Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunts rut Fresh Radio, bringing you
Speaker 1: the latest reports from the White Tail Woods and now
Speaker 1: your hosts, Casey Smith Tyler Jones. This is Rutfish Radio
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Speaker 1: it is a hunter's wonderland out there right now. Hunters
Speaker 1: are mark around the country how cold weather and winter
Speaker 1: storms can help them to kill big bucks. This is
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Speaker 1: I'm Tyler Jones, one of your hosts. The other host,
Speaker 1: Casey Smith, that you've already heard from, is hanging out
Speaker 1: with me. We're in the upstairs. We're looking out the
Speaker 1: window or trying to find a late season buck. How
Speaker 1: do we do that better? Ask your camera guys, because
Speaker 1: they know way better than us. And they had a
Speaker 1: good week and didn't they day? Man, we had a
Speaker 1: great day on Texas Public recently. Um. Actually, we will
Speaker 1: be talking about this on our podcast in the very
Speaker 1: near future, maybe out and depending on when you listen
Speaker 1: to this, and we'll be releasing videos from that day.
Speaker 1: We had an epic epic day on Texas Public and uh,
Speaker 1: all the camera guys got to shoot at some bucks
Speaker 1: they did. Man, it uh it was kind of wild
Speaker 1: uh and humbling in a way. Not that these guys
Speaker 1: aren't good hunters, but um, you and I kind of
Speaker 1: the brain children the o g s of the Elements
Speaker 1: didn't really have good hunts. But the other guys out
Speaker 1: their heads some pretty memorable hunts. I would say, one
Speaker 1: dare I say one person shot their first buck? Ever,
Speaker 1: how cool is that? That is pretty cool. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: stoked about that. Man, Go ahead and chocoling up to
Speaker 1: hunter recruitment for the Element. You know, dude, let's go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is field to table what its finest? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, we're just make things happen. So, dude,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Along with your first buck
Speaker 1: comes your first field dressing experience. That's something that I
Speaker 1: wish the tubes of you would let us explain a
Speaker 1: little bit better. I know, man, if y'all don't know this,
Speaker 1: um YouTube is pretty hard on butchery, especially of wild game.
Speaker 1: You can take a hog like I mean, like a
Speaker 1: pink pig. But you start cutting up a wild hog
Speaker 1: in the field or a deer, and it's gonna get
Speaker 1: flagged for sure and taken down. So there's like it's
Speaker 1: a really it's impeding to um, you know, new hunters
Speaker 1: because you can't get the media out. It's weird though,
Speaker 1: it's it depends on who you are and when you
Speaker 1: put it out and everything else. Because I believe Mr
Speaker 1: Steve has a video on field dressing a deer or
Speaker 1: something that does pretty well on the Mediator channel. If
Speaker 1: you are a new hunter and you're interested in that,
Speaker 1: you can check that out on their YouTube. I believe
Speaker 1: it is there. Don't quote me, but I'm like ninety
Speaker 1: percent sure that's there. Yeah. So, but yes, there was
Speaker 1: some learning, some fun verbiage that we got to use
Speaker 1: during that field dressing experience for Eric to help him
Speaker 1: to understand what he should cut and what he shouldn't cut,
Speaker 1: where he should poke and all that. And what was
Speaker 1: awesome is that he didn't have a sharp knife. We
Speaker 1: had a sharp n actually, so uh it was it
Speaker 1: made things tougher. Make sure you have a sharp knife,
Speaker 1: just be careful with it. I uh. I tried to
Speaker 1: give you one of those replaceable blade knoves earlier in
Speaker 1: the in the year, and he turned it down. You
Speaker 1: remember that everybody likes the thought of sharpening a knife.
Speaker 1: That you realize you can't really sharpen a knife that will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then oh this makes like um okay, I just
Speaker 1: kinda go ahead and use this replaceably. He uh. He
Speaker 1: re upped on that offer the other day when we're
Speaker 1: at my house, you in the skin and yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I still got that. I was there
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, where's it at. Sure enough, I'll
Speaker 1: give it a try. This is the way he got.
Speaker 1: So we've had we had a we had a good time.
Speaker 1: You know. One one thing that's fun about hunting the
Speaker 1: South is that your rut tends to extend, extend quite
Speaker 1: a bit, and so like you have this opportunity to
Speaker 1: get in on some rut action um outside of that
Speaker 1: normal early November rut window. And so these these Midwestern
Speaker 1: states that we've been interviewing a lot this year that
Speaker 1: have gotten a lot of airplay almost Rout Fresh podcast,
Speaker 1: a lot of them are really like they they almost
Speaker 1: have like bleak outlook on this late season stuff sometimes
Speaker 1: because it's so just shut down the deer. That's such
Speaker 1: a hard, intense rut. The antlers are broken, the bucks
Speaker 1: are you know, dying in the cold from being run down,
Speaker 1: the indoor shot during the rut, there's no rut action.
