Speaker 1: Do you think it's time to sing Baby Bluka together?
Speaker 1: I do have one gripe I want to tell Rafie.
Speaker 1: I just spent a week with my grandchildren in Victoria.
Speaker 1: They're two twins three and a half, and I showed
Speaker 1: them a video of Raffie singing Baby Bluga and my God.
Speaker 1: They played that so many times it became what do
Speaker 1: they call it? An earworm? And that's you know. I
Speaker 1: love this song, but too much is too much? So
Speaker 1: the complaint is the song is too good and unforgettable. Okay.
Speaker 1: This is David Suzuki and his daughter Severn Cullis Suzuki.
Speaker 1: There a father daughter power duo. CBC viewers voted David
Speaker 1: as one of greatest Canadians of all time, Wayne Gretzky,
Speaker 1: Alexander Graham Bell and David Suzuki impressive company. He's been
Speaker 1: a scientist and broadcaster for over fifty years and an
Speaker 1: outspoken advocate for climate action since the nineteen nineties, and
Speaker 1: Severn is an environmentalist in her own rank. When she
Speaker 1: was twelve, she spoke at a conference of global leaders,
Speaker 1: calling out adults for destroying the planet and challenging them
Speaker 1: to do better. Thirty years later, A video of the
Speaker 1: speech has more than thirty two million views on YouTube.
Speaker 1: She's like the original Greta Tuneberg. David and Severn are
Speaker 1: Canadian activist royalty. They also happened to be Raphi's former neighbors.
Speaker 1: Back in the eighties, Raffie was already beginning to think
Speaker 1: about his legacy. Could he give his audience something more
Speaker 1: than just sweet, gentle songs. Then a radio program on
Speaker 1: the CBC would shake Raffi to his core. It was
Speaker 1: called It's a Matter of Survival and it was hosted
Speaker 1: by David Suzuki. I'm David Suzuki. We have just over
Speaker 1: ten years until the end of the century. Those ten
Speaker 1: years will determine if and how we will exist on
Speaker 1: this planet. You will make that decision. It's a matter
Speaker 1: of survival. Both David and Severn would inspire the next
Speaker 1: phase of Ralphie's career. They taught him what respectful love
Speaker 1: between a parent and a child truly looked like, where
Speaker 1: respect means telling them the truth about our world. The
Speaker 1: thing is, the truth is messy. It can be overwhelming
Speaker 1: for adults. So how do we talk to our children
Speaker 1: about the world without scaring the crap out of them,
Speaker 1: and how do we keep hope alive for ourselves and
Speaker 1: our kids when the urge to give up is so strong.
Speaker 1: I'm Chris Garcia and this is Finding Raffie, a ten
Speaker 1: part series from My Heart Radio and Fatherly in partnership
Speaker 1: with Rococo Punch about the life, philosophy, and the work
Speaker 1: of Raffie, the man behind the music. We did our
Speaker 1: first program for television on global warming. I realized that
Speaker 1: global warming we called it then, was a real threat.
Speaker 1: I called it in my script a slow motion catastrophe.
Speaker 1: I knew that we had to get going on it immediately,
Speaker 1: so I interviewed a hundred and forty experts and scientists
Speaker 1: around the world and put together five part radio series
Speaker 1: on CBC called it a matter of s bival. To economists,
Speaker 1: growth is the main reason governments, industries, and societies exist.
Speaker 1: If our economy fails to grow, we call it a
Speaker 1: recession or a setback. A society that says enough, we've
Speaker 1: got enough, We've got more than enough, let's just stay
Speaker 1: at this level is simply inconceivable. Yet global warming says
Speaker 1: if we continue to grow, we may die. When Ralphie
Speaker 1: heard this, he got chills. He says it affected every
Speaker 1: cell of his being, and he became frightened for the
Speaker 1: future of his niece, his nephew, his young fans, and
Speaker 1: the world they would inherit. He felt compelled to act.
Speaker 1: Turns out he wasn't the only one moved by it
Speaker 1: in Canada. I have to say that the radio is
Speaker 1: still a very powerful medium of communication. That was especially
Speaker 1: so back in the eighties, and it got over sixteen
Speaker 1: thousand letters, and the outpouring of the letters said, look,
Speaker 1: I heard your show. You scared the hell out of me.
Speaker 1: I agree with what you're saying, but what can I do?
