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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode three four. I like this one a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's Kevin Griffin, the lead singer of Better Than Ezra.

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Speaker 2: He's so much more than that now, but that's what

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 2: Loved desperately wanting Extraordinary with a jam the mom. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he knew this, but he wrote,

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Speaker 2: look that good, but he wrote that too. I got it.

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Speaker 2: Like he's done his thing, he wrote for other people.

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Speaker 2: He's got a new book out called The Greatest Song

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Speaker 2: Spark Creativity, Ignite your career, and transform your life. And

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Speaker 2: it's out now. So it's not about songwriting. It's about

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Speaker 2: audiobook but I hope you check it out. And he's

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Speaker 2: with Train. He actually wrote a song for Trained. I

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Speaker 2: is one he wrote. He's the Pilgrimage music and cultural

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Speaker 2: into all that, but really it's about better than Nazar

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Speaker 2: for sure, but it's about it's about better than Zazare

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Speaker 2: you know? That's really what it's about. Kevin Griffin. He's

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Speaker 2: got a new book. I hope you check it out.

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Speaker 2: All the links again, just hit that little deal or

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Speaker 2: tells you all that info, and let's get going. We're

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Speaker 2: almost four hundred, so close, almost four hundred doing them

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Speaker 2: one a week. Basically, Yeah, it's easy to get to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we started twenty seventeen in a closet.

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Speaker 2: We started nineteen eighty six. All right, thank you, and

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Speaker 2: follow Kevin at Kevin M. Griffin. Let's go. It's always

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Speaker 2: weird interviewing people that one that you're a fan of

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Speaker 2: You wrote a book, and first of all, I know

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Speaker 2: Did you ever open for RM? We did not, but

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Speaker 1: Jake Stark did. Jake Stark opened for Lannel Ritchie Here's Oasis, yes,

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Speaker 2: I did. I did, And I was like, where is it?

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Speaker 2: That's the better I thought it would be. Yes, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: to Sam Elliott Boye. Jake Stark, who his own recording

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Speaker 2: Now this makes a lot of sense to me, not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I never did. Yeah, I know you did it.

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Speaker 2: I did that song with them at a festival once

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Speaker 2: You call my number, I make cleo, I am here

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Speaker 1: Shy went out and got stoned, and he came back in.

434
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Speaker 1: He's like, man, put some auto tune on my track.

435
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,439
Speaker 1: So I put autotune and everybody knows what autotune. As

436
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 1: you put it was the key of g put it

437
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,920
Speaker 1: in and he started humming thirty seconds. If you've ever

438
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 1: written or worked with someone who smokes a lot of weed,

439
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 1: you have a very small window to capture the juice.

440
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,920
Speaker 1: And it's brother, it's amazing. It's like Heaven sent genius.

441
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 1: But if you don't hit record, you're gonna lose it.

442
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 1: But I hit record and he went and I was like,

443
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 1: oh my god, and I had to record it. We

444
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 1: looped it, and that's us doing the that's us doing that.

445
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 1: So we we wrote a verse and a chorus, and

446
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: it never happens this way in the music business. It

447
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: was a Thursday. Our old drummer was playing with sugar

448
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,479
Speaker 1: Land Travis McNab and I called Travis. I was like, hey, man,

449
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 1: give me Christian's phone number. And I called Christian. I

450
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: was like, are you guys still working on your sugar

451
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 1: Land al And he goes, yet, dude, we're recording Tuesday

452
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 1: and we need a single. And I was like, I

453
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: have your single and I sent him, Shy, I've got

454
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: the demo version I sent Shy. We sent him like

455
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Speaker 1: a forty five second verse chorus of the song. Sent

456
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Speaker 1: it to them and like, we're going to record this

457
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: on Tuesday, not completed though yet not completed. Yes, So

458
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: they wrote the second verse God and the rap and

459
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: we were off to the races.

460
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: And what did you think of the rap when you

461
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: heard it? And what'd you think of why they put

462
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: it in, how they put it in.

463
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 1: I totally dug it, man. You know, I always believe that,

464
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, those doing things that aren't expector maybe considered

465
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Speaker 1: the norm, ultimately you know history, You're on the right

466
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: side of history. And it was a thing. You know,

467
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 1: people talked about it, and now it seems tame by comparison,

468
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 1: right when you hear production and stuff these days.

469
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 3: But it was.

470
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: I was. Look, I was super grateful, you know, to

471
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Speaker 1: have them cut it.

472
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're

473
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: back on the Bobby Cast.

474
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: Why write a book and why write it with a

475
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: fictional character saying nonfiction things?

476
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I started doing this. They say that,

477
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, nothing good happens in a bar after two am,

478
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: especially new Orn Steer and MANI gras This one time though,

479
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 1: I was, I had written in the Hermi Parade and

480
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: I was having a jambalaya fn M Patio Bar uptown

481
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: New One. Have you ever been there? Now? It's a

482
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: crazy place. It gets going around three am. But I

483
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: ran into this buddy who is an entrepreneur guy in Dallas,

484
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 1: and he was with a group of friends. They were

485
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,239
Speaker 1: YPO guys, and YPO is Young Presidents Organization. It's kind

486
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: of like a fraternity for for very successful men and women.

487
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 1: And so he goes, hey, man, Malcolm Gladwell just spoke

488
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: for us here in New Orleans. You want to speak

489
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: for us in Dallas in three and three years? And

490
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: I was three years three months and I was like, yeah,

491
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: I finished my jambalaya. I forgot about it. Two months

492
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: later it's like, hey, so here's the day in Dallas.