Speaker 1: You know, if it's not brutal cold, you can't get
Speaker 1: them out in the in the daylight sometimes. And so
Speaker 1: the thing about the South is that you know, not
Speaker 1: only is the rutt not in a super intense window,
Speaker 1: you know, quite as bad. But you've got um deer
Speaker 1: that were born, like you know, the cycle happens where
Speaker 1: like we've seen deer with spat it's in October. And
Speaker 1: I mean, like like the Legit funds, Greg and I
Speaker 1: saw one from the tree that I could still barely
Speaker 1: see the outline of spot. This thing might a way
Speaker 1: thirty pounds. It was the tiniest. And if we have
Speaker 1: if we have another big snow, this thing's toast you know,
Speaker 1: like it's too small to make it. And guess what
Speaker 1: that deer is six months old and like February, and
Speaker 1: guess what's gonna happen. It's coming to astress. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: so like we have trailcaring pictures of giant deer on
Speaker 1: public in Texas, uh, chasing those rounds. Oh and in
Speaker 1: February their hawks will be dark as coffee grounds. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's cool, it's it's not like something
Speaker 1: you can go out and just bank on. You also
Speaker 1: can't kill him that time of year either. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm saying outside of the normal rut, you can't
Speaker 1: go and just bank on like the fact you're gonna
Speaker 1: find the rut fest. But we have, in fact found
Speaker 1: some rut fests recently on Texas pub And when you
Speaker 1: find that it's time to get you and your buddies
Speaker 1: in that area and set up the wall like they
Speaker 1: do on a kick off. It's kind of weird, but
Speaker 1: it does seem to work. I mean the other day
Speaker 1: we had some success and nobody killed, but we were
Speaker 1: all on them. I mean, if we want to shoot
Speaker 1: some running shots, you might could. I could shot the
Speaker 1: biggest year we've probably seen on Texas public, um, if
Speaker 1: I want to shoot a twenty five yard running shot,
Speaker 1: which I don't want to do. So it was wild
Speaker 1: man and a good time, and but we really saw
Speaker 1: it like just in a matter of days kind of
Speaker 1: dwindled down. But the interesting thing about the Southern you know,
Speaker 1: trickle rut at the back end like it does, like
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's many does coming in. We
Speaker 1: talked about the Bell Curve I don't think it's um
Speaker 1: perfectly parabolic, you know what I mean. I think that's
Speaker 1: blow down a little bit more, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't think that October sixteenth has near as many
Speaker 1: does coming in as like say December one. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that the throughout from about in the south
Speaker 1: throughout about the second week of November until the new year,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have does coming in. And I think that um,
Speaker 1: that keeps bucks at least there's some stuff. But just
Speaker 1: in general, if you get out of the standardized upper
Speaker 1: Midwest rut cycle, you know, um, you'll have even pretty
Speaker 1: far north, you still see some of the stuff. But
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is that you'll have deer that um,
Speaker 1: since they aren't at the highest level of height when
Speaker 1: it comes to routtness, it's word um, they still have
Speaker 1: to do the bodily functions. When you add the word
Speaker 1: nest to things, it's good. Um. The so they'll eat,
Speaker 1: they'll drink, they're bad to do all the stuff, but
Speaker 1: they're always still kind of in the mode. So like
Speaker 1: when you see those, it gets you excited. Whenever you're
Speaker 1: hunting around scrapes or other deer sign, it gets you
Speaker 1: kind of excited because I mean, they'll be deer in
Speaker 1: the south hitting scrapes until all the deer seasons are
Speaker 1: over from here on out. It's never a bad time
Speaker 1: to be around one. It's also not a bad time
Speaker 1: to be around foods horses because there's less acrons in
Speaker 1: the woods. Acorns um for y'all out there. And um,
Speaker 1: also that means the US. Uh. That means that those
Speaker 1: deer either on an egg or if UNI feed state,
Speaker 1: they're on the feed. And we actually in this episode
Speaker 1: a couple of guys make use of feed and it's
Speaker 1: interesting to hear, but um, it's not the uh, huge
Speaker 1: pile of bait um type thing. A lot of these
Speaker 1: guys who are having success using feed are doing it sparingly,
Speaker 1: but in just the right amounts to kind of hold
Speaker 1: deer or just slow them down or make them stage
Speaker 1: in certain spots. I think there is a pretty good
Speaker 1: tactic behind hunting bait. It's not just shooting pinned deer,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, it's a lot different than that. I
Speaker 1: don't even care, Like to me, it's just so it's
Speaker 1: such a dumb thing to fight over. It's warning, there's
Speaker 1: there's just there's laws, and there's bag limits that take
Speaker 1: care of this thing. And if they need to be
Speaker 1: a just because people are so effective, than adjust them.
Speaker 1: You know, let it don't let us kill two deer
Speaker 1: two bucks in one season, which we can't in our
Speaker 1: county anyway. So you know that's it's like, it's just
Speaker 1: not a deal to me. It's like they're good and
Speaker 1: bad things that come with everything. Man, the world's a
Speaker 1: little bit uh on the way down, if you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, um, you know, you could you
Speaker 1: could say that uh uh human water tower is a
Speaker 1: good thing because we can all have clean fresh water,
Speaker 1: but then are they putting chlorine and all kinds of
Speaker 1: stuff in this Yeah, so look yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: so you know that's like a human bait pile. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like a human uh water water feature property. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, like we can we could
Speaker 1: fight over things all day. Um, but whether you have
Speaker 1: whether you leaves standing corn in the back of a
Speaker 1: cornfield or you just go ahead and put you a
Speaker 1: bunch of standing corn uh falling calling corn on the
Speaker 1: ground back in there, then you know it's whatever. Just
Speaker 1: don't alphabe as we hear and here. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways to sure to cut this.
