WEBVTT - How to Control a Riot 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.920 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.560 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:16.360 from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.960 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant, 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:25.800 and this is Stuff you Should Know the podcast. Are 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.880 you waiting on me? Yes, it is Josh. Did you 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.880 see Mark Marin? What do you mean he topp old 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.559 Irony Glass for a few days. I did see that 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.120 out in nowhere. Yeah, he must have had some sort 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.760 of little, uh, publicity push or something something something happened. Yeah, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.120 it's great for him. Yeah, he has a great show though. Yes, 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.599 he does really good interviewer Mr Maron. I emailed him 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.760 one time, told him that and he was like, he said, 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.559 thanks a lot many Who are you? He probably did, 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.200 but that's fine. Yeah, he's a nice guy. I'm not 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:01.320 a famous comedian. No, not yet, No, Chuck. Did you 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:06.480 ever watch Wkrappe and Cincinnati? Did so? Do you remember 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.080 the one? Like every once in a while, different Strokes 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.120 would do this too. They'd be like, uh, at the 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.320 end of the episode when it was really serious, there 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.920 would be no clapping. It'd just be quiet, right, but 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:19.640 you could tell the audience was still. There was always 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:21.840 somebody moving in their seat or coughing or whatever, so 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.720 like the audience was just sitting there being silent, which 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:30.120 threw a pall over the entire episode, even though it 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.920 was jarring, and even as a lad, I remember thinking like, wow, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.520 something big just happened that I wasn't paying attention to, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:41.120 you know. Um, And there's a particular w KRP episode 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:43.679 that stands out that was like that, the one where 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.800 they sponsored the Who concert where those people got trampled. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.880 All right, did you see that one? Yeah? I remember, 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:52.240 I knewhere you were going with that. So so this 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.640 happened in real life. There was a a WHO concert 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.200 in Cincinnati and it was general admission seating, which apparently 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.760 UM it away with general admission for a while, open 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.720 the gates and run to wherever you want to go. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.680 There was like a sound check, and people mistook the 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.960 sound check for an early start. Was a late sound check, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.680 and they thought it was an early start, so people 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.760 started pushing in. Well they I guess the people who 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:21.240 owned the theater had fewer entrances open than they could have, 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:26.960 so this massive people just started pushing forward, and um, 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.520 some people got pressed against the doors and were asphyxiated 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:36.560 by this huge crowd. People trampled to death. To this day, 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.840 I mean, you can explain what the trigger was, but 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.960 to this day, there's a lot of study that that 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.280 has come up empty handed to that kind of crowd behavior. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.480 That's what it's called. It's the study of crowd behavior. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:53.400 People as individuals act differently when they submit to a 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.760 larger collective group, a quote unquote mob mentality. That's part 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.919 of it too, But things like that that stampede, um 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.639 Black Friday stampedes. Have you ever seen video of this? 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.440 They're nuts. There's one where like it ends with this 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.079 guy coming into the foreground and he's like leaning over 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.600 this railing like a target or something, and he's like, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.760 I got this horrible look on his face and he's 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.480 like trying to catch his breath and like he's been 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.960 trampled and they managed to extract him, and he's sitting 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.880 there like leaning over the rail and catching his breath, 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:28.840 and you just know that like once he called his breath, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.600 he was going to go right into the target and 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.920 start shopping. But um, so all of this this is 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.880 called crowd behavior. And one of the big ones, the 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.640 one that's the one that's really always been elusive, is rioting. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.840 Why riots happened, Why ordinary people behave the way they 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.600 do in a riot, breaking glass, beating up people for 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.520 no good reason like stealing, looting, all this stuff. Right, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.440 One thing they have kind of figured out is how 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.520 to control riots, right, Yes, they have, and they've gotten 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.440 better at it over the years, um as recently as 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.840 in l A with the famous La riots which my 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.760 brother lived out there. At the time, they still weren't 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.040 doing a great job at it, because I think that 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:20.520 was a big learning experience. Your injuries, seven thousand fires 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.440 Troy on the night before Halloween or something, well, we'll 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.200 talk about Detroit to more than twelve thousand arrest, a 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.680 billion dollars in damage after the Rodney King verdict came back. