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Speaker 1: goes to San Francisco. Good move there, But this is

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Speaker 1: what I want to get to here. Um Andrew Norwell,

428
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Speaker 1: top guard on the market, goes to Jacksonville five years,

429
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Speaker 1: sixty six point five. That's thirty million guaranteed. I believe

430
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Speaker 1: that makes him the highest paid guard in the league.

431
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Speaker 1: The highest paid center in the league, I believe is

432
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Speaker 1: lender right with Jacksonville paid last year. Jacksonville has invested

433
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Speaker 1: a lot in the trenches and what I mean a lot.

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Speaker 1: I went and looked at this, Uh, this is a

435
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Speaker 1: cool it's a cool website, spot track. That's great. That's

436
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Speaker 1: where get the numbers from. It's great. The numbers are fantastic.

437
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Speaker 1: So this is off last year. I thought this was fascinating.

438
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Speaker 1: Last year, Philly four with in the league in terms

439
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Speaker 1: of the money they allocated to the offensive line um

440
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Speaker 1: and the percentage of the cap, which was fifteen point

441
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Speaker 1: eight five on the defensive line. Philly was fifth in

442
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Speaker 1: the money they allocated towards the cap on the defensive line,

443
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Speaker 1: So offensive line fourth, defensive line five Jacksonville, I feel

444
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Speaker 1: obviously won the whole thing. Jacksonville was right there. Jacksonville

445
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Speaker 1: last year was sixth and old line spending at thirteen

446
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Speaker 1: of their cap. D line spending numero oh No, twenty

447
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 1: five point seven six percent of the cap. They spent

448
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Speaker 1: towards the defensive line. So to me, when you look

449
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Speaker 1: at the talented young teams in the a f C,

450
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Speaker 1: the most talented young team in the a f C,

451
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Speaker 1: I would I would say is Jacksonville. Would you agree

452
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Speaker 1: with me on that? Philadelphia? I think you make a

453
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Speaker 1: strong case the most talented team in the NFC coming

454
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Speaker 1: off of the Super Bowl. Both of them. Look at

455
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Speaker 1: the investment they're making up front. You know where they

456
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Speaker 1: are in wide receivers. I believe it's twenty eight and

457
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Speaker 1: twenty nine in the league in terms of their investment

458
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Speaker 1: at that position. You know who's number one? Green Bay

459
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Speaker 1: is like ten million more than everybody else in the

460
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Speaker 1: league at the wide receiver position. How's that working out?

461
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Speaker 1: Once again, I told you I just read the notebook.

462
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Speaker 1: We know, but we talked about the wide receivers and

463
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Speaker 1: investing in those. Okay, I got here, But we have

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Speaker 1: Here's what we have though, investing in the trenches. We've

465
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Speaker 1: test about it, like, I mean, it's gotten crazy. But oh,

466
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna play to your string because

467
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Speaker 1: I know you watch all those shows flipping houses. I

468
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Speaker 1: love them. So when you start with Joanna Games, when

469
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Speaker 1: when when you started building a house? What did you

470
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Speaker 1: start with? The foundation? The foundation? So we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the trenches build the question, growned up foundation, the hog

472
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Speaker 1: Molly's of the foundation. You gotta go with the big guys.

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Speaker 1: The big guys kind of set the table million for

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Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins. I'm just saying I just did it. I

475
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Speaker 1: mean it's like, what is that? What is that? Is

476
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Speaker 1: that a window? I don't know, like a door I

477
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Speaker 1: don't know. The foundation called Beach and those guys and

478
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Speaker 1: figure out what they're doing. They feel like it's all

479
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: about Pat Majole, so they don't throw it all over

480
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Speaker 1: the yard. I do think though, with Bordles getting back

481
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Speaker 1: to to that move there with Nooral, it's interesting they

482
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Speaker 1: let Allen Robinson at the receiver position walk out the door.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's something to the fact of, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we just continue to upgrade the offense, which was

485
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Speaker 1: I think they led the league in rushing last year,

486
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Speaker 1: you throw another piece up front. I guess what, Blake.

487
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: When you do have to throw, you're gonna see nothing

488
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Speaker 1: but single high coverage. They don't want to throw. It

489
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Speaker 1: makes the like whatever you have a receiver. It makes

490
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Speaker 1: playing quarterbacks so much easier. It does when you're sitting

491
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Speaker 1: there at third and one and third and two all

492
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Speaker 1: the game long, and you can go play action, you

493
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: can boot him, you can do whatever you want with him.

494
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Speaker 1: I think so some people look at it and say, Okay,

495
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Speaker 1: I know he didn't play last year, but that's a

496
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Speaker 1: talented dude. Now, Robinson, you let walk out. They took

497
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Speaker 1: that money and they put it back in the offensive line,

498
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Speaker 1: and I think in the long run that might end

499
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Speaker 1: up even helping him more. Oh, I think it's gonna

500
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Speaker 1: help him a lot more. I think when you look

501
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Speaker 1: at the way football is played, you have to be physical.

502
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Speaker 1: You talked about the Philadelphia Eagles and then in Jacksonville Jaguars.