Speaker 1: But since I mean there's all kinds of human interaction,
Speaker 1: like what if you I mean, do you get to
Speaker 1: say that rattling is okay? If you're introducing this fake
Speaker 1: rattling horns, you're deceiving the deer and the deer. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: we're out there to shoot some deer and eat them.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what it's about to my wife. My
Speaker 1: wife has text me right now which meat to get
Speaker 1: out of the freezer. Yeah, you can't find the elk though,
Speaker 1: can't you? Down too long ago? So? Uh, speaking of success,
Speaker 1: we talked to some guys who have been having some
Speaker 1: success on the podcast today Tyler, who are we talking
Speaker 1: to this week? Man? We got uh, we got some
Speaker 1: new New States involved here and like we said earlier,
Speaker 1: their Midwest guys. Uh. When we reached out to them
Speaker 1: and they're just so sad that the rud is over.
Speaker 1: We had to talk to some different They gave us
Speaker 1: some zeros, so we had to you know, you can't
Speaker 1: be having zeros on the book, that's right. So we
Speaker 1: we got Gary Greenwall on the on the phone, and
Speaker 1: he's an old friend ours from Washington State killed a
Speaker 1: nice buck up there. Um Grant Forney, who you guys
Speaker 1: have heard from already the season Pennsylvania, which is a
Speaker 1: cool state man, lots of different very habitat there. Grants
Speaker 1: is talking about mountain country. Um. Another Mountain countryman, Chris
Speaker 1: b was in Oklahoma and killing mountain bucks in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: So we're pretty uh, pretty pretty cool report from there.
Speaker 1: And it also our friend Justin Henry from Florida gets
Speaker 1: to talk about them swampy Everglades nasties down there in
Speaker 1: Florida and there they're just that. You call them swamp
Speaker 1: monsters in some parts of the country, but they're not
Speaker 1: monsters in Florida. They're just swamp something. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's monsters more of like the UHC, you know, the
Speaker 1: connotation of the word. So like it's like, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: like scary. What's what's the term for a monster? I'm
Speaker 1: thinking I'm blanking on it. Um. We had a guy
Speaker 1: on our podcast one time that talked about like a
Speaker 1: big foots and stuff. Oh encrypted, yes, crypt yeah or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Yeah, crypto zoology, cryptid as well, So
Speaker 1: that's that's what they're talking about. Cryptids are yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of supposed fake animals, which, um, funny enough, m Florida
Speaker 1: and Texas monster deer might be cryptids, but there's some
Speaker 1: good ones man. And I don't know, I like talking
Speaker 1: to people who hunt in unique areas. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: Justin has some pretty good hunts down there in Florida,
Speaker 1: which you know, you can't even look at Florida on
Speaker 1: the map and be like, oh, I want to go
Speaker 1: hunt there. But you know, people make it work and
Speaker 1: it's all relative, right, if you're getting out and deer
Speaker 1: hunting and having fun doing what you're doing, Um, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if it's zero degrees or seventy in human you know,
Speaker 1: you're still hunting white and there s makes some neat man.
Speaker 1: It is, man, it really is. They're so diverse, right,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's kind of one of those things
Speaker 1: where like I when we were out hunting on Texas
Speaker 1: Public this weekend, both of us had this weird thing
Speaker 1: where like we have struggled so much on some of
Speaker 1: these properties around kind of around home or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it was but it was like while we're out there,
Speaker 1: we're like, man, this is this is like I've missed
Speaker 1: this a little bit it's weird, like there's no place
Speaker 1: like home, like they say, you know, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of one of those things, is like you you you
Speaker 1: hunt in Florida because you live in Florida, and that's
Speaker 1: just what you make the best out of what you got,
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said earlier, we're out there
Speaker 1: to eat these things, you know what I mean in
Speaker 1: the end. So it's fun to go hunting them elsewhere,
Speaker 1: whether big sometimes too, but like, yeah, you know that. Uh.
Speaker 1: We talked to a guy who State touches the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1: We talked to a guy who State touches the Gulf
Speaker 1: of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean, and they're all hunting
Speaker 1: white till Yeah. Next time, we gotta get some many
Speaker 1: touches the Panama Canal one of these days. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let's hear from these guys and get the report. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, I've got Gary Greenwalt here. He hunts up
Speaker 1: in the Washington State. Uh, one place that we have
Speaker 1: not had on the fresh stuff yet. So we're excited
Speaker 1: to get the report. Gary. You've had some success recently, right,
Speaker 1: I did, yep, scoring on I think it was the
Speaker 1: second So the second okay, okay, come down from Alaska
Speaker 1: since I moved up there first time in four years
Speaker 1: and things just kind of panned out right with conditions,
Speaker 1: So it's awesome. So yeah, you you have a very
Speaker 1: methodical approach to it, and it has to do with weather,
Speaker 1: weather conditions, right, Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what what weather? In time of year? It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody wants to hunt the rut. But I'll take the
Speaker 1: first week in December and some nice cold weather and snow,
Speaker 1: um anytime from about December one December seven, and if
Speaker 1: I get the weather conditions right, I can pretty much
Speaker 1: guarantee I'll kill it here. And that's been I've got
Speaker 1: a wall fold show for it. Yeah, I know you do.
