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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know

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Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you Should Know the podcast. Are

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Speaker 1: you waiting on me? Yes, it is Josh. Did you

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Speaker 1: see Mark Marin? What do you mean he topp old

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Speaker 1: Irony Glass for a few days. I did see that

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Speaker 1: out in nowhere. Yeah, he must have had some sort

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Speaker 1: of little, uh, publicity push or something something something happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's great for him. Yeah, he has a great show though. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he does really good interviewer Mr Maron. I emailed him

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Speaker 1: one time, told him that and he was like, he said,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot many Who are you? He probably did,

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Speaker 1: but that's fine. Yeah, he's a nice guy. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a famous comedian. No, not yet, No, Chuck. Did you

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Speaker 1: ever watch Wkrappe and Cincinnati? Did so? Do you remember

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Speaker 1: the one? Like every once in a while, different Strokes

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Speaker 1: would do this too. They'd be like, uh, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the episode when it was really serious, there

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Speaker 1: would be no clapping. It'd just be quiet, right, but

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Speaker 1: you could tell the audience was still. There was always

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Speaker 1: somebody moving in their seat or coughing or whatever, so

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Speaker 1: like the audience was just sitting there being silent, which

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Speaker 1: was jarring, and even as a lad, I remember thinking like, wow,

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Speaker 1: you know. Um, And there's a particular w KRP episode

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Speaker 1: that stands out that was like that, the one where

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Speaker 1: they sponsored the Who concert where those people got trampled.

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Speaker 1: All right, did you see that one? Yeah? I remember,

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Speaker 1: I knewhere you were going with that. So so this

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Speaker 1: happened in real life. There was a a WHO concert

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati and it was general admission seating, which apparently

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Speaker 1: UM it away with general admission for a while, open

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Speaker 1: There was like a sound check, and people mistook the

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Speaker 1: sound check for an early start. Was a late sound check,

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Speaker 1: and they thought it was an early start, so people

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Speaker 1: started pushing in. Well they I guess the people who

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Speaker 1: so this massive people just started pushing forward, and um,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can explain what the trigger was, but

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Speaker 1: That's what it's called. It's the study of crowd behavior.

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Speaker 1: People as individuals act differently when they submit to a

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Speaker 1: larger collective group, a quote unquote mob mentality. That's part

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Speaker 1: They're nuts. There's one where like it ends with this

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Speaker 1: one that's the one that's really always been elusive, is rioting.

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Speaker 1: Why riots happened, Why ordinary people behave the way they

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Speaker 1: say it's still important to be unbiased. Like if it's

424
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Speaker 1: let's say Democrats are opposing some Republican Um convention or something,

425
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Speaker 1: the cops aren't supposed to let their biases figure into

426
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Speaker 1: how they react. They're supposed to be unbiased and treat

427
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Speaker 1: them like they're members of the community. And they say,

428
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Speaker 1: while they want to be uh not stormtroopers, you also

429
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: can't appear to be subservient. You still have to like

430
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: give the appearance at least that you're in charge. Right,

431
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: So you gotta walk that fine line between stormtrooping, beat

432
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: you down mode and oh, you're just doing great things

433
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: and I got no opinion on the matters. Yeah, like

434
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: your mad with shorts, it's very nice. Oh yeah, those

435
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: so chuck. If the ground rules are broken, apparently, um,

436
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: and a riot does break out, the cops kind of

437
00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 1: switch modes, right, intimidation mode. Yes, Again, the point and

438
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: all of this is theoretical law enforcement. But the point

439
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: is to get this crowd to disperse. And it's based

440
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: on the philosophy that they're just temporarily out of their

441
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: minds and caught up in this mob mentality, and if

442
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: you confront them with the strong arm of the law,

443
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: they'll come to their senses and want to go home. Right. Yeah,

444
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: And they do that, they'll like, um that they're very

445
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: tight with their precision with their movements, which is intimidating. Apparently,

446
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: will like beat their shields with their batons and stomp

447
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: their feet all at the same time. And all this

448
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: is the idea is to scare people into thinking, I

449
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: don't want to be swallowed up into that square. Right.

