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Speaker 2: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: By Ross Jass, Hey boom, Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: Ghosted by Me Rose Dress Fales.

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Speaker 3: You guys. I gotta say I am so proud of

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Speaker 3: this show and special shout out to Lander producer Jessica

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Speaker 3: Engineer and everyone here at Starburns Audio because last week

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Speaker 3: with Jasmine Masters, huh hilarious and that episode so completely

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Speaker 3: different than even this week's episode, which is great because

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Speaker 3: we finally have got an expert on the field. I

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Speaker 3: mean this to somebody that has spent years and years.

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Speaker 3: She's had three paranormal TV shows that she's been a

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Speaker 3: part of, and she's been all the places. Honey. She knows.

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Speaker 3: She has seen some stuff, she's heard some stuff. She's

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Speaker 3: been on camera talking about stuff for years, so I'm

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Speaker 3: very happy to have her. She has a TV show

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Speaker 3: right now that is on the Travel Channel, and it's

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Speaker 3: truly one of my favorite new TV shows. It's her

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Speaker 3: and Jack Osborne and they go to some of the darkest,

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Speaker 3: creepiest places on Earth and the show is called Portals

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Speaker 3: to Hell. It's every Friday on Travel Channel, so go

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Speaker 3: check it out. Because if you don't know her yet,

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's huge in the paranormal world, but if

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Speaker 3: you haven't gotten the honor and pleasure of getting to

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Speaker 3: see her in action, she's incredible and just so happy

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Speaker 3: that she's in town. She happened to be here for

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Speaker 3: an event. Her and Jack are presenting at the Critics

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Speaker 3: Choice Awards, so they happened to be in LA and

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Speaker 3: all works out, and I'm just so happy to meet her,

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Speaker 3: and I hope the two of us become best friends

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Speaker 3: because she's just great. So check it out here. She

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Speaker 3: is Katrina Wideman. Ladies and gentlemen, I am joined by

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Speaker 3: our first ever expert, our, first person that truly knows

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Speaker 3: which is talking about. She's been out in the field.

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Speaker 3: She's also got her own TV show right now. Katrina Widman.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: Hi Katrina.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Okay, I'm so excited because you are the star

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Speaker 3: of my new favorite TV show, Portals the Hell Yeah, which,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, it's it is so spooky. We'll get

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: You don't live here, right, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I live on the East Coast, so Philadelphia cool.

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Speaker 3: I want to know what the life is like of

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Speaker 3: somebody that spends time in portals to hell for a living.

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you just do you live a normal.

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Speaker 2: I mean I guess it depends on who you ask, really,

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Speaker 2: Like if you ask somebody one of my colleagues in

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Speaker 2: you know, No, I have like a lot of weird

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Speaker 3: So you just welcome them in your house? Yeah, fine

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Speaker 2: I do more so because I love the history, ye so,

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Speaker 2: And there's some paranormal investigators that very much rely on

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Speaker 2: different religions and cultures to bring into their work. For me,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's an investigator. That's you know, that's

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Speaker 3: I'm always just like that was a ghost. Yeah, no

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what's fascinating. It really is one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it looked like me. So this little ghost

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Speaker 3: That's so okay. I just heard a story somebody that

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Speaker 3: She had a family member come back. Well it's a

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Speaker 3: I definitely I've heard about that where like the owner

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we don't really know why certain people have

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Speaker 2: wonder does not have an element to do with it? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm one of those people that are.

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Speaker 2: Like, you don't have them, or you don't No, I do.

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's that's one of the thoughts we

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Speaker 2: then we think it has something to do with that.

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Speaker 2: And it's adults who tell us, no, don't do that. No,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't exist, especially when it comes to anything like

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Speaker 2: So we're condition to ignore any of those experiences. And

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Speaker 3: Wow, Oh that's a cool one to think. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: that's yeah, I'm going to go to hell for that one. Yeah. God,

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Speaker 3: it's so important to teach children to have open minds.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm. Whatever.

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Speaker 3: It's a whole other conversation. So what was the second

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Speaker 2: Second hunted house we moved into and I was about six,

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Speaker 2: You'd rush out of rooms a little quicker, throw on

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Speaker 2: So what's interesting about that house is it seems like

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Speaker 2: Like my mom the one story my little brother. He's

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Speaker 2: this is like, you know, midnight when I am, so

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you know, of course people think a lot

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Speaker 3: Does that even do anything for you? Is that spookier

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Speaker 2: suffocation in one of those closets. And the first night

434
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: we were investigating it was crazy because I mean it's

435
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 2: just again, it's like this closet that's maybe maybe twenty

436
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: thirty feet long, you know, but very skinny, and there's

437
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: doors on either side. And when we were investigating in

438
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: that area, we heard all these footsteps around us, like running,

439
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: like you know, like play It sounded like playful. We

440
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: didn't hear giggles, but we did hear these footsteps just

441
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 2: running around us, and we like, we would go to

442
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: the left and then they'd be from the right. We'd

443
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: go to the right and then they go to the left,

444
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: and it just almost kind of felt.

