1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Do you think it's time to sing Baby Bluka together? 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: I do have one gripe I want to tell Rafie. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: I just spent a week with my grandchildren in Victoria. 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: They're two twins three and a half, and I showed 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: them a video of Raffie singing Baby Bluga and my God. 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: They played that so many times it became what do 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: they call it? An earworm? And that's you know. I 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: love this song, but too much is too much? So 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: the complaint is the song is too good and unforgettable. Okay. 10 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: This is David Suzuki and his daughter Severn Cullis Suzuki. 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: There a father daughter power duo. CBC viewers voted David 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: as one of greatest Canadians of all time, Wayne Gretzky, 13 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Alexander Graham Bell and David Suzuki impressive company. He's been 14 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: a scientist and broadcaster for over fifty years and an 15 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: outspoken advocate for climate action since the nineteen nineties, and 16 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: Severn is an environmentalist in her own rank. When she 17 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: was twelve, she spoke at a conference of global leaders, 18 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: calling out adults for destroying the planet and challenging them 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: to do better. Thirty years later, A video of the 20 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: speech has more than thirty two million views on YouTube. 21 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: She's like the original Greta Tuneberg. David and Severn are 22 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Canadian activist royalty. They also happened to be Raphi's former neighbors. 23 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Back in the eighties, Raffie was already beginning to think 24 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: about his legacy. Could he give his audience something more 25 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: than just sweet, gentle songs. Then a radio program on 26 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: the CBC would shake Raffi to his core. It was 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: called It's a Matter of Survival and it was hosted 28 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: by David Suzuki. I'm David Suzuki. We have just over 29 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: ten years until the end of the century. Those ten 30 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: years will determine if and how we will exist on 31 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: this planet. You will make that decision. It's a matter 32 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: of survival. Both David and Severn would inspire the next 33 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: phase of Ralphie's career. They taught him what respectful love 34 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: between a parent and a child truly looked like, where 35 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: respect means telling them the truth about our world. The 36 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: thing is, the truth is messy. It can be overwhelming 37 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: for adults. So how do we talk to our children 38 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: about the world without scaring the crap out of them, 39 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: and how do we keep hope alive for ourselves and 40 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: our kids when the urge to give up is so strong. 41 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm Chris Garcia and this is Finding Raffie, a ten 42 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: part series from My Heart Radio and Fatherly in partnership 43 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: with Rococo Punch about the life, philosophy, and the work 44 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: of Raffie, the man behind the music. We did our 45 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: first program for television on global warming. I realized that 46 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: global warming we called it then, was a real threat. 47 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: I called it in my script a slow motion catastrophe. 48 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: I knew that we had to get going on it immediately, 49 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: so I interviewed a hundred and forty experts and scientists 50 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: around the world and put together five part radio series 51 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: on CBC called it a matter of s bival. To economists, 52 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: growth is the main reason governments, industries, and societies exist. 53 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: If our economy fails to grow, we call it a 54 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: recession or a setback. A society that says enough, we've 55 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: got enough, We've got more than enough, let's just stay 56 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: at this level is simply inconceivable. Yet global warming says 57 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: if we continue to grow, we may die. When Ralphie 58 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: heard this, he got chills. He says it affected every 59 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: cell of his being, and he became frightened for the 60 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: future of his niece, his nephew, his young fans, and 61 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: the world they would inherit. He felt compelled to act. 62 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: Turns out he wasn't the only one moved by it 63 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: in Canada. I have to say that the radio is 64 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: still a very powerful medium of communication. That was especially 65 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: so back in the eighties, and it got over sixteen 66 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: thousand letters, and the outpouring of the letters said, look, 67 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: I heard your show. You scared the hell out of me. 68 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: I agree with what you're saying, but what can I do? 69 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: It's a matter of survival. Marked a shift in David's 70 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: career from scientists to climate activist. David didn't have all 71 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: the answers his listeners were asking for, but he wanted 72 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: to find some. He also wanted to learn more about 73 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: the root of the problem, so in he and his 74 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: wife Tara Cullis, who Severns mother, started the David Suzuki Foundation, 75 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: and its first couple of years, David and Tara were 76 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: basically funding the whole operation themselves. Then Raphie stepped into help. 77 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: He was two blocks away from us, and he called 78 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: actually and said David tar could I could I see 79 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: you for a minute or two? And we were so involved. Gee, 80 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: Raffie love to see it, but we're just going flat 81 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: out right now. Could we put it off for well? 82 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: He called again, could I come and see you again? 