Speaker 1: It's a matter of survival. Marked a shift in David's
Speaker 1: career from scientists to climate activist. David didn't have all
Speaker 1: the answers his listeners were asking for, but he wanted
Speaker 1: to find some. He also wanted to learn more about
Speaker 1: the root of the problem, so in he and his
Speaker 1: wife Tara Cullis, who Severns mother, started the David Suzuki Foundation,
Speaker 1: and its first couple of years, David and Tara were
Speaker 1: basically funding the whole operation themselves. Then Raphie stepped into help.
Speaker 1: He was two blocks away from us, and he called
Speaker 1: actually and said David tar could I could I see
Speaker 1: you for a minute or two? And we were so involved. Gee,
Speaker 1: Raffie love to see it, but we're just going flat
Speaker 1: out right now. Could we put it off for well?
Speaker 1: He called again, could I come and see you again?
Speaker 1: We were too busy, and finally he said, look, I'll
Speaker 1: drop by your house and just drop off in an envelope.
Speaker 1: And it was an envelope with a check for fifty
Speaker 1: dollars and that was really for a struggling organization. It
Speaker 1: was a huge aid to get us started at that
Speaker 1: early age. So Raffie was there and uh, I can
Speaker 1: never thank Raffie enough for that help. So do you
Speaker 1: pick up the phone quickly or answer the door quicker
Speaker 1: when he calls now? Because he said just substantial Yes, No,
Speaker 1: he's turned out to be a friend. That's amazing and
Speaker 1: several Do you remember the quesion that it's a matter
Speaker 1: of survival had on you as as a kid. Well,
Speaker 1: I was a young child at the time, and I
Speaker 1: was really impacted by the activism that my parents were
Speaker 1: involved with with indigenous peoples at the time. So our
Speaker 1: family actually were able to travel down to southern Para
Speaker 1: in Brazil and to a kaya Pol village and spent
Speaker 1: some time there, and for myself, I was about eight
Speaker 1: or nine years old, it was just this life changing
Speaker 1: experience to be in a place where the people lived
Speaker 1: in the rainforest and still lived with the rhythms of
Speaker 1: the natural world. It just absolutely blew my mind. And
Speaker 1: when we left the village of oak Ri, which was
Speaker 1: this Kayapol village, I could see out of our tiny
Speaker 1: little plane that the forest was on fire, and that
Speaker 1: had such a huge impact on me. It was about
Speaker 1: so it was all kind of you happening at the
Speaker 1: same time. And uh, I was a child, but I've
Speaker 1: been very lucky to always have been raised with a
Speaker 1: feeling that I have a voice and I have to
Speaker 1: use it. So let me let me take it from here.
Speaker 1: Seve just giving you parents the point of view. She
Speaker 1: was an activist from very early on, but after the
Speaker 1: Amazon experience she started this group of of young girls
Speaker 1: called echo the Environmental Children's Organization. So she came into
Speaker 1: me in in uh nineteen said Dad, Dad, I hear
Speaker 1: there's going to be this big meeting in Brazil. Are
Speaker 1: you going? I said no, no, she's She said, well,
Speaker 1: I think Echoed should go down there, I said, save,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a huge meeting. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a circus. I think you used the term gone show.
Speaker 1: It'll be a gone show. So I was I was
Speaker 1: very very discouraging of her. You know, I admit that
Speaker 1: was a stupid thing on my part, but I was thinking, gosh,
Speaker 1: what are these children gonna do down in this place?
Speaker 1: After the break seven David and the big meeting in
Speaker 1: Brazil Summit was held in Rio de jan Arrow. It
Speaker 1: was created by the u N so countries could work
Speaker 1: together on issues like reducing pollution and finding alternatives to
Speaker 1: fossil fuels. Young Severn and her friends were determined to go.
Speaker 1: And we heard about this meeting and thought, wow, you
Speaker 1: know there's going to be all of these old men
Speaker 1: sitting around talking about our future. Somebody should be there
Speaker 1: to represent what's truly at stake. So they started fundraising. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I got a hand it to your said,
Speaker 1: she went out and hustled. I think it was four
Speaker 1: dollars And Raffie was a big supporter of us. Raffie
Speaker 1: was a major donor to that. Yeah, that's incredible because
Speaker 1: he speaks about the summit in Rio. It was a
Speaker 1: huge deal for him, and he says it was a
Speaker 1: turning point in his career. Do you remember him being
Speaker 1: there and feeling a support at the conference? He was, absolutely.
