1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to another edition of Amy and TJ. 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: We are very. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Excited about today's podcast. When our producer has asked us 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: if we would like to interview this particular person, this actor, 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: we both had an immediate and excited yes, of course, 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: but for very different reasons. I was very excited to 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: talk to mister Tim Matheson because I am a huge 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Virgin Ripper fan. I have talked about it plenty of 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: times here on this podcast, and so I was like, Doc, 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: of course, do I want to talk to Vernon? I'm 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: so excited? And TJ said, Wooo, I'm excited. 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: So you mean honor from Adam and my animal Howell's guy, that's. 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: What you're talking about, so too, that's amazing. No, So, 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Tim Matheson, we are so excited to have you here 15 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: on the podcast today because not only are you an 16 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: incredible actor, director, comedian, you're also an author. You have 17 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: a pretty new book that's been released, and you have 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: just seemingly done it all. But we are all excited, 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: for our various reasons to get to hear all about 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: your seven decades in Hollywood, which is just such an 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: impressive thing for anyone to have lasted in any industry, 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: let alone in Hollywood. So thank you for being here 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: with us, Tim, and tell us how you're doing. 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Hi, Amy II, TJ. Thanks thanks for having me. Yeah, 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: I know I'm doing great, and it's actually it is 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: only six and a half decades, but I round that 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: up because it sounds it was a little smoother and funnier. 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: But you know, it's amazing to me that I've been 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 2: doing and what I've been doing that I love so much. 30 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: Since I'm twelve years old and basically I started in 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: Burbank where all the studios were located. I'm still working 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: in Burbank. So I'm like a small town kid made good. 33 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: You know, if you will, what was your golden decade? 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: You said six and a half, But what point in 35 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: your career would you look at and say, this gap 36 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: of time is when I was really nailing it, really 37 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: hit my stride. Maybe it could be right now, how 38 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: are we know? 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: Well, I must say I'm extremely grateful and happy to 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: have matured to the golden age of seventy seven and 41 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: still being active in a top show at Netflix and 42 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: with a wonderful character and a great cast. And we're 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: going into our seventh season starting in about a month 44 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: and on Virgin River. But each each period, and I 45 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: noticed about like every five to seven years, I turned 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: a corner or a page and entered a new phase 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: of my career, either age wise or character wise or 48 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: something changed. And they've all been very rewarding in many ways, 49 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: and uh and and tricky and treacherous and insightful. So uh, 50 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: you know, I think perhaps one of my happiest periods 51 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: was working on The West Wing with Aaron Sorkin and 52 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: then amazing cast on that show. And it was at 53 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: a sort of a slow point in my career where 54 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: I was kind of getting a little older. I wasn't 55 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: playing the younger leading man parts, and you know, I 56 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,839 Speaker 2: have the three kids and my my ex wife then 57 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: you know, my wife and I had I had to work. 58 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: So this wonderful show came along at that point and 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: revitalized my career. And that's the great thing about our 60 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: business is you'll do one thing and out of nowhere, 61 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: it'll just you know, recharge everybody to go, oh oh him, 62 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: oh my, gosh, oh will you let's get him? He's 63 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: oh my? Because that other people turn a page in 64 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: our business too, So you know, it comes and goes. 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, Tim, I'm I was just so inspired listening 66 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: to you. I just turned fifty two, and there are 67 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: so many people listening who feel like once you get 68 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: to a certain age, it's over. Or you can't keep 69 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: still climbing that mountain. You've gotta you gotta recognize that 70 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: it's time to slow down and go down into the valley. 71 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: But obviously those ups and downs happened throughout someone's career. 72 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: But to have been not just a working actor for 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: nearly seven decades, but to be a successful working actor 74 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: for all of those years. And I mean, honestly, I 75 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: feel like you're in your prime now just because the 76 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: show TJ has laughed, But I have connected with so 77 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: many other people are democratic, you know, right like you 78 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: like Virgin River too. You have you have kept me 79 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: well on the treadmill, so you know, it's been so 80 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: cold here in New York and in so many places 81 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: in the country these days, and I go on the 82 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: treadmill to or do my runs and Virgin River. I'm 83 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: done now. I can't wait for season seven. I know 84 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: you guys have just announced to a few of the 85 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: things we can expect, or at least some of the 86 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: cast members who are coming back. But it's just such 87 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: a warm, fuzzy feeling you get when you watch Virgin River. 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Do you sit down and watch it? What do you 89 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: think about the show, because it is kind of a 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: departure from some of the other works you have left 91 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: for us to enjoy. 92 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not one of those who sits and watches 93 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 2: the show. I mean I certainly did watch this. I 94 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: watch every episode once, and when I was directing the 95 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: first two years, I directed four episodes and have since 96 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: backed away from that because it was just it was 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: such a workload that it took away from the acting. 