493
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: I had to think of something to speak about. And

494
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: around about the same time, I was just working with

495
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: younger artists and getting asked like, hey, how have you

496
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: stayed successful in this business that's notoriously fickle? And I

497
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: was and I realized, you know, so there was that

498
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: going on. But also I had to do a speech

499
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: and I was and I thought of, like these things

500
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 1: that I've had to do, like wow, there actually are tools,

501
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: these practices I've kind of put into my life that

502
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: have allowed me to be successful. So I kind of

503
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: codified them in a speech that took off from doing

504
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: ypos to Live Nation, which witch to Google, Nike, Disney,

505
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: and about four years ago I was like, I want

506
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: to put it into a book, but I didn't want

507
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: it to be something just really kind of boring. And

508
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: I've always I love, like I said earlier, I love reading,

509
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: and I love stories, and I've always liked business parables,

510
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: things like who moved my cheese, rich Dad, poor Dad,

511
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: the Celestine Prophecy, you know, the go giver, things like that,

512
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, what would excite me

513
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: to write would be to write a story about a songwriter.

514
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 1: And of course there's liberal parts of my life, but look,

515
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 1: I've never met a twenty eight year old British billionaire

516
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: Sir Daniel Smith Daniels and all the different songwriters and

517
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 1: all the different crazy things that happened to him, you know,

518
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: it ever happened to me. And that's really And I

519
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: wanted it to be something that you know, so many

520
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: books when I you know, like often like you'll be

521
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: like growing online and it says do these five things

522
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: to live to one hundred and you click on it,

523
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: but then you start scrolling and after about ten minutes

524
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: you're looking at the ginners. You know, it's clickbait. I

525
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: like things that are actually every once in a while,

526
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: though you click and it actually to do those five things.

527
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: And I wanted the book to be that I wanted

528
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: to people. I wanted to be short. I wanted people

529
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: to read it and actually have like, oh these are

530
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: the five things. I can actually put handles on those

531
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: ideas and take them home with me, and.

532
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: Targeting, like who's your target audience.

533
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: I'm targeting people in business, people in careers, people who

534
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: have been not just music, not just music. And what

535
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: I found the reason The speech took off for people

536
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: as they as that, oh wow, what I realized before

537
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: I did that first speech and why it's kind of

538
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: it continues like I was I was just in speaking

539
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: to I was speaking to six hundred people for a

540
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: GM conference last week in San Antonio. The week before that,

541
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: I was in San Juan, Puerto Rico talking to a

542
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: ship Bob, which is a bit omnifulfillment company. What I

543
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: realized is that, oh, the same things I do in

544
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: music to stay inspired and competitive and successful in connecting

545
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: those dots from having a hit song and taking it

546
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: to the right person is is the same in every business.

547
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: And the things I do to stay successful in business

548
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: also have helped me in my relationships with my family

549
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: and my wife and stuff. And so, but I realized

550
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: that people love music. It's sexy, you know that, we

551
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: know being in music, there's nothing sexy at all about it,

552
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: Like Jesus Christ, let's let the facade remain. And so

553
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: music was like this great catalyst to get these ideas

554
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: across that everybody can use. And that was really what like.

555
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: And then being a songwriter, I realized, as you know,

556
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: like when you have an idea to write a book,

557
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: Getting yourself up every day to write those two hundred

558
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: and fifty words or five hundred words and committing to

559
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: it was so hard. But because I'd been a songwriter

560
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: and seeing that something as silly as a song idea

561
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: like want aw it was good could turn into a song,

562
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: an album, hit, a life changing thing, I knew that

563
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: you just got to continue. I knew this. I knew

564
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: the idea for the book was good because of the

565
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: speech was successful. So I just knew I needed to

566
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: write it. And then then I got, you know, the

567
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: developmental editor helping me and learning, you know, and and

568
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: being open to like, hey, this is I'm a I'm

569
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: a baby in the woods. I don't know what I'm doing.

570
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: It was really cool and it's been a really great endeavor.

571
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: Are you killing it on the speaking circuit because you're

572
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: you're mentioning a lot of places and there's a big.

573
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Yeah, Yeah, it's been great. It's it's

574
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: been like that.

575
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: I'm doing a car. I just in a couple of months,

576
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: I'm doing a car. We sorry, how you can move?

577
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: That's fine?

578
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: And it's a six figure speaking deal and it's just

579
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: those are just normally that much. But you're listening to

580
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: all these are you? Is that how you're making most

581
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 2: of your money now? Speaking bro?

582
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I am a uh no, you know I do well

583
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: on the speaking things. I don't have six figures, but

584
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, I don't have your reach and.

585
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: Your Yeah, but you have the stop pay No no, no,

586
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: that's not true at all. You have your star, but

587
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: you're mentioning all these massive It's been really cool. Yeah.

588
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: So I do about seven a year, and and it's

589
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: all word of mouth. Like I'm I'm represented by William

590
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: Morris and CA with two different music projects. Ezra's with

591
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: William Morse, but this is fun. C AA does Ezra

592
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: ray Hart the band I have with mar McGrath and

593
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Emerson Hart, and that's been turned into its own thing.

594
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: But what I found is part of the speaking agency

595
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: of W and Me. William Morris is Harry Walker, and

596
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm a speaker there with Malcolm Gladwell and all those

597
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: other illuminatis. You're probably are you one of those guys? No,

598
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: not in that grip, But they don't give me anything.

599
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: They've got me one gig. What it's really been about

600
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: is word of mouth playing shows, somebody reaching out and

601
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: DM and me and stuff like that are just people

602
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: who were have kind of segued into that business of booking,

603
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, conferences and stuff. But it's so much fun.

