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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Scott Channon, Hour two Sean Hannity Show,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and nine to four one, Shawn our number

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Speaker 1: if you want to be a part of the program.

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Speaker 1: Closing arguments in the Sham Trump Trial of New York.

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Speaker 1: The defense the way it works in New York, the

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Speaker 1: defense goes first, prosecution gets the last word. And the

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Speaker 1: prosecution just said before the break that they are only

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Speaker 1: one third of the way through. They're closing arguments. Observers

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Speaker 1: in the courtroom texting me that they're yawning and exhausted,

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Speaker 1: even though they're being told that they better expect to

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Speaker 1: stay late tonight. One third of the way through, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that means about four more hours that they will have

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Speaker 1: to sit there, which brings us to like eight pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Unreal if that's what the case is going to be anyway,

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Speaker 1: So much going on, the most shocking part of the

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Speaker 1: prosecutions closing arguments have been the insane arguments they have

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Speaker 1: made to rehabilitate Michael Kohane and even Stormy Daniels in

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Speaker 1: this case. I mean a spectacular moment. I mean the

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Speaker 1: fact that they feel the need to do this and

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Speaker 1: the fact that well, you can't blame Michael Cohen for

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Speaker 1: stealing from Donald Trump, and maybe that's called grand larceny.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they would call I legally, you know,

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Speaker 1: because or you can't blame him for selling merchandise, you know,

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Speaker 1: because he has only this connection to sell what a

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Speaker 1: guy that's made for and I have million dollars from

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Speaker 1: podcast two books and I guess gifts that are given

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Speaker 1: to him, if that's even included. And then of course

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Speaker 1: it even goes a step further. You know, they're offering

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Speaker 1: excuses for his lying. Let's see to the previous courts, Congress,

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Speaker 1: his family. You know, he's the one that said repeatedly

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Speaker 1: to the media based on his own testimony, that he

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Speaker 1: alone made this decision without Trump's knowledge. Then, of course

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Speaker 1: the lie that was caught in that the that the

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Speaker 1: defense pointed out the minute in thirty six I can

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Speaker 1: call at a time when text messages showed that he

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Speaker 1: was calling Keith Schiller at President Trump's defense, I guess

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Speaker 1: time and then claims, oh, yeah, well, no, I talked

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Speaker 1: to Schiller, and then I talked to Trump about the

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Speaker 1: whole stormy Daniels thing and the week Priory said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: they talked extensively about it. That was the phone call

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Speaker 1: he referred to. So we got all of that done

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Speaker 1: in a minute, in thirty six seconds. Pretty spectacular achievement

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Speaker 1: if he asked me, and not one that's believable anyway,

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Speaker 1: Greg Jarrett, Fox News legal analyst, best selling author. Roger Severino,

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Speaker 1: vice president Domestic Policy at Heritage, Trump's former director of

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Speaker 1: the Office of Civil Rights and also a former Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice civil rights attorney. Welcome both of you to

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Speaker 1: the courtroom. Greg, I begin with you pretty How does

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Speaker 1: the prosecution just dismiss away their star witness in this case?

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Speaker 1: And just you know, it's understandable that he you know

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Speaker 1: that he took this money. It's it's understandable that he lied.

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Speaker 1: Not a problem. Uh Okay? Is the need so great?

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Speaker 1: I would have thought they'd avoid Cane like the plague,

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Speaker 1: But they're trying to rehabilitate him, which is that that

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Speaker 1: is impossible. I was told some jurors rolled their eyes

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Speaker 1: when they heard it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me. Prosecutor Joshua Steinnglass tried,

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Speaker 2: I think in vain to rehabilitate. The uber discredited Michael

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Speaker 2: Cohen as a fool's Erron Sean, there are too many

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Speaker 2: lies to rationalize, too many sleazy maneuvers to try to

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Speaker 2: cleanse prosecutors tainting themselves by aligning with a notorious grifter

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Speaker 2: and connartists. They vouched for a convicted perjurer. And the

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Speaker 2: best that Steinnglass could say about Michael Cohen is, and

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Speaker 2: I'm quoting here, he doesn't lie all the time.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't lie all the time. And then he made