450
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Speaker 1: They also pick and choose who they arrest or even

451
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Speaker 1: who they mark with die somebody who is Um. If

452
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: they see somebody engaged in a crime, they're probably going

453
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Speaker 1: to try to arrest them, depending on the severity of

454
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Speaker 1: the crime, or at least they'll probably try to mark

455
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Speaker 1: that person for arrest later. But if they see somebody,

456
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: like if they see a group of people beating down

457
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Speaker 1: one person or shooting poor O Reginald Denny in the leg, Um,

458
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: they're going to go after those people because there's someone

459
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: whose life is in danger. Um. So they kind of

460
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: triage I think in the in the middle of this chaos,

461
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 1: they triaged the you know who they're gonna go after first, right,

462
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: makes sense. Um, so we've talked about um, the rioters, police,

463
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: obviously national guards sometimes trying to contain riots. Right. There

464
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: have been some dark spots in the history of the

465
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Speaker 1: world and continue to be where you get what's called

466
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Speaker 1: the police riot when the cops are the ones that

467
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: are kind of I don't know about instigating in all cases,

468
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: but definitely the aggressors in the situation, they've definitely been

469
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Speaker 1: police rights. The Haymarket riot was a very good example

470
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Speaker 1: of that. Which one was that That was the one

471
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Speaker 1: in Chicago in six that created the first May Day.

472
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there were some striking workers and the cops

473
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Speaker 1: showed up and just started beating the tar out of them. Somebody, Um, no,

474
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the cops showed up. It was very tense. Um.

475
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Speaker 1: Someone threw a bomb at the cops and kill late cops,

476
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: and the cops went nuts and started firing on the crowd,

477
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: killed four people. Um. And ultimately they went after the

478
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: these anarchists who founded this rally and without any evidence

479
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: that tied them to this bombing, and they also think

480
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: it's possibly an agent of provocateur, someone who's paid by

481
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: the cops to agitate the crowd by throwing this bomb.

482
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Speaker 1: Um through the bomb. But without tying these eight guys

483
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: to the bombing, they hung four of them, one of

484
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: them committed suicide and then three were finally pardoned. But

485
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Speaker 1: that's the Haymarket riot. He certain, Well, you can't mention

486
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: Chicago or riot without talking about the nineteen sixty eight

487
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: Democratic National Convention. You know that's a big, very big one. Uh.

488
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Speaker 1: Ten thousand anti war protesters showed up, um because they

489
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: wanted to protest hippies yippies. Actually, well, the people were um.

490
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Speaker 1: Hubert Humphrey was the candidate that was to replace who

491
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Speaker 1: was it, Lyndon Johnson? Yeah, we guess, and Humphrey was

492
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: pro war. Democrats didn't like that, so they went to protest.

493
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: Richard Daily was the mayor. He didn't want any part

494
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Speaker 1: of this stuff. He was pretty angry about it going

495
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: in said things like, no one's going to protest in

496
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: my city. Yeah, built up big barricades around the convention center,

497
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: got a lot of cops and National guardsmen involved. Apparently

498
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: twenty three thousand cops and National guardsmen were on hand,

499
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: and they had a stance on things, and they started

500
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: beating the tar out of people. Yeah, there was a

501
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: have you seen Chicago ten? Now you see it, you'd

502
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: like it? Is it part of the Chicago seven? Eight?

503
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: Then seven? But it's um. You tend to begin with, well,

504
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: the filmmakers include to the two defense lawyers who were

505
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: cited for contempt, and Bobby Seals and then the Chicago seven,

506
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: so which makes ten. But they they it's all animated,

507
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: like Waking Life. It's mostly animated. There's also like archival

508
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: footage and all that's a document entry. But it's really

509
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: really cool. It's based on court transcripts, but that's animated

510
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: to check that out. It's very it's very cool. But um,

511
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: they were saying that people were staying in this park

512
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: in Chicago, Jackson Park, Lincoln Park one of the parks,

513
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: and the cops are like, yeah, stay as long as

514
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: you want until when the park closes at eleven o'clock

515
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: and then after that we're gonna go through and sweep

516
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: the park and beat the tar out of anybody we find.

517
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: And then I think ultimately set off the riots. When

518
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: it got real bad was the cops wouldn't stop doing that. Well,

519
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: it got pretty out of hand to say the least,

520
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: and everyone from Mike Wallace and Dan Rather, two Red

521
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: Cross medics were roughed up. Hunter Thompson, I was he there, Yeah,

522
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was roughed up. They went into a

523
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: hotel where people were staying and dragged people out of

524
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 1: their rooms. It was bad. Well, I know that they

525
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: said they throw so much tear gas on the scene

526
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: that um, Hubert Humphrey was actually bothered in the shower

527
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: in this hotel by the tear cats. So yeah, that

528
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: was a dark spot on our nation's history for sure. Yeah.