98 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: And they're directing, so now I can just focus on 99 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: the acting. But I will watch each episode once. But 100 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: and I try and keep my distance so I don't get, 101 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: you know, involved with ego and oh my, you know, 102 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: vanity and things like that. I just watch it as 103 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: a director, going, oh, you know, he meaning me, he 104 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: could have done this that way, he could he should 105 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: have done that. Oh he did that nicely. So I 106 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: try and keep myself objective about it. And but I 107 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: I I thoroughly enjoy the show. I think Alexander Breckenridge 108 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: and Martin Henderson who are our central characters and the 109 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 2: Ellen Jack, you know, is their romance that drives the show. 110 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: And is are there wonderful actors and just great to 111 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: work with and and and they're the anchor and the 112 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: heart of our show. So and I so enjoy them 113 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 2: and I enjoy working with them. And yeah, it's it's 114 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: a great it's a great thing for me. And and 115 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: it allows me the luxury of you know, we work 116 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: four to five months on our show and then I 117 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: have like five or six seven months of the rest 118 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: of the year where I can pursue other projects and 119 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: you know, produce and and and do other things like that. 120 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: So and write a book, you know. And so it's 121 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: it's a it's a win win for me. 122 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds awesome. And it's funny you mentioned And 123 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: of course I was explaining some of the show to 124 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: TJ Melan Jack, but I actually describe you as the 125 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: heart of the show. I just said that this morning. 126 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: What do you think of Doc and the character? Is 127 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: he fun to play? Is it hard to play someone? 128 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: I mean, you're. 129 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: Grumpy and you're a little rough around the edges. I'm 130 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: talking about your character, of course, but you're you're kind 131 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,119 Speaker 1: of a good guy. Isn't that a hard character to play? 132 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: Like a good wholesome guy. I've always heard from actors 133 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: that that's the toughest role. 134 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: Well, it is, and I think, you know, the one 135 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: of the things about him is Doc Vernon Mullins is 136 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: he's a man of the people and he wanted to 137 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: come to Virgin River to get away from Seattle where 138 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: he was ahead of a hospital or or the you know, 139 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: the division of the hospital, and to get back together, 140 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: to get back with the patients and be one on 141 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: one with patients, you know, I mean, I think in 142 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: modern medicine, medicine has become this sort of commercial industrial 143 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: thing where you've spend as little time with the patient 144 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: as you can. You have a nurse practitioner who assists 145 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: the doctor. Then you have a PA who assists the 146 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: nurse practitioner. So if you ever see the doctor as 147 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: rare and here's a man who is treating patients who 148 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: are his friends and family because they live in a 149 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: small town, you obviously run into him at dinner and 150 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: a breakfast in the coffee shop and while you're walking 151 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: down the street, and he knows if not everyone each 152 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: most everyone. He treats, so he has a special responsibility 153 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: to them. And I think it requires a certain kind 154 00:08:54,160 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: of honesty and trust that he needs to establish. And 155 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: and and that's rare, you know, I think, And and 156 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 2: I've done a lot of research about doctors and small 157 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: town doctors and doctors in remote areas, and you know, 158 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: and and we've done it once or twice on our 159 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: show where you have to treat animals too. You know, 160 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: a patiental call up to say, my horse is down, 161 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: I need your help. I can't get the vet. What doc, 162 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: can you come out here and you know and deliver 163 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: You'll deliver a foal or you'll you'll have a horse 164 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 2: with a twisted and testine. So one of the things 165 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 2: about you know, my thing is is I I love 166 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: to do research, So I I do as much research 167 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: constantly as I can. 168 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: What kind of reactions are you getting walking down the 169 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: street these days on social media whatever, Because every woman 170 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 3: that is anywhere in my orbit you mentioned Virgin River 171 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: and they just go nuts, Well it's great. 172 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: And that's that's pretty that's pretty actually accurate TJ. But 173 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: I mean, and it's a demographic thing too. And many 174 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: of the men who watch it and say yeah, my 175 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: wife grab me or my girlfriend grabb me, and we 176 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: went and I sat down. I really liked it, and 177 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: because I think it's it's in a world of tumult 178 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: and sort of chaos that we kind of live in now, 179 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 2: with COVID and politics and so many things that are 180 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: up in the air and the Internet and people on 181 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: Twitter and saying and doing crazy things. It's nice to 182 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 2: find a peaceful place to go on TV and and 183 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 2: just be at ease and at peace with yourself and 184 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: the people in the show. I think, you know, somebody 185 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: was we were talking recently about why was it so 186 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: revolutionary when they made The Godfather and and Chinatown, And 187 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: you know, back in the sixties and seventies that the 188 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: young filmmakers were rebelling against a very sort of status 189 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 2: quo and and and a very boring kind of complacency 190 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: that with politics and was life in America. But now 191 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: to rebel is to do something that is not outrageous, 192 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: it is not crazy and violent, and this is a 193 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: show that kind of does that. You know, It's just 194 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: it's people getting along with people, and you have problems, 195 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: and you'd learn how to work out for those problems. 