Speaker 1: And that's a that's based off of like a heavy
Speaker 1: feed pattern, right, Yeah, it's it's post rout feed is
Speaker 1: what you're really really banking on. And then there's some
Speaker 1: second rud activities. Well, so though those two things wrapped up,
Speaker 1: you know, those bucks are coming around to feed, they're
Speaker 1: coming around checking for those last few does coming back
Speaker 1: into heat. Okay, so so you are seeing a little
Speaker 1: bit of cruising steel I guess, or yeah, the buck
Speaker 1: that I actually killed. I had actually done a little
Speaker 1: bleat and grunt sequence about five minutes before, and he
Speaker 1: came in looking, wow, man, that's cool. So well that
Speaker 1: well that hang around for a while or is that
Speaker 1: something that uh, the second rut stuff will taper off
Speaker 1: pretty quick, but the feed patern will stick now through January?
Speaker 1: Really does it get does the does the feed pattern
Speaker 1: get more intense going forward? Like is it is it
Speaker 1: something that with more and more snow it gets more
Speaker 1: intense or is it just like pretty much like constant.
Speaker 1: Yeah it will, Yeah, I definitely will. So, I mean
Speaker 1: it'll be largely weather dependent than you know, the more
Speaker 1: snow we get, the colder it gets, the more intense
Speaker 1: that feeding will get. Those those deer it almost seems like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to call it, they
Speaker 1: compete for the food, but but it gets to a
Speaker 1: point where the day movement on a lot of the
Speaker 1: older bucks almost come in first to get to the
Speaker 1: feed before for the dose young. So we're talking about
Speaker 1: feed here. I'm not familiar with the legalities in Washington.
Speaker 1: You're talking about baiting stations or is it an agricultural
Speaker 1: food source? Well, so we we use. I use bait
Speaker 1: um that they changed our laws quite a bit where
Speaker 1: we're limited on the amount you can use. So really
Speaker 1: now about half bail Health South is about as much
Speaker 1: as we can use. But gender that's all it takes.
Speaker 1: And I generally set these things up in transition zones
Speaker 1: where they're moving out the tag fields UM where they'll
Speaker 1: get the rest of their feeds. So they're there areas
Speaker 1: you had hunt anyways, and the bait just kind of
Speaker 1: sweetens this pot up a little bit. Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's kind of like that Canada top hunting where you
Speaker 1: just put out a hay bale in the snow and
Speaker 1: the big bucks coming. Yeah, that's cool. So what's the
Speaker 1: major egg feed source that those two are moving to
Speaker 1: UM right now? Probably winter weets the biggest one UM.
Speaker 1: And then there there's stubble fields and stuff and volunteer
Speaker 1: wheat that will come up underneath an old spill green
Speaker 1: piles they can find every once in a while UM.
Speaker 1: And then there's just a lot of natural brows too.
Speaker 1: At this time of year, are you doing any morning hunts?
Speaker 1: Are you shifting in specifically? I don't that that's one
Speaker 1: thing kind of baffles guys and even my outfit guys
Speaker 1: like why we're going out first things that you're spook
Speaker 1: all the dyer. It's like I generally get in the
Speaker 1: stand about nine o'clock. Yeah, well it's also freezing cold,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a good one good
Speaker 1: time to sit there and drinks off here. It's it's hard.
Speaker 1: The all day sits are hard, and in tests you
Speaker 1: when you start off be in the dark. But I
Speaker 1: mean I've done that before. Um, I just never really
Speaker 1: seen it pan pan out that much. So but I
Speaker 1: just kind of went away from it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've shot here at ten in the morning and right
Speaker 1: to the last light, but I've never shot one I
Speaker 1: think much earlier and ten in the morning when I'm
Speaker 1: bow hunt. So so you are getting there in the morning,
Speaker 1: just not at day yeah, just not just not you know,
Speaker 1: before light. Yeah, what's the strategy as far as uh
Speaker 1: sticking it out throughout the day? You're bringing hot food
Speaker 1: with you or how do you make yourself staying there?
Speaker 1: I actually don't. I don't eat or drink on stand
Speaker 1: because I generally don't want to make the noise. Um.
Speaker 1: I generally have heat packs underneath the good gear, um,
Speaker 1: and that that's in good boots. Just write it out.
Speaker 1: So man, a lot of pizza when you get home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe me. I eat a lot and get back.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So uh one last question about this whole process, like,
Speaker 1: how are you what are you assuming is betting in
Speaker 1: that area? How do you find betting? And to make
Speaker 1: that assumption that here's betting, here's the destination. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put alfalfa in between. Um, basically, thirty thirty plus
Speaker 1: years of hunting out here, I know what what for
Speaker 1: where they're at generally speaking this time of year, in
Speaker 1: this type of train, I'd be looking for brushy south slopes,
Speaker 1: places where they can get some sunlight and find some
Speaker 1: thermal cover if they need it when the weather hits. Um.
Speaker 1: So it's like I said, a lot of it's just
Speaker 1: experience out here, but I could replicate the results in
Speaker 1: other areas knowing what I'm perfect cool. So uh, I
Speaker 1: hear that you guys got some fresh snow. With that
Speaker 1: in mind and whatever else you got coming up, how
Speaker 1: do you feel in the next next week about you know,
Speaker 1: buck movement. If you were to rate it on a
Speaker 1: scale of one to ten. What would you rank man?