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.640 Is not guilty obviously for the four white cops who 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.039 beat the tar out of Rodney King. And uh it 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.960 lasted from April twenty ninth until May second. That was 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.360 full on riding going on streets of l A. Yeah, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.760 and they've gotten better at it since then. It's poor 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.400 Reginald Denny getting shot in the leg. The trucker who 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:51.120 got pulled out. Yeah, I do remember that. That was 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.680 crazy man. So that's what's called the mob mentality. And 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.600 one of the things this is the grabster ed Grabanowski 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.680 always gets the good stuff. He's quality. One thing he 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.880 pointed it out here, which is a big deal with 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:08.880 my mentality I never considered, is anonymity. That is the point, right, Yeah, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.880 You've got a crowd of people who are like, kind 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.400 of all feeling the same way at the very least, 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.600 they're all feeling the same energy. But the cops are 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.160 standing there staring at you. You're not gonna do anything 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.919 if the cops are staying they're staring at you, especially 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.680 if you think you may be the only one to 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.000 do something right. You're not gonna throw them all the 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.599 top cocktail at a cop when you think everyone in 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.440 the crowd is gonna look at you like, what did 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.840 you just do that for? Right, But if you're anonymous, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.920 not just to the cops, but within the crowd, you're 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.960 probably going to start something. Yeah, it gives it makes 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.960 you do things you wouldn't ordinarily do you were on 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.120 your own. And there's different schools of thoughts with with riots, right, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:55.400 they The prevailing idea is that UM riots are formed 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.760 by a few people who do act as triggers once 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.920 the risk of being arrested is low enough through anonymity, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.839 a few people who are angry enough have something to gain, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.520 there's some there's some reason they act as the leaders 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.279 or the people who start the riots and everybody else 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:17.599 which they're considered a homogeneous group, right of soccer fans 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.520 or UM people are low on the socioeconomic ladder. In 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:25.640 l A. R UM, they just got caught up in 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:29.920 the in the mob mentality, right, And that's that's UM. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.760 That's pretty much how most people see riots these days. Yeah, 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:38.039 and that's basically every riot you just described. There's two 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.359 things you need, the fuel and the spark. It's like 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.720 a fire, and it's very much accurate to call it that. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.400 The fuel can build up and usually does build up 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.839 over time. Uh. In the case of l A. It 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.000 was it was racial prejudiced and what they perceived as 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.839 unfair treatment because they might have been poor. Well, not 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.160 just that, I think the l A p D has 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.680 been especially at that time and was viewed as like 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.080 the most crooked police department in the country. So this 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.640 builds up over time. Maybe it's a union, uh, angry 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:11.000 at their company, angry for years, decades even over mistreatment. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.679 And once you get a big enough group of people 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.400 that are all ticked off about something together and you 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.440 can have a spark, which doesn't even need to be 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.800 something real. Sometimes it can be a rumor did something happen. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.760 People get whipped up to a frenzy. That spark ignites 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.600 the fuel and you've gotta ride on your hands, and 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.840 that sparked. Another term for it is a shilling um incident, 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.640 shilling incident. I think, Yeah, there's this guy who studied 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.440 crowd mentalities, crowd behavior and he uh, I think his 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.560 name is Thomas Shilling. And um, a shilling incident is 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.640 like a signal. It can be anything from like when 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.080 you when you reach that peak moment where everybody's charged 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.440 up but nobody's gonna do anything. If somebody suddenly shatters 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.120 like a plate glass window, everybody's gonna go nuts. A 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.480 shilling incident just happened. Yeah, But another way to put 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.400 it is that that spark, right, but it takes something 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.960 like that signal, like it's go, time for the balance 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.160 to tip and a riot, a crowd to go from 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:13.400 a crowd to a riot. Josh, we talked about in 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.040 the past. Uh, they were not very good at it. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.400 And when I say they're not very good, it was 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.720 because it was us versus them. Cops go in and 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.480 start beating people into submission, and that's not the way 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.440 they want to do things nowadays. No, it was viewed 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.720 as a battle. Yeah, like let's go out and fight 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:35.400 each other. Yeah, like Braveheart or uh the other one 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.840 that he made like that. Yeah, and we've got better 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.480 weapons cops do, so we're we're gonna win despite the 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:43.920 fact that you may outnumber us, although sometimes we might 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.840 out number you and have better weapons and um. Apparently 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.320 one of the things they figured out this happened in 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.920 l A. And when you don't number of the cops, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.760 the cops back down. Apparently that's what they did in 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.040 l A. They were like, there's something we can do, well, 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.360 we'll