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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We have an amazing show for everybody today, extra amazing

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Speaker 2: Shows for to see. Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Did we do this pump?

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Speaker 2: That's right, indeed we do.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, I got to set up these topics. This is

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Speaker 1: always so difficult. It's Crystal's job. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the GOP primary. All right, we can start

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Speaker 1: off there. It's very similar to yesterdays show. Today is

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Speaker 1: actually the New Hampshire primary. The first six votes have

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Speaker 1: already been cast, all for Nikki Haley.

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Speaker 2: But don't worry.

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Speaker 1: It's a very very tiny little town. There are more

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Speaker 1: Democratic primary. Some weird stuff going on. I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Dean Phillips and Mary and Williamson, everybody's

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Speaker 1: closing pitch. We've got some of the ads and everything.

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Speaker 1: We've got actually a guest who's going to be joining

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Speaker 2: We've also got predictions. I forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: Crystal actually sent us her predictions, and Ryan and I

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Speaker 1: will give hours as well on how we think that

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Speaker 1: the night is going to go in the GOP primary.

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Speaker 1: There are some major developments in the Trump legal front

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Speaker 1: Trump truly is the luckiest man alive.

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Speaker 2: Ran on Israel.

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Speaker 1: Some crazy news just happening breaking overnight. Twenty one IDF

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Speaker 2: And that's good according to our strategist.

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Speaker 1: Finally, and of course Bill Ackman returns to the show.

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Speaker 1: We are gonna have a breaking segment tonight after we

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Speaker 1: get the results of the New Hampshire primary, and tomorrow

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and begin with the GOP primary. So

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Speaker 1: what exactly can we expect from tonight? We thought it

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Speaker 1: would be prudent, as always to give people a preview

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Speaker 1: of the closing pitch to New Hampshire voters. First, we're

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Speaker 1: going to listen to the front runner, Donald Trump. This

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Speaker 1: Let's take a list.

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Speaker 4: Americans were promised to secure retirement Nicky Haley's plan and.

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Speaker 3: Set social Security medicare. How would you manage the entitlements?

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Speaker 3: We say, the rules have changed.

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Speaker 5: We changed retirement age to reflecting life expectancy.

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Speaker 1: What we do know is sixty five is way too

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Speaker 4: That gay Least plan cut social Security benefits for eighty

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Speaker 2: Trump will never let that happen. I'm Donald J.

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Speaker 3: Trump and I approved this message.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting tactic there, Ryan. We're going to get into

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Speaker 1: some polling, but it appears to have worked. It's also just,

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Speaker 6: In twenty sixteen, it was one of the things that

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Speaker 3: For a generation.

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Speaker 6: It broke the Bush presidency when he tried to do it,

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Speaker 3: That was obvious.

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Speaker 6: Trump is good at recognizing what the public is for

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Speaker 6: And she can just use a clip of her saying

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've played it here. We showed it to

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Speaker 1: It didn't play over well with our New Hampshire GOP

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Speaker 1: focus group, if you guys will recall it was one

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Speaker 2: At breaking points.

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley has a Defending Democracy super pac running ads

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Speaker 1: of what the anti Trump position looks like in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: Here's the ad that they're have on the airwaves.

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Speaker 7: The new Pool shows Nicki Haley is now within striking

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Speaker 4: One state be Trump from winning the nomination New Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: One candidate can defeat Nicki Haley. Most Granite Staters want

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Speaker 4: to defeat Trump, but he'll win unless voters stand firm

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Speaker 4: behind a single alternative. That's why undeclared voters must go

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Speaker 4: Haley New Hampshire. We can't waste this opportunity to defeat Trump.

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Speaker 4: Defending Democracy Together is responsible for the content of this.

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Speaker 1: Advertising, Defending Democracy being one of those Bill Crystal groups.

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Speaker 1: The problem for Nicki Haley Ryan is that in general,

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Speaker 1: a perfect example of this, CNN actually was to going

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Speaker 2: A lot of them are saying, Biden, let's take a

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Speaker 4: Are you gonna do? That really puts me in a

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Speaker 2: Well, voted for him twice. I don't know that I

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Speaker 8: I would probably end up either voting for myself it's

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Speaker 2: Or for Biden.

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Speaker 1: Probably end up voting for myself or for Biden. I'm

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Speaker 3: She's younger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no shade, no shade at all. That's a totally

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Speaker 1: But you know, you just got to be honest that

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Speaker 1: It's just like, look, that's what a realignment looks like.

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Speaker 1: That's how Biden was able to win many GOP counties

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Speaker 1: because of these former Trump voters, largely white, largely college

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Speaker 6: But also this is not the NFL playoffs, This is

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Speaker 6: not single elimination. Yeah, Haley can beat Trump in New Hampshire, yes,

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Speaker 6: and he's still gonna romp everywhere else in the country.

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Speaker 6: So this this line that they have in the ad

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not true at all.

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Speaker 6: She can romp there tonight and it won't act. And

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Speaker 6: I don't even think she's not gonna romp.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Well, save a predictions, saving prediction. We do have another

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Speaker 1: funny clip just came across the radar. Had to play

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Speaker 1: Nicki Haley. This was an incident actually on her final

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Speaker 1: will you marry me? Nicky says, well, are you going

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 8: But you know what, we've got a lot on the

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Speaker 3: And you look at what's happening in this election.

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Speaker 2: Yes, are you going to vote for me?

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Speaker 1: Get out of here, Get out of Hereptils are off, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh well, there's some interesting questions around that, but we

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Speaker 1: In terms of the polling in all of that, this

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Speaker 1: to Nicki Haley and her alleged like skyrocketing, but some

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Speaker 2: The reason this is useful is it shows the November

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Speaker 1: Now note this, while Nicki Haley has gone from eighteen

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Speaker 1: forty six to fifty two. DeSantis allegedly seven to eight.

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Speaker 1: The poll was conducted around the same time that Desants

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Speaker 1: But let's say that we split the difference and we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's just such a problem for her.

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Speaker 6: The media hates social security yea like the media class,

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of wealthy people in Washington are

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean no, you're absolutely right, and that's part

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Speaker 1: I've got crystals here that I can read for everybody,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Desander's endors Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of work now, right in the campaigns

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Speaker 6: So maybe maybe I think Crystal's probably about right. Maybe

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Speaker 6: Dean Phillips pushes close to twenty. Maryanne pushes close to ten. Uh, ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: So at least there's some concern out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they don't know what the number over for

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Speaker 1: is going just the energy that we see. New Hampshire

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Speaker 2: No, who gives it? You know, like whatever they look

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Speaker 1: Freaking governor of the state indorsed ron de Sanders. How

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Speaker 1: much good did that do for him? So okay, you

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Speaker 1: know everyone's like, oh, Christian new New I'm like, all right, whatever,

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, right, So how they would vote for their

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Speaker 6: Own fares state, staring at polls show you down, showing

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly right, which was a head of Super two

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Speaker 6: that's four point, because if you're a Democrat, you can

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Speaker 6: either go out vote for somebody you don't really like,

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Speaker 6: vote for these two other candidates that are on the

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Speaker 6: ballot but you don't really have much passion for, or

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Speaker 6: you can mess around and maybe jump over into the

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Speaker 6: Republican primary and vote for Mickey Aleey. You don't really

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Speaker 6: like either, and it's not even going to matter because

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Speaker 6: Trump's going to win either way. So I think a

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Speaker 6: decent number of them stay home. On the other hand,

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Speaker 6: they have so much pride in their or little New

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Speaker 6: Hampshire primary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: But that's my thing is that though he certainly did so,

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Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's a chance there.

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Speaker 3: Could be a shockingly low number that's possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so let's go through the scenario.

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Speaker 1: So like very very low turnout, which would Biden win,

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Speaker 1: but maybe Dean over performance. There could be medium turnout,

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Speaker 1: which actually, again I would put Dean a little bit

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Speaker 1: higher up in there.

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Speaker 3: Here's the question too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we have Biden beating Trump in New Hampshire lately,

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Speaker 6: up by like five points or sites. Yeah, it'll be

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Speaker 6: interesting to see how many votes Trump gets compared to Biden,

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Speaker 6: and I think the media might pick up on that

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Speaker 6: because Trump could actually end up getting in a competitive

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Speaker 6: Republican primary more votes than Biden gets an uncompetitive one.

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Speaker 1: Right, and that would I mean Dan to a certain extent, though,

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Speaker 1: It's like, what is that we're comparing apples to oranges

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Speaker 1: because you've got a competitive primary versus non competitive primary,

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Speaker 1: so it's not exactly the best barometer, but yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: it's certainly something that we will look at. Like we said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have breaking news on that actually tonight, so

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Speaker 1: you can look forward to that, and then we will

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Speaker 1: also have a show tomorrow morning. All right, So let's

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Speaker 1: actually go to the Democratic primary. As we said, there's

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Speaker 1: a very strange thing happening in the state of New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: We've gotten a little bit of Inkling's Ryan about the

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Speaker 1: Biden campaign getting worried about this. Now they're telling people

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Speaker 1: to go and write in Biden, even though they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we don't actually care, but now we do care, so

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Speaker 1: panicking a little bit. And one of the instances you

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Speaker 1: could know this is that there are now robocalls with

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Speaker 1: deep fakes of Biden's voice actually telling people across the

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Speaker 1: state to not vote tomorrow because it's important that you

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Speaker 1: save your vote for the November election. Pretty sure it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work that way, but let's take a listen, and

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Speaker 1: again this is going out to a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to this.

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Speaker 10: You know the value of voting democratic on our vote count.

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Speaker 10: It's important that you save your vote for the November election.

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Speaker 10: Will need your help in electing Democrats up and down

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Speaker 10: the ticket. Voting this Tuesday only enables the Republicans in

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Speaker 10: their quest to elect Donald Trump. Again, your vote makes

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Speaker 10: a difference in November, not just Tuesday.

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Speaker 6: So it's a deep, deep fake Biden telling people not

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Speaker 6: to vote for Biden.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of this? So obviously these are

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Speaker 1: all these dark money groups. You never know who's actually

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Speaker 1: behind this stuff. I mean, I'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: it's connected to the DNC or whatever, but clearly someone

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Speaker 1: on behalf of Biden is putting this out for a reason.

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Speaker 1: If they don't want people to come out to.

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Speaker 6: Vote, why would somebody on behalf of Biden though, want

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Speaker 6: him not to vote so that they can say, well,

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Speaker 6: we didn't lose because we didn't try.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. I think they were.

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Speaker 1: I think they just want to or maybe maybe right,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a what you think it's an anti Biden

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Speaker 1: mary Anne?

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think that was That was actually Mary Anne's voice.

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Speaker 6: She was impersonating Biden. Yeah, I mean, it's just one

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Speaker 6: of those Phillips last night.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean already though this is getting attention. The

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire Attorney General is actually investigating whether this is.

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Speaker 2: A voter suppression.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it absolutely is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it definitely is.

