1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Please check the show notes for more information. Disgraceland is 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: a production of Double Elvis. This is the story of 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: one of the coolest album covers of all time, an 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: album by one of the coolest bands of all time, 6 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: A band that was unaware of the true crime story 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: behind that album art, a true crime involving a pair 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: of serial killers and an unlikely hero, a hero obsessed 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: with rock and roll music that taught this hero how 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: to keep his cool and playing it cool allowed him 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: to escape from and ultimately bring down two of England's 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: most notorious murderers, in part because of great music. Unlike 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: that music I played for you at the top of 14 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: the show. That wasn't great music. That was a preset 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: loop from my mellotron called Guided by the Fright MK one. 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: I played you that loop because I can't afford the 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: rights to it. Must have been love by Roxette. And 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: why would I play you that specific slice of Swiss 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: cheese pop? Could I afford it? Because that was the 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: number one song in America on June twenty sixth, nineteen 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: ninety and that was the day Sonic Youth released their 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: major label debut album Goop, the one with the drawing 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: of two teenage rock and rollers caught up in one 24 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: of England's most violent and disturbing true crimes. 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: On this episode the wild true crime story behind Sonic 26 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Youth's Goop, the Moors murders in an unlikely rock and 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: roll hero. 28 00:01:52,720 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm Jake Brennan, and this is Disgraceland. I have to 29 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: read these words straight off of this album cover to 30 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: make sure that I get them right. I stole my 31 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: sister's boyfriend. It was all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within 32 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: a week, we killed my parents and hit the road. 33 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: I still remember where I was when I read those words, 34 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: standing in the Harvard Square Newberry Comics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, 35 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: holding this album. I couldn't have been older than sixteen, 36 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: and I was mesmerized. What did these words mean? And 37 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: what was this album that they were written on seemingly 38 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: and sharpie by some crazed punk kid. What was this 39 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: album album all about goo? And who was this band, 40 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Sonic Youth. I'd heard of Sonic Youth by that point. 41 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 1: I'd probably seen their earlier albums on EPs, perhaps from 42 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: the SST label listed in fanzine adverts, or maybe I 43 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: spied their logo on a patch on the back of 44 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: one of the cooler punk rock kids that used to 45 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: hang outside the Rat in Boston's Kenmore Square, or maybe 46 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: on a sticker on the bathroom wall at one of 47 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: the hardcore matinees that had recently begun Frequenting. But I'd 48 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: never heard Sonic Youth. I didn't yet know that what 49 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: was in the grus of that record was as cool 50 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: as the caption on its cover. I stole my sister's boyfriend. 51 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: It was all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within a week, 52 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: we killed my parents and hit the road. What the 53 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: hell was this? Were these lyrics from one of Sonic 54 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: Youth's songs? And who was this couple illustrated on the 55 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: cover of this album next to this caption? I knew 56 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: that Sonic Youth had a girl in the band? Was 57 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: this her? Was the dude next to her in the 58 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: illustration her boyfriend or something one of the others from 59 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: the band? And what did this caption mean? These two 60 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: killed the girl's parents? Was this what Sonic Youth's songs 61 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: were about? Murder? By the year nineteen ninety, Sonic Youth 62 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: was poised to break out of the underground music scene 63 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: and into the mainstream. Their nineteen ninety album Goo was 64 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: to be their major label debut for DGC, the David 65 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: Geffen Company. Up to this point, Sonic Youth had built 66 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: a loyal fan base of punk's hardcore kids, arts, school 67 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: and college students, music fans, mostly youth, who identified with 68 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: the band's sonic assault on convention both musically and socially. 69 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: Sonic Youth. When Sonic Youth began back in nineteen eighty one, 70 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: they weren't punk. Punk was dead, and they weren't new wave. 71 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: They were no wave, and they weren't just loud. They 72 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: were noise, and they weren't your typical rock and roll 73 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: band set up. There was a girl in the band 74 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: and her name was Kim Kim Gordon, and she was badass, 75 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: not some cutesy ornament, not some sultry front woman. She 76 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: was gorgeous, sure, but beyond stereotyping. Her beauty seemed to 77 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: spring from strength, not polish. And she played her bass 78 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: with power and in a conventional tuning which anchored the 79 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: noisy chaos created by the squalling feedback of guitarists Thurston 80 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 1: Moore and Lee Ronaldo, and by the year nineteen eighty five, 81 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: when drummer Steve Shelley joined the band, Kim Gordon had 82 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: helped create what was at once one of the most 83 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: driving and danceable rhythm sections in popular music, and she 84 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: was married to Thurston More. Sonic Youth was not fronted 85 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: by a groupie, hustling alpha duche as were other rock bands. 