503
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Speaker 1: You look at the teams that are traditionally they're they're

504
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Speaker 1: able to run the football when they want to run it,

505
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Speaker 1: and then they can stop people without having two blitz

506
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Speaker 1: and so that is your d line in your old

507
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Speaker 1: line playing major roles. And so if you continue to

508
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Speaker 1: build it like that and don't get caught up in

509
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Speaker 1: playing fantasy football where we're gonna throw at fifty arms

510
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Speaker 1: and put up all these numbers, you win games. And

511
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: so that's what it comes down to. It's still a

512
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Speaker 1: physical game, is still a context sport. These guys now

513
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Speaker 1: can dictate the terms, and I think in Philly they

514
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Speaker 1: haven't even scratched the surface on what they could do offensively,

515
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Speaker 1: because when they get the quarterback all the way back

516
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Speaker 1: and they continue to upgrade and figure out who they're

517
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Speaker 1: running back is going to be. I think they have

518
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Speaker 1: the ability to whoop you running or having Carson Wins

519
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Speaker 1: do it. And I think that's the scary thing, no question,

520
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Speaker 1: all right, that that was fun free agent free agent

521
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Speaker 1: frenzy discussion. How much just Sammy Watkins getta get? I

522
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Speaker 1: believe it was sixteen millions? Okay, that's kind of off

523
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Speaker 1: sets you a little bit. No, I actually actually saying

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Speaker 1: I'm happy. I'm happy for stam though I love I

525
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Speaker 1: love them. He's not my god nic money drop. We

526
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Speaker 1: got the money drop. No, he was. He was when

527
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Speaker 1: he coming into the draft. Right now, since then that

528
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Speaker 1: same draft class, we've seen Mike Evans, We've seen Odell

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Speaker 1: Beckham Jr. We've seen some dudes kind of mm hmm,

530
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Speaker 1: move up a little bit. It's like him a while.

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Speaker 1: A situations of different because that was kind of on

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Speaker 1: the move. He didn't get a fool. He needs to

533
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Speaker 1: get healthy too. I think your ankle stuff, he's okay,

534
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Speaker 1: he said, he'll be fine. I'm just busting your chops.

535
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Speaker 1: But I do think it's I was a little bit

536
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Speaker 1: surprised just how big the number was. Good for him,

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Speaker 1: you can get it, go get it. I don't forgret

538
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Speaker 1: anybody their money. Well here, here's when you really look

539
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Speaker 1: at the market. There are only two dudes on the

540
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: market is Robinson and him. They were just two jims.

541
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Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry was already gone. So if you were a

542
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Speaker 1: team in need of a wide out, and obviously you

543
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Speaker 1: Kna City was in need of a wide out, they

544
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Speaker 1: swapped out Albert Wilson. He got three for twenty four

545
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Speaker 1: Miami and they brought in Sammy Watkins. Look, they do

546
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Speaker 1: have a lot of skills, so let's just talk about that.

547
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Speaker 1: So if I was gonna have to pay Albert Wilson

548
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Speaker 1: eight million dollars a year. You know many years here

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Speaker 1: you have five hundred, okay, but my man had sixty catches? Yeah,

550
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Speaker 1: how many? How many yards on thirty nine? Thirty nine?

551
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Speaker 1: But that's what that's the going rate, Sammy, what's Samy

552
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Speaker 1: have six hundred, but my man had almost double the catches?

553
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Speaker 1: Eight million? Round up? Eight million? Up, you're not rounding up.

554
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Speaker 1: And let's get to these gm and we got some

555
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Speaker 1: soud from the gms that we chatted with at the combine.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's roll those back here with vice president General

557
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Speaker 1: manager of the Pittsburgh still is Kevin Covert. You have

558
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, who has played at a high

559
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Speaker 1: level for a long time, but he's a little older

560
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Speaker 1: as a front office executive, how do you balance making

561
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Speaker 1: sure he has what he needs to be successful while

562
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Speaker 1: also looking towards the future and maybe finding a successor

563
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Speaker 1: at the position? Yeah, I mean quarterback, as you well know,

564
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Speaker 1: is the most important position. And we've been very fortunate

565
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Speaker 1: for the good majority of my time in Pittsburgh to

566
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Speaker 1: have a franchise quarterback. A quarterback it's going to be

567
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Speaker 1: a Hall of famer, but you have to always be

568
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Speaker 1: securing the franchises you move forward as you look at

569
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Speaker 1: six US for franchises, when they've stayed up here, they've

570
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: been good at the quarterback position. So that challenge is

571
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: always there. Do you add a player of another position

572
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Speaker 1: or you had a quarterback because your quarterback maybe has three,

573
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Speaker 1: four or five years left. Um, that's something we're always measuring.

574
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Speaker 1: We always try to add a young one in the mix.

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Speaker 1: A few years ago we added Landry Jones and he's

576
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Speaker 1: turned into a nice number two. Last year we added

577
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Speaker 1: Joshua Dobbs into the mix, and josh made progress in

578
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Speaker 1: the preseason. He didn't get to play, fortunately he didn't

579
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Speaker 1: get to play during the season, but he'll continue to develop.

580
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Speaker 1: So we always want to have someone, a younger player

581
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Speaker 1: in the position to continue to develop and if the

582
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: need arises, then hopefully they'll be ready. But we're never

583
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Speaker 1: going to be adverse to adding to that position another position.

584
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Speaker 1: You guys have been successful the drafting wide receivers. Well,

585
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: what's unique about the Pittsburghs. You've been able to draft

586
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Speaker 1: guys outside of the first round. What has been the

587
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: key to finding so many guys that can be productive

588
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: there weren't first round pick. That I always go back

589
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Speaker 1: to it, it's the player himself. I mean when we

590
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Speaker 1: took and Antonio Brown in the sixth round. Honestly, we

591
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: had Antonio and Emmanuel Sanders, who we took in the

592
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: third round, graded equally. Emanuel was probably a little bit

593
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: more predictable because he was a senior. He had played

594
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Speaker 1: in the East West. We knew more about Emmanuel than

595
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: we did Antonio as an underclassman, so we took a manual.