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Speaker 6: There's First Amendment car about when it comes to election,

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Speaker 6: like deliberate misinformation around, Like you're not allowed to stay

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Speaker 6: voting day is Monday, right exactly when it's actually Tuesdays

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Speaker 6: unless you can prove to a jury that you really

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Speaker 6: are an idiot.

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Speaker 7: Didn't know?

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Speaker 6: But like that's illegal, Like what what you just heard?

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Speaker 6: Deep faking the president's voice and then telling them not

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Speaker 6: to vote. Also, it should be legal to make so

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Speaker 6: little sense. Yeah, it's a crime against logic. Yeah, you

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Speaker 6: can vote in both the primary and the general, like

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Speaker 6: the people do it all the time.

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Speaker 3: That is quite legal.

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Speaker 2: Here's what's a little weird, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: The message has a phone number at the end that

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Speaker 1: belongs to the former Democratic chair of the New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: primary who now runs a super pac which is supporting

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Speaker 1: the New Hampshire write in campaign for Biden.

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Speaker 6: So I mean that's probably somebody like planting drugs on somebody, Okay, right,

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Speaker 6: all right, Yeah, I think it's that's trying to point fingers.

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Speaker 1: So according to her, she says in an interview that

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Speaker 1: she began receiving Sunday evening calls for people who would

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Speaker 1: received the message. She says that she's had called her

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Speaker 1: and she was not a Biden supporter. She says that,

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Speaker 1: you know, they had nothing to do with it. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know exactly what's going on here,

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Speaker 1: but we can track it and we can just say

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Speaker 1: something is happening. There's definitely a voter suppression effort which

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Speaker 1: is going on in state. Let's put this up there

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Speaker 1: as well, which just shows you a little bit of

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Speaker 1: his panic. This is from the New York Times, and

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Speaker 1: again I want to get some of your analysis. They

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Speaker 1: say that while they are, you know, they don't care

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Speaker 1: necessarily about the New Hampshire ballot because they're not on it.

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Speaker 1: After moving the primary to South Carolina, quote, they are

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Speaker 1: still hoping that he will win, and by doing that,

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Speaker 1: they're actually spending a decent amount of money on the

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Speaker 1: right in So I'm curious what you think of this.

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Speaker 1: What what is this something that is coming back to

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Speaker 1: bite them? Are they actually panicking? You covered a lot

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Speaker 1: in terms of way they rigged the Democratic primary.

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Speaker 2: Give people some background on that.

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Speaker 6: And the background around this particular fight is that Biden

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Speaker 6: wanted to basically reward South Carolina, you know, for making

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Speaker 6: him president by making South Carolina the first primary. They

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Speaker 6: also punished Iowa, got rid of the Iowa caucuses after that.

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Speaker 2: One's fair, This one's yeah.

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Speaker 6: And also Iowa was helpful to Democrats because it was

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Speaker 6: a swing state for so long.

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Speaker 3: Not a swing state anymore.

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Speaker 6: We used to say that elections, you know, started in

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Speaker 6: Iowa and finished in Florida. Not true anymore. Both are

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Speaker 6: red states at this point, and so Iowa was gone.

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Speaker 6: New Hampshire then always first in the nation primary and

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Speaker 6: they would say, look, it's right in our constitution. They

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Speaker 6: love telling people that their constitution says they have to

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Speaker 6: be the first primary. That the DNC is like, we

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Speaker 6: don't really care what your constitution says, Like, we can

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Speaker 6: set the primary, and we're making the first one South Carolina.

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Speaker 6: New Hampshire said screw you, we're holding one anyway. And

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Speaker 6: so Biden was like, well, then I'm not going to

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Speaker 6: be on the ballot, Like we're not going to sanction this,

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Speaker 6: We're not going to participate in it. But it's so

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Speaker 6: ingrained in people's minds that if you even traveled to

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Speaker 6: New Hampshire to this day, even even though it's not

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Speaker 6: a sanqusd primary, Let's say six months ago somebody a

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Speaker 6: Democrat traveled to New Hampster. Oh look, look look at

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Speaker 6: that Gavin Newsom going in New Hampshire. Maybe he wants

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Speaker 6: to be president. So it's the mythology around it is

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Speaker 6: still locked into people's minds. And so as it gets closer,

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Speaker 6: and as Biden's numbers continue to plummet, they they reckoned

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Speaker 6: that they just simply could not withstand getting annihilated in

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Speaker 6: a state like New Hampshire that has this mythology around it.

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Speaker 6: So now right, you've got these Biden allities who're like,

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Speaker 6: we can't, we can't have this. We need to write

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Speaker 6: Biden in and then if we can writeing with Biden,

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Speaker 6: if we can we can get that going, then we

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Speaker 6: can show that there's that the grassroots support is really

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Speaker 6: there for him. It was New Hampshire that knocked LBJ out.

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Speaker 1: Yes that's right, I mean yeah, I mean there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of mythology around Hampshire. You can go both ways, right,

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Speaker 1: So New Hampshire is what saved Bill Clinton campaign back

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Speaker 1: in ninety two. New Hampshire is really the first state

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump ever won, so the two of them

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Speaker 1: have a lot of affinity for that. Iowa that's like

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Speaker 1: an Obama state. That's where Obama was able to launch

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, but he ended up losing New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things that famous Hillery famous.

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Speaker 1: There was also the Tabasco thing. Am I forget that

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Speaker 1: right around the same time. I think it was around

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Speaker 1: the same time. I'll never personally never forget that moment.

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Speaker 1: But let's get and think about some of the closing pitches. So,

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Speaker 1: as we already predicted, I think Dean is going to

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Speaker 1: actually do a little bit better than a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are expecting, just because his name is literally on

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Speaker 1: the ballot. And Dean gave his final closing argument in

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Speaker 1: a video that was posted yesterday to New Hampshire voters.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: Well, tomorrow was the big day, January twenty third, the

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Speaker 7: first in the nation primary right here in the Granite State.

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Speaker 7: I've spent the better part of the last three months

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Speaker 7: with so many of you Democrats, independents, Republicans, Libertarians, and

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Speaker 7: I just want to say thank you. It's been a

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Speaker 7: remarkable experience. I know how to do this. I'm the

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Speaker 7: second most bipartisan member of the entire US Congress. I

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Speaker 7: came from the business world where you could never succeed

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Speaker 7: by demeaning and endangering half of your customers.

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Speaker 9: You actually do the opposite.

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Speaker 7: You invite people, you listen to them, you learn them,

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Speaker 7: you welcome them. That's what I'm going to do as president.

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Speaker 7: We're going to solve these problems by working together. I'm

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Speaker 7: going to take what I learned here and spread it

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Speaker 7: all around the world, the way you practice democracy, what

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Speaker 7: you've shared with me, and most of all, how we're

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Speaker 7: going to fix it. So if you're ready for change,

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Speaker 7: I'm ready to be your president.

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Speaker 1: Just an uber normal pitch there. I mean, in a

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Speaker 1: sane world, I think something like that would have worked.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is Ryan. I mean, you know we

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Speaker 1: cover this before. MSNBC literally refuse to avisment on. He

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Speaker 1: still has not done an interview on the network, and

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Speaker 1: the reason why is MSNBC knows of the Democrats actually

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Speaker 1: trust the media. They are I've seen a few things.

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Speaker 1: The Financial Times had a piece on him the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal as well. Let's be real, like that's not

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Speaker 1: going to make any difference, Like it's all about television

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Speaker 1: and it's all just for especially for a lot of

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Speaker 1: these boomers, the world that they're living in is one

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Speaker 1: where and if it does not on linear TV, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And so Dean's had a rough time. He

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Speaker 1: had a campaign event where nobody showed up. But I'm

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Speaker 1: just not going to discount your name being on the balance.

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Speaker 1: I just think that's, you know, that's a massive strategic advantage.

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Speaker 6: He never made a case for like who he was

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Speaker 6: or why he was running. He started out with like

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Speaker 6: this Medicare for all and he was for free college,

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Speaker 6: and so you thought for a second that this guy

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Speaker 6: who had been this centrist kind of lawmaker is now

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Speaker 6: going to kind of run.

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Speaker 3: He sees like room to Biden's left.

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Speaker 6: That didn't really catch on because I think it's just

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Speaker 6: didn't map to him right, Like you see that closing ad,

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Speaker 6: where do you see medicare for all and like free

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Speaker 6: college fitting into that ad like I'm the most bipartisan

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Speaker 6: guy out there. And so after after that fell apart,

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Speaker 6: he goes back to on the bipartisan guy, and then

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Speaker 6: you're just Biden, except you know Cojin And at that

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Speaker 6: point you're like, well, we already have Biden, and if

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Speaker 6: your coach.

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Speaker 2: Is not a terrible pitch, I mean something, it could work.

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Speaker 3: People would have to know who he is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true, Like I think Biden, but Cogin could

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Speaker 6: be like a Newsome, but he's he's already understood to be.

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Speaker 3: Like a threat.

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Speaker 6: Like to get it, to get next to him, to

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Speaker 6: get onto MSNBC requires you to have a little bit

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Speaker 6: more kind of muscle behind you.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: We also have some video of Marianne Williamson in one

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Speaker 1: of her last campaign events that she posted yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to her closing pitch.

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Speaker 8: We have always been this kind of bipolar American mind.

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Speaker 8: We have always been this inherent struggle. It's in the

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Speaker 8: DNA of this country. Other generations rose up and they

682
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Speaker 8: responded to the Gilded Age. They responded to it with

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Speaker 8: the establishment of the labor movement. Other generations rose up

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Speaker 8: and they responded to institutionalize the president of black people

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Speaker 8: and segregation in the American South. I'm running for president

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Speaker 8: because it's our turn now.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we'll see how it goes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Marianne Crystal said this yesterday. I think it was totally

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Speaker 1: true on Israel, seems to just fumble the ball because

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Speaker 1: it's like, clearly that's an animating issue against Biden. Dean

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Speaker 1: is pro Israel from what we've seen in a Crystal's

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Speaker 1: interviews with him.

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Speaker 2: So obviously that's just something that's just on the table.

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Speaker 1: And now you've got the CEA Spire votes, which may

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Speaker 1: even draw away from Marianne. But by not making her

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Speaker 1: name synonymous with that, I think she risked the only

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Speaker 1: chance of cracking let's say seven to ten percent, which look,

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Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, that's not

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Speaker 1: just not going to cut it, period, It doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: But you know, if we're thinking about seven to ten,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot different. Seven to ten's a lot different

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Speaker 1: than three maybe four, Like, we don't know where that's

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Speaker 1: gonna ENDU.

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Speaker 6: I think there was absolutely a path for a credible

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Speaker 6: candidate to take a critical of Israel position over the

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Speaker 6: last three months and put real pressure on Biden. Separately,

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Speaker 6: this is another conversation we can have another time.

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Speaker 3: Be fascinating. If f RFK we're in that camp.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's a good that.

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Speaker 6: Would be, that that'd be and the parallels would be amazing,

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Speaker 6: you know to nineteen sixty eight and LBJ And I.