83 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: We were too busy, and finally he said, look, I'll 84 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: drop by your house and just drop off in an envelope. 85 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: And it was an envelope with a check for fifty 86 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: dollars and that was really for a struggling organization. It 87 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: was a huge aid to get us started at that 88 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: early age. So Raffie was there and uh, I can 89 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: never thank Raffie enough for that help. So do you 90 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: pick up the phone quickly or answer the door quicker 91 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: when he calls now? Because he said just substantial Yes, No, 92 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: he's turned out to be a friend. That's amazing and 93 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: several Do you remember the quesion that it's a matter 94 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: of survival had on you as as a kid. Well, 95 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: I was a young child at the time, and I 96 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: was really impacted by the activism that my parents were 97 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: involved with with indigenous peoples at the time. So our 98 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: family actually were able to travel down to southern Para 99 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: in Brazil and to a kaya Pol village and spent 100 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: some time there, and for myself, I was about eight 101 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: or nine years old, it was just this life changing 102 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: experience to be in a place where the people lived 103 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: in the rainforest and still lived with the rhythms of 104 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: the natural world. It just absolutely blew my mind. And 105 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: when we left the village of oak Ri, which was 106 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: this Kayapol village, I could see out of our tiny 107 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: little plane that the forest was on fire, and that 108 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: had such a huge impact on me. It was about 109 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: so it was all kind of you happening at the 110 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: same time. And uh, I was a child, but I've 111 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: been very lucky to always have been raised with a 112 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: feeling that I have a voice and I have to 113 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: use it. So let me let me take it from here. 114 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: Seve just giving you parents the point of view. She 115 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: was an activist from very early on, but after the 116 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Amazon experience she started this group of of young girls 117 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: called echo the Environmental Children's Organization. So she came into 118 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: me in in uh nineteen said Dad, Dad, I hear 119 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: there's going to be this big meeting in Brazil. Are 120 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: you going? I said no, no, she's She said, well, 121 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: I think Echoed should go down there, I said, save, 122 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: it's going to be a huge meeting. It's going to 123 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: be a circus. I think you used the term gone show. 124 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: It'll be a gone show. So I was I was 125 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: very very discouraging of her. You know, I admit that 126 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: was a stupid thing on my part, but I was thinking, gosh, 127 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: what are these children gonna do down in this place? 128 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: After the break seven David and the big meeting in 129 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: Brazil Summit was held in Rio de jan Arrow. It 130 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: was created by the u N so countries could work 131 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: together on issues like reducing pollution and finding alternatives to 132 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: fossil fuels. Young Severn and her friends were determined to go. 133 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: And we heard about this meeting and thought, wow, you 134 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: know there's going to be all of these old men 135 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: sitting around talking about our future. Somebody should be there 136 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: to represent what's truly at stake. So they started fundraising. Well, 137 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, I got a hand it to your said, 138 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: she went out and hustled. I think it was four 139 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: dollars And Raffie was a big supporter of us. Raffie 140 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: was a major donor to that. Yeah, that's incredible because 141 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: he speaks about the summit in Rio. It was a 142 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: huge deal for him, and he says it was a 143 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: turning point in his career. Do you remember him being 144 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: there and feeling a support at the conference? He was, absolutely. 