1
00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,960
Speaker 1: Be around the NFL podcast us more stacked than the

2
00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:15,160
Speaker 1: a f C West from the beaches of southern California.

3
00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:21,680
Speaker 1: It's around the NFL up Dan Jansas on a patio

4
00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,120
Speaker 1: filled with some heroes, Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, And here

5
00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,880
Speaker 1: we are at the two thousand to NFL Media Summit

6
00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,000
Speaker 1: from the low Santa Monica Hotel and Mark, you got

7
00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,879
Speaker 1: that glow, You got that glow I'm in. I'm in

8
00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,440
Speaker 1: a place that I simply enjoy at this point because

9
00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,520
Speaker 1: we are under large umbrellas that shade us. A nice

10
00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,960
Speaker 1: ocean breeze crosses our face. I'm watching grown adults on

11
00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,440
Speaker 1: swing sets down on the beach right by the ocean. Um.

12
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,479
Speaker 1: The only thing missing is the fact that we're working

13
00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,599
Speaker 1: versus at a in a leisure setting right now. Well,

14
00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,920
Speaker 1: they're they're on the rings. They are not messing around.

15
00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,360
Speaker 1: There's some high level gymnastics going on. Uh. As he said,

16
00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,680
Speaker 1: not southern just just southern California. It's Santa Monica. This

17
00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,080
Speaker 1: is my hometown now and I guess it's not my home,

18
00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,319
Speaker 1: but it's nine years long. Um, and it's nice to

19
00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,360
Speaker 1: have a home game. If I may be personal with you, gentlemen,

20
00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,399
Speaker 1: for a moment um. I, as you know, native of

21
00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,120
Speaker 1: New York, and when I was nineteen years old, I

22
00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,399
Speaker 1: joined my uncle Stu and aunt Carrie and their children. Um,

23
00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,440
Speaker 1: they invited me to a California trip. I had never

24
00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,160
Speaker 1: been out to California before, so I got on the plane.

25
00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,440
Speaker 1: Had really never been anywhere, um at that point in

26
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,479
Speaker 1: my life. So we got on the plane, came over here,

27
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,440
Speaker 1: stayed at this very hotel and too and it looks

28
00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,840
Speaker 1: very similar as it did in right down to the

29
00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,920
Speaker 1: the grasp patch right in front of the beach right

30
00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,120
Speaker 1: behind us, right now where I remember playing whiffleball with

31
00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,200
Speaker 1: Mike and Eric. Uh. And that started kind of a

32
00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,800
Speaker 1: lifelong fascination in like a romance that I had for

33
00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,160
Speaker 1: southern California. And I think it played a role in

34
00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,400
Speaker 1: me eventually coming out here. I just have a kind

35
00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,160
Speaker 1: of a romantic viewpoint of California as an East Coaster

36
00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,720
Speaker 1: and it kind of started right here on that trip.

37
00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,799
Speaker 1: Did you discover love? Did I discover love? I would say, no,

38
00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,520
Speaker 1: you're nine. I was nineteen. Would not have been a prime,

39
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,200
Speaker 1: prime territory to have an adventure. Uh, yeah, it took me.

40
00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,400
Speaker 1: I was never the guy and I ended up in

41
00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,600
Speaker 1: a very good spot with a great woman, uh Emily.

42
00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,000
Speaker 1: But when I was younger, it took me longer to

43
00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,480
Speaker 1: figure out how to do those things. Um. And that

44
00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,239
Speaker 1: meant also, like, you know, if you're the guy going

45
00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,560
Speaker 1: on a trip to California, did you have a whirlwind

46
00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,880
Speaker 1: romance while you're out there? No, that wasn't me as

47
00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,080
Speaker 1: a team you were playing wiffleball were also I have

48
00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,280
Speaker 1: had trips like that at that age. I'm I was

49
00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,080
Speaker 1: when I first got out. I feel like that's that's

50
00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,360
Speaker 1: the logical feeling. My first time out here wasn't until

51
00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,760
Speaker 1: I was like for college internship or internship between college years,

52
00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,799
Speaker 1: and it was like, I can't imagine coming out here

53
00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,280
Speaker 1: and not thinking, oh my god, they let people live here,

54
00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,280
Speaker 1: come come live here. Why wouldn't you think that's the weather?

55
00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,560
Speaker 1: And just fell I just again, as someone from the

56
00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,000
Speaker 1: other side of the country, just like people, I just

57
00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,079
Speaker 1: like the vibe out here. And I still feel that way.

58
00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a jaded California first time I

59
00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,840
Speaker 1: came to California on not similar to yours because I

60
00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,120
Speaker 1: was not put up in a hotel. I left Grand

61
00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,840
Speaker 1: Central Station in New York City on a greyhound bus.

62
00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,960
Speaker 1: Back then you could get a one dollar trip round

63
00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,760
Speaker 1: trip to anywhere in the country. So I went to

64
00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:43,440
Speaker 1: San Francisco. We got snowed in, um all highways snowed

65
00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,360
Speaker 1: in and Cheyenne, Wyoming and had to stay in a

66
00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,360
Speaker 1: hotel with all these greyhound people for three days. Then

67
00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,160
Speaker 1: made it to San Francisco, but I had to pick

68
00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,320
Speaker 1: my mom up um at Katona station and new outside

69
00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,560
Speaker 1: of New York two days later. Three days later, so

70
00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,200
Speaker 1: I had to get right back on the greyhound bus

71
00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,840
Speaker 1: and go back. So I was in San Francisco for

72
00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,920
Speaker 1: about seven hours. Oh my god, it's like the most

73
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,440
Speaker 1: insane story I've ever heard. Did you have any romance

74
00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,720
Speaker 1: with any of the greyhounders? Actually there was, um, a

75
00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,320
Speaker 1: woman who had a child, but she was like a

76
00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,480
Speaker 1: single mom. But we wrote letters to each other for

77
00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,360
Speaker 1: a couple of years after that, we wrote letters to

78
00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 1: each other. Um. All right, there you go, the little

79
00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,880
Speaker 1: love letter to California. And here we are. Great show

80
00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:29,799
Speaker 1: coming up today. We have guests Galore. Kyle Brandt, Emmy

81
00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,280
Speaker 1: Award winning host of Good Morning Football, will join us

82
00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,760
Speaker 1: in a bit also and listen. This is something that.

83
00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,480
Speaker 1: I feel like we've been building towards and I'm a

84
00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,320
Speaker 1: little nervous about how how it was going to play out.

85
00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,400
Speaker 1: I was, but it's like we had to get rap

86
00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:52,160
Speaker 1: Sheet and Greg together, preferably with microphones on. I mean

87
00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,719
Speaker 1: by we building towards it, you're saying, I, Dan Hansas

88
00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,279
Speaker 1: was building towards this wouldn't have happened. This was you

89
00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,960
Speaker 1: and your l men. This is you bringing it together

90
00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,159
Speaker 1: for the good of the podcast. Well, I think I

91
00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,880
Speaker 1: like our friendship. It's beyond the just um content. No,

92
00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,880
Speaker 1: it's beyond it's beyond content. I knew we needed to

93
00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,279
Speaker 1: get the boys to gather mark and fireworks are expected.

94
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,800
Speaker 1: I think that, uh, when it's listened to, people will realize,

95
00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,919
Speaker 1: against what Greg just said, that you had a higher

96
00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,400
Speaker 1: purpose and uh, you know it's it's a must listen.

97
00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,800
Speaker 1: It's a trench in combo alright, So you know, don't

98
00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,919
Speaker 1: I know, now you're really interested how it goes, but

99
00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,920
Speaker 1: don't fast forward. We got a lot of other things

100
00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,520
Speaker 1: to get to, starting with any takeaways guys from the

101
00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,039
Speaker 1: NFL Media summit. It does you know we used to

102
00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,920
Speaker 1: uh we've been to about five or six of these

103
00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,000
Speaker 1: things at least by now. Um, why don't we start

104
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:52,599
Speaker 1: here because it's always fun. Chris Westling rest in peace,

105
00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,880
Speaker 1: good good man. Chris Westling. Um, he used to document

106
00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,040
Speaker 1: the corporate jargon that was uttered at these events, and

107
00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,480
Speaker 1: just a quick like idea of what it is. It's

108
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,080
Speaker 1: everyone that is on camera on Mike, that works on shows.

109
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,520
Speaker 1: Everyone's invited to this hotel for two days, and it's

110
00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:18,680
Speaker 1: a series of speeches, seminars, uh, you know, breakout groups. Um,

111
00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,400
Speaker 1: so it's middle management unloading a year's worth of meetings

112
00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,640
Speaker 1: they've been to on us also, but right, and then

113
00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,960
Speaker 1: upper management, I mean, okay, upper managed. It's the highest

114
00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,719
Speaker 1: levels of management. And then there's also a lot of

115
00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,920
Speaker 1: producers in and people behind the scenes to who are

116
00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,760
Speaker 1: here who work on the shows where shadowy League figures

117
00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,480
Speaker 1: step out of the shadows just for forty eight hours

118
00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,120
Speaker 1: in June. And as a footnote, I adore the upper

119
00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:51,680
Speaker 1: management figures people. Anyway, where's some corporate jargon? Okay, well

120
00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,800
Speaker 1: my favorite this wasn't a corporate jargon. But I just thought,

121
00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:02,440
Speaker 1: um that Operation Hoya was very intriguing because it was truly, uh,

122
00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,920
Speaker 1: a company's secret plan, which may maybe I shouldn't say it,

123
00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,800
Speaker 1: but I don't think that gives away anything. And I

124
00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,800
Speaker 1: just love that. The the the company's secret plan was

125
00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,200
Speaker 1: named Operation Hoya. But for more more corporate speak, in

126
00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,280
Speaker 1: a lot of inflection, point, a lot of point um.

127
00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,680
Speaker 1: There was a lot of when you have success, we

128
00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:31,160
Speaker 1: have success, different variations of that. Emerging avenues. Emerging avenues

129
00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,600
Speaker 1: was a good these are I think at some point

130
00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,280
Speaker 1: these people view themselves um and again I adore them

131
00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,760
Speaker 1: as creative types, so they find new ways of language

132
00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,840
Speaker 1: to describe very mundane business tactics. We were we were

133
00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,480
Speaker 1: in the A side session learning like best practices for

134
00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,160
Speaker 1: social media. They had you know, people from Instagram and stuff, uh,

135
00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,960
Speaker 1: and they were talking about, um, two fact and I

136
00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,760
Speaker 1: was like, I was, I was thinking in my head

137
00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,080
Speaker 1: two facts and that's just two factor the authentication. But

138
00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,160
Speaker 1: you can't say a two factor you just go two

139
00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,239
Speaker 1: factors total. You gotta say you gotta save that second

140
00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,960
Speaker 1: half half of a second of say two factor and

141
00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,880
Speaker 1: go to factors. And by the way, if I have

142
00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,000
Speaker 1: to use a all time famous corporate jargon I learned

143
00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,640
Speaker 1: here for the first time, I'm going to open up

144
00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:24,440
Speaker 1: the kimono here and share with you power user I had.

145
00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, but it's a good one.

146
00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,760
Speaker 1: We were separated into breakout groups too, so we didn't

147
00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,280
Speaker 1: all have the same exact experience. I think they weren't

148
00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,200
Speaker 1: um in any cases thrilling experiences, but they were differently

149
00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,240
Speaker 1: all right. That's the best part of the of the

150
00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,520
Speaker 1: summit is this. Those side groups we'll talk about maybe

151
00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,240
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that later. Some are better than others.

