WEBVTT - Alone is Not a Bad Word with Chelsea’s Sisters, Simone and Shoshanna

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Catherine, Hi Chelsea, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am coming to you live from Los Angeles, Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe it, you're actually here in your house.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm not from Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so.

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<v Speaker 2>I did Nueva yure Si, but I'm Pedro Estoi and

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a new assistant who only speaks Spanish to me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm hoping that he will cut it out because

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<v Speaker 2>we are not communicating well. I'm like, I only want

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<v Speaker 2>you to speak Spanish and now then like three sentences in,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, a little bit of.

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<v Speaker 1>English, you know what, starting with Panglish is fine.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm home. I'm a home in Los Angeles. I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been here in forever.

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<v Speaker 2>My house is still not done, but I'm living in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and Doug is here. And Doug loves me, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is really the most important part of this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you two having a love reconnection.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so sweet, he loves me, He gets into bed,

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<v Speaker 2>we play together, he follows me everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is exactly what I was hoping for.

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<v Speaker 2>And my bell, he does not give a shit about

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<v Speaker 2>my bell, and that is exactly what I was looking.

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<v Speaker 1>For he's bonded with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, we have a really ridiculous episode today.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to preface this episode by telling our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners that I had my sisters back on the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>because everybody really seemed to enjoy it last time, and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone really enjoyed my niece episode, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I mistakenly booked them again.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of them is a hot fucking mess during

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<v Speaker 2>this entire podcast, and I can't wait for you guys

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out which person that is and understand why.

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<v Speaker 2>The other sister, who was also on this podcast episode,

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<v Speaker 2>has since told me they are no longer available to

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<v Speaker 2>do podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>When she said that is it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're done with your podcast and you were done with us.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sad. We love them, we love them on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe this episode. I hope you guys enjoy it,

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<v Speaker 2>and please let us know your thoughts. Please welcome Shoshana

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<v Speaker 2>and Simone Handler.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, what are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>You guys?

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking You guys are doing the same fucking thing

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<v Speaker 2>we did last time. We're giving counseling with Catherine. We're

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<v Speaker 2>taking live callers.

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<v Speaker 4>Before that, before the call, we're gonna well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you take today?

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<v Speaker 2>Anything special for your performance this afternoon? Are you on

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<v Speaker 2>anything that we need to know about, Shshana.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not anything. That's a lie. I think you

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<v Speaker 3>took something.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you prescribe doctor Handler a beta blocker? I

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<v Speaker 2>would prescribe her a beta blocker. Actually, I've prescribed Simone

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<v Speaker 2>a beta blocker before and with what success. Actually, for

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<v Speaker 2>anyone who's listening, these are my two sisters, Simone and yes, Shashaana,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you're on something. I can tell by

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<v Speaker 2>the smile on your face that you took something, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay. You're allowed to take something if it calms

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<v Speaker 2>your nerves to talk to people.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's go, do you.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>These are my sisters, Simone and Shoshana, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>back by popular demand.

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<v Speaker 3>For ciss Cissy Advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly popular, like your episode is one of our most

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<v Speaker 1>listened to last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't tell them they're gonna want to get into my

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<v Speaker 2>cash flow if they know that, so don't give them

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<v Speaker 2>too much background.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, please, Catherine, keep it to yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Girls, you know what we can talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, to open up our episode today, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the fact that this was funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a friend, Sophie.

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<v Speaker 2>She came to visit us on vacation and she she

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<v Speaker 2>was telling us about an recent experience she had at

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<v Speaker 2>work getting an anonymous three sixty review. So the people

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<v Speaker 2>that report to you or her in her case, reviewed

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<v Speaker 2>her performance as a CEO and gave her feedback about herself.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know why it's called an anonymous three

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<v Speaker 2>sixty because it's not that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty obvious telling, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, she pitched the idea at our life summer

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<v Speaker 2>vacation on the Vineyard when we were all together that

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<v Speaker 2>we should do a performance anonymous three sixty review our

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<v Speaker 2>family members our family members to see who fucking has

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<v Speaker 2>earned the right to be on the trip and who hasn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like who's contributing? What does this person bring

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<v Speaker 2>to the table. Does this person make drinks for everyone?

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<v Speaker 2>Does this person cook?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what?

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<v Speaker 5>And everybody's on board.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody got it very very nervous, and especially Shshana and

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<v Speaker 2>Simone were like, we're not doing that. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a great idea, and Sewn is like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>who's gonna review you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I have no secrets review me. I already

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<v Speaker 3>know what you all think of me.

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<v Speaker 4>And the only ones that really need to be nervous

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<v Speaker 4>are the in laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, and they know why.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but I mean, you know you can't you come

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<v Speaker 6>to the family. You know, your personality should have been

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<v Speaker 6>checked before the marriage, not now twenty years later.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if they're gonna get booted.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because of the exposure, the repetitive exposure that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>subjected to, has made me rethink my strategy.

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<v Speaker 3>Gee, I didn't know twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>That I wasn't gonna want a vacation with everybody all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. Now I know because I've done it so

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<v Speaker 2>many times that I have Like I it would be

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<v Speaker 2>called a non anonymous three sixty. Actually we renamed it

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<v Speaker 2>a non monogamous three sixty, which I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 2>that has anything to do with, but that's where we

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<v Speaker 2>went with it. So anyway, just thoughts that are spinning around.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of vacations we have. I threaten my

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<v Speaker 2>family when we go away that this may be the

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<v Speaker 2>last trip ever.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's pretty much the pattern.

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<v Speaker 4>But let's face it, it's the in laws that are going

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<v Speaker 4>to be at the top of the list.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, well I guess you're trying to build

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<v Speaker 2>immunity for yourself.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, this is like survivor, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I decided to do so another way for

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<v Speaker 2>me to avoid my in laws is I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know why I have in laws.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't get married, you know, why do I have

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with this?

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<v Speaker 2>So I decided to take all my nieces and nephews

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<v Speaker 2>to my Orca and I was like, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>good work around to avoid the other adult set, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of But now I have two interlopers, my

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<v Speaker 2>brother Glenn and Roy have invaded the trip. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing an all boys trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently. I put them in.

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<v Speaker 2>A hotel together, in a hotel room with two beds

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<v Speaker 2>for two sixty year old men, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be fucking out of this world an adventure.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're the two most opposite people you can put together, basically, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, one's neat and one's a big slum.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Roy travels with a garbage bag as his suitcase.

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<v Speaker 4>Well no, no, he goes shopping wherever he ends up

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<v Speaker 4>and just buys some clothes there he travels.

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<v Speaker 2>Light shopping is in quotes because I wouldn't call what

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing shopping. It's like he picks up the basic necessities.

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<v Speaker 2>So he'll get boxer shorts and maybe a couple T

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<v Speaker 2>shirts and some gross, you know, sweatpant outfit thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And something is he buys the T shirt from the

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<v Speaker 6>place he's visiting, so all week long he's wearing the

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<v Speaker 6>T shirt from the place the tourist buy. So it's

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<v Speaker 6>like Martha's Vineyard all week or Edgartown and that's where

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<v Speaker 6>he is. It doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Roy is very much like our father.

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<v Speaker 2>Our father was a slob, but not when he was younger,

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<v Speaker 2>only when he was older.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he got older, everything went down.

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<v Speaker 2>It went downhill, right Like when I grew up. He

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<v Speaker 2>would show up to my softball games. It was the

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<v Speaker 2>sweaters covered in dog hair and just you know, embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, slip on sneakers, what are those things

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<v Speaker 2>that he wore?

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<v Speaker 5>Those where you little duck shoes, little l Yeah, but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Never put his foot fully in, so there's always half

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<v Speaker 2>of his foot hanging.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just so gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Roy has picked up some Seanna you have picked

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<v Speaker 2>up some of the Dad's habits too.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, Oh really, would you care to expand?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure I want to hear this.

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<v Speaker 5>You're gonna have to give examples.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, Simone, I don't know. You're

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<v Speaker 3>not a slob.

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<v Speaker 5>I can give you one example that your driving skills

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<v Speaker 5>are very much like Dad. Like you. Stops are just

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<v Speaker 5>like a suggestion.

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<v Speaker 6>To you, but behind places like you're like weaving in

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<v Speaker 6>and out of traffic.

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<v Speaker 3>Vashume he's a lunatic driver. I'm also not.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also a driver that's better on my own than

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<v Speaker 2>having any passengers because I don't want to hear about

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<v Speaker 2>it what I'm up to on the road.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen, in New Jersey, it's every man for himself. You

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<v Speaker 4>have to just survive, so you gotta do what you

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<v Speaker 4>gotta do. It's genetic, though, is it. Yeah? I mean

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<v Speaker 4>I learned to drive from him. We had to follow

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<v Speaker 4>him to pick up used cars. And in order to

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<v Speaker 4>follow him, you had to go through every red yellow

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<v Speaker 4>light that existed just to stay with him because there

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<v Speaker 4>was no you know, cell phone with directions like if

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<v Speaker 4>you lost him, you were on your own and you

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<v Speaker 4>would find a pay phone.