445
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: Like a game. Yeah, they were totally playing with the oaths.

446
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: Totally right. And so I had a leap up there

447
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: by myself, and I was actually very freaked out to

448
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: sleep up there. I had to call my fiance and

449
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I need a pep talk, just

450
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: like remind me of all the things I've told you

451
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: over the years. And He's like okay, and so he

452
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: like kind of pumped me up, and but it was

453
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: really it took a lot for me to get to

454
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 2: bed there.

455
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, gosh, yeah, okay, Wait, So when did you

456
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: start paranormal investigating?

457
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: So really, I mean since I was a kid, you know,

458
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: I would I mean, you know this from growing up

459
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: on a haunted house. You just you have a lot

460
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: of questions and the answers you're getting don't really make

461
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: a lot of sense, you know. So I would research

462
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: the crap out of everything I could think of, you know.

463
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: I'd get my hands on all those books through like

464
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Scholastic books.

465
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, book Fair.

466
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know I read everything I could read

467
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: about the Warrens and hands Holzer and all those people.

468
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: And when I got older, I really don't know what

469
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 2: I was doing. I would just like kind of like

470
00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: look for ghosts.

471
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 3: Did you do the Ouiji board?

472
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: Oh totally yeah. I had at least one girl go

473
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: home from every sleepover crying, yeah, because they were like

474
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: so freaked out. But you know, it was really when

475
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: I got into college, when I transferred to Penn State.

476
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: They had my aunt, who has a lot of experiences too.

477
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: She was like, you know, you should see if they

478
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: have a club, because at that time, ghost unters was

479
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: already out the whole you know, genre was really popular.

480
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: So she's like, maybe they've started something that you can join,

481
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: and lo and behold, they did, and I signed up

482
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: and they had a training course that you could go

483
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: through and it was really just about like, you know,

484
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: the history of the paranormal and how to interview people

485
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: and you know different you know theories and spiritual texts

486
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: and all that stuff like that. And so I signed

487
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: up for that and then they got a TV show.

488
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: And I was already in school for theater and music,

489
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: so I didn't have a problem being.

490
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: Was okay.

491
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: So I didn't have a problem you know, being in

492
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: front of a camera. It didn't freak me out. So

493
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: I was like I'll go, you know, I'll meet with

494
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: the people that are doing this and then it just

495
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: all kind of happened.

496
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: Paranormal State.

497
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: Paranormal State, yeap, cool, that's my first show.

498
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: So by that point, were you scared off? I'm like,

499
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 3: so focused on being scared? Yeah, I just the thought

500
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: of the stuff. But were you had you where were

501
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 3: you in terms of your thoughts compared to how you

502
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: are now with your theories of you know, how to

503
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: approach the stuff. Were you a little bit more timid then,

504
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 3: or were you just like, let's do it.

505
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: It was a combination of both, Like, definitely let's do

506
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: it because I wanted to know and I wanted to

507
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: do this, but definitely more fearful. And the first place

508
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: we investigated as a group together for the television show,

509
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: it didn't end up being the first episode, and I'm

510
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 2: trying to remember what they ended up calling it for

511
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 2: the show. I can't remember the name of the episode,

512
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: but it involved a woman named Helen who she had

513
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: just lost her son. He had it was prom night

514
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: and he overdosed, unfortunately, and so she was having a

515
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: really hard time dealing with that. And their house had

516
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: always been haunted, and particularly her son Chris. He would

517
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: see this uh what he would describe as a dark man.

518
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: It was like a shadow figure and he would always

519
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: see that growing up. And she was scared that, you know,

520
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: is is he still here? Is he stuck here because

521
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: of this shadowy figure? So we went to go check

522
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: it out, and I remember, you know, I slept in there.

523
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: We slept in their house and it was me, Elfie,

524
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: and Heather, who's still one of my best friends to

525
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: this day, and we were all sleeping in the same

526
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: room together, and I had a piece so bad. It

527
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: was just like and I was like I woke up

528
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: at like three or four am, and I'm like, oh,

529
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 2: I can't be and I was like it was two things.

530
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: I was like in my pajamas and there were cameras everywhere,

531
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, I don't know if I want

532
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: to be in my pajamas on camera. And then it

533
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: was like also like I'm like, oh, I really have

534
00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: to pee, and I don't know if I want to

535
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: like run into like the shadow figure, you know. So

536
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: it was like so I just stayed all night like awake,

537
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: like oh no, I'm like, oh, I've got to be

538
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 2: so bad. So yeah, my my fear level has definitely

539
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: I've controlled that much better.

540
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: Now, is that when you met Lorraine Warren?

541
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Yeah. So I worked with Lorraine for the

542
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: duration of Paranormal State and you know, became good friends

543
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: with her, and yeah, so learned a lot from Lorraine.