196 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know what I just thought of what 197 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: I would equate Virgin River two. For me, it's comfort food. 198 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's just this warm, amazing meal 199 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: and it can be a little spicy sometimes, but you 200 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: know what you're getting and you know in the end 201 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: you're gonna feel better after you ate it, like chicken 202 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: soup or something. But I just I was doing some 203 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: research on you. I did not realize that you started 204 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: your career on the show I grew up loving and 205 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: watching on reruns. But leave it to Beaver and talk 206 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: about comfort food, talk about that safe, warm, familial space. 207 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I feel like you began there, and now look at 208 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: you on Virgin River. It's almost like bookends of then 209 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: a lot of wild, amazing pieces of art in between 210 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: that were funny and pushing the envelope with West Wing, 211 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: but it's kind of full circle. Would you say, oh, yeah. 212 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: I think it's it is an old fashioned kind of show, 213 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 2: and I think that's a very sort of it's a 214 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: much needed kind of show nowadays. And what I've heard 215 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: is so funny is that all of the other streaming 216 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: channels we want our Virgin River. We want to you know, 217 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: we want to show like Virgin River, and it's like, 218 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: you know, what is that on in relation to that? 219 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's about people, eccentric people who have 220 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: come to this little town to get away from troubles 221 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: in their life, or a conflict in their life, or 222 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 2: you know, a fork in the road in their life 223 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: and have come here to try and recover and or 224 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: to be alone. And if they find a like group 225 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: of people around them that they sort of bond with 226 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: and can help them with their problems, you know. And 227 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 2: I think that's as a doctor, that's sort of why 228 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: he's there, because he's giving more than just like, oh, 229 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 2: you have tons of lightis go see the guy with 230 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: here and he'll take care of it her. You know. 231 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: It's more than that, And I love that aspect of it. 232 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: Well you have again, I was saying, just the reaction 233 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: that women have to the show. I don't know if 234 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: you heard a few minutes ago, there was a ding. 235 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 3: We're actually on my laptop doing this this zoom. That 236 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: ding was a text message that I got from a 237 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: lady by the name of Kelly Bensimone. If you don't know, 238 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: she's of Real Housewives fame. We told her a little 239 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 3: while ago we were interviewing you. She has called twice 240 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: and sent three text messages and that was one of 241 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: them because she's so excited. Ah, she just that reaction. 242 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 3: I mean, do you get some wild stuff just walking 243 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 3: down the street, Oh. 244 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: You know people? Yes, I mean, and and they're always 245 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: very gracious, you know, it'll be just one of those 246 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 2: just somebody will just stick their head up to me 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: and say, you know, I don't want to bother you, 248 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: but I love your show. I just love your show 249 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: and I love what you do and and thank you 250 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: so much. I mean, it's just it's so endearing and 251 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: it's grateful and it's it's it's I feel like a 252 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: you know, a country Western star, you know, I feel 253 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: like and I wish I was, because it's that kind 254 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: of response to something that you do. It's heartfelt and 255 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: it's you know, and I mean, certainly Animal House in 256 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: the West Wing, but Animal House, I get a certain 257 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: kind of reaction, as you know, and it's raucous and 258 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: it's fun, and it's it's it's a whole other kind 259 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: of thing. So I've been fortunate in my career have 260 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: played many different characters and many different genres of film, 261 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: and it's you know, and this one is very special 262 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: in its own way. 263 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: It's so funny because I don't know that I've ever 264 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: watched Animal House, and it's one of TJ's favorite movies. 265 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: He said we should buy it. He never likes to 266 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: rent or buy any movies because he says, we pay 267 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: for way too many streaming services, so why would we 268 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: do that? But he actually does greenlit purchasing Animal House 269 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: because I said, I have to watch it now. But 270 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be a little freaked out 271 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: just because I so know you and love you as Doc. 272 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: It's going to be so strange to see you. It's 273 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: like a party animal and a frat. 274 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: Doc grew up a lot since Animal House, so yeah. 275 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, we all go through phases, and you know, Amy, 276 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: I think that I think you're enjoy Animal House because 277 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: it's sort of an early version of Doc. I mean, 278 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: he's a real nice guy and he has to be 279 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: a ladies man, and that was the trouble that got it, 280 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: you know, that he got into that cost him of 281 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: his marriage to Hope, you know, initially was to be 282 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: you know, he strayed from their their vows and that's 283 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: sort of a little bit of otter. 284 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's you know, that's a good 285 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: way to look at it. I'm curious, just because we've 286 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: laughed just a few of our friends, have you heard 287 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: from celebrities or people who you would be surprised are 288 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: huge Virgin River fans? I'm curious, do you do you 289 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: hear back at all from people who are watching and 290 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: who is watching Virgin River specifically? 