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Speaker 2: Mean I think you would win. I don't think there's anything.

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Speaker 6: He might win, but he's but he's like to the

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Speaker 6: right of Biden on Israel, so it's just not true

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Speaker 6: in the world of possibility.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those where I think you

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Speaker 1: would definitely win a New Hampshire primary just because again

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Speaker 1: a mighty ballot that's just wanted. He's already doing well

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Speaker 1: there anyway. So it's one of those where he decided

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Speaker 1: to go independent.

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Speaker 8: And I get it.

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Speaker 1: You know, the DNC was working against him and all that.

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Speaker 1: He just didn't identify with the party anymore. But you

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Speaker 1: cannot ever forget this. Getting on the ballot.

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Speaker 2: Is really hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the California does not want you on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: We were looking yesterday. It takes like one hundred and

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Speaker 1: something thousand signatures and look, the signature wars are nuts.

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Speaker 1: It requires you to get like thirty percent more than

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Speaker 1: you actually need because lawyers are going to challenge the

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Speaker 1: validity and even if you get totally legit ones if

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Speaker 1: you don't write legibly, or if you don't write the

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Speaker 1: proper address, or there's all kinds of legal tricksters that

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Speaker 1: the Republicans and the Democrats have used. Really tough in

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Speaker 1: these states. Yeah, I mean Texas, same thing. Good luck

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Speaker 1: getting on the ballot in some big states with thirty

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Speaker 1: forty fifty electoral votes like in these ones. And that's

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Speaker 1: what you actually need to really compete, you know, and

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Speaker 1: actually to draw some stakes away. So look, keep that

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Speaker 1: in mind as we continue to cover the RFK junior campaign.

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Speaker 1: Right now, he's only still on the ballot in Utah.

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Speaker 1: He's got some time, you know, he's got a little

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Speaker 1: bit of time, but some of the filing deadlines and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff are coming up. It takes a hell

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Speaker 1: of a lot of organizations. So final thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: Democratic primary tonight, what do you think?

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Speaker 6: It's a rare primary where I really don't know what's

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Speaker 6: going to happen because of all these different variables to

750
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Speaker 6: write in the absolute disgust with Biden, but the anemic

751
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Speaker 6: performance of his opponents, and so it just leaves, you know,

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Speaker 6: so much room for people to have to have a

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Speaker 6: bunch of difficult and like unpleasant decisions in front of them,

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Speaker 6: trying to express something into a system that doesn't want

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Speaker 6: to hear from them and doesn't give them a good

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Speaker 6: way to actually express anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I like I said, I think Dean will overperform a bit.

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Speaker 1: But in general, there's some tough you know, some tough

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Speaker 1: work right now just for everybody going against them. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: I think Biden's basically gotten away with rigging the primary.

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Speaker 2: I think it's unfortunate. You know, you basically got It's

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Speaker 2: just crazy.

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Speaker 1: You get to deem a state which by all means

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Speaker 1: is totally in the tank for you, with the most

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Speaker 1: machine politics arguably in the whole country, whenever it comes

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Speaker 1: to a primary and it's a red state, like both

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Speaker 1: of these primaries. First primaries should obviously be in actual

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Speaker 1: swing states. I've always thought Michigan was a great pick,

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Speaker 1: something genuinely fifty to fifty industrial working class.

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Speaker 2: Or you could go the other way.

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Speaker 1: You could say Super Tuesday should go first and everybody

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Speaker 1: should be forced to compete national But people just basically

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Speaker 1: rigging things for themselves.

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Speaker 2: It's not right. And you know, prior to Biden.

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Speaker 1: Nobody even dared to try, but you had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: decided to pick it. And I've said here before, wild

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Speaker 1: you know, if you can go into this too, Obama

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Speaker 1: will never happen again. That type of scenario. It will

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Speaker 1: never have the insurgent cannot win. If South Carolina is

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Speaker 1: going to be number one, it's going to be incredibly difficult.

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Speaker 6: If you got the establishment, it'd be very hard, but

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Speaker 6: it's not completely impossible. But the other thing that's changing

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Speaker 6: is that these races are now so national. Like even

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Speaker 6: back in two thousand and seven, when Obama is running

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Speaker 6: in Iowa, he could be a lot more popular in

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Speaker 6: Iowa than he could be nationally. Now, for the most part,

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Speaker 6: your national polls have a gravitational poll on your regional

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Speaker 6: and local polls. That the moments where you're going to

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Speaker 6: have somebody who's doing extremely well in a state but

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Speaker 6: not doing well nationally are basically gone because we are

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Speaker 6: now a national culture and a national media environment getting

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Speaker 6: because we're all in the same you know, slightly tweaked

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Speaker 6: feeds from TikTok, Twitter and everybody else. And so that

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Speaker 6: that's the other reason that you're not going to have

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Speaker 6: somebody that can kind of come come from nowhere, because

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Speaker 6: you have to have nat And the only reason that

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Speaker 6: Obama got the national numbers that he did was by

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Speaker 6: winning Ioway exactly that show that he could win. And

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Speaker 6: so then other people were like, oh, if he can win,

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Speaker 6: then I'm with him. But if you don't have that chicken,

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Speaker 6: if you don't have that egg, you can't get the chicken.

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Speaker 2: Very very very true.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Andrew Veolinsky. He is an organizer

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Speaker 1: and former new hand let me get this correctly, former

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Speaker 1: executive counselor in New Hampshire, and he is an organizer

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Speaker 1: in the right in Ceasfire campaign.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me absolutely so. Andrew, you sent

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Speaker 1: us a picture of your ballot. We're going to edit

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Speaker 1: it and put it up on the screen. You have

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Speaker 1: written in ceasefire there, and you've been an organizer in

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Speaker 1: kind of this last minute movement. We'll give us some

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Speaker 1: of the reasoning behind wanting folks to write in ceasfire

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Speaker 1: on the New Hampshire ballot as opposed to rallying around

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Speaker 1: a different candidate.

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Speaker 5: Well in New Hampshire first in the primary means first

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Speaker 5: in the nation. Primary means that we have a great

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Speaker 5: deal of responsibility to make our concerns known, and our

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Speaker 5: vote is our agency. I watched on October seventh as

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Speaker 5: the attack happened and hostages were taken in Heart and

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Speaker 5: then I kept watching in November and December, and I

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Speaker 5: saw the Israeli siege of Gaza, the destruction of the

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Speaker 5: healthcare system, the apparently indiscriminate bombing of non combatants, and

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Speaker 5: not enough response from the Biden administration. And so in

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Speaker 5: the middle of December, I penned a letter to the

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Speaker 5: editor telling everyone that I was going to write the

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Speaker 5: words cease fire on my ballot.

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Speaker 9: That's where it started.

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Speaker 5: About ten days ago, other people started reaching out to me,

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Speaker 5: and now this effort is taken off with coverage on

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Speaker 5: shows like Yours, Press Coverage and Politico, Nation, huff Post,

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Speaker 5: Al Jazeera are at the Boston Globe. It's really gotten

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Speaker 5: a bit of a life of its own, and we

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Speaker 5: hope to send a message to the president about our concerns,

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Speaker 5: in particular the violence that's happening perpetrated by the net

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Speaker 5: Yahoo government in.

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Speaker 6: The time between your letter to the editor being published,

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Speaker 6: and say ten days ago when you started to get

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Speaker 6: some modest financial support from around the country to actually,

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Speaker 6: you know, turn this into a real campaign. How much

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Speaker 6: traction had it gotten just kind of virally grassroots word

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Speaker 6: of mouth wise in those couple of weeks or are

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Speaker 6: we really only looking at the last ten days as

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Speaker 6: a serious effort.

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Speaker 5: So I have a decent following here in New Hampshire,

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Speaker 5: and so there was response by I would say the

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Speaker 5: people most interested in social justice issues in our state,

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Speaker 5: and some rather colorful responses complaining about my letter were

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Speaker 5: anatomically incorrect but.

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Speaker 9: Picked up.

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Speaker 5: Really, and this isn't just the influence of other people

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Speaker 5: in New Hampshire's primary focus really grows in that last

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Speaker 5: week to ten days and builds right through to the primary.

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Speaker 5: So the idea that it was somewhat limited and then exploded.

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Speaker 9: Isn't that unusual here?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 6: You recent you recently had the Secretary of State announced

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Speaker 6: that they actually would be tallying, you know, the number

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Speaker 6: of people who wrote in ceasefire. You've also had a

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Speaker 6: super pac called Democratic Majority for Israel has written to

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Speaker 6: the Secretary of State kind of urging them to reverse

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Speaker 6: that decision. So where does that stand when will we

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Speaker 6: learn how many people wrote in Ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: So I spoke directly to the Secretary yesterday late morning.

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Speaker 5: He told me that all the write in votes would

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Speaker 5: be counted and that he was intending to report both

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Speaker 5: the Biden write ins and the Ceasefire writ ins. Ceasefire

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Speaker 5: doesn't have a million two in a pack behind it.

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Speaker 5: Last night sometime Pro Israel Pack wrote to the Secretary

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Speaker 5: complaining that it was illegal to report the ceasefire results.

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Speaker 5: I disagree with their analysis. I've done election law in

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Speaker 5: New Hampshire for the last twenty five years. I don't

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Speaker 5: think they have a leg.

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Speaker 9: To stand on.

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Speaker 5: But there's been no announcement by the Secretary that he's

877
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 5: going to change his position, and I expect later this evening,

878
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 5: after the bulls close, the Secretary will announce the Ceasefire

879
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: writing votes.

880
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: Andrew, all we have you, it's the daily election and

881
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: all that. Just what's the feeling, you know, you were

882
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: elected in the state of New Hampshire. What is the

883
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: feeling there of being bypassed by the Biden White House

884
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: or by the DNZ by Biden and this current now

885
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: effort to do a write in campaign for Biden.

886
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: How does that make people feel voters there.

887
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: Well, I understand the arguments that a more diverse state

888
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 5: should go first, but someone that the DNC should have

889
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 5: looked at our laws. We have a particular statute that

890
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: says New Hampshire has to hold its primary seven days

891
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 5: before the next primary. Caucuses don't count. The Democratic Party

892
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 5: lost the governors raised state House, and the state Senate,

893
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 5: so it's all Republican controlled. There was zero chance that

894
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 5: the Republican controlled legislature was going to repeal that statute

895
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: to accommodate the DNC. It was probably one of the

896
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 5: dumber moves I've seen for the DNC to change the order,

897
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 5: not recognizing that the secretary of the state was legally

898
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 5: bound to hold the primary when he's holding it. So

899
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: it's been an odd primary. You've got this supposed small

900
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 5: time grassroots effort to write in the president, and then

901
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 5: Washington Post yesterday reported it's backed by a million two

902
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: in a pack. You have Republicans dropping in and dropping

903
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 5: out almost by the minute. So now that it's a

904
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 5: Haley and Trump race are very popular governor backing Hailey,

905
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: we'll see how that works out. You have two unknowns

906
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 5: running as Democrats, Dean Phillips and Mary Anne Williamson. There's

907
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 5: also an interesting comedian named Verman Supreme ballot and Vermin

908
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 5: Supreme's goal is to beat Dean Phillips.