86 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: Sonic Youth contemporaries on MTV and countless groups for music history. 87 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: No Sonic use guitarist and co singer on most of 88 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: their tracks. Their creative instigator the six foot eight inch 89 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: guitar player who sometimes played a stringed instrument with a 90 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: screwdriver in order to elicit the appropriate type of drone 91 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: to compliment his compositions. This dude was not Nicky six 92 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: for Motley Crue. He was an artist in love with 93 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: a fellow artist who happened to play bass in the 94 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: same band with him and his other artist friends. In 95 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety this was damn near revolutionary. Still kind of 96 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: is actually. Go ahead and try to think of another 97 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: culture defining rock band with a married couple in it. 98 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: I'll wait see the closest you're going to come is 99 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: the White Stripes, but they're an anomaly. And there's also 100 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: Lindsay Buckingham and Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac, but they 101 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: weren't married and that relationship was a romantic shit show. 102 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: It was completely cliche, one band member cheating on his 103 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: female band member partner while she was exploring the wonders 104 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: of cocaine Enemas with the group Roadies, it was all convention, 105 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: as cliche as a rock star dying at the age 106 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: of twenty seven. Sonic Youth didn't do convention. Sonic Youth 107 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: didn't do cliche, not on record, not on stage, not 108 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: off stage, not in Kim in Thurston's relationship. The band 109 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: was as anti cliche as could be and cool in 110 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: an entirely new kind of way. The way they sounded 111 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: was cool the power of Sonic Youth shows, their East 112 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: Coast no way of avant garde esthetic and their West 113 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: Coast hardcore energy. The way they looked was cool Oxford 114 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: shirts and velvet underground wrapped around shades with Kim's single 115 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: striped mod dresses. And like I said, in the way 116 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: they seemed to live as a band with a married 117 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: couple at the core of the group's artist collective vibe. 118 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: All of it signaled cool in a way you hadn't 119 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: thought about before, not unless you were living on New 120 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: York's Lower East Side or in Greg Ginn's shack back 121 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: in the year eighties. And even if you were What's 122 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: up Henry Rowlinson, Oh hey, Glenn Bronca, you weren't thinking 123 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: about all of these different layers of coolness and executing 124 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: them at the same time, alchemizing some sort of new 125 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: cool thing that was about to turn on a new generation. 126 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Otherwise you would have been in Sonic Youth and you weren't. 127 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: They were, and they were cooler than we were. But 128 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: was Sonic Youth cooler than the couple on the cover 129 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: of their album Goo, cool enough to escape the glare 130 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: of the international paparazzi, cool enough to escape murder? David 131 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: Smith was fifteen years old when Pauline Reid disappeared from 132 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: the Gordon district of Manchester, a city one hundred and 133 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: fifty miles north of London. Pauline Reid was only sixteen. 134 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: It was nineteen sixty three. David Smith wasn't concerned with 135 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: his community's missing girl. As a member of the Taylor 136 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: Street Boys gang. He was busy fighting off the Open 137 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Shops who had invaded David's gang's turf in Gordon's Housing 138 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: estates low income terrorists living no money, no jobs, no future, 139 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: just violence and rock and roll. David could still hear 140 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: the Dwayne Eddie riff echoing in his head. When the 141 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: first punch hit, the bit of blood in his mouth 142 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: fueled him. He swung back wildly, connecting with the jaw 143 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: one of the open shop boys. The brass knuckles David 144 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: wore ensured that the open chow boy wouldn't be coming 145 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: back for more. David fought his way through the melee 146 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: on the street. His boys, the Taylor Street Gang, had 147 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the situation under control. David could keep the knife in 148 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: his pocket. He pushed through the street fight and up 149 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: onto the sidewalk. David knew she was watching him from 150 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: inside Savori's cafe, and he knew what type of Imagy cut. 151 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: As he emerged from the brawling bodies on the street, 152 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: a street walking cheetah perched on cuban kill cowboy boots, 153 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: drain pipe, skinny black jeans cuffed high to reveal a 154 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: shocking dash of his pink socks. Studded belt, buttoned down 155 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: black shirt, crucifix for protection hanging over his chest, perfectly styled, 156 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: greased pompadora, slick, wet with sweat, slightly bloodied, sixteen and dangerous. 