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Speaker 1: the other spectacular statement, you know that, Well, if Trump

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Speaker 1: because he had already been on record saying just the

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Speaker 1: Coan felt that Trump did him dirty. Oh, is that

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Speaker 1: an excuse to steal what fifty sixty thousand dollars whatever

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's an absurd explanation. And I do

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Speaker 2: think the defense did a good job taking direct aim

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Speaker 2: government lawyers, and judges. Cohen sudden and forced a mission

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Speaker 2: he also lied to the very prosecutors who called him

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Speaker 2: is the gloat. He is the greatest liar of all time,

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Speaker 1: Will resonate, that will be remembered, and that obviously that's stung.

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Speaker 1: Could you think of any other rational reason why the

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Speaker 1: in which they're just basically you know, he's understandably angry

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Speaker 1: that you know, he says that Trump, Trump did him dirty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's their excuse. Then he tried to

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Speaker 1: in that this was a Trump's direction. The defense objected,

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Speaker 2: And it's it is incomprehensible, Sean, that Bragg would rely

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Speaker 2: on a chronic liar. But the truth is Bragg had

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Speaker 2: nothing else. The DA knew his star witness would lie

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Speaker 2: even more when he slithered to the witness stand, and

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Speaker 2: prosecutors wanted him to lie to me that supporting perjury.

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Speaker 2: Bragg and his acolytes could care less. In their book,

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Speaker 2: honesty is for chumps. All they care about, Sean, is

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Speaker 2: contorting the law, mangling the evidence to convict an innocent

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Speaker 1: And then the conspiracy Roger Severino, Old Cohne and Donald

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Speaker 3: Him, yeah, that's right. That is simply unbelievable. I think

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Speaker 3: that the prosecution. They have to try to rehabilitate Cohen

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Speaker 3: because that's all they got. He is their star witness.

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Speaker 3: He's the only one who has said anything that is

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Speaker 3: pedals of his books Disloyal and Revenge, he cannot be trusted.

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Speaker 3: He's out to get Trump, and hopefully the jury is

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Speaker 3: going to be able to see right through it. Unless

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Speaker 3: he's the world's fastest talker. You cannot say in ninety

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Speaker 3: ninety six seconds. Here's one thing. He's a liar. He's

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Speaker 3: a convicted liar. The jury knows that. But it's quite

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Speaker 3: another thing when he lied to the jurors' faces, and

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Speaker 3: the defense was masterful when the exposed Cohen and showed

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Speaker 3: it was obvious he was lying, and he said, well,

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Speaker 3: I believe I spoke to him, and the different said, no,

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Speaker 3: And when you're caught in a lie in front of

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Speaker 3: going to see right through it and say that their

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Speaker 3: star witness. It all depends on Cohen. Cohan cannot be believed.

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Speaker 3: He's lied habitually. He lied on the stand. He's lying now.

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Speaker 1: I think you pointed out, Greg, the twelve occasions that

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Speaker 1: doubtless that was brought up, the admission that he benefits

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Speaker 1: Oh I feel, by the way, Greg, you did me dirty.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to rob tens of thousands of dollars

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Speaker 1: before a jury you just really can't predict. Greg Jarrett,

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Speaker 1: I do not think this day has gone particularly well

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Speaker 1: for the prosecution. I think they have made things dramatically worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you make a great point. And this

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Speaker 2: trial did did DA offer any plausible evidence that Trump

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Speaker 2: intended to defraud anyone. Instead, prosecutors invented this chimera. It's

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Speaker 2: an imaginary crime that exists nowhere in the world law,

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Speaker 2: and in a normal case Shawan, with a neutral jury,

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Speaker 2: the perversity of that shameful prosecutorial tactic would be obvious

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Speaker 2: of incriminating facts. Any impartial jury would have little trouble

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Speaker 2: never have gotten as far. Honest prosecutors would never have

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Speaker 1: But it's still a New York jury. Roger Severe know

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not just the jury to worry about, it's

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Speaker 3: the judge. The judges are already ruled that the jury

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Speaker 3: does not have to be unanimous as to what the

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Speaker 3: secondary crime was. Right, So here's the order of operations.