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<v Speaker 2>He would be like, Hey, I need you to come

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<v Speaker 2>with me to pick up a car, and you're like fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you had to go follow him to Verona

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<v Speaker 2>or West Orange or something. And he never would stop

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<v Speaker 2>at stop signs. Yellow lights meant go, red lights meant

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<v Speaker 2>go slow through them while you look both ways.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>And then if you didn't keep up with him, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>scream at you and be like, why weren't you following me?

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, because I'm he's not a fucking lunatic.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's why I drive that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some special driving skills too. They're not they're

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<v Speaker 2>not great. I mean I I think they're great, but

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<v Speaker 2>most people don't. Most people don't drive it with me

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<v Speaker 2>because they they'll get sick. But Shashana when Charlie was

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<v Speaker 2>a little girl, remember she she got cars sick the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time. When you would take her to school every morning,

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<v Speaker 2>they thought she was she had motion sickness, which she does,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was because Shawna gave it to her drivers,

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<v Speaker 2>which she was.

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<v Speaker 3>Shana.

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<v Speaker 2>She would just and then in Africa this summer she

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<v Speaker 2>threw up on the plane.

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<v Speaker 5>No, she's had motion sickness. Every trip we've ever been on.

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<v Speaker 4>She really had motion sickness and it was more like

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<v Speaker 4>for long drive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but she got the motion sickness from your driving.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you're entitled to your opinion, Simon.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you have to say for yourself?

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<v Speaker 5>Not much. I'm at work, girl, So this is you know,

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<v Speaker 5>this is a little low.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's not that down low, Simon, because we have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that listen to this podcast, so

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Find out, Oh, I'm at work.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you're at work giving it life advice to people.

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<v Speaker 4>This is your lunch hour. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So you want to talk about menopause.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, let's talk about that, because actually this is a subject.

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<v Speaker 4>Where are you with your menopause journey?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know because I got an ablazion after Simone

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<v Speaker 2>got one and she told me about it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I went and got one immediately, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I where I am because I don't get a

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<v Speaker 2>people the way, have.

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<v Speaker 5>You told your listeners about that procedure, because that.

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<v Speaker 6>Procedure is not very like well known and doctors don't

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<v Speaker 6>talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>An ablazion we've talked about it, Yeah, we have we have. Yeah, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's amazing. It's the best thing I've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean not ever, but it's one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>things I've ever done. It's amazing once you stop getting

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<v Speaker 2>your period, that you just forget about periods altogether. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it should be like more of a season of gratefulness

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate no more periods before you just ease into

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 3>Because if someone.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I would have gotten rid of it when

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<v Speaker 2>I was sixteen, if I had known about this Ablasian thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But for most people, they have to go through everything else.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, most people are not getting an Ablasian to

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<v Speaker 4>start menopause.

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<v Speaker 5>But they should.

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<v Speaker 6>Like that's my point, Like if people like goo, they suffer,

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<v Speaker 6>they have heavy periods, they have accidents then, and the

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<v Speaker 6>doctor never brings up that this is an option. That's

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<v Speaker 6>my point is that it's like such a great option

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<v Speaker 6>if you're done having kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And you had a good experience with that, Oh my.

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<v Speaker 6>God, it took like fifteen minutes and then my life

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<v Speaker 6>was like back on track.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 6>It was literally anemic for like two years before that,

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<v Speaker 6>and it just solved that problem overnight.

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<v Speaker 3>SHAWNA. Do you still get your period?

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<v Speaker 4>No, So a lot of people don't know this. The

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<v Speaker 4>definition of menopause is the day. It's one day, twelve

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<v Speaker 4>months after you've stopped getting periods. It's literally one day.

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<v Speaker 3>So good to know.

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<v Speaker 4>You're either premenopausal, which happens like for years before you

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<v Speaker 4>actually go through menopause, or your postmenopausal, or you have

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<v Speaker 4>menopause for one day. So there's pretty much before or after.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, I have I probably a year and a half,

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<v Speaker 4>so I am postmenopausal, but I'm suffering from hot flashes,

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<v Speaker 4>night sweats, mood swings, poor sleep, weight gain.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't say that's menopause. You would say that's postmenopausal

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<v Speaker 2>because those are all menopausal symptoms.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, all these symptoms can happen before, during, and after.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, So so menopause is the day you said,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve months after you've had your last period. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that one day, Yeah, like Halloween.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly one day. I've never heard that before.

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<v Speaker 6>I always thought it was a period of time that

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<v Speaker 6>you're having symptoms.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not the whole period of time.

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<v Speaker 4>No, people just confuse the term and it's just become like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, vernacular. But really it's not, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just the literally that one day that you're one year

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<v Speaker 4>without any period.

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, well that's that's good information to know.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, but that all these symptoms can last from

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a year to ten years even.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know if I have symptoms.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I sometimes wake up sweaty and that that's something,

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know about other symptoms.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what are the other symptoms, memory.

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<v Speaker 4>Memory loss or memory problems, trouble, sleeping, hot splashes, night sweats,

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<v Speaker 4>vaginal dryness.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, that sounds hot. Thank you for bringing that up.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, what time is it is? It's not

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<v Speaker 2>even noon. I want to talk about vaginal dryness. What

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<v Speaker 2>are people supposed to do about vaginal dryness?

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<v Speaker 3>Lube? Is that what you're supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 2>And are you supposed to lubricate your vagina when you're

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<v Speaker 2>having sex only or are you supposed to lubricate it

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<v Speaker 2>all the time?

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<v Speaker 3>How does that work?

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<v Speaker 5>That seems like a subject for another project.

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<v Speaker 2>No, guys, this is a health podcast shown us A

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<v Speaker 2>registered nurse, Simone works in the healthcare industry and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>So between the three of us we can figure out.

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<v Speaker 4>So you can't explore hormones, hormone replacement or bioidentical hormones.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, you can supplement with loub.

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<v Speaker 3>Supplement with lube.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not supposed to lubricate your cayslopis every day, right.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think we know the answer to that questioned Again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the answer is no, no, no, pun intended

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<v Speaker 2>or pun intended.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a question about have you both been

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<v Speaker 1>through menopause or like postmenopausal?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So aside from the physical manifestations of it, are

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<v Speaker 1>there any sort of like emotional positive emotional feelings that

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<v Speaker 1>you've gotten, Like, yeah, great. You know, some cultures believe

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<v Speaker 1>that postmenopausal women are like basically your like goddesses because

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<v Speaker 1>you have that sort of strength of character and not

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<v Speaker 1>giving a fuck that you do before you go through puberty.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you feeling any of that? Are you feeling extra confident, happy,

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that?

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like you get that with age, but I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know that it's directly related to hormones or menopause.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like after you get to a certain age,

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<v Speaker 5>you start to give less and less of a fuck.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean about everything, and that you don't like people

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<v Speaker 6>have opinions. You're like whatever, you just don't care. But

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know that that's an effect of menopause. I

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<v Speaker 6>think that menopause does have some like emotional like valleys,

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<v Speaker 6>kind of like this same thing when you're having your

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<v Speaker 6>period or whatever, you're on this sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 6>emotional roller coaster your whole life. I think you go

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<v Speaker 6>through that during menopause too. Some people get really really

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<v Speaker 6>sad and emotional, and some people don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Like it's very very individual.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just so annoying that there's not a barometer

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you when you're feeling those mood swings that

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<v Speaker 2>it's related to your hormones. Like it would be more

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<v Speaker 2>beneficial to say, you have a mood coming on for

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<v Speaker 2>the next two to four days and you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a bitch, Like I want to know that information,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there should be some sort of smart app that

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you, But.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure there is, actually there has to be.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm sure it has to do with your temperature,

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<v Speaker 6>Like you could put something, you could put a monitor

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<v Speaker 6>on you that would be able to show your cycles,

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<v Speaker 6>but nobody you know, because women's health is such a

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<v Speaker 6>low priority in terms of what people are working on.

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<v Speaker 6>It's probably just not out there, but I guarantee that

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<v Speaker 6>that can be easily created.

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<v Speaker 2>And ablationions are recommended highly for people with endometriosis, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because of the Yeah, so if you have endometriosis, you're

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a candidate. Before we take callers, here's an upbeat question.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do your favorite memories from childhood? Lie, Shauna, you

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<v Speaker 2>go first?

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<v Speaker 4>I would have to say Martha's Vineyard for sure. It's,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, still to this day, my favorite place in

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<v Speaker 4>the world. And I just remember like there always being

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<v Speaker 4>somebody around to play with, to hang out with, to

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<v Speaker 4>do something with because we had six kids, and just

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<v Speaker 4>like an endless summer, you know, that just was seemed

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<v Speaker 4>like forever and it was like Cameloin just beautiful, just

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful memories of the beach and the water and warm

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<v Speaker 4>weather and good food and laughing and playing and ticks.