145 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: He was with us every day. I mean he was 146 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: part of the gang. We were the crew. I have 147 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: some awesome photos of him with us all and he 148 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: was he was one of us. Being associated with him, 149 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: I always think helped him as well. I mean he 150 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: saw things in a really profound way through that experience 151 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: with the young kids. Even though David thought the conference 152 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: was just a quote unquote gong show. Key and Tara 153 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: went to and any time they attended a meeting or 154 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: a speech in Rio, they brought along Severn and her friends, 155 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: always encouraging them to share their thoughts and beliefs. The 156 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: head of UNICEF heard Severn speak, he was impressed. The 157 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: next thing they knew, Severn had an invitation to speak 158 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: to the entire conference. This was it, the moment Severn 159 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: and her friends had waited for. But would these high 160 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: powered global leaders really listen to or care about the 161 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: words of a twelve year old girl. So then, of 162 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: course it was this frantic Oh we gotta uh, you know, 163 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: you've got this chance. What are you gonna say? And 164 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: I remember saying to Seth, Now, Seth, this is what 165 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: you've got to say. And you turned to me and said, Dad, 166 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: I know what I want to say. I knew exactly 167 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: what I was doing and why I was there at school, 168 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: even in kindergarten. You teach us how to be had 169 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: in the world. You teach us to not to fight 170 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: with others, to work things out, to respect others, to 171 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: clean up our mess, not to hurt other creatures, to share, 172 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: not be greedy. Then why do you go out and 173 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: do the things you tell us not to do? What 174 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: an incredibly powerful statement. Seven you were twelve years old. 175 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: What is it like to hear that? Now? I can 176 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: remember exactly what that was like delivering that speech. And 177 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: even though I've I've heard it many times since in 178 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: the last twenty nine years, it's been a really long time. 179 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: I I'm still very connected to the emotion that I 180 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: had during that time. And yeah, it's just it all 181 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: floods back. You've grown up, say you love us, but 182 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: I challenge you, please make your actions reflect your words. 183 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: Thank you. Seven got a standing ovation. And I remember 184 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: at the end of the talk, of course, I was 185 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: scared stiff, you know, like when Sev got up to 186 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: give it and I was blown away by the way 187 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,839 Speaker 1: she did it. But when she sat down again, the 188 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: first person to run up and shake her hands was 189 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: Al Gore, and Al said, that is the best speech 190 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: at anyone's given it this meeting. Didn't he say that 191 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: to you? So he did? And uh and then he 192 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: shook my hand and sat down, and then you whispered, Hey, 193 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: do you know who that is? And I was like, 194 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: uh no, he's like he's Al Gore, he's a senator. 195 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: He's really good. I can't imagine sitting there and watching 196 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: my child, my young child, get up there and getting 197 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: a standing ovation like that. That must have been you. 198 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the pride you had in that moment. David. 199 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my chest about exploded. That was that was 200 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: pretty exciting. And So, David, what drew you to environmentalism? Like, 201 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: more specifically, I'm curious to know what compelled you to 202 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: make a shift from scientists to a vocal advocate for 203 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: the health of the planet. Well, you know, I I 204 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: never saw myself as an environmentalist. That it's all my life. 205 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: My great joy has been out camping and fishing. I'm 206 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: an avid fisherman. You know, I'm a third generation Canadian. 207 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: In when Japan attack Pearl Harbor, the Japanese Canadians were 208 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: considered enemy aliens and all of our possessions were confiscated 209 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: and we were shipped to camps for three years after 210 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: the war. And where we were shipped was even the 211 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: heart of the Rocky Mountains. That's really where my bonding, 212 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: I guess, with the natural world. It's just who I 213 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: am was based on those experiences in nature. In David's 214 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: fifty plus year career as a broadcaster, he's interviewed hundreds 215 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: of people around the globe, including leading experts on the 216 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: climate crisis, and in those fifty years, he says, one 217 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: of the most important lessons he's learned is what's at 218 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: the core of ecological destruction, the disconnection between humans and nature. 219 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: He remembers interviewing a leader of the indigenous height Of 220 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: tribe about clear cut logging and I said, look, when 221 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: the trees are all cut down, you'll still be here. 222 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: Why are you opposing the logging? And his answer was, well, 223 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: of course, when the trees are gone, we'll still be here. 224 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: But then, well, I guess we'll be like everybody else. 225 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: Now that may seem like what what the heck as 226 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: he's saying, but as I reflected on that, it was 227 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: such a profound inside into a different way of seeing 228 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: our relationship with the world. What he was saying in 229 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: that simple statement, when the trees are gone, will just 230 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: be like everybody else, was that the Hida don't see 231 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: themselves as ending at their skin or their fingertips. That 232 