Speaker 1: He was with us every day. I mean he was
Speaker 1: part of the gang. We were the crew. I have
Speaker 1: some awesome photos of him with us all and he
Speaker 1: was he was one of us. Being associated with him,
Speaker 1: I always think helped him as well. I mean he
Speaker 1: saw things in a really profound way through that experience
Speaker 1: with the young kids. Even though David thought the conference
Speaker 1: was just a quote unquote gong show. Key and Tara
Speaker 1: went to and any time they attended a meeting or
Speaker 1: a speech in Rio, they brought along Severn and her friends,
Speaker 1: always encouraging them to share their thoughts and beliefs. The
Speaker 1: head of UNICEF heard Severn speak, he was impressed. The
Speaker 1: next thing they knew, Severn had an invitation to speak
Speaker 1: to the entire conference. This was it, the moment Severn
Speaker 1: and her friends had waited for. But would these high
Speaker 1: powered global leaders really listen to or care about the
Speaker 1: words of a twelve year old girl. So then, of
Speaker 1: course it was this frantic Oh we gotta uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you've got this chance. What are you gonna say? And
Speaker 1: I remember saying to Seth, Now, Seth, this is what
Speaker 1: you've got to say. And you turned to me and said, Dad,
Speaker 1: I know what I want to say. I knew exactly
Speaker 1: what I was doing and why I was there at school,
Speaker 1: even in kindergarten. You teach us how to be had
Speaker 1: in the world. You teach us to not to fight
Speaker 1: with others, to work things out, to respect others, to
Speaker 1: clean up our mess, not to hurt other creatures, to share,
Speaker 1: not be greedy. Then why do you go out and
Speaker 1: do the things you tell us not to do? What
Speaker 1: an incredibly powerful statement. Seven you were twelve years old.
Speaker 1: What is it like to hear that? Now? I can
Speaker 1: remember exactly what that was like delivering that speech. And
Speaker 1: even though I've I've heard it many times since in
Speaker 1: the last twenty nine years, it's been a really long time.
Speaker 1: I I'm still very connected to the emotion that I
Speaker 1: had during that time. And yeah, it's just it all
Speaker 1: floods back. You've grown up, say you love us, but
Speaker 1: I challenge you, please make your actions reflect your words.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Seven got a standing ovation. And I remember
Speaker 1: at the end of the talk, of course, I was
Speaker 1: scared stiff, you know, like when Sev got up to
Speaker 1: give it and I was blown away by the way
Speaker 1: she did it. But when she sat down again, the
Speaker 1: first person to run up and shake her hands was
Speaker 1: Al Gore, and Al said, that is the best speech
Speaker 1: at anyone's given it this meeting. Didn't he say that
Speaker 1: to you? So he did? And uh and then he
Speaker 1: shook my hand and sat down, and then you whispered, Hey,
Speaker 1: do you know who that is? And I was like,
Speaker 1: uh no, he's like he's Al Gore, he's a senator.
Speaker 1: He's really good. I can't imagine sitting there and watching
Speaker 1: my child, my young child, get up there and getting
Speaker 1: a standing ovation like that. That must have been you.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine the pride you had in that moment. David.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my chest about exploded. That was that was
Speaker 1: pretty exciting. And So, David, what drew you to environmentalism? Like,
Speaker 1: more specifically, I'm curious to know what compelled you to
Speaker 1: make a shift from scientists to a vocal advocate for
Speaker 1: the health of the planet. Well, you know, I I
Speaker 1: never saw myself as an environmentalist. That it's all my life.
Speaker 1: My great joy has been out camping and fishing. I'm
Speaker 1: an avid fisherman. You know, I'm a third generation Canadian.
Speaker 1: In when Japan attack Pearl Harbor, the Japanese Canadians were
Speaker 1: considered enemy aliens and all of our possessions were confiscated
Speaker 1: and we were shipped to camps for three years after
Speaker 1: the war. And where we were shipped was even the
Speaker 1: heart of the Rocky Mountains. That's really where my bonding,
Speaker 1: I guess, with the natural world. It's just who I
Speaker 1: am was based on those experiences in nature. In David's
Speaker 1: fifty plus year career as a broadcaster, he's interviewed hundreds
Speaker 1: of people around the globe, including leading experts on the
Speaker 1: climate crisis, and in those fifty years, he says, one
Speaker 1: of the most important lessons he's learned is what's at
Speaker 1: the core of ecological destruction, the disconnection between humans and nature.
Speaker 1: He remembers interviewing a leader of the indigenous height Of
Speaker 1: tribe about clear cut logging and I said, look, when
Speaker 1: the trees are all cut down, you'll still be here.