909
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 9: So it's, uh, there you have it.

910
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 6: What's what's your sense of where the ceasefire votes are

911
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 6: going to come from? Are they pulling from Vermin Supreme?

912
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 6: Are they pulling from Biden? Mary Anne Dean?

913
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 3: Why not.

914
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 6: Endorse a candidate who's for a cease fire? What was

915
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 6: your thinking there? And what's your what's your go ahead?

916
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 5: And I have a follow that was intentional. I am

917
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 5: not interested in replacing Joe Biden. I didn't want to

918
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: support a person who would then be a threat to

919
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 5: the president in the no member election. I wanted him

920
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: to do better by recognizing the importance of this issue

921
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 5: in the one way that he seems to pay attention,

922
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 5: which is to the vote. So if we get people

923
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 5: to go out and actually mark their ballots with a vote,

924
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: we're in a position where President Biden can veto UN resolutions,

925
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 5: but he can't veto the vote. And this effort has

926
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 5: grown the another ten or fifteen states now looking at

927
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 5: repeating this effort of writing in ceasefire instead of backing

928
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 5: a third party candidate or a farm team candidate like

929
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 5: Phillipson and Williamson.

930
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 6: Interesting, what's your number in your mind as the votes

931
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 6: are counted that would be a success for you and

932
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 6: that would land for the president.

933
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 9: It's not a specific number.

934
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: So part of it starts with the coverage we're currently

935
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 5: receiving across.

936
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 9: The nation in a big way.

937
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 5: Turnout is supposed to be high on the Republican side.

938
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 5: It's not clear to me that it will be as high.

939
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 5: It likely won't be as high on the Democratic side.

940
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 5: So getting a number of votes enough that show up

941
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 5: that make a difference, I'll.

942
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 9: Be happy with that.

943
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: But quite frankly, given all of the attention that's been

944
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 5: paid to this and people now talking cease fire, why

945
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:31,919
Speaker 5: isn't the president doing more?

946
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 9: We've already won.

947
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 6: What kind of blowback have you gotten from other Democrats

948
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 6: over this? Because I've heard people complain that this is

949
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 6: going to give people the idea of November that they

950
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 6: should do this. So have you heard that from people?

951
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 6: And what have you heard?

952
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 9: Yeah?

953
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 5: So I'm being called an anti Semitic bigot a lot,

954
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 5: which is kind of amusing because I'm a former Synegogue

955
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 5: Sunday School teacher and I was president of our synagogue.

956
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 5: So it just shows you how quickly and how crass

957
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 5: people become. The organized Democratic leadership in our state has

958
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 5: put out all kinds of rumors that the votes won't

959
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 5: be counted, that we have a couple of special elections

960
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 5: in addition to the primary, that those votes won't be counted.

961
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 5: None of that is true. The votes will be counted,

962
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 5: and ceasefire has no impact on the local elections. We've

963
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 5: heard stories about how this is going to keep poll

964
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 5: workers laid into the night. I talked to the secretary

965
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: and he said, no, we count write INDs in the

966
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 5: usual course. This isn't that big a deal. It's basically

967
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 5: a one position race to today and we'll get the

968
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 5: votes out and we'll tally them and we'll report them

969
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 5: this evening.

970
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: Very very interesting stuff, sir.

971
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining us, and we'll be watching the

972
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: results tonight, so thank you very much. At the same time,

973
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: electoral wise, we always got to keep an eye on this.

974
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. Trump remains

975
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: the most blessed man in the US legal system. I mean,

976
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: the Georgia case Ryan was one where he had a

977
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: lot of problems. You know, there was not the same

978
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: constitutional questions around state election law. They genuinely can in

979
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: diet and prosecute whomever they want is because it's totally

980
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: under their purview in terms of how they view election interference,

981
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: et cetera. And the lead prosecutor there, Fanny Willis, seemed

982
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: to have a pretty good case.

983
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: She had one.

984
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: Look, regardless of whether you think it was legit or not,

985
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: she had people flipping, including Sydney Powell and all of

986
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: these other individuals who worked for Trump, and you know,

987
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: including his lawyer, and all of them were cooperating. Well,

988
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: it then comes out, you know, soon afterwards, just in

989
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: the last month or so, that the person that she

990
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: had chosen as the case is lead prosecutor may have

991
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: been involved in a tumultuous affair with Fanny Willis, all

992
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: stemming from his divorce case.

993
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: So let's just keep this up there so I can

994
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 2: read from it.

995
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: It says that the future of this election interference can

996
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: now hinge on a bitter divorce case playing out in

997
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: the suburbs of Atlanta, involving the case's lead prosecutor his

998
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: estranged wife and the testimony she is now seeking from

999
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: Fannie Willis, who the estranged wife says is his alleged paramour.

1000
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: Now it appears that this is going to actually be unsealed.

1001
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: Emergency court hearing just yesterday evening, the judge Is says

1002
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: that a decision on the question of whether Willis can

1003
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: be called as a fur testimony in this divorce case,

1004
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: Nathan Wade will be stayed. Now what this means is

1005
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: that right now the co defendant, one of Trump's actual

1006
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: co defendants. He's the one who unearthed this because he

1007
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: discovered that the two were quote having an improper, clandestine

1008
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: personal relationship that has now financially benefited both. I actually

1009
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: think the financial part of this Ryan could be some

1010
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: of the most damaging because this gentleman Nathan Wade, who

1011
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: Fanny Willis tapped, had very little experience and has now

1012
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: made hundreds of thousands of dollars paid by the state

1013
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: in legal expenses. So, I mean, this is you know,

1014
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: classic problems for dismissal that could be challenged, especially if

1015
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: something like this comes out Willis herself, I mean, is

1016
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: one where look, you should always say this with a Granssalt.

1017
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: But here's what the ex or the strange wife says.

1018
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: She says Willis is trying to hide under the shield

1019
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: of her position to avoid testimony. We are not seeking

1020
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: her position. Deposition is the disrettorney of Fulton Counting. We're

1021
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: seeking the deposition and individual capacity is the alleged paramore

1022
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: of my client's husband. So whatever her job is, it

1023
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with whether or not she should

1024
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: have to sit for a deposition. Now, Fanny Willis's attorney

1025
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: says that the knowledge that she may or may not

1026
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: have about Wade in his marriage quote is not unique.

1027
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: You have got two parties in this case, one that

1028
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: is alleged to have an extra marital affair. If that's

1029
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: the case, If that is true, Nathan Wade has that

1030
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: information so pretty nowhere their own attorney and not dying

1031
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: that this is true, which I mean to me, it

1032
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: seems pretty true allegedly for missus Willis's lawyers. I'm just saying,

1033
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, for my own reading of the facts are

1034
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: publicly available, which you have not disputed. It's not looking

1035
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: good for you. I mean, I can't believe this, Ryan,

1036
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: I said this time time. Chrystal It's like what Trump

1037
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: has truly been touched by God? Like there's no other explanation,

1038
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: and I don't even believe that God.

1039
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like the Georgia case was always to me the

1040
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 6: biggest threat to Trump.

1041
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: This is the go find me the votes case.

1042
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 2: I ad to unbelieved.

1043
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 6: This is the one where he's straight up got on

1044
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 6: a call with the States Yeah, Secretary of State, and

1045
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 6: instructed his team find me eleven thousand x number of

1046
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 6: votes so that we flip this thing I become president.

1047
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: Right. Just seems like blatant criminality on tape.

1048
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 6: And like you said, she's a hard charge prosecutor. She's

1049
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 6: got people flipping, she's got people ready to testify. Grand

1050
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: jury's ready to go, and then boom. Because Trump doesn't

1051
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 6: have to necessarily win here, what.

1052
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: Trump needs to do is to exactly raise question.

1053
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 6: Delay this long enough that it's too close to the

1054
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 6: election and you can't can't prosecute it anymore. There's nothing

1055
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 6: better than a divorce case when it comes to opposition

1056
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 6: researchers and the journalists who are looking to dig into

1057
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 6: public figures, because that is when it all comes out. Now,

1058
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 6: you also have to take everything with a great herself.

1059
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm couching it, like, well, this is the guy's

1060
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: ex or a strange life.

1061
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 6: There's nobody, nobody more motivated than somebody filing, you know,

1062
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 6: a divorce case ages because divorces are all divorces are hard.

1063
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 6: But divorces that wind up in court where filings are public,

1064
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 6: that's like the top ten percent of divorces because they've

1065
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 6: gone past the place where you're going to amm aclude

1066
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 6: settle anything, going past the place where even just going

1067
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 6: to go to court. You're now like airing everybody's dirty laundry,

1068
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 6: and in some cases you're just making up dirty laundry

1069
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 6: and airing it like that absolutely happens, but like you said,

1070
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 6: doesn't look good in terms of in terms of the response. Now,

1071
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 6: what does this have to do with the case, you know,

1072
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 6: not really anything in the sense that like that doesn't

1073
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 6: change the kind of facts of the case of what

1074
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 6: Trump did or what the prosecutor has she had Fanny

1075
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 6: Willis at her defense, she said, look, there's there are

1076
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 6: three you know, you know, main primary attorneys that I've

1077
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 6: hired on this case, all friends of mine, a black man,

1078
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 6: a white man, and a white woman. It's unfair that

1079
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 6: they're only coming after the black man and accusing me

1080
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 6: of this, you know, improper relationship. On the other hand,

1081
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 6: a lot of people are saying, you know, as Trump

1082
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 6: would say.

1083
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: Many people are saying, yeah, I.

1084
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 6: Mean here's the thing that it's like, let's part yeah,

1085
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 6: go ahead, guy, No.

1086
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean I mean more in looking at this. They

1087
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: allegate like she's not denying some of the substances of

1088
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: this stuff. For example, the man's been paid six hundred

1089
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and fifty grand charging the state of Georgia.

1090
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: Now also the travel stuff.

1091
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Speaker 1: Is this is what I was about to get to.

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Speaker 1: They say that there were many questions about trips that

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00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: mister Wade paid for and took with miss Willis. As

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00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: county officials are prohibited from receiving anything of value from

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00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: people doing business with the county. So literally, if he

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00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: paid for a hotel room or something that she happened

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00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: to be and again allegedly that if she did not

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00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: immediately reimburse him for that half, or she took trips

1099
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: or accepted airplying tickets and all these things. This is

1100
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: cut and dry corruption stuff, and these laws are in

1101
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: place exactly for a reason. Now maybe she can make restitutions,

1102
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: she can pay it back or something like that. But

1103
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: again we're talking in the court, not only of public opinion.

1104
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: We're talking about in courts of law. This is the

1105
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: exact type stuff. And get a case thrown out or

1106
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: they can delay it. Like you said, if you get

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00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: the lead prosecutor removed from a case, and you know

1108
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: so much is going to happen now legally in terms

1109
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: of pushing that back. If you push it back after

1110
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four deadline, boom, now Trump literally could

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00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: be the president again.