Speaker 1: Yesterday it was at ten when I was l hunting. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's probably gonna keep on about like that.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get I don't really see it tapering off
Speaker 1: with this weather. Um. So the guys here in Washington,
Speaker 1: I think they got till the fifteenth kill a deer.
Speaker 1: It should be good the rest of the way through season.
Speaker 1: And I think Idaho opens up on the tenth and
Speaker 1: those guys, you know, they can't do the feeding that
Speaker 1: we can do, but you know, if they got a
Speaker 1: good food source, that should be good for him to
Speaker 1: just stick with it and and see decent movement that
Speaker 1: this weather is a huge help for that. So okay,
Speaker 1: well cool man, Well thanks for giving us a report
Speaker 1: and we appreciate it. And uh, well we'll be talking
Speaker 1: to you seeing man. You know what, actually you never
Speaker 1: gave us a number. Oh, I'd rate it to nine,
Speaker 1: all right, dude, yeah, ten yesterday, nine today or next week.
Speaker 1: I think people should get out there and get after
Speaker 1: if they're in Washington state. So again, thanks for doing
Speaker 1: this thing, man, and we'll be talking to he's saying,
Speaker 1: I'm sure say man, all right, now I've got Cris
Speaker 1: be on the line here. We're talking about Oklahoma. You
Speaker 1: had some success there recently. What's going on, Chris? What's up, guys?
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. Yeah, dude, for sure, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, pretty reliable guy, you know, so you can
Speaker 1: rely on you to be hunting deer, you know, at least.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, it seems like it's slowing down, is slowing down.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this last week in Oklahoma early December, never
Speaker 1: really done it before, actually jumped on a lease with
Speaker 1: a couple of buddies from Unguided Outdoors and it was
Speaker 1: it was pretty weird. It really high deer numbers. We're
Speaker 1: kind of in the hill country southeast Oklahoma, and there
Speaker 1: is an incredible amount of doughs, like a very unhealthy
Speaker 1: amount of dough was. Um. So, with that said, like
Speaker 1: the buck that I shot, he was actually still out
Speaker 1: like searching, like he I saw him like two yards
Speaker 1: just running like just looking, you know, and I just
Speaker 1: grunted at him and he whipped his head and just
Speaker 1: came right in. Um So, they I really think that
Speaker 1: they were still running that hard that late because the
Speaker 1: amount of doze, you know, they're trying to breed all
Speaker 1: of them. Um And That's why it's like a big
Speaker 1: effort for like our crew to just try to get
Speaker 1: those dough numbers down because it's making the bucks really
Speaker 1: unhealthy just running and competing for food and all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they were still they were still chasing for sure,
Speaker 1: was wasting some of that down in this area. To um,
Speaker 1: how big was the body size that buck you shot?
Speaker 1: Not very big? I mean we were guessing him at
Speaker 1: four UM and he was drawning, i mean, bony and
Speaker 1: just really run down. And one of the other guys
Speaker 1: actually saw him in October and then you know, I
Speaker 1: showed him the video and totally he's like, wow, he's
Speaker 1: like that deude got small. Yeah, those mountain bucks, like
Speaker 1: they're they're just the southeast Oklahoma mountain bucks are just
Speaker 1: kind of like it's crazy how small they actually are
Speaker 1: sometimes you you know, they just southern climate and running
Speaker 1: and running up and down those hills, they just get rangy,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's pretty cool. They that's like Postoke country, right,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of Postoke achorns on the ground or not,
Speaker 1: I think. So, Yeah, I'm not super familiar with with
Speaker 1: Oklahoma in general, but yeah, they're like super short, maybe
Speaker 1: thirty ft tall tall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So are you
Speaker 1: running cameras in a place like that, you know, like
Speaker 1: at least like that and kind of turning Target Bucks
Speaker 1: and doing that or was this kind of a surprise
Speaker 1: deal for you? This was kind of a surprise deal
Speaker 1: for me just because this is my first year. But
Speaker 1: the other guys, I mean, we're trying this place. We're
Speaker 1: really trying to make something. You know, we're all kind
Speaker 1: of new on it. But yeah, we'd love to be
Speaker 1: running cameras and do more of a management and it's
Speaker 1: a big enough piece to do that. Um And either
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for us right now and that make
Speaker 1: it better is shooting a lot of toes. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's ridiculous. How many does are I've
Speaker 1: never seen a place like it. Is there a tactic
Speaker 1: to what time of year it's good to shoot those?
Speaker 1: In your opinion? I've heard it both ways, you know,
Speaker 1: like shoot him early so that, um, you you are
Speaker 1: getting rid of the competition for food and for rut
Speaker 1: um like before the rut And then I've heard, you know,
Speaker 1: shoot them late so that you're not messing up you're
Speaker 1: hunting and everything during the right. So I like to
Speaker 1: play a place like this. It's definitely easier to shoot
Speaker 1: them later, I think, just as a conveniencing. But we've
Speaker 1: been all the guys we've been shooting, like obviously, I've
Speaker 1: only been down there once and I actually shot four
Speaker 1: like in one morning, Like it was ridiculous, And but
Speaker 1: all the guys have been shooting them all year long.