604
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: What I do is I go that the speech is

605
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: like I play, It's the story of my life and

606
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: the story arc of being signed, being dropped, reinventing myself,

607
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: and the songs I played the hit songs throughout zo

608
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: one man show. It's a one man show, and at

609
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: the end of it, we write a song together. The

610
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: last thing in the book and also in the speech,

611
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: is dare to be stupid and the ideas that you'll

612
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: never come up with anything truly groundbreaking unless you're prepared

613
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: to fall in your face. So let's be stupid together.

614
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: And I use the example of like J. T. Harding,

615
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: who's one of the greatest best songwriters in Nashville. He

616
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: has no filter, you know. The people who come up

617
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: with crazy ideas and aren't afraid of looking silly are

618
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: the ones that succeed. So then we write a song together,

619
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: and a week later everyone gets a fully produced demo

620
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: with me and thirty people or three thousand people.

621
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: What do you mean you write a song together. You're

622
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: doing a spit. Yeah, they're just shouting things.

623
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: So like, for example, going to San Antonio, I flew

624
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: in from Salt Lake City and I had an idea

625
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: for a song. I was like, okay, the desert. Let's

626
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: write a song called Desert Stars. So I come up

627
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: with the verse and a course, and I kind of

628
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: know the verse lyrics okay, and I get up there.

629
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, guys, I know it's ten am in

630
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: the morning, but we're gonna write a song. Here's the idea.

631
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: It's called Desert Stars. We're in the hill country or

632
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: San Antonio, and here's a here's a first verse. Of course,

633
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of dope. Let me know what

634
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: you think. And I already have a beat on my

635
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: pro tools and I hit play, and the beats playing,

636
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: I sing a long. I go, what do y'all think?

637
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty good? And somebody might say say tequila. I'm like,

638
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: that's yes, dare to be stupid, and you know, we

639
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: say tequila, and then we write the second verse together.

640
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: And it's usually just four lines and people and everybody

641
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: on their table has a sharpiees and pencils and papers,

642
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: and there's always somebody without fail who comes up with

643
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: this great line, you know. And then we're off to

644
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: the races and someone's my secretary or a man or

645
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: a woman. They write out the lyrics. Then I sing

646
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: the song and then everybody gets up. I have a

647
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: microphone in front of the stage. All the guys get up.

648
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, give me a I'm gonna go hey. Oh

649
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: they do hazen' HOAt and I'm like, what about like

650
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: desert stars? Was I like all the guys under the desert,

651
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: under the desert stars. And They'll start doing louder louder,

652
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: dare to be stupid louder. And then I'm like, yes,

653
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: I've got you. Now give me some hazing hoes. And

654
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: the girls come up, they go whoo, and then you know,

655
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: and then the guys will say hey, Sanya, Rita, and

656
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: then we just then I just a few days after

657
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: I come back home, I put it in the song.

658
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: You know, pro tools, cut and pace and they have

659
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: a song. It's really fun.

660
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: Now if one of those goes viral and then that exists,

661
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: what's the split on the publish? Check this out?

662
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: So we had a Jake Owen's hold on a YPO

663
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: song I can't remember the name of it. It was

664
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: me and about forty two people songwriters.

665
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that what I was listed at?

666
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.

667
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: That's funny, I know, right.

668
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: Wow, we interrupt this interview to bring you a message

669
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Speaker 3: from our sponsor. Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

670
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: So the book has a lot of your successful, famous

671
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: people on it that are also a standing and going, hey,

672
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: this guy's good. We trust him, we would I look

673
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: at it. Peyton Manning's on the car. Yeah, I mean

674
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: I'm not really, I'm on this.

675
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: Well you're no, you're You're in the biggest spot. You're

676
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: in sixteen point front and everybody else.

677
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: I knew, I knew you were going to do it.

678
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: You should have made me a fake should have made

679
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: me a fake version. So you do you know Peyton Manning?

680
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: I do know Peyton?

681
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: How do you know?

682
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: Obviously he's New Orleans, New Orleans guys. So since you

683
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: know there's three brothers, there's everybody knows Cooper now, right.

684
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Cooper was always the funniest one, and he apparently was like,

685
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: it's a great athlete. But then he got this kind

686
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: of stenosis of the spine that kind of messed his

687
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: arm up. Cooper was a big Ezra fan and I

688
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: think he turned Peyton and Eli onto the band, and

689
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: man they would come to They would come to aller

690
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Tipotina shows in New Orleans, but more fun when we

691
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: played Indianapolis, Peyton would come bring his whole offensive line,

692
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: you know. And every time we did this time of year,

693
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: will there's a football in the air, he would throw

694
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: the football out in New York City at Irving Plaza.

695
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Eli would get up. There was one awesome time where

696
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Peyton and Eli got on State at Irving Closet in

697
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: New York and throw the football out. And we've just

698
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: been tight with those guys, you know, Like we did

699
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: Red Rocks with bare naked ladies last year and Peyton

700
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: got out through the ball.

701
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's awesome.

702
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: There's such and they're like organic fans. They're so there's

703
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: so they know all the songs, they can sing along

704
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: and they're so good. But they're also you know those guys,

705
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they also will screw with you. Like last time,

706
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: right before I'm fired up, it's my first time to

707
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: play Red Rocks and Peyton's like, yo, Kevin, you sure

708
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: you want to wear that shirt out on state giving

709
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: me shit, Give me shit.

710
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: That was nice of them to take the front page

711
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: of the book though, you know it was really good.

712
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: Guy doesn't have enough.

713
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: They paid me really well, yeah, to put because he's like, listen,

714
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: we need a little boost to a sagging career. Could

715
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: you could he be the guy on the front you.

716
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: Mentioned do you have allergies at all? I'm gonna take

717
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: an allergy pill?

718
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: No, do it?

719
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 2: But that's what's up.

720
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: No do it? Adderall is a slippery slope.

721
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: You know, I have to take I have to take

722
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: allergy medicine probably from now until August every day. Oh

723
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: really yeah? But then I don't.