152
00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,199
Speaker 1: I heard this over and over. Um explosion of content,

153
00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:51,880
Speaker 1: mm hmm, yeah, explosion. Actually, that's I think an evolution

154
00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,880
Speaker 1: of fire hose of content. Yeah, well, it sounds even

155
00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,560
Speaker 1: like a little bit less more. That's similar to what

156
00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,880
Speaker 1: fire hose would come after the explore. That's similar to

157
00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,280
Speaker 1: scalable content. There was a lot of scalable. You want

158
00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,520
Speaker 1: the content to be scalable, alright, anything else. I liked

159
00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,800
Speaker 1: when they would talk about and I'm not sure I

160
00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,520
Speaker 1: totally understand this one, but it was uh they would

161
00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,880
Speaker 1: say things that we would take on a lot of friction,

162
00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,720
Speaker 1: which just hits me a different way. But they were

163
00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,439
Speaker 1: talking about like, Okay, we're gonna enter into the marketplace,

164
00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,520
Speaker 1: and there's certain aspects here that's gonna take on a

165
00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,480
Speaker 1: lot of friction. Well that just sounds flu right, That's

166
00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,200
Speaker 1: that's how I sort of took it. But it was

167
00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,520
Speaker 1: a lot of It was a lot. You are sometimes

168
00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,480
Speaker 1: known to create friction. The one of my favorite moments

169
00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,920
Speaker 1: was at the very end of the seminar second day

170
00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,240
Speaker 1: where you rose your hand during a like a town

171
00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,480
Speaker 1: hall conversation with the highest of upper management and shared

172
00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,880
Speaker 1: what I thought was a fair opinion about something to

173
00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,160
Speaker 1: do with the event, and uh, the head top dog,

174
00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,360
Speaker 1: the shadowiest of the shadowy league figures, responded, I could

175
00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,480
Speaker 1: not disagree with you more. That was funny. And this

176
00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,240
Speaker 1: was part two because there was a minor irritation from

177
00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,760
Speaker 1: the high up execut towards Greg. Two days in a

178
00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,880
Speaker 1: grow and this is Greg is a good parents. So

179
00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,440
Speaker 1: he left to transport his children to summer camp. Greg right, okay,

180
00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,760
Speaker 1: so summer camps. So yesterday he left without causing any

181
00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,199
Speaker 1: No one seemed to know because it's like he could

182
00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,280
Speaker 1: be getting up to getting glass of water. This time.

183
00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,880
Speaker 1: It came right while this high up executive was, you know,

184
00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,959
Speaker 1: getting land based with tough questions and as Gregg's sort

185
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,719
Speaker 1: of dismissively got up and rolled out of the room.

186
00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,520
Speaker 1: Hyper stinky came from executive towards Gregg. So then this this, this,

187
00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,120
Speaker 1: this lie encounter happened later about a couple. So it's

188
00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,320
Speaker 1: just another figure. Greg just has so many people that

189
00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,480
Speaker 1: he It's one of your great skills. Greg. Also the

190
00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,040
Speaker 1: point that you made, and it's too esoteric for the

191
00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,800
Speaker 1: audience to care about, and we should keep it a

192
00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,920
Speaker 1: little bit behind the kimono. But Greg's point that he

193
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,880
Speaker 1: made after the top official on stage disagreed with Greg.

194
00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,760
Speaker 1: Sitting directly behind me, Michael Irvine, who was either much

195
00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,839
Speaker 1: of much of the seminar either sleeping or talking on

196
00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,160
Speaker 1: a cell phone, and the low volume um he was

197
00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,360
Speaker 1: just saying, as the answer is being given, shooting down

198
00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,720
Speaker 1: Greg's point. He was going, yep, ye, that would never work.

199
00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,000
Speaker 1: This is here's the thing. Though, I had many people

200
00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720
Speaker 1: come up to me and appreciate what I said, because

201
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,720
Speaker 1: I was speaking to a lot of reporter right now,

202
00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,160
Speaker 1: I get it, But I'm saying, Mike, Michael was in

203
00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,640
Speaker 1: the minority among the talent and producers that were there,

204
00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,280
Speaker 1: because all I was voicing was a frustration with this

205
00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,840
Speaker 1: event in particular, and how he could do a better

206
00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,160
Speaker 1: job with it in the future and as a company.

207
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,479
Speaker 1: And it was the exact same thing that literally every

208
00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,319
Speaker 1: not every not literally every, but many other people were

209
00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,120
Speaker 1: all talking about throughout the weekend. And I heard a

210
00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of people after, and I heard one of the

211
00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,920
Speaker 1: top executives come up after and almost was Apologeck and

212
00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,320
Speaker 1: he's like, I tried to push that same same idea

213
00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,560
Speaker 1: and it got shut down, and he talked to himself

214
00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,040
Speaker 1: to not be worried. But but this made me more worried.

215
00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,079
Speaker 1: If he hadn't said anything. He's like, just making sure

216
00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,000
Speaker 1: you're okay. Though I liked there was one very talented

217
00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,160
Speaker 1: female reporter that texted me what during Greg's fraucus? Justice

218
00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,079
Speaker 1: for Greg, so I you did have support inside the um,

219
00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,520
Speaker 1: but God's wrong with me that I'm Once you realize

220
00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,439
Speaker 1: you're the person that keeps getting into confrontations with people

221
00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,400
Speaker 1: at work, and some that's something to look You have

222
00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,439
Speaker 1: to look at what's the problem you are. You're potentially

223
00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,160
Speaker 1: the B line. But I had another prominent podcaster at

224
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:35,400
Speaker 1: this company during Greg's confrontation text me two words odd

225
00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,000
Speaker 1: fight because it was and since I brought up my

226
00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,600
Speaker 1: I didn't say who it was. You want to hear

227
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,440
Speaker 1: one more Michael Irv because he's the best of these.

228
00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,000
Speaker 1: And I gotta give Michael Irvan credit. The man is

229
00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,079
Speaker 1: a three time super Bowl champion. He's a legit, like

230
00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,040
Speaker 1: one of the more well known sports personalities in America.

231
00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,360
Speaker 1: He's at this event both days, every minute. Okay, I'm

232
00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,439
Speaker 1: not saying he's totally plugged in. He's sitting directly behind me.

233
00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,120
Speaker 1: And it's just that's that's true of all the time talent.

234
00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,360
Speaker 1: And he's so he's so famous, he could be totally

235
00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,920
Speaker 1: checked out, but sometimes all of a sudden, he's super

236
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,680
Speaker 1: checked in. And at one point they were showing a

237
00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,240
Speaker 1: like a chart that was plotting like the traditional TV

238
00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,040
Speaker 1: usage trends, and and and then why do we need that?

239
00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,400
Speaker 1: The guests and the and the speaker was like this

240
00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,040
Speaker 1: is really amazing, and then out of nowhere, Urvan, who

241
00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:34,160
Speaker 1: I thought was sleeping, goes, yes it is. Wait, he's

242
00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,200
Speaker 1: paying attention to the usage chart. I think he probably

243
00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,120
Speaker 1: had like he was. He was just like the same

244
00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,199
Speaker 1: way on this show with sound bites towards a certain person,

245
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,720
Speaker 1: they're just maybe Michael Irvan sound bites that he'd pressed

246
00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,199
Speaker 1: play on to make people think he was he had

247
00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,640
Speaker 1: a marked SoundBite. You could just play it at will.

248
00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,280
Speaker 1: I have plenty, just pick one one just for fun.

249
00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm with myself. Also we get that mark,

250
00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,880
Speaker 1: we get there, so you will be Urban would be

251
00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,079
Speaker 1: a weird would be high on my list of players

252
00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,280
Speaker 1: or other on air personalities that I would take in

253
00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,439
Speaker 1: a draft of the breakout room. So we get divided

254
00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,560
Speaker 1: into three different breakout rooms, and then we go into

255
00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of different sessions. And I've learned over over

256
00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,680
Speaker 1: these years and we've done these. We've done a lot

257
00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,760
Speaker 1: of these. Now that that's to me, that's the best

258
00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,280
Speaker 1: part of the couple of days because that's where some

259
00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,680
Speaker 1: tough questions are being asked, where uh, some upper management's

260
00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,120
Speaker 1: feet really get put to the fire. Um. Urban would

261
00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,840
Speaker 1: be high on my list just for like the comedy

262
00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,120
Speaker 1: of it. He would maybe be fun in those I

263
00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,800
Speaker 1: had a great We had a great room, Like I

264
00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,520
Speaker 1: had a lot of people that I would draft high,

265
00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,600
Speaker 1: Like who would you be your first draft pick? If

266
00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,080
Speaker 1: if you're taking people for those if I wanted like

267
00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,960
Speaker 1: hard hitting questions, anything anything, give me Jim Trotter interesting,

268
00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,240
Speaker 1: I enjoyed Mike Garifolo as always. But I my, we

269
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,240
Speaker 1: had Steve Smith in the room and Kurt Warner, and

270
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,440
Speaker 1: I was sitting next Steve Smith and Court Warner. I

271
00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,520
Speaker 1: was kind of like fanning out a little bit, to

272
00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,160
Speaker 1: be honest. It's just like these guys are still basically

273
00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,160
Speaker 1: in the locker room sometimes in these sessions, and they

274
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,840
Speaker 1: speak their mind and Kurt Warner takes like the quarterback

275
00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,320
Speaker 1: encouraging quarterback leadership role. But then Steve Smith does the

276
00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,760
Speaker 1: Steve Smith thing. He'll go on a ten minute ran

277
00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,680
Speaker 1: that totally takes the speaker and dissembles them. We're hoping. Yeah,

278
00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,440
Speaker 1: Steve said always very nice to the to us around

279
00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,320
Speaker 1: the NFL show. Get familiar with him. We spoke with him.

280
00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,240
Speaker 1: He he, like many of the players, get very early flights,

281
00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,240
Speaker 1: maybe even before the whole thing's over. And he was

282
00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,000
Speaker 1: out of here, but he said he's gonna be in

283
00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,720
Speaker 1: l a quite a bit this fall and then it

284
00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,960
Speaker 1: will be coming on the show working on that. We'll

285
00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,360
Speaker 1: justin handled reaching out to Steve Smith. Yeah, and then

286
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,000
Speaker 1: you have to record those conversations. Um Claibron would be

287
00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,240
Speaker 1: very high on my list of the side bringing up.

288
00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,480
Speaker 1: Just one quick note. Claibron was sitting next to who

289
00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,120
Speaker 1: are you guys sitting next dude during the summer. I

290
00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,160
Speaker 1: was next to Jeremiah not Jeremiah was next to Cynthia

291
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,200
Speaker 1: and m J D. I was next to Taylor Bishatti

292
00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,320
Speaker 1: Uh and Ian Rappaport who never showed up on day

293
00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,160
Speaker 1: one in the seat but he was here today. Wow.

294
00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:15,520
Speaker 1: I was next to D'Angelo Hall and then Mark Ross,

295
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,320
Speaker 1: the former Giants. So Claibann is next to Michael Irvin

296
00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,960
Speaker 1: and I I wish Claiborn was here because I got

297
00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,440
Speaker 1: to talk to him about this. By the end of

298
00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,920
Speaker 1: the second day, every time Irvin would say something and

299
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,840
Speaker 1: laugh uproariously, he would like lean back and like make

300
00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,520
Speaker 1: eye contact with Claibon and then claiban By the end

301
00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,800
Speaker 1: of it, he was like the Ed McMann to Johnny Carson,

302
00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,160
Speaker 1: like Claiborn was like, ah, you are correct sir, and

303
00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,240
Speaker 1: they were just having a great time together. We did that.

304
00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,160
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that. That is amazing. Claibon, who I basically

305
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,320
Speaker 1: stole his question when when I was annoying the executive

306
00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,240
Speaker 1: just things that he had been talking about but had

307
00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,040
Speaker 1: the worst take of all time and used. It made

308
00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,160
Speaker 1: me happy that even the one of the great takesmen

309
00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,960
Speaker 1: of our time, Claibann, could have bad takes, which was

310
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,440
Speaker 1: that there are as many men's small items of clothing

311
00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,439
Speaker 1: at stores as men's large and extra large. And I

312
00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,359
Speaker 1: was just saying, you don't know the plight of the

313
00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,760
Speaker 1: small man, like if you legitimately think that, And he

314
00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,960
Speaker 1: fought hard on this, and I was just like, this

315
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:19,720
Speaker 1: is this is nowhere near He's wrong because large extra

316
00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,200
Speaker 1: large and then you're searing like in most men as

317
00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,159
Speaker 1: small as me, they almost don't want to admit it,

318
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,520
Speaker 1: so they're wearing mediums but they're too big, and it's

319
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,399
Speaker 1: like it's not a good fit. Inside your world, it's different.

320
00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,240
Speaker 1: This is why you gotta outfit yourself. When I make

321
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,520
Speaker 1: that trip to Tokyo. Judy Batista, by the way, a

322
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,480
Speaker 1: great person. In those rooms, we had a great room.