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: to be hida means to be connected with the land. 233 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: That the air, the water, the soil, that the trees, 234 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: the birds and the fish. All of that is what 235 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: makes the Hida who they are. And when you destroy 236 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: a part of that, you basically you you diminish the Hida. 237 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: They've lost a critical part of who they are. And 238 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: for me, that was the beginning of my education of 239 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: genuine environmentalism was to see the world through indigenous eyes, 240 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: which is what is desperately uh Severn. From what I understand, 241 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: you also have a deep connection to the indigenous communities 242 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: of Canada. Um, can you tell me about that and 243 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: how it's changed the way you see the world For me, 244 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: I Um, I moved to hidea guay. I'm married to 245 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: hide a person and have had you know, have have 246 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: my heide of family, have two wonderful little boys. And 247 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: it's been an absolute privilege for me to be an 248 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: immigrant to high to Guay, to live on hide of land, 249 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: in a hide of family, in a hidea way. And 250 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: following the lead of my husband who was working very 251 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: hard to learn his language and to um, you know, 252 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: to really fully realize his his heritage and his identity 253 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: as a as a hide of person, I started learning 254 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: Hida as well and discover this incredible magic and the 255 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: magic as a perspective a worldview. Whenever you speak a 256 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: different language, and perhaps Chris, you know you might, um 257 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: you speak your heritage language. Um you know that you suddenly, 258 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, have a bit of transformation. You become a 259 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: bit of a different person, and um you can see 260 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: the world you love, see the world in a different way. 261 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: And there's a beautiful indigenous academic, scholar, teacher, writer, Robin 262 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: while Kimmerer who talks about the import of language and 263 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: how it really shapes how we treat nature and how 264 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: we treat each other. If we didn't refer to nature, um, 265 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, animals, plants, natural things as it this kind 266 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: of lifeless, kind of um, you know, sanitized, objectified things, 267 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: we would have a very different relationship with the world 268 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: around us. So through language we really frame the value 269 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: is of our society. And right now, as we're heading 270 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: into further into this bottleneck for human survival, we need 271 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: to call upon all the creativity that's accessible to humanity, 272 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: all the diverse ways of being in this world in 273 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: order to navigate and make it through. And indigenous peoples 274 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: and world views and languages are going to be key 275 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: to that. A bottleneck of human survival that sounds terrifying. 276 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: How can I get over my existential dread and tell 277 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: my daughter about the fight for her future? More in 278 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: a minute. I really want to talk to you both 279 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: about climate activism today because to me, I see a 280 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: direct connection between Severn talking at the Earth's Summit and 281 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: Rio and Greta tunberg A resting the un seven years 282 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: later in what is it like for you both to 283 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: see kids leading the fight for climate action today? It's 284 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: very moving to me to see today's generation of young 285 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: people speak up, take to the streets, take the environmental 286 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: movement to the next level. It's also quite sad um 287 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: for me that you know, these kids have to deal 288 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: with it at the same time. You know, it was 289 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: always so, We always have depended on our young people 290 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: to be the warriors of society. And if you look 291 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: at revolutions around the world, they're always led by younger people, 292 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: the people who have the clear eyes for what's truly 293 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: at stake, and that the imagination and the hope and 294 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: the beauty in believing that things can be different. So 295 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: I think that this is a continuation of movements throughout 296 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: our human history. And I'm so proud of Greta. I'm 297 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: so proud of the thousands of other Greta's out there 298 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: who have been working for change. The first time that 299 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: I met Greta, the first thing I said to her was, 300 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: I am so sorry that you are having to do this, 301 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, at her age. I feel that young people 302 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: should be out of exploring the world. You know, they're 303 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: edging out of the nest and they're making you relationships, 304 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: finding out things that they really like to do, the 305 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: things that matter, and that's what young people should be doing. 306 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: Mom and Dad should be the equal warriors on their behalf. 