724
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: I sometimes I'll take like a claton or something.

725
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: They give me an EpiPen too, and it's never been

726
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: so so you've got a bad It's never been. I've

727
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: never had it to the point of having to use it.

728
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: But for some reason, every time they're like, do you

729
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: have your EpiPen just in case?

730
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, for what, well, are you like allergic to

731
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: hornets and yellow jackets?

732
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: Not that I know of.

733
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: They did. We could try to. We could just do

734
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: a test.

735
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: What's that I want to do with that crap? We

736
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: just get a whole bunch of hornets and yellow jacket.

737
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Walk there, we can find a yellow jacket's nest.

738
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: I did that test where they put like a scratcher

739
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: back with all this stuff.

740
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: They still do that. Yeah.

741
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: I walked out and they did like twenty seven things

742
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: on me, and I walked out and they were like, okay,

743
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: you're you're allergic to I don't remember I should. It's

744
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: like rag times three, Chinese maple sauce, all these things.

745
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't even know if they're hearing sauce. And they're like,

746
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: and you need an EpiPen.

747
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: Justine party with some Chinese maple sauce at Yeah. Yeah,

748
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: it was up for three days in Vegas.

749
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: Well, pardon my my allergy pill. They're partly taking that.

750
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Oh good brother.

751
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: You mentioned bear naked ladies.

752
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

753
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: Why does Ed hate me?

754
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: Wait?

755
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: What you know?

756
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: I've written like all the singles on their past four

757
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: or five records with with D We had the best time.

758
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: Ed Robertson would love Bobby.

759
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: Ed Robertson wouldn't acknowledge anything that I would send him

760
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: on social media. I would message him. I would write

761
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: in his comments everything.

762
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: Should we just should we just text him right now.

763
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, because I am the biggest BNL fan.

764
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: They are such an amazing band, and I get to

765
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: write the songs with Ed that I could never write

766
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: with any other artist. You know, we we we a

767
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: song called duct Tape Heart, you know, writing about duct tape,

768
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: our love of Dug say. But you know, we just

769
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: get to you know, we get to write this. It's

770
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: just we have so much fun. He's one of the smartest,

771
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: most He's actually maddeningly talented. He'll kick your ass in cornhole.

772
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: He's a pilot. He wrote this is interesting. This is

773
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: a cool kind of peek behind the curtain. The song

774
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: that's been most successful for him is the big bang Thing.

775
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: And he said, I'm not going to let him repeat

776
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: this because he's going to do the Bobby Casks. He's

777
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: going to be myth dude, he is. He is a fan,

778
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: trusts me. He doesn't know yet, but he Okay, no,

779
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't know. But he was, like, he told me

780
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: about writing the song. He goes, Kevin, it's a hit

781
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: song every quarter. This song is a world worldwide. You know,

782
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: it's in syndication all over the world in eighty different languages.

783
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: You know, and that song. It's nuts that people who

784
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: make the most in the songwriting business are the television writers,

785
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: television composers. I was hit this thing right before the pandemic.

786
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: It was the b ANDI Songwriters Fest and kawhi, you've

787
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: done done that. And I was there. I mean, Chris

788
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: kus Starffin was there, was there, Willie Neilson. I had

789
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: to sing wah ah, I did good a private show

790
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: right in front of Chris Kustofferson and Willie Nelson. But

791
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: it was all these like Miranda Lambert was there, Maren Morris.

792
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: But the guy Mike O'Neil from BMI said, he said,

793
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, the most successful guy in this room, and

794
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: I was like, no, he goes right over there. I flew.

795
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: I flew over here from LA on his G five.

796
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: Mike Post who wrote the theme from Taxi, Hill Street Blues,

797
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: all Rockford Files to this day, he writes, you know,

798
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: hits theme songs and stuff. That's where the really stupid

799
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: money is. That's like the biggest BMI and ASCAT writers

800
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: really every year are always going to be Trent Resner

801
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: or you know, all these big television and film writers.

802
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: Like Resnor for like the Facebook movie.

803
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: What did I just I just saw.

804
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: What was it?

805
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: The Blinding Light? It was a new Sam Mendes film

806
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: that they did Atticus and and Trent did.

807
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: Were you a nine inch Nell's guy? It wasn't my

808
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: thing me either. I was now that I'm past it

809
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: and it's not as scary to me and as dark,

810
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: and I kind of understand it for what it was

811
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: now better in my rear view. Then I appreciated it

812
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: then because it was too much for.

813
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: It was too much, it was too relentless. This was interesting.

814
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: So when I when they were having their biggest success,

815
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: like Closer and all those songs, they lived in New Orleans.

816
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: Trent lived like five blocks for me. We both lived

817
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: in the Garden District and he had this converted funeral

818
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: home on Magazine Street was called Hot Snake Studio that

819
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: was converted into a studio used.

820
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: To be a funeral home. Mortuary music that has.

821
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Been all and like I went in there one night.

822
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: I kind of invited. I met this friend and we

823
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: was like, let's go to Trent Rezors party?

824
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: Was that partially for effect I did?

825
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: It was so dark and may Marilyn Manson was there,

826
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, what man to work

827
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: this hard, to be this dark and scary. It just

828
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: seems exhausting to me. And I'm just not that guy.

829
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: But do you think that the whole by the funeral

830
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: home for us? Dude, like you could have buy any building, right,

831
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: But do you think because that was his thing or

832
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: was it so much as real thing that that was

833
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: his thing?

834
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: I think he was. I think when you hear interviews,

835
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: he was in a really dark place. You know, I

836
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: don't think he was living the healthiest life. I'll let

837
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: him elaborate on that. But I did go to his house.