596
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: But in the sixth round was so obvious that Antonio

597
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,239
Speaker 1: needed to be picked. We took him, and when he

598
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: came in he just exceeded every expectation we could have

599
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: had for him because of the way he worked and

600
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Speaker 1: because of the way he wanted to be great. Alright,

601
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: excited to be joined by Chargers general manager Tom Talasco. Tom, Look,

602
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: this is this is now. You've got some experience in

603
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: this room. And in the year six did last year

604
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: because of the move of the franchise that almost feel

605
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: like a new beginning, even even year five. Last year, yes,

606
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Speaker 1: I mean, last year was a unique twelve months. And uh,

607
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it really brought our organization closer together.

608
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: It was you know, we went through moving families, moving

609
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: our building, moving players. There was a lot of work. Um.

610
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: The supports actor that tremendous job. Like everybody had their

611
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: roles in different departments as far as getting our team

612
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: moved up there. And uh, you know, we all kind

613
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: of hate to say it, people put our families on

614
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: the on the back burner and we get to get

615
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: the team going, get our families ready. Um. But by

616
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: the time of players came in for a training camp,

617
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: it was seamless and some things that we thought maybe

618
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: a distraction never worked out like that and it was

619
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Speaker 1: really the organization really getting together and doing that all together.

620
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: I know everybody's always talking about the quarterback and Philip

621
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Rivers and how much longer does he want to do this?

622
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Speaker 1: But just from an enthusiasm standpoint and an excitement for

623
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Speaker 1: what he does, is this the same Philip Rivers that

624
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: that you've always known, the same one since I've I've

625
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: arrived there. Uh. He comes into every day with passion, preparation,

626
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: loves being around the guys, and he's a coach. His

627
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: son acts like it, you know, loves the game, and

628
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: uh that's the thing. And how long he plays, it's

629
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Speaker 1: it's up to him. Um, he's playing at a high level.

630
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Speaker 1: He loves being around the players. Um. You know every

631
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: day he's got the excitement and our guys feed off that,

632
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: especially the young players. When they see how hard that

633
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: quarterback works and how long he's been the lead, how

634
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: much he prepares, their first thought is I have to

635
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: work as hard as he does. Look, he's our best

636
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: player here. John Robinson, general manager the Tennessee Titans. John,

637
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: you went through a head coaching search for the first

638
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: time in your tenure. UM. I think it's important to

639
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: know what courts race do you look for in the

640
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: lead of a franchise. Yeah, definitely his leadership skills. UM,

641
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: A tough minded approach to the game. UM. A coach

642
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: with a with a team first attitude who's going to

643
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: try to put all the players in the best position

644
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: to maximize Uh their skill sets. Um. We talked to

645
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: three really good candidates and and Mike Rabel coach Rapes,

646
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: he stood out of the three candidates and was just

647
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: the right fit for our football team. Um. The partnership

648
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: between head coach and general manager is important in this business. UM.

649
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: How important is it doing this process? The draft process

650
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: that you guys see players kind of through the same vision. Yeah,

651
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that relationship it's paramount. It's

652
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: critical for the success of a football aim to have

653
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: a clear, unified vision. Uh. Not that we're going to

654
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: agree on every player, but um, players that we see

655
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. Uh, we watched together and come

656
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: to a consensus. Um, come to a spot where we

657
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: feel good about the players fit for our football team

658
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: and when we're gonna acquire him. Fortunately for you guys,

659
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: you have a talented quarterback and Marcus Mario a young

660
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: startist on the rise. But when you're building a team,

661
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: how do you take his talents in mind to put

662
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: him in the best position to elevate your franchise. Well,

663
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: when we first got there, one of the one of

664
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: the big things was protecting him. I think he had

665
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: gotten hit or sacked more than any quarterback in the league.

666
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: So we set out to bolster the offensive line. We

667
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: had Taylor the one there, so getting the big guys

668
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: in place up front so that he can stand back there.

669
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: He can't throw the ball off he's laying on his back, Um,

670
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: and then putting, you know, putting some weapons you know, offensively,

671
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: we acquired Derrick Henry in the draft, um, and then

672
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: we drafted some weapons at receiver for him, So trying

673
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: to piece around him, um the offensive, you know, skill

674
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: players to make him successful. Here with Arizona Cardinals general

675
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: manager Steve Kime, Steve, how you doing? Man? Doing good?

676
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: I gotta start off this is kind of an off

677
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: season of change for the organization this year. We'll get

678
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: to the new guys coming in, but let's first talk

679
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: about the challenge you have of replacing a guy like

680
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: the in Bruce Arians. Well, I mean, there's no doubt

681
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: that that coach had certainly established a culture in Arizona

682
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: and and and that's what made the process, you know,

683
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: challenging as you went out and look for a new

684
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: head coach. But the one thing that Michael bid want

685
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I discussed throughout that process was it wasn't about finding

686
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: the best offensive coordinator, the best defensive coordinator, you know,

687
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: it was really about finding the best leader. And in

688
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: my opinion, there's no doubt that that Steve will certainly

689
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: fit that mold. All right, now, go to the quarterback position.

690
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer been a kind of a pillar for your franchise.

691
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: For for several years now he decides to move on.

692
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: What's the challenges in place trying to find somebody to

693
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: take that that role? Well, and I think going into

694
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: this offseason, that's one of the questions that everybody has

695
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: on their mind. And you know, the way I look

696
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: at it is it's a it's an empty canvas, and

697
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: it's it's exciting because now all of a sudden, we

698
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: can determine who our franchise quarterback is going to be,

699
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: whether it's through free agency, the draft, or even a trade.

700
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: And to me, um, that's exciting and and the concept

701
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: of building around that that player, Um, you know, Carson

702
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, was a great asset to our organization for

703
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: five years, had a great career for us, and and

704
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: and one a lot of football games. But at the

705
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: end of the day, we all know that that position

706
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: is what really determines success at the end of the day.

