1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: On today's episode of Tickets to the Draft Podcast, we 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: are recapping Day two of the NFL Draft. Come on down, 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Trey Amos. We're excited about what you bring to this team. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: It all starts right now. 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Ticket to Draft Podcast. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with Justin Guy Jason as always 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: represented by Seakeeek. This summer, seekek has your ticket to 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: the best live concert in the DMV at Northwest Stadium. 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Seek the Officier Priority Ticket Partner of Northwest Stadium. I 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: always want to say Washington Commanders, but it's Northwest Stadium. 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: We're extoked about that, and we are stoked because our 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: second round picker, the Washington Commander second round pick is 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: in and it's Trey Amos. And I honestly couldn't have 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: been happier at the moment. Like it was funny. I 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: was kind of going through my board. You and I 16 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: were talking. It was like, hey man, here are all the 17 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: edges that are gone, and all the guys that we 18 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: were really really excited about weren't there. And it's like, well, 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: there's this player, there's this player. And then you get 20 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: to the cornerback Calum and it's like Trey Mos is 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: right there and in terms of that tier, in terms 22 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: of that play ranking, in terms of the skill so 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: that he brings. I just felt like it was kind 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: of right on the money and write what they needed 25 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: in terms of best player available for Washington. 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 3: What another great day for Adam Peters, I think, right, 27 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: And it's the same it's we're gonna get tired of 28 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: talking like this where it's like he stuck to his board. 29 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 3: This was the guy that was their no need to 30 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: move up, no need to move down. The draft was 31 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: coming right to you right the way you wanted. You 32 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: felt comfortable where you were. Yeah, and Trey Amos a 33 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: cornerback from Ole Miss, I mean, he fits in need right. 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: But it's also it didn't feel like we need to 35 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 3: draft a cornerback here. It felt like, okay, this is 36 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: a player like what we're saying, like if we were 37 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: looking at cornerback, they were like, I think you had three, right, 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: I had probably like three guys and Amos was one 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: of them that was right and there. So it was like, 40 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: all right, this makes complete sense. 41 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. 42 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the exact guys on my board, 43 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: but it was like Shavon Revel, who I really liked, 44 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: but Tray most and again just to kind of draw 45 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: a comparison between those two players, like Sean Revel did 46 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: a lot of really good things at ECU, right, But 47 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: when you look at Trey Amos, like his story, I 48 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: think is something that sticks out to you. 49 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Like started at what is it, Louisiana La Fayette. 50 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,279 Speaker 1: Or something like that was the first school, transferred to Alabama, 51 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: then transfers to Ole Miss. Three defenses, three defense, three 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: different defensive coordinators, And I think you watch him last 53 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: year on tape and I think you got to see 54 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: a guy who just has a really good feel, you know, 55 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: a really good feel for the position. Can play man coverage, 56 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: can play zone. I think he's better in zone coverage situations. 57 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: But the thing that sticks out to me is his 58 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: ball skills. I talked about this on the show right 59 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: after the pick was in. And when you watch how 60 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: he catches the football, how he tracks the football, how 61 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: he can play with vision on the quarterback even in 62 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: like tight man situations and not lose contact with his guy, 63 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: I really think that's the thing that separates him. And 64 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: one of the things about Ravel is he was kind 65 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: of this unmolded ball of clay. And when you look 66 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: at Amos, he is much more polished, much more established, 67 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: much more NFL ready, And I think when you talk 68 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: about a guy that's going to come in and contribute 69 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: right away, Amos is definitely, I think a little bit 70 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: higher on the list than a guy like Shavonnahrel. So obviously, 71 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: sometimes when you're doing draft boards and we're doing draft boards, 72 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: we're not doing it for a team. We have nothing 73 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: kind of in mind just doing We're just doing it right. 74 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: So I do think that this is a really really 75 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: nice fit for the Washington Commanders because again, like one 76 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: of the first thing Dan said, this was way back 77 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: when the offseason started, when they look at defensive backs, 78 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: like one of the qualities they're looking for is ball skills, 79 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: and he's got them and couple that with the polish 80 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: and the other things, and I just think about what 81 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: it does for the defense and it makes me super excited. 82 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, he's a physical press corner and 83 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: he's got a little bit of length, Like he's not 84 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: the longest, but he's got the length there to compete 85 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: with those fifty to fifty balls that are there and 86 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: he's he's relatively. 87 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: Smooth, and I think the thing that was super surprising, 88 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: and I think this is something that we're starting to 89 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: get a feel for, starting to get a read on 90 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: with Adam Peters, is they do draft athletes like Connor. 91 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: Lee had a very specific athletic profile. 