529
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: I think Hunter Thompson road in our client like it's

530
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: probably fair and loathing at the Democratic National Convention. Absolutely,

531
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Speaker 1: And uh, I said Detroit earlier, we would be remiss

532
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: if we didn't mention that. In nineteen forty three, this

533
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: was the case of rumors of things that never happened,

534
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: sparking your riot. There was already a race fight going

535
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: on at an amusement park, uh. And then there was

536
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: two rumors one that um, some white men had thrown

537
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: a black woman who was holding a baby into a

538
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: lake right there, Like the throwing a white woman into

539
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: the lake wasn't bad enough right there? And then then

540
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: they're like and she was holding a baby, right They're

541
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: like what? And then white people heard news that a

542
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: mob of black folks had assaulted a white woman. Neither

543
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: of these things even happened. But that was my point earlier.

544
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it happened or not. There were

545
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: racial tensions in Detroit at the time in nineteen forty three,

546
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: and this set it off, and cops apparently we're shooting,

547
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: uh fleeing black people in the back. That was the rumor. Well,

548
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about rumor. Five black folks and nine

549
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: white folks were killed, two million in property damage, and

550
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: yet another black spot on our nation's history when it

551
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: comes to writing. But you know, they say they've got

552
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: it figured out now. Uh. Yeah, it's not just our

553
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: nation either. Right now in Moscow they have race riots

554
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, Tunisia too, there's writing going on as

555
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: we speak. Yeah, that's anti government rioting. Yeah. This guy

556
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: set himself on fire. The twenty six year old student

557
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: who had no had a college degree and dismal prospects

558
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: for work. I think he was like a merchant or

559
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: something in the market and he was being taxed or

560
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: something unfairly. He felt, well, he was trying to sell

561
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: fruit and vegetables and they basically told him he couldn't

562
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: do it at all because he didn't have the proper

563
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: permit and that was the only way he could make money.

564
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Speaker 1: So he set himself on fire. And now through like Facebook.

565
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: The word has spread to right it in Tunisia and

566
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: it's still going on. And apparently Anonymous sent a message

567
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: to the Tunisian government telling him to open up the internet.

568
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: They have it locked down like China does. Yeah, so

569
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: it's happening all over the place. Yes, it is. It's crazy.

570
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Time to be alive, my friend. It is. Well. If

571
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: you want to learn more about how to control a riot,

572
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: if your kids are ever going crazy or something like that,

573
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: you can type in riot control in the handy search

574
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: bar at how stuff works dot com. And since I

575
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: said handy search bar, it's time for Facebook questions. Right,

576
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: what's the jingle? Chuck questions? I don't think it's the same,

577
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: but I'll change it every time. Alright. This is from

578
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: Christian Winger. If money was no object, what job would

579
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: you love to do besides the one that you have? Um?

580
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: I would say two things. One selfishly, I would love

581
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: to be a filmmaker, and then unselfishly selfish well because

582
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm not helping out my fellow man except offering them

583
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: great movies. But if money were no object, I used

584
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: to want to start a camp for behavioral disorder children.

585
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: I take them camping. You mean the camp from Stir Crazy? Yeah, basically,

586
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: or no, was it Stir Crazy? Was it Richard Pryor

587
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: and Gene Walder? Yeah, Gene Walder wasn't in. It was

588
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: the one where he was the bus driver. It was

589
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: just Richard Pryor Silver Streak. Now that was the train

590
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: And I know which one you're talking about, right, What

591
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: would you do first, Chuck? I want to commend you

592
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: on that. That is very sweet. It's not sweet. My

593
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: dad did that. He had outdoor programs for he's a principal,

594
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: you know. So you could do both. You could take

595
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: some of the money you make from being a successful

596
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: filmmaker open up a camp exactly. So there you go,

597
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: both dreams realized. I would write books. Yeah, whatever books.

598
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: I just write a book writing. Yeah, don't forget that

599
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: is what I would be doing that anyway. Maybe, um

600
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: cer lock card. What's the room like that you record

601
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: the show in? It is smallish, It's got some phone

602
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: padding on the walls, gotta there's heavy curtain chains and

603
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: shackles that are bolted to the walls, jains and shackles. Bleak,

604
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: it's bleak. It's depressing. There's a picture of Nikola Tesla

605
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: and a picture of Pablo Picasso without his shirt on

606
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: there is that's the only adornment on the walls. Right,

607
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: that's what I can here, Kerr. You've got some josh, right,

608
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: I do, But I'd like the way that you ask questions. Um,

609
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: you see you've already already done that one, Chuck. Where

610
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: you ever in a frat? That one's from Drew Sorenson

611
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: was not in a frat, nor was I, but I

612
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: did hang out with the pie Kappa Alpha's. Yeah, I

613
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: had a bad frat friends, true, a few uh cigappes

614
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: and figs. I didn't hang out with any of them.

615
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: My dad was a teak. Was he at the University

616
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: of Tilda, Ali Smith? What career did you think you

617
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: would pursue when he graduated? At one point, I wanted

618
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: to be a sportscaster, But I didn't pursue a whole

619
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: lot right after college except bling and stuff like that.