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<v Speaker 4>That would definitely be it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what about you, Simone?

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<v Speaker 6>Actually this came up recently because I was talking to

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<v Speaker 6>someone about mom and different memories that came up, and

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<v Speaker 6>this really really strong memory came up of a trip

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<v Speaker 6>I took with her when I was about ten years old.

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<v Speaker 6>For some reason, she just I don't know, you were

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<v Speaker 6>like an I think she chills. And I took a

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<v Speaker 6>trip with her to California. So it was my first

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<v Speaker 6>trip to Seattle and then LA and it was just

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<v Speaker 6>the two of us, or mom and me, and we

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<v Speaker 6>just did all of.

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<v Speaker 5>This cool stuff together.

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<v Speaker 6>And we rented a car together and I got a

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<v Speaker 6>map and we like went all around LA and all

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<v Speaker 6>around Seattle and it was just like this really really

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<v Speaker 6>I have no idea again why nobody else came, but

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<v Speaker 6>it was just such a really fond memory that I

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<v Speaker 6>have my first plane ride and my first like big city,

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<v Speaker 6>and I don't know, I just had have been thinking

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<v Speaker 6>about that for a while because it was just one

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<v Speaker 6>on one time.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember a time when I was eight or nine

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<v Speaker 2>and Mom took you to look at colleges.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, Simone, now I.

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<v Speaker 2>Must have been seven, because you would have been seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was taking you to look at colleges. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember being so fucking pissed at her for leaving

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<v Speaker 2>me alone with Dad, and I was like unforgiving, like

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote her the nastiest letter.

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<v Speaker 5>You wrote her a letter in response.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like I cannot believe that you would leave

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<v Speaker 2>a seven year old daughter alone with your husband. Been like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is ridiculous and you've deserted me and I Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was so pissed at her for taking that trip.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was another trip you got to take with

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<v Speaker 2>mom alone while I stayed at home with dad.

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<v Speaker 6>All about that, Seanna, where were you in that scenario?

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<v Speaker 6>It seems like you would have been like helping out?

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<v Speaker 4>Now, Yeah, I mean, how old would I have been five?

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<v Speaker 3>Twelve? If I was seven?

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<v Speaker 2>You were twelve once Simone went for the second trip,

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm talking about. Oh, so you were twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>so you were probably torturing me as usual.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably probably, or vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, my favorite memories are for Martha's Vineyard, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I have only fond memories from Martha's Vineyard, even though

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<v Speaker 2>that is where we found out our brother died and

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<v Speaker 2>my brother's favorite place. I think of Martha's Vineyard as

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<v Speaker 2>like the most idyllic childhood scenes. Everything was so nice,

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<v Speaker 2>our bikes and riding into town and hitchhiking and walking

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<v Speaker 2>around in bare Feet and Main Street and Egertown and

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<v Speaker 2>going to South Beach and just the food and the

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<v Speaker 2>blueberries and all this. Yeah, it was really Those are

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite memories.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think it's part of it.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just the freedom we had up there, Like we

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<v Speaker 6>were so lucky that I think that was the single

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<v Speaker 6>best decision probably my father ever made, was to buy

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<v Speaker 6>a house up there. As opposed to all the kids

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<v Speaker 6>that we grew up with, they all went down to

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<v Speaker 6>the Jersey Shore every summer, and I was like jealous

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<v Speaker 6>of that until I realized that Snooky.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she met Snooky and was like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were in the right place at the right.

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<v Speaker 5>Time, in the right place. We got to escape.

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<v Speaker 6>Like I literally had a completely different friend set, different personality,

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<v Speaker 6>like a whole different life up there. It was like

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<v Speaker 6>having literally having a double life. Like living up there

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<v Speaker 6>in the summers was so awesome, and we had so

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<v Speaker 6>much freedom because our parents were always out to lunch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not out to lunch. Not No, they wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 3>go out to lunch. That would have been an improvement.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're going to take a break and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>demand to give it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're giving family advice, right.

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<v Speaker 1>We're giving some sister advice. Yes, we've got some kids advice.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Our first question comes from Jeannette. She is in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>She's in her sixties. I'm from a small town in

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<v Speaker 1>northern Illinois, and my husband and I have been married

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty seven years. Our two sons have graduated college

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<v Speaker 1>and moved to Nashville. They love it. We travel to

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<v Speaker 1>see them once a month. We love the city too,

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<v Speaker 1>comedy clubs, live music, art. We'd like to buy a

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<v Speaker 1>second home in Nashville, but wonder if we should wait

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<v Speaker 1>until the market changes. There are so many opinions on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides whether to wait or not. Financially, we can

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<v Speaker 1>afford it, especially because we spend money on a hotel

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<v Speaker 1>once a month. We love our empty, nesting lives right

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<v Speaker 1>now and love that we can see our kids here

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<v Speaker 1>and there when we visit. What do you think, Jeanette.

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<v Speaker 2>About what getting a second home real estate market? I

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<v Speaker 2>can't get financial advice. I am not equipped for that really.

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<v Speaker 6>First of all, if they're buying a house in Nashville

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<v Speaker 6>because that's where their sons are living and going to college,

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<v Speaker 6>they may not be living there in three years or

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<v Speaker 6>five years, like they might, you know, go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 4>It might go to West.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't pick Nashville because your sons are there.

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<v Speaker 6>If you want a second home, picket wherever you want

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<v Speaker 6>to live, but don't base.

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<v Speaker 2>It on the yes exactly, stay at the hotel that's better.

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<v Speaker 2>You think, yeah, it's more sexy or it's fun. A

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<v Speaker 2>house is a pantastic You don't buy a house because

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<v Speaker 2>you don't follow your children to college so.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all graduated.

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<v Speaker 5>People do follow their kids to college. People do I know?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just met a coproge did it. I was like what,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, Oh, our kids are in London. I just

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<v Speaker 2>was in it with a couple and they're like, our

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<v Speaker 2>kids are in London, so we're going to London. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like to what follow them around and they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we just want to be close to them.

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<v Speaker 1>See, my mom said that she got advice recently that

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<v Speaker 1>like people full her age and she's in her seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, go move where your kids are. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>expect them to move home, Like go be by them

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<v Speaker 1>and you can like help out with childcare.

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<v Speaker 4>And well maybe when they have kids and they're older

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<v Speaker 4>and they've starting their own families, you're gonna want to

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<v Speaker 4>see your grandkids and you want to help with them.

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<v Speaker 4>But when they're in college, you know, just go get

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<v Speaker 4>out Airbnb or hotel and you know, hang out a

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<v Speaker 4>few days or whatever. But I mean to buy a house,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a pretty big commitment.

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<v Speaker 3>Shot out.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a recent empty nester. What do you have to

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<v Speaker 2>say for yourself?

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<v Speaker 4>Listen, it's hard. It's hard. I only have one that left.

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<v Speaker 4>I have one still in high school. My daughter just

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<v Speaker 4>left for college this year, and it's been a major transition.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when you when they're little and you start

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<v Speaker 4>a family, you never really think about that day that's

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<v Speaker 4>going to come and they're going to go off to

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<v Speaker 4>college somewhere far away, And it is really a slap

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<v Speaker 4>in the face. To be honest, what is happening? Like

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<v Speaker 4>how did I get here?

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean a.

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<v Speaker 5>Slap in the face. That's exactly what you want them

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<v Speaker 5>to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean I know, but you know it's really

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<v Speaker 4>like I just was not ready emotionally like ouch, Like

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<v Speaker 4>that sucked.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the tell us about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm sure a lot of women are listening that

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<v Speaker 2>are experiencing at so talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's lots of excitement, of course for your

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<v Speaker 4>child to start this new adventure, and you want them

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<v Speaker 4>to have a great experience and leading up to it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you are trying to be positive and encouraging,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, but in the back of your mind there's

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<v Speaker 4>just this little bit of dread or sadness, like when

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<v Speaker 4>that day actually happens, Like what am I going to do?

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<v Speaker 4>Am I going to like completely break down in front

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<v Speaker 4>of my child? Am I going to pull it together?

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<v Speaker 4>Am I gonna what's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>And what did happen? Shauna?

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<v Speaker 4>So Mike and I my husband Mike, Charlie's dad, we

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<v Speaker 4>took her to college. We spent a few days and

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<v Speaker 4>got her all set, decorated a room, and her roommate

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<v Speaker 4>went out to dinner and we did really well, and

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<v Speaker 4>then it was time to go and we kept it

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<v Speaker 4>together until we shut the door. When we said goodbye,

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<v Speaker 4>literally in the hallway of her dorm, about ten feet

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<v Speaker 4>from closing the door and saying final device, we both

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<v Speaker 4>started crying. And unfortunately for my son Russell, who's fourteen,

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<v Speaker 4>and he was like, what the fuck are you guys doing?

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<v Speaker 4>It was like I'm so embarrassed, but we were both crying.