707
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: So it's a challenging road ahead when you look at

708
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: this crop in general, uh, this draft group two, what

709
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: jumps out to you? You know, I I just think that, um,

710
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: whether it's offensive lineman, whether you know, last night we

711
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: interviewed quite a few of those guys and they were

712
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: really impressive. And the thing that that continues to um

713
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: excite me is when you get to know these guys

714
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: as people. There's fascinating stories, there's a reason for their success,

715
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: and UM, you know, I'm getting more and more impressed

716
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: over the years with these guys. Uh, their knowledge of

717
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: the game. You know how vast it is when you

718
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: look at an offensive lineman and he unders understands what

719
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: the scam protection is from a running back or what

720
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: a slot receivers looking at from a coverage standpoint. And Uh,

721
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: to me, I think it's just that part of it's

722
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: come a long way, all right, Buck. Look, it was

723
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: fun to get a chance to visit those guys every

724
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: year at the Combine, get a chance to kind of

725
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: take the pulse a little bit with some of these gms.

726
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: I always enjoy those conversations. Hey, I love I love

727
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: these guy the guys that the collection. With the guys

728
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: that we talked to, I learned a lot And I

729
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: think that's the big thing for me, not only interviewing

730
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: these guys, having these conversations with friends, but sometime learning

731
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: how they go about their business. This was a fantastic

732
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: execa exercise for us to execute at the combine. The

733
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: always enjoyed those conversations. Another conversation I enjoyed recently had

734
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with Jordan Palmer. That's that

735
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: name sounds familiar. It should, Carson Palmer's brother. Uh, Jordan

736
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: played in the league for for a long time. Seven years,

737
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 1: seven years, seven years, seven years. You two. I went

738
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: down there, Scott, I did too. I did too. I Uh. Look,

739
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: we can share notes on that sometime too. But Jordan's

740
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: done a nice job training quarterbacks getting ready for the

741
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: draft the last few years with Shaun Watson. This year

742
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: he's got Sam Donald uh and Josh Allen. So it

743
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: was good to catch up with Jordan. Here's our conversation

744
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: with him about his two star pupils. All right, Bucky,

745
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm excited to be joined by Jordan Palmer seven years

746
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL as a quarterback, sixth round pick coming

747
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: out of UTEP. I've threatened him that I will release

748
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: the report that I wrote as a scout at some

749
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: point in time. But no, no, he isn't shaking his head. No,

750
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't want that. It wasn't it wouldn't be as

751
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: bad as my report would have been. J P. Hey

752
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time. You're training

753
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: two of the top quarterbacks in this draft class, and

754
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Sam Donald. Let's start first with Sam. Here.

755
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: The first time that you saw Sam? I know, you

756
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: guys kind of live or grew up in the same area.

757
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: What was the first time you were even aware of

758
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Sam Donald? Well, you know it was. It was actually

759
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: at a camp of a guy I used to train with,

760
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Bob Bazenco, and I was playing in the league at

761
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: the time, and so I, you know, I'd go back

762
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: and throw all the time at any you know, anybody

763
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: had a camp going on. I go throw at the

764
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: high school kids and hop in. It was fun and

765
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: it was funny because I saw Sam and the coach

766
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I was with, he grew up around Carson and I

767
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: when we were little, and I'm like, that dude over

768
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 1: there looks exactly like Carson at that age. Not talent wise.

769
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't saying I saw it at an early age,

770
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: just literally he looked like him, he walked like him,

771
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: He's wearing like scrubby basketball gear like my brother did.

772
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: And then two years later he's in the Elite eleven

773
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: and it's like man, this, I totally still looks like Carson,

774
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: acts like Carson, and then all of a sudden he

775
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: goes to see and he's positioned to be the number

776
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: one pick. So it's been really ironic, but it's also

777
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: been really fun to be a part of his journey.

778
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: You know. Speaking of that journey, he was a guy

779
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: that played other positions before moving to quarterback. What is

780
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge of kind of growing into position when

781
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: you haven't been I guess a lifelong quarterback, you know,

782
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: with Sam playing other positions and actually other sports because

783
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: he was a really really good basketball player in high school.

784
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: I think what it does is it contributes to just

785
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: the foundation of your competitive temperament. You know, when you

786
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: have to to beat people at not just quarterback, you

787
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: have to beat people in other positions, other sports. I

788
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: think it rounds you out. And you know, it's a

789
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: kid is just incredibly competitive. He's cool and he's calm,

790
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: he's a nice guy and his friends like him. But

791
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: when this is on the field, I mean he's I

792
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: mean he's he's looking to take people's lunch and um,

793
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: and he's just been that way since high school. Uh,

794
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and then the last two years getting an opportunity to

795
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: play early. UM, now getting an opportunity to leave early

796
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: and play in the NFL at a very young age.

797
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: That competitive temperament is going to be a really important

798
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: foundation for him to have and and I think playing

799
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: other sports, but another positions was the way that he

800
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: was able to develop it. Obviously because your brother, you

801
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: know what it's like playing that fish Bowl as the

802
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: quarterback of USC, especially, you know, when the NFL not

803
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: being here. Now the NFL has come back, but even

804
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: so USC has kind of always been identified as as

805
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: Southern California's professional football team. For those that don't know

806
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: just how much pressure was on Sam coming off of

807
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: a Rose Bowl went over Penn State and what he

808
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: played in the fish Bowl, so to speak. This year. Yeah,

809
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: you know it's really Uh, this is my second year

810
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: doing this. When I say this, I mean training the

811
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: dude that's the face of college football. Not the face

812
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: of all the starters, of the face to the program.

