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Speaker 1: All right, this is Darwin James and you listen to

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Speaker 1: the Chargers Podcast Network. All right, guys, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: draft edition of Chargers Weekly. We told you we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a draft Daniels on every single week leading up

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Speaker 1: to the draft. We're just over a week away. Mike

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Speaker 1: read or Pro Football Focus joins me, and Mike was

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Speaker 1: here almost a year ago and he predicted, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the tape. He predicted Jerry Tillery and

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Speaker 1: Nazier Adelie to the Chargers bike. Very proud moment for you.

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Speaker 1: I imagine it made too much sense that it was proud,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, they didn't really have the rookie years

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Speaker 1: I had hoped. But they're actually kind of an, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say, an easy team to target for,

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Speaker 1: but like you can, they're very schematically sort of unique,

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Speaker 1: and so you can really project players to that defense

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Speaker 1: very kind of easily in terms of who fits there. Well,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned because Jerry missed most of the offseason program,

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Speaker 1: couple with Jerry Tillery next to Lindvall, Joseph and those

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Speaker 1: bookends in Bosta and Ingram, and then that that stack

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Speaker 1: charger secondary. A lot of potential for those two guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited, Like if they add one more piece to

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Speaker 1: Then the quarterback, that's all they need. Then after that

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Speaker 1: you've been grinding with this Pro Football Focus draft guy

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Speaker 1: tell us about that it's it's available for those that

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Speaker 1: want it. Yeah, so it's over twelve hundred pages. I

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Speaker 1: player profiles, and it's got like grade stats and stuff

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Speaker 1: that you don't get anywhere else, like cover stats for

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Speaker 1: the stuff we get giveaway for the pros or have

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Speaker 1: for the pros. You can see for all these prospects,

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Speaker 1: and also we have team pages that give you kind

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Speaker 1: has pretty much anything you could want about these draft prospects.

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Speaker 1: It's always a great draft guide, So snatch that up

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Speaker 1: before draft. They get it this week by give me

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the twenty twenty NFL Draft. Just kind

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Speaker 1: of a thirty thousand foot view. A lot of positions

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Speaker 1: absolutely loaded. What do you see. So the receiving position

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Speaker 1: You'll probably find a handful on Day two. It goes about,

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Speaker 1: And I think the second best position is pretty easily

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Speaker 1: Pro football folks. Tell everybody what you're gonna be doing

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