157 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: David Smith pushed open the door of the cafe into 158 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: the sounds of Elvis Presley's It's Now Are Never blasting 159 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: from the jukebox and made immediate eye contact with the 160 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: girl with the dusty springfield makeup, lacquered beehive hairdoo and 161 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: poodled skirt, seventeen year old Maureen Henley. David b lined 162 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: it to Marene, grabbed her by the hips, pulled her 163 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: toward him, and confidently swayed to the sounds of the King. 164 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: Their union was as inevitable as rock and roll, and 165 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: little did either know the murders they would get swept 166 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: up in would soon make them infamous. Their images blasted 167 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: across the covers of newspapers all over the world, sensationalized 168 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: in true crime scandal racks, and eventually on the cover 169 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: on one of the coolest albums of all time. The 170 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: illustration on the cover of Sonic Yus Goo is a 171 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: depiction of David Smith and Maureen Henley, the boy with 172 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: the rock and roll street gang look and the girl 173 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: with the dusty Springfield makeup. If they appear to be 174 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: more mod looking on the cover of Goo, that's purely accidental. 175 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: They weren't mods, they were rockers. The artist who depicted 176 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: the couple on the newt Famous album is Raymond Petibone, 177 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: brother of Black Flag guitarist at SST Records founder Greg Ginn. 178 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: Prior to nineteen ninety, Sonic Youths had released two full 179 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: length albums on SST, Evil and Sister. They then jumped 180 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: ship to the Enigma label to release daydream Nation in 181 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. At some point they became not just 182 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: fans of, but friends with, Raymond Pettibone. Petibone, at the 183 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: time was known for the album already created for Black 184 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: Flag and other West Coast hardcore groups, stark, violent, anti 185 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: authoritative illustrations and imagery that recontextualized images source from books, magazines, cartoons, 186 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: often accompanied by dark and quippi text that recontextualized the 187 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: imagery into something unique. In a word, Petabone's work is punk. 188 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: Here are some other words subversive, dangerous, larcenous, and again 189 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: unique like real punk, no matter the context seventies eighties 190 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: East West Coast, US UK. You know it when you 191 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: hear it. With petobones art, you know it when you 192 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: see it. Contextualization is at the heart of Raymond Petobone's work, 193 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: or rather recontextualization, and the cover of Goo is no 194 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: different that illustration of David Smith and Maureen Hinley. It's 195 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: accompanied by those chilling words I stole my sister's boyfriend. 196 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: It was all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within a week, 197 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: we killed my parents and hit the road. Without those words, 198 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: it's just a cool image, and with those words, the 199 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: image is arresting. And that's how sonic youth Thurston Moore 200 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: felt when he saw that piece of Petobone Aret arrested. 201 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: Petobone took the image from an old true crime magazine 202 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: called True Detective. There's still by my research anyway, no 203 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: telling where those words came from. Did Petobone write them? 204 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: Did those words relate to the couple in the illustration, 205 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: to David and Marene, to the crime and they were 206 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: caught up in No? Did Thurston More draft those words 207 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: in collaboration with the artist. He did not. Those words 208 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: likely came from another true crime magazine or true crime article, 209 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: some other bit of sensationalized history that the artists felt 210 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: better fit this image. That recontextualization is in part what 211 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: makes the image so cool. Recontextualization was also at the 212 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: heart of Sonic Youth's art their music. Ever since their 213 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: second studio album, Bad Moon Rising, released back in nineteen 214 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: eighty five on the Homestead label, Sonic Youth began recontextualizing 215 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: classic rock and American true crime and appropriating these elements 216 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: from the mainstream into underground culture. Bad Moon Rising was 217 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: the title of a Creden's Clear Outer revival to a 218 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: song by a band from the Bay Area that presented 219 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: themselves as swamp creatures from the Bayou, and they wrote big, 220 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: hook key radio hits designed to sell gazillions of albums 221 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: to stone hippies for their corporate record label, Overlords. Sonic 222 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: Youth was an experimental noise outfit from the East Coast 223 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: who presented themselves as the antithesis of everything CCR stood for, 224 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: and they wrote long, sometimes droney, sometimes driving sonic opuses 225 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: that were designed to blow out your radio speakers. Bad 226 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: Moon Rising may have nodded to CCR's swamps, but it 227 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: sounded like the New York City Thurston Moore moved to 228 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: from the Connecticut suburbs in the seventies. Dissonant and extreme 229 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: New York City at the time was a true crime. 