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One 25 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: of my goals objectives with this book was to kind 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: of break down the partition between the ancient alien theorists 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: and modern UFO researchers, because there's been a kind of 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: a partition there where they're not really we're not really talking, 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, right, I think I think we're talking about 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: a continuum. This phenomena has been with humanity ever since 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: when and as Zetl pointed it out, and we've had 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, Moses Siani, and they pointed these things out 33 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: way back, you know, many thousands of years ago, that 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: they were dealing with a phenomena they didn't understand at all, 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: because they didn't even know what a machine was. They 36 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: used the best language they could and then, you know, paradoxically, 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: we call UFOs flying saucers. So we should understand that 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: they were talking in metaphors, and we're talking they weren't 39 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: talking about a cloud up in the sky. That's all 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: they knew that was up in the sky was a 41 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 1: cloud of birds, but something stranger was up in the sky. Well, 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: we don't know what it is. Call it a cloud. 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. This stuff is a lot 44 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: simpler if you just make a simple shift in your 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: perceptions and understand ancient humans and what limitations they had. 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: And it's time to reinterpret this stuff. The entire Old 47 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Testament is a very good document on terraforming, on bioengineering, 48 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: on how things got going on this planet. It's time 49 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: to cut out of fantasy land. You know, why did 50 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: they get in thousands of years? Why the cover up? Will? 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Why not tell us what happened at Roswell and all 52 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: these other things. You've looked at the UFOs buzzing the 53 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: nation's capital back in fifty two. Yeah, Rose was probably 54 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: the key. You know that. First there was the little 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: known battle over La happened during World War two right 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and tens of thousands of people saw it, 57 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: and they got the artillery out there and fired the 58 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: round after round at this object it was hovering, that 59 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: was just sitting there for everybody to see, and the 60 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: shells just bounced off and did nothing right, And you 61 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: could hear the pining right yeah, and you know, the 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: shells fell back and they were on the beaches and 63 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: some people got hurt and it alarmed everybody. But here's 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: what happened. It just went away because the war was 65 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: the important thing, and it went on and there were 66 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: no UFO investigation, you know, no organizations that were doing that. 67 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: People were unaware of the phenomena and it just took 68 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: everybody by a storm and then it went away. People 69 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: forgot about it, and so even took a long time 70 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: and actually the inner to bring it back to people's attention. Um, 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: that was that was the first one, and then Roswell came. 72 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: But people were alerted to that by the military, and 73 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: to me, that's a fact. The whole thing about Roswell 74 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: and the appearance of UFOs in New Mexico. Then, of 75 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: course you know that the atomic bomb was was built 76 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: in New Mexico, it was tested in New Mexico, not 77 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: far from Roswell, that's right, that's right. And then you 78 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: have the base right there, well, that was the base 79 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: that dropped, you know, it was it was those pilots 80 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: that dropped the bombs on Japan. So it was all 81 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: tied together with this whole new atomic era that we 82 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: got into. And now the UFOs show up in pretty 83 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: large numbers in New Mexico, and there were a lot 84 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: of you know, news media stuff going on down there. 85 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: Roswell to me, I break it down out a little differently. 86 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Some of the strongest evidence to me, of course, when 87 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: when the military came out with the positive you know 88 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: we have a flying suzzer, we have you know, you 89 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: have an intelligence officer analyzing it out there. He knew 90 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: what he was doing, which which they really made him 91 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: switch pretty darn fast. Right, Well, he didn't you know how, 92 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: he didn't have much choice. The politics of military you 93 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: just don't fool around. He was ordered to do it, 94 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: that's all right, Sure he was ordered any orders came 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: down from the top. Now, a couple of the giveaways 96 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: to me of what actually happened was that's Jesse Marcel, right, 97 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: Jesse Marcel, after he went along with the program, was 98 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: promoted and sent to the Pentagon and he had special duty. 99 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: After that, Blanchard, the guy, the captain of the base, 100 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: went on to become the highest ranking. He reached the 101 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: highest rank. Now, these guys had been good soldiers and 102 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: they went on with it. You don't Now, if they 103 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: had botched things as a military claimed and seen a 104 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: weather balloon, they have been promoted. No way. It was 105 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the collision of the United States Destroyer, 106 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: the commander today was relieved of his duties. So if 107 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: you screw up in the military, you're out. Yeah. And 108 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: they didn't scrip at all. You know, they saw what 109 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: they saw. They reported the original you know story was 110 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: the truth. Well, we don't know exactly up the chain 111 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: decided and I we could guess, right, we can speculate 112 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: just logically the powers would be looked at it. They had, 113 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: they had the technology, They came to pretty quick assessment. 114 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: You know what, we can back engineer this, we can 115 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: come up with technologies of our own out and the 116 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: US did. The fact is, very soon after that, the 117 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: US started coming up with a lot of technology and 118 00:06:58,080 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of leaked ahead of the rest of the world. 119 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: Well once and once they made the decision though to 120 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: put the lid on it, they've stuck by it ever since. 