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<v Speaker 6>It was it's not just bad, like that moment is

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<v Speaker 6>really bittersweet, and you know, because you're like happy for them,

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<v Speaker 6>but you're sad and all that stuff, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 6>like the change in the dynamic of the family that changes.

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<v Speaker 5>So now Russell, like.

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<v Speaker 6>The two of you are focusing your attention on him

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<v Speaker 6>because she's away and doing whatever she wants and studying,

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<v Speaker 6>and he's kind of like the center of your activity now,

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<v Speaker 6>and the whole dynamic changes. And I think that's what

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<v Speaker 6>you can't predict how that changes.

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<v Speaker 4>Right right definitely after is you know, it's a whole

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<v Speaker 4>different environment. My Charlie is much more outgoing and loud.

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<v Speaker 4>My son Russell is more quiet, and he plays video

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<v Speaker 4>games and keeps to himself, and now we do focus

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<v Speaker 4>a lot more attention on him and you know, he

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<v Speaker 4>guys didn't really like it, but so well, but we're

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<v Speaker 4>or we're all just figuring it out and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's fine. It's just different and it gets better as

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<v Speaker 4>it goes, like each month gets a little easier. And

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<v Speaker 4>also knowing that your child is doing well makes it

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<v Speaker 4>a lot easier. You know, my daughter's happy, she's thriving,

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<v Speaker 4>she has lots of new friends, and that definitely like

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<v Speaker 4>makes you feel better about the whole situation. And thank

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<v Speaker 4>god for FaceTime and you know, texting all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's the worst one is the first one? Right?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't know. I think it depends how you

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<v Speaker 5>know your dynamic.

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<v Speaker 6>Like for me, I think the first one was hard,

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<v Speaker 6>but I still had two kids at home, so it

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<v Speaker 6>was like I went home to a busy household. It

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't like every day I was thinking about Jake being

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<v Speaker 6>away and you know, how is he doing? And I

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<v Speaker 6>think by the time Seneca was ready to go to college,

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<v Speaker 6>I was like totally ready, like here go, you go

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<v Speaker 6>do your thing. And so you know, while I still

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<v Speaker 6>miss her, it's not the same thing. It's like I'm

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<v Speaker 6>ready to be an adult in the of her and

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<v Speaker 6>independent of kids, and she's ready to go off to college.

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<v Speaker 6>So but it kind of got easier with each one,

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<v Speaker 6>not harder.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember telling mom and Dad that I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to California, that I was going to drive across country

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<v Speaker 2>and move in with Gaby and Terry, our aunt and uncle.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like, please go, you know, like, don't

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<v Speaker 2>wait another second. And Dad went and got me four

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<v Speaker 2>new tires for the car that I was driving across country.

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<v Speaker 2>He had never ever sprung for four new tires for

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<v Speaker 2>any car I drove, and he'd got me four new tires.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like, don't let the door hit you

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<v Speaker 2>on the way out, like we are so fucking sick

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<v Speaker 2>of you. And it was the best decision I ever made,

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<v Speaker 2>because then I then I started to like my family again,

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<v Speaker 2>once I got enough distance.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, three thousand miles. It's the perfect amount of distance.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, a drive across country will set anybody straight, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>I do remember though, when Simone went to college.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a big gut punch for me because she

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<v Speaker 2>was my ally in my house against my father. She

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<v Speaker 2>would be our mediator and I did not get along

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<v Speaker 2>with my father for those years. And she went to

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<v Speaker 2>college to Emory, which I visited her frequently.

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<v Speaker 3>And Shauna, you did too right.

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<v Speaker 4>Only with the family, not by myself. Okay, I think

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<v Speaker 4>went by yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, you went rogue and came over when you

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<v Speaker 6>were eleven years old. I think mom and dad like

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<v Speaker 6>sent you on a plane to visit me. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>really understand how this went down, but you were eleven,

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<v Speaker 6>and so that means I was twenty one and I

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<v Speaker 6>took you everywhere I went, and I took you, which she.

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<v Speaker 2>Took me to my first bar called Pj's in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 2>and I went in and she got carted and I

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<v Speaker 2>did it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was eleven, so that gives eleven.

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<v Speaker 6>They didn't really think you were there to drink, but well, sorry,

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<v Speaker 6>I left you.

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<v Speaker 5>But I had to do it. You had to grow

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<v Speaker 5>up somehow.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that was traumatizing, actually very traumatizing, being alone

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<v Speaker 2>with my fucking parents.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, anyway, I'm glad I got that off my chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's call the Amos almost so, Lene is our next caller.

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<v Speaker 2>Shauna, stopped moving your fucking camera around. You're making me nauseous.

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<v Speaker 4>It's saying that I have low bandwidth.

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<v Speaker 2>You do because you're going in and out. You're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crackling up.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I'm moving relocated.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, We're gonna hurt you in the basement.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Shauna to a tea.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time she calls, it's like hello, Hello, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah I think so Shanna, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well our next color is Lane.

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<v Speaker 3>Lane Bryant.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm hm, Lane, says dear Chelsea. About two years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I got out of a ten year relationship. Then a

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<v Speaker 1>month ago, I got out of a one year long

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<v Speaker 1>distance friends with benefits scenario that started as something sexy

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<v Speaker 1>and fun, but feelings were caught and it turned into

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<v Speaker 1>an exclusive, confusing situationship with a bit of an emotional ending.

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<v Speaker 1>So she originally had emailed to talk about how she

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<v Speaker 1>can find a friends with benefit situation, but she updated

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<v Speaker 1>with since I wrote in I've had a change of heart.

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<v Speaker 1>I recently read an awesome book How to Be Single,

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<v Speaker 1>and it got me excited and wanting to embrace the

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<v Speaker 1>solo time. I want to prioritize being present and intentional

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<v Speaker 1>in my decisions, and I need a break from getting

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>caught up in relation and situationships. All of this was

0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>further sparked by your episode with Jane Fonda and the

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<v Speaker 1>caller discussing her divorce. That was me a year and

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<v Speaker 1>a half ago, and I'm at a place now where

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell people like that caller, you'll make it

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<v Speaker 1>through to the other side and it can actually feel great.

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<v Speaker 1>So my question is what strategies do you have for

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<v Speaker 1>staying present and intentional, staying strong in moments of loneliness,

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<v Speaker 1>and overcoming societal pressures. In terms of relationships, Lane.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi lay these are my sisters, Shashana and Simoe.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh I want to fother me too.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, So where do you want to begin? Where?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you want to know how to stay present

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<v Speaker 2>and focus or tips to stay present and focus. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I want to say something about loneliness. I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't. I think a lot of us are confused

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<v Speaker 2>about what loneliness is because we're so scared of it.

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>And like, being alone doesn't necessarily mean you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be feeling lonely, right, being alone can be very fulfilling

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>when you use your time and spend it in ways

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>that make you happy, like reading a really good book

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>or exercising or just watching TV in bed or whatever

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>you're stuff is, whatever you like to do. Any opportunity

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I get to be by myself, I jump at it.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a long time not being able to be alone,

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<v Speaker 2>but I appreciate my alone time. And I think as

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<v Speaker 2>you get older, you become much more comfortable with yourself

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<v Speaker 2>and your alone time. So don't obfuscate loneliness with being alone.

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<v Speaker 7>Definitely, And I think, like that's something I'm just currently

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.239
<v Speaker 7>going through the process of learning and really embracing. I

0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 7>think I spent, you know, many years in a long

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.920
<v Speaker 7>term relationship, and you know, towards the end of that,

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 7>things just weren't feeling right anymore. And then after I

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 7>left it, I kind of fell into this old pattern

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 7>of maybe that little feeling of loneliness creeps in and

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 7>then you start reaching out to things that you don't

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 7>actually want or maybe that you're not ready for. And

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 7>so I'm just right now trying to find ways to

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 7>like quiet that loneliness feeling, I guess, and really just

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 7>embrace and be excited about being on my own, because

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 7>I don't necessarily think being alone is a scary thing.

0:30:56.920 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 7>It's something really exciting that I really just want to

0:30:59.160 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 7>embrace right now.

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.479
<v Speaker 2>You should write down when you're feeling that way, like

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>feeling really lonely, and write the situation around it, like

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 2>what happened to your day, what happened during your day?

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Who did you talk to? Why are you feeling lonely?

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>The more you examine things, the more they kind of

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 2>go away. I feel like you kind of face it

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 2>head on, where you're like, oh, this is interesting, I'm

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>feeling this right now. Why am I feeling this? What

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 2>happens today to make me feel this way? Is this

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 2>a result of something else that happened last week? You

0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>know that kind of stuff. It's almost just like a

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 2>practice of getting to know yourself so that you get

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>into a more comfortable ease with yourself in your alone time.

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean all three of us, as Simo and Shashana

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 2>and myself spend an ordered amount of time alone. I

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 2>would say, but okay, what was your other topic that

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to discuss?

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 6>You're asking me about being present, trying to be more present.