Speaker 1: But that tagged out bro. Yeah. No, I was in
Speaker 1: the tree for an hour, a nice shop five year.
Speaker 1: Oh what's the buck? The fifth? Dear? You shot four? Four? Yeah? Shot?
Speaker 1: I shot him, and then another dog came and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I need to get how many quivers
Speaker 1: does your bo hold? Man? It was five arrel quiver? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was done. There're another buck box watching them. Oh dude,
Speaker 1: that's wild man, that's fun. Well, so you know, I
Speaker 1: guess you guys are still hunting kind of the rut
Speaker 1: up there. Uh now when we look forward to next week,
Speaker 1: are you still would you still be kind of like
Speaker 1: which I don't know you may uh, you know, you're
Speaker 1: obviously not gonna be there with the shooting five arrows
Speaker 1: on one one uh sitting but like can't like if
Speaker 1: you were going to be there, would you still be
Speaker 1: focusing on rut action funnels, pinch points those kind of
Speaker 1: things maybe like saddles on in that mountain country or
Speaker 1: are you looking at food sources coming up? Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they're definitely gonna be switching the food this next week.
Speaker 1: And I think I hit like the last little bit
Speaker 1: of running, you know, running around, and and Bucks were
Speaker 1: still being um, those are the few days if they're
Speaker 1: really switching over. I think you know, Bucks were on food.
Speaker 1: Bucks were still mingling with those and not having to
Speaker 1: bump them, um, you know, being more cordial and stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I definitely think switching the food. Corn is
Speaker 1: king in that country too. I know, it's like Texas.
Speaker 1: That's a thing man, for sure. Cattle. If you look forward,
Speaker 1: the cattle were driving me nuts. We'd we'd have to
Speaker 1: like just broadcast a little bit out. And it's like
Speaker 1: the thing that's down there too. We're still hunting in
Speaker 1: good areas, good normal movement deer areas, and then we
Speaker 1: just kind of like throw a little bit out because
Speaker 1: you can, um and then to keep some those around
Speaker 1: or whatever. But yeah, yeah, well if you look forward
Speaker 1: to the next week here, if you had to rate
Speaker 1: it on a scale of winded tea and what would
Speaker 1: you rate buck movement going forward? If you've got a
Speaker 1: good cold front, it's gonna be really good. It's it
Speaker 1: switches again. I think the weather dependency. Yeah, yeah, cool man. Well,
Speaker 1: sounds like some fun times there to be had still
Speaker 1: with the with some cold frinds coming through and the
Speaker 1: I'm switching to food. I think that's kind of the
Speaker 1: game of late season. So, um, congrats on all the success, man.
Speaker 1: I wish you, uh, you know, things well in the
Speaker 1: in the future with your travels and everything else. Dude,
Speaker 1: and we'll be talking. I appreciate you hopping on with
Speaker 1: us on the phone. We've got Grant Forney from the
Speaker 1: Everyday Outdoors when he's been up in p A doing
Speaker 1: some hunting. Grant, what's happening due, I'm much just uh
Speaker 1: staying busy here with hunting season. Awesome time of the year,
Speaker 1: so looking forward to the next time I can get
Speaker 1: out here. Thanks for having me. You're welcome, dude. How
Speaker 1: much hunting do you get to do? I know you
Speaker 1: you uh, you work hard and you hunt hard, so
Speaker 1: how does that work out for you? Yeah? It's um,
Speaker 1: I get out a pretty good amount. UM. Usually try
Speaker 1: to get out at least one week night plus the
Speaker 1: weekends and plus about two weeks of vacation time a
Speaker 1: year for hunting. So you know, the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: I probably average probably average around like forty forty days
Speaker 1: a year I'm making out, which is, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: good for my situation. So yeah, that's awesome. Man. Now
Speaker 1: the long season helps with that too. I can I
Speaker 1: can hunt um all the way through the end of January,
Speaker 1: so that a little bit. So when you're when you're
Speaker 1: thinking about p A, when what time of year is
Speaker 1: your favorite? Are we coming up like you locked this
Speaker 1: late season stuff that we're looking at here, it can
Speaker 1: be good. Um. Ideally i'd like to have my buck
Speaker 1: tag build by now and p A since we're one
Speaker 1: buck eight, But it wasn't fortunate enough to UH to
Speaker 1: get a buck this year during our first archery season.
Speaker 1: So we're halfway through gun season now and I've still
Speaker 1: got my buck tag, which is a bad thing either
Speaker 1: because I do like hunting this time of year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: PA gets a lot of pressure on the public land
Speaker 1: during gun season, but it still can be good hunting. UH.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest things this time of year is
Speaker 1: like this is this is the best time of year
Speaker 1: for hunting the overlooked spots, if you're hunting public land.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is when pressure it's at its highest.
Speaker 1: And if you if you have a spot on public
Speaker 1: land that's overlooked, whether it's a spot that nobody thinks
Speaker 1: of close to parking or if it's just so deep
Speaker 1: that nobody wants to go to it, like, this is
Speaker 1: the time a year where you can do well at
Speaker 1: those spots. What's the weather like this time of year?