92 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: And when he came in and talked to us after 93 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: the pick yesterday after the first round picked after they 94 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: drafted Josh Connell. 95 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: You can check out that. 96 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: Interview on the YouTube page. He said everyone was alignment, 97 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: so obviously think the scouts, the coaches, But then the 98 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: other thing he said was the analytics department, and the 99 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: analytics department they've kind of I'm sure they're building out models, 100 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: they kind of say this is what plays at certain positions. 101 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: And I look at treemos and he tested. I don't 102 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: have the numbers right in front of me at the moment, 103 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: but he tested extremely well at the combine, ran way 104 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: faster than I thought he would run, jumped away better, 105 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: his three cone was awesome, and the field work was exceptional, 106 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: just incredibly smooth. I think that's the other thing that 107 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: jumps about him on tape is the smoothness which he 108 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: plays and it's exciting to think about him here with 109 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: Joe Wood Junior, who has developed a lot of really 110 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: talented corners over the course of his career and developed 111 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: a lot of corners that have a great ball production. 112 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: And I think he kind of fits that, I don't 113 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: say exact mold, but very very similar mold. And so 114 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: thinking about what that allows you to to do with 115 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: the defense. You know, we talked about it with Connor 116 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: Lee yesterday. His ability to kind of now the offense 117 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: is ability to get the five best offensive lineman on 118 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: the field. 119 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Now you can do that with the secondary. 120 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Maybe Mike Sanders still bumps back inside and think about 121 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: Trey Amos with if he develops with the right ball skills, 122 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: think about Marshawn Latimore, think about Mike Sanders still in 123 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: the slot. Like that is a devastating kind of combination 124 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: of defensive backs. And I'm really excited to see what 125 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: that looks like. 126 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's six one, one ninety five right, 127 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: thirty one and one fourth inch arms. He wanted to 128 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: talk about some of his combine stuff. He did a 129 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: four four three forty with a one point six ten, 130 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: but his vertical thirty two point five right, broad jump 131 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: ten sixty pretty explosive aout. 132 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 133 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: I mean the vertical is not great, but that broad 134 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: jump is excellent. The forty's excellent. And I said, like, 135 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: you know, you've got to kind of compare them the 136 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: field work as well, And again it just stuck out 137 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: to me how smooth he was on the field. 138 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: So you know, I think that's pretty cool. 139 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 3: And here's the thing. So he does have like a 140 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: knack for the ball, like he can track it very well. 141 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: But here's what I think makes you look at him 142 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 3: and go, Okay, that's a commander because we saw it 143 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 3: with Mikey Sanders still from last year's Guess what he 144 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: doesn't mind doing tackling. He does not mind tackling and 145 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: mixing it up in the run game and being a 146 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 3: decent run support defender, something that is obviously very important 147 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 3: to this staff here. 148 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's you know, like he's not 149 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: a perfect player. I don't want to make it seem 150 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: like like he is, but you know there's like sometimes 151 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: where he doesn't look super urgent. 152 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: But I think it's. 153 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: Not great top end speed. 154 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he tested way better than people thought, but I 155 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: think you see a guy who's a willing, a willing 156 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: and efficient tackler. 157 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: He's not like a thunderous tackler, but a willing and. 158 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: Efficient Tackler's the way I would characterize him the and 159 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: I think the versatility that he brings, Like one of 160 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: the things I get so stressed out with the corners 161 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: is like, let's take Stravunravel as an another example, Like 162 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: he is a man corner, doesn't have a great feeling zone, right, 163 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: and then when you look at Tremo's great feeling and 164 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: man great feeling zone, played in multiple systems, asked to 165 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: do different things, heard different languages, and so I don't 166 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: want to say he's scheme agnostic, but it does seem 167 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: that he has that kind of potential to be a 168 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: little bit more schime agnostic than some of the corners 169 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: we've brought it in the past, kind of like Mike Sandrasol, 170 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: a guy who's just a good football player, right, different 171 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: type of football player, but a good football player. And 172 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: I think that's what this player is. 173 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: The Thing about Trey Amos is that one of the 174 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: things that I wrote down is like my question marks 175 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: about him in my notes was that he can be 176 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: overly aggressive because he wants to make a play, and 177 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: that's not always a bad thing, right, Like that's why 178 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: I call him question marks not negatives necessarily, is because 179 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: Fred Smut says this, gosh, I hate Himm this guy. 180 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: He just gets on me all the time. But one 181 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: of the things he said that is absolutely accurate is 182 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: like you're either as a corner. You're either born with 183 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: ball skills or you're not. It's really hard to suddenly 184 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: become a ball skill guy, especially once you hit the 185 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 3: top level. Right, if you're not a guy that's making 186 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: plays on the ball in college, in high school, probably 187 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: not going to do it in the NFL. It only 188 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: gets harder for you. But what you can do is 189 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: say that's an overly aggressive guy that goes makes plays. 