get eaten alive, so we're going to just kind 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.880 of hang back and try to contain that, right. You know. Interesting, Uh, 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.480 these days, it's pretty cool how they do it. There 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.560 is a command team. They form a square, a big 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.800 square of officers. Yeah. And by the way, it really 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.199 helps to see this graphic. Do you have that to 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.880 This graphic is as helpful as a graphic I've ever 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.040 seen in my entire life. Yeah. So what you've got 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.960 is you've got a big square of officers. In the 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.559 center of that square, you have your command team giving 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.439 out the orders. They're obviously well protected because they're in 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.080 the middle. Yeah, and the outside the sides in the 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.599 front and back are called echelons, right, yes, And and 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.160 echelon is about ten to twelve cops that are you 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.040 know that you know what echelon you're in, so you 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.160 know what to do, like, oh, we'll get into that 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.360 in a second. There's also in the center there's an 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.000 arrest team, and they are the only people that are 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.080 actually placing people under arrest. Everyone has their own job, 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.360 and what I get from this is you gotta stick 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.360 to your job in order to be effective. If you're 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.960 in a front echelon, don't start arresting guys. It's not 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.800 your job. And I think the whole thing would fall apart. 0:09:59.880 --> 0:10:03.800 Like you say, so, uh, it's very mobile, very tactical. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.920 You can change direction if if all those dudes in 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.520 the square all of a sudden said, you know, the 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.040 command team sends out the message we've got people coming 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.440 from the south. They can all turn around and all 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.240 of a sudden, you've got the same effective team go 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:21.160 in the other direction, very reactive, very act. The echelon's 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.640 cover each other. They don't all go out at once 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.000 like an echelon. If they want to advance, they'll send 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.680 out one echelon while everyone else covers them. Then the 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.360 next echelon will go forward. And then what you're doing 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:35.000 is you're moving the square into another position. Right. And 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.120 remember we said that rioting groups are generally taking as 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.520 homogeneous mostly people who get caught up in this thrill 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.559 of the moment um when they're confronted with police. The 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.080 idea is that they really just kind of want to 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.840 go home. They don't want to get arrested. They don't 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.520 have any dog in the fight. So if they see 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.840 this tactical squad coming at them, um, the one of 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.520 the first points of the squad is to let these 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.200 people go home. That's that's what the cops want, is 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.400 they would just want you to get out of there. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.240 So it's not just like this solid wall, although it 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.440 can be. These echelons they're also very capable of spreading 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.480 out to let people flow through them and get out 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.000 of there. That's what they want to do. They want 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.160 to leave you an escape route, whereas in the old 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:23.200 days they would actually try and strategically trap you in 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:28.520 a corner, which with a night stick. But you know, 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.640 when you're trapped in a corner, you're gonna be even 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.679 more enraged and scared. So that just led to more violence. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.280 So if you are confronted by an echelon of this, right, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.960 let's say you're just an average person and you're you 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.959 want to get out of there, you're probably going to 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.120 be able to make it through or around them, right. 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:48.959 But if you're just standing there and you're throwing rocks still, 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.880 or you're shouting at him, or you're not moving and 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.440 they're telling you to, what's gonna happen is they're gonna 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:58.400 close ranks and then the the two officers that you're 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.280 in between are gonna open up, and you're gonna find 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:06.600 yourself swallowed by this tactical square of riots basically, and 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.640 that's when you're going to be introduced to the arrest team. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:15.160 You were in a walled area of cops and that's 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:17.200 probably not a fun place to know you're going to 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.319 have your you're in trouble. So Josh, you want to 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:23.760 talk about some of the devices these officers used to 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.360 quell a crowd. You're you're not going to go into 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:31.280 a riot, you know, wearing Madras shorts. You know it's 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.520 not you could, but you're gonna be wearing them. Wonder 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:39.000 what's called hardtack, which is a helmet with a visor. Right, Um, 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.959 body armor and not just like the the chest armor 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.000 chest and back, but like you know, the or the best, 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.640 that's what it's called. You're you're gonna have body armor 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.960 on your arms, your legs, your shins, probably flame retardant, 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.760 and then a shield and the shield in the in 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.000 the face mask are made of um what lex and yeah, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.640 which is like bulletproof if it's thick enough. This stuff 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.320 isn't thick enough. It's not intended to be bulletproof, but 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:10.280 it's probably brickproof or at least Molotov cocktail proof. Yeah, exactly, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.240 that's what you're looking for. Um they have, um a 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.920 baton is probably what most of these uh women in 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.960 man I keep saying, Dudes, they're probably some female riot cops. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:24.200 I imagine that are holding a baton so generally made 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.360 of wood about forty two inches long, and they use 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.400 these instead of rifles because rifles can ignite a crowd, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.280 and you don't want someone grabbing your rifle, so they 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.240 want to try and keep things as low key as 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.680 possible initially at least, and bringing a rifle into the 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.640 fight definitely will not do that. Well, no, not not 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.520 only that, but if if somebody gets the rifle away 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.720 from the cops, bad news. Yeah, they have non lethal rounds, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.080 but it just quick to point out there is really 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.319 no such thing as a non lethal round. Anything fired 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:59.920 from a gun can kill you potentially. Just ask Brandon Lee. Yeah, 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.600 well I guess you couldn't ask Brandon Lee, but the 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.679 director of the crow. Uh. And they are fired from 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.960 a forty millimeter gun and it's one of those sometimes 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.720 it's a single shot, but it's like a grenade launcher. 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.920 Sometimes it's those really cool looking things with a six 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.080 or eight round barrels. Looks like a Tommy gun sort of. 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.680 It's very cool. But they shoot out forty millimeter shells, right, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:24.120 and like you said, they're less than lethal rounds, right, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:29.560 less lethal. Um. And basically you have a couple of 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.520 different kinds of rounds in or a couple of different categories. 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:36.840 Like you know, blunt force rounds, right, and blunt force 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.600 rounds are basically meant to knock you on your bottom 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:42.920 when you're in the middle of a riot, a big 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:44.680 thud in your chest, or at the very least, to 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.800 smack your legs in your stomach. Because if you're a rioter, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.240 and you aren't, you weren't planning to be in a 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:54.280 riot that day, you may be wearing moderates shorts, right, 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.240 And so these rounds, these blunt force rounds, there's a 0:14:57.320 --> 0:15:00.240 wood baton, the rubber baton, the phone baton, all of 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.480 these are designed. Um. They look like little canisters. They're 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.720 shot from these grenade launchers and they're filled with these things, right, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:11.320 They're filled with little hockey pook like disks, right that 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.120 when the shell hits the ground, usually you shoot them 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.240 at the ground in front of protesters. When they hit 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.800 the ground, the shell opens up and all these little 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.320 disks just spread out and smack a bunch of people 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.960 all at once, and all of a sudden they're like, oh, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.960 and snap out of their rioting mentality hopefully and go home. Right, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.840 that's the idea. That's the idea of the blunt force round. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.280 There's also a bean bag around um, which is exactly 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.160 what it sounds. It shoots little square bean bags, or 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.560 there's some that look like tadpoles if you are you know, aiming, 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.400 if you want to be accurate. And then there's the 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.920 sponge round, right, which is the cleanest of all the 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:55.360 blunt force rounds. It's basically like a sponge bullet, which 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.560 I imagine hurts pretty bad. Yeah. Actually, my nephew know 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.240 it shot me in the back over christ Us with 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.120 this little gun. Then he got a little air gun 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.720 that shoots a little rubber pellets. Oh yeah, the little 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.720 yellow ones. Hh yeah, very soft, I think so. Yeah, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:11.680 this is a second time for some reason in my life, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.800 I volunteered to be shot because everyone was wondering how 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.320 bad it hurts, and I was like, well, to shoot me. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.880 So I made my back taught with my shirt and 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.320 he shot me in the back and it hurt a lot, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.800 didn't Yeah that made raised a big red welt and 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:26.600 uh yeah, it was not fun. So I talked to 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.120 Strickland of tech stuff, John Stricklin. He went to c 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.520 ES and m one of the things that was left 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:39.200 out of this article was um electrocution, non lethal electrocuting 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.320 weapons of the sho people, specifically Taser, which is a 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.280 company's name by the way. But Strickland said that Taser 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.560 was at c S in Vegas. Yes, are you serious? 