838
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: I went to his house. I was gonna move and

839
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I went and looked at his house when I was

840
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: on the market. In the gardener John Goodman from Roseanne

841
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: Fame ended up buying that house. Who's I think they

842
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: repainted New Orleans guy.

843
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: My suggests he's the part of his brand.

844
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: He is married to Annabeth Goodman, who is a good

845
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: friend and she and she owns Pippin Lane, which is

846
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: the coolest little children's store. Magazine Street.

847
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: You mentioned some of your songs a minute ago Peytonny

848
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: would come out, so that same song, Yeah, I'm here.

849
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: I've told the story like five times, but you'd let

850
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: people come out.

851
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: And play it. Oh yeah, yeah.

852
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, want to come up. I

853
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: was as a kid teenager. He said come up. So

854
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: I got on stage and I took the guitar. I

855
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: played left handed. I don't play right handed, and I

856
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: don't know how to play it. And you say get

857
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: off stage.

858
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: I said, I love you, but you have to go

859
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: off the stage now with love with love you scary?

860
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: Was this the moment?

861
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: I remember? It was my moment to get up with

862
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: my favorite band and I was like, I know the

863
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: song and I get up there handed and there was

864
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: no left handed guitar. Yeah. I felt like somebody who

865
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: didn't have But clearly.

866
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: It didn't stop you. Maybe maybe that was the moment,

867
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: Maybe that more public shaming was the thing that you

868
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: needed every day. It was like, I'll show Kevin Griffin.

869
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: I really was going to get is best version you

870
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: ever heard?

871
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: When your books came out and they were New York

872
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: Times best sellers, like I Show Kevin Griffin The Son

873
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: of a Bitch.

874
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: So good is a big hit for you guys? How

875
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: big did it get during that first single for Better

876
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: than Azra? Did you get lost in it at all.

877
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Uh, you know what, I think if I would have

878
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: gotten lost if it had happened. When I wrote it,

879
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: it was five years old, like was you know, twenty

880
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: two when it came out, but we had been kind

881
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: of I was twenty seven, I think, maybe about to

882
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: turn twenty eight. That we lied about our age. Like

883
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: if you go on Facebook, it says I'm two years

884
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: younger than I actually am. It says I'm fifty four,

885
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: but I'm fifty six. I can say that now it

886
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: sounds pathetic, but at the time I was like, I'm

887
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: taking it now, leave it. Leave it. Yeah, But so

888
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: you wanted to be younger. You felt like, well, it's

889
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: actually comical to think. But we weren't signed. We were

890
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven and Ban's younger than this. We're getting signed.

891
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: We're like, we gotta lie about our Hey, what is

892
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: your age? And we said, but two years younger. It

893
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: sounds silly. But now my buddies when it's my birthday

894
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: and you know, I have friends from college or whatever

895
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: live all over the country, maybe in Des Moines, it'll

896
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: be a slow news day and it says today, you know,

897
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: people born new Jimmy Carter's at October first, Kevin Griffin

898
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: from Better Than Nazara fifty four years old. My friends

899
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: will just text me a screenshet. They're like like, you're pathetic.

900
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, fifty four years old.

901
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: After good but good, I didn't lose it. Go after

902
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: it runs its course as a single and you're going

903
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: to the next What was the second single?

904
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: In the Blood? Okay, in the Blood and it was

905
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: shot by uh By Frank Cockinfell's who's done some of

906
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: the most iconic covers of Rolling Stone magazine. He's a

907
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: photographer first that did videos and that was his first,

908
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: one of his first videos. The third single was Rosalia.

909
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: This is how crazy how in the nineties how much

910
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: money the labels were making. Most most videos cost about

911
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: two fifty three hundred k. You know back then now

912
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: you get a great video for like five K, but

913
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: they were two fifty three hundred k with huge production.

914
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: We shot the first video by a guy named Joseph

915
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Coltice who did a lot of nine inch nails covers.

916
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: The label didn't like it, so they were like, no,

917
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: we need we want another one, so we flew to

918
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: La Frank. They paid for yeah, two hundred and fifty thousand,

919
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: and they were just like, naw, yeah, we don't like it,

920
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: but we paid for half of that. Yeah, so we

921
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: were yeah, was recoupable. I mean we were naive. So

922
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: we fly to La and the producer of the Rosalia

923
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: the second version, version two, was like, so we want someone.

924
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Frank wants this young actress to be This was a

925
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: girl named Rebecca. She was from New Zealand as a

926
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: new actress. She's in a new Robert Rodriguez film called Desperado.

927
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Her name is Selma Hyak. I think you'll find it

928
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: quite suitable to be Rosalia and I was like, great,

929
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: so Rosalie. If you go online, Rosalia is played by

930
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: Selma Hyak. But the best part about shooting the video,

931
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: all the b roll with a Selma was shot Apart

932
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: from us. We did our live show, but we had

933
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: the rap party at the Ivy on Robertson. It's a

934
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: little you know, it's a restaurant, kind of snooty, but

935
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: they have amazing chop salads. So we were all there

936
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: was a rap party. Everybody was drinking the Ivy gimlets,

937
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: which were super strong, and at the end of the

938
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: dinner's like fourteen of us. Everyone's having a great time

939
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: getting their drink on. Sama goes like, does anybody, Uh yeah,

940
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: does anybody want to go salsa dancing? And nobody said anything,

941
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, I do so Selmahayak and I

942
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: got in her car and we went to East La

943
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: and she taught me how to Susa dance and we

944
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of had fun and hung out for a couple

945
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: of weeks and she was super cool. That's awesome. Yeah,

946
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: what happened in the first video though? Oh so the

947
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: first video I have no idea, and so we were

948
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty thousand dollars in and the Selma

949
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 1: Hyak video I think got played thirteen times on MTV.