230 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: It was not entirely dissimilar from the creepy Crowley true 231 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: crime cloud Kim Gordon grew up under in California a 232 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: decade earlier. That was an American facade of normal ripped 233 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: apart by Charles Manson's death Cult, a community living on 234 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: the razor's edge of para rock stars and celebrities, fearing 235 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: that the next home invasion making headlines might be their 236 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: own young kids, tormented by thoughts of lunatic killers on 237 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: the loose, prowling the streets, and sixty nine Mustangs for 238 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: unsuspecting teenage hitchhikers to sacrifice in some hippie dippy occult 239 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: blood ritual. That's what the song Death Valley sixty nine 240 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: from Bad Moon Rising was about, a dark true crime 241 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: exploration of the American underbelly. It was more about Thurston 242 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: Moor's and co writer No Wave collaborator Lyda Lunch's fascination 243 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: with the Manson saga than it was about their own 244 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: subjective fear fear, real fear, real, true crime paranoia that 245 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: was reserved for the song Pacific Coast Highway, written by 246 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: Kim Gordon for Sonic Youth's sister album. It's lyrics come on, 247 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: get in the car, let's go for a ride somewhere. 248 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: I won't hurt you as much as you hurt me. 249 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: Those lyrics trade the fear. Kim grew up in in 250 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: southern California, in the shadow of Charles Manson's nihilistic True Crimes. 251 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: Back in England in nineteen sixty six, nihilism was suddenly 252 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: a concern of David Smith's. David Smith, the rock and 253 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: roll street tough from Manchester, ended up marrying Mareen Hinley, 254 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: the girl with the dusty Springfield makeup. He was just 255 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: sixteen and she was eighteen. The two became fast friends 256 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: with Maureene's sister Myra and Myra's husband, Ian Brady. Myra 257 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: was twenty two, Ian was twenty six. It was August 258 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four in the Gordon community of Manchester, another 259 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: child had gone missing. Keith Bennett's parents joined Pauline Reid's 260 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: in despair. David Smith's precious rock and roll wasn't on 261 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: the turntable or the radio. In Ian and Myra's home 262 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: were the two couples hung out. Ian was decidedly not 263 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: rock and roll. He had what he considered to be 264 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: refined taste, preferring the sounds of Richard Wagner, the favorite 265 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: composer of his hero Adolf Hitler. Ian had offensive tastes, 266 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: and David hated him for it, but sixteen year old 267 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: David tolerated his brother in law for the sake of 268 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: his new wife. Ian was older than he was now family, 269 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: and the two couples drank heavily together, and the drunker 270 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: they got the weirder. Ian got Ian was a nihilist. 271 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: Ian believed life was meaningless and that the universe had 272 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: no intrinsic purpose. Ian vibed on historical atrocities in his 273 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: suit and tie. He affected the look of an intellectual 274 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: who espoused the views of fellow nihilists like the Marquis 275 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: de Sade and Frederic Nietzsche, and that morality was just 276 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: a construct invented to protect the weak. Ian owned a 277 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: copy of the Band Book just by the Marquis de Sade, 278 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: and the book depicted extreme sexual violence and was widely 279 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: viewed as an instrument of morals ab version. Ian made 280 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: David read Justine, He made David provide notes on the 281 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: band book. Ian wouldn't shut up about it, and David 282 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: complied just to get Ian off his back. Ian and 283 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: his wife Myra brought David and Myra's sister Mareene closer 284 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: into their twisted philosophy. David did his best to ignore 285 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: Ian's eccentricities, and so did Maureen. But family is family, 286 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: and the forsome picnicked out on the moors. The Moor's 287 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: a bleak highland, a vast and isolated landscape, just a 288 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: few miles outside Gordon, Manchester. It was the scene of 289 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: one of Ian and Myra's sickest jokes, the older couple 290 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: inviting the younger couple for a day out of wine 291 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: and food out on the moors, picnicking on the precise 292 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: patch of land where Ian and Myra had buried the body. 293 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this word word word chuck 294 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: d from Public Enemy didn't want to hear the new 295 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: song from Sonic Youth, which he was about to lay 296 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: down a vocal for. He just wanted to get into 297 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: the booth and cut it. He trusted Thurston More and 298 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: he trusted Kim Gordon. The couple in their band, by 299 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety were synonymous with downtown cool. Chuck didn't even 300 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: want to read Kim's lyrics. He just wanted to jump 301 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: into the vocal booth and respond to whatever she sang 302 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: and what Kim Gordon sang on What was to become 303 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: the lead single off Sonic Youth's forthcoming major label debut, 304 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: Goo was an empowerment manifesto cut from the cloth of 305 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: a new kind of feminism. Her words were steeped in irony, intelligence, 306 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: and sex. It was a new decade, and Kim Gordon 307 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: had some questions. I just want to know what are 308 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: you going to do for me? I mean, are you 309 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: going to liberate us girls from male, white corporate oppression? 