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think president just really intentional, Like I think

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 7>I met this like new area in my life for

0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:51.280
<v Speaker 7>a new chapter where I just have time to really

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 7>get to know myself, and I just don't I think

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 7>like sometimes it's like easy where especially kind of like

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 7>I guess one of the things I talked about was

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 7>like societal pressure. Your friends are like, oh, I could

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 7>set you up with someone, or you have someone that

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 7>asks you out, and you're like, oh, I couldn't be

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 7>interested in pursuing that. But I just like don't want

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 7>any noise of that right now. I just want to

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:12.680
<v Speaker 7>kind of embrace being president intentional, and when I am

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 7>ready to like kind of move into dating or anything

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.239
<v Speaker 7>kind of casual, I just want to be able to

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 7>like be very clear and my decision making and my

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 7>choices and just be really confident in all of that.

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And not get roped into a relationship right exactly.

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 7>Like I think it's so easy where like if you

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 7>kind of like meet someone and then all of a sudden,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 7>like you kind of get that attachment to them and

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.640
<v Speaker 7>they kind of feeled, you know, that void of comfort

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 7>or validation, and I just don't want to I don't

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 7>want someone else to provide that for me. I want

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 7>to be able to provide that for myself right now

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.080
<v Speaker 7>and really kind of lead into that.

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 5>It sounds like you know what you want.

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Actually, you sound like you're being pretty intentional.

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Like I think what you're saying about.

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 6>You know, having you finally have some time alone, you

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 6>want to get to know yourself better, Like act on that,

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 6>like write down the things that you want to do

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 6>for yourself.

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you're going to meet people along the way.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:05.239
<v Speaker 6>There will always be people trying to set you up

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 6>or whatever, but you don't have to jump into that.

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 6>You can just be very intentional about saying that's nice,

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 6>but that's not where I am right now. You know,

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 6>you can still be social, you can still go out,

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 6>but focus on the things that bring you joy or

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 6>things that you've wanted to try that you've never tried.

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is a like.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of freedom that comes with being alone too,

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 6>Like there's a lot of obligations when you're committed to someone,

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 6>not necessarily in a bad way. But now that you

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 6>have this time in this space, Like why don't you

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 6>explore that a little bit, Like go a little bit

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:36.560
<v Speaker 6>deeper and try to spend some time on what you

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 6>really want to do and that those things that you

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 6>like they shouldn't go away if you start a relationship either.

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:44.960
<v Speaker 5>That's something to keep in mind. Like I think a

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 5>lot of people like do.

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 6>Things when they're alone, and then there are things when

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 6>they have their partner, and those things don't always overlap,

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 6>which I think can be really problematic.

0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 7>Definitely, And I think kind of along with what you're

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 7>saying is within the last couple of months, I've just

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 7>found this new ground energy, a way to show up

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 7>for friends and family in a way that I maybe

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 7>wasn't fully able to when you are in relationship.

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 3>Totally totally, but I do.

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 7>Find too, like, especially when you're like friends or family

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 7>members that are like, are you happy you're alone? And

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 7>I just want to be like, well, I just don't

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 7>feel like alone is a bad word, and how do I? Yeah,

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:20.319
<v Speaker 7>But every now and then, you know, you have that

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 7>like kind of dark, lonely voice that does come in,

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 7>and I just want to remind myself of the times

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 7>like right now where I'm feeling very much more like

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.839
<v Speaker 7>strong about it and happier in content with it.

0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>And you should write that down too, Like when you're

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.200
<v Speaker 2>feeling great and positive, you should write down that and

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the events around it that led you there, you know,

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 2>the kind of day you're having. Because I do think

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>you're on the right track. Everything you're saying, it sounds

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 2>very intentional those.

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 6>Comments from other people. Again, they're coming from all different places,

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:51.439
<v Speaker 6>from society, from norms whatever, Like you have to kind

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 6>of you know, you don't have to be rude about it,

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 6>but like that's just their stuff. Like you don't have

0:34:56.160 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 6>to put that on you. If you're enjoying this time

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.839
<v Speaker 6>and you're exploring and you're writing these things down where

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 6>you're enjoying your time alone, like not of that matters.

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.479
<v Speaker 6>That's just preconceived notions that they have that they're trying

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 6>to put on you.

0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>They're not about you, or they just have nothing to say,

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>so they say that because that's what people say. I've

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 2>said it to people before, Like it's just a pointless comment.

0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>It's not helpful anyway. And also I always play this

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.200
<v Speaker 2>game with myself when I am dating someone casually, like

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:26.080
<v Speaker 2>to keep it casual. I always say to myself, like, okay,

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 2>say we have plans on a Friday night. I'm like, okay,

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 2>we have plans. I have plants with this fun guy

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 2>on Friday night. That'll be fun. And then I always

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>say to myself, if that doesn't work out for some reason,

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I still have a million other options or I'm going

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>to do this or I'm I'm gonna be happy doing this.

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 2>I always kind of keep myself in check that way

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 2>when I'm starting out with some casual fling with somebody,

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 2>so that I make sure I know, like, this is

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 2>a fun thing.

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 3>To have, but this is not the source of my happiness.

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 2>It's good to remind yourself that you are going to

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>have a good time, and whether you're with someone or

0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 2>whether you're without them, it's just going to be a

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>different time if you're with them. But to remind yourself

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.360
<v Speaker 2>of your own source. You're the one who's bringing the

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 2>vibes to your life, not necessarily someone else. They can

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>always help, but no one is the source of another

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>person's happiness.

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 6>And what were you doing for yourself right now is

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 6>going to actually read benefits if you the next time

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.920
<v Speaker 6>you are in a relationship, you know, getting to know yourself,

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 6>spending time with yourself so that you know sort of

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 6>what you want out of life and out of a

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 6>relationship in the future. So teriship because you don't know

0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:27.040
<v Speaker 6>how long it's going to last, and you know it's

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 6>going to benefit you in the long run too.

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:31.320
<v Speaker 1>And someone I know you mentioned like of course Leane's

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 1>going to like go through her life and be meeting people.

0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Is there a way do you threethink to differentiate between like,

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>oh I met someone and I actually am really into

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 1>them versus like they just happen to be there, and

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>so I'm falling into this.

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes when you're in a new relationship, you lose yourself.

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.520
<v Speaker 4>You kind of want to be what you think they

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 4>need or what they want. I've done that in the past,

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.359
<v Speaker 4>and it's like you kind of just forget who you

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 4>are a little bit, and then you kind of get

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 4>off course. And you know, it's great just to stay grounded,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 4>remember who you are and take it slow and don't

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 4>lose yourself. Remember what you like, what you want, what

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 4>you are. If that person's really worth it, or you

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:14.959
<v Speaker 4>know it was the one you might end up with,

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.439
<v Speaker 4>they're going to love you the way that you are.

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 4>You know, you don't need to change or or get

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 4>ahead of yourself or make changes about yourself to fit them.

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 4>You've got to be you know, secure and who you are.

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you sound like you are secure and who

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 2>you are and you're only getting to know yourself better,

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>which is just going to be like you're putting money

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 2>in the bank of your happiness, so I don't think

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have any problems. And also listen, as

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>we get older and more mature, we stop taking every

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 2>little interaction so seriously with men, even when it is

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.000
<v Speaker 2>a fling, like we start to understand the difference and

0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 2>we don't get that attachment that happens sometimes when we're

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>in our twenties and thirties.

0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:51.200
<v Speaker 3>Once you hit your.

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Forties, you're like, oh no, no, no, Like that's a

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>temporary gig.

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 3>You're not a person in my life.

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, you just grow into it and you

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 2>understand that certain people are just visitors and then other

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 2>people are going to stay.

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 6>And I would just add one little point as just

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.040
<v Speaker 6>setting being be really clear. You know, if you are

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 6>dating someone, like, be really clear about your intention. Okay,

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 6>I am not looking for something. If they're looking for

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 6>long term relationship and you're not, then that's probably not

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 6>a place to start dating.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 5>You have to be really clear about like this is

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:19.439
<v Speaker 5>where I am in my life.

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.000
<v Speaker 6>I have no interest in that, and just be clear

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 6>about communicating that to them so that you're not you

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 6>don't end up with the wrong person.

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 4>And I guess along that way.

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 7>Length is like, what is it good approach for when

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 7>you're kind of entering into the dating world again, Like,

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 7>how do you communicate that to someone Like I'm just

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.839
<v Speaker 7>like not looking for anything super serious at this point

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 7>in time. When's a good tak to say that?

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 6>Really early on? I think, I mean anything to jump

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 6>in here, but I think really early.

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 3>On, I don't know. That's kind of like a smoan.

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Think about it.

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:51.839
<v Speaker 2>When you're on your dating sites. Do you like hearing

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>that right out of the gate? I mean, I guess

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe it would be helpful.

0:38:55.840 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean all those those apps actually are set

0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 6>up that way, so they say like I want a

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 6>short I want short term fun, I just want a

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 6>one night stand, I want a long term relationship, I'm

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 6>looking to get married. All those options are on there.