Speaker 1: Typically it's uh, you know, it varies a lot, honestly
Speaker 1: right now. Um, like this week we have some days
Speaker 1: with highs in the fifties, which is pretty warm, but
Speaker 1: a lot of times it'll be like lows will be
Speaker 1: in the twenties, highs will be like mid thirties, high thirties. Uh,
Speaker 1: those are kind of temperatures we look for right now.
Speaker 1: So like this morning was perfect. I wish I could
Speaker 1: have been out this morning. So yeah, you help. What's
Speaker 1: that Does snow help you or in this time of year? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: snow can definitely help. Like when I'm hunting up in
Speaker 1: up in the mountains in northern p A. We got
Speaker 1: some snow that's good for for tracking and being able
Speaker 1: to locate deer this time of year for sure, So
Speaker 1: I definitely look for that, you know, look for still
Speaker 1: look for those those cold mornings, those cold temps, and
Speaker 1: uh trying to find those overlooked spots or just just
Speaker 1: areas in general that haven't had pressure during gun season.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can combine those two things, you
Speaker 1: can still have some really good hunting here during gun season.
Speaker 1: How do you what's your best tip or two for
Speaker 1: finding if a soft spot. Essentially, if we're a place
Speaker 1: where pressure is non existent this time of year, I
Speaker 1: would look for places that are just hard to access,
Speaker 1: even if they're not far so, like a place where
Speaker 1: you might have to cross the creek or you might
Speaker 1: have to uh get through some really nasty stuff to
Speaker 1: get to the backside of maybe a public peace. Uh
Speaker 1: look for really steep terrain. A lot of our mountain
Speaker 1: bucks in this state this time of year will well
Speaker 1: really head to that steep stuff and people I don't
Speaker 1: really want to walk that stuff either, So these are
Speaker 1: definitely the things I look for, uh this time of year.
Speaker 1: How are you hunting steep terrain. Are you hunting a
Speaker 1: trail that's uh, you know, kind of run in parallel
Speaker 1: to the to the ridge or or how does that look? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sometimes that sometimes a trail on the top of the
Speaker 1: ridge that's running parallel with the ridge or Uh. A
Speaker 1: big thing too is looking for benches in that steep terrain,
Speaker 1: even it's just a very subtle bench, you know, just
Speaker 1: just a very narrow flat spot where those you're gonna
Speaker 1: gonna gonna run the side of a steep mountain. Uh.
Speaker 1: We key in on those and and have done well
Speaker 1: on those, and uh, you know, even even like for
Speaker 1: still hunting, like if you're gonna, um have a windy
Speaker 1: day or a rainy day where the leaves are wet
Speaker 1: and you're gonna cover some ground, try to try to
Speaker 1: find a buck if you just walk, you know, the
Speaker 1: top of a ridge looking down over the side, Um
Speaker 1: sneak along there and uh and try to find a
Speaker 1: buck that's bedded down on the side of the hill
Speaker 1: before he sees you, you know, or wins you. That's
Speaker 1: a good way to to you know, especially during gun
Speaker 1: season when when you've got the advantage to be able
Speaker 1: to reach out there a little bit more with some
Speaker 1: more range. Yeah, man, that's actually pretty exciting. It sounds
Speaker 1: like a fun hunt. So as you look forward to
Speaker 1: this mid December time period, what do you expect the
Speaker 1: bug movement to be? Like, I would say, coming up,
Speaker 1: I would give it like a six. Uh with the
Speaker 1: opening week of gun season pressure maybe dying off a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think it can can almost get better here.
Speaker 1: Uh later the gun season. Uh, you know, six still
Speaker 1: doesn't sound great, but maybe compared to uh, after after
Speaker 1: the first three days a gun season, I would probably
Speaker 1: rate the buck movement at only like maybe a two
Speaker 1: or three when they're feeling all that pressure. So, you know,
Speaker 1: compared to that a six, A six is pretty good
Speaker 1: compared to what we were seeing, you know, just a
Speaker 1: little bit ago. So I think absolutely, you know, if
Speaker 1: anybody it works every time, six, I mean that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Grant well, dude, I hope you are able to capitalize
Speaker 1: on that still available buck tag. Did you have their
Speaker 1: in p A man? I know that. Uh it's kind
Speaker 1: of a little bit uh maybe disheartening to still have
Speaker 1: a tag this time of year, but that means you
Speaker 1: get to hunt, dude, and that's exciting. So I hope
Speaker 1: you hope you can find a good one. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it, guys. Yeah, I hope so too.
Speaker 1: But like you said, hey, it's never a bad thing
Speaker 1: to still be able to be out there hunting. So
Speaker 1: gonna give it my best try here. Uh this last
Speaker 1: week a gun season and then in the late archery season. Awesome, man, Well, thanks,
Speaker 1: I appreciate the the info. Dude. Yeah, hey, thanks a lot. Guys,
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. I have got Justin Henry here. He
Speaker 1: is a hunter in Florida. Man, you've been uh taking
Speaker 1: some uh some liberty and going do a little hunting
Speaker 1: there in Florida, I believe, right, sir. Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 1: weather has been a little on the warm side, but
Speaker 1: still gotta get out when you can. Okay. So that's
Speaker 1: relative across the country. Tell me what warm weather is
Speaker 1: where you're at there in Florida for deer hunting. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, normally this time of the year, December mornings
Speaker 1: usually high fifties, and you know, the highs are usually
Speaker 1: about seventy to seventy five, and that's generally what it's been.