323
00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,160
Speaker 1: Willie becomes a different Willie mcguinnis, and um, you get

324
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,399
Speaker 1: you get a real Willie, a little different than a

325
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,399
Speaker 1: t a Willie. Willie was amazing. Colleen Wolf will just

326
00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,880
Speaker 1: throw in one singer would just be like, hey, would

327
00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 1: you consider having women on the NFL draft coverage next

328
00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,720
Speaker 1: year and just see the executive faces belt off at

329
00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,199
Speaker 1: that question. The blood drained from the faces. That's important.

330
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,560
Speaker 1: You want to add value in these rooms. It's cool though,

331
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,320
Speaker 1: I think. Uh, I hope this is interesting to the listeners. Maybe.

332
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,080
Speaker 1: Then again, it's it's the middle of June. So how

333
00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,119
Speaker 1: many how many comments did you make Dan during the

334
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:24,440
Speaker 1: breakout sessions? Uh? I said two words. Yeah. I decided

335
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,720
Speaker 1: that anything I would say would probably only decrease my

336
00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,440
Speaker 1: merit in the room because it was again it was

337
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,439
Speaker 1: high up executives that weren't even sure why I was

338
00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,440
Speaker 1: there potentially, right, I like to throw in one or two.

339
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 1: And I moved on from my annual how are you

340
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,840
Speaker 1: going to monetize podcasts question? Because we're on the right

341
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 1: track that that's gotten more respect um and I do.

342
00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,359
Speaker 1: Before we move on, I just want to give a

343
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,399
Speaker 1: shout at this someone we've mentioned on this show before,

344
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,359
Speaker 1: Ali bon Puri had a moment. Uh. He he is

345
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,640
Speaker 1: our writing editor and a lot of the people who

346
00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,760
Speaker 1: were in front of the lectern and had a microphone.

347
00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,480
Speaker 1: Uh didn't really deliver and it was a tough first morning,

348
00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 1: I would say, just saying it was kind of I

349
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily fair because it's task. It's boring, though,

350
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,200
Speaker 1: and Ali came up there and was universally regarded as

351
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,880
Speaker 1: the best speaker of the entire process and got a

352
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 1: rousing ovation. I mean it was it was something, and

353
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 1: it did something very smart because he came up right

354
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 1: away he lowered the microphy A very tall individual for him,

355
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,159
Speaker 1: he lowered the microphone like half a foot. Acknowledge that

356
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,680
Speaker 1: that was emasculating. Um then basically said I don't do speeches,

357
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 1: so I've written it. And then he just perfectly read

358
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: this amazingly thing with the sea and then you kind

359
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,880
Speaker 1: of coming from the heart. That was good watching him.

360
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 1: Going back to fourteen, I just wanted to maybe we

361
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,440
Speaker 1: are now reaching the point where the listeners don't care.

362
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 1: But I didn't wanted him greg, because you do find

363
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 1: yourself often in conflict. If there are things to take

364
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 1: away from a bump party in that spot, like how

365
00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 1: to get your point across without not wanting people to

366
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 1: smack you on the side of the head, Well that's

367
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: a different setting making like a speech, and I've definitely

368
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 1: had some bad ones of those two. So what if

369
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 1: you could leave to a rousing. I've had good ones,

370
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,680
Speaker 1: bad ones. We're gonna stick a pin in this because

371
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 1: I know we got to settle something for Greg a

372
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 1: little later in the show. But do we want to

373
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 1: do you want to get caught up on any news

374
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,719
Speaker 1: or do we want to get right to it? I

375
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 1: let me spin through real quick the news and then

376
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: let's get to it. We're gonna do some o t

377
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: a round up on Monday, I think, so do you

378
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: want to do it as quickly as real quick? I

379
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 1: just want to Uh, this is a At one point,

380
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 1: there was a conversation about the NFL brother fraternity and

381
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 1: there was a term old head that's thrown around for

382
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 1: the guys that are, you know, out of the league

383
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: for an extended period of time, and the younger guys

384
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: look at the older former players as old heads when

385
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: they come with critical takes about how the game's not

386
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: the way it used to be. But that's going on forever.

387
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 1: So as Gerald mccoyo came to guests speak about NFL

388
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: players inter acting with the media, and he clarified that

389
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: an old head as if you played before the year

390
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 1: two thousand. Because Ladani and Thomlinson asked like who's an

391
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 1: old head and like LT is fine, but Kurt Warner,

392
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: Michael Irvin LT came in right around two thousand h

393
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,400
Speaker 1: I mean he's on the fringe, but you wouldn't define

394
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: him that way. LT, by the way, is a guy

395
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 1: and maybe because of his jet ties and my favorite

396
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,959
Speaker 1: jet game ever against the Pats in two thousand eleven,

397
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,639
Speaker 1: he was a prominent player. He's a guy that I

398
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: kind of still get like a guy that we work

399
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: with that I get a little like starstruck, LT, urban Um,

400
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner, Steve Smith in a way. I want to

401
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: get to know Steve Smith. That's why I love to

402
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: have him on the show because he's just such an interesting, thoughtful,

403
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: outspoken I think the interest in a friendship would be

404
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: equal from his standpoint. One of West's favorite players. I'm

405
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: not talking about friendship. Well, no, I'm saying I was

406
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: speaking with him, I sensed actually like him and Kyleen

407
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: are are a good buddy. So that's a good sign

408
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: of of a of a man and uh maybe West's

409
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: all time favorite player. Over the course of our podcast

410
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: with Steve, time for news and notes presented by up Work,

411
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: where you can build the team that will build your business.

412
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: Learn more from up work dot com. All right, here

413
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: we go a couple of things, couple of things, and

414
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, jump in if you care, and if you don't,

415
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep moving. Make a Fitzpatrick signs a four

416
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: year extension. He becomes the highest paid safety in NFL history,

417
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: thirty six million guaranteed at signing. Terry McLaurin, this is

418
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: something kind of interesting. He's sitting out mandatory minicamp with

419
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: the commanders. Ron Rivera says the deal will get done.

420
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: Speaking of Ron Rivera, did you know that he had

421
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: a copy of the First Amendment Freedom of Speech? Uh,

422
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: sitting on his desk, and he said that he's read

423
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: it over and over again when deciding what to do

424
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: about Jack del Rio, who made the comments on Twitter.

425
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 1: I believe it was or in the press friends, Uh,

426
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: talking about all sorts of nonsense. And he said, before

427
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 1: he decided to find Jack del Rio, who, by the way,

428
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 1: he has since deleted his social media, he read it

429
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: over and over again, the First Amendment. I just don't

430
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: know what's going on. Watching the commanders do things um

431
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: in their own way. I feel like there's a lot

432
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: going on. They started to take command? In your opinion,

433
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: where are we at at the level command of what

434
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: just they started? Are they getting ready to maybe, as

435
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: we all know, decided to really go ahead and start

436
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: to take command. Where are we at? What's the percentage?

437
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: Would you say, zero to one hundred? Like one d

438
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: full command? Zero is you don't even know what command is? Okay,

439
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: oh this lower than that, but yeah, that's it's low,

440
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: it's ron Rivera said. He also had the second did

441
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: you just start talking without your signature drop? You know?

442
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: That's I feel like it's been established by this point.

443
00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: You're doing great? You right? Um? He said. He also

444
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 1: had the Second Amendment printed out on his desk to

445
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: read over and over again for whatever. First of all,

446
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 1: it's not that complicated. Read the first five words. You're

447
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: you're pretty much good on on the first Amendment? Can

448
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: you read both of the amendments at the end of

449
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: the show? Sure? Just kidding, um, all right, Terry McLaurin

450
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: is a really good player, and they should get a

451
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: deal done with them. But I just don't, you know,

452
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on that organization. And they've

453
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: said since like a week into the off season, it

454
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: was the top priorities. DK Metcalf also skipped their camp

455
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: last week. There's Rodney Hudson was won for Arizona. There's

456
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: a decent amount of players skipping. And remember Carson Wentz

457
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: is there now, and as you know, as you just heard, uh,

458
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: you know you wanted him to be working with the

459
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: star wide receiver of the team. I'd also want to

460
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: sign a contract before you spend a year with Carson Wentz.

461
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: M Let's that's not provoking very good Mark, That's that's

462
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: a great point, Mark, Thank, I was legitimately saying it

463
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: was a great point. Mark thinks we were making fun

464
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 1: of point when I say something that actually provokes your

465
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: thought that it must be verbalized like it's such a

466
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: rare occurrence, so condescending it just stops the entire room.

467
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: Good point. That's a good that That actually was a

468
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: good point, too, much better than the point DJ texted

469
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: to then odd fight. You know I think odd Fight

470
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: was on points. That's a fair That's a fair Jerick

471
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: McKinnon back to the Chiefs on a one year deal.

472
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: So watch out, Clyde Edwards Hilaire, there are no more

473
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: free passes for you, Bud. They got rid of Daryl

474
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: Williams too. Some moments for them. Colts fourth year safety

475
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: Carry Willis announces his retirement to go into the ministry.

476
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: Kind of a cool move, go to God, young man.

477
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely something that takes a lot of

478
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: integrity and belief in what you're doing and and a

479
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: surprise to the cults. He's only been in the league

480
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: three years and he's been a starter the whole time

481
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: and was going to be a starter this year. They

482
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: have Julian Blackman coming off a big injury too, So

483
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: h has some real world recussions for the app slutely

484
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: and that was news and notes presented by up work

485
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: where you can build a team that will build your

486
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: business learn more upwork dot com. That was like, that

487
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: was the closest we've ever had to like a throwaway

488
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: news segment, just like a quick here's another corporate speak

489
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: that um that it would not that new segment would

490
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: not qualify. Did you guys hear that the live games

491
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: that that they're gonna put on the new NFL Plus

492
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: is the hero content, Which I don't know, that's kind

493
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: of our thing. We are the hero content, well not

494
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: unless we that is something we should probably trade not

495
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: in their eyes potentially, right, And now they kept saying

496
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: that like we're just gonna we're gonna focus on the

497
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: hero content, and I'm just sitting there being like, we're

498
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: right here, I'm here. It does remind me that it's

499
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: been a while. I'm a little disappointed since I got

500
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: a tweet like, how dare you refer to yourselves as

501
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: heroes when the real heroes are out there on the

502
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: battle field texting your First and Second Amendment rights? Alright?

503
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: That is that is the stance. It's been a while.

504
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's been a little bit since I

505
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: got that tweet. Uh. And okay, before we talk with

506
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Kyle Brandt, let's share an update the Dalton Scale, which

507
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: anybody who checked out that episode, thank you very much.

508
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: We all. Patrick Clayban included the Ed McMahon to Michael

509
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: Irvin's Johnny Carson. I wish I had seen all that

510
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: they're doing. The laugh it was the handshakes and it

511
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: was like awesome. I was like, wow, look at you

512
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: do not want to be in the front row for this.

513
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Colleen had the worst possible seat, front row middle. I

514
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: was front row, and you miss a lot so the

515
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: four of us um with Patrick talk Dalton scale who

516
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: was the new Prime Meridian. We each nominated a player

517
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: and then we put it to a vote and justin

518
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: we got over five thousand votes on read it and Instagram.

519
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: You want to share the results? Yes, So Kirk Cousins

520
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: was the run way winner with that was Mars. That

521
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: was Mark's nomination. Just don't believe it. I understand why.

522
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I think the public believes that. I know, but the

523
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: public is often wrong. And this did not incorporate the hundreds,

524
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: literally hundreds of comments received on Twitter and Instagram with

525
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 1: people just like spouting off their choice. They probably voted

526
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: though too. They may have, but they a lot of

527
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: people also took issue with like one or two names

528
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: on the list where it's like just chill out, you know,

529
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: like if you don't worry about the list. It wasn't

530
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: really about the list, Like Patrick Mahomes is behind Josh

531
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: Allen or whatever, don't worry about that. That's not what

532
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: this exercise was about. God forbid. They lack context. As

533
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: Claiban explained on the last episode, lists yeah uh, and

534
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: his nomination, Ryan Tannehill came in second point five percent.