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Speaker 2: Now he's got immunity. There's all kinds of different things going.

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Speaker 6: On, right, lead prosecutor plus one of the top three

1114
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 6: kind of secondary prosecutors. But yeah, if you take the romance,

1115
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 6: the potential romantic relationship out of it, these are standard

1116
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 6: kickback laws, like in other words, a prosecutor cannot pay

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00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 6: somebody or any state OFFICI. You can't pay somebody and

1118
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 6: then they give you ten percent back. That's a kickback. Yes,

1119
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 6: that's those are banned. And so if there is evidence

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Speaker 6: of him kicking things back to her, that falls under

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Speaker 6: the kickback laws, even if it wasn't a kickback, because

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00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 6: you know, she wasn't she wasn't paying him so that

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Speaker 6: she would get paid.

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Speaker 3: She was, she was, They were just going on trips.

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Speaker 1: Together, allegedly, irregardless, Like you pick somebody, it's still illegal.

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00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 2: Allegedly.

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00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: You know, you got a personal relationship with and you're

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00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're getting them, putting them in a nice,

1129
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Speaker 1: cushy job. We don't have a lot of expirity ground

1130
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: since every thousand was.

1131
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: A lot of money.

1132
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a lot of money. That's one of those Yeah,

1133
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe you had to pay an associate. Okay, still pocket

1134
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: in a decent amount of that. And that's only just

1135
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: so far. If the case goes to trial, I mean,

1136
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: who knows, it could be making a million plus of

1137
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars. So keep in mind that this is just

1138
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: one of Trump's legal issues. Don't forget. He's also got

1139
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: another one coming. Let's put this up there. This is

1140
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: actually gonna happen on Wednesday, which is kind of interesting.

1141
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: The defamation trial round two, by the way, is happening

1142
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: now with Egen Carroll delaying Trump's possible testimony. The judge

1143
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: who is overseeing Trump's defamation trial has actually delayed those

1144
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: proceedings after the Tuesday primary contest where this was complicated

1145
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: because it meant that Trump was supposed to actually offer

1146
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: testimony in his own defense, in the testimony or in court.

1147
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: His lawyer said, my client reminded me tomorrow's the New

1148
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: Hampshire primary. He needs to actually be in New Hampshire.

1149
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: Seems to be, you know, a decent enough excuse. A

1150
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: lawyer actually for Egen Carroll then objected to the delay,

1151
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: saying that they want to get this over with, Can

1152
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: you give people a little bit of a you know,

1153
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: come up with some background on the case, like with

1154
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: each because this is the second defamation trial, and I

1155
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: guess we should remember they found that what they found

1156
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: that he defamed her. They did not find that they

1157
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: any substance of the claim that he raped her.

1158
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: Okay. So but this is where it gets, you know,

1159
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 2: I confused.

1160
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 6: Well, they found that there's enough evidence right that her

1161
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: claims are solid, okay, and that him that his attacking

1162
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 6: her over making those claims is defamation.

1163
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: Got it, and laid a giant judgment on him for it.

1164
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 6: He immediately defamed her after that judgment.

1165
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: Right and according to the court, Yeah, according to the

1166
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: court corney or lawsuit, Yes, exactly right.

1167
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 6: Well and also like I'm to take to take a

1168
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 6: victory lap. He put out a statement like right afterwards,

1169
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 6: and immedia I think it was on this show.

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Speaker 3: I was like, that's the same defamation that he just.

1171
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 6: Got nailed for, Like, there's no difference between what he

1172
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 6: just said and what the court just said is defamation.

1173
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: And so this time.

1174
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Speaker 6: When he went back to court, they skipped the whole trial,

1175
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Speaker 6: the whole fact finding part of you know, was their

1176
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Speaker 6: sexual assault. They said, we've already decided that there was

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Speaker 6: and so now the question is these comments do they

1178
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 6: count as defamation? So they so they skip that and

1179
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 6: if he he could pay, you know, he's gonna get

1180
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 6: hit with another judgment after that.

1181
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: He might keep the fam here, just keep going back

1182
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:17,959
Speaker 3: because like.

1183
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 2: Well how much are these judgments?

1184
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 3: So millions? Yeah, I mean millions.

1185
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 6: Now if is he ever going to pay is a question.

1186
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was an enormous amount of money. Okay,

1187
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 6: many millions.

1188
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you'll get his supporters to pay for it,

1189
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: like he did with the Stop the Steal.

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00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you canal defense fund right, Sure he can't.

1191
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure he could. They can find

1192
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: a way. So it's one of those.

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: Where it probably just never pay stronger. He put out

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00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: a truth social let's put this up there. Here's what

1195
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: he had to say. He says, I traveled laced last

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00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: night from the state of New Hampshire to New York

1197
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: to attend one of the crooked Joe Biden's inspired which

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Speaker 1: hunt trials. Despite the fact that I was there on

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Speaker 1: time and on schedule, it was then learned that one

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00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: of the jurors not feeling well, and for that reason,

1201
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: today's session, having to do with a woman I know

1202
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: nothing about out has therefore canceled, with a new date

1203
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: to be determined. All of these various Biden political opponent

1204
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: trials just happened to be starting with great purpose in

1205
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: the middle of what will be the most election important

1206
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: election in the history of our country. They could have

1207
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: all began years ago or years after that, but certainly

1208
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: not during the election. In actuality, they should never should

1209
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: have been brought at all, because I have done nothing wrong.

1210
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: It is what it is. I will do what I

1211
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: have to do.

1212
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: All I ask is for fair judges and juries, and

1213
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: I will win every single one of them.

1214
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 2: So that's what the manhatt says.

1215
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 6: Go ahead, to back up his one of his wild

1216
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 6: claims here, he says these are Biden inspired which Hunt trials.

1217
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: It is true that Reid.

1218
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 6: Hoffman funded the billionaire supporter of Biden, an opponent of Trump,

1219
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 6: more an opponent of Trump than he is a supporter

1220
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 6: of Biden, financed the laws, financed her lawsuit. R Like

1221
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,479
Speaker 6: that's a fact. Like that is a fact. The judge

1222
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 6: and jury has still found him reliable for it, though, Yeah,

1223
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 6: very important point. So anyway, that's what we got Trump's

1224
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 6: latest legal rank. Don't forget I left out the business case.

1225
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: What else?

1226
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: We have the January sixth case, we have the documents case,

1227
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: we have this case e Gene Carrol. I believe it

1228
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: was the Star case too. I forgot it one still

1229
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: forgot about that one. And so yeah, anyway, I think,

1230
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: what is it? Some ninety one criminal charges and all that,

1231
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: and he's got to run the table on all of them.

1232
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a tough bet, but we'll keep you

1233
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: guys updated. As I said, though, there's no there's no

1234
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: luckier man in this world than Donald Trump whenever it

1235
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: comes to legal matters. In many ways, I honestly feel

1236
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: like he he's like some sort of like magical material

1237
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: which absorbs his opponents strength.

1238
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just like he's certainly the only president

1239
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 6: in modern memory that looked younger when he left office.

1240
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: It's very true.

1241
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: He's like the sort of gryffindor y Harry Potter nerds

1242
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: who are out there. All right, let's move on to Israel.

1243
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: Some very very serious news that we can report this morning.

1244
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: A stunning incident happening in Gozia. Let's go and put

1245
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. We have the IDF confirmed.

1246
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: You know, this says twenty one Israeli soldiers actually been

1247
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: revised this morning to twenty four Israeli soldiers killed as

1248
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: they were rigging two buildings in southern Gaza with explosives.

1249
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: Hamas attacked nearby tank with RPGs and explosions in the building,

1250
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: causing the buildings then to collapse on top of the soldiers.

1251
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: This is according to the IDF.

1252
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: The Israeli soldiers have routinely supposed these celebratory videos on

1253
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: social media of themselves celebrating and laughing while doing control

1254
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: demolitions of Gaza neighborhoods and others, just as noted by

1255
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: Jeremy Scahill. I mean, we don't know yet much about

1256
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: the incident, Ryan, but what's your immediate reaction to this?

1257
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: This is this is some crazy stuff. The single deadliest

1258
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: incident so far in the war on Gaza for the

1259
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: for the IDF in.

1260
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 6: This war, right, This comes after they have claimed to

1261
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 6: have kind of operational control of major parts, if not all,

1262
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 6: of Gaza, which clearly is not the case. No, if

1263
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 6: if they're if Hamas is able to you know, launch

1264
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 6: an attack on a tank right near a building that

1265
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 6: they're trying to do a controlled demolition on. We'll talk

1266
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 6: about this later, but we have seen an enormous number

1267
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 6: of kind of TikTok videos and Twitter videos of soldiers,

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01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 6: like Jeremy said, celebrating these controlled demolitions of just absolute entire.

1269
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: We're going to we actually have universities. Let's let's play.

1270
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 3: Let's play some of the clips that have gotten people.

1271
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I can narrate some of these. Our

1272
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: team went ahead and compile. This appears to be people

1273
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: who are IDF soldiers who are joking about finding sneakers

1274
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: and opening a Nike store actually in the Gaza strip,

1275
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: going through some of the rubble. This one here again,

1276
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: these are all TikTok videos that they're openly posting inside

1277
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: of a classroom, kind of mocking the fact that it's

1278
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: an empty classroom. This is just you know, it's like

1279
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: kids with guns screwing around on kids bikes rolling around

1280
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: inside of a house.

1281
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 3: And kids have been falling to evacuate.

1282
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: This is where think, this is where things start to

1283
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: get become great question marks about the literal like discipline

1284
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: with than the IDF. I mean, these are guys like

1285
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: doing just demolition with target practice with the shoulder fired rockets.

1286
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: And then here you've got a guy just literally unloading

1287
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: his clip into a wall. I believe they're calling it

1288
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: the war on walls on social media. I'm just complete

1289
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: like lack of discipline fired. I mean, I just can't

1290
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: imagine what would happen to a US military soldier or

1291
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: service member serving in Iraq from you know, within their

1292
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: own command, if they were to conduct themselves like this

1293
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: in a single incident. And so look to Israel, all

1294
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: we can say is war of occupation. Welcome to it.

1295
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to bomb stuff, It's a lot

1296
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: harder when you got people on the ground and it's

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01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: not a surprise to me Ryan that the single deadliest

1298
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: incident comes what months into the war, allegedly in a safeestone,

1299
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: and the lack of discipline and training that these guys

1300
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: have is genuinely stunning to me, Like, how do you

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01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: lose twenty four guys in a single incident.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think, just off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: I believe the only time the US military whatever stuff

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Speaker 1: are casualties like this was like a terrible once in

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Speaker 1: a decade, some bunch of Navy seals and a helicopter

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Speaker 1: r you know, Operation Red Wings like comes to mind,

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Speaker 1: and that's where a whole bunch of stuff goes completely wrong.

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Speaker 2: This is not supposed to happen Jack period.