291 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: Well, you know Reba McIntyre, who's who's a friend of 292 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: mine and I did a movie with her. She's just 293 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: a wonderful woman. She she loves the show, and and 294 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: many in her circle respond to a lot of people 295 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: who are fond of country music, you know, tend to 296 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 2: gravitate towards the show. I'm trying to think Aaron Sorkin 297 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 2: mentioned it that he he and he enjoyed the show, 298 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: and but you know, and a lot of people in 299 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: the business. Off the top of my head, I'm trying 300 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: to remember, so, yeah, a lot of different people. But 301 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: it's it's it's sort of uniformly women, and it's just 302 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,239 Speaker 2: there's a there's a certain level of and and in 303 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 2: many ways, you know, I like and it's it's like Mayberry, 304 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it. Maybe it's a little bit 305 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: more contemporary, but it's sort of like this small town 306 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: people go along and you know, and and it's kind 307 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: of amusing and it's kind of fun, and yet there's 308 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: a there's drama and like in real life, and but 309 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: people work their way through it. 310 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. I'm so the demo. I like 311 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: country music too. So I'm a woman in my early fifties. Wow, 312 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: I just walked right into being completely basic. 313 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 3: So a black man in his forties isn't necessarily the lame. 314 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: But but Tim, but Tim TJ knew that I was 315 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: obsessed with this, and I was. I was running to 316 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: it on the treadmill. He hates the treadmill, so he 317 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: thought he would run to it. You had one episode 318 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: that you listened to. 319 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: While running, Tim, I've never seen the show, but I've 320 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 3: listened to the show while I was running. And I 321 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 3: had no idea. The guy I liked was Doc because 322 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: you had a couple of lines something. I say this 323 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: all the time, Christ on a cracker, Christ on sale, 324 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: and your character has some line, I said, who's this guy? 325 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 3: I had no idea it was you, because I never 326 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 3: saw it, only listened to it. 327 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: Well, I must compliment both of you because what keeps 328 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 2: you guys so young is that you've run and you're active, 329 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 2: so I must applaud that. And you both look fantastic. 330 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. 331 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: Yes, And you've helped me tremendously running during the very 332 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: very cold months, so we appreciate that. I want to 333 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your book. You initially started out, 334 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: from what I read, you were trying to write a 335 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: book about kind of the making of Animal House, and 336 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: it turned into something much bigger than that. How did 337 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: that all come about? 338 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was going to call it the 339 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: making of Animal House or some quote that my character 340 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: Otter had, and it ended up being called Dan Blad 341 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: to meet you. My seven decades in the Hollywood trenches. 342 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: But what I love the making of books, The making 343 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 2: of Casablanca, the making of the Wizard of Oz. A 344 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 2: woman named al Jean Harmitz wrote this book, The Making 345 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: of the Wizard of Oz, and she went through all 346 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 2: the archives at MGM and pulled all the files from 347 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:39,479 Speaker 2: every department, makeup, air, wardrobe, costumes, camera, all these different 348 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: special effects casting and put together day by Day, how 349 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 2: the film was made, you know, and all the troubles 350 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: they went through and everything, And I wanted to do 351 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: that with Animal House because I felt that it was 352 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: it was a seminal event in comedy in American cinema 353 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 2: because it was a year after Saturday and Night Live started, 354 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: and Saturday Night Live was a revolutionary event in American 355 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: comedy because it was a it was a comedy for 356 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: young people by young people. Before that, it was just 357 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: a bunch of let's just I don't want to be dismissive, 358 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: but it was older Hollywood writers trying to excuse stuff 359 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 2: to younger audiences. But it was Doris Day and Rock 360 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: Hudson and it was like Bob Hopajek at least like 361 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: a movie I did. And they were either they were 362 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: tame kind of comedies because it was written by older people. 363 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: Animal House was a group of young people from the 364 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: National Lampoon who wrote this script. It started out as 365 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: Charlie Manson in high school. That's how crazy they were. Wow, 366 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: And the studio just went no, no, no, no, no 367 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: too soon and not an R rated film. You can't 368 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: do it in high school, you have to do in college. 369 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: So it evolved and one of the forces behind it 370 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: was Ivan Rightman. And Ivan was the producer and wanted 371 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: to direct this movie, but the studio would not led him. 372 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 2: And after John Landis came on and directed and who 373 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 2: was brilliant, the credit went to the director and the 374 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: writers and nobody even thinked Ivan, and Ivan was like, well, 375 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: what about me directing another picture? And they said, well, 376 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 2: if you ever find something you want to do, bring 377 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: it to us. But everybody else got a deal. So 378 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: Ivan and Harold raymis wrote a picture called Meatballs and 379 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: for Billy Murray. Bill Murray and Ivan went off and 380 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: couldn't even come to the premiere of Animal House because 381 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: he was shooting or he's waiting on the set to 382 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: see if Bill Murray was actually going to show up, 383 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 2: which he did and made Billy a star and made 384 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: Ivan a star director. And so everybody's dream came true 385 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: with Animal House, some a little quicker than others. You know. 386 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 2: It put me in a category of younger leading men 387 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: in Hollywood who could do comedy and got me away 388 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: from the kind of boring parts I was playing on TV. 389 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: And so it it was a dream come true. But 390 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: that's where it started, and then I produce. The publisher said, oh, no, 391 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: we want to know about Lucille Ball. And you worked 392 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: with Jackie Gleason, and you worked with Clint Eastwood and 393 