544
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: And you know, she was a religious investigator, so you know,

545
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: she very much brought her faith into her work. And

546
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: she was also a psychic, you know, so I've worked

547
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 2: with her. We would bring her in to do like

548
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: a psychic reading in the house to see what she

549
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: could pick up on. And obviously she wouldn't know anything

550
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: coming in, and there were a lot of times where

551
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: she absolutely nailed the activity people were having, just the

552
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: characteristics of the people in the house, how she thought

553
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: things would work and when they would happen, and you know,

554
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: and I had the opportunity to talk to her about

555
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: a lot of her old cases.

556
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: Really.

557
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that all.

558
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: Anyville the things that we see in the Conjuringe, which

559
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: is a mixture of a bunch of cases. So yeah,

560
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: she had something like eight thousand cases.

561
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: Wow. Did you ever go to the house and see Annabelle? Oh?

562
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah I did. Actually, it was like the

563
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 2: best Halloween of my life. She had an event a

564
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: couple of years ago that they asked me to go to,

565
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: and it was Halloween and they were like, do you

566
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: want to come back to the museum And it's like

567
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: three am. So it's like really spooky, and it's actually

568
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: funny because so my fiance was with me at the

569
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: time and he's like again, he's so freaked out about this.

570
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: So I'm just like, let's get pictures with Annabelle. And

571
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: he's like no, no, It's like I'm fine, and so

572
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: like he's like I don't want to be anywhere near

573
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: that thing, like just I don't even want to look

574
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: at it. And so Annabelle is in this very heavy

575
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: like wooden and glass case, right, and it takes a

576
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: couple guys to move her. So they had they had

577
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: brought her to this event and with a couple other

578
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: objects like take her out, they take her on audience. Yeah,

579
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: oh yeah, annabel has like full audience.

580
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, my god.

581
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: And so we were at this event they had her

582
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: out for people to see and then they were like, okay,

583
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: well we're going to go to the museum to follow us.

584
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: And when we got there, they asked my fiance. They're like, hey,

585
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: you're a strong guy, do you mind help us like

586
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: carrying him in? And he was like uh like so

587
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: he did. And he's just like, what do I do?

588
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: Do I like sage myself? Do I do I go

589
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: to priests?

590
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that holy water, That's what I would say.

591
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but their their museum is this full of so

592
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: many things, like I mean from the thirties, the forties,

593
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 2: the fifties, occult objects that they found in the woods,

594
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: just very interesting objects are in there.

595
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: And since they are religious based, I think that they

596
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: have like a priest come blessed all the time.

597
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Annabel gets blessed. I want to say. So

598
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: it's like once or twice a week she gets blessed.

599
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: Do blessed to be stressed?

600
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

601
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 3: Wait where was this event at where they had her Connecticut?

602
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: But like what was the venue? Like they just oh it.

603
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: Was some I don't even know, some restaurant that had

604
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: like an event room, you know, it was like a

605
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: dinner restaurant.

606
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

607
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Annabel comes out.

608
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 3: I love that. I didn't realize that she like like

609
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: she's like the Oscar Mayer Wiener truck or whatever, like

610
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: they like you have her at the promotional events.

611
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

612
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: Wow, oh that's spooky. Okay, let's talk about the TV

613
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: show Okay, Portals to Hew, which I love. And wait,

614
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: did you know Jack Osborne before?

615
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: So it's funny. Jack and I we knew of each other.

616
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: We had never met, never spoken, but obviously I knew

617
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: who he was. And I found out when we first

618
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: started talking that he was actually a huge fan of

619
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: Paranormal State. Oh really yeah, so it's like our first meeting.

620
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: He was just like, I used to watch you when

621
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: I would go to bed. It's like, uh, weird, but yeah, no,

622
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: he would watch Paranormal State all the time because he's

623
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: been I mean, he's like us. You know, he grew

624
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: up in a house that had activity, so he has

625
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: had experiences since he was a little kid and so

626
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: and he used to have a show called Hanna Highway.

627
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: That's right.

628
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when he came back to this genre, you know,

629
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: he called me up and was like, you know, would

630
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: you consider working with me? And we started talking and

631
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: I found out that our philosophies on what we think,

632
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, this activity is and isn't was very much

633
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: aligned and we just had a good balance as far

634
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: as like our passions in the field went.

635
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are really good pair.

636
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: Thank you.

637
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: You seem like that's why I was wondering if you

638
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: knew each other before, because it really it doesn't seem

639
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: like two people that got paired up together and throw

640
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: them into the you know, Bobby Mackie's or so. Yeah,

641
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: you guys have great chemistry. Thank you. Yeah, And I

642
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: like one thing I really like about the show is

643
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 3: that even when I was watching the first episode when

644
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: it first came out, they were showing like the owner

645
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: of the Alaskan hotel that like they're putting the microphone

646
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: on her, like they're showing you like we're keeping the

647
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: cameras rolling, like it's not like some overly produced reality

648
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: show thing. Like I like that when like we're fully

649
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: aware that this is a reality show, we're showing everything. Yeah, yeah,

650
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 3: it's so cool. What's the spookiest place you into in

651
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: your opinion.