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Speaker 1: You know, in general, a lot of little things that

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Speaker 1: go into tactics and to the way that your command

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Speaker 1: and all that is organized. But it's not lost on

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Speaker 1: me that twenty one of the twenty four are confirmed

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Speaker 1: reservists who were quote working to remove buildings and other

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Speaker 1: infrastructure near the border, for example, Army combat engineers and

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Speaker 1: all those. They suffered a lot, you know, with IEDs

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Speaker 1: and others. So I would just say, itt Israel, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you broke it now you bought it, and

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Speaker 1: now you signed yourself up for This is the future.

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Speaker 2: This is what the future is going to look like.

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Speaker 2: But don't forget too. This is a small country.

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Speaker 1: You only got nine million people that's not marry military

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Speaker 1: age males and or females. People in Israel are going

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Speaker 1: to be pissed about this already. The Prime Minister Neatsayahu

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Speaker 1: has ordered an investigation into this. It reminds me of

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Speaker 1: an incident that we covered here previously, Ryan, where it

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Speaker 1: was like ten IDF soldiers were killed in a single incident.

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Speaker 1: It's like literal amateur hour you're reading this, It's like

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Speaker 1: one guy, a couple guys wandered off, they get pinned down.

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Speaker 1: Then you know, some Klonel for some reason is like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and help all of them get

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Speaker 1: wiped out in like fifteen minutes. Again, like this does

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Speaker 1: not happen in the US military, and their total lack

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Speaker 1: of discipline and others is really coming back to bite them.

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Speaker 1: But it also just demonstrates like you can lose a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, two hundred and seventeen is

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Speaker 1: a total acknowledged death toll by the IDF. We don't

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Speaker 1: know what the real one is, and we definitely don't

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Speaker 1: know what the wounded number is. But the longer this

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Speaker 1: goes on, and the longer and longer, you've got troops

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Speaker 1: in there that's going to keep on going, and you

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Speaker 1: got do you lose twenty four guys, you know, even

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Speaker 1: in a month, you know, you start to do the math,

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Speaker 1: and we start to think about the toll that's going

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Speaker 1: to take on the Israeli military.

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Speaker 6: The IDF is trained and practiced as an occupation army,

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Speaker 6: like most mostly in the West Bank or stationed around

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Speaker 6: the Gaza envelope. But in the West Bank they are

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Speaker 6: raiding homes of mostly unarmed Palestinian civilians. They can't fight

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Speaker 6: that they are. They're arresting unarmed Palestinians. Occasionally, once in

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Speaker 6: a while there's there's actual live fire, you know, in

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Speaker 6: Jeanine or elsewhere, but it's not as if they're running

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Speaker 6: up against kind of a trained, a trained military insight,

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Speaker 6: and certainly not one you know, that has has had

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Speaker 6: years to kind of build a tunnel infrastructure that that

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Speaker 6: they that they can you know, exploit against an invading force.

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Speaker 6: And this is all happening as Netanyahu keeps signaling that

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Speaker 6: he's going to launch some type of ground invasion against

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Speaker 6: southern Lebanon.

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Speaker 3: You're like, like, what you can do is you can

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 6: Occupy the West Bank with the help of the Palestinian

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Speaker 6: authority and you can lose the help of the Palestinian

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Speaker 6: authority to do that.

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Speaker 3: Uh, they're in big trouble.

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Speaker 6: And yes, and you can you can bomb Gaza, you know,

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Speaker 6: back to the Stone Age. You can kill tens of

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Speaker 6: thousands of civilians under underneath rubble. But you're not You're

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Speaker 6: not a military that it's that's equipped to do this

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Speaker 6: type of thing. There's a column in Aretz this morning

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Speaker 6: calling out this discipline that you just mentioned and warning

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Speaker 6: that the army risks losing control, complete control of these soldiers.

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Speaker 6: Then the columns has warns that there could be the

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Speaker 6: formation out of this of basically gangs of like paramilitaries,

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Speaker 6: because you've got all of these armed young men who

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Speaker 6: are posting on social media criticism of their superiors, both

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Speaker 6: civilian and military, and then getting cheered on by the

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Speaker 6: Ben Gavier's and the other hard right elements of the government,

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Speaker 6: and that has the potential to just spiral out of control.

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Speaker 6: Like once you have if you have lost these soldiers

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Speaker 6: and they feel like they can just publicly tell you, you

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Speaker 6: know where to shove it, and they have allies in

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Speaker 6: this factional coalition, that's a recipe for a Lebanon style debacle,

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Speaker 6: like a fail like there is a risk of a

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Speaker 6: failed state here.

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Speaker 2: Now that's a great, great point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of this why our military is professional.

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Speaker 2: It's all volunteer and they spend.

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Speaker 3: A lot tolerated first seconds. I remember TikTok.

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Speaker 1: I think there was an incident where guys in Syria

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Speaker 1: were wearing like they're they were posting their running data

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Speaker 1: to Strava and it was used at one point and

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Speaker 1: immediately they were like, all right.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's banned from Strava. It's not gonna happen like that's

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Speaker 2: like nobody's banned TikTok. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: It's a stunning to me, genuinely, just given how much

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Speaker 1: this is playing. Maybe they just don't care, or maybe

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Speaker 1: because it's a reservist military, they don't want to put

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Speaker 1: too much pressure on them.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know what you guys are doing.

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Speaker 6: Their entire social medi accounts that are just monitoring TikTok's

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Speaker 6: and just reposting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just played it here on our show. It's nuts.

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Speaker 1: On top of that, there's some major diplomatic news. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up there.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Israelis are proposing a two month fighting pause in

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Speaker 1: Gaza aka ceasefire in exchange for the release of all hostages. Israel,

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Speaker 1: they say, is given Hamas this proposal through the Katari

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Speaker 1: and Egyptian and mediators that would include two months fighting

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Speaker 1: in pause as part of a multi phase deal that

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Speaker 1: would have the release of all remaining hostages inside of Gaza.

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Speaker 1: You still have one hundred and thirty hostages or still

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Speaker 1: that are being held, including some IDF soldiers. This is

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Speaker 1: including apparently Presidential Advisor Brett McGirk, who was in Egypt

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Speaker 1: on Sunday and helping work with the Kataris.

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Speaker 2: In general, I just want your overall analysis on this.

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Speaker 1: Apparently the Israeli War Cabinet approved this type of parameters

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Speaker 1: about ten days ago and have been communicating it. The

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Speaker 1: CIA Director William Burns has been involved as well. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, Ryan about the prospects for something like this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, usually I would say if you're not firing

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Speaker 1: for two months. It's pretty hard to turn those guns

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Speaker 1: back on.

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Speaker 2: That said, this is.

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Speaker 1: All we're talking about, So I don't think they necessarily

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Speaker 1: care if you're Hamas, do you take this deal?

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Speaker 2: Do you not take the steal?

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Speaker 3: What do you think the other thing that they have proposed.

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Speaker 6: And it's not clear if this is a kind of

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Speaker 6: requirement that Hamas accept this or not, but they said

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Speaker 6: they would offer quote unquote safe passage to Hamas leaders

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Speaker 6: outside of Gaza elsewhere. That brings back nineteen eighty two

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Speaker 6: if you remember this history, after Israel invaded Lebanon to

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Speaker 6: try to clear out the ploy, Israel got an agreement

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Speaker 6: from the Palestinian leadership that they would leave for Tunisia

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Speaker 6: and elsewhere. There were international monitors, that international forces that

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Speaker 6: came in, and the deal that the PLO and Israel

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Speaker 6: cut was that the international forces would remain to protect

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Speaker 6: the civilian population. Because Israel had the diahea doctrine had

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Speaker 6: been attacking the civilian population to put pressure on the

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Speaker 6: to put pressure on the Lebanese to then put pressure

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Speaker 6: on the PLO to leave.

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Speaker 3: That worked.

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Speaker 6: As soon as the PLO left, the international forces left,

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Speaker 6: Israel and its proxies engaged in absolutely horrific civilian massacres

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Speaker 6: in southern Lebanon massacres that that were that involved Ariel

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Speaker 6: Sharon and like you ministers, this is like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 6: not talking, we're talking. This is Wikipedia level stuff here.

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Speaker 6: And so that wasn't that.

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Speaker 3: Long ago for these folks.

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Speaker 6: So if you're you know, in your fifties and sixties

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Speaker 6: and you're a Palestinian, you know you were ten or twenty,

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Speaker 6: you know when this, when this happened, you remember this,

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Speaker 6: and so hearing again, hey guys, as long as your

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Speaker 6: leadership leaves, don't worry. You know we're going to cut

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Speaker 6: a deal. Everything is going to be fine. You remember that.

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Speaker 6: And so also you know that Israel is going to

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Speaker 6: hunt you down or anywhere around the world, so you

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Speaker 6: can get safe passage to Tunisia or they're going to.

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Speaker 3: Cut to it, but they're going to try to get

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Speaker 3: you anyway.

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Speaker 6: So you're actually maybe even safer bizarrely in Gaza, even

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Speaker 6: though nobody's safe.

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Speaker 2: It's a Gordian knot and it's not a good situation.

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Speaker 6: I think that's like the easy I think it shows

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Speaker 6: that Israel is under insane amounts of pressure too to

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Speaker 6: actually focus for now on the hostages, which they have

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Speaker 6: not been doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good segue. Guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little bit out of order here,

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Speaker 1: but can we please put d E four on the

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Speaker 1: screen so I can narrate it a bit. This is

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Speaker 1: showing the families actually of hostages in Gaza storming into

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Speaker 1: a Kannesset meeting, which is their parliament, demanding an end

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Speaker 1: to the war and a deal. Immediately they say, quote,

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Speaker 1: you will not sit here while our children die. And

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Speaker 1: clearly you can also see there's some signs there in Hebrew.

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Speaker 1: Many of these are family members. I mean they're literally

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Speaker 1: storming the meeting and taking over the entire thing, faces

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Speaker 1: and others of those who have not yet been released.

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Speaker 2: This is a tough, tough situation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just demonstrates as well the disconnect in

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Speaker 1: the Israeli war cabinet between those like Gavie Smo Trick

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Speaker 1: and Netting On to a certain extent where they want

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Speaker 1: the war to continue. They don't care about the hostage.

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Speaker 1: They can say they want to, but they haven't saved

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Speaker 1: a single one. The only thing they've done is shot

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Speaker 1: three of them that we know. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then in terms of the bombing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know, ask the hostages who were

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Speaker 1: released to say that they were bombed.

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Speaker 2: So there's that we can keep that in mind.

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Speaker 6: There was a mother on Facebook of a hostage who

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Speaker 6: said that there the autopsies showed that her son was

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Speaker 6: killed by like a poison gas attack inside a tunnel.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: So there's enormous amounts of pressure from these families on

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Speaker 6: on the net Yahoo government to take the lives of

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Speaker 6: the hostages seriously. And at the very beginning you but

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Speaker 6: you had Smotris, she had Ben Gaverer saying we need

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 6: to not care over much about the hostages. We need

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01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 6: to be ruthless in how we wage this. Uh the hand,

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Speaker 6: the kind of a mass version of the Hannibal directive,

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Speaker 6: which is which is that you know, hostages are too

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Speaker 6: costly politically for Israel, and so it's better it's better

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Speaker 6: that they're they're they're killed before they can become hostages.