310 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Chuck de responded with tell it like it is. Prior 311 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: to this impromptu collab, Chuck had been recording down the 312 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Hall from Sonic Youth with his group Public Enemy. Thurston 313 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: Moore was a massive hip hop fan and had been 314 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: since the new genre exploded across the streets of New 315 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: York and beyond over the past decade. Chuck didn't know 316 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: that Sonic Youth knew somehow before anyone else the Public 317 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: Enemy was going to call their new album Fear of 318 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: a Black Planet. So when Chuck de sat in the 319 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: vocal booth recording his guest spot on Sonic Youth's new tune, 320 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: a song he'd never heard before, he was mildly shocked 321 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: when he heard Kim Gordon's vocal crackle in through his 322 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 1: headphones with the lyrics don't be shy fear of a 323 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: Female Planet. Chuck played it cool, grinning slightly while improvising 324 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: his next lines, fear Baby. Let everybody know. That song 325 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: was called cool Thing, and it's one of the coolest 326 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: vocal duet performances you'll ever hear. Leave it to Thurston 327 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: More to help orchestrate one of the coolest recordings to 328 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: come out of the nineties, because for a decade and 329 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: a half up to that point, Thurst and More have 330 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: been burnishing his underground credentials and organically creating the undeniably 331 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: cool aesthetic that his band would project. And this is 332 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: because since the moment Thurston Moore arrived in New York 333 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: City in nineteen seventy six from his suburban hometown of Bethel, Connecticut, 334 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: the dude was at almost every seminal rock and roll moment. 335 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: The city had hosted all of that cool sprouting up 336 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: from the cracks of the Lower East Side and throughout 337 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: the Five Borrows, all the early punk, the New Wave explosion, 338 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: the No Wave response, the early days of hip hop, 339 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: the art pop exhibitions, the hardcore matinees, grunge, metal, college rock, 340 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: avant garde, you name it. If it was cool, and 341 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: if it had to do with music and was happening 342 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: in New York, then Thurston Moore's record collection reflected that 343 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: cool because Thurston Moore was there. 344 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Thurston was there. Thurston Moore, the tall kid who 345 00:23:47,960 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: came up from behind from Connecticut, from the coachman with 346 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: the kids. 347 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: From Risney in south of Houston. But Thurston was there. 348 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: He was there in nineteen seventy eight, he was there 349 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 2: at the first SID show at Maxis, But Thurston was there. 350 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: He was there because he was there. But Thurston was there. 351 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: He was there in nineteen seventy six when the pumps 352 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 3: over Kablondi. 353 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: At Sebbe Genis, he was vibing on. 354 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: The keyboard sounds without irony. He was the first guy 355 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 2: playing Madonna to the punk kids. 356 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: He heard it at dance Materia. Everybody thought he was crazy, 357 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: so they don't know. But Thurston was there. 358 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: With the better looking people with better ideas and more talent. 359 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: They were actually. 360 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: Really, really nice. 361 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: I heard Thurston press the seven inch of every live 362 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: song ever done by Venom at City. 363 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: Gardens, but with no music we shall. 364 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: See on stage rants none of the black metal tracks. 365 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: I heard. 366 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: Thurston was on the guest list for the Richard ll 367 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: show at the Saint Mark's Poetry Project. 368 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: When Elvis Costello sagd he wants to make a noise record. 369 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: I hear that Thurston and his band has sold their 370 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 2: guitar picks and bought screwdrivers. I hear that Thurston and 371 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: his band has so the screwdrivers at bod Guitar Picks. 372 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 2: I hear everybody that Thurston knows is more relevant than. 373 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: Everybody I know. But have you seen Thurston. 