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes to all of that, But I also don't think

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>that you need to say that right off the bat,

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 2>because what if you end up dating a guy that

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.359
<v Speaker 2>you're like, well, wow, this is actually a really good match.

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:18.839
<v Speaker 3>This is a healthy relationship.

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 2>We have like it's a great give and take, we

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.359
<v Speaker 2>compliment each other, and then you're like, oh, okay, maybe

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I can have a relationship. I don't think you have

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>to be like black and white about things at the

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 2>outset as you're dating them. And if you're like, oh,

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 2>this guy needs to know like he's falling in love

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.359
<v Speaker 2>with me, he needs to know this is casual. Then yes,

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>don't string somebody along that you're not interested in. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know that it has to be like

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing you say, yea.

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<v Speaker 3>And listen, you're smart, Lane, you don't even fucking need us.

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're fine, you're beautiful, you're smart, you're intelligent. You're

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 2>taking time to be alone. Every woman should be doing this.

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.520
<v Speaker 2>And good luck with everything because I know you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a good life.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, Okay, wonderful to me too. All have a

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<v Speaker 7>great day.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay you too?

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, take care bye.

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 3>Shshana.

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 2>You are making me nauseous. Are you in a place

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 2>where you're getting a signal? You have been walking around

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 2>this entire episode.

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 4>Everywhere I go it says low bandwidth?

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 3>But how can you have low bandwidth in your house? How?

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 1>How?

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:17.880
<v Speaker 4>I guess it's time to call Verizon?

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, anyway, okay, we have one last caller, guys, so

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<v Speaker 2>just fucking focus.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've got Hannah on the line here Hannah is

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<v Speaker 1>having some baby daddy issues. She says, I'm a single

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>parent living in a beach town in the South with

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<v Speaker 1>my five year old daughter. I have a wonderful new

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>partner coming up on a year and we are so happy.

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>He's also a single dad. Baby daddy had a lot

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of issues, alcohol, drugs, pathological liar, the list goes on,

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and he split when my little one was two. He

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.960
<v Speaker 1>lives in New York now supposedly never paid a cent

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 1>in child support, held in contempt by the courts. Took

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 1>years to track him down so I could obtain full

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.400
<v Speaker 1>legal custody, and I had to trick him in signing

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 1>the papers by telling him he could be a part

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of my daughter's life. He finally signed, and of course

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm desperate to close this chapter for good. Now he's

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 1>angry and suddenly wants to be a part of her life.

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm so against this, as he's very inconsistent and unreliable,

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and who can know for sure if he's changed. I

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>want to protect my daughter, of course, but I feel

0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>a little guilty. At the same time. I do not

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<v Speaker 1>feel safe having him re enter her life. But am

0:41:22.760 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>I being too harsh? How can I set boundaries with

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>someone who has no concept of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah, Hi, Hannah, Hi, Hannah, Hi Hannah, Hi, Hi.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 3>These are my sisters.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi. You said you signed some papers. What were the

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.799
<v Speaker 4>specifics on that? Because I didn't. It wasn't clear like

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<v Speaker 4>what he signed.

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<v Speaker 8>Away or so I would prefer of something was signed away.

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<v Speaker 8>But the final point, like case clothes, that we got

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<v Speaker 8>to was soul cost city parent. It was just like

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 8>when we first started, so so long ago. I was like,

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 8>let's go parent, let's try this. Like I'm a very positive,

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 8>open minded person. I was like, yeah, let's do it.

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 8>So the original agreement was shared custody, and I just

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 8>finally got soul custody because I'm the only parent here.

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<v Speaker 5>So he's on the other coast, he's far.

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:12.359
<v Speaker 8>Away, he's allegedly in New York.

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<v Speaker 6>When he says he wants to be part of her life,

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 6>what does he mean by that if he doesn't live

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:17.720
<v Speaker 6>anywhere nearby.

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 8>I'm not sure, Like it's very unclear. So those messages,

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 8>those begging kind of I've changed, I've changed, I've changed.

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 8>How can you keep her from me? I want to

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<v Speaker 8>be in her life? They come every like four to

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 8>six weeks. Sometimes every few months, and for me, it's

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<v Speaker 8>really challenging to engage every single time and go back

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:41.720
<v Speaker 8>into that loophole and go back into that cycle because

0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:44.279
<v Speaker 8>I have a heart, I have feelings that I was

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<v Speaker 8>super invested in this in like the boundary I've put

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.800
<v Speaker 8>up is I either ignore it, which doesn't feel great,

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:53.399
<v Speaker 8>But it's really hard to engage with him because there's

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:58.000
<v Speaker 8>no like linear result and he doesn't come back into

0:42:58.040 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 8>her life. And I don't think it's fair for a

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:02.879
<v Speaker 8>young child to have that inconsistency and to have.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm ready, let's have

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 9>a FaceTime.

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 5>Let's have a phone call.

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 8>I don't know who you are anymore, but I'm gonna

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 8>try and then gone.

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 5>When when was the last time that they saw each other?

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<v Speaker 9>Like about two years ago?

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:15.840
<v Speaker 5>So does she have any memory of him at this point?

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Not really.

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 8>I'm currently have a new partner and that's been a

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 8>really positive influence and we're moving in together soon. And

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.359
<v Speaker 8>I've even gotten a lot of great feedback from her

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 8>teacher saying how she draws pictures and talks about him

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.240
<v Speaker 8>and is very excited, you know, like he's like included

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 8>in the narrative now and she's like reflected on that

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 8>that has been a positive thing, whereas in the past,

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 8>like she's like even mentioned her friends, like yeah, I

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 8>don't I don't have a dad. You know, it's very

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 8>clear from a young age, like the different families options

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 8>that they are, and you know, we have family events

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 8>and she doesn't have a person there.

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 6>I feel like he is showing you who he is

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 6>by only reaching out every six weeks. It sounds like

0:43:57.120 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 6>either guilt or family members of his that are like saying, hey,

0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 6>what about your daughter and you should really push that

0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 6>or whatever wherever it's coming from. You have to, like,

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 6>he has to show up in a much better way

0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 6>for you to even consider him having a part in

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 6>her life like he has. I think you have to

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 6>tell him, look, I can't deal with this on again

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:18.680
<v Speaker 6>off again stuff. If you want to be part of

0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 6>her life, you have to do ABC and D and

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 6>those things would be like, you know, you have to

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<v Speaker 6>show me that you're gonna support her. You're going to

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<v Speaker 6>show me that you're going to show up on a

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<v Speaker 6>regular basis.

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 5>You have to do all these things that like demonstrate

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 5>that he really means it.

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 6>Otherwise you shouldn't have to deal with him at all

0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:38.240
<v Speaker 6>because it's very unhealthy for her, and that's the most

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:38.879
<v Speaker 6>important thing.

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 9>Thanks.

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 2>And I also think it's about your health mental health too,

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.520
<v Speaker 2>like he's gonna put such a strain, he's already putting

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>a strain on your mental health and he's not even around,

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>and he hasn't been around, and you have a positive

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:52.919
<v Speaker 2>influence for her now, It's like, yeah, if he wants

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to show up and come and visit, that's one thing,

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.240
<v Speaker 2>But talking about it doesn't really get you anywhere.

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.479
<v Speaker 5>Yes, he has to put his money with his mouth.

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 4>Is he talking about coming to live there?

0:45:03.640 --> 0:45:06.879
<v Speaker 8>So that's another interesting aspect. The state where I live,

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 8>he has like a I think it's called a bench

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 8>of arrest warrant because if you don't pay child support,

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 8>that's illegal, right, And so he after a certain amount

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 8>of time, it gets written into the courts like he's

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 8>paid zero dollars, So then there's like a warrant out

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.439
<v Speaker 8>for his arrest in this state if he comes back,

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 8>because you can't leave the state and not pay Apparently

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.280
<v Speaker 8>you can't leave the state and not pay child support

0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:30.760
<v Speaker 8>because it's a federal crime.

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I would just love to have the rules about what

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<v Speaker 2>would happen if a fucking woman did that and then

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 2>came back.

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean it's just we would be arrested if

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 3>we tried to fucking pullshit like that.

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<v Speaker 8>So like part of me feels like I could go

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 8>down the petty road and the mean road and put

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 8>all my energy into being negative and getting him in

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 8>trouble and getting back.

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 9>At him and did it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, that's no good.

0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 9>I want to like be free of it.

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you have an obligation to even accept

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>calls and texts from him. I think it's time to block.

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 1>If he has a meaningful change of heart or change

0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 1>of like being and can pay his child support, come

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>back into the state actually, like send you paperwork. I

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:13.800
<v Speaker 1>want to see my child again. Then that's a different issue.

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think you need to be subject to

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>getting these texts in your inbox.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.319
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say block him because that is her daughter's father, Like,

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:25.319
<v Speaker 2>what if something happens and they need to know, and

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 2>you can handle that situation, but getting a text every

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 2>four to six weeks, you don't have to respond to that.

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.280
<v Speaker 2>You could just let it go because I have. Clearly

0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.440
<v Speaker 2>he's not that determined, otherwise he would be texting you

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>more frequently. But I think you've got the right idea.