535
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: That Winston, who Gregg nominated eleven point three percent. Like,

536
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to take third as a victory because you

537
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: guys all dismissed it so much that at least I

538
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: was ahead of one of you guys and Matt Ryan

539
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: only nine point five percent. And I think people took

540
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: just thought he was too good, took issue with the

541
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: fact that he doesn't reflect Andy Dalton as much because

542
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: he had such a high peak and now he's coming down,

543
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: whereas Dalton was kind of steady average. I think it's

544
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: a fundamental disconnect with the exercises about because I'm not

545
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: saying that Matt Ryan was anything like Andy Dalton. He was.

546
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: He was a all Pro, he was an m v P,

547
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: should have won a Super Bowl. But I'm only talking

548
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: about the here and now, so I'm not factoring anything

549
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: else than who Matt Ryan is now. I could see, though,

550
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: I could see why people struggle because I think part

551
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: of it is Andy Dalton. But I also think people

552
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: think Matt Ryan's too good still, and he Andy Dalton

553
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: was the Dalton scale his entire career. Matt Ryan was

554
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: an m VP candidate four years ago. I mean was

555
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: he was a fantastic player, that went to a Super Bowl,

556
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: so it kind of defied I think if you're just

557
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: looking at the the tabulations numbers, especially with this particular player.

558
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: But I get hung up on the last two seasons.

559
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: Cark Cousins is having touchdowns, okay, interceptions, and it's like

560
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: that's the that's the primary, but he's also the picture

561
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: of frustration in a way that we can't quite you know.

562
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: I can be swayed on some things in the way

563
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: that the listeners voted and the way Mark put the case,

564
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: and the more that I thought about it, he does

565
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: embody the Dalton scale in some way. And the more

566
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: I thought about it, there's more good quarterbacks now, I

567
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: think then back then. So maybe that's a little part

568
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: of the Dalton scale to that. Yes, Cousins has those

569
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: great numbers, but where did you end up ranking him?

570
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: Like fourteen fifteen that's where Dalton used to be back

571
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: in the day, and like, uh, it's hard, you're now, absolutely,

572
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: but the bar is sort of higher of what the

573
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: middle is of where you need a new guy, And um,

574
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I think the listeners kind of convinced me that Cousins

575
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: makes total sense right now and he's gonna ease into

576
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: that for the next few years possible. I stand by it.

577
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,239
Speaker 1: I think give me a year or two. Cousins has

578
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: to come down a little bit, But I stand by

579
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: Jamis Cousins the most James. I don't know about the

580
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: Jamis one. You're just high on Jamis for some reason.

581
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: You always have been. I don't think that's that high.

582
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: The point is it's right in the middle. You need

583
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: a new one if you've got. If we had to

584
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: meet in the middle, I think Tannehill was a place

585
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: we were willing to go. He came in second. Ye.

586
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: I think we were willing to go there as a group.

587
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: All the men in the NFL to lift up by choice,

588
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: you can. You often go back to Jameis Winston. Why

589
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm not lifting him up, but he has uh some

590
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: nice quarterbacking skills. That's when he's on the field. Right

591
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: in the minute. All right, let's take a break, and

592
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: when we get back, one of my favorite people in

593
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: NFL media, Mr Kyle Brand. All right, time to welcome

594
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: a great man, a champion in the realm of sports media.

595
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the man has a trophy and it is

596
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: a Sports Emmy for his work with the rest of

597
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: the team at Good Morning Football All Now, he rejoins

598
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: us on the Around the NFL podcast, What's Up, Kyle Brand, Hello,

599
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: my friends, thrilled to be here, especially specifically here geographically

600
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: where we're sitting right now. This is like when like

601
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch goes to Hawaii, you know, like they

602
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: do those special episodes, Remember the Sievers went to Hawaii

603
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: wants and growing pains, And this is the heroes go

604
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: to go to California on the beach. You look great,

605
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I feel great. You feel like a natural here. I

606
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: don't think we've ever done a podcast with you in person,

607
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: unless I'm just like misremembering. But you have a big

608
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: shoes to fill because you know your co host Pete

609
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: Treger was here last year. I believe it was the

610
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: last time we did it in person, and he awkwardly

611
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: held a microphone wrapped up with a towel. We still

612
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: the hot, burning sun, so we're not in a nice

613
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: shaded area, and then we have the Pacific Ocean over

614
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: our beautiful here at the low Santa Monica Um resort

615
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 1: or hotel. Is it a resort, doesn't matter, Kyle uh.

616
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: When Treger was here, Mark awkwardly asked Treeger who we

617
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: respected the most, and then Treeger gave an honest answer

618
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: and said, Greg highly did you have any rational awer?

619
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: Everyone was a little surprised by it. There was no

620
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: irony to it, um and he did have a rational

621
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I think he basically just explained that Greg and Gregg's

622
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: football passed allowed that respect to be greater than what

623
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: he felt for. At the same time, like in that

624
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: there was a very easy non answer to give there

625
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: he chose to give the answer. Now we settled that

626
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: beef with him. Now there's another one to settle. Uh.

627
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: Do you remember when you were down under for a

628
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: project you were working on. A massive NFL fan, also

629
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: fan of your show g M F B A t

630
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: N approached you. He was an actor and you told

631
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: the whole story and television and then uh, when you

632
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: referenced our show what happened, I'm nervous and this is

633
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: how you described it, Dan Gregg, all the guys and

634
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: you need to know and I know you and Mark

635
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: know each other professionally, it's more than personally at this

636
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: stage that that's something that's stuck with Mark for easily

637
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: for me for a loop because it's not It's not

638
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: as if it's such a large ensemble that it would

639
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: be hard to remember the other guy. Um, but it

640
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: it does. It sticks with me still. But I am

641
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: a person who believes in ironing out these things. And

642
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: I really feel nothing but good feelings for you. You You

643
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: didn't you don't think you felt? Well? How did I

644
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: say it? And all the guys just like, oh yeah,

645
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: e t n Dan, Greg, guys, let's hear it again,

646
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: just in case, Dan Greg, all the guys, Damn, that's

647
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: a tough beat. It really. I feel like the second

648
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: you were teeing it up, Dan, I knew where this

649
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: was going. It was only a matter of which name

650
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: did I leave out. You know, I'm gonna immediately relate

651
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: a couple of Super Bowls ago, when it was Bucks

652
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: versus Chiefs, Burlison was doing the thing where he was

653
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: interviewing like Brady and Mahomes and like before the game,

654
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: and Brady at the end made this nice comments like

655
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: he nay, I love the show that you guys do.

656
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: I love you know you and Peter and Kay like

657
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: just a great show. And so I relate and I

658
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: empathize and like, I just I took that one right

659
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: between the eyes from Brady. You just had to take

660
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: it from me in Australia, probably like hung over something,

661
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: but I still apologize. I accept your apology, and it's

662
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: what I like about this is that I've now had

663
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: a minor rift with two members of Good Morning Football

664
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: and had then we solved it and got out of

665
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: it too. Well. You know what, there's only two left,

666
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: so you got the full set, guys, that's it. You

667
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: have the complete box set. And I'd like to be

668
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: a mediator on efforting right now here at the low

669
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Santa Monica to get Greg Rosenthal and Ian Rappaport together

670
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: to work out some differences they're dealing with right now.

671
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: But I feel like this one is squashed and we're good,

672
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: so we can What differences do you guys have that

673
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: you're the same person, Like, there's an amazing that that

674
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: was more problematic than anything that you said about Mark Um,

675
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: But we awkwardly started to bridge that gap at a

676
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: premixer that award that Dan and Mark were too big

677
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: to even show up to lost. Oh yeah, that's a

678
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: fun premixer too. You guys missed out, you know, we

679
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: here were two days and before we get I have

680
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: a couple of questions, Kyle. We don't have a lot

681
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: of time, and we're in the middle of this talent

682
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: summit and we were told we're making you work at

683
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: break everyone else wants to do. If he wasn't, if

684
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: he was at the lunch right now, and Kyle, tell me,

685
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, you would be subjected to a lot

686
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: of awkward small talk with a bunch of people like

687
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: me personally. This this makes it even better because now

688
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: I don't have to do things like that that make

689
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: me uncause maybe Kyle, you're more an extrovert, perhaps, but

690
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: they're all over. If I was not here, I'd be

691
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: sitting here and having Scott Hanson asked me how my

692
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: kids are, which I respect Scott, it's really nice, but

693
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: like here we're making some contents. So, oh, Scott, who

694
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: tried to cut us in line today? When you know

695
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: that very nice, Let's let's let a lot of beefs.

696
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: It was not the buffet line was they're giving as

697
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: suits this year, I think in this contract and now

698
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: they're like, this is not going to trump up a

699
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: ton of sympathy with the listeners, but we're getting very

700
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: expensive free suits from the suits were scheduled for eight fifty,

701
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: right and Greg right on time. Mark not your typical

702
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: was roll in like with your aviators on a Hansen,

703
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: rolls in close to eighty and he tries to get

704
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: in front of us and Greg, to your credit, you

705
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: gave it to him a little bit, did you. I

706
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: was just saying, you are not cutting in front of us,

707
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: and maybe it gave it to him a little too much.

708
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: Like I was like, if you were as if you

709
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: were a little less condescending when you came in here

710
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: trying to then maybe we would have allowed. I must

711
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: tell you one nice thing he did because we're you know,

712
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a sports code down as Dan. We had

713
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: to take this one off to get fitted by a

714
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: very elegant clothing person and Scott Scott nicely hung up

715
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: this jacket I'm wearing on a hanger and smoothed it out.

716
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: So he's not a total He's a very nice man.

717
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: But he tried to say like he had some appointment

718
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: or something like that. I was like, no way, are you.

719
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: We're all here for the same thing like we would

720
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: have been there ten Scott said he's taking a flight

721
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: um out of the country. And he has all of

722
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: our episodes queued up for the flight, which if it's true, Wow,

723
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get to this and then we're gonna

724
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: have beef with Scott. But let's let's get back. So

725
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: Kyle again, congratulations on the Emmy. I introduced you as

726
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: a champion. Do you when you won? When you're at

727
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: the event and they announced good Morning Football, and this

728
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: was kind of like you weren't the Susan Lucci now

729
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: the category if anyone gets that reference, but for many

730
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: years that was the territory of P T I I believe.

731
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Uh So when you guys finally get over the hump

732
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: and win it, do you feel like you won the

733
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? And away? It was through Yeah, listen that

734
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: you go to the Sports Emmys and people call him

735
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: the Sports Emmy is sort of to separate them from

736
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: the real Emmy's, and people say it's political and it's

737
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: it's overdone, and they that that that, and I don't care.

738
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: It was awesome. We we got a big gass trophy.

739
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: And if you know the actual Emmy trophy, it is

740
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: ridiculously over the top. It is like an angel holding

741
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: up the earth. It's so opulent. It's there's no subtlety

742
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: to Emmy Trophy. So I got that and you get nominated,

743
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: Like all right, so it's it's p t I just

744
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: like Seminal program. We all grew up watching Sports Center,

745
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick, Rich Eyes and and it was Bamani Jones

746
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: up there, who Beamanti has just characteristically kind of underspoken,

747
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: it's what he does. And so he just pulls out

748
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: and said, good morning football, and I lost. I lost

749
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: my mind, Peter, and I actually screamed in the audience.

750
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: H We're sitting right behind Mike Tarico, who would go

751
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: on to win for like Best Host or something really prestigious.

752
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: It was unbelievably cool, and like I just I remember

753
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: having like, um, if we lose again, which we this

754
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: would be our third time, not like have a cool

755
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: losing face. Like sometimes these guys go crazy. I remember

756
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: when Burt Reynolds lost for Boogie Nights. He lost to

757
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: Robin Williams and he was clearly piste off. The most

758
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: famous one is Bill Murray for lost in translation, like

759
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: had this terribly like a sour face because he lost,

760
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, just have a cool face, you know,

761
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: like just be like yeah, you know, sometimes they are

762
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: too happy, like it it's a little too much, like

763
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: they go crazy for the person now and then it's

764
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: too much. We we've been in similar situations though, Kyle,

765
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: we know that feeling. Um When the two thousand thirteen

766
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: Stitcher Awards Best New Podcast was stolen by our producer

767
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: after she had it delivered directly to her house after

768
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: she had already left the company, that was like a

769
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: similar type of vibe that we felt. That was not

770
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: a unique because we got the experience of winning and

771
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: losing at the same time. I mean, we we grieved

772
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: together as a group through that, and but it's still stings.