652
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: There's a couple I would say, I always go back

653
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: to the Alaskan being the spookiest seemed dark, Yeah, there's

654
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: and I don't think we have the whole story there.

655
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: There was a lot that I think the owners were

656
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: kind of just like concerned about bringing out publicly.

657
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: You know.

658
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: So there were there were some conversations I had with

659
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: them off camera where they kind of confirmed that, you know,

660
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: and Jack and I both felt this, and they confirmed

661
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: for us that those that speculation is cracked. And but

662
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: it was just it was just frustrating because the whole

663
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: time we were there was like, you know, slow release

664
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: little bombs of truth like.

665
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we need to know these things.

666
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and it makes our job really hard. But

667
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: it's just there's just a creepy, creepy vibe for lack

668
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: of better words, it's just creepy there. It's a really

669
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: cool place. I definitely recommend anybody to go, but it's

670
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: up there on the creep scale.

671
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: What what's the creepiest place overall? Like for you, Like,

672
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 3: what's the place I know you said the little kids gotcha,

673
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: but like, yeah, what's another thing that's like you'd you'd

674
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: be happy to not go back.

675
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so stubborn again that like I would

676
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: totally go back. I'd be like, you know, yeah, but

677
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: there's definitely been some places that have really shifted my

678
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: belief system. And I think those have kind of been

679
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: the creepiest places just because of the activity was so undeniable.

680
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: It was like, this is actually happening and we are

681
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: actually having this experience. There was I got scratched at

682
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: a place called the Black Monk House or thirty East

683
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: Drive in England. It's a case that goes back to

684
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six that we're aware of. I have a

685
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: friend that's working on some research there that thinks it

686
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: goes back even further, so very long standing hunting. And

687
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: I got scratched on my lower stomach while I was

688
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: there and cool. Yeah, yeah, it was very scary. That

689
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: was a very scary experience that actually made me want

690
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: to cry. I was like on the vergetteers because I couldn't.

691
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: It's such a weird thing when you're something affects your body, yeah,

692
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: and you have physical evidence of it.

693
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 3: That's why I always say, like me going ghost hunting

694
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: and drag if some ghosts snatches my wig off, that

695
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: would creep me out.

696
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. And it's it's very I mean, it

697
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: pulls the rug right out from underneath you. It shakes

698
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 2: your whole foundation. Because again we're taught from the time

699
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: we're very little, this is not real. So when you

700
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: have something It's one thing to see something, it's one

701
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: thing to hear a voice, but when you actually have

702
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: your body affected and you have no answers for how

703
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: that could happen, it's a very very scary thing. The

704
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: other time that really shifted my belief system was at

705
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum. We just Jack and I went

706
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: there for portals to Hell as well, But the first

707
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: time I was there, we captured this like Creepy Crawley,

708
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: weird shifting figure on camera.

709
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: Creepy Crawley.

710
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they call it the creeper, and it was. We

711
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: didn't see it with their own eyes. That's the crazy part.

712
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: We could not see it with their own eyes. We

713
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: were about maybe twenty feet away from it. The only

714
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: way we saw it was through our cameraman's camera. And

715
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: what's weird about it is we had two other cameras.

716
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: Our handheld cameras were identical, and our camera operator he

717
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: was working off of a red at the time, it

718
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: was a six K. Yeah, what's weird about it is

719
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: he actually worked with the company to change the sensor

720
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: on it because he wanted the show to look different.

721
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: He did not do it for like ghost tunning reasons

722
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: at all. He's not a ghost cuner. He just did

723
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: it purely for cinematic value, right. And what's very weird

724
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: about it is we've captured so many different figures on

725
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: his camera, and during that time for trans Alleghany, we

726
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: had a camera facing where this figure would have been,

727
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: and it didn't show up on that camera at all.

728
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: It only showed up on his Wow. So you know,

729
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: that was a moment that really shifted my perspective of

730
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: the things too. And when I went with Jack, I

731
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: was I was excited to go back because I'm like,

732
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: I want to find the creeper, you know, But I

733
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: was also a little nervous because like, what can I

734
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: curse on this?

735
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

736
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, because what the fuck is that?

737
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: Then? Yeah? What do you know?

738
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: What the fuck? Like when we saw that when we

739
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: played it back in real time, like we couldn't see

740
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 2: the whole figure shifting as much as it did. We

741
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: just saw the Crawley part. And it was when we

742
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: got in into posts and they were putting the episode

743
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: together that we saw how many times it morphed into

744
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: different shapes and it was just like, I mean, I

745
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: have no explanation for what that is I have zero explanation.