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: Kurt Russell. Tell us about those things. So I started 394 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 2: filling in the you know, the stories, and they said, oh, 395 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: this is great, we want this too. And I didn't 396 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: just want to do sort of a lineal kind of 397 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: you know, and then I did this, and then I 398 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 2: did that, And so I was trying to recount what 399 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: I learned from each of these people. You know, especially 400 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: a lot of young people today don't know who Lucille 401 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 2: Ball was, and you know, so I wanted to recount 402 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: how hard she worked and how diligent she was, and 403 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: you know, which she came from vaudeville, and with the 404 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 2: lessons that I learned from her, and how gracious she 405 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 2: wasn't mentoring me and toughening me up. I mean, I 406 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: was a very sensitive, shy, seventeen eighteen year old kid 407 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: on yours mind and hours the movie I did with 408 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: her and Henry Fonda and Lucy loved my sensitivity and 409 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: my vulnerability. But basically she was trying to teach me, 410 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: you know, like there's a tough business kid. You better 411 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: man up and and and you know, you put on 412 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 2: your shoulder pads because because you're going to get hit, 413 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: you're going to get knocked down. How are you going 414 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: to get back up? That's what you got to figure out. 415 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: Did you figure that out at some point? How far 416 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: along how much along the way? Did you take a 417 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: big enough hit that you thought it might knock you 418 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: out of Hollywood? 419 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: That's a great question, TJ. I mean you get hit 420 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: every week, I mean slowly. It's like auditioning just beats 421 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: you to death, you know, and you know you do 422 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: six seven auditions a week. But if you what I 423 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: learned from that, I learned in a little step. So 424 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 2: it was like I wasn't happy with this audition. I 425 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: didn't get it. I blame myself and just say, next time, 426 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 2: I'm going to learn the lines. I'm not going to 427 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: stand there with the pages in my hand, because how 428 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: can you act with pages in your hand. I'm gonna 429 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: give him my best shot, walk out the door, head 430 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 2: held high, and then if I don't get it, I 431 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: don't get it. You know. That's that's the name of 432 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: that tune. But I think you know if I look back, 433 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: there were moments, and there was a moment I turned down. 434 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: The things you turned down are always you know, kind 435 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: of memorable and and somewhat disappointing. But I turned down 436 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: Moonlighting because I was exhausted after doing a television series 437 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: and I wanted two weeks off and I couldn't get 438 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 2: two weeks off and do Moonlighting. I said, listen, I 439 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: just need a break. And you know, I think it 440 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 2: was a big lesson to me is that And and 441 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: Bruce Willis is incredible and you know, yeah, and he's 442 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 2: more blue collar than me, and he's the perfect guy 443 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: for that part. And it all works out for you know, 444 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: in the but it also allowed me, because I didn't 445 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: do that, I was to get into directing. So you know, 446 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: it's and I learned, I think slowly over the years 447 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: that one door closes, another opens, and you know, that's 448 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: sort of the way it goes. But yeah, there have 449 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: been a lot of shows that you know, I didn't 450 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: get and and I think one of the big ones 451 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: was was Indiana Jones. I mean I tested for Indiana 452 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: Jones and rad you do have to look, yeah, and 453 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: everybody into Hollywood tested for it. But and and George 454 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: Lucas invited me into his office the day after I tested. 455 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: He said, you know we're not We're going in a 456 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: different direction. You're just too young. You're too young. You 457 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: did the best test, but you're too young. And I 458 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: was great, you know, great to hear from him. I 459 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: wanted to play that part, but I knew I was 460 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: too young, but I just I gave him my best shot, 461 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: and so I walked away with, Okay, that's it. 462 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 3: Too young in terms of age, look or experience. How 463 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: old were you at the time I was. 464 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: Let me think I was probably thirty one, thirty two, 465 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: but you know, Harrison was thirty five or six, and 466 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: he looked he looked forty. He looks thirty five, you 467 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I looked twenty five. I 468 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: mean I was twenty nine when I did Animal House, 469 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: playing twenty wow. 470 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: So I mean that's why you look the way you 471 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: look now. 472 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: It looks like I did not know you were twenty nine. Whoa, 473 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yeah. So I mean I was 474 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: one of those kids when I I mean, when I 475 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 2: was in high school, I looked like I was twelve, 476 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 2: and you know, I had the prettiest girl in school 477 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: that I kept hitting on and trying to, you know, 478 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 2: chat up and make jokes with was Janelle Penny And 479 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: she said, you know, you're so funny and you're so sweet. 480 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 2: I'd go out with you if you were six feet tall. Oh. 481 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: I love that you still remember her name. Don't you 482 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: always remember the name of the girl you were or 483 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: the you know, the person you were in love with 484 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: but either rejected you or what like. You never forget 485 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: their names? 486 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: Oh hello, Oh yeah, I'll never forget Janelle. 487 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: What's the what's the best advice? You talk about all 488 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: the lessons you learned along the way and you write 489 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: about them. Is there one piece of advice that just 490 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: stuck with you that you would say was the best 491 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: advice you received? 