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Just I think just try not to like limit your

0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 2>engagement with him. You don't have to respond to him.

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.239
<v Speaker 2>He has a bench warrant in the state you're living

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.000
<v Speaker 2>in for not paying child support. That's all he needs

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.680
<v Speaker 2>to know. And if he wants to change, I mean,

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:54.919
<v Speaker 2>that's it. That's all the information that he needs.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 4>He's not paying support. There's no reason for you to

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 4>have them interact in any way. I mean, he's not

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:04.879
<v Speaker 4>even like doing the minimum of what is expected of him,

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 4>so he has to show you that he's going to

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 4>totally turn things around. I mean, he's not paying support,

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 4>he's no right to see his daughter.

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 3>That's true.

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So maybe it's as simple as that, like, sure,

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>once you can pay child support, you can be in

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:18.759
<v Speaker 1>her life. And if that winds up happening, then that's

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>a different conversation.

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 8>I would. I would say, like, Okay, you need to

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 8>do a B and C, make it very clear for

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:25.839
<v Speaker 8>six months, and then after six months we can talk

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 8>about blah blah blah.

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.919
<v Speaker 2>But we'll see, right, Yeah, focus on your good life

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:32.279
<v Speaker 2>that you've got going with your new man.

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:33.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and your kid.

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you owe him anything.

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah.

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 9>Okay, that was the truth that I wanted.

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:41.240
<v Speaker 3>Perfect.

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Thanks Hannah, Bye, Hannah, thank you.

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 1>All Right, Well we'll take a little quick break and

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back with Madison and we'll wrap up.

0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:55.160
<v Speaker 3>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Madison writes in and she says, Dear Chelsea, my

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 1>sister is three year years older than me, and we're

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 1>super close. She's the person that knows me better than

0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I know myself and that I'm most connected to in

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.520
<v Speaker 1>this world. However, I would label her as a quote

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.720
<v Speaker 1>highly sensitive person. Ever since we were little, she's always

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 1>had a very big, strong, and times explosive emotions. This

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:19.200
<v Speaker 1>presents as nearly constant outward irritability to where most people

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 1>in my life thinks she's a bitch, coupled with a

0:48:21.280 --> 0:48:24.160
<v Speaker 1>fairly depressive outlook on herself and her life. I have

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.239
<v Speaker 1>learned to let things go and attribute a lot of

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>her negative energy to her difficulty with dealing with her

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:31.760
<v Speaker 1>own emotions. However, I've also worked a lot to understand

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>myself more, be more assertive with my wants and needs

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.359
<v Speaker 1>and set boundaries with others. My question is this, how

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>can I start to be honest with my sister and

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 1>about how her irritability and mood impact me when I'm

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 1>so worried about hurting her feelings or sending her into

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a highly sensitive feelings spiral.

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:50.280
<v Speaker 3>Madison, Hi, Madison, I'm Madison.

0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 4>Guys.

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 3>Hi, these are my sisters. There are special guests today.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh what perfect guess for.

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<v Speaker 2>I Ah, perfect guess for your situation? Well, I would say, Simon,

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 2>do you want to start? I mean I would be

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 2>the most irritable. I'm not the most sensitive, but I'm

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 2>the most irritated.

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:10.279
<v Speaker 6>And I mean it is a tough situation because this

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 6>is your sister. You said you're close, right.

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I can relate to that.

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:18.799
<v Speaker 6>I'm a little overly sensitive too, so to criticism, but

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 6>I don't like spiral out of control.

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Usually you're not sensitive to criticism about your children. You're

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.880
<v Speaker 2>not sensitive to criticism about yourself. I mean, who's criticizing

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>you for what? When do you get criticism?

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<v Speaker 5>It's happened once or twice.

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 6>Anyway, it's a sensitive area because I think you know

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.640
<v Speaker 6>you care about her, right. I mean, you're very close,

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:40.040
<v Speaker 6>you care about her, but I think at some point

0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.359
<v Speaker 6>you kind of have to. It sounds like she needs

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 6>to talk to someone else, like she needs some assistance

0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 6>in accessing her own emotions and understanding why she's so

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 6>sensitive and why she spirals out of control like this,

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:54.279
<v Speaker 6>like this, this is.

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:54.840
<v Speaker 5>Bigger than you.

0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:58.320
<v Speaker 6>I think she really actually would benefit from seeing a therapist.

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 6>And I'm raising that is probably sensitive too, But if

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 6>you're really thinking about her well being, I think you

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 6>know you can broach it in more gentle ways and

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:10.439
<v Speaker 6>saying like, oh, you know, I don't know, something comes

0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:13.680
<v Speaker 6>up and you Sometimes it's by analogy, Oh my friend

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 6>is seeing a therapist and this is how it's working,

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:18.840
<v Speaker 6>or my friend has this issue. Sometimes, like you have

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 6>to go about it a little sideways as opposed to directly,

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.600
<v Speaker 6>because it sounds like she is super sensitive when you

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 6>if you are talking about her. But I really think

0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:29.960
<v Speaker 6>the two of you can't manage this alone, like she

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 6>needs some assistance.

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 4>It might be fun to go together to therapy a

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 4>few times, like with her and join her and you

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:39.840
<v Speaker 4>can bring up things and with that third party sometimes

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 4>you know, that makes it easier because they can kind

0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 4>of navigate what you both are trying to say, and

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, help break it up where it's just not

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 4>the two of you alone, but somebody to kind of

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 4>help you navigate through what the other person is seeing

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 4>and saying.

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.439
<v Speaker 3>Is that something that you could do? Do you think

0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:58.719
<v Speaker 3>there's a possibility to go to therapy? Would you be

0:50:58.719 --> 0:50:59.800
<v Speaker 3>open to that like together?

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:02.840
<v Speaker 9>I don't know if she'd be open to it together.

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:07.280
<v Speaker 10>I did try that once with her and my mom actually,

0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 10>because they have a kind of contentious relationship and I

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:11.359
<v Speaker 10>am like the peacemaker.

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.759
<v Speaker 9>I'm the middle man that can like interpret for both of.

0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:16.319
<v Speaker 10>Them, and so I kind of was like, I'm over

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:17.719
<v Speaker 10>your guys as shit, and I'm not going to be

0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 10>around you unless we like go to therapy together because

0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:24.320
<v Speaker 10>I can't do this. But that only went for one session,

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 10>and my sister got really defensive, kind of like the

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:33.320
<v Speaker 10>therapist just talking to her about maybe some possible depression

0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:36.799
<v Speaker 10>and that can explain some of the irritability and the sensitivity,

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:41.840
<v Speaker 10>and she just felt like the dynamic was getting pinned

0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 10>on her since we were both there. So I think

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:49.399
<v Speaker 10>maybe Astilla like suggesting a solo adventure for her might

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 10>do better than me going with her.

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:53.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's good, that's good.

0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>And then I think then what you have to do

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.240
<v Speaker 2>is have a sit down and like a face to face,

0:51:57.280 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 2>hard to heart with her and just be like, listen,

0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm walking on eggshells a lot because

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm worried about how you're going to receive information. And

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you want me to feel that way,

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want to feel that way about you,

0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Like you're the person I love the most. Like everything

0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:14.359
<v Speaker 2>you said about her was very moving and touching. But

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, as a sister, I mean, if you're not

0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 2>going to tell her who the fuck is?

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:23.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And then like Chelsea has an always on her podcast,

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:24.680
<v Speaker 6>you know you have to come from a place of

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 6>love and tell her this is because you care about her,

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 6>this is because you love her, this is because she's

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 6>a big part of your life, and that you want

0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 6>to see her happy and you want to see her

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 6>evolve over time.

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 5>And what you're.

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 6>Seeing, she doesn't appear to be happy and content and

0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:39.960
<v Speaker 6>be able to deal with some of these issues.

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.800
<v Speaker 5>And so if you're coming from that place, that's really valuable.

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's in a highly irritable state that's not

0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:49.640
<v Speaker 2>pleasant for her, so she really has to take a

0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 2>look at that.

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 3>I've been there.

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.440
<v Speaker 2>I understand that you're not a happy person. When you're

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:56.439
<v Speaker 2>that highly irritated and everyone annoys you so much, there's

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 2>something going on with you. It's a deeper issue and

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have to be that Like people who are

0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:04.560
<v Speaker 2>depressed or upset, they don't realize there's another way to live,

0:53:04.800 --> 0:53:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Like you can actually choose to do the work and

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:10.720
<v Speaker 2>get to the other side and be a happier, more positive,

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>optimistic person. But you know it's going to take time

0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 2>and you and you just have to commit to being

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:17.160
<v Speaker 2>there for her during it.