746
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: So that was and I will never forget that night

747
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: as long as I live, because in the moment, I mean,

748
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: the episode you know, makes it look like we were

749
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: there for ten minutes, five minutes, but we were up

750
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: in that hallway for like four hours, having experiences that

751
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: we couldn't document, so we would be hearing footsteps round

752
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: up behind us. Our camera equipment was dying even though

753
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: it was fully charged. The one person I was investigating

754
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: with was having constant anxiety. You know, I was seeing

755
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: shadows out of the corner of my eye and we

756
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: just could.

757
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 3: Not when you're trying to film to catch that stuff,

758
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: it's so hard.

759
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: And so that's and that figure showed up at the

760
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: tail end of all that. And when that figure went

761
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: away and we stopped down to look back at it,

762
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: the whole atmosphere changed. It's like a totally differ from place.

763
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: So it's like building and building and building, and you

764
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: could feel it. And then it just after that figure showed,

765
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: it died. So so when I went back with JACKO

766
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: is definitely nervous, and Jack and I, you know, we

767
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: had experiences at trans allgany, but they were almost like

768
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: they weren't as scary. They were a little lighter. We

769
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: we think we made if it is you know what

770
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: we think it is are We were using a rumpod

771
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: at the time and it kept going. So a rumpod

772
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: is it emits its own electromagnetic field, and anything that

773
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: breaks that field, it'll make a sound. So a hand

774
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: can break it. But also like a cell phone can

775
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: break the field, a walkie talkie can break the field.

776
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: Sowley or Creepy Crawley, that's our that's our thought at least.

777
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: And you know, we sat there for like an hour

778
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: just asking questions and we would get these responses every

779
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: single time, so you know, but that was obviously like

780
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: a much you know, friendlier experience then you know, seeing

781
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: a creepy Crawley figure in a camera.

782
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 3: Have you ever investigated in Hollywood? No, because I always

783
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: feel like the ghosts here in Hollywood are I mean

784
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: not all of them, but a lot of them are

785
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: like the unfinished business of getting their big break. So

786
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: I feel like they probably like are here to talk

787
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: and be on camera and like, you know, give you

788
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: a headshot or whatever so that they can get that

789
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: moment in the afterlife. I feel like it wouldn't be

790
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: as hard to film ghosts here.

791
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: It's funny to say that, though, because like every time

792
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: I come to LA there's something so attractive about the

793
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: energy here really that it's interesting. And I've had a

794
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: couple of friends that live here that we'll talk about it.

795
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: It's like this attractive energy that you feel. I don't

796
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: explain it. It's like you feel energetic, but at the

797
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: same time it feels unsettled.

798
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: Yep.

799
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this weird and it's not every neighborhood.

800
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: It's like certain neighborhoods that I go into, like you

801
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 2: feel this uneasiness about it that feels like so much.

802
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: It's not people. It's like so much deeper than that.

803
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: I wonder if it has to do with what you

804
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: just said.

805
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I was just telling a friend

806
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: about there's a certain venue that I've performed at many times,

807
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: and I am so I'm so empathic and when I

808
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: go to certain places like this venue that I perform at,

809
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: all I feel is just people's you know, years of

810
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 3: being on drugs or or wanting to get their big

811
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: break or meeting some producer, and in some sleazy situations

812
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 3: like I feel that energy even when there's nobody there,

813
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: like I just feel that.

814
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: It's that weird.

815
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I do feel things other places you

816
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: go to like you can pick up easily.

817
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: On Yeah, I think so. And which is it can

818
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 3: be stressful for me actually, and I've it's funny because

819
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: I actually learned to deal with it because I used

820
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: to be I used to have a wildlife and I

821
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 3: would be around people every day, just all day long,

822
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: just like rubbing up against me, hugging me, whatever. And

823
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I would be like,

824
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm so exhausted and I didn't even

825
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 3: do much. And then I realized like, oh that's why,

826
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: just like all these energies are constantly on me. And

827
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 3: that's when I started realizing like, oh, that's like a thing.

828
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I have a very good friend of mine.

829
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: She is a psychic who we've worked with on Portals

830
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: to Hell, and I've worked with her for.

831
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: I love her.

832
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: Do you know which one I'm talking about? Michelle Michelle Bell.

833
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: And Jai Tall. Yes, I was singing of the other

834
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: one too.

835
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: Oh Cindy, Yes, yes, yes, Cindy she yes, Cindy's great too.

836
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: But I haven't known her as long and she's known

837
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: Jack for a very long time. But Michelle, I've known

838
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: Michelle since like two thousand and sex. And I was

839
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: having this thing years ago where I would go to

840
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: and this sounds crazy, and I know how crazy it sounds,

841
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: but I would go to a bar and hang out

842
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: with my friends and I wouldn't be drinking, wouldn't be

843
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: doing anything right, and I would miss moments of that night.

844
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 2: It was like I would black out.

845
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: Oh wow, And it was.