Speaker 1: Why are you opposing the logging? And his answer was, well,
Speaker 1: of course, when the trees are gone, we'll still be here.
Speaker 1: But then, well, I guess we'll be like everybody else.
Speaker 1: Now that may seem like what what the heck as
Speaker 1: he's saying, but as I reflected on that, it was
Speaker 1: such a profound inside into a different way of seeing
Speaker 1: our relationship with the world. What he was saying in
Speaker 1: that simple statement, when the trees are gone, will just
Speaker 1: be like everybody else, was that the Hida don't see
Speaker 1: themselves as ending at their skin or their fingertips. That
Speaker 1: to be hida means to be connected with the land.
Speaker 1: That the air, the water, the soil, that the trees,
Speaker 1: the birds and the fish. All of that is what
Speaker 1: makes the Hida who they are. And when you destroy
Speaker 1: a part of that, you basically you you diminish the Hida.
Speaker 1: They've lost a critical part of who they are. And
Speaker 1: for me, that was the beginning of my education of
Speaker 1: genuine environmentalism was to see the world through indigenous eyes,
Speaker 1: which is what is desperately uh Severn. From what I understand,
Speaker 1: you also have a deep connection to the indigenous communities
Speaker 1: of Canada. Um, can you tell me about that and
Speaker 1: how it's changed the way you see the world For me,
Speaker 1: I Um, I moved to hidea guay. I'm married to
Speaker 1: hide a person and have had you know, have have
Speaker 1: my heide of family, have two wonderful little boys. And
Speaker 1: it's been an absolute privilege for me to be an
Speaker 1: immigrant to high to Guay, to live on hide of land,
Speaker 1: in a hide of family, in a hidea way. And
Speaker 1: following the lead of my husband who was working very
Speaker 1: hard to learn his language and to um, you know,
Speaker 1: to really fully realize his his heritage and his identity
Speaker 1: as a as a hide of person, I started learning
Speaker 1: Hida as well and discover this incredible magic and the
Speaker 1: magic as a perspective a worldview. Whenever you speak a
Speaker 1: different language, and perhaps Chris, you know you might, um
Speaker 1: you speak your heritage language. Um you know that you suddenly,
Speaker 1: you know, have a bit of transformation. You become a
Speaker 1: bit of a different person, and um you can see
Speaker 1: the world you love, see the world in a different way.
Speaker 1: And there's a beautiful indigenous academic, scholar, teacher, writer, Robin
Speaker 1: while Kimmerer who talks about the import of language and
Speaker 1: how it really shapes how we treat nature and how
Speaker 1: we treat each other. If we didn't refer to nature, um,
Speaker 1: you know, animals, plants, natural things as it this kind
Speaker 1: of lifeless, kind of um, you know, sanitized, objectified things,
Speaker 1: we would have a very different relationship with the world
Speaker 1: around us. So through language we really frame the value
Speaker 1: is of our society. And right now, as we're heading
Speaker 1: into further into this bottleneck for human survival, we need
Speaker 1: to call upon all the creativity that's accessible to humanity,
Speaker 1: all the diverse ways of being in this world in
Speaker 1: order to navigate and make it through. And indigenous peoples
Speaker 1: and world views and languages are going to be key
Speaker 1: to that. A bottleneck of human survival that sounds terrifying.
Speaker 1: How can I get over my existential dread and tell
Speaker 1: my daughter about the fight for her future? More in
Speaker 1: a minute. I really want to talk to you both
Speaker 1: about climate activism today because to me, I see a
Speaker 1: direct connection between Severn talking at the Earth's Summit and
Speaker 1: Rio and Greta tunberg A resting the un seven years
Speaker 1: later in what is it like for you both to
Speaker 1: see kids leading the fight for climate action today? It's
Speaker 1: very moving to me to see today's generation of young
Speaker 1: people speak up, take to the streets, take the environmental
Speaker 1: movement to the next level. It's also quite sad um
Speaker 1: for me that you know, these kids have to deal
Speaker 1: with it at the same time. You know, it was
Speaker 1: always so, We always have depended on our young people
Speaker 1: to be the warriors of society. And if you look
Speaker 1: at revolutions around the world, they're always led by younger people,
Speaker 1: the people who have the clear eyes for what's truly
Speaker 1: at stake, and that the imagination and the hope and
Speaker 1: the beauty in believing that things can be different. So
Speaker 1: I think that this is a continuation of movements throughout
Speaker 1: our human history. And I'm so proud of Greta. I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of the thousands of other Greta's out there
Speaker 1: who have been working for change. The first time that
Speaker 1: I met Greta, the first thing I said to her was,
Speaker 1: I am so sorry that you are having to do this,
Speaker 1: you know, at her age. I feel that young people
Speaker 1: should be out of exploring the world. You know, they're
Speaker 1: edging out of the nest and they're making you relationships,
Speaker 1: finding out things that they really like to do, the
Speaker 1: things that matter, and that's what young people should be doing.