190 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: We can teach them discipline without losing that skill. Like 191 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 3: that skills harder to teach than the discipline. And that's 192 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: something that I think you're going to get with Trey 193 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: Amos says, maybe a little more discipline. He's not going 194 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: to jump routes a little too, a little more, but 195 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: a good coach will also say, hey, when you really 196 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: believe it and you see it and we have good communication, 197 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: jump that route make that play. 198 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the coaching thing because I 199 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: think that's huge. And again, like one of the things 200 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: that Fred talks about and other defensive backs that I've 201 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: talked to about, is a great coach will give you 202 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: the parameters about when they want you taking those shots. 203 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: And if you can be more selective and more specific 204 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: about knowing when you're insulated and making those shots or 205 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: taking those shots and being aggressive, I think that's outstanding. 206 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: And you know, like when you think about it in 207 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: the context of the defense, it gets me extremely ecpcause 208 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: I think in this division, that allows you to create 209 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: better matchups on the back end, It allows you to 210 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: help the pass rush. We always had about the PAS 211 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: rush helping the coverage, which is very true. And again 212 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: I look at the second the third wave of free 213 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: agency post draft, there's going to be some good veterans available. 214 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: There's also three more picks available where you can get 215 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: a kind of a juice up pass rusher, maybe in 216 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: at that one twenty nine spot. We'll see how the 217 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: draft ends up falling. But now we got a secondary 218 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: that can do some more dynamic stuff that can be 219 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: a force multiplier by creating turnovers. With this addition of 220 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: one player, because you've got because it's him, it's Mike 221 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: Sander still it's Kawon Martin in the back end, there's 222 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: some really interesting pieces now that have to gel obviously 223 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: and have to develop, like that's a big thing. We 224 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: always have to a caveat there. But it just it 225 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: now gives the defense some more teeth. It lets them 226 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: be more aggressive if they want a pressure more Joe 227 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: wit Junior, which is always exciting. 228 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: You might see something a little bit more like what 229 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: you saw with the Dan Quinn Joe at defense in Dallas, 230 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: right where they were ballhawks, and that's what they want 231 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: to be here. They talk about it all the time. 232 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: Ball is life. That means we're going to protect the 233 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: ball on offense, We're going to go get the ball 234 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: on defense. And while the team got better over the 235 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 3: season on the defensive side of taking the way the ball, 236 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: they still are looking to improve in that area. And 237 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: so you're getting a guy in here that allows you to, 238 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 3: like you said, you gotta gel, right, But it's the 239 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 3: coaching like this feels like it fits perfectly within what 240 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: Deeq and Joe Junior want to do. Defensively versus some 241 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: of the other corners that was still on the board 242 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: at the time. 243 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: No, I think that's one hundred percent right. And I 244 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: think and I think that's the other thing. It gives 245 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: me a lot of confidence. It gives me confidence with 246 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: the Connerly thing, like just what they they were able 247 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: to do with the offensive line, Lasher and how they're 248 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: able to develop some elements of that group that I 249 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: didn't think we're going to develop very well. And I 250 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: look at the defense and what they were able to 251 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: do again with guys like Kwan, with guys like Noig Bnoghany, 252 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: and finding ways to make them better football players, and 253 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: bringing Treyemos, a guy that we just talked about his 254 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: athletic upside, his physical upside, his diverse skill set already, 255 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and thinking this is a perfect environment for him to 256 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: develop and become a commander and kind of fit in 257 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: with this like defensive culture that they're building and kind 258 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: of you've got great mentors like Bobby Wagner's always want 259 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: we got to talk about. But that's kind of a 260 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden because of this one edition. It's 261 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: so fun because the group is just down more talented 262 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: and and can do a little bit more damage, which 263 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: is pretty fun. 264 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 3: So all right, so no picking the third round on Saturday. 265 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: We're going to have the rest of the draft. We 266 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: have a fourth, fifth. 267 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a fourth and a sixth and a seventh. 