950
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Well when you half a million.

951
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: Dollars and where is the first like could you? I mean,

952
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: if you had, I don't even would it have been

953
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: like an archive at the label? You know?

954
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: Maybe probably is the Joseph Colties. It was super dark.

955
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: That would be really cool, be cool to release.

956
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, like, are like the Desperately Wanting

957
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: video off of the Friction Baby album that was done

958
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: by Nigel Dick who did Uh What's the Story Morning

959
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: Glory and Uh Wonderwall I mean it's a really cool

960
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean, we did some cool videos. I mean we

961
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: always aspired to be Radiohead or something like that, who

962
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: always did cool videos, you know, but we weren't that lucky.

963
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: Some of our videos were silly.

964
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: When you're when good crushes and that's on pop radio.

965
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 2: And then even Rosalie I would hear that more on

966
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: rock radio or atern because it was more alt. I'd

967
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: hear that alter like the Edge in Dallas. And it

968
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 2: wasn't until probably Desperately Wanting that I feel like again

969
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: I started to hear it back on the pop radio again.

970
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: You know who was big for us was nine in

971
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: nine X in Atlanta, Leslie Fram you know, she was

972
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: on the morning show there. Yeah, they really broke Jimmy

973
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Yeah, yeah, it was.

974
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: A born Dave jim Burn. They were like morning show forever.

975
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: They're back doing it now.

976
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: They're back doing I'm thinking I'm doing it next week.

977
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: Really think I'm to do eight am Desperately Wanting. You know,

978
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: looking back, the first single from the Friction Baby album

979
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: was King of New Orleans. In hindsight, it should have

980
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: been Desperately Wanting. That was the song that reacted and

981
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: I think that album, I think the Friction Baby album

982
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 1: would have done, you know, done as many copies as deluxe,

983
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, but as it was, it went platinum barely.

984
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, it was desperately just kind of just

985
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: resonated with people.

986
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like that one felt to me like

987
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 2: a fun dark if that's possible.

988
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: You know. Da it was the nineties. In the nineties,

989
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, you had a lot of times I'll be

990
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: playing now you know, we play, We'll do like a

991
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: corporate event or now you know what. The band's been

992
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: around long enough to where we will do privates and

993
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: it's first somebody's fiftieth birthday party, right, and we're playing

994
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: songs and it gets desperately the warning and it's like

995
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: when they pumped out you guts field, you full of

996
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: those pills, everybody.

997
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: Party by it was still such a strong build up.

998
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: I remember running through the wet grass fall and so yeah,

999
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: it was like fun dark.

1000
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: It was fun dark. Yeah. And in the nineties though,

1001
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: you were it was you, it was you were encouraged.

1002
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: You just wrote heavy lyrics. It needed to have meat

1003
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: and it had to be something, and so many of

1004
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: those early songs for me were really. Uh, we're heavy.

1005
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: But some of my favorite songs, like when you pull

1006
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: back the layers, like some of some big pop songs,

1007
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: they kind of have dark lyrics.

1008
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: M yeah, uh extraordinary, A bit different though, Yes, that

1009
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: one felt completely completely different. I played that. I was

1010
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: just doing pop radio at the time, Like on the radio,

1011
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: I played that one that out. That was the Orange

1012
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm just that was the closer record. Yeah, and that

1013
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: was what was that like? Orange? It was kind of

1014
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: yellow than cold severely really yeah, but it was orangeist right,

1015
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: show me about here?

1016
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: Okay, good Orange?

1017
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you? But that song was was up.

1018
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make fun of your color blindness

1019
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that you were left handed and I

1020
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: sent you back into the audience. I've got to make

1021
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: that up to you.

1022
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: Well you kind of did. You played our big charity

1023
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: I know, right? Yeah?

1024
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: Would you see you let me perform for the first

1025
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: time on the rhyme stage. I've never performed there before

1026
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: really or after? Well, you walk up, see what to

1027
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: do for you on stage? Do what you did for

1028
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: me on a stage? You know, exactly the opposite. This

1029
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be some color crap. Why don't at Pilgrimage festival.

1030
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: You on the stage with the left handed see my

1031
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: wife gifts and now we're going to get you great. No, no,

1032
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: this is it.

1033
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm not going to run a great song. No, no, no,

1034
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 2: this is about you unless you were Unless you turn

1035
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: me off and you just let me fake it.

1036
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: You're good.

1037
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: No, I'm okay. But there are so many people there

1038
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: that want to want to see you guys do that

1039
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: song because that is a cult that's a cult song.

1040
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: It's not my favorite songs from you guys, and it

1041
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: was never a bag song.

1042
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, people love that song. I wish it would have

1043
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: been a single. I wish we'd recorded it better that

1044
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: That whole album was as Azer's biggest, you know album

1045
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: it always will be. It was recorded on a half

1046
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: inch analog tape, not even like professional grade, and when

1047
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: you when you a be it next to some other music,

1048
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: it's sound you can tell sonically it's not there. But

1049
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: I wish that song this time of year would have

1050
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: been a single. But this time of year, you're on stage,

1051
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: if you're in town.

1052
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: What I was just talk about pilrimage because we can

1053
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: use this also for what we always do every year

1054
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: with pilgrimage. We can talk about it, and I can

1055
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: take it and place it on the radio. Gives well,

1056
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: so what do we got here about? We got about

1057
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: seven eight minutes. So let's first of all to conclude

1058
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: about the book. It is not just a songwriter's book.