813
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: That's fine, um, But two years ago to Shawan after

814
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: the National Championship loss, he was the face of college football.

815
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: This past year, Sam was the face of college football.

816
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: What ends up happening is unrealistic. Expectations get placed on

817
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: these guys, where if Sam would have had the most

818
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: historic year and in USC history, we'd still talk about

819
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: that pick that he threw and that fumble that he

820
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: had and that drive that they still sputtered out on,

821
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: and it's just unrealistic. You know, Deshaun, people were talking

822
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: about how he's struggling going into his junior year. I mean,

823
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: the dude almost won the Heisman and won a national championship. Sam.

824
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: You know the other wait, what about this? What about

825
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: that he threw from more yards in US than anybody

826
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: in USC history, I mean, in a great year. And

827
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: so it's the expectations get so high. And then with

828
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: l A, it's just like I live out here. This

829
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: is like the band Wagons city and you know they

830
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: didn't even sell out games this year, and you know,

831
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: the expectations get so high that it's great for me

832
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: to go through this experience with these guys because it'll

833
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: be Jared stead Up next year, um, where he just

834
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: cannot worry about that stuff. And what that's valuable is

835
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: when you get picked, Hie, it's gonna be the same thing.

836
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: It's gonna be unrealistic, unrealistic, expectations. So the fact that

837
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: Sam got a whole last off season of everybody putting

838
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: them on every magazine and every podcast and every show

839
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: talking about how greaty like, it was great for him

840
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: to have to go through that, learned that it doesn't

841
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: matter and just focus on the ball. You have a

842
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: unique perspective because your brother was a number one overall pick. Uh.

843
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: He had to deal with those expectations coming out of

844
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: USC and having to be the face of the franchise. Eventually,

845
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: he was in a situation where he got a chance

846
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: to sit for a year behind John Kitna before he played.

847
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: Would it be beneficial for Sam to have a similar

848
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: situation where he doesn't have to jump in right away

849
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: and play and then become the face of the franchise

850
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: in year two. Yeah, for sure. And and honestly, my

851
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: answer to this question is for every single rookie quarterback

852
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: for the rest of them their lives. Like I always

853
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: think it's beneficial to sit. Um. There's not enough programs

854
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: in college football who run the same stuff, right, I mean,

855
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: I think there's like one or two. I mean, Bucky,

856
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: we see this at the opening all the time. The

857
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: guys and you know in college guys come back and

858
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: you have a conversation, You're like, man, that's the best

859
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: running back in college football. I can't believe how much

860
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: he doesn't know. So with this like, I always think

861
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: it's beneficial. I think Pat Mahomes is in a great spot. Now.

862
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: The cool thing about the uh, you know, Sam and

863
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: Josh is I think these guys are talented enough and

864
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: they're poised enough where if they have to play early,

865
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: they'll probably play well. So I felt the same way

866
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: about Shaun Watson last year, you know, and I ended

867
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: up playing great. Um. But I always think it's beneficial.

868
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: You know, you get to sit and you can learn

869
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: from other people's mistakes. Um. And so depending on what

870
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: Cleveland does, the other teams and wherever it's Sam and

871
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: Josh end up. Um, you know, if they're in a

872
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: position where they can sit and watch and learn on

873
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: someone else's behalf um, And it's always beneficial I think

874
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: to sit. With that being said, you know, I'm trying

875
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: to get them ready to play. Would you watch Sam mechanically?

876
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: What was the checklist you put together for when he

877
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 1: showed up to start training to get ready for the draft.

878
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: We were you starting to focus on Well, you know,

879
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: last offseason, we we focus on that loop, um him

880
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: dropping the ball down low, and we determine that really

881
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: about thirty two thirty five yards when he's driving it. Uh,

882
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: he'll drop that ball a little lower, Um, And it's psychological.

883
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: It's because there's something in you that makes you feel

884
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: like I have to do this. And we were able

885
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: to to be able to figure out a way for

886
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: him to to not have to worry about that, So

887
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: that loop got a little smaller last off season. I

888
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: also talked to enough teams and enough experts like trying

889
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: to Bilford where it doesn't bother anybody this offseason. Because

890
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: he's made so many off schedule throws, he would have

891
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: a tendency to get hunched in his shoulders. And that

892
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: may not seem like a big deal, but when you

893
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: get hunched in your shoulders, you end up not using

894
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: your peck muscles. So when you go to throw, you

895
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: end up not recruiting all those chest muscles, which means

896
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna be throwing with more of your arm than

897
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: you need to. And so by relaxing his traps and

898
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: working on his posture, he's been able to recruit the

899
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: muscles on the front half of his body, which means

900
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: he's using less of his arms. That was one. The

901
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: other thing is um is just the footwork. You know,

902
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: they did a lot of different drops at sc UM,

903
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: but they're they're pretty casual. You know, he was able

904
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: to be pretty casual because he was he had a

905
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of lightnment hurt. You know, he had to move

906
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: around a lot. When you do that, you end up

907
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: getting pretty inconsistent with your drops, which is David something

908
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: we've talked about um and and so going through that process.

909
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: Those two things is what we've been hammering. Uh and

910
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm excited on the twenty one for everyone to kind

911
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: of see that. You know, what do you really want

912
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to show um scouts in valuation? We have an opportunity

913
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: to show him off at pro Day. What would you

914
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: like scouts to walk away with the impression of Sam Donald? Well,

915
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, and I've talked to the top few teams

916
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: and so that everything that they want to see is

917
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: gonna be in that pro day script Um. But you know,

918
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: I think you want to see all three throws. You

919
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: want to see them drive the ball, you want to

920
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: see them layer of the ball, and you want to

921
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: see them throw a touch. You also want to see

922
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: them on platform, you know, standing in the pocket driving it,

923
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: and we want to get them outside of the pocket.