773
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: I can tell its stings, and you know what does

774
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: haven't won anything since it's fine you will maybe for

775
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: this episode we got the sweet vindication. My biggest takeaway

776
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: from the Emmy is that finally, once we cut the

777
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: dead wood of Nate Burlison, we were able to win.

778
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: So like two nominations with Nate no wins, Nate leaves

779
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: immediate win and so I don't think that's a I

780
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: don't think that's a coincidence. And we're a quarter of

781
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: the way to egots Me and Stragor the Tony is

782
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: going to be next. There you go. Now I want

783
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: to play another thing here. Of course, Kyle stole the

784
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 1: draft with his ramp up and pop up speech about

785
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Here's a little portion of it. In

786
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: my hands. I hold the most important pick. Look this

787
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: entire round, because this pick is the only pick who

788
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: will win the Super Bowl in his rookie year. And Kyle, Now,

789
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: it did cross my mind. And again we sung your

790
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: praises on the show when this happened, because it was

791
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: really fun and well done, and the ramp up to

792
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: get to the location just masterfully played, sir. But I

793
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: did think to myself when you took the bite of

794
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: the chicken wing at the very end, if that got

795
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: caught in the gullet and you went down and you

796
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: didn't come back up. We've talked about this, Greg with

797
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: other things, that what would be the appropriate amount of

798
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: time that would pass before people would kind of be

799
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: able to make fun of how Kyle we lost? Kyle?

800
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Oh that is it for him? Yeah? If I died

801
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: on stage right, that choking on a chicken wing is

802
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: part of the Bill's bit. You know what I say,

803
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: William Wallace, every man dies, not every man really lives.

804
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: You know, if that's how I'm gonna go, I'll go

805
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: down in my zubas on stage. It's fine, right, So

806
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: that's like the Saturday. That's Saturday, right, or that was Friday,

807
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: that was Friday nights, second Monday nights. Total axis. That's

808
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: given enough time, like c block, just have a little fun.

809
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: That feels appropriate, right, Willie and and car just chopping

810
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. We've also we've alten asked

811
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: if we were, you know, go down in a plane crash. Yeah,

812
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: what what block of total access would we even be?

813
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: Would they mention that? Would it just would it be

814
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: the crawl underneath? Maybe? Would it? Would it be mentioned

815
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: in the block? I think? But if you if you

816
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: died announcing uh Baylor linebacker to Rolle Bernard, like that's

817
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: how you went down? I believe national story it is.

818
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: I want segments done on it. I want Good Morning

819
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Football to do in or out Kyle's death. Did we

820
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: like it? How did you play? I want to do

821
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: a breakdown. I want to do it. Peter can do

822
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: angry deaths in my homage with a with a with

823
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: a scepter, I please make fun of me if that

824
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: ever happens like J. J. Reddick, is, you know, making

825
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: fun of stephen A for being insensitive about it the

826
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: whole thing. It would be amazing now, and let's talk

827
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: about it. Because you do what you guys do for

828
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: g MFB. We go through the off season, but we

829
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: don't do five days a week. We don't do three

830
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: hour shows like you guys do. And I'm curious because

831
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: you're a Chicago guy, um, and yet you've you've kind

832
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: of gravitated towards the Bills. How did that happen? First

833
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: of all? Is that just from kind of falling for

834
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: the team as as part of the NFL network machine?

835
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: Or Um? Where did how did you become a Bills guy?

836
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: How did that just organically? Like we you talk so

837
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: much about the teams for so many shows and for

838
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: so many hours. It was a couple of years ago,

839
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: and I just like, I started getting worked up and

840
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: I was hyping the Bills and I liked them, and

841
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: I was teeing into all those people not believing in them.

842
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: And so you do some sort of rant and then

843
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: people online like it and they're like, do another one,

844
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: and then they win and then then the tea was

845
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: like will you do one officially for us, and I

846
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: said sure, and so everyone's like, everyone will be like, dude,

847
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: like I had no idea you were from Buffalo, and like,

848
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: not only am I not from Buffalo, I have never

849
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: been to Buffalo in my life. I've never visited the

850
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: city at the time. And then he's just kind of snowballs.

851
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: And so now people like, oh, so you're a Bills fan.

852
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm not a Bills fan. I'm not. I don't care

853
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: if they lose. I'm an enthusiast for the team. I'm

854
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: not a Bears fan either. That you guys can just

855
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: like divide that right as people in the media, like

856
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: you like certain teams, sure, but like it's not like

857
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: you're an eight year old with the hot dog in

858
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: the stands and you're gonna cry if they lose, and

859
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: they are they are like that. I don't know. I agree.

860
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a fun and healthy way to work

861
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL too, Like I think West had that

862
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: as well. It's how the team of the Around the

863
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: NFL podcast first came up, as like we really like

864
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: that two thousand and thirteen Panthers team or I don't

865
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: remember which it was, it was one of the cat

866
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: It was one of the Cam Newton teams, and we

867
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: sort of like organically, you wait and see which team

868
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: is kind of you know, floating your boat that season,

869
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: and then you jump on board and you have four

870
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: Also were five of those. Because you like football and

871
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: they're attracted to you, and you're gonna be at work sunny.

872
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: It makes that Sunday more fun and it doesn't have

873
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: to be as heavy either. You don't have to be

874
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: like crushed when they Let's be real though it would

875
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: never the team would never be picked unless West was

876
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: behind it. It was essentially the team of West right

877
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: and also and also Gregg using the terminology or using

878
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: the phrase fun and healthy way like, don't be condescending

879
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: just because Mark and I ride or die with our

880
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: teams are until something happened, I just you you can

881
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: handle it better emotionally. But I don't cry. There's moments, yeah,

882
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't cry. It was close after the week seventeen

883
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Jets loss and we had to do a show afterwards.

884
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: Dan was not That was the greatest act of professionalism

885
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: that's ever been seen on the programs. Are you on

886
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: any text threads with Bills players? Are they are the

887
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: players themselves aware of your not fandom but enthusiasts. Um,

888
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: I DM just a little bit with Josh Allen a

889
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: little bit. Like we we've met a couple of times.

890
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: We've had a couple of conversations. So like, um I

891
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: met Josh Allen's father in the airport, Joel Allen, who,

892
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: as you know, is a farmer from Fireball, California. Like

893
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: that is a man, big gass handshake, super nice to

894
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: meet you, canned ham Mark McGuire, four arms, like just

895
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: exactly like you would think. So I know them just

896
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. But other than that, Like, no, it's

897
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: not really like one little follow up. Are are the

898
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: Allen's Excuse me? I was impressed with your summertime, bod

899
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: as I am. You're looking very sharp and you've been

900
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: on this mission for a while, but it's an impressive physically.

901
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm surprised it took you so long as we get

902
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: to this. Thank you for saying that. I noticed he

903
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: had he has notes in the In the first Kyle's Body,

904
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: he wrote it down like he wasn't gonna remember during

905
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: the media sum it says Kyle's Body. You can put

906
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: your signature on that Thank you very much. Mark, thank you.

907
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have other better things to talk about

908
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: than my body as a Bills fan. Wait, first of all,

909
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: who's that second round pick that you announced it? It's

910
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: gonna be cool. You're kind of attached to him his career,

911
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: and it's good that you didn't die, because then he

912
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: would have that sort of hanging on him, like if

913
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: his career didn't go, he would have to do it

914
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: for you. So that's good. You guys will be connected.

915
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: Do you think though that this offseason them sort of

916
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: being the team and and I don't push back against

917
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 1: this conventional wisdom that they are kind of the team

918
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: going into the season. They should have won the super

919
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: Bowl last year. I think if you replayed how it went,

920
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: they to me were the best team at the end.

921
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: It just didn't work out that way. Now they're the favorite.

922
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: Like their fans get upset if there's like our list

923
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: where they're not number one, or if their quarterback or

924
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: their defense is even ranked number three, it's getting it's

925
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: a lot and just knowing how the NFL works, it

926
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: just even looking at the Bills last year, the expectations

927
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: were sky high and the offense coming into it didn't

928
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: quite perform at first. Is there any certain And you're

929
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: looking at this team kind of going into this season

930
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: of eight you kind of have to handle the expectations

931
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: as the heavyweights, but you actually haven't won in anything yet.

932
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: It's one of the toughest spots to be It's almost

933
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: being like a Super Bowl runner up. Yeah, Greg, it's terrifying.

934
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? They the first game of the

935
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: season is five miles from here against the Rams. They

936
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: could easily lose that game and then the guy is

937
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: falling already, And it's like, I'm trying to think of

938
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: a team like they just never really want anything and

939
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: that have expectations this high, like if if they if

940
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: they get to the title game this year and like

941
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: lose on the last second field, which an amazing season,

942
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: that is a bitter, soul crushing loss and a terrible

943
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: wasted season in the eyes of the Bills fans. So yeah,

944
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: like they're loaded, and we all agreed that they're loaded

945
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: as hell, But um if I I did a quarterback

946
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: ranking the other day because June and uh I had

947
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: like I had Rogers one and Alan second, Like they're like,

948
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: I guess you're off the bandwagon, you're out. You're like,

949
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: hold on a second. I got him above Mahomes, above

950
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: Brady I just because he's second. They were furious. So

951
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: like the sensitivity is going to be really fun to

952
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: play with because if they start out like three and

953
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: two fine disaster, like the world is burning lecture, the

954
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: pressure would build and they don't want to hear it.

955
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: But there's like a just statistically there's probably like a

956
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: thirty percent chance they don't win the division either that

957
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: they're playing a road game to start the playoffs. Everything

958
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: went so right the last two years because that's how

959
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: the NFL is, Like I think they are the best team,

960
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: Like they would be my pick to win the Super Bowl.

961
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm not really even pushing again, but that's just sort

962
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: of that's just how the NFL goes. They were ranked

963
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: tenth in UM D v O A UM last year,

964
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: which people kind of forget about because how awesome they

965
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: closed and Alan was just unstoppable, uh in the playoffs. Um,

966
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: but that is the one thing that would be on

967
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: my radars Ken Dorsey taken over Brian Dable, what what

968
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: happens there? Because there were If you really want to

969
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: drill in on their season last year, then I know

970
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: you were uh that they really struggled and it's last

971
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: year with table, so now another year the division should

972
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: be better. It's not a slam dunk, So it's it's

973
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: gonna be maybe not to not to you know, get

974
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: down on the Bills at all, but if you're a

975
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: Bills fan, this season maybe won't be as quote unquote

976
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: fun as the last couple because the expectations are so

977
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: high that you're just expected to be back at the game.

978
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: You got eliminated that last year, but you gotta win

979
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: that game and the one after it. How about when

980
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: Josh Allen met Josh Allen. Can't have that happen now,

981
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Yeah, the Jaguar thing, right, Yeah, yeah,

982
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: they didn't have a moment. They The thing that I

983
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: think my bottom line with the Bills in the off

984
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: season is like if they did not add Von Miller,

985
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: if they did not draft any players, I still think

986
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: they're going to be the Super Bowl favorite. I still

987
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: think they were like those things were all I'm rich,

988
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 1: screw it purchases, Like someone who like is just gonna

989
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: get heated floors in their bathroom because they can afford

990
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: to like, you don't need to get von Miller, but

991
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it anyway. Also, we're gonna draft a

992
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: punter because he's the best punter anyone's seen in twenty

993
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: It's full on, like it's one per center. I'm gonna

994
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: get a walk in humid or because I don't know

995
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: what to do with my money, so I'll buy stupid

996
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: stuff that I don't need. They're that loaded. They something

997
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: changed in their season about halftime of Tampa before that,

998
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, the offense really wasn't the Bill's offense

999
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: that we kind of remember it as. And and my

1000
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: big thing with them that I'm worried about is whenever

1001
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: you go into a season, it's like everything is great

1002
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: except for the offensive line. It's like, well that's that's

1003
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: a problem. And to me, like on paper, they're probably average,

1004
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: and there's a scenario where they're significantly below average offensive line,

1005
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 1: and that's just like, it's not gonna torpedo your season.