492 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: Well, I mean comically, Jackie Gleason said to me. He said, 493 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: always over tip, always over tip, because first off, they're 494 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: probably an actor. I mean he's thinking of New York 495 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: or LA and they're always an actor and they need 496 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: the help. So give me in there and give them 497 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: a break. And you're lucky and you're working and give 498 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 2: them a break. But he said, second, if you don't overtip, 499 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 2: and they know who you are, they're gonna say you're 500 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 2: a cheap prick, and then you know they're gonna get 501 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: a bad rep. So always overtip. I thought that was funny. 502 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 2: But the other thing I think is listen to your gut. 503 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: Because I got advice from managers, agents, accountants, you know, 504 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: business managers that I kind of went, oh, really, I 505 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: mean they were saying like, don't buy this house, or 506 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: don't do this job, or don't you know like they sold. 507 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: My agents told me don't audition for the West Wing 508 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: and because you two big an actor to have to audition. 509 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: And it was like I just learned after a few 510 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: kind of like bad advice situations from people who should 511 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: know better, that follow your gut. You know, just follow 512 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 2: your gut. It's not going to hurt anything. You know. 513 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: It's there's false pride about oh I'm too big to audition. 514 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: I you know, that's crazy. Just you know, if you 515 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: love doing what you do, do it in an audition. 516 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: Who cares, you know, or just get out there and 517 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: and do you and practice your craft. 518 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: That's another one as well. West Wing. I watched that 519 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: from first episode until that finale and yes, coming out 520 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 3: as VP, that was you know what that was one 521 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 3: of if I go there, there's some kind of mix 522 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: in that character that's in between Animal House and in 523 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: between Doc Mullins. There's just a sharp, clean, just the 524 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: right guy. That was something about damn man, it's six 525 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: sixty plus years how great of a compliment. I'm Animal 526 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: House was a movie I remember as a kid, in 527 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: a movie I loved. Coming up. My daughter is twelve 528 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: years old and she knows who you are because she 529 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: knows Freak House from Jumanji. Yes, but to think that 530 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: that kind of career can take place, that my childhood 531 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: and my child's childhood has been impacted by your work, man, 532 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: all I can say is congratulations on that. 533 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Thanks so and shout out to your 534 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: twelve year old daughter. She's old enough to see Animal House. 535 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: Not too but many people come up to me and say, 536 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: mostly boys, who say my dad showed me Animal House 537 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: when I was nine or ten or twelve, and he said, 538 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: don't tell mom. But it's so many and you know, 539 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: it's it's not that it's an R rated film, but 540 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: I think because of situational certain things, but most of 541 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: them just goes right over the head of a child 542 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: and then get the slapstick comedy, they get the balushi, 543 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: they get you know, they get all that humor. Granted 544 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: that some of it is dated if you look at it. 545 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: I looked at it recently, and you know, it's sexists, certainly, 546 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: and but the Lampoon, the way the Lampoon got away 547 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: with it's sexism and racism. And oh and I'll tell 548 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 2: you a funny story about the racism and animal house. 549 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: The is by They say, you know, we shot in 550 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. It came out in seventy eight, but 551 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: what it was said in nineteen sixty two. So basically 552 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: what the Lampoon would say is, we know this is 553 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: racist and this is sexist, but we're not that way now. 554 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: This was back then. See well that's the way it 555 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: used to be. And then they'd make fun of it. 556 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: But the the you know, we had this band called 557 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: Otis Day and the Knights at the frat party, at 558 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: our toga party. 559 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: Playing you want to shout yes. 560 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 2: You know, and and Boone thought that he was so 561 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: cool and he wanted you know, he thought these guys 562 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 2: loved him because he loved their music. And so we 563 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: go to this nightclub which is an all black nightclub 564 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 2: and all these privileged young white kids walk in and think, 565 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, these guys. You know, he says, oh 566 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: this day they love us. And we walk in and 567 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: we look around and go, we're gonna die. You know, 568 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: this is not we are not we don't belong here. 569 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: And when the studio head saw that that scene in 570 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: the movie, he said, there's going to be rioting. The 571 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: black audience will riot and tear these these movies apart. 572 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 2: The movie shows apart, theaters apart. So we got to 573 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: cut this. And what they did was some of the 574 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: junior executives, Richard Pryor, the great great black comedian, was 575 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: under contracted Universe all at the time, and they can They asked, Richard, 576 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: would you look at this and say if this is offensive? 577 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: Do you find this sequence offensive? And Richard Pryor came 578 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: into the head of the studio and goes, you know, 579 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: white people are crazy. That's a funny scene. Lead that 580 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: in the movie. That's a funny scene. You know, yes, yes, 581 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: it's it's a bit racist, but that's funny, you know, 582 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: because you're making fun of the white people too, so 583 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: it's like it's okay, and its stayed in and it's 584 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 2: a very funny sequence, you know so, but thank you 585 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: Richard pryor God bless them, Tim. 586 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 3: You still see that happening in comedy today, that that 587 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: sequence you talk about. They were so afraid to offend 588 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 3: that they didn't want to be funny, right? Is that 589 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 3: still a balance? We're trying to find how we gotten 590 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: better about it worse about it? Because I know some 591 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 3: comedians have really taken a lot of heat for some 592 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 3: things they've said on stage. 