1059
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: It is a book generally about I'm not even going

1060
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 2: to say success, because my second book, Fail Until You Don't,

1061
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: is not about success. It's about hopefully the end product

1062
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: is some sort of success, but it's about what it

1063
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: takes and a lot of the things that you have

1064
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: to take in order to get there. And it feels

1065
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: like this book is kind of that too, where you

1066
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: kind of give freedom to experiment, to fall, be foolish

1067
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: because it takes that. It takes you trying things to

1068
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 2: be able to actually find them exactly just and trying

1069
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: them sometimes can result and things that are embarrassing.

1070
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: Or what I found is that is that everything I

1071
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: always thought the way I was in business and success

1072
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: and the way I wasn't my family and we're different,

1073
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: and I realized at some point it is all connected.

1074
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: And if I conduct myself the way the way I

1075
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: should and creatively in songwriting and business and do use

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00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: those tools like listening and contrary action and checking my

1077
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: ego in my personal life. Everything got gets amazing and

1078
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm so much more successful. And that's what this book

1079
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: is about. That is all connected and that was the

1080
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: big AHA moment for me.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so everybody get the book. It's called The Greatest Song.

1082
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: Spark creativity, ignite your career, and transform your life. We

1083
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: talked about it before Kevin got here, but there it

1084
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: is again. Now from that we got a few minutes

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Speaker 2: Pilgrimage Festival. You guys hit a home run with Zach

1086
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Speaker 2: Bryan booking.

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Speaker 1: Dude, is that one of.

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00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Those where you're like, we knew he was going to

1089
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: be awesome, but we didn't know he was.

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00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: Going to be this boy. We had no idea. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Zach Bryan phenomenon is gray and as

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00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 1: a producer you're always hoping you get that booking before

1093
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: they get big. Look the first year Pilgrimage twenty fifteen,

1094
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: the third the third act on the stage on our

1095
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: second st age was Chris Stapleton, you know, and then

1096
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: fast forward six years later we're paying him a lot

1097
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: more money to headline. You always want to do that.

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00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: Last year we had John Batisse before all the Grammy nominations,

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00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: but that but Zach is a whole his whole, next

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Speaker 1: level and it's a phenomenon. And when we were able

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00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: to lock him down, we were very excited.

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Speaker 2: The Lumineers, oh.

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00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: Who are so great live, They're insane live.

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00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: So when you booked that far out, Zach Brian feels like,

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00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: because I assume you have booked this a year in advance, right,

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00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: yeah close? Yeah, yeah, I mean Zach Bryan feels like

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00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: a little riskier than the Lumineers because the Zach Bryan

1108
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: monster that it is now, although it was growing and

1109
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: it was eating, it wasn't as big. So I felt

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Speaker 2: like that was a little bit of a gamble.

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00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 1: Zach kind of happened. We're one of the Now every

1112
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: festival is getting them, it's getting him to headline. But

1113
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: US and Railbird were the first festivals were like, you know,

1114
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: this guy is a headline it's a headline artist. And

1115
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: we could already, you know, we already had a ear

1116
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: to the ground and we were already already starting to

1117
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: see the phenomenon and what he was doing on his

1118
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: own shows at Red Rock and stuff. But still it

1119
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: was a leap, but you know, we have it's a

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00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: great group of people, and we had a few people like,

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00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: trust me, this is a great this is a great

1122
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: get for this festival. It's going to be huge. And

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Speaker 1: he's such a cool dude as well.

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00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 2: We had a deal when I was in Austin and

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00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: we had to book this show. We were doing something

1126
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: called a second Chance prom which back in the day

1127
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: was cool but now everybody's done it one hundred times.

1128
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: But they had We had ten thousand bucks to book

1129
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: an artists, right, and so we booked this this new

1130
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: artist who had a single, who had just come out,

1131
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: and we spent all ten thousand dollars on her. And

1132
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: she was a little centric, but I was I felt

1133
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: pretty good that she would at least have some success.

1134
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: Six months later, whenever the show happened, it was Lady Gaga.

1135
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: And by the time she came to play this venue

1136
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: that we had reserved for eight hundred people, she was

1137
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: so freaking big that there were more people outside trying

1138
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: to get into the more inside the place.

1139
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: That's amazing as lighting in a bottle. And remember that

1140
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: I was in this weekend. I was with my wife

1141
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: in Mexico City, it was her birthday. Went for the

1142
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: first time and we heard the first Lady Gaga single.

1143
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Remember that song? You remember what it was?

1144
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: Just answer? Yeah, that was the one.

1145
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it's such a good song.

1146
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard.

1147
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. I remember I was

1148
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: living in La at Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf. When

1149
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: I heard the song of the first time, I was like,

1150
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: this is a good song.

1151
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: Another act that you have that I love just a

1152
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: there are so many acts. This is like f for me,

1153
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 2: Like I love the Black Crows. Adam can play my show.

1154
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: I've never seen them live.

1155
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: They're great, They're still great, and they have so many songs, right,

1156
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: that's what it's about, the songs. But the Head and

1157
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: the Heart, like, that's where it is for me. That's

1158
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: what I listened to when it's like, what do you

1159
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: listen to for fun? The Head and the Heart.

1160
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: Head in the Heart is a band. I love that

1161
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: first record. You know, they've gotten better and better every

1162
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: album and this new album and now they're kind of

1163
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: writing with the writing with Justin Tranter and I think

1164
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: Ashley Gorley may have written one of the big songs

1165
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: on this new album. They're just getting smarter and better.

1166
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: They're selling out big replaced. They did a send Empathy

1167
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: to last year, sold it out. I've kind of gotten

1168
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: to be friends with their manager, a guy named Matt

1169
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: Shay who also manages Charlie Worsham. A great guy and

1170
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: so just kind of starting to know the dynamics of

1171
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: that band. I'm so fired up to have them on.

1172
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Speaker 2: Haley Witters, who I love, is playing the festival.