924
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: Both these kids are dynamic on the run. Um Uh.

925
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that with with Sam is

926
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: I want to show literally every single different type of

927
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: play action footwork. So when we throw a flat route,

928
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: he's not gonna take three steps and throw the flat.

929
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it off of a heavy play action.

930
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: So there's about seven or eight heavy play actions in

931
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: the NFL, and uh, we're gonna get a couple reps

932
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: at each of them, as opposed to even the bang eight.

933
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: We're not just gonna take five note hits and throw it.

934
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna do it off ride Bob pass, ride pass.

935
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: Flipping around. You can picture Brady open into his left

936
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: two back downhill play action. He flips his hips and

937
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: he throws a bang eighth Edleman. You know, we're working

938
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: that type of footwork. The point being so that a

939
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: team can come there, no matter what system they're in,

940
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: no matter how the what their style is, it can

941
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: go and I can see that kid playing in my system,

942
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: And and that's the idea we're looking forward to. We're

943
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: gonna be there for that per day. It's gonna be

944
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: a big one. Uh. Let's talk about Josh Allen. This

945
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: is a player that we've talked about a bunch in

946
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: the run up to the draft. And the physical tools

947
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: are they they're look, they're easy to spot. They blow

948
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: you away. My first question is just from a personality standpoint,

949
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: what's Josh Allen like? Haven't been around him? No, it's

950
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: really cool. So, I mean, Sam, I've known a long time.

951
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen, the other quarter back, is a great player.

952
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: Buck he's been around him. Uh, he's a rat, dudes,

953
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: but I've been I've been around these guys since high school. Really, really,

954
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: these guys like my little brothers. You know, Josh I

955
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: met last year and um, you know, and it's well documented.

956
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: You know, he's from a small town, grew up on

957
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: a farm, amazing family, all that stuff. And about two

958
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: or three weeks and you know, we're like, man, he's

959
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: super cool, he's a nice guy, all that stuff. And

960
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: I think once he got comfortable, once he realized, oh yeah,

961
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm totally good enough to do this, and you know,

962
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: I actually, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and let

963
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: my personality out. The students become like one of the

964
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: funniest people have been around. And and and I heard

965
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: that in Indie two people really felt that this dude

966
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: is really funny, really honest, really confident. It was good

967
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: for him to go to Mobile. It was good for

968
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: him to go to India and get those interviews. You know,

969
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: he grew up in a small town and then he

970
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: went to a small school. But you don't feel that

971
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: when you're around Josh. You know, he's confident who he is. Um,

972
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, he gets to the point he's got a

973
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: great personality. Um, this is a guy that every type

974
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: of player, old, young, no matter where they're from. Uh,

975
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: people are gonna gravitate where is this guy? You know?

976
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: And thinking about that because he came from small school, um,

977
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: in high school and then going to Walming. What are

978
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: the biggest challenges that he will have to kind of

979
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: overcome as he becomes a top pick in the draft

980
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: in terms of just being the dude in the locker room. Yeah,

981
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: I think every young guy go through an evolution. And

982
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm I always put this statement out there to those

983
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: guys and I ingrain this in their head. It's the

984
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: idea that if you're good enough, you're old enough. If

985
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: I'm talking to a short player, you know, if you're

986
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: if you're good enough, you're tall enough. And so with

987
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: josh Um, you know, watching him go through that evolution

988
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: out here with us, um, every quarterback is gonna do

989
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: it as well. There's that question of like, I know,

990
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: everybody says I'm awesome. I know I just got drafted

991
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: at the whatever pick. But at some point that quarterback

992
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: has to get to the point in which they understand

993
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: and actually believe I'm totally good enough to do this.

994
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: So hopefully that happens right away with guys, but sometimes

995
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: it happens later. And we we're looking at some young

996
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL right now. Where, to be honest

997
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: with you, I think for Jared Goff, I think it

998
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: happened the second year, the whole first year difference between

999
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe getting benched and going to a Pro Bowl. Now

1000
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: with these guys, you know, I think it's gonna happen

1001
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: really really early. Um, and the bigger the ball you play,

1002
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson to national championships, Yeah, it should happen. Quicker,

1003
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: you just you just beat Bama you should be real confident,

1004
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 1: you know. But we're going from high school, a small

1005
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: school to Juco d was in junior college three years

1006
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: ago to wyoming. Um, I'm gonna be pushing the sports

1007
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: psychologists side of me is gonna be pushing him to

1008
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: understand that he's good enough now and so therefore he's

1009
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: old enough. What was the checklist for Josh when he

1010
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: showed up to work on You know, it's been well documented,

1011
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: like the improvements, everybody's talking about it. My name keeps

1012
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: being thrown in there. Ironically, we really changed one thing.

1013
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: So he was putting himself mechanically. He's putting himself in

1014
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: a position a lot in college where he would get

1015
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: up on his toes and he would bounce and his

1016
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: feet would come together, which means the next thing you're

1017
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna do is get back down, all your cleats in

1018
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: the ground, and you're gonna overstride. Now, when you overstride,

1019
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: it can lead to a lot of things, depending on

1020
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: what kind of how what your throwing motion is. With Josh,

1021
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: when he would overstride, his body would jerk to the

1022
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: left and his release point, his elbow would drop his

1023
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: release for point where would would lower on the right side,

1024
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: meaning it's just counterbalancing. So you overstride, you really want

1025
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: to get your back hip through. That should be the

1026
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: engine that drives everything, and when you overstride, it's hard

1027
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: to do that. It's hard to come all the way

1028
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: over that front foot. So in it's simplest form, he

1029
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: was overstriding. That was leading to other issues. So instead

1030
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: of trying to solve the arm and go and get

1031
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: him to throw the ball higher and get him to

1032
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: stop leaning. I played quarterback those things. You can put

1033
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: that in my head all day. It's hard to do.