846
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Like a really weird of like what the hell is

847
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: going on? And I thought I was going nuts, And

848
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: you know, I talked to my doctor about it, and

849
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: they're just like, we don't see anything wrong. And so

850
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 2: I turned to you know, a trusted colleague of mine,

851
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: and she's like, well, it's really not that uncommon for

852
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: really sensitive people. You're just picking up on like the

853
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: atmosphere and the energy of the people around you.

854
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 3: Oh, you just kind of escape into the atmosphere.

855
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, well, she believes it was like very

856
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: just an EmPATH moment where you know, you're literally picking

857
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: up on the energy of the people around you. So

858
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: if somebody around you is like in that moment of

859
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: like blacking out. You might feel it yourself.

860
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 3: I do that all the time. Yeah. Yeah, it's glad

861
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: to know it's not like a roofy situation or something. Okay,

862
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 3: you want to play a game, yes, okay, this is

863
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: called EVP or ev plicse Okay, So here's what I do.

864
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: I go to YouTube and I find ghost hunters. I

865
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: find their EVPs and I want you to guess what

866
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: they believe it says. But this is the first time

867
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: I've ever had someone that does this for a living.

868
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: So and I'm really mad at myself because I picked

869
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: ones that to me are like good, You're like, you know,

870
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: there's some that are just like and then it's like

871
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: I just said, hey, I'm a ghost. It's not that

872
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: I think I think you'll be able to figure these

873
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: ones out. But they're from Gettysburg. Which have you ever?

874
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I feel like you must have. This is

875
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: from the Farnsworth House. I've been there.

876
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: I have many many times.

877
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, what's the history of the Farnsworth.

878
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: Us barns were without so they actually still have bullets

879
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: on the side of their Uh, it's like a brick wall.

880
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: They still have bullets.

881
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: Lodged in there from the war, so and they trying

882
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: to think of the ghost stories there at the top

883
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: of my head. I know because I actually slept there, uh,

884
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: investigating before. And I know they've had couples like that

885
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: stay for like you know, a romantic wee can get

886
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 2: away that they'll wake up and they'll see somebody at

887
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: the foot of their bed, or they'll have like the bedshake,

888
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: or they'll hear a voice in their room, things like that.

889
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: And I know there's a little child ghost that people

890
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: have seen because when I slept there, I remember, we

891
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: set up toy cars everywhere. Excuse me, I remember we

892
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: set up toy cars everywhere to try to, you know,

893
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: entice some activity to happen. But nothing really happened when

894
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: I stayed there. But they make a killer room cream pie.

895
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well I found two different investigators that had caught

896
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: stuff there. So here's the first one. What does it say,

897
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 3: we'll try it again?

898
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I had no idea. I mean it's three

899
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: syllables and it's a clear voice.

900
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: I'll give you some options. Okay, is it a my horselied?

901
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 3: Maybe they would a horse that lied to them. B

902
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: on your side, C bonour guy. Maybe they'll like speak

903
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 3: of French or d Man.

904
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: One more time. I I don't even know if I

905
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: would say any of those answers.

906
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: What is it? The correct one is on your side,

907
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: which I can here.

908
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so what was the context of

909
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: it where they do? You know?

910
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think they just kind of

911
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: had the camera set up and.

912
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: Then they caught it.

913
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

914
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Interesting.

915
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they asked like a show was a sign

916
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: or kind of a thing, and it said on your side. Yeah.

917
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: Well what's cool about that is it's not like a

918
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: whisper or a garbilly thing.

919
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's kind of a far away Yeah. Okay,

920
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: let's try another one. This one is also from the

921
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: Farnsworth House. Oh sorry, that first one was posted by

922
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: Adams four six ' nine. This next one is from

923
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: NPI s CT's the name of the YouTube person and

924
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: they recorded this one in the front door of the

925
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 3: Farnsworth House. The last one was in the attic. Okay,

926
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: here we go.

927
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: It was a whisper one. Any guesses options give me out?

928
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: I like the ABC thing A.

929
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 3: Did you heard him? B? Don't you worry? See? Are

930
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: you flirting?

931
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 4: Maybe?

932
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: They're like you flirting with me? Or d Let's get dirty.

933
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: Maybe it was like a two thousand and two Ghosts

934
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: that love Christina, I love it?

935
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: Could you flee you again? I think I hear more like,

936
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: did you hurt him?

937
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

938
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: That's what they said too, And that's what I hear

939
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: that it would be fun if it was like a

940
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 3: two thousand and two Christina Aguilera fan. Lets get dirty? Yeah?

941
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: Did you heard him?

942
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: Did you heard him?

943
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: I think that's about it. Yeah. Wait, oh I had

944
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: one more question. Well, first of all from Portals of Hell.

945
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 3: Very important question. Who does your makeup? Because your eyeshadow

946
00:47:59,320 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: is always on?

947
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: Pull thank you me?

948
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: You do it yourself?

949
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: So I makeup?