121 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: They're they're not going to backtrack, and that was very 122 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: political and so the US has been frozen there ever since. 123 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: You know, with this, with this kind of taint around 124 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: UFOs and either it's silly or it makes you uncomfortable 125 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, other countries, like down here in Mexico, 126 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: people talk openly about it. They accept the UFOs, and 127 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: the government does. They opened their files years ago. But 128 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: the US is under this cloud with that particular topic 129 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: because the government put the clop on. Let's talk a 130 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: little bit, will about this nuclear age and how the 131 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: UFOs started really starting to appear even though they were 132 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: visiting US, you know, for centuries gone back. But do 133 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: you think it was the nuke era that really got 134 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: them coming. Yeah? I do, because we you know, we 135 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: kind of punched through into another dimension. Yeah, you know, 136 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: we joined the club. We joined the club, didn't we. Yeah, 137 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: And then it looks to me like, okay, we came 138 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: under you know, more like stringent monitoring, like what's going 139 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: on and how much? How much do they really know? 140 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: And and you know they've shut bases down too, They've 141 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: shut some of our missile bases down just to kind 142 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: of show the military that, you know, we can lock 143 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: this thing down on you if we choose to. And 144 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know these things, you know, 145 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: and that that to me is a good thing, right, 146 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, if we get out of control. I would 147 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: like to know that there's somebody more intelligent above us 148 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: who can go no, you're not going to do that. 149 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: Now we're going to step in. You lost your free 150 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: will here. We get revoked temporarily on this one. That's 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: fine with me. I don't think we should be allowed 152 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: to destroy ourselves in the planet. It's not really ours. 153 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, we're part of a much To me, my 154 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: theory is that we're just we're part of a human 155 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: race that has many branches to it. Like we can 156 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: talk about the elongated skulls. You know, that's another part 157 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: of the branch. They were more intelligent than us. They 158 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: taught us a lot of these things. The Egyptian, the 159 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: leaders of Egypt had elongated skulls. The Perracas, the people 160 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: in Peru have elongated skulls. Those are not Those are 161 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: not headbind You know that that didn't come from binding 162 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: an infant's head up. We know that the structure is different, 163 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: the DNA is different, and and our you know, no 164 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: woman came up with the idea. Well, I think I'm 165 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: just going to wrap my head baby, sit up and 166 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: squish it to make it a different shape. What tribe 167 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: is going to go along with that unless they were 168 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: modeling what they thought was a superior race, and you 169 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: know they probably were. You've looked at the original Mercury 170 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: seven astronauts are early astronauts in our space program. What 171 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: do you think happened during those ears? Did they see things? Yes, 172 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: they did, Sure they did. Those are those guys are 173 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: not going to lie about that. And when they spoke out, especially, 174 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: I think Gordon Cooper was really the most vocal and 175 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: articulate about it, and he had some experiences which which 176 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: he related and said basically, you know, they confiscated his 177 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: photos and he was mad about it. He could tell 178 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: he was mad, and he wanted the public to know, 179 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: you know, what he'd seen, and he didn't like the 180 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: fact that the government, you know, had him under the thumb, 181 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: and he decided to speak up. The other ones, some 182 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: of the other ones have spoken out to Yes, they 183 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: saw things out there, There's no doubt about it. They 184 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't you remember the era People think that NASA just 185 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: came up, you know, was talking about space and science. 186 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: That wasn't all of us to it. Throughout the fifties, 187 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: there were UFO waves. They were in the newspaper. They 188 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: were on people's minds, what are these things? That was 189 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: part of it, if you remember, that was part of 190 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing. And they gotten nassaupgoing. It was you know, 191 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: wasn't just the race with Russian and all that, which 192 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: is a whole other issue. It was is there something 193 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: out there? You know? And then when they saw it, 194 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: there's a there you go back to Roswell again, Nassau 195 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: put the clamp on it. They never said, right, they've 196 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: never said there are no UFOs. The US government has 197 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: never said that. The media has implied it for many years, 198 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: but the government itself has never come out in black 199 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: and white and said there's no there's no UFOs. They 200 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: said there was no security risk from these whatever they are. 201 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: The fact that, the fact that they've never come out 202 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: directly to deny it, they can just kind of swept 203 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: it under the carpet. Yeah, you know, the original the 204 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: original investigation they did back in the late forties turned 205 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: out positive. They've flat out said yeah, these are these 206 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: are from elsewhere, they are these machines are not from 207 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: the earth, and so on. Well, somebody in Washington decided 208 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: to reverse it. They quickly came out with Project Grudge, 209 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: which turned around and said no, there's there's nothing. So 210 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, they've kept it ambiguous the whole time. Then 211 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: you know what, in recent years, the CIA released a 212 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: lot of their photos and you can see the UFOs there, 213 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: so we have this ambiguity in it, you know. And 214 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: really the truth is people have to make up their 215 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: own minds. Don't wait for somebody to tell you you've 216 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: got to make up. 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