1006
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: But then you're just one of like seven a FC

1007
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: teams that has a chance that seems more realistic. Finally,

1008
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, Kyle and thank you again for

1009
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: the time. Um you're a pop culture. Dude, you are

1010
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: You just did a hard to Kill Segal retrospective with Simmons,

1011
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: which I can't wait to listen to. Um, football movies,

1012
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: football movies. Okay, we gotta get we gotta get a

1013
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: good one in there. I feel like it's been a while,

1014
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: um the last one. It's I think it's telling that

1015
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: draft day, which was you know, all due respect Mark,

1016
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: it is it is a C C solid sea. I

1017
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: think it was all the it's full of heart from

1018
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: start to finish. Forget that Kyle, Kyle doesn't know this.

1019
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: But and maybe our new listeners don't that. They showed

1020
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: it to us and they asked people from the NFL

1021
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: for it's gonna closs over at Mark. But now were

1022
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: but Kyle needs to know you guys for consultants. We

1023
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: went to a screening for NFL media employees in two

1024
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen or whatever when the movie came out, and

1025
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: then they asked, they asked, hey, if you want to

1026
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: like give us some type of write up, we might

1027
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: use you in the promotion. And they really used Mark

1028
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: and they used it is quote full of heart from

1029
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: start to finish, A long chunky they're advertising. It was

1030
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: a long chunky paragraph. I tried to balance the positive

1031
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: aspects of the film and its shortcomings. But at some

1032
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: point that you know, they just grab what they want

1033
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: and I and that gets the pull quote on like eighteen,

1034
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: that's what's the kind of quote that they like. They

1035
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: do They like the full of heart from start to finish.

1036
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: That's like, it's a great it's a great premise for

1037
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: a movie that they didn't quite land. What about the idea.

1038
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: What if we get behind it as producers or some

1039
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: way and we reboot it and we try again draft

1040
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: or original I p any ideas that you had, we

1041
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: could kind of spit ball. Well the draft day thing.

1042
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: The first question you have to answer is who's the

1043
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: team going to be? Like, who's that featured team? You

1044
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: know what originally was the Bills and then they rewrote

1045
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: it for the Browns because I think tax breaks or

1046
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: something where they could film it. Well. Listen that I'm

1047
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: looking in your direction in terms of the teams that

1048
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: they would need to focus on on and I think

1049
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: you have to have a New York based team and

1050
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: I think it has to be the Jets. And I

1051
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: think it's immediately got some edge. Um, I think you

1052
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: redo it, or even there's a sequel, or you know

1053
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: there's something, but the draft is always amazing thing it

1054
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: or maybe you need more people in this scene where

1055
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: somebody comes out and chokes on a chicken wing and

1056
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: dies at the end of it, and then everyone just

1057
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: makes fun of him. Someone can play him like Jeremy Renner,

1058
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: Frank Frank Ellen Burst. Yeah, or we do. It's like,

1059
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's spin off like a Better Call Sault

1060
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: with Jennifer Garner's character is a cap analytics expert. We

1061
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: just really dig it deeper on her arc. That's fine. Three.

1062
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: I feel like the features have suffered because the documentaries

1063
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: are usually have been so good. I love that movie Undefeated,

1064
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: which is on Netflix, but I remember j Simmons one, No,

1065
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a documentary about like a

1066
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: high school team, and I just always end up loving those.

1067
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: Last Chance You is great, and to me, they like

1068
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: the features never matched that sort of drama. We haven't

1069
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: had it in a minute. It's well, work on it.

1070
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna work on it. Kyle, nothing you have to

1071
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: work on, at least in the gym. According to Mark

1072
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: hey Now Kyle's body it says it right there on

1073
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: on is on the notes. Thank you, thank thank you

1074
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: very much. Kyle Brand, thank you very much, buddy, and uh,

1075
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a cocktail a little later. Uh listen, Um, Dan, Greg, guys,

1076
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: thank you for having, Thank you for having very much.

1077
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. We're back in a bad place,

1078
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: all right, there goes Kyle Brand. That was awesome. Also awesome.

1079
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: Late in the seminar on Wednesday, they brought out two

1080
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: guest speakers as a part of the UM podcast segment

1081
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: pod Podcast Power. We were not asked to come. I

1082
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be about our podcast, and

1083
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't mentioned once, which was fine. Again, I just

1084
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of like de lay Low for this event. But

1085
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: two ladies that have successfully launched a show called nine

1086
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: O two one, Oh my god, Tori Spelling and Jenny

1087
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: garth Um the actress is to be the official name. Uh,

1088
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: they came out. And then of course after when the

1089
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: Q and A opened up to that, Kyle and noted

1090
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: pop culture buff especially in that era Rose's hand and

1091
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: asked a very direct question about a specific plot line

1092
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: from an episode from nineteen well I think also a

1093
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: moment and they had no recollection of what he was

1094
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: talking about it, but they were there spelling and Jenny Garth,

1095
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: who if you're a certain age, are iconic, Jenny Garth,

1096
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 1: especially to to some of us. Um both were quite

1097
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: taken aback by Kyle Brandton noted his cuteness multiple times,

1098
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: like I don't remember that at all, Mark's projecting what.

1099
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: They absolutely talked about the fact that he was. They

1100
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: literally at one point she called him adorable, which I

1101
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: actually took the player that D'Angelo and Ladinian Thomlinson, who

1102
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: we were sitting next to, took it in the way

1103
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: I did, which is like it was a nice pat

1104
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: on the head of like, oh, aren't you an adorable

1105
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: little fan and anything? And I thought that they thought

1106
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: he tried very hard with his with this comment. I

1107
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: don't mean that in a negative way, but he was

1108
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: a subject matter expert. I'm not surprised he was, and

1109
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: I think they were. It was an interesting choice of

1110
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: because I told Emma, my wife, last night, about it,

1111
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: and I mentioned to her how at least half the

1112
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: people in the room had no idea who they were

1113
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: because they were too you know, the people in the

1114
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: room like a graver. If he had been you know

1115
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: too young, they have no clue or and that shocked

1116
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: them because she was like, what how would they not

1117
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: know them? And I was like, if you're like thirty

1118
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: eight or under, you probably especially Garth, I think spelling,

1119
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, with the reality show, it's a little more

1120
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: on the A nineteen eighty baby, I'll give you my

1121
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: um um my babe Mount Rushmore from and I'll tell

1122
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: you Jenny Garth was on that absolutely on that side

1123
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: of that mountain. In the Ae blancoln spot. He was

1124
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: on that Rushmore right a famously you know, anybody, don't

1125
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: ask me to open ended questions. George Washington abe though

1126
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: famously not a looker, a gigantic man, but kind of

1127
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: not a looker. George Washington would have been a better example.

1128
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Lincoln was kind of sneaky hot and also get better

1129
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: look at the more, you know, because of his wisdom,

1130
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: his oratory. You gotta get Ian over here. Um. But

1131
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: Jenny Garth, um, Cathy Ireland, no arguments. Vanessa Williams, m M.

1132
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: They didn't save the best for last. The best for

1133
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: last for me is Tiffany avertheuson Kellys and Tory spelling.

1134
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: I know we're more the best for last plan with

1135
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: thank You Say by the bell She played Violet the

1136
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: nerd and a recurring role screeches girlfriend. I wanted to

1137
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: ask about that, but then Kyle sucked up all the

1138
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: oxygen with his and I said, well, he can't double

1139
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: down because then you're kind of again asking them to

1140
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: go down a memory of the wormhole that they have

1141
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: no interest in going down. But I would have had

1142
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: a saved by the bell Us. You're a true pro.

1143
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: You're a true pro. You understood the room all right,

1144
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: understand ending the room. Greg. That is sometimes something that

1145
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: I feel like you battle with um, certainly today with

1146
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: the conversation with management. I mean I understood it. I

1147
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: knew exactly what I was getting into. I don't give it,

1148
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted it, wanted them to feel me.

1149
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: You are the bad boy of NFL media. But what

1150
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: happens when you come and clash with one of the

1151
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: more visible um members of NFL media, the news breaker

1152
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: Ian Rappaport. Drama between the two men, and here is

1153
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: the conversation that we had, Ian Greg marking myself all

1154
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: right as promised. You know, I sometimes on the target

1155
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: of some good natured ribbing about giving myself too many nicknames. Um,

1156
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: but I'll risk it again and let you know there's

1157
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: another nickname that I want to bring to the forefront,

1158
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: all right, the Peacemaker. Oh and um sitting out. I

1159
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: don't know if that it's not sorry to curse on here,

1160
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: but you're just giving sitting to my right as a

1161
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: longtime friend, known him for over twenty years, and and

1162
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: sitting to my left is um a work colleague that

1163
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: I've known for ten or works so closely with. So

1164
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: to see, I mean we have now you just called

1165
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: him a friend and I'm a work colleague. That's just

1166
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: called reality. To see the friendship dissolve between Greg Rosenthal

1167
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: and Ian Rappaport. Uh, it's been difficult. So now we've

1168
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: brought them together Mark to try to iron things out. Now,

1169
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: the Peacemaker is going to back out of the way,

1170
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: and Mark, if you want to jump in and help

1171
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: mediate in your own way, that's great. Well, I think

1172
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: it's it's primarily the role of these two individuals to

1173
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: to heal whatever's going on. Um, I'm not sure that's

1174
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: a home run that's gonna happen here, because you know

1175
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: Ian is Ian, but um, Greg is one of the

1176
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: more hyper contrarians on the earth. So where is this

1177
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: felt like an insult? Well? Yeah, I mean I I

1178
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: actually just put I'm not claiming to know your personality.

1179
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: But I wonder that this is a manufactured joke, uh

1180
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: to to use a popular phrase on this podcast. But

1181
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I have people within the company,

1182
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: um coming up to me at this meetium saying like, oh,

1183
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: what's what's your uh what's your beef with Ian here?

1184
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: So this this thing that you've started that uh interns

1185
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: didn't start making it public. Um, you know you're also

1186
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: trying to bring together. But I will I will mention

1187
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: a situation last night was funny because I saw Ian

1188
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: and we're not the type too. I think take take

1189
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: things too personally, H and Ian generally. I come over

1190
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: to a group which has some high powered executives in

1191
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: this little group last night one at the NFL one

1192
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: outside the NFL shadowy shadowy League figure there, and I

1193
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: assume we're gonna ignore whatever is going on here Ian

1194
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: and I. But the first thing Ian does is just

1195
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: like give me a big scowl face and like to

1196
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: make everyone. I was just like, oh, me and me

1197
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: and I and are in a fight. We're called I

1198
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: was like, I was like people, I was like, this

1199
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: was not the spot to do it. I don't think

1200
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: you really want to go through it in front of

1201
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: these people. I didn't want to go through it. But

1202
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: you can't ignore something like that. It's like, you know,

1203
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: it's like if you're on to make like a cartoonist

1204
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: mad face either that was my regular face, but resting

1205
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: Ian face. UM No, it's like if you do something

1206
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: dumb on TV, like, the only way to get past

1207
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: it is to acknowledge it, Like I like to acknowledge

1208
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: this cold world that is happening and for people don't

1209
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: know who don't know. Um, Greg and I have been friendly,

1210
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: probably friendly. I've never been over to your house, so

1211
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: we can't say we're friends, but we're friendly for a

1212
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: long time. Uh. He will often text me asking me

1213
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: for information, and I will text him, uh my various

1214
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: observations that go on on this podcast, which I will

1215
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: listen to infrequently, uh, and other things, and it feels

1216
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: like a one sided relationship. Um. And then I saw

1217
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: a tweet by and I'm not gonna talk about the

1218
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: topic of the tweet. Well that we have to what

1219
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: are you talking about but it was okay. It was

1220
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: discussing the coverage of Deshaun Watson. It was lumping all

1221
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: of the UH national reporters in together as if all

1222
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: of us were on the same page in ignoring or

1223
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: UH deciding that the Deshaun Watson coverage would be the same.