268 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 3: That's right, fourth, six and seven, so we had three 269 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: more picks to go. What are you obviously this is 270 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: a tough question. I know this is a tough question 271 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: because at this point in any draft you really don't 272 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 3: know how the board's going to fall. But what are 273 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: you expecting to see from Washington? I'm not necessarily saying 274 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: give me a player, but are you expecting them to 275 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: stay the same that we've already seen this year and 276 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: let the board fall to them and just go with 277 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: the best player available quote unquote, or do you think 278 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: at some point they're going to be like, all right, 279 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: let's really target and edge rusher, let's really target a 280 00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: running back something like that. 281 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Well, I think as you move down the board, best 282 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: player available becomes more subjective. Every year I've done my 283 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: big board, I kind of am trying to pick the 284 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: top one hundred guys that I think are going to 285 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: get drafted. It doesn't necessarily mean the orders. Sometimes off 286 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: the order is subjective to team, you know, and I 287 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: think that's important to keep in mind. But what I 288 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: do think is going to happen is that they're going 289 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: to prioritize a couple guys late. I think when you 290 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: look at what they did last year, I think is 291 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: a good case study. Right, you got John Baptiste late, 292 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: a guy that has traits right, he's got thirty three and. 293 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: Strong s six fives. 294 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: He's got the ability to project to something more. And 295 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about David Walker in today's show, 296 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: like that's a guy or Osiah Stewart from Michigan, these 297 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: kind of maybe tweener pass rush types. Ada Huntington from 298 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: I think it's too lane, right, a guy that has 299 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: got these kind of trait cy pass rush ability. Again, 300 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: those guys will be around, and so you say, hey, 301 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: of our board, who's the best player available who can 302 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: impact our roster the most? And don't think it is 303 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: like they have to have long arms, they have to 304 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: have a ten ris. I think that's something that they're 305 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: looking for, no doubt. I think that's something when you 306 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: look at last year's kind of picks. After the fourth round, 307 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: they're all kind of these long traitsy athletic guys that 308 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: can project the starting roles at some point. But I 309 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: think that's kind of the way I look at it, 310 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: Like the board for the Commanders is going to be 311 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: different than every other team in the NFL. Right, Dan 312 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: Quinn made this joke today. It's not the it's not 313 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: the the Denny's menu, it's not the Cheesecake Factory menu. 314 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: It's not the same for every team in the NFL. 315 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: It's a little bit different. Yeah, it's a different restaurant here. 316 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: And so I do think there are going to be 317 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: good players potentially there in the fourth round that can 318 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: add past rosh juice. I think there's dynamic running backs 319 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: there and the fourth round that could add explosive elopments 320 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: to the offense. I think there's offensive playmakers that could 321 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: be interesting there, like Dante Thorton, you know from Tennessee, 322 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: just as an example a long trade cy, high upside 323 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of play. And I think you'll see more swings 324 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: like that. Like the one of the things I appreciate 325 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: about Adam Peters is in the first two rounds of 326 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: last year's draft and this he's kind of taking. I 327 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: don't say safe picks, but just very high floor picks. 328 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: And then obviously the character stays the same throughout the draft, 329 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: but it seemed very clear to me that they were like, oh, 330 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: this dude is a like Dominie Campton's a great example. Yeah, 331 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: he's a big safety, he's got thirty three inch arms, 332 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: he ran a sub five point forty, Like, let's get that. 333 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Get that guy in the building. Tyler Owens is a 334 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 2: great example. 335 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: His ris was off the charts, right, and he brought 336 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: them as him as a free agent. But that's what 337 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: I think you're kind of gearing towards is those guys 338 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: that again high upside role players in this team. And 339 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: the great thing about this draft is I do think 340 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: with one twenty eight there's gonna be some good football 341 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: players still there. 342 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: Like we're still in. 343 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: That kind of I don't want to say the sweet spot 344 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: of the draft, but still kind of the meat of 345 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: the draft. And I do think that that that with 346 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: that pick, there's someone you're gonna be able to get. 347 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: And then then after that it will be interesting to 348 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: see kind of how they play off each other. Right, 349 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: what are the traits, what are the qualities, what are 350 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: the positions? That you're kind of hunting for in the 351 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: sixth and seventh round. 352 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Man, this has been a ton of fun. 353 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: You referenced a show. You were like, hey, check out 354 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: the show. Dan Quinn was on it. You made something. 