Speaker 1: And we've had the humidity has been kind of dissipating, y'all.
Speaker 1: In Texas. You all know all about that wonderful humidity.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so, uh we're actually looking forward to, um
Speaker 1: maybe some cooler weather this week. Possibly, not sure, good man. So, um,
Speaker 1: what time of the years, y'alls? Rut where you're at? Uh,
Speaker 1: Central Florida where I'm at is typically during our muzzle
Speaker 1: d season. So we'll call it mid October. Okay, got you?
Speaker 1: So you are on a post rut pattern down there
Speaker 1: where you at right now? So what are the what
Speaker 1: are the deer doing? Um? Really kind of think with
Speaker 1: the with the with the weather. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: they're always used to being hot, but it's it's it trickles,
Speaker 1: it's spotty. Um. You know, I say our rudd is
Speaker 1: is mid October, but it really I mean you could
Speaker 1: go across the street and there's pockets that could be
Speaker 1: three weeks later or so on and so forth. But UM,
Speaker 1: seen a lot of dose on camera. Talked to a
Speaker 1: few buddies, UM seem some smaller bucks nothing but sure
Speaker 1: has been poking and um A couple of guys did
Speaker 1: say the past two days though, that their cameras have
Speaker 1: been lighting up with some more mature deer on it.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking maybe they might start be start
Speaker 1: to daylighting a little more. Mm hm. So I got
Speaker 1: two questions here they're in the same vein. One is
Speaker 1: what kind of agriculture could these deer be using to
Speaker 1: feed on? When I think of post rut, I think
Speaker 1: of I think of food, right, And then the second
Speaker 1: one would be, well, you know, is there other native
Speaker 1: food sources as well that they're they would be keen
Speaker 1: on it and post post rout situation right now? So
Speaker 1: I went out Monday to hang some cameras and all
Speaker 1: I could hear was acorns draining still back into swamp.
Speaker 1: I'm still finding acorns all over the ground. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: we had some hurricanes that we were flooded out pretty
Speaker 1: bad and a lot of our low lying areas, but
Speaker 1: um acorns. I feel like right now we're still keen
Speaker 1: if they're if they're in their area and they're dropping,
Speaker 1: I feel like acorns are still um okay, is there?
Speaker 1: I mean, do think is there any planting that goes
Speaker 1: on in the agricultural space that of you know, it's
Speaker 1: a food source for deer or is it like sugarcane
Speaker 1: or what do you what do you got that that
Speaker 1: would be more South Florida. Okay, yeah, the more agg
Speaker 1: field type. I wouldn't even call him agg fields, but uh,
Speaker 1: the switch grass fields and the salt grass and things
Speaker 1: like that. That's kind of what we have patches of
Speaker 1: them in central Florida, but that's more South Florida. It's
Speaker 1: pretty much just woods or food plots. God, just so
Speaker 1: hurricane season pretty much lines up with deer season. How
Speaker 1: bad does that affect what you have going on? Do
Speaker 1: you think that since y'all did have a storm, they're
Speaker 1: kind of late October, does that mean that there's those
Speaker 1: that didn't get bread so the rut could be weird
Speaker 1: this year? You know, I haven't thought about that, but
Speaker 1: I do believe that possibly could be a possibility. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking to three day a three day occurrence where
Speaker 1: we had twenty of water in a twenty four hour period.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm sure that disturbed. Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it disturbed. Um moved into high ground quick leek um.
Speaker 1: So we had that much train last year. That was
Speaker 1: the first that was that was that was quite crazy. Actually,
Speaker 1: that was one of the worst hurricanes I've been through. Well,
Speaker 1: glad you made it. They are I mean, so as
Speaker 1: going forward. You know you're looking uh at kind of
Speaker 1: this mid December time period. What do you expect the
Speaker 1: deer to be doing right now? Um? I would have
Speaker 1: to say should start to pick up just a little bit,
Speaker 1: just looking at the weather forecast for the future. You know,
Speaker 1: the further we creep into December, usually the weather gets
Speaker 1: a little bit better. Um, so hopefully they'll uh maybe
Speaker 1: creeping in and out, you know, thirty minutes after daylight
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before y uh yeah, so that makes sense
Speaker 1: for late season pattern. Man, you just gotta try to
Speaker 1: find a place where there on their feet in shooting light. Right.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard. So uh last question here. If
Speaker 1: you had to rank buck movement for the next week
Speaker 1: on a scale of one to team, what would you
Speaker 1: think the Bucks will be doing? I might have to
Speaker 1: give it a six. Okay, all right, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: positive number. I like it six absolute absolutely yeah cool man. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for doing this, dude. Good luck down there, and
Speaker 1: since for Florida that's a that's a unique place you
Speaker 1: get to hunt, man, So I hope y'all can fight
Speaker 1: them skeeters off and find a good big buck down
Speaker 1: go black nights, right, I appreciate you. As you can see,
Speaker 1: the winter can bring some success. December can be a
Speaker 1: great month. So I would highly suggest getting out there
Speaker 1: and hunting a little bit. And I would also suggest,
Speaker 1: like I mentioned earlier, um, if you don't really know
Speaker 1: a lot about field dressing and or butchering your deer,
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