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Speaker 6: Like that's the Hannibal theory, the Hannibal.

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Speaker 3: Directive, and so.

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Speaker 6: Without if Israel was accomplishing its military objectives, they might

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Speaker 6: be able to push back on this on the on

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Speaker 6: the families who are demanding the hostages RelA hostage release

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Speaker 6: take priority. But without that, okay, you're not accomplishing your

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Speaker 6: military objectives. The demands of the families become that much

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Speaker 6: harder to ignore.

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Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right, and that actually is a

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Speaker 1: perfect subway. We can put E two up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is news we've been holding now for a while.

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01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 1: We wanted to make sure that we got to it.

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01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: This just happened a couple of days ago. Leaked to

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01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: US military assessment to the Wall Street Journal, they say

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: that Hamas has told us far falls far short of

1522
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: Israel's war aims. It is really forces have killed twenty

1523
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:41,759
Speaker 1: to thirty percent of Hamas fighters.

1524
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: US intelligence estimates.

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: Show a toll that falls short so far of Israel's

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01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: goal of destroying the group and shows that it's resilience

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Speaker 1: after months of war that have laid swats to the

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: Gaza Strip. The US estimate found that Hamas still has

1529
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: enough munitions to continue striking Israel and Israeli forces in

1530
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: Gaza quote four months, and that the group is attempting

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01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: to reconstitute police force in parts of Gaza City, which

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01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: already we have seen major Israeli withdrawals from Ryan You

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01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: and I have discussed some of that previously. Israeli officials

1534
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: concede that despite the aggressive air ground campaign that has

1535
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: killed thousands of civilians, they have not achieved their goal

1536
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: of destroying Hamas, which has run Gaza now, and that

1537
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: they have withdrawn thousands of troops following pressure from the

1538
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: United States to transition to a more surgical phase of

1539
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: its war against Hamas. Military officials say that the war

1540
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: can continue for many more months, and that their survival

1541
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: has raised questions within Israel, the Palestinian authorities, and abroad

1542
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: about whether Israel can even achieve this most basic aim.

1543
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: Biden administration has now begun to scale down their expectations

1544
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: for the war. They say to Hamas's degradation as a

1545
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: security threat from its utter destruction, and that the US

1546
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: has urged Israel to shift the war toward more targeted

1547
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 1: operations are aimed at Hamas leadership. A senior Israeli military

1548
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: official told The Wall Street Journal, if you don't have

1549
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: to win, you just have to not lose. I actually

1550
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: would swap that around. I would say that's Hamma goal,

1551
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: you know. I would say for Hamas, Yeah, they don't

1552
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: have to win. There's no there's no winning against people

1553
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: who got airpower. You got no airpower, but you don't

1554
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: have to not lose. Ask the Taliban how that worked

1555
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 1: out for him. They're stronger when we left than they

1556
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: were when we invaded. Somebody makes sense of that for me?

1557
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: After a billion dollars or sorry, one hundred million.

1558
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 3: Dollars or so.

1559
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: Same with the Hoosies, same with the who thees, same

1560
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: with you know isis we can think about that in

1561
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: terms of Iraq and how much it costs. And then

1562
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: they talk here about some of the surviving fighters and others.

1563
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: They're basically saying that in terms of the number of

1564
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: fighters that have been killed, even if you take the

1565
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: Israeli military estimate, which is nine thousand, that is still

1566
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: thirty percent of the group's total fighting force. And that's

1567
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 1: the very very high end, right, that's not very good.

1568
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 6: And that was the fighting force at the beginning, at

1569
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 6: the beginning.

1570
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 2: That's now you don't even know.

1571
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 6: Now you've taken two million people and displaced them, how

1572
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 6: many new recruits have you created by orphaning them? By

1573
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 6: killing their brothers and sisters, their grandparents, their uncles, their

1574
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 6: their nephews. If you are if you are you know,

1575
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 6: a eighteen year old man or woman in Gaza at

1576
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 6: this point, like you're either you know, scrounging for food

1577
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 6: and medicine to keep your to keep yourself alive, or

1578
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 6: maybe you go try to join Hamas.

1579
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 3: At this point.

1580
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 6: It's very that's been the problem with that, that's the

1581
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 6: that's the doctrine, Like, that's the problem that. You know

1582
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 6: that the kind of counter terrorism effort globally has always

1583
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 6: tried to reckon with if you kill a terrorist, do

1584
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 6: you create more terrorists than you have just killed?

1585
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily like something that you know, it's

1586
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: a common talking point.

1587
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, what does that mean? We should

1588
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: do nothing.

1589
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: It's like, listen, you should just be calibrated and you

1590
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: should think about whether trade offs exist and what they

1591
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: look like. So, for example, if we were to think

1592
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: about where a terrorist group genuinely could have been eradicated,

1593
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: I think al Qaeda in two thousand and one is

1594
01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: a perfect example because it's a small paramilitary organization which

1595
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: has ties to the Taliban, but is not.

1596
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 3: Directly to that indigenous anywhere.

1597
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: It's not indigenous. You know, half of the people in

1598
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: Afghanistan are like, who are you Arabs.

1599
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: Why are you here?

1600
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't even like you, right, So they're willing to

1601
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: get about the right They're like, get out of here,

1602
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: go kill him. So that was the perfect example of

1603
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: one where yeah, I genuinely think we could have gone

1604
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: in there. As long as there weren't a lot of

1605
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: Afghan civilians around. You could a carpet bomb, you could

1606
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 1: have killed every single one of them, would have done nothing.

1607
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: But then we're going to think about the Taliban. It's like, well,

1608
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: now you're talking about somebody's cousin, somebody's uncle, somebody who's

1609
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,520
Speaker 1: involved in drug trafficking, and all these you know, activities

1610
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: including police force and anti government for very different reasons.

1611
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: Now we're not getting into a phase where you can

1612
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: just go in and kill somebody and make sure that

1613
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: you're not having some detrimental effect. May still be a

1614
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: good reason to kill him, you know, maybe they're in

1615
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: charge of X, Y and Z, or if you kill

1616
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: one person that can have a bigger effect, But at

1617
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're going to need a

1618
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: bigger political military strategy.

1619
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: It's why we lost the war in Afghanistan. Same thing.

1620
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: We killed a lot of insurgents in Iraq. How did

1621
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: that work out? You know, it didn't work out so well.

1622
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 6: And yeah, I is kind of is a confusing example

1623
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 6: and raise people's expectations in a way that was was

1624
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 6: inappropriate because isis basically just a bunch of Europeans, yes,

1625
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 6: who came down.

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01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: There from Chechnya or Britain under Belgium. And again people

1627
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 1: in Syria are like, why are you enslaving my you

1628
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: know name?

1629
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 6: Or they've just radicalized on YouTube and everywhere else, and

1630
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 6: then and they come down for this like it.

1631
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: Much easier to kill much easier to kill it.

1632
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 6: And you can express and you can extract that from

1633
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 6: the culture because it's not indigenous to endemic to the culture,

1634
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,919
Speaker 6: whereas this effort to call Hamas isis fails because Hamas

1635
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 6: is made up of people who are from Gaza. Yeah, like,

1636
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 6: you can say whatever you want about and they're from Gaza.

1637
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: They're from there, which means it's not going to be

1638
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: that easy to root them out. It's a lot it's

1639
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: a lot harder to kill them. It's a lot harder

1640
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: to separate them from the population. If you did want

1641
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: to separate them from the population, you probably do the

1642
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: opposite of what Israel is doing.

1643
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: And now you know you've got as bad You've got

1644
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: a bad, bad situation.

1645
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: So you've got twenty one, twenty four guys who have

1646
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: been killed here, how many more are going to be killed,

1647
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, in this war of occupation?

1648
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 2: And now you know.

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01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: They're going to face all blow up a building, They're

1650
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: going to face all kinds of problems inside Israel because

1651
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: already they've done these withdrawals and the reservists they're sending

1652
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 1: it back.

1653
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 2: They need him to work in the military.

1654
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: Well, we all just got a preview today of what

1655
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: a real war of occupation looks like. You need hundreds

1656
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: of thousands of people standing around on street corners with guns.

1657
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 1: You can bomb them till Kingdom come, but you can

1658
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: only keep it up for certain tier periods of time.

1659
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: And eventually you know you're going to be involved in

1660
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: this type of activity.

1661
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: You're going to get killed. A lot of you are

1662
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 2: going to get killed.

1663
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: Especially when you don't have good taxic, good discipline, good

1664
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: command and control, so many these different things. So listen,

1665
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: I think this is a big, big problem. Any final

1666
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: thoughts here.

1667
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if you're the family of one of

1668
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 6: these twenty four and maybe counting IDF soldiers who died,

1669
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 6: you're asking what did they die for?

1670
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 3: And you're told they were doing a controlled.

1671
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 6: Demolition of a building, right like, buildings do not threaten anybody.

1672
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 6: What threatens people are ideologies and people who hold those ideologies,

1673
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 6: who operate out of buildings and who use weapons. But

1674
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 6: you can destroy them. What does destroying a university do?

1675
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 2: Right like?

1676
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 6: What does destroy What does leveling an apartment building do

1677
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 6: to make Israel any safer? And so you're so not

1678
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 6: only did you lose at least twenty four soldiers, but

1679
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 6: you but you did it to destroy a building, like

1680
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 6: there's no there's no building that is worth that.

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01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: The lucky thing is that, at least in Israel, their population,

1682
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: as you can see, is a lot less compliant than ours.

1683
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 1: You know, whenever their people are on the line, they

1684
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: genuinely do kind of act out in many cases as you.

1685
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 2: Saw in terms of storming that connected.

1686
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: So perhaps the families of those you know inside the

1687
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: country will begin to ask questions.

1688
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 2: It's a small country.

1689
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: When you lose somebody, you know, it's it's it's going

1690
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 1: to hit a lot more. As we were talked a

1691
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 1: lot about on October seventh. Let's move to the final

1692
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: part here about Harvard. We've been wanting to cover some

1693
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: of this campus craziness or so called I just want

1694
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: to say I told you so about Bill af all right,

1695
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: I can say it every time, but every time we

1696
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: get vindicated.

1697
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 2: This is just the most perfect example to me.

1698
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: So if we'll all recall Bill Ackman, the billionaire hedge

1699
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: funder who has done some very questionable practices whenever it

1700
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: comes to SPACs and to crashing the market after COVID,

1701
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: there's a lot of discussion. We can put that off

1702
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: to the side, just you know, giving people a context

1703
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: about how a man became worth four billion dollars.

1704
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: I've done it before. Yeah, maybe it'll do it again. Okay.

1705
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: So Bill Ackman on October eighth wakes up and is like,

1706
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's all these Palestinian groups that are

1707
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 1: saying abhorrent and awful things. I should help to cancel

1708
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: them and make sure that they can never get a job.