Speaker 1: Mom and Dad should be the equal warriors on their behalf.
Speaker 1: But of course what Greta has done and what Sev
Speaker 1: did when she was young. She didn't see the world
Speaker 1: in all of its complexity, and so that the simple
Speaker 1: truths came out of their their their mouths. And the
Speaker 1: power of the words of young people is it. It's
Speaker 1: unalloyed by all of these other priorities that come and
Speaker 1: impinge on It's simply a straightforward fact. And Greta's message
Speaker 1: was so powerful that we learned science. And I listened
Speaker 1: to scientists and they say, if we go on this way,
Speaker 1: I have no future. Well, oh my god, what what
Speaker 1: a powerful message. And as Sev says, thousands and thousands
Speaker 1: of Greta's have sprung up all over the world. And gosh,
Speaker 1: if we adults can't rally to that, if we don't
Speaker 1: love our children and hear that message, then what kind
Speaker 1: of a species are we? Okay? So I am a
Speaker 1: dad now myself, and I know that at some point
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to talk about all of this
Speaker 1: with my daughter Sonny, Like, how, David, how do I
Speaker 1: talk to her about this? How did you talk about
Speaker 1: climate change with your kids? I remember when her younger
Speaker 1: sister was up and coming and seven had gone on
Speaker 1: to high school, and and Serrica had more or less
Speaker 1: taken over echo and I said, hey, Serie, this is
Speaker 1: a great project. You and your gang should do this.
Speaker 1: And she said why should I? I hear what you
Speaker 1: and mom are saying. It's too late, and I was
Speaker 1: just blown away. I mean, here's this child listening to
Speaker 1: us seven. It prompted her to be motivated to go
Speaker 1: out and do something. Serrica heard all this and is thinking, well,
Speaker 1: it's too late. Um. The big problem we face now,
Speaker 1: and I'm hearing from many many parents of teenagers, is
Speaker 1: that they're they're very severe uh psychological problems, are having
Speaker 1: to send their kids for for help. And this is
Speaker 1: the hard part is if we face the absolute truth
Speaker 1: of what the scientists are saying, it's a pretty grim
Speaker 1: It's a grim world. And I think we have to
Speaker 1: focus on what we're doing at the local level. It
Speaker 1: will be the sum total of what we are all trying.
Speaker 1: What about you, Severn, how do you talk to your
Speaker 1: kids about climate change? Two things when talking to my
Speaker 1: kids about our ecological crisis. One is as a superhero
Speaker 1: narrative or a narrative of um, you know, this dramatic
Speaker 1: story that is unfolding, which is, you know, feels very
Speaker 1: much like it's a battle between light and dark. It's
Speaker 1: a battle for life, it's a battle for all that
Speaker 1: we hold dear. And in that, you know, there is
Speaker 1: a real need for all of us to use our voices.
Speaker 1: We all have a voice, you know, my mom saying, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you, you know, talk to your friends and
Speaker 1: see what they could do. You know, maybe together you
Speaker 1: can do something. You know, and you know, we started
Speaker 1: with the beach clean up. You know that seemed very
Speaker 1: um small at the time with what we were learning about.
Speaker 1: But then when you clean up an entire beach with
Speaker 1: your friends, the feeling that you have is that you
Speaker 1: can take on the world. It is so vital that
Speaker 1: we do not model despair because we don't know the future.
Speaker 1: We don't know the Greta's that are going to appear
Speaker 1: to us in the future and who might transform the
Speaker 1: playing field for the environmental movement. We have to keep
Speaker 1: that open. And I think right now everybody wants to know,
Speaker 1: how do you still stay optimistic or what keeps you
Speaker 1: from despair? Or are you hopeful? Or is it too late?
Speaker 1: Of course it's not too late, and now we have
Speaker 1: to roll up our sleeves and get into the fight,
Speaker 1: and especially as parents, as grandparents, we have to join
Speaker 1: with our kids and help help them feel empowered because
Speaker 1: that is what is going to carry us through. If
Speaker 1: we give up now, well then we're absolutely giving up
Speaker 1: on our kids. So we have to model that and
Speaker 1: we have to we have to show them small things
Speaker 1: to big things that we can all do. So I've
Speaker 1: got one more question for each of you, and I'll
Speaker 1: start with you Severn. What have you learned from your dad?
