge like that,
Speaker 1: you're about to snap any second. Think about it, thinking
Speaker 1: about the you know, the the thin ice you skate
Speaker 1: on emotionally every day, walking for miles and the sun
Speaker 1: or the cold, with clothes that are dirty and you
Speaker 1: haven't eaten. Um. And I don't know if people always
Speaker 1: like think of that background when in interactions with folks
Speaker 1: living outdoors, um, when those interactions become heated. And then
Speaker 1: then the third verse, Kidrick gets into like myself, it
Speaker 1: is just is what got me here? Who the funking
Speaker 1: my kid in? Like, there is this like the fact
Speaker 1: that someone like can can have so much wealth. It's
Speaker 1: predicated on the fact that some folks like this man
Speaker 1: who's talking about interacting with have nothing, like you know,
Speaker 1: the massive mass accumulation of wealth requires exploitation of people.
Speaker 1: You know, it required in order for you to have
Speaker 1: the nice house in the formerly working class era. That
Speaker 1: means that somebody has gotten move to oth or blame
Speaker 1: in the trailer or a blim in the family and
Speaker 1: Senna stay hotel and that kid, because he's grown up
Speaker 1: with housing insecurity, ends up homeless himself, like um, these things.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's interesting how in this um
Speaker 1: song he's like touching on the sense of like like responsible,
Speaker 1: the responsibility we all carry for like a pulling the
Speaker 1: system that exploits spokes holds folks down such that, you know,
Speaker 1: such that we can accumulate wealth. But it doesn't like
Speaker 1: it doesn't like all the way to go. There just
Speaker 1: kind of like thinks about it a little bit and
Speaker 1: then I guess it strives off in this car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's such a good song. I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: we talked about this track on another episode but in
Speaker 1: a different context. But you know, my my two cents
Speaker 1: about the song is I love the cinematic nature of
Speaker 1: this song and how everything about it musically serves the
Speaker 1: narrative that Kendrick is painting. It's brilliant stuff. Well, all right,
Speaker 1: I think you should spit some bars. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear Joel started beat. For sure, one might do
Speaker 1: the virus or parish in the florest fire from the
Speaker 1: stter climate or expired and they handle bullets with nipple.
Speaker 1: Me over with driving forward, wait and try and force
Speaker 1: the work on vironment and even count the ways to
Speaker 1: kick the bucket the system stuck in eight when whenever
Speaker 1: we try to bucket the best case in there we
Speaker 1: you know, we end up bloody knuckles. In the worst
Speaker 1: case we end in a heart tap. Remember what the
Speaker 1: structure come were birthfact, it never lived in the world
Speaker 1: that we worked into a nurse. But keep basing, just
Speaker 1: worked it and they gotta put me in the dirt
Speaker 1: that I said that it's a fair trade to building
Speaker 1: the first step of the staircase for that sit for
Speaker 1: this week, I'm Lingua franca and I'm dope knife. You're
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