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 10>How do you guys think you would phrase? Because I

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 10>feel like I'm good at the taking care of her

0:53:23.520 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 10>feelings part, but like so my boyfriend would be like,

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:29.279
<v Speaker 10>oh my gosh, like this is so crazy. You're like

0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 10>getting into her dynamic. You need to have like a

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:34.680
<v Speaker 10>life intervention with her and just tell her like no,

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:37.480
<v Speaker 10>like you need to go somewhere and get help, and

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 10>like this is not sustainable. But I don't know how

0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 10>to like word the direct part to be like you

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.799
<v Speaker 10>need to. I mean, maybe it's just that plane you

0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:48.560
<v Speaker 10>need to go get help or I don't know.

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:51.839
<v Speaker 2>I think you would say, listen, I love you more

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 2>than anything, and I really feel like you could benefit

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 2>from talking to someone as your sister. I know you

0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:00.359
<v Speaker 2>better than anyone, and I know that you're not as

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 2>happy as you can be, Like it's possible to be

0:54:03.000 --> 0:54:06.880
<v Speaker 2>happier and through the like counseling. I can listen to

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you all you want, but I'm not like a professional,

0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Like you need someone who can help you deal with

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:13.319
<v Speaker 2>all of these feelings.

0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 3>That you have.

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.680
<v Speaker 2>And then you can use some examples of like what

0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 2>you've seen about her that it isn't happy, that it

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 2>is irritability, that it isn't you know that she is

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:24.799
<v Speaker 2>in a constant kind of state of agitation.

0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:27.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, And I think it's important to say that you're

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:29.879
<v Speaker 6>always there for her. You're listening for her, but your

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:32.840
<v Speaker 6>skills only go so far. Like you can't solve her problems.

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 6>You can be there for support and love and all that,

0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.200
<v Speaker 6>but like it's not what she needs. She needs much

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:41.080
<v Speaker 6>more than that. She needs someone independent to to really

0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 6>help her work through these things. And so you're not

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 6>taking away your support, you're not pulling away your lover support,

0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:49.800
<v Speaker 6>but you're just saying like I've I've got my own limits,

0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 6>like I can only do so much for you.

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the defensiveness is just the example of why

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 2>she needs to go to therapy. When you are that

0:54:57.640 --> 0:55:00.680
<v Speaker 2>defensive about anything, Like when you can I can't hear

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:04.479
<v Speaker 2>any critique about yourself and think, oh, maybe that's something

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I could improve on, that's the definition of needing to

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 2>go to therapy.

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in addition to all of this putting the onus

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:14.319
<v Speaker 1>like not you need to go to therapy because you're

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:16.360
<v Speaker 1>a bitch, but it is like the onus can be

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.880
<v Speaker 1>slightly outside of her, like it'll help you reduce this

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:21.840
<v Speaker 1>tension so that you can be happy. It'll help reduce

0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:24.200
<v Speaker 1>your stress so you're not flying off the handle all

0:55:24.239 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the time. So you can kind of put the onus

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 1>next door, and so it's not like you're just terrible

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to be around. It's like, no, you have these other stressors,

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you have these other things, like it can help you

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:34.440
<v Speaker 1>dissipate that stuff.

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:37.080
<v Speaker 10>So, yeah, that is a really good way to look

0:55:37.120 --> 0:55:41.240
<v Speaker 10>at it, because, yeah, her life would only grow because

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 10>the connection other people, Like I'm so used to her

0:55:45.320 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 10>attitude and like what she's sensitive about so I can

0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:52.399
<v Speaker 10>kind of not step on those landlines, or I can

0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:55.040
<v Speaker 10>like very intuitively kind of feel her energy and know

0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:56.160
<v Speaker 10>like how much is too much?

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:57.000
<v Speaker 5>You want to back off?

0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 10>But I think it does really get in the way

0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.440
<v Speaker 10>of her and also being a bigger part of my

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:04.240
<v Speaker 10>life because other people in my life.

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 9>Are having such a hard time with it.

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:09.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh, really impacting your friendships and.

0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:12.319
<v Speaker 10>Like it doesn't impact their relationship with me, but like

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:15.680
<v Speaker 10>my partner, for example, he has a really hard time

0:56:15.719 --> 0:56:16.279
<v Speaker 10>being in the.

0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:18.120
<v Speaker 9>Same space as both of us because he's like.

0:56:18.560 --> 0:56:20.719
<v Speaker 10>You don't want to like say anything, but he wants

0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:22.560
<v Speaker 10>to like call her out every single time there's like

0:56:22.600 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 10>something set under her.

0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:24.840
<v Speaker 9>Breath or like an eye roller.

0:56:25.040 --> 0:56:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, don't bring him into the conversation. Yeah, don't mention him,

0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.839
<v Speaker 2>don't say anything about that, because that will only create

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:33.319
<v Speaker 2>more tension between the two of them.

0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.719
<v Speaker 10>I agree, Yeah, but framing it is something yeah a

0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:37.359
<v Speaker 10>little next year.

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, her circumstance is everything she's dealing with. It's like,

0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:42.359
<v Speaker 2>it's not your fault. This is a lot to deal

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.319
<v Speaker 2>with whatever on her plate. We can help you with this,

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:47.160
<v Speaker 2>and I think you do need help with this. Kind

0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:49.680
<v Speaker 2>of just like spoon feeding that idea to her a

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit more. But have confidence in your relationship with

0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 2>your sister, Like, you're not going to break up with

0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.719
<v Speaker 2>your sister, So have confidence that you you have the

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.280
<v Speaker 2>ability to help her and that even if she's upset

0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:03.839
<v Speaker 2>in the beginning, she's coming back, you know what I mean.

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:08.480
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think that is the hard thing to trust. Yeah,

0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:12.000
<v Speaker 10>if you're avoidant conflicts like it just stresses me out.

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 9>But you're right, there is.

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 10>Not a world in which we're going to be separated

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 10>for a long period of time, so really leaning into

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 10>that feels.

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, and being avoidant doesn't solve anyone's problems. Ever, no

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>one has ever solved a problem by avoiding it, so

0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's not a good strategy.

0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:31.440
<v Speaker 9>Right. Well, thank you guys so much.

0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. You're welcome, cutie. Good luck with everything. I'm

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 2>sure everything will work out fine. It might be a

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:38.040
<v Speaker 2>little bumpy, but it will work out.

0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:39.960
<v Speaker 9>Thank you guys. Have a good one.

0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Bye bye.

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.280
<v Speaker 2>You have to look at that as a long term plan, right,

0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:45.720
<v Speaker 2>not a short term solution.

0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:48.280
<v Speaker 1>She's got to be able to be around her sister's

0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 1>partner in that.

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 3>It's so tension.

0:57:49.800 --> 0:57:51.920
<v Speaker 2>But it's so it's so unfair when you're with someone

0:57:52.040 --> 0:57:53.800
<v Speaker 2>and then they don't get along with your sister, Like,

0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:55.320
<v Speaker 2>that's so unfair for everyone.

0:57:55.520 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean, she's a good sister.

0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 6>She's being loyal and she's doing the right thing. But

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:01.600
<v Speaker 6>you can't let people go on like that in life

0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:04.080
<v Speaker 6>because it's just you're not doing them any favors.

0:58:04.120 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 5>Everybody's walking on eggshells. That's awful.

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, bitches, Well, thanks for all of your advice today.

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Our episode has wrapped up.

0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Shoshana. I am physically nauseous from all the movement.

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:19.800
<v Speaker 2>From watching me out walk through your house fifteen times

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>with a computer in the head.

0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:23.760
<v Speaker 4>I am on the move to try to stay connected.

0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 4>I apologize.

0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, we might want to get you a booster

0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 2>for your house, so we'll.

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Get on that right away. Love you girls, miss you, see.

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 5>You, love you.

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:42.240
<v Speaker 3>Bye bye, peace out, bye bye. Okay.

0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:45.200
<v Speaker 2>So upcoming shows that I have you guys, I'm coming

0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:48.480
<v Speaker 2>to Niagara Falls on July twenty seventh. I'm coming to Hollywood,

0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Florida for my only show in Florida on July twenty eighth.

0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I'll be in Auburn, Washington, on August first, and then

0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Santa Rosa, California for my second show August second. August

0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:01.280
<v Speaker 2>seventeenth is the Santa Barbara Bull. You do not want

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:05.600
<v Speaker 2>to miss that. And then I will be all over Maine, Charlotte,

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:08.680
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, Charleston, South Carolina.

0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm coming to Texas. I'm coming to Saint Louis in Kansas.

0:59:11.280 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 2>City, and then I will be in Las Vegas performing

0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 2>at the Chelsea Theater inside the Cosmopolitan Hotel. My first

0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:21.360
<v Speaker 2>three dates in Vegas are September first, Labor Day weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>and then November two and November thirtieth. I'm coming to Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 2>New York, at the King's Theater on November eighth, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have tickets on sale throughout the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>year in December, so if you're in a city like

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<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia or Bethlehem or San Diego or New Orleans or Omaha,

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<v Speaker 2>check Chelsea handler dot com for tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, if you'd like advice from Chelsea, shoot us an

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<v Speaker 1>edited and engineered by Brad Dickert Executive producer Catherine Law,

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