593 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: I think you have to be really aware of what 594 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: is being said and what and be sensitive to how 595 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: you know, is it a stereot typical, ethnic, or sexist 596 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: or racist comment about a culture, or is it something 597 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: that is that everyone will enjoy. There's I just found Iglesias. 598 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: I think it's a Roberto Iglesias, Gambiel Iglesias. Do you 599 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 2: know a guy named Fluffy Kingmedian Canadian. I was just 600 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: God rest his soul. My my my wife's father in 601 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: law just passed and he was He's a Jewish Mexican 602 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: and his brothers were at the at the at the house. 603 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: Uh you know, they sit shiva for seven days and 604 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 2: every day people go over and visit the family and 605 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: and commiserate with them about their loss. And and the 606 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 2: two brothers were from Mexico and there and they were 607 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 2: was and and because I loved Isaac who passed away, 608 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: I was just I love these men because they were 609 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 2: so much like Isaac. And I felt like I was 610 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: with Isaac. And they said, oh, do you know Fluffy? 611 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 2: And I said, Fluffy, I don't know what's fluffy. They 612 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: pulled out their phone and they played a couple They 613 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 2: played Fluffy talking about how do you know different Latinos 614 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 2: from each other? Cubans are this way, you know, he said, 615 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: Puerto Ricans and Mexicans and Dominicans, you know, and you 616 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: can offend each of them differently if you call them 617 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 2: the other thing. You know, if you call them Mexican Cuban, 618 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: it's not gonna you know. So but he's very funny 619 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 2: and he can because he is Latino. He can make 620 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 2: fun of the Latino culture. I don't think I could 621 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 2: do that. I can't speak from his point of view. 622 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: So I think that, you know, I can make fun 623 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: of like white people, you know, I get like, you 624 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 2: know that way. I can read different cultures with Catholic 625 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: and Jewish and whatever I can. I can have fun 626 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: with that, but I think I have to stay in 627 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: my lane. I can't. I wouldn't true into anyone else's 628 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: culture or or because I'd be afraid that I don't 629 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: know enough. 630 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: No, I think that's such a good point. We, you know, 631 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 1: as an interracial couple, have this conversation all the time. 632 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 3: What can I say? 633 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: What can he say? What can I laugh at you? 634 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's it's a it's a constant conversation, 635 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: even between two people who love each other. 636 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 3: And Tim, I have to tell all the time, you 637 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 3: can say that joke at home? Do not say that? 638 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 4: Right? 639 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 2: Nobody's fascinating. 640 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: That's so I'll say him, I'll say, can I laugh 641 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: at that? Like as a white person? Am I allowed 642 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: to laugh at that? Like? I don't even know if 643 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: I can laugh. It's it's one of those uncomfortable things, 644 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: but comedy unites or it can divide. 645 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: You're at the center and the locust of really what's 646 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 2: happening in our country? And in terms of just that 647 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: kind of you know, I don't even call it woke, 648 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's just what can be said, what's funny? 649 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: I mean, you look old movies, and you see them 650 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 2: making fun of different ethnicities. You know. There was a 651 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: guy named Stepan Vetchett that was a black actor star 652 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 2: in minor roles back in the thirties and forties, you know, 653 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: and because he played a cliched version of a subservient 654 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 2: black character. And and that's not okay, you know. And 655 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 2: and there were other ethnicities that were made fun of, 656 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 2: and and and with women too, and certainly gay characters 657 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 2: were always made fun of. And but it's you know, 658 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 2: in an animal house, I think there were a couple 659 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: of there was a couple of lines right at the beginning, 660 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: you know, she's the two guys, you know, Flounder and 661 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 2: Pinto come into the party at the Delta House and 662 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 2: say and they said, where's Otter and and they said, oh, 663 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 2: he's upstairs with Boone and and then she looks at 664 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 2: him and says, oh, a couple of well known homosexuals, 665 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 2: you know. And those jokes just don't work today, you know. 666 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 2: I mean, but so there is some stuff that crosses 667 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 2: a line. And the Lampoon was well known for doing that. 668 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 2: And it was a cliche joke at the time that 669 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 2: guy has said to each other, you know, but we 670 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 2: just can't do that anymore. I think, you know, because 671 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: we've been educated, not because it is certainly as offensive, 672 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: but it's offensive to a whole culture of people that 673 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 2: have been disparaged for for a long long time and 674 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 2: finally have found the pride of their freedom to be 675 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: who they want to be. 676 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: I mean, it's shocking if you go back and look 677 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 1: at even movies in the eighties where that you know, 678 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: and my daughters will watch you go, Mom, you guys 679 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: watched this, and it is amazing how far we've come. 680 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: But comedy has had to I mean, just march on 681 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: a very very fragile line, you know, and sometimes people 682 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: cross it, but. 683 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 2: It's okay to you know, it's great when you see 684 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 2: it because now we can define it and you can say, look, 685 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 2: that's how people used to think about us. That's how 686 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: people used to relate to black or Italian or Latino 687 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 2: or you know or whatever, or homosexual or whatever. And 688 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 2: they are making fun of us. They're not laughing with us, 689 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 2: and they're making fun of us and that's not okay. 690 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 2: And I think from those old, those old movies, we 691 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 2: can see that and realize that, Okay, we've learned we've 692 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 2: grown and you know, things have changed. 