374 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 3: Record Johnson and Ma'am I'm dam Love of the Terror Calls, Swans, Kingsman, 375 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: The Black Flag, Glenn Branco, The Germs, the. 376 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: Gray Recording, Henry and Nita double Nicholas on the game. 377 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: That's Klein, Ma'am Pussy Galora seven inches before they wrote it. 378 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: Who's could do Agnostic Front, the Weirdo's Red Cross, Sunny 379 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: Shak X. 380 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: Nirvana, or that Cole Birthday party on the raincoat, I screamed, 381 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: Derek b and Rakim kleenex CHACONI Youth, the Young, alber Riches, 382 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: saque chart Alas Kochhe, the X, Race, FECs, Faith Boyd, Split, 383 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: the Slit SAgs, Philip Glass, She did, Jesus and the Jerks, 384 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: the Jills, the Obsessed. 385 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: The botoms, the bottoms, the bottoms, the bottoms. Thurston Moore 386 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: was very much there in his apartment in nineteen ninety, 387 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: rifling through some handmade Raymond Pettobone magazines zines, hunting for 388 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: an image to use for his band's next album's cover art. 389 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: He and the rest of the band wanted to use 390 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: a petabone illustration of Joan Crawford with their lips puckered out, 391 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: and to call their major label debut album, Blowjob. There's 392 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: a question mark the end of Blowjob. The subversiveness of 393 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: such a move is so thick that I'm not going 394 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: to ruin it here with an explanation, but I will 395 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: say that this idea did not go over well with 396 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: Gary Gersh Their a and r Man at DGC, Thurston 397 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: played it cool. There was plenty more subversiveness to mine. Instead, 398 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: he landed upon a petobone image of a teenage looking 399 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: couple in wrap around shades, one smoking a cigarette and 400 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: the other looking down. The caption read, I stole my 401 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: sister's boyfriend. It was all whirlwind, heat in flash. Within 402 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: a week, we killed my parents and hit the road. 403 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: What it all meant, Thurston didn't know or care. All 404 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: he knew was that it was, in a word, cool. 405 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: The crime at the core of that image was a mystery, 406 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: just as the crime of the missing children in Manchester 407 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: back in nineteen sixty five was a mystery, a mystery 408 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: that David Smith was about to unintentionally solve. By the 409 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: fall of nineteen sixty five, a total of four children 410 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: had been reported missing in Manchester, going back as far 411 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: as July nineteen sixty three. They included, in order of 412 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: their disappearance, Pauline Reid sixteen, John Kilbride twelve, Keith Bennett twelve, 413 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: and Leslie Anne Downey, aged ten. On the night of 414 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: October seventh, nineteen sixty five, David Smith left his wife 415 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: Maureen at home and went by his brother and sister 416 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: in laws place, Ian Brady and Myra Henley had summoned David. 417 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: They had some wine they wanted to give him. When 418 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: David arrived, Myra quickly ushered him inside and closed the door. 419 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: Things were very wrong in the living room. Before he 420 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: could even react, David saw Ian standing over a young 421 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: man lying on a piece of furniture. In a split second, 422 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: David saw an axe in Ian's hands rise up above 423 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: his head, and in another instant, before David could say 424 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: or do anything, Ian's axe came down hard into the 425 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: young man. The young man fell off the furniture, screaming 426 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: bloody murder as he made a feeble attempt to crawl away. 427 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: David stood and shot. Ian brought the axe down again. 428 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: That stopped the young man from moving. All of a 429 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: sudden there was blood everywhere on the walls, on Ian's face, 430 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: all over the axe, running across the living room's hardwood floor, 431 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: covering it in black. Again, Ian brought down the axe, 432 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: more blood, a final screen, and then the axe again, 433 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: more blood. Ian through the axe and then straddled the 434 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: young man and began strangling him. The white snow from 435 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: the television was the room's only light, and the sound 436 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: of the TV's speaker's white noise overtook the fading gurgle 437 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: of the strangled young man, and then the gurgling stopped completely. 438 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: Ian let go of his neck and Myra shut off 439 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: the television. There was just silence. David was frozen in fear. 440 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: Myra broke the tension, saying, that's it, that's the messiest one. 441 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: Yet David snapped too. He knew, he knew in that 442 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: moment who he was with, the murderers behind Manchester's missing children. 443 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: Fear overtook him. He was next. He was certain Ian 444 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: and Myra were going to kill him. But Ian had 445 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: other plans. He wanted David in on his murderous, nihilistic action. 446 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: He wanted another serial killer, a third partner in crime. 