620
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: I traveled after college as well. I lived in a van.

621
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Speaker 1: I think I've probably said before, right. Uh, this one's

622
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: from Matthew Paul Morris. Possibly one of the better questions

623
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: we've gotten, and justice for all or Master of Puppets,

624
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: Master of Puppets. Yeah, me too. Yeah, but that's that's

625
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: a very very close close contest. Yeah, and justice for

626
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: all it's no no slouch. Uh. How about Luke Kelly?

627
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: If you could, if you had to live in a

628
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: world without cheese or movies, which would you choose? I

629
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: would say no cheese because I love movies. But that's tough, man.

630
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: I love cheese. I love cheese too, but I would

631
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: definitely choose cheese over move. That means no pizza. That

632
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: means Mexican food isn't as fun. Chinese foods are good, yeah, really,

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Speaker 1: Sushi you're good. Yeah. Movies, I would want movies still. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's your Dead Island beer? I think i'd say Sierra Nevada?

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows I love that. Maybe Budweiser. I'm really big

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Speaker 1: on um Bells too. Heart at Ale right now, that's good.

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Speaker 1: It is really good. And yeah, they have it on

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Speaker 1: tap at a place near me. It's very nice. Um

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Speaker 1: Let's see, how did we meet? Obviously it was at work,

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Speaker 1: But did you hit it off right away or did

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00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: the friendship grow over time? This is from Tamara Beth Stevens.

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00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: We hit it off and it continues to grow over time.

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Speaker 1: Like any good friendship, I would say that too. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it evolves and changes and makes us happy. It's nice.

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00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: From Kim Rigden Briskow. Do you do your wife girlfriend

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Speaker 1: slash girlfriend? Mind if you mentioned her on the podcast? Um,

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Speaker 1: Emily loves it because I'm always plugging her company. You

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Speaker 1: mean's fine with it too, Okay. Favorite childhood toy mine

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Speaker 1: definitely was my um Evil Kine Evil crank up motorcycle

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Speaker 1: because I that was I would jump him through like

651
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: flaming coat hangar loops that we would set on fire,

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Speaker 1: which by the way, you should never ever do, and

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Speaker 1: we would jump him over the creek and all kinds

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Speaker 1: of stuff. We would put him in peril. It was

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Speaker 1: always fun. Uh wow, that is fun. What about you? Gee? Um,

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Speaker 1: I would have to say I had. I had this

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00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: um plastic Navone Castle Nava remember forced ten from Navone? Okay,

658
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Speaker 1: So I had that and it had little green army

659
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Speaker 1: guys or whatever. And now I looked back, I realized

660
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: it was just like some generic knockoff toys. But I

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Speaker 1: love that thing. And I also I think I did

662
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Speaker 1: have a thing for castles, because I also loved my

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Speaker 1: Castle Gray School he Man play set he certainly did.

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Speaker 1: And then my sitting spam was pretty awesome too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I had I wanted a green machine, but I was

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Speaker 1: stuck with a big wheel. I don't remember the green machine.

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Speaker 1: It was a more complex big wheel. That was. It

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Speaker 1: was pretty tough and rich kids got that that I was.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna worked up, all right. I've got one

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Speaker 1: more Josh from Tim Lind's a I've always wondered how

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Speaker 1: much coffee do you both drink in a typical work day.

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Speaker 1: I drink in the wintertime, maybe a couple of cups

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Speaker 1: a week. I'm not a huge coffee guy. I like

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Speaker 1: it in the winter to warm me up. Sometimes it

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Speaker 1: jacks me up, which is nice. But I'm not coffee guy.

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Speaker 1: But I've got to hear your answer. Honestly, in a

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Speaker 1: day and day wintertime, it definitely steps up a little

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Speaker 1: from me. I don't know if I can quantify it.

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Speaker 1: It's more like I drink coffee until I can't breathe.

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Speaker 1: I'm seriously probably eight to ten cups in a day,

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Speaker 1: hate the tin cups, maybe more all right, of regular

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Speaker 1: because we don't have decap in the office. I was

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Speaker 1: drinking the calf here there and now there's no decaf,

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Speaker 1: so it's all regular. I don't I think that for

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: a big coffee person. That's about right. Eight to tin cups.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of coffee, but it's way too much coffee. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: who might judge? Yeah, keep drinking it, thanks man. A

688
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: lot worse things you could be doing. Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: I could be shooting junk or something eight to ten

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Speaker 1: times a day. Don't want to do that. All right.

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Speaker 1: That's it for Facebook questions. Thank you for those are

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Speaker 1: have an email address too. Can you believe it? Uh?

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