1224
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: And I believe what Greg was upset with mostly was

1225
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: we were talking about the football part of it, right

1226
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: that you felt we were talking too much about the

1227
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: football part of it. I think that the way that

1228
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: the it was covered throughout the process was yes, essentially

1229
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: assisting Deshaun Watson's agent and getting that trade and getting

1230
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: that contract like that part of my feeling about it

1231
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: didn't change that the way the media and you're just

1232
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: part of that, you know. And we had a long

1233
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: conversation on the day of the Watson press conference because

1234
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: that day I thought was an important day because it

1235
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: was like the local reporters got in and I think

1236
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: got to ask the types of questions that the national

1237
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: reporters won't because I think ultimately they had relationships that

1238
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: they were trying to protect that got a higher um

1239
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: importance in the reporting on our networking, on the ESPN

1240
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: and on Fox and wherever else, uh than just actually

1241
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 1: reporting what was going on here. So I don't think

1242
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: that's true. But first of all, the reason the local

1243
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 1: reporters reporters got to ask to Shawn Watson all these questions,

1244
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: and they did it again the other day at Mini

1245
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: campus because they were literally there. So I have met

1246
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson a couple of times. I do not

1247
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: know him well. I don't have the kind of audience

1248
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: with him where I could ask him the kind of

1249
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: questions that you wanted to press conference. Uh, what I

1250
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: do know is that we have, and I believe I have,

1251
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: and Pella Sero has and Garret Foe has covered it

1252
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: all of it. So when some of the accusers had

1253
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: a press conference, uh, kind of early on in this,

1254
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: I can't remember when that was, but it was last year,

1255
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, it was yeah, it was kind of

1256
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: when this had really started. We covered that. UM when

1257
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: there was a new lawsuit, we often covered that. UM.

1258
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: I would not say that we covered every single detail

1259
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: because there's been so many details, but we have covered

1260
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: the bad and then we have covered there's not been

1261
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: a lot of good. But then we've covered the football.

1262
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: And this was a time to cover the football because

1263
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: he had just been traded. It was all about the trade,

1264
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: what it means for the football team, his contract, what

1265
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: that meant. And just because we were covering the football

1266
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: part of it today, that day didn't overshadow the fact

1267
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 1: that we've covered all of it over the last several months.

1268
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: And that was my main point to you, See, this

1269
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: is Dan. Dan's disappointed by this because ultimately we're getting

1270
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: into like a nitty gritty of like how how the

1271
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: media Jordan Dan is calmly set this up. And I think,

1272
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 1: I think, I actually think, even though yes, I I

1273
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: like the heat, the heat's fun, I think it's good

1274
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: that Ian's talking about this because this has been a

1275
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: major part of the Watson story. And Greg, you've been

1276
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: very outspoken, so it's good actually hear from Ian, who

1277
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: isn't a very difficult situation. I mean where Ian's roll

1278
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: the company and Ian's job um is to find a

1279
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: balance to that. So right, but I would disagree that

1280
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: it was like okay, right, there was. It was about

1281
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: the football, so that was discovering. My problem was with

1282
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: the entire six months leading up to I think throughout

1283
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: the process, a lack of context of what Watson was

1284
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: accused of doing and and also how that could impact

1285
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: like what is moving forward. Absolutely made it easier for

1286
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: the Browns to give him this contract, made it easier

1287
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: for his agent to make this money, made it easier

1288
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: for his UH lawyer UH to also fighting against it.

1289
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: And one thing I've really come to believe is that

1290
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's the last person I feel bad for in

1291
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: this scenario. But I think the way that his agent

1292
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: UM has used his media relationships to gain favorable coverage,

1293
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: and that's not like prow Watson, it's just it's just silence.

1294
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: But what wasn't brought up in a lot of our

1295
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 1: coverage is all the negative aspects of what's going to

1296
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: happen when DeShawn and if Deshaun Watson gets treated before

1297
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: he's actually suspended, before these cases were set, were seeing that, Now,

1298
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: what do you mean? What I mean is that I

1299
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: think the Browns and I think Watson in general are

1300
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: continually surprised about how difficult this process has been and

1301
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: is going to continue to be. And it never made

1302
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: sense to me for him to get traded and for

1303
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: all the business part of it to happen before the

1304
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: legal and especially before the NFL suspension thing happened because

1305
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: of this. And I think if if the Browns knew

1306
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: how the last couple of months were going to go,

1307
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: and I think if Deshaun Watson knew how the last

1308
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: six months would go, I think they probably would have

1309
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: acted maybe differently. I don't think he wouldn't have necessarily

1310
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: gotten that huge commission for his agent and that huge contract.

1311
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it would have happened as quickly and

1312
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: as easily. And you can say, oh, that's him doing

1313
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: a good job, and it's not because this is gonna

1314
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: follow Deshaun Watson forever. He he is starting to dawn

1315
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: on him and the Browns. I think that, like, this

1316
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: isn't going to go away. And I think one of

1317
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: the reasons why they entered into it is they felt

1318
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: like it was going away because for the most part,

1319
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,799
Speaker 1: it had gone away. And you think of the timing

1320
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: of it. Um. I disagree with a lot of things

1321
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: you just said, but you think of the timing of it,

1322
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: um it the trade happened, was it a couple of

1323
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: days within the week of him being receiving a no

1324
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: bill from one grand jury and then the next grand jury. Right,

1325
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: So that was so the trade. Now, obviously there's been

1326
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: uh two and then maybe two more lawsuits in addition

1327
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: to that. Obviously there's been all these depositions, a lot

1328
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: of which has become public. There's been a lot of

1329
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: reportings since then. But the trade and the discussions that

1330
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: we were having on air and in other places all

1331
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: happened in the context of him receiving a no bill,

1332
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: which obviously does not mean he's innocent, but it does

1333
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: mean he's not going to be indicted by a grand jury.

1334
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: So I think that uh, those two facts, the two

1335
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: grand juries, did color the kind of coverage that we

1336
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: gave um, which is he's not going to be charged legally.

1337
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: So that sort of gave a window to all of us,

1338
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: I think, to talk about the football part of it,

1339
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: which really paved the way for the trade, right. I mean,

1340
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: I just I we don't need to go in circles,

1341
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: and this is similar in some ways, but we we

1342
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,440
Speaker 1: got into it a little more like in a conversation,

1343
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: like I meant, and it wasn't personal. It was just

1344
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: I really disagreed with the way we like I I

1345
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: it's not just you that I talked to about this.

1346
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: I talked to some of the news editorial executives about

1347
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: this too, because it was upsetting. Ultimately, were we all

1348
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: work for NFL Media, NFL network. You want to be

1349
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: like proud of the coverage that you can do, and

1350
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: you should try to like impact the coverage in any

1351
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: way you can. And I and having gone through the

1352
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: Greg Hardy and Ray Rice situations, which is very, very different,

1353
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: but that was at a at a time when I

1354
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: was having to deal with how we were handling that

1355
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: stuff editorial, I was kind of amazed that a we

1356
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: had forgotten a lot of the lessons in theory we

1357
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: had learned from back then and be where I think

1358
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: we were worse now, like because I'm not an expert

1359
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: in almost anything, but one thing I feel like I

1360
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: have good experience from after the last fifteen years is

1361
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: how the sports media sausage was getting made. And I

1362
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: was seeing how people who are lining their pockets off

1363
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson, namely his agent, but his lawyer too,

1364
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: and the networks and and other things who who wanted

1365
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: this to go away for the purpose of making money.

1366
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: We're helping to make this issue go away, and it's

1367
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: not helping him Uh, and it's not helping the Browns.

1368
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: In the end, I think like this is going to

1369
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: work out worse than any of them imagined it would,

1370
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: and it has. I I would say the assumption that

1371
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 1: they have all bought the silence of the media doesn't

1372
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: make any sense to me. First of all, we're talking

1373
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: about it here and in many many other places too.

1374
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: I have not had anyone able to talk about on

1375
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: our podcast because no one pays attention to our podcast.

1376
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: But we couldn't exactly have these conversations on It's not

1377
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: true though we talk about this constantly on NFL network.

1378
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 1: We've talked about the allegations, we talked about the fallout,

1379
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: we talked about the new lawsuits. Uh. Pellicero did Total

1380
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: Access yesterday and his topic was Deshaun Watson and the

1381
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: new lawsuits. And so I feel like we do talk

1382
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: about it every time it comes up. Every time it's news,

1383
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 1: we talked about it, just like every time the football

1384
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: part comes up, we talked about it. What I would

1385
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: also say, one thing we have not done is and

1386
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: this is I'm not saying we should deserve like a

1387
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: medal for this. I'm just saying we haven't really been like, oh, well,

1388
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,799
Speaker 1: let's just talk about how great addition to Shaun Watson

1389
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: is going to be to the Browns offense. I mean,

1390
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: we did plenty of that and the end of the

1391
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: days after he was traded, and that's fine, Like it's

1392
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: like like you can you can have both, but we

1393
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 1: did plenty of that. I just don't want you. I

1394
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: just don't want you overlooking the coverage that we've done

1395
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 1: of all of the negative just because we spend some

1396
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 1: time on football, like we are football reporters. And I

1397
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 1: also wasn't doing this out of like the goodness of

1398
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: my heart, but it also like I think can help

1399
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: like our industry or you or schefter has taken I

1400
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: think hits because of this, Like it's not helping you,

1401
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: like and we are friends and and I want your

1402
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: coverage to be great and stuff like there are going

1403
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: to be a lot of people that look at the

1404
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: way we do things in a certain way, and it's

1405
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: good for you to know that, you know what I mean,

1406
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: Like you'd rather know that than not know that I

1407
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: would assume. I mean, I'm I'm pretty well aware of

1408
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: all of the things I report on and how they

1409
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: are viewed. I just don't view it as sort of

1410
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: negatively as you do. I just I spend a lot

1411
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: of my time and a lot of my reporting work

1412
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to make that balance that

1413
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: you were we're talking about, right, because you know, obviously

1414
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff is extremely important every and

1415
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: it's not just with the Shawn. It's what's gonna happen

1416
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,679
Speaker 1: to Baker Mayfield. Okay, Well, is he gonna get traded?

1417
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, but if he does, then he's not

1418
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: going to be the starting quarterback who steps in if

1419
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: and when Deshaun Watson is is trading. And that sort

1420
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: of led to another many many other news cycles. Um,

1421
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. I am as I told you

1422
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm fine with my coverage. I know

1423
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: it has not been uh glory for all of us

1424
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: national media people across the board. I'm fine with the

1425
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: way I've handled it. Um, but I don't I don't

1426
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,719
Speaker 1: mind you. I mean, you're sort of snarky, and that's annoying,

1427
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: but I don't mind you pointing it out because one

1428
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: of the things that in these cases, I wasn't being snarky.

1429
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: I was just kind of furious, and it hasn't hadn't

1430
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 1: gone away, Like I've been surprised that it's stuck with me.

1431
01:13:54,479 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 1: I know, But I would say, um, I one of

1432
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: the things with me doing this job and being very

1433
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: public and not just news but really all the things

1434
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 1: that I do are pretty public, is I don't really

1435
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: care and I don't really mind that all of the

1436
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: things I do get dissected, Like I don't mind that

1437
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: you're sort of picking apart the coverage. I take issue

1438
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: with some of the conclusions that you made because I

1439
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: think you're wrong on some of them, but it doesn't

1440
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,639
Speaker 1: offend me. And you know, I would say that jerky

1441
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: tone probably did. But the fact that you critique it,

1442
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 1: it's all out there. It is all I mean, the

1443
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: same thing for schefter. It's like it is all for

1444
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: everyone to judge. The fact that I disagree on how

1445
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: you judge it is sort of a different way. And

1446
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: I told you like it wasn't about you either, which

1447
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,839
Speaker 1: is like, that's why it wasn't like any rappidport criticism.

1448
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: I told you, I could have made a top ten

1449
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: rankings of the people that have offended me the most,

1450
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: and you would have made the list. But you weren't

1451
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 1: in the top you have. That's men, that's women like that,

1452
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: it's it wasn't just one type of We've heard your

1453
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: take on this for weeks and weeks and I and

1454
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: I strongly Lincoln agree with a lot of what you said,

1455
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: but we have not heard from Ian, and I think

1456
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: that's very glad that happened. And now if we can

1457
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: find a way to move past this. UM, I would

1458
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: love to see the men shake hands or perhaps even hugged.

1459
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: Is that a possibility. I would We would have never

1460
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: have hugged even beforehand. The best this is a peacemaker.

1461
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm happy to shake hands yesterday when

1462
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 1: we saw we get a photo of the handship. Now

1463
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 1: you're making it into what do you mean to making

1464
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: it into a bit? You at the very beginning told

1465
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: me there wasn't even any heat, and of course the peacemaker.