447 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: This murder that Ian and Myra had staged in front 448 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: of David was designed to entrap David, to make him complicit, 449 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: to pull him into their crime along with his wife. 450 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: But that wasn't all. Now the scene needed cleaning up. 451 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: Disposing of dead bodies was hard work. Three sets of 452 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: hands were better than two. David played it cool. He 453 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: did what Ian and Myra said. He was afraid that 454 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: that axe would be brought down on his skull. Next, 455 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: he swallowed whatever fear he had in him, tamped down 456 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: the revolting feeling in his stomach, and went to work 457 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: with Ian and Myra. They trust the body a victim 458 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: whose name was Edward Evans, and they carried Edward's body 459 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: into an upstairs bedroom. And then they got on their 460 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: knees and sopped up the spilled blood with rags, removed 461 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: the bits of brains from the walls, and when it 462 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: was all done, the three of them sat in the 463 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: rising morning sunlight and drank tea. David played along. It 464 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: was the only thing he could do. It was the 465 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: only way of escaping, of getting out of this house alive. 466 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: Go along, do what they said, get it all over 467 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: with and get out with your life like Elvis and 468 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: King Creole. Play it cool, and that's exactly what he did. 469 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: Ian and Myra were confident in David's complicity. They made 470 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: plans to see each other later in the day to 471 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: dispose of the body. David walked out of their apartment 472 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: away from the murder scene, went straight home, told his wife, 473 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: Myra's sister Maureen, exactly what happened, and then they called 474 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: the cops. In nineteen eighty six, Thurston Moore sang the 475 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: words We're going to kill the California Girls in the 476 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: song Expressway to Your Skull also known as Madonna Sean 477 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: in Me from the band's third studio album Evil. A 478 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: year later, Kim Gordon saying come on, get in the car, 479 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: Let's go for a drive somewhere. I won't hurt you 480 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: as much as you'll hurt me. In the song Pacific 481 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: Coast Highway from Sonic Youth's next album, Sister. In one, 482 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: lyric Thurston Moore personifies the deepest fear Kim Gordon had 483 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: as a teenager growing up in California being abducted and 484 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: murdered by a West Coast sociopath, being a victim of 485 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: the Manson family. We're gonna kill the California Girls. In 486 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: the other Kim puts herself on the side of the 487 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: road with that killer as he manipulates her into his grip. 488 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: Come on, get in the car, Let's go for a 489 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: drive somewhere. I won't hurt you as much as you'll 490 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: hurt me. Both songs Expressway to Your Skull and Pacific 491 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: Coast Highway continued the Sonic Youth tradition of subverting class 492 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: to rock cliche. The We're Gonna Kill the California Girls 493 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: lyric takes direct aim at the heart of the Beach 494 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: Boys American dream, while Pacific Coast Highway indirectly crawls its 495 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: way into the American prime of the century, the one 496 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: that was supposedly inspired by a Beatles song Helter Skelter. 497 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 1: Both songs Ooh's paranoid weirdness, that feeling you get when 498 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: the moment you're in turns surreal when you see yourself 499 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: in the movie you never wanted to be in. It 500 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: was the same feeling David Smith had when he arrived 501 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: at Ian and Myra's home the night Edward Evans was murdered. 502 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: The feeling David Smith now once again had sitting in 503 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 1: the backseat of a police car with his wife Maureen, 504 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: both feeling the harsh glare of the public spotlight for 505 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: David's part and what had come to be known as 506 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: the Moore's murders. After he escaped from the murder scene, 507 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: David Smith, along with Maureen Henley, his wife, armed themselves 508 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: with a knife and a screwdriver and went to the 509 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: nearest phone booth, called the police and turned Ian Brady 510 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: and Myra Henley In. David accompanied the police to Ian 511 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: and Myra's home, where the body of Edward Evans was 512 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: quickly discovered. So were two luggage tickets from the Manchester 513 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: Central Railway station. Ian's luggage at the station was located 514 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: and searched. In it and audio tape on it the 515 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: horrifying sounds of ten year old Leslian Downey being murdered 516 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: and pleading for her life. Also in the luggage photographs 517 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: of Ian and Myra posing out on the moors in 518 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: different locations. The investigators realized that Ian and Myra's photos 519 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: were markers. It was their sick way of remembering where 520 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: they'd buried the bodies, remembering so they could bring David 521 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: and Maureen out to picnic on top of the buried bodies. 