950
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

951
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: Well because I used to do makeup. Oh yeah, I well,

952
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: because especially like in theater, right, they teach you. I

953
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: mean that's like required curriculum that you have to know

954
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: how to do all that stuff.

955
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: Because there was at least one boy in the high

956
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: school theater that's got a little too much on That

957
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: was me.

958
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: Yes, But even before that, I worked at a salon

959
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: for like eight years when I was like you know,

960
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 2: high school in college, and so I learned how to

961
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: do all that stuff and just it's like it's the

962
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: only drawling I'm ever good at. So and then in

963
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: between gigs, I used to do weddings, so cool.

964
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: So yes I do all that. Oh my gosh, I

965
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: love that. Okay.

966
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

967
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: Another thing I wanted to ask you about was have

968
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: you ever investigated Stole Cemetery?

969
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 2: No, it's been on my list for a very long

970
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: time though. They say that the gates the Hell are

971
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: installed cemetery.

972
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. We had Kyle Ayres as a comedian that we

973
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: had on the show, and here he had an experience there.

974
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh really they creeped me out.

975
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Oh can you tell it to me?

976
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: Or yeah, well he had a whole situation, like a

977
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: bunch of stuff happened there, but he just saw some

978
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: shady activity with a man. You'd have to listen back

979
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: to the episode, but I was. He was telling me

980
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 3: about like how there's these stairs that they say are

981
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: like the stairs to Hell, and then there's like this

982
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: church that doesn't have a roof, but when it rains,

983
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 3: it doesn't get wet in there. Oh, just weird. Weird.

984
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: Season two?

985
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the Hell season two. Yeah, so portals that

986
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: when would this air Thursday? Okay? Perfect? So by the time,

987
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's perfect because that will be our Little Laurie

988
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: Mansion episode in New Orleans. Oh my god, it is insane.

989
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: So Jack and I are the first people ever to

990
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: get access to that house to investigate. Congrats, Yeah, thank you.

991
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: I mean we've been I've been trying. I mean I've

992
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: been doing this for thirteen years until and I've been

993
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: producing other shows and I call all the time to

994
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: try to get into that house and everybody gets turned away.

995
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: And the only reason we got access is because Jack

996
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: knows the owner. So the owner was like, I trust you.

997
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: I know you. I know you're not going to do

998
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: anything stupid. I know you're not going to like ruin

999
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: my house. Like, so you can have access. And so

1000
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: we investigated that place and it's so I mean, first off,

1001
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: it's beautiful, you know, just the architecture and you know

1002
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: how they've designed it. It's gorgeous. But you take that away,

1003
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: you have a haunting, you know, And it's it's so

1004
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: interesting because Jack and I we really delved into the

1005
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: research because there's so many rumors about the Lil Lori

1006
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: Mansion that are just flat out I mean they're just

1007
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: flat out lies.

1008
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: Even like within an American horror story. Do you a

1009
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 3: little bit they did?

1010
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: And I honestly I never saw it, so I don't

1011
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: care debates.

1012
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: And because that's the story. She had slaves, right, that

1013
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: she kept in a room and tortured or something.

1014
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's all true. I mean she did, you know,

1015
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: Madame did have these slaves that she kept in a room.

1016
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: And at the time, New Orleans had what they called

1017
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: the Black Code, which was their standard for how you

1018
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: couldn't couldn't treat slaves. And even to I mean, which

1019
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: we all know they were horribly treated. I mean, that's

1020
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: no like myth in our country. We know how badly

1021
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: they were treated. But even to their standards, she went wow,

1022
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: like above and beyond what they thought was acceptable. And

1023
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: so the entire town, I mean, they drove her out

1024
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: by a mob, and she would believed that she went

1025
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: to France and that she died in France. But there's

1026
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: some speculation about that on whether or not she came

1027
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: back here to die in America or if her body

1028
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 2: was just brought back over. But there is just so

1029
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: many rumors surrounding exactly what kinds of level of torture

1030
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: she inflicted. On them, and you know, obviously it's kind

1031
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 2: of gotten out of hand over the years, and people

1032
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 2: have told some very tall tales about how bad it got.

1033
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: So Jack and I you know, really delved into that

1034
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: research and we were actually really able to dispel a lot.

1035
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 3: Of this mess. Oh good.

1036
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even just with the house, like the house

1037
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: how it looks today is not how it looked back then.

1038
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: Oh okay.

1039
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: So there's like this huge third story on the house

1040
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: now and that was never there during the time that

1041
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: she lived there. And there's some speculation on whether or

1042
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: not they rebuilt the house after she left. So you know,

1043
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: there's there's just a lot of rumors about the place.

1044
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 3: Is there a demon side to the haunting.

1045
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: Or I don't believe? So okay, we definitely had experiences

1046
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: and Jack and I actually you'll see it in the episode.

1047
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: We had a really uh and it actually kind of like,

1048
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: even for me, it kind of creeps me out because

1049
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: we were I guess I can say what it is.