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.000 Tasing people who wanted to be tased to find out 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:56.360 how it felt, and they were chasing people. But he 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.160 said there was something called the Taser shock wave, which 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.840 is an electric shot cannon. Wow, right, I should Yeah, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.760 that's that thing. So basically, it's just this array of 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.280 tasers that you sit on like a amount, and you 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.960 can stack them up on four legs, stack them next 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.520 to one another, so you create a barricade of tasers 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.040 and if people are running at you, just deploy and 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.840 it tastes. Let's see each each little stack can taste 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.760 six people at once, and you start stacking them up 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.560 in side by side. That's a lot of people that 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:29.600 you're tasting at once. Strickland didn't get tasted. There's no 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.960 way Strickling got taste. Uh. There's all kinds of cool 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.720 non lethal weapons. Actually, I've seen those foam guns that 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.879 like cover you in sticky goo and like sound things 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.600 flash bang grenades, gay bomb that was created or that 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.200 was thought of as a non lethal weapon at the time. Yes, 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.640 Patterson right, Patterson Air Force Space Right. Yes, they don't 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.199 use all these in riots though obviously, Um, they do 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:59.359 use pepper ball rounds and those are basically modified paint guns, 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.159 but instead of paint, it's filled with pepper spray that 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.840 hits you. It's not gonna be very fun. No, it's 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.680 gonna sting and then you're gonna get that stuff in 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.040 your face. They said they can also use a water 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.720 in case there are children or elderly in the crowd, right, 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.040 and that wld on a pepper spray the elderly, You don't, Um, 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.560 I just want to see the elderly rioting though. That's 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.840 what I was trying to figure out. Buddy, Wait until 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.000 they take away social Security and then you'll see some 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.159 elderly rioting. He's slow, right, Apparently the water that will 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.520 still cause a stinging sensation and uh have a similar effect. Well. Plus, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.160 if anyone who's savvy, a savvy rioter and has been 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.680 hit with a pepper ball spray or pepper pepper ball around, 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.960 UM may take this water round to be pepper spray 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.120 and will start running, or it could have the same effect, 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.800 has a psychological effect, psychs him out. Yeah, you're trying 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:55.480 to disperse people. There's also if you're into pepper spray 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.360 or cs gas, which I'm gonna go ahead and try 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:05.240 to pronounce this now, okay, Chlora benzeldine Milan trial, Clara benzeliding, 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.159 Clara benz aladine Milana trial, and oh, sea gas is 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.800 oleah resin capsicum, which is what pepper spray is. Did 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.960 you look at the pronunciation of capsicum? Is that wrong? 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.320 I think that's right. It's either capsicum or capsicum. I'm 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.400 gonna go okay, But you can both of those can 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.840 be um injected into an aerosol grenade, which is tear 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.960 gas grenade. Uh, and you can throw that into a 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.280 crowd if you want to start a stampede and kill 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.040 a bunch of people. People get freaked out when you 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.760 throw a grenade that starts spewing gas, right, they don't 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.520 know what it is. But apparently this is very useful 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.280 for crowd control. Like, if you want the crowd to 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.480 move right, you throw one of these to the left 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.399 and the left outskirts of the crowd and everybody starts 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.959 moving the way you want them to. Or if some 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.679 people are just beating somebody up, you can throw that 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.480 into a crowd to get into layoff, or you can 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.800 create a barricade of tear gas. Yeah. The other thing, Josh, 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:06.280 they have is die rounds, so sponge drowns, ferret rounds. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.560 We didnt talk about ferret rounds, but they penetrate windows 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.560 and wooden barricades kind of to blast through something so 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.840 that they can send in some gas. Well, they have 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.480 gas in the round. It wasn't spelled out. Yeah, I 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.200 looked at like it's in the round. Okay, Yeah, Well 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.600 all these things can be filled with die marker die 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.840 as well. So if you see like one of the 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:27.919 leaders or someone who's doing something especially bad, you can 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:29.720 pop them with one of these, and all of a sudden, 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.480 the arrest team knows, hey, get that guy with the 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.480 red splotch on his chest or surf or the blue 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:40.080 spots in the uh. And so if I would suggest, well, 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.800 I'm not going to suggest that if I was hit 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:44.680 with one of these, I'd take off my shirt or something, 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.280 which would be a whole different kind of problem. Um 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.560 animals sometimes use dogs and horses to intimidate people. Yeah, 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.600 but not only that, horses and dogs are also relatively 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.080 immune to O C and C S gas just C 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.360 S gas. Pepper spray is not good for anyone that's 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.399 just straight up hot um. But that's yeah, sure, I 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.280 wonder they test that. You know exactly how they test it. 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.760 They spray a horse and say, and then they'll wonder 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.320 what happens if a horse um, josh. What they're trying 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.719 to do here is the in fact, they don't even 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.720 call it a riot squad anymore. What they now call 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:30.040 it is crowd management units. Yes, we're onto the philosophy 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:36.040 of riot control. Chapter one. Prevention, stop it before it 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.879 starts is the goal. A lot of these things happen 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:43.399 at planned um protests. So when they hear about this, 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.680 someone applies for a permit to stage a rally. Let's 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:50.640 say that's one that's particularly they think in an incendiary 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.040