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Speaker 3: They have to prove that Trump ordered Cohen to pay

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Speaker 3: quote falsified, and this was all done to further some

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Speaker 3: not have to agree that's what that crime was. Is

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Speaker 3: it campaign finance violations? Is it state law? Is it

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Speaker 3: the judge will allow that. I mean this, if he

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Speaker 3: gets convicted, that's going to be right for appeal. You

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Speaker 3: guilty of something, but we can't agree on what it is.

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Speaker 3: Let's convict him anyway. That's just a kangaroo core and

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Speaker 3: I'm hopeful that if it does get convicted, it could

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Speaker 4: Well, let's get your take, Greg Jarrett, in his zeal

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Speaker 4: to wrongfully convict Mershan has torn up a fundamental right, as.

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Speaker 2: Roger points out, that's embedded in constitutional principles. The US

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court has said that unanimity and jury verdicts is

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Speaker 2: required under the sixth and seventh Amendment. That requirement extends

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Speaker 2: to all issues, said the High Court. So to find

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Speaker 2: someone guilty, jurors must always agree without dissent, on every

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Speaker 2: necessary element of the purported crime. That's an indispensable feature

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Speaker 2: thanks to Judge Marshon. Alvin Bragg and Mershon together have

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Speaker 1: the courtroom. Oh Steinlass says, defendant is a savvy businessman.

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Speaker 1: welcome back. How are you you watching this this sham

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Speaker 5: I've been watching it from unfortunately, this painful fart. It's

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Speaker 1: But Leo, one of those attorneys is a DEI attorney.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you right now, Sean, there's something about

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Speaker 1: Look at the testimony, in Cone's own words, that he

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Speaker 2: Well, jurors, I hope will trust nothing he has to

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Speaker 1: Or get a fair trial in Fulton County, Georgia. I

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Speaker 1: think I've been more than proven correct here. You have

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Speaker 1: a Biden donor judge, you have the issue of the daughter.

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Speaker 1: You have a DA that ran on a get Trump platform.

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Speaker 1: You know, we learned from Bob Costello exculpatory information that

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Speaker 1: he specifically gave the DA was withheld from the indicting

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Speaker 1: grand jury. The judge's complete meltdown in actions versus Costello

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Speaker 1: or not letting the former FEC chair actually explain the

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Speaker 1: law and how it's not applicable here, which is why

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Speaker 1: the FBC, the SDN, Y, the DOJ, and every other

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction wouldn't go near this, uh, and Bragg's predecessor wouldn't

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Speaker 1: go near. Bragg himself wanted nothing to do with it

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Speaker 1: until he was embarrassed. A misdemeanor of statute of limitations,

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Speaker 1: long past novel legal theory that allows a you know,

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Speaker 1: a city juris jurisdiction to become what an upgraded federal

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Speaker 1: elections felony. The star witness admitted convicted liar, now thief.

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Speaker 1: NDA's not illegal, catch and kill not illegal. Stormy is

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Speaker 1: allowed to draw, you know, drone on about salacious innuendo.

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Speaker 1: It's all irrelevant, immaterial. You know, Costello can't even impeach

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Speaker 1: their star witness. We can't get expert legal testimony. You know,

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Speaker 1: perhaps the greatest line of this trial so far as

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Speaker 1: the gloat line, the greatest liar of all time, Michael Cohene,

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Speaker 1: the star witness. No wonder they're spending all this time

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Speaker 1: trying to rehabilitate him.

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Speaker 4: Greg, Oh, you're right.

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Speaker 2: And what Bragg has done in using Cohen and others,

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Speaker 2: is he's weaponizing statute. It's not because the law has

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Speaker 2: been broken, but because the accused poses a political threat.

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Speaker 2: The real threat is unscrupulous prosecutors like Alvin Bragg. He

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Speaker 2: has forsaken his duty to see that justice is done.