307 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: But of course what Greta has done and what Sev 308 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: did when she was young. She didn't see the world 309 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: in all of its complexity, and so that the simple 310 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: truths came out of their their their mouths. And the 311 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: power of the words of young people is it. It's 312 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: unalloyed by all of these other priorities that come and 313 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: impinge on It's simply a straightforward fact. And Greta's message 314 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: was so powerful that we learned science. And I listened 315 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: to scientists and they say, if we go on this way, 316 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: I have no future. Well, oh my god, what what 317 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: a powerful message. And as Sev says, thousands and thousands 318 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: of Greta's have sprung up all over the world. And gosh, 319 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: if we adults can't rally to that, if we don't 320 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: love our children and hear that message, then what kind 321 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: of a species are we? Okay? So I am a 322 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: dad now myself, and I know that at some point 323 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to talk about all of this 324 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: with my daughter Sonny, Like, how, David, how do I 325 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: talk to her about this? How did you talk about 326 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: climate change with your kids? I remember when her younger 327 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: sister was up and coming and seven had gone on 328 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: to high school, and and Serrica had more or less 329 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: taken over echo and I said, hey, Serie, this is 330 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: a great project. You and your gang should do this. 331 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: And she said why should I? I hear what you 332 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: and mom are saying. It's too late, and I was 333 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: just blown away. I mean, here's this child listening to 334 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: us seven. It prompted her to be motivated to go 335 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: out and do something. Serrica heard all this and is thinking, well, 336 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: it's too late. Um. The big problem we face now, 337 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: and I'm hearing from many many parents of teenagers, is 338 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: that they're they're very severe uh psychological problems, are having 339 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: to send their kids for for help. And this is 340 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: the hard part is if we face the absolute truth 341 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: of what the scientists are saying, it's a pretty grim 342 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: It's a grim world. And I think we have to 343 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: focus on what we're doing at the local level. It 344 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: will be the sum total of what we are all trying. 345 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: What about you, Severn, how do you talk to your 346 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: kids about climate change? Two things when talking to my 347 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: kids about our ecological crisis. One is as a superhero 348 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: narrative or a narrative of um, you know, this dramatic 349 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: story that is unfolding, which is, you know, feels very 350 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: much like it's a battle between light and dark. It's 351 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,239 Speaker 1: a battle for life, it's a battle for all that 352 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: we hold dear. And in that, you know, there is 353 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: a real need for all of us to use our voices. 354 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: We all have a voice, you know, my mom saying, hey, 355 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: why don't you, you know, talk to your friends and 356 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: see what they could do. You know, maybe together you 357 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: can do something. You know, and you know, we started 358 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: with the beach clean up. You know that seemed very 359 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: um small at the time with what we were learning about. 360 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: But then when you clean up an entire beach with 361 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: your friends, the feeling that you have is that you 362 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: can take on the world. It is so vital that 363 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: we do not model despair because we don't know the future. 364 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: We don't know the Greta's that are going to appear 365 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: to us in the future and who might transform the 366 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: playing field for the environmental movement. We have to keep 367 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: that open. And I think right now everybody wants to know, 368 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,479 Speaker 1: how do you still stay optimistic or what keeps you 369 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: from despair? Or are you hopeful? Or is it too late? 370 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: Of course it's not too late, and now we have 371 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: to roll up our sleeves and get into the fight, 372 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: and especially as parents, as grandparents, we have to join 373 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: with our kids and help help them feel empowered because 374 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: that is what is going to carry us through. If 375 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: we give up now, well then we're absolutely giving up 376 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: on our kids. So we have to model that and 377 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: we have to we have to show them small things 378 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: to big things that we can all do. So I've 379 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: got one more question for each of you, and I'll 380 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: start with you Severn. What have you learned from your dad? 381 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: What have I learned from this guy? I've learned so much, 382 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: so much from this man who my whole life long 383 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: has always been a warrior for positive change in this world, 384 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: and I continue to learn from him. I'm now in 385 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: the position of executive director of the David Suzuki Foundation, 386 