693 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: That's I was not expecting to have that conversation, but 694 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: it's been fascinating if you we actually knew though, you 695 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: have that brilliant mind and this book is so incredible, 696 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,959 Speaker 1: so I cannot wait to dive into it. I also 697 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: cannot wait for season seven. I know you guys haven't 698 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: started shooting yet, but do you have Do you get 699 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: to look at the scripts ahead of time? Do you 700 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: know any of the plot lines that are coming up? 701 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: I know it was a cliffhanger at the end, and 702 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: I won't give it away if folks haven't caught up 703 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: yet finished streaming it yet. 704 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 2: You got up to do when you're out running TJ. 705 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: Is there anything you know about or can tease ahead 706 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: for season seven Virgin River? 707 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 2: Well, we've seen I think the first four shows so far, 708 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 2: and what we know is that, you know, my medical 709 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 2: practice has been challenged by the the hospital, uh and 710 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: in a neighboring town, and my my things that I 711 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: did to save a man's life are being questioned. So 712 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 2: there's a conflict in my life. And there's you know, 713 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: Charmaine I think is missing and. 714 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: Miss We don't know if the babies are in the nursery. 715 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 2: Yes, we don't, you know. And and uh, I think 716 00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: that Mel and Jack are hoping to adopt a baby, 717 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and so I think those things are 718 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 2: going to continue. 719 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: On all right, very so it's going to pick up 720 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: right where you left off. 721 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you will tell me the four fans of the show, 722 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 3: what is the question? You're a fan, you want to 723 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: know what? Like, what is the thing that's burning everybody 724 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 3: to know starting this up? 725 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: Well, this coming season, everyone wants to know what happened 726 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: to Charmaine, what happened to her babies? And our Jack 727 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: and Mel at risk as well, because there's some evil 728 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: guy out there. 729 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 3: Who tim you know, the answer to any of those questions, no, 730 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 3: if you did was even admitted. 731 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: We only get to we get I've seen four scripts 732 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 2: and that's the first basically two blocks that we shoot. 733 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: But we get it piecemealed to us. You know, I 734 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 2: know sort of the journey is going to be about 735 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 2: this and about that, and my character is gonna go. 736 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 2: But I don't know the end result. I don't know 737 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 2: where it's going to end. 738 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: Or dude, his medical licensees, medical practices all hanging in 739 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: the balance, which is the heart. We don't know where 740 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: Charminge is, but she had The father of her babies 741 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: is not a good guy, and he was upset that 742 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: he didn't have access to his kids and was threatening 743 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: everybody and missing. She didn't show up for Mel and 744 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: Jack's wedding where she was supposed to do Mell's hair. 745 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 2: Watch the show. I know she. 746 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 3: Did off or she didn't, We don't know. 747 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: She just didn't show up to Mel's place to do 748 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: her hair for her wedding. How long she was missing 749 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: right now at the end of it was like about 750 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. 751 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 2: Oh okay, she's not answering her phone. She's not. 752 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: No, one knows, no but no. But there's like a 753 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: guy after her who, yes, who has threatened her? 754 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 2: Uh? Where do you? 755 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: Where do you actually shoot this? And Virgin River? That's 756 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: not a real place, is it. I need to do 757 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: my research, but I just. 758 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 2: Know it's a place in our hearts, in our minds. 759 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,279 Speaker 2: It's u We shoot it in Vancouver, British Columbia. It's 760 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,160 Speaker 2: proposed to be in northern California, in Humboldt County or 761 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 2: near Humboldt County. Yes, but it's and I think some 762 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 2: of it's shot there in terms of like drone shots 763 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 2: of that area we use. But yeah, we're we're we're 764 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 2: in Vancouver, British Columbia, which is extremely beautiful and it's 765 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 2: it's a sort of an extension of northern California. That's 766 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 2: where we place it. 767 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: Well it's the fifty first state now, right, So I 768 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: mean it should be easy. 769 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 3: We were saying we were trying to get out of 770 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 3: here without anti politics, so we should go now. 771 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the Canadians were going to go 772 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 2: for that. 773 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 4: Tim Matheson, it is such a pleasure. We so appreciate 774 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 4: your time today on the podcast. You are just someone 775 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 4: who is incredibly inspiring from your career just to I 776 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 4: don't know, I cannot wait to watch Animal House. I 777 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 4: can't wait to revisit and and learn about the earlier 778 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,440 Speaker 4: Tim Matheson. 779 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: But I. 780 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,080 Speaker 1: Love doc and I love the show, and I'm so 781 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: excited that there's another season coming our way. So Tim, 782 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. 783 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 2: Thank you, Amy TJ. Thank you very much. I love 784 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 2: speaking with you and I learned a whole bunch talking 785 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 2: to you, and thank you for sharing all that. 786 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 3: Regrets on everything. 787 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 2: Brother, Thank you