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00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: That was one of the artists. I was like, we

1174
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: have to get Hailey Witterers, you know, I think she

1175
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: feels just kind of a country or Casey Musgraves to me.

1176
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: You know, authentic isn't the right word, because Casey's super authentic.

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00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: She's a badass. But there's something about Haley that she's

1178
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: got a little bit of Casey bet her own thing too.

1179
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: This festival has really grown and I feel like now

1180
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: it has a cleat in the ground. Yeah, where anytime

1181
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 2: you launch any sort of festival, any sort of series

1182
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: of shows, it's just like you're one, it's a risk.

1183
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna lose money too, you know. It's that. But

1184
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: I feel like now you guys have something where people

1185
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: expect it and they expect it to be good. Yeah,

1186
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 2: do you feel the same.

1187
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: I do feel the same.

1188
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1189
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: It's man, everything we thought, well, isn't going to be

1190
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: true that more experienced people told us turned out to

1191
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: be true. They're like, you're gonna you're gonna lose your ass.

1192
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: Year one. You're gonna lose your ass. Year two, we're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1193
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna do fine, and then you lose your ass.

1194
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: Or one guy from from uh who does acl and

1195
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: and Laala in Chicago, he said, he was like, what

1196
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: is the minimum amount of tickets? You think you'll sell

1197
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: them the first year and we're like twelve thousand. He said,

1198
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: you'll sell six thousand tickets.

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00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: And he was right, you know.

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00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: But we made it through, and you know, year three

1201
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: we had justin Timberlake and that was a big game changer.

1202
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: And then the next year we get rained out, you know,

1203
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: and then we didn't realize that when you rain out,

1204
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: people might love your vessel, but they're the next year

1205
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, I'm gonna take a break. You know.

1206
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: We had food fighters and the killers that year, you know,

1207
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: but a lot of people didn't come because they'd been

1208
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: told to go home. When the sky was blue. Of

1209
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: course an hour later it was you know, de lugeon

1210
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: sixty nine lightning strikes owned the property. But uh, now,

1211
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: though it does feel like we're kind of just hit

1212
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: our stride, we know we're doing We've got it so

1213
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: tweaked and so dialed in, you know, from just the

1214
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: GA experience to the VIP it's just a blast to do.

1215
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: And it's just turned into a thing, you know, and

1216
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: when I go like, man, I never knew doing this

1217
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: that I was going to be on a first name

1218
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: basis with the Mayor of Franklin and all the aldermen

1219
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: and having mint tea and cucumber sandwiches with aldermen and stuff.

1220
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: But it's really been cool. And I have to do

1221
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff. It's kind of being the face of

1222
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: the festival, but I kind of really get into it.

1223
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: And it also has it also has a purpose. You know,

1224
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: there's we support like five or six different charities in Franklin.

1225
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: Fifty cents of every ticket goes to music heres Actually

1226
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: now it's gets and gifts, but uh yeah, so's it's cool.

1227
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: Pilgrimage Music and Cultural Festival back in Franklin, September twenty

1228
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: third and twenty fourth. Get your tickets at Pilgrimage Festival

1229
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: dot com. You got the book, You're still on the road,

1230
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: you're speaking, you got Pilgrimage Festival.

1231
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm trying to do?

1232
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: What what are you trying to do?

1233
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: Be Bobby Bemp.

1234
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: You don't want to do that.

1235
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: I want to be an older, more haggard Bobby.

1236
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: You don't want to be that.

1237
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: I want to be a more world weary, shaded Bobby Bones.

1238
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: And you're gonna let Ed know that he doesn't hate me.

1239
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: Dude's video here, This is gonna this is gonna be

1240
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: recorded me.

1241
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 2: I'm making a video for Fred. All right ready here Ed, Hello,

1242
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 2: it's Bobby Bones. You probably have no idea. I am

1243
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: sitting here with Kevin, longtime friends. I mean, he admires

1244
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: me so much, you probably he mean, it's just weird

1245
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: how much he admires me.

1246
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: I yes, thank Heed, listen to this man.

1247
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: And so I've been trying to get a hold of

1248
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: you for like basically years. I'd write comments on your Instagram,

1249
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: I'd send you DMS, I tweet, and I just felt

1250
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: very ignored. And I was doing an interview about songwriting

1251
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: a wildly popular podcast. It's millions. You have millions and

1252
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: millions a month. And I was like, why does ED

1253
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 2: hate me? And Kevin gave me five reasons why you

1254
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: hated me, But I just wanted to say, please, don't anymore.

1255
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: Would love to meet you in person. And I love

1256
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: bn L for life. That's what I am, all right, see, buddy, Yeah,

1257
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: let me know what he Let me know what he says.

1258
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: We're having up do go to all that stuff. The

1259
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: book which we talked about at the beginning. Will put

1260
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: in the notes to tell you M much best. We'll

1261
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: put in the notes to And I just admire you

1262
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: for dude.

1263
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: Let me let me say, and all honestly you've been

1264
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: You've been so kind always from the from the get

1265
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: go and watching your career and all the hustle you do,

1266
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: it's just badass man. And you're you're a homeboy. You're

1267
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: you're you're an Arkansas guy. I'm a Monro guy. You

1268
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: know we still listen to k TV Channel ten peckin Bluff, Arkansas.

1269
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: Did you ever do that?

1270
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 3: No?

1271
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 2: No, no, I knew it, but yes, okay, you need

1272
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: get my point. Yes I do say we had the

1273
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 2: same we were experiencing the same things exame. We were

1274
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: looking at the same star, having the same dream stars.

1275
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: That's right, all right there he is Kevin Graff and Kevin. Thanks,

1276
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: Boddy Brother, thank you. Thanks for listening to the Bobby Cast.

1277
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 3: Share this episode with a friend because they don't pay

1278
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: to advertise us.