1034
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: But by changing the base, widening his base, making it

1035
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: every time he goes up on his toes, I want

1036
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: that to feel terrible, like really like kind of re

1037
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: engineering that. Now he has a really short front stride,

1038
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: he gets over it every time, and literally, and I

1039
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: told you this, Daniel, like when he misses just look

1040
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: at the overstride guarantee. If he misses his snoverstride, well,

1041
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: hopefully on his prodey, I think he's gonna miss three

1042
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: or fourth. While I was out of seventy, which is

1043
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: like amazing. On his pro day, it's just getting really clean.

1044
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: He's very, very comfortable with it. And this dude has

1045
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: so much juice it's crazy. It's well documented. But now

1046
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: it's just he's just in complete control of it. You

1047
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: mentioned the juice. I gotta ask you this. This is

1048
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: my I'm playing conspiracy theorist here. As somebody is a

1049
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: weenie arm quarterback like I was. I always tried to

1050
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: cheat my drop, especially it was five, was a quick five.

1051
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: I got about four yards. I just try and get

1052
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: it up. And then when I watched Josh especially, I

1053
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: went back and slowed it down. I was like, this

1054
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: dude has so much arm, and he wanted to show

1055
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: it off a little bit. So he slow played the

1056
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: drop a little bit in that he snaps the ball

1057
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: aso receiver takes off. It was like count one, count two.

1058
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: Then he began his drop, so when he got to

1059
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: the top of his drop, he could really show it off.

1060
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: Was that a plan or was that just somebody just

1061
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: has a big arm and just improvising on the fly there. Yeah,

1062
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean we put the we make sure there's three

1063
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: throws each right and uh and and so even on

1064
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: the pro day there's there's throws and then there's big

1065
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 1: boy throws and not not not the type the thrower.

1066
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: But like there's routes like a slant a curl, Like

1067
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna show you how strong my arm is

1068
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: on a curl. I want to do to catch it. Uh,

1069
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: And there's not that many opportunities for a quarterback to

1070
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: really show things off for the combine, to be honest

1071
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: with you, um and so, but on the deep ball,

1072
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: if you do it the way that we did it,

1073
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: which is, you know, just the first one out there,

1074
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: pause a little bit on the second one and drive

1075
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: it and then um, you know, let it loose on

1076
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: the third one. Same thing on the post corner. If

1077
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: you remember Blake Bortles a couple of years ago, really

1078
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: really late on his last post corner, drove it on

1079
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: the sideline and Mayock and everybody like, that's a big

1080
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: just manufactured right. And so on the proday, it's cool

1081
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: because an opportunity to do those, We're gonna have a

1082
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: couple of big boy throws on one. You know, we've

1083
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: talked about everyone talks about how talented he is, like

1084
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: a rare talent arm arm talent physically he can do

1085
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: all the things in terms of running around. Um, how

1086
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: hard is to get someone to rein that in to

1087
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of play discipline football, because the biggest challenge all

1088
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: scouts will have and evaluate him his inconsistency. How can

1089
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: you get him to be a more disciplined player from

1090
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: the pocket with all the talents and tools that he has. Well, honestly,

1091
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: I think the overstride thing um the inconsistency is on accuracy.

1092
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's two sides of that, not just

1093
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: what Josh with anybody. There's the quarterback is he missing?

1094
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: And then there's the other side of it, Bucky the

1095
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver side, and and he can't say these things.

1096
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: I've watched every snap, you know. I think one of

1097
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: the things that they had a hard time with is

1098
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: they didn't create a lot of separation and um and

1099
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: they had a lot of different route depths, and so

1100
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: you gotta wait. And when you got a lot of

1101
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: confidence in your arm talent, you're gonna wait and see

1102
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: it open and throw it. And in the NFL you

1103
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: can't do that, right in my opinion, that's the difference

1104
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: between Cam and where Cam could be if you if

1105
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: you develop more anticipation. There's a couple of guys in

1106
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: the league that do that. They want to wait and

1107
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: see it open and rip it in there. Um. And

1108
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: that will be the evolution for Josh. But I think

1109
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: he'll be in a position in the NFL with the

1110
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: route discipline that's there, the trusting the guys, having an

1111
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: X who always can separate on a couple of routes. UM.

1112
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: I think that inconsistencies are gonna narrow down big time

1113
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: based off of his mechanics and what he's been at,

1114
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: what he's able to do when he's really consistent with

1115
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: that short front stride, he's just in complete control of it.

1116
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: When he does that, it's on him now, um. And

1117
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: then on the other side of it, the receivers. I

1118
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: think that he's gonna take a big jump when he

1119
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: goes to the league because there's a lot of stuff

1120
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: that's hard to evaluate. You know, He's like Mahomes last year.

1121
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to evaluate. There's a couple of

1122
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: things that are just unbelievable, and then you want that

1123
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: to be better, so you try and research and figure

1124
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: out why it was it that way. UM. And I

1125
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: just proving more information on everybody because I'm so involved

1126
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: in this. But I really don't see it being an

1127
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: issue in in the future. I think he's gonna be

1128
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: a much better pro. Uh. And and Bucky. We talked

1129
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: about the slash with Sean. You know, he's gonna be

1130
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: a much better pro because he'll have more He's so

1131
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: smart to have more answers at the line of scrimmage

1132
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: than he did at Clemson. I mean, I think the

1133
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: same thing out of these two guys. This is the

1134
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: last one from me here JP. Let's let's go best

1135
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: case scenario Josh Allen. Best case scenario. We're looking back

1136
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: five years from now. Where where is Josh Allen? And

1137
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: what what does he look like on an NFL field?