Speaker 1: What have I learned from this guy? I've learned so much,
Speaker 1: so much from this man who my whole life long
Speaker 1: has always been a warrior for positive change in this world,
Speaker 1: and I continue to learn from him. I'm now in
Speaker 1: the position of executive director of the David Suzuki Foundation,
Speaker 1: so clearly I believe in his vision and mission. And
Speaker 1: it's also you know, it's not just the David Suzuki Foundation,
Speaker 1: it's also the Tara Cullis Foundation, David's partner in everything,
Speaker 1: um mom, and the two of them started this this
Speaker 1: incredible organization. You know, back in when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: when I was also you know, hey, I started my
Speaker 1: own tiny organization, me and my buddies. Um. So I've
Speaker 1: watched how they've always tried. They just never give up.
Speaker 1: And even today, you know, I mean, Dad's always coming
Speaker 1: up with new ideas for you know, hey we can
Speaker 1: try this, well what about this? And now, as an
Speaker 1: executive director of this organization that is adjacent to him
Speaker 1: and his work, he's not on the board, he's not
Speaker 1: legally associated, but he is still our our symbol or
Speaker 1: our inspiration. He is constantly trying and to me, that
Speaker 1: is just so inspiring and powerful. And you know, we
Speaker 1: can never give up. And that's truly what I've learned
Speaker 1: from David, and I'm grateful for that um that spirit
Speaker 1: every day. But Sev, you have to also say you've
Speaker 1: learned from my weaknesses and fallacies or well that way
Speaker 1: we don't have time to talk about. So you know,
Speaker 1: take the compliments well again. And David, what have you
Speaker 1: learned from your daughter's saturing? Well, it's uh, it's just
Speaker 1: she is part of my commitment into the future. When
Speaker 1: she called to say, hey, Dad, I'm pregnant, my immediate
Speaker 1: reaction was, gosh, you know, you've been in this game
Speaker 1: a long time. You know how how serious the issues
Speaker 1: are bringing a child. And I know that a lot
Speaker 1: of young people today are facing this crisis of whether
Speaker 1: to go on and have a child in a world
Speaker 1: that is worsening every day, and her response blew me away.
Speaker 1: She said, this is my movement to the planet. I
Speaker 1: am committed to the future, and I'm going to do
Speaker 1: everything I can. My child is my commitment to this
Speaker 1: planet and the future. I feel any parent or grandparent
Speaker 1: of young children, you're committed to that future, and you've
Speaker 1: got no choice but to do everything you can for
Speaker 1: your child or grandchild's future. Here's something my dad used
Speaker 1: to say, which means always move forward, don't step back,
Speaker 1: even to gain momentum. So we pushed forward in the
Speaker 1: face of despair. This is coming from a man who
Speaker 1: knew something about despair. He was abandoned by his father
Speaker 1: at a young age, was a political prisoner who suffered
Speaker 1: from PTSD, and yet he was a great man, husband
Speaker 1: and dad. We talk a lot about the anxiety and
Speaker 1: distress of generational trauma, but seldom do we talk about
Speaker 1: generational grit and greatness, the spirit of survival, the despair
Speaker 1: we overcome to continue our family lines, our planet, in
Speaker 1: our species. It's these traits that I am hoping to
Speaker 1: pass on to Sunny, just like my parents passed on
Speaker 1: to me, and that David passed on to his children.
Speaker 1: My conversation with David and Severn had me thinking a
Speaker 1: lot about this, how hope starts at home and as
Speaker 1: we navigate through the trauma of a global pandemic, the
Speaker 1: climate crisis, and Chris Pratt as Mario, we need to
Speaker 1: do as my dad said, we need to keep pushing forward.
Speaker 1: After all, it's a matter of survival. Next time on
Speaker 1: finding Raffie and the reason I tried it was I
Speaker 1: felt so passionate about this planet that needed all of us.
Speaker 1: At the same time, I felt it wasn't a five
Speaker 1: year olds job to help the Amazon stay intact. You
Speaker 1: know it's it's not a three year old job, right.
Speaker 1: If we can show people around the world why nature
Speaker 1: is valuable to their lives, then they're going to protect
Speaker 1: it in their own enlightened self interest, which is the
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