1466
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: That was a wrong way to put it. You're absolutely right,

1467
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: not that there wasn't heat. Like I was disappointed in something.

1468
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure Ian has been, um disappointed in me in

1469
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: many ways. Some of those tweets, Oh my god, what

1470
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: if I were to craft like back in fifth fourth

1471
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 1: fifth grade in the summer when you'd make little friendship bracelets,

1472
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: you'd weave them and one could have Greg's name on

1473
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: it and one could have Ian's name. If you'd wear

1474
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 1: the other person's name on your wrist, would you do that?

1475
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: That's a fair all right? So but we are are

1476
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 1: we going to be back on texting terms again after this?

1477
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: See what he needs? Well? What can you offer Ian

1478
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: about that? Right? What do you offer in this? Let's

1479
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 1: comedic advice? I comedy in those realms, um, you know.

1480
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 1: I give him like these lists of possible cuts and

1481
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: trade I give him. I have given him idea give

1482
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: him ideas for breaking things that I've actually been right

1483
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: about over the years that have been this is not

1484
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: a joke. There have been a couple of times when

1485
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: he has been like, I was thinking about this. Does

1486
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: this make sense? Has anyone looked into And there's been

1487
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: a couple of stories where I've been like, I should, Yeah,

1488
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: I should actually ask about that, and that is true.

1489
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: And then there was another I cannot remember which it

1490
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: was definitely a fake trade that you floated that ended

1491
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 1: up happening, and I cannot remember what it was a

1492
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: healthy friendship? Is that enough? Is he giving you enough

1493
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: a couple of scoops, So I think we I think

1494
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: we're getting close here, we're bridging the divide, and I

1495
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,639
Speaker 1: think we have to get back inside for the second

1496
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: part of the seminar, spinning his fingers. I don't know

1497
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 1: if there's a I don't know if we're going back,

1498
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,799
Speaker 1: but I think I think maybe there's a post seminar cocktail.

1499
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: Maybe we we sealing them from the drink. I'm trying

1500
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: hugs drinks all out. I think you mean we can

1501
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: do a handshake after you know we're done. You know

1502
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: we don't have to do it for it must be

1503
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: documented for posterity. This peacemaker nickname, you're giving yourself, your

1504
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 1: the effort behind it. UM today has been umenous. Was

1505
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 1: trying to be the best part is when we got

1506
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: our we got our new contract, and UM Greg had

1507
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 1: a really nice tweet and then me and he and

1508
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: we're texting, and it was like, why don't you put

1509
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: out a tweet so I could quote retweet you. No,

1510
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: that's not what I said. That's not what I said.

1511
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 1: Now what I said. I said, Hey, did you guys

1512
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 1: get a new contract? He said, yeah, I just saw

1513
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: Greg's tweet. Definitely not retweeting him now. And then he

1514
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: did a post and Bang retweeted almost immediately, So there

1515
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: you go. It's my job, because I've been on both

1516
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: sides of this, is to bring everyone together again, and

1517
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 1: I think we've done that on something. But I don't

1518
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: think you've done it. But I do love that freaking

1519
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: the peacemaker is spoken. Everything is okay, now, we're good.

1520
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to the seminar. Let's get

1521
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 1: back to uh. Ian. Thank you very much, no problem,

1522
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: thanks guys. All right, there you go. Can I say

1523
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: something when when we talked about the situation with Greg

1524
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: and Ian, it's like, oh, it would be good pod

1525
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: fodder maybe to get them on and you just see

1526
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: what happens, see some fireworks go off. But then when

1527
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 1: the conversation started, like, oh this, I think this is

1528
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: effective and on a different level because I think it's

1529
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: good to hear both sides of this and uh I

1530
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily Greg, you guys ended up um landing

1531
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: in the same place, but you just had a better

1532
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 1: idea of the whole situation, as naughty as it is. No,

1533
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's a good conversation to have

1534
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: and I appreciate it having it and our listeners being

1535
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: able to listen to it. I think that's it's great

1536
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: to hear like both perspectives of it. And it wasn't

1537
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: it was not necessary personal. But what you told me

1538
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: that afterwards, like oh, I I didn't really think about

1539
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: it would get you know, that deep into the Watson

1540
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: stuff and to me that that's all it was about.

1541
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it was that was that was It was

1542
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 1: a very specific to that issue. Like we've been friendly,

1543
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: as Ian said for years talking about news stories and

1544
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: I I still do have a major problem. I wish

1545
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: I had said that too, is like the story is

1546
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: still ongoing, and so that's part of it is I'm

1547
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make I'm trying to change how he acts.

1548
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: Is what I'm trying to do. Whether it works or not,

1549
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't think, um it's going to I thought number one,

1550
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: you did not back down from your position at all,

1551
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: and he also showed strengthen his position, and that that's

1552
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: what made it a great listen. I was an observer

1553
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: for almost say it like that, I want to change

1554
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: how he acts. That's I don't know if that's necessarily

1555
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: something that is going to cause him to change of anything.

1556
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: It might cause him to dig in more and be like,

1557
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: forget what Greg's saying. I mean, it's just that just

1558
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: putting it that way, I guess it's not like I'm

1559
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: like trying to manipulate the situation. I'm just trying, Like,

1560
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: here's someone I know. I think Deshaun Watson could use

1561
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: some people around him who like tell him things that

1562
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, that are different from the way he's being

1563
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: told them. I think the agent, who I think is

1564
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: really the one I'm talking about here ultimately, and the

1565
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: power that the agent has over the media, and how

1566
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: like David Mulla Mullaghetta has basically been like people should

1567
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: be telling him because ultimately I don't think they're doing

1568
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 1: themselves uh any good. And I include that for Ian.

1569
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't want Ian to be remembered or to take

1570
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism, uh, for how we're covering this,

1571
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 1: and it still feels like we're going down that road.

1572
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't get the sense you two will be vacationing

1573
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: together on martha S vineyard anytime. So here's here's the

1574
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: question I have. And I was thinking about this after

1575
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: the conversation. Um, you you've taken issue with how it's

1576
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: been covered, Um, but do you think if it would

1577
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: have been covered in a way that you found to

1578
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: be more effective or tactful, that would have changed anything

1579
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: about what happened with his Because I'm gonna say no,

1580
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 1: I think no matter how the media covered this, there's

1581
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: still these NFL teams that want that guy. Not that

1582
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: they don't care so much about the guy off the field.

1583
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: If they think they can get away with the off

1584
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 1: the field stuff. If I can get the top seven quarterback,

1585
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: top five quarterback at twenty six years old, I'm paying anyway.

1586
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: So I eventually I agree, but I disagree in that

1587
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: the way that it happened and the timing that it happened,

1588
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: I absolutely think, and that the media has an enormous

1589
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: impact on how these teams and leagues and d uh

1590
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: players in everyone opera rate And if there was a

1591
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: loud drumming, it would just wouldn't have just been ian.

1592
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: But if there was been a different way that the

1593
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: entire media was covering it and there was still like

1594
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure and a lot of negativity out there,

1595
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't think it would have happened

1596
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: in that timeline. I think it would have waited until

1597
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: he was suspended. I don't think you would have gotten

1598
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: his guaranteed contract like that. I I do think it

1599
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: would have been a different I want to agree with you,

1600
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 1: but I can't. I I think that there was a team,

1601
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: there were multiple teams pursuing him, and I think changed.

1602
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: I think eventually it all would have come out in

1603
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: the same same place. And that was that was more

1604
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: of the problem that I had. And that's even more cynical.

1605
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 1: It's like they're pandering to a certain public opinion, but

1606
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna go do what they want anyway. I used

1607
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: to have this sort of cynical view, even when I

1608
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: was sort of quasi in the media, that like, actually

1609
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: we didn't have that much of an impact, and and

1610
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 1: you realize that's wrong, like it Jimmy Haslum and Roger

1611
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: Goodell and all all the like major players in this

1612
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: are absolutely frightened and hate like the media reaction and

1613
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: want to diminish it as much as possible. And when

1614
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: it's loud, they have to act. I mean, the only

1615
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: reason why there's uh like the Black Lives Matter and

1616
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: the in the different statements on the side of the fields,

1617
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 1: and everything that's happening is like is because of media

1618
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: and public pressure. Like it's not from any like different feelings,

1619
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 1: and I would consider like this would be the same

1620
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 1: way if there was more media pressure and public pressure

1621
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: to be different. I will say I have been encouraged

1622
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: because I think there was a frustration a lot of

1623
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: us had um when the deal went down with the

1624
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 1: Browns and you saw that it was all guaranteed money

1625
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 1: and even how the contract was backloaded to protect him

1626
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: in the an event he is suspended, that there are

1627
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: the Jenny Brentis is in the world. You know that

1628
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: there is the HBO Real Sports, and that that expose

1629
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: they did that. The drumbeat has continued and kept the

1630
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:02,839
Speaker 1: heat on Watson and on the league and on the lawyers,

1631
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: and it's I think that's going to continue. And again

1632
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,560
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this with me and just

1633
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 1: that I don't I don't think the Browns anticipated this

1634
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: continuing this way. I don't think that it's potentially just starting.

1635
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: He might be battling these things for for a year

1636
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 1: or two in in um court, and I don't think

1637
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 1: they quite considered how that was going to play out,

1638
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 1: right so there you go, Greg, and I just want

1639
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: to say we did get the handshake that was teased

1640
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: at the end of we had a documented we have it.

1641
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: Good for posterity thanks to Drake we had I don't know,

1642
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: I don't want that like that is what because then

1643
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 1: and then we're making like that was stupid. The cameras

1644
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: on it's it's recording everything we do. That's fine, but

1645
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like playing it up for

1646
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,799
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, George Bush, mission accomplished, you know, Banner,

1647
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: it's simply behind them, it's simply for our archive. Okay,

1648
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: so they have to I found this, um problematic. They

1649
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: refused to embrace. Why can't two male co workers who

1650
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: have come to understand that? But that would have been

1651
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 1: next level, would have been you know, maybe more appropriate.

1652
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 1: It's fine. You have, you know, different acquaintances coworkers, colleagues

1653
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: that you go through life. Um and uh you know,

1654
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: you don't have to have the same relationship the whole time.

1655
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: Sometimes you realize, uh, well you are a fine example

1656
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, Dan was so Dana so on top

1657
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: of this, and we don't need to get into the details.

1658
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: But he actually called me on his way home. I

1659
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: believe last night, still trying to um. Uh. You know,

1660
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: it's not like the peacemaker takes off the headsets like

1661
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because he you know, he's been friends with Ian,

1662
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: as he said, for twenty years, and he's you know,

1663
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: worked with me as a colleague with no renditions for

1664
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 1: ten years too, So he wants those two people to dan.

1665
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: This is man, I'm from heaven. I mean, this is

1666
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: like liquid gold. Like Greg was pretending his feelings were hurt.

1667
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: Uh when we taped with Kyle or with Ian, and Uh,

1668
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: I did come up to him privately, Greg, and I

1669
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: put my arm around him and it made him stiffened, duppy,

1670
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: typed up um like a porky pine. And I said,

1671
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: you are my friend, Greg, Yes you did. I was

1672
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: not really offended. You are. You are reading the room alright.

1673
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: So there we go. Here we are. It's time to

1674
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 1: say goodbye. Um, I'm getting on a planet Huntington, Texas,

1675
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: so I might do the same. I will be up

1676
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: there in um gee Bob's attict. Next time we're doing

1677
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: a show together. So we continue on anybody else, on

1678
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: anything to say, thank you everybody for listening, Thank you

1679
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: to Ian. Thank you to Kyle, Thank you to the listeners.

1680
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: Till Monday, he the call full of Hot from Stock

1681
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: to finish, delivers on the great tension of the NFL Draft,

1682
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 1: whilst showing how human the entire process is. Well Now

1683
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: hold on Mark Sessla NFL dot com around the league.

1684
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: That's the banner at running across the wh music from

1685
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: how did it? When did Mark become that? I asked

1686
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: the Gold Center to deliver me some background music with

1687
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 1: emotional heft that was with Wolves potentially. I was eternally

1688
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: vigilant while I was watching the movie, waiting just to

1689
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: jump over some scene that really wouldn't happen in the NFL,

1690
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: And for the most part I thought it rang pretty true.