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Speaker 2: And remember, prosecutors are armed with immense powers. In Brag,

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Speaker 2: he's become a law unto himself. He created the illusion

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Speaker 2: of wrongdoing to an null Donald Trump in an end

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Speaker 2: that justifies any means. And I'm reminded of the great

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court Justice Lewis Brandeis who said the greatest dangerous

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Speaker 2: to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal

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Speaker 2: he was talking about, and he feared people like Alvin

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Speaker 2: Bragg under color of law. Bragg seeks to oppress, He

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Speaker 2: seeks to imprison an innocent person for political reasons. And

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Speaker 2: where the law ends, tyranny begins. And Alvin Bragg, together

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Speaker 2: with Mershon, are tyrants. They have misused and abused our

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Speaker 2: legal system for all the wrong reasons. It is unjustifiable,

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Speaker 2: it is shameful, and they must be roundly condemned.

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Speaker 1: What's your take, Leo.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you, Jean, this is a wake up call.

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Speaker 5: And I just think of what Trump said to every

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Speaker 5: and every rally. If they can do it to him,

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Speaker 5: they can do it to every one of us on

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Speaker 5: this radio program to all your listeners, this is a

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Speaker 5: key point in our legal system, because not only have

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Speaker 5: the Democrats hijacked this New York courtroom, they hijacked the

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Speaker 5: entire legal system in New York and other democratic towns.

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Speaker 5: And what is the only safeguard right now short of

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Speaker 5: this November twenty four Trump election is the Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: and some judges that still believe in the rule of law.

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Speaker 5: I e. Eileen Cannon, who told Jack Smith go where

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Speaker 5: it doesn't shine with that requested gag order. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you the Democrats will go back into their

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Speaker 5: little cupyhole they say we got to get the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court because that is the saving grace of our rule

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Speaker 5: law right now, and that is what's protecting Trump in

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Speaker 5: every America in this country right now.

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Speaker 1: It's really an unbelievable time. What do you make of

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Speaker 1: the fact I'm being told by people in the courtroom

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Speaker 1: that the jury is bored, that they did not seeing

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Speaker 1: anyone taking any notes anymore. It seems like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I would interpret that as Okay, we've heard enough, can

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Speaker 1: you please move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a sophomoric mistake by prosecutor Stenglass. Less

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Speaker 2: is more, And you know any trial attorney has experienced

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Speaker 2: has learned that the hard way. You cannot seek to

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Speaker 2: replicate the entire case. You have to pick and choose.

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Speaker 2: You have to synthesize it to its bare essence and

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Speaker 2: hit the high points. Don't try to hit every point

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Speaker 2: because you will alienate the jurors. And minute by minute,

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Speaker 2: hour by hour, as it goes on, you're just gonna

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Speaker 2: piss them off to use plain language and they'll hold

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Speaker 2: it against you. And you know, if they're on the fence,

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Speaker 2: that can make the difference.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask the unfair question, and it's

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Speaker 1: totally completely unfair one not in the courtroom. But I've

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Speaker 1: said from the beginning, regardless of the outcome here, I

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Speaker 1: don't think Trump got a fair trial. So here's my question.

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Speaker 1: How does this end? LEO will start with you.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I think I'll be very clear in my opinion.

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Speaker 5: I think at the very at the worst scenario for Trump,

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Speaker 5: it's a hum jury. That's the worst. I do not

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Speaker 5: see a guilty verdict. And I think there's an outside

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Speaker 5: chance that he could be acquitted all these charges, but

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Speaker 5: I would say hung jury.

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Speaker 1: I don't see any chance of acquittal, just based on

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Speaker 1: the venue and observations told to me by people in

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Speaker 1: the courtroom about the jurors. But I do see a

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Speaker 1: chance of a hung jury. And I but I have

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Speaker 1: to hold out. This is New York, Greg. I would prepare.

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Speaker 1: I would tell everyone prepare for the worst.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, you and I were discussing this before,

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Speaker 2: and I said, guessing at the outcome, he is a feckless,

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Speaker 2: stupid endeavor, especially in a crooked case.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I said it was an unfair question.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say my question was fair. I said it

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Speaker 1: was unfair.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I'll take the bait and I

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Speaker 2: my best estimate is a hung jury.

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Speaker 1: You know what, A hung jury in New York City

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Speaker 1: is a massive win in my view. I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're both right. I really appreciate both of you, Greg,

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Speaker 1: Jarrett Leo two point on Turell, thank you both. Eight

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