1138
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard. I don't really have a camp

1139
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: for him. Um. I think in the pocket. Uh, you know,

1140
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: I think he has some Roethlisberger the natural ability to

1141
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: buy time. Not in the exact same manner because Ben.

1142
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: I mean I played against you know, I was on

1143
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: the other sideline four years versus Ben, and every time

1144
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: it was third down, it was like, Oh, here we

1145
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: go again. I mean, he's gonna he's gonna buy it

1146
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: extra time. We're gonna get two dudes on him and

1147
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: then he's you know what I mean, he's gonna he's

1148
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: gonna get the ball out. Josh has a lot of that.

1149
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: But Josh is off faster and he has the ability

1150
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: to get outside the pocket and create, and so I

1151
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a guy where he can weather

1152
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: the storm. My big with these guys is you've got

1153
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: to be able to handle the inevitability of success and adversity.

1154
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: And Josh went through a lot of adversity, you know,

1155
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: when that whole thing going through high school and Juco.

1156
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: He told his mom in high school, don't worry MoMA

1157
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: on Sidney Day. Don't worry my mom and be the

1158
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: first round pick. I promise you, it's crazy. So he's

1159
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: been through adverse he has handled that really well, and

1160
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: he's handled the success really well too. You know, he

1161
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about any the media anything like. He's

1162
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: just locked in and focus right now. He's ready for this.

1163
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: So I think in five years you're gonna see a

1164
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: very mature player who can create time and space, which

1165
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: is that I think that the future of the quarterback

1166
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: position your ability to do that. Um, And you're gonna

1167
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: see a guy who's who's like farvish in terms of

1168
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: like how much is his teammates love him. They think

1169
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: he's hilarious. Every day is fun. Like my brother. He's

1170
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: gonna be the prank guy. I can already call it now.

1171
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: And he's just gonna be that guy that the equipment

1172
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: manager loves, the fans love, his teammates love, and those

1173
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: guys usually win a ton of games. Last one and

1174
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: I'll let you run same question, same question for Sam

1175
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: Donald five years from now? What does that look like?

1176
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard for me to sit here and

1177
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: compare where these guys are gonna be because it totally

1178
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: depends on the organization they go to, right, Um, And

1179
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: so with Sam, you know, I think it's a lot

1180
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,959
Speaker 1: of the same. Um. I haven't seen a guy I mean,

1181
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: or I've seen guys like the Sean maybe last year.

1182
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: We're like, were these teammates where I go, hey, what

1183
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: do you think of Sam? And they need to pause

1184
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: and they go, listen, this is my guy. There's a

1185
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: guy who can rally the locker room. And he's twenty

1186
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: so that's gonna be important. You know, he's a young dude,

1187
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: and and that's gonna be important. And this is gonna

1188
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: be a guy for the next five years. Who um

1189
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: is a highlight reel because he's so good off schedule,

1190
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: he's so accurate, he's so consistent off schedule, moving around,

1191
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: buying time in the pocket. Dude ran a four eight

1192
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: and it just he doesn't run a four it on

1193
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: tape in the pocket. And this is gonna be a

1194
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: guy who's who's just in those moments. And we saw

1195
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: in the rows, but we saw in the big games,

1196
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: even Texas coming back at the end. He's just gonna

1197
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: be one of those guys. I think his reputation and

1198
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: this is where recording in this, so this is perfect.

1199
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: His reputation is going to be that big moment, that

1200
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: big game guy where he always comes through um and

1201
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna do it in a way. But he's just

1202
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: gonna be an easy guy to be a fan of.

1203
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: I love it. Hey, I know you're busy, man, Thank

1204
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: you so much for taking some time. Let's let's catch

1205
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: up again here before we get to the draft. My pleasure.

1206
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. Well there you go, Buck fun chat with

1207
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: with JP. There what I this a loaded podcast? Man,

1208
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: got you some free agency, We've got you some gms,

1209
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: A little uh, a little Jordan Palmer talking some draft

1210
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: with the top quarterback prospect. Oh, we got it all

1211
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: fit in. We don't know. We've been going longer lately.

1212
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The numbers have been going up

1213
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: though every week. We appreciate to get into it. Thank

1214
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: you so much for listening. Uh, we do appreciate that.

1215
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: Always always appreciate the comments and the rankings there on

1216
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: Apple Podcast. That helps out as well. But uh, that's

1217
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. Buck jam Packed episode. Can

1218
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: I tease? Can I tease? What we have coming up?

1219
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh boy, the three sixty series is here. Buck, you

1220
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: got to kick it off. There's an exciting quarterback that

1221
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about. Oh, I think we can let

1222
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: the cat out of the bag. Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson.

1223
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: Three sixty is dropping in a matter of days, so

1224
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that. The three sixty series

1225
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: is is something we take a deep dive on individual

1226
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: prospect Lamar Jackson. We go talk to his high school coach,

1227
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: college coaches, We talked to a defensive coordinator that played

1228
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: against him. We talked to the guy he's been compared

1229
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: to at Michael Vick. So there is a lot of

1230
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: content you're gonna enjoy on the Lamar Jackson three sixty episode,

1231
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: which is dropping in matter of days. Doesn't get any

1232
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: better than that, not at all. Let's get out of here,

1233
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: all right. That's gonna do it for us here, I'll

1234
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: move the sticks. Thank you guys for listening, uh, thanks

1235
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: for uh following us on this journey to the draft.

1236
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: We will be there in no time. For all your

1237
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Speaker 1: draft needs, all your football needs, We've got you covered

1238
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1239
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