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: so clearly I believe in his vision and mission. And 387 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: it's also you know, it's not just the David Suzuki Foundation, 388 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: it's also the Tara Cullis Foundation, David's partner in everything, 389 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: um mom, and the two of them started this this 390 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: incredible organization. You know, back in when I was a kid, 391 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: when I was also you know, hey, I started my 392 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: own tiny organization, me and my buddies. Um. So I've 393 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: watched how they've always tried. They just never give up. 394 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: And even today, you know, I mean, Dad's always coming 395 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: up with new ideas for you know, hey we can 396 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: try this, well what about this? And now, as an 397 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: executive director of this organization that is adjacent to him 398 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: and his work, he's not on the board, he's not 399 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: legally associated, but he is still our our symbol or 400 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: our inspiration. He is constantly trying and to me, that 401 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: is just so inspiring and powerful. And you know, we 402 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: can never give up. And that's truly what I've learned 403 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: from David, and I'm grateful for that um that spirit 404 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: every day. But Sev, you have to also say you've 405 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: learned from my weaknesses and fallacies or well that way 406 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: we don't have time to talk about. So you know, 407 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: take the compliments well again. And David, what have you 408 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: learned from your daughter's saturing? Well, it's uh, it's just 409 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: she is part of my commitment into the future. When 410 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: she called to say, hey, Dad, I'm pregnant, my immediate 411 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: reaction was, gosh, you know, you've been in this game 412 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: a long time. You know how how serious the issues 413 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: are bringing a child. And I know that a lot 414 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: of young people today are facing this crisis of whether 415 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: to go on and have a child in a world 416 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: that is worsening every day, and her response blew me away. 417 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: She said, this is my movement to the planet. I 418 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: am committed to the future, and I'm going to do 419 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: everything I can. My child is my commitment to this 420 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: planet and the future. I feel any parent or grandparent 421 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: of young children, you're committed to that future, and you've 422 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: got no choice but to do everything you can for 423 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: your child or grandchild's future. Here's something my dad used 424 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: to say, which means always move forward, don't step back, 425 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: even to gain momentum. So we pushed forward in the 426 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: face of despair. This is coming from a man who 427 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: knew something about despair. He was abandoned by his father 428 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: at a young age, was a political prisoner who suffered 429 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: from PTSD, and yet he was a great man, husband 430 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: and dad. We talk a lot about the anxiety and 431 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: distress of generational trauma, but seldom do we talk about 432 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: generational grit and greatness, the spirit of survival, the despair 433 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: we overcome to continue our family lines, our planet, in 434 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: our species. It's these traits that I am hoping to 435 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: pass on to Sunny, just like my parents passed on 436 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: to me, and that David passed on to his children. 437 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: My conversation with David and Severn had me thinking a 438 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: lot about this, how hope starts at home and as 439 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: we navigate through the trauma of a global pandemic, the 440 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: climate crisis, and Chris Pratt as Mario, we need to 441 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: do as my dad said, we need to keep pushing forward. 442 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: After all, it's a matter of survival. Next time on 443 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: finding Raffie and the reason I tried it was I 444 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: felt so passionate about this planet that needed all of us. 445 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: At the same time, I felt it wasn't a five 446 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: year olds job to help the Amazon stay intact. You 447 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: know it's it's not a three year old job, right. 448 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: If we can show people around the world why nature 449 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: is valuable to their lives, then they're going to protect 450 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: it in their own enlightened self interest, which is the 451 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: best thing we can do. I don't think love alone 452 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: is enough to actually make anything stick. It's only one step. 453 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: You also have to value it if it's going to 454 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 1: be sticky over the long period of time. Finding Raffie 455 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: is a production of my heart radio and fatherly in 456 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: partnership with Rococo Punch. It's produced by Catherine Fendalosa, Meredith Hannig, 457 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: and James Trout. Production assistance from Charlotte Livingston. Alex French 458 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: is our story consultant. Our senior producer is Andrea swahe 459 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: Emily Foreman is our editor. Fact checking by Andrea Lopez 460 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Crusado Raphis. Music is courtesy of Troubadour Music Special thanks 461 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: to Kim Layton at Troubadour. 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