1709
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: This morphs into after the Harvard hearing before Congress, an

1710
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: effort to get Claudine Gay, the president of Harvard, fired

1711
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: for not saying immediately the calling for the genocide against

1712
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: Jews constitutes a targeted harassment at the university eventually then

1713
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: morphs into plagiarism accusations against Claudine Gay in which she retires.

1714
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: But remember he didn't actually care about clip plagiarism. He

1715
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: cared about getting this one fired over quote unquote anti

1716
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: semism concerns. Well, Harvard has now heeded the call and

1717
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: they've created a quote anti Semitism task force.

1718
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: But now let's put this up there. This is pretty amazing.

1719
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: Bill Ackman and Larry Summers, form president of Harvard, are

1720
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: now decrying the choice of Derek J. Pensler, who is

1721
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: a professor of Jewish history and is Jewish himself, as

1722
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: the leader of an anti Semitism task force. Will you

1723
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: guess why, Ryan, because quote he helped to lead a

1724
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: panel which had signed a letter that was critical of Israel,

1725
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 1: describing it as a regime of apartheid for its treatment

1726
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,000
Speaker 1: of Palestinians. Now this is very, very important here, because

1727
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: what they are saying is that this man, who is

1728
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: a Jew, a professor of Jewish history, and who is

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01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: leading the anti Semitism task force himself, is not a

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Speaker 1: proper person to lead the anti Semitism task force. Because

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Speaker 1: he has been critical of Israel. Okay, so not that

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Speaker 1: he's anti Semitic himself, but they are saying that criticism

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Speaker 1: Israel equals anti semitins. That gives the whole game away,

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Speaker 1: doesn't It kind of gives the whole game away. And

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Speaker 1: so just give you an example about Bill Ackman. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. He says, Harvard

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Speaker 1: continues on the path of darkness again because he was

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Speaker 1: chosen as the co chair of this anti Semitism task

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Speaker 1: for US, and he led a panel which then signed

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Speaker 1: a letter and then also called forest easfire, which means

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Speaker 1: then that criticism of Israel the government itself, according to Acman,

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Speaker 1: is anti Semitism, and also according to Larry Summers, we

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Speaker 1: can put his.

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Speaker 2: Tweet up there on the screen. We're only giving you

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Speaker 2: half of this, by the way, there's a lot more.

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Speaker 2: And if you're an acinesque, but I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, Ryan, this is just so blatant and transparent, you

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Speaker 1: know the way that so many people have like fallen

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Speaker 1: for this. Guys, none of this says anything to do

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Speaker 1: with DEI. It's about Israel. It's about protecting Israel from criticism.

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Speaker 1: And listen, you know, I you know, the whole apartheid

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Speaker 1: thing and all that. Who cares, it's a foreign country.

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Speaker 1: In this country, we are allowed to criticize the foreign country,

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: last time I checked, except we've got an Israel. Except

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01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: apparently in this case, it's just outrageous. Outrageous to me,

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Speaker 1: Israel is a country.

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Speaker 6: Israel is a country with policies. Criticizing those policies does

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Speaker 6: not make you anti Semitic. For a long time, that

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Speaker 6: had seemed like a pretty straightforward proposition, and you would

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Speaker 6: often have the opponents of that proposition kind of twisting

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Speaker 6: themselves into NASA say that that's not actually what they mean.

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Speaker 6: But like you said, it's now very clear exactly what

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Speaker 6: they mean. That you cannot have a co chair of

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Speaker 6: an anti Semitism task force who is a critic of Israel,

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Speaker 6: because they are by definition, he's Jewish anti semitic, and

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Speaker 6: he's one of the most renowned professors of Jewish history,

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Speaker 6: like in you know that is that is working today certainly,

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Speaker 6: but in you know, a century, and to call him

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Speaker 6: anti semitic is flatly absurd. And the apartheid question is

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Speaker 6: an interesting one too, because you know, apartheid means that

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Speaker 6: you have different rights, you know, within the borders of

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Speaker 6: a country, depending on your ethnicity, or your or your religion.

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Speaker 6: The critics of that label say it's not fair to

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Speaker 6: call Israel apartheid because the occupation is temporary and at

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Speaker 6: some point in the future there will be a resolution

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Speaker 6: which means it is no longer an apartheid state, whereas

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Speaker 6: South Africa was a locked in, permanent, permanent This is

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Speaker 6: this is, this is what it is. Net Yahoo clearly

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Speaker 6: stating that there will never be a Palestinian state locks

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Speaker 6: that in the only alternative if there will never be

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Speaker 6: a Palestinian state is that it is all under the

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Speaker 6: security control of Israel, and everyone underneath Israel's security control

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Speaker 6: is subject to those laws. And if you are Palestinian

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Speaker 6: or Arab, you have different privileges, you have different rights.

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Speaker 3: That is apartheid.

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Speaker 6: And you if net Nyah, who is not willing to

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Speaker 6: say to even pretend that at some point in the

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Speaker 6: future there will be a two state solution, then it

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Speaker 6: is a part time like that. That's just definitionally too

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Speaker 6: so to say that it's uh, it's anti Semitic and

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Speaker 6: out of bounds to say that. For a Jewish historian

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Speaker 6: who knows the history is to demand ignorance.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of your panelists.

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Speaker 1: Look, I haven't even thought about it that much because

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Speaker 1: I honestly think that some of these rhetorical battles are irrelevant.

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Speaker 1: It's like, look, are the Palestinians treated worse than Israeli citizens?

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, definitely, Okay, I can tell you that

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Speaker 1: from I haven't seen it with my own eyes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. You'd call it whatever you want. I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: The whole point is just a great I mean, we

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Speaker 1: get you know, it devolved into all of these rhetorical

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Speaker 1: battles and it's not and it is like, listen, this

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01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: is all irrelevant. The whole point is about are you

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Speaker 1: allowed to say what you want in the United States

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01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: of America?

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Speaker 2: And the answer should be.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, if you're a scholar of Jewish history and

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Speaker 3: you want.

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Speaker 2: To scholars, listen. I hate some of these scholars, all right.

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Speaker 2: I brought this man and I would.

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Speaker 1: Probably hate hate each We would hate over DEI over

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01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 1: so much. And as long as he defended my right

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Speaker 1: to be able to criticize him and vice versa, we're cool, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, the professor and I that's the problem. Is

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01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: that people are not actually properly implying these principles whenever

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01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: they're talking, you know, out of both sides of their mouth.

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Speaker 2: This is about Israel period.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, we have a very strange situation

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Speaker 1: at Columbia University. We have some video actually we can

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Speaker 1: play here of two Columbia University students who were allegedly

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Speaker 1: sprayed with something called skunk spray, which is apparently used

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Speaker 1: on Palestinians in the West Bank by Israeli forces. It

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Speaker 1: is quote known to cause nausea, abdominal pain, and vomiting,

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Speaker 1: and this is self reported from some of these protesters,

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Speaker 1: but appears to have some verification with their symptoms. Columbia

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Speaker 1: University actually responded to these allegations.

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Speaker 2: We could put this up there please.

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Speaker 1: They say that the Department of Public Serifety is working

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Speaker 1: with the local and federal authorities to invest agate some

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Speaker 1: of these incidents. Ryan, you guys had an intercept story

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Speaker 1: on this. Could you break it down for us and

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Speaker 1: just tell us a little bit about what you guys found.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we can put this up in post by colleague

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Speaker 6: Preem Tucker as his pieces headline Columbia scold students for

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Speaker 6: quote unsanctioned Gaza rally where they were attacked with chemicals.

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Speaker 6: And the allegation is that two of these students are

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Speaker 6: former IDF soldiers. It would be familiar with the use

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Speaker 6: of skunks.

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Speaker 7: Brother.

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Speaker 6: There's been some confirmation at least of that one of

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Speaker 6: them was You've had at least you know, the two

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01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 6: were attacked, but you had dozens. You were kind of

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01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,839
Speaker 6: sickened by this pretty intense chemical spray.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't until.

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Speaker 6: Uh Prem's story went up that Columbia finally sent out

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01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 6: a new statement, like that first state interesting that they

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Speaker 6: put out was what they say they were concerning incidents.

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Speaker 6: Now they're saying that they're you know, they're looking into

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Speaker 6: it like that there's there's going to be an investigation.

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Speaker 6: You know, if anybody has concerned, you know, they should

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01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 6: reach out, like taking it a little bit more seriously

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01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 6: than they were before. It felt like the Columbia administration

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01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 6: was kind of hoping that the press just just go

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01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 6: wouldn't cover this, and that we were the first news

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01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,600
Speaker 6: outlet to cover it. Is kind of shameful because and

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01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 6: also hypocritical that if this happened in reverse, where what's

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Speaker 6: his name Shy Davidson, Yeah, has been making a huge

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Speaker 6: name for himself as this Columbia business professor or associate

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01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:32,719
Speaker 6: professor adjunct or something who is saying he feels deeply

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Speaker 6: unsafe on campus and urging all of these students to

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Speaker 6: be disciplined. If this had been a pro Israel rally

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Speaker 6: and you had s JP students come and like hit

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Speaker 6: them with skunk spray and somewhat to the hospital, you

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Speaker 6: cannot imagine a world in which the media didn't touch

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Speaker 6: it until the intercept covered it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're obviously right. And again you know it's like, look,

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Speaker 1: these protesters. I don't know anything other people, but at

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01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 1: the they're not hurting anybody, like you know in this country,

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Speaker 1: stay at least you know, if someone's gonna spram, it

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01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 1: should be the cops.

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Speaker 2: And even then it's like we should probably talk about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, just get the spray people unless they're attacking you.

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Speaker 1: And when you do, it's like what is happening here?

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01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: Like how is there not again some outrage? It's just

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01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: it's nuts to me. We're not applying proper principles. I mean,

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Speaker 1: for right wing people, you want maga folks to be

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01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: sprayed in the face, like with skunk spray by what

1879
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: an agent of like the Ukrainian military or something that

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01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: would be nuts, That would genuinely be nuts.

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Speaker 6: What if we had a Russian student exactly, and there's

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Speaker 6: like a pro Ukraine raw I'm sure the.

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Speaker 1: Media would condone that. May they call it an active

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01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: self defense or something. But that's my whole point is

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01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to selectively, you know, apply some

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. So the campus craziness continues, It certainly does,

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Speaker 1: and we will continue to keep you guys updated.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's been great talking with you man.

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Speaker 1: We will be together tomorrow morning for the Counterpoints counter

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Speaker 1: Points Breaking Points crossover reaction to the new Amster primary,

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Speaker 1: in which the whole team will be here with Crystal

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Speaker 1: also joining us remotely.

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Speaker 2: And thank you all very much for joining us. We

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Speaker 2: really appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Got the discount going on now if you can help

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Speaker 1: us out breaking Points dot com otherwise, I'll see you tonight,

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Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow. I'm gonna see you all the time,

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Speaker 1: all right, see just see it tomorrow morning.