355 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: What we're talking about is we were live when we 356 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: were right before the draft started, we had a pre 357 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: pre show and then we add a on the clock show. 358 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: Those are going to live for ever on YouTube. And 359 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: one of the things that I love that it's going 360 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: to live for ever on YouTube about is that when 361 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: we were in the first round and we were on 362 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 3: the clock, when we were at our pick twenty nine, you, 363 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: mister Logan Paulson said, oh, here's a guy I have 364 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: as one of my best available. We ended up picking that. Dude. 365 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: You're just a savant. You're the draft grew. I don't 366 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 3: care what Fred says, you calling it. And then when 367 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: we went on the clock today in the second round, 368 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: you went, hey, guys, what about tree Amos. I think 369 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: that that's right there. And so, dude, you're just been 370 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: locked in. You've been on it. What a great process 371 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 3: sitting here watching this with you where you're like, you're 372 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: you're blowing these guys away like I see it with 373 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: like I think Beamtchieven like commented on it, like you're 374 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: sitting here like this guy makes sense for him. This 375 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 3: guy makes sense this guy and you're just nailing them 376 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: as a good down the line. It's a testament to 377 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: your football and knowledge. I love doing this with you, 378 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: and well, it's been a lot of fun. 379 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: We'll say this like this show forces me to study, 380 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: forces me to prep, and so it's like I get 381 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowl all the way through the draft, 382 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: all the way through these picks, like we're watching talking 383 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: through guys and I think this is and it's honestly 384 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: bro like it's a it's awesome doing the show with 385 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: you because I respect your football. 386 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. 387 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: I know you're just a guy, but it's great to 388 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: have a sounding board to be like, hey, I saw 389 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: this with so and so and you're like, I don't 390 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: really see it that way, And that to me helps 391 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: kind of flush out the evaluation. Makes me better at 392 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: my job and makes this show so much better. 393 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: I think the reason I have so much fun with 394 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: this is that I feel like I'm playing with house 395 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: money when I'm talking to on this I can just 396 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: say whatever, and you can be like you're not right 397 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: and like, but I can also give you, like some 398 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 3: crazy fan, just a guy take and you're like, you 399 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 3: know what, that actually kind of makes sense in a 400 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: weird way. Like one of my favorite things that I 401 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: talk about all the time is like, how do I 402 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 3: evaluate something, Like I put myself in a position and 403 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: where if that guy lines up like against my team, 404 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: Like if the Cowboys draft him, will I be upset 405 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: because I don't want to see that. Like when the 406 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: Giants still got dual Carter, I'm like, oh, that was 407 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: immediately what I did. Well. That means I think a 408 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 3: dual carters And like there's something to that, like when 409 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 3: other team's grown because you took a guy like that 410 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 3: probably means you made a good evaluation. That's so subjective 411 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: and such a dumb, stupid, low level boiler plate take, 412 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: but it's a real thing. And like sometimes we can 413 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 3: get caught up in the forty times and the verticals 414 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: and the cones and their measurements and arm lengths that 415 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: sometimes you just forget that it's anent. There's a motion 416 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: in the game, isn't there logan, and just some dudes 417 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 3: just lines up across from you and you go, oh. 418 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't want that. Yeah, that's absolutely right. 419 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: So and I think we're going to do a show, 420 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe one more show talking about all the. 421 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: Picks, probably on Tuesday, long weekend. For me personally, I 422 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 3: think I'm going to try and take as much much 423 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 3: rest as i can on Monday, but we'll be on 424 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: on Tuesday recording the Command Center podcast Command Center all 425 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 3: the shows that we do up through the week, and 426 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 3: so we'll probably knock out a complete draft recap then 427 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: and then maybe we'll do one more after we get 428 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: some udfas in would love that and we go through 429 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 3: them because I'm sure there are guys that we looked 430 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 3: at that are not going to get drafted, but they're 431 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: still going to contribute. 432 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: And think about how will Adam Peters and this whole staff, 433 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 1: the scouts and you know, the assistant GM Lance Newmark 434 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: did with the free agent process last year. Three of 435 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: those dudes made this football team, you know, obviously in 436 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: special teams roles. 437 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: But that's really exciting and. 438 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: I just again the opportunity to see more of these 439 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: guys have an opportunity to fulfill their dreams, especially in 440 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: y where we don't have a lot of draft picks. 441 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: Is really exciting, but I think that's going to do 442 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: it for tonight's show, tonight's recap, obviously, we're excited. Really 443 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: just two excellent picks, two very high floor picks that 444 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: also have I think, in my opinion, high ceilings. And 445 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: I think that's been that's hard to do in the draft. 446 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: And again Adam Peters just knocked out Park and it's 447 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: a team effort for sure, but they've done a great 448 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: job with that. 449 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: But that's gonna do it fornight. 450 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: We'll see you in a couple of days and kind 451 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: of review the rest of the draft. 452 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: Can't wait to that. 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