1050
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: We were we were sitting next to each other, and

1051
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: we were in what was the slave quarters and which

1052
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: I think is way more haunted than the actual house,

1053
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: And we were sitting next to each other I was

1054
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: on the floor, he was on the couch, and like,

1055
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: I literally get like little Prickly is on my show

1056
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: when I think about this. We hear this really loud,

1057
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: unmistakable breath between us, and it just goes like I

1058
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: remember Jack and I both like we stared at each

1059
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: other and like both of our eyes were completely wide

1060
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: and we're like, did you just hear that? I'm like, yes,

1061
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: I just heard that. So no, it was really I

1062
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: mean that experience is really weird to me.

1063
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: Okay. My friend Meg, who is also very sensitive, she

1064
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 3: went there. She actually told her she was on the show,

1065
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: and she told her she went on one of those

1066
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: you know, walking tours of New Orleans and they stopped

1067
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 3: in front of that house about ninety five percent sure

1068
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 3: was that house? Yeah it was, and she's outside. They're

1069
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: telling the whole story of like this is the house,

1070
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: is what happened whatever? They did not go in, but

1071
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 3: she got physically ill and like she thinks that it

1072
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: was some kind of spirit or energy or something that

1073
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 3: got inside of her. Mm hmm.

1074
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I've actually met other people who have

1075
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: said that about that house. Interesting there, and actually there

1076
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: was an old owner that we met with who when

1077
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: she was walking by. Years later, she believes that she

1078
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: got pushed and she fell like face first onto the

1079
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: pavement of the street.

1080
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: That is so mean.

1081
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not cool.

1082
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: Just all these things that like ghosts. There's like you

1083
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 3: hear these ghosts that they think it's okay when they're

1084
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 3: dead to do this stuff, but like, you can't do

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00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 3: that when you're alive. Don't do that when you're dead.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, You're not allowed to just go around people.

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Speaker 3: That's not okay.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the thoughts too, is like we don't know,

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00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: like do they mean, like does this energy mean to

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00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: manifest that way?

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Speaker 3: They know?

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00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know.

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00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm over here, and I'm like, I know they do. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy that you did this, Like I am

1095
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 3: so honored that you joined up and you are just

1096
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 3: the perfect guest. So thank you. I hope everybody watches

1097
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 3: Portosa Hell every Friday, Travel Channel and anything else you want.

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Speaker 3: Do you want the kids to know where to find y'all?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Social media. I'm most active on Instagram, so that's

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Speaker 2: Katrina Widman And actually all my social handles are just

1101
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 2: my name because there's like three of us in the world.

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Speaker 3: There she was Katrina Widman. Wow, so cool, and I

1103
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 3: got to check out that creepy Crawley episode. What is that? Guys?

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Speaker 3: This is great, Everything's great. I keep telling them. In

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00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 3: a good mood today, I really am. She put me

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00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: in a great mood and I just feel so excited

1107
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: and I'm getting really excited to do some ghost hunting

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00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: of my own. So she really gave me like a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a pep talk and I'm ready. I'm

1110
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: ready to go out there with an open mind and

1111
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: some extra Bobby pins in my wig and we're gonna

1112
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Speaker 3: do this. So if you want to see me, I've

1113
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Speaker 3: and in person and you're in the Los Angeles area.

1114
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Speaker 3: I play a dominatrix fairy godmother type in a show

1115
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: called Virgin, which is hilarious, and I did it in January.

1116
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 3: We sold out, and now we're coming back for the

1117
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Speaker 3: Hollywood Fringe Festival and that's going to be opening tomorrow

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Speaker 3: the seventh, and we've got select dates throughout the month

1119
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Speaker 3: and that's in Hollywood. So go to my Instagram. I

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Speaker 3: got all the info there. I'd love to see you

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Speaker 3: there and talk to you after the show. I'm gonna

1122
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Speaker 3: be doing a show at UCB that night, the seventh.

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Speaker 3: It's called Spanish Achi, and i'd love to see you

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Speaker 3: there as well. And then I'm going out to Boise,

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Speaker 3: Idaho to do Mean Gays for Boise Pride and we

1126
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: are doing that on the fourteenth of June, so that'd

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00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 3: be fun to see you there. Maybe maybe i'll ghost

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Speaker 3: ton around Boise. We'll see guys. Please follow me on

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: Instagram at Roz Drazfalass and join the Facebook group Ghosted

1130
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: by Roz at gmail dot com. It always helps out

1131
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: the show if you give us five stars on Apple

1132
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 3: Podcasts or Himalaya or anywhere that you can give five

1133
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 3: stars and write a cool review. And if you have

1134
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: a ghost story, you can share it there, or you

1135
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: can share it in the Facebook group, or you can

1136
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Speaker 3: email me Ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. I

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Speaker 3: love you all, both living and dead. But if I

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Speaker 3: didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Stars a podcast network