522 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 1: In the weeks to come, the bodies of Lesliean Downey 523 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: and John Kilbride were disinterred. Pauline Reid's remains were not 524 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: found until twenty years later. To this day, the remains 525 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: of Keith Bennett have never been found. With Ian and 526 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 1: eventually Myra under arrest, a trial was set. Both pleaded 527 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: not guilty. Incredibly, both strategically lied on the stand to 528 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: implicate David Smith as the driving force behind the murder 529 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: of Edward Evans. Their lies were widely believed to be true. 530 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: From the minute the news broke, the public suspected David 531 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: Smith of being a child murderer. The Moore's murders were 532 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: instantly international news. A global press corps in snarled Manchester, 533 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: and the need for storylines surrounding the murder was set. 534 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: Over one hundred and fifty journalists secured press credentials for 535 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 1: the trial. They all needed an angle. Some approached David 536 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: Smith with intellectual laziness. Looked like a punk with that 537 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: greasy rock and roll pompadour, clad and all black. He 538 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: must be guilty. He had a juvenile delinquent passed, he 539 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: was part of a street gang. Of course, he's a murderer. 540 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: He was seventeen years old and clearly part of all 541 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: that was wrong with this generation. Lock him up, and 542 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: David did himself no favors when he accepted payments from 543 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: News of the World to tell his side of the story. 544 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: David was broke, and yes, he was seventeen, and now 545 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 1: he was internationally known as a rock and roll sociopath. 546 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: His job prospects were less than zero. The money for 547 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,400 Speaker 1: his story was the only way to survive, as he 548 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: saw it, but the public didn't see it that way. 549 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: The newspapers and the news programs covered two trials, the 550 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: official trial of Ian Brady and Myra Henley and the 551 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: unofficial public opinion trial of the Rock and Roll juvenile 552 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: delinquent David Smith and his wife. David and Maureene were vilified, slurred, 553 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: dragged in the press. Their lives threatened. David was under 554 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 1: attack everywhere he went, verbally and physically. Many in Manchester 555 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: and across the globe wanted him dead. The story was 556 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: front page news in the New York Times. The trial 557 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: was widely anticipated, and the guilt of David and Maureen 558 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: hotly debated. On the way to the courthouse, the two 559 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: sat in the back seat of a police car as 560 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: they were being escorted to the proceedings through a massive 561 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: crowd on the street, not just journalists and photographers and 562 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: news program cameramen, but ordinary onlookers, all trying to sneak 563 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: a peek at the now infamous juvenile delinquents, whom many 564 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: believed to be guilty of murder. The crowd screamed for David. 565 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: It reminded him of the Beatlemanian newsreels he'd seen. The 566 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: crowd swarmed the police car, which was moving at a 567 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: snail's pace. David and Maureen were terrified. The crowd beat 568 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: their fists on the car, screaming bloody murder at the 569 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: petrified couple. Maureen fingered her pack of cigarettes. David adjusted 570 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: the sunglasses. The cop behind the wheel managed to quiten 571 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: the pace a bit, and the panda car slowly parted 572 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: the sea of people, and they continued moving slowly, careful 573 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: not to run anyone over. David spotted a journalist jogging 574 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: alongside the car. Photographers are stapping picks mid chase. He 575 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 1: pushed his bangs from his forehead. He was sweating profusely, 576 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: so much so that no amount of hair grease was 577 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: going to hold that pompadoor in place. Maureen lit her 578 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: cigarette to calmer nerves. Their car stopped at a red light. 579 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: The courthouse was almost in sight just around the corner. 580 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: The cop in the passenger seat turned to the couple 581 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: in the back and they were almost relieved for a second, 582 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: and then the cop said, prepare yourself for a bumpy ride. 583 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 1: Just then the car turned onto the street with the courthouse, 584 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: and an ocean of people rushed toward them. The car 585 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: was engulfed. They were moving once again the snail space. 586 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 1: The screams outside got louder, and the pounding on the 587 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: windows got more intense. The flashbulbs brighter, the fear inside 588 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: the car white hot. David and Maureene were dripping in sweat, 589 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: but chill into the unfocused eye, keeping their cool outside, 590 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 1: David spied a photographer breaking through the crowd beyond Marene's 591 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: window to her right. He looked ahead, careful not to 592 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: give the vulture anything. Mareen ignored the photographer too. She 593 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: dragged from her smoke, played a coolerself, stared ahead, and 594 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,839 Speaker 1: the picture was taken. The picture that would later bring 595 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: even more cool to what was already one of the 596 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: coolest bands of all time. The couple immortalized in one shot. 597 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: They weren't captured for all time looking scared. They weren't 598 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: captured for all time looking like victims, and they weren't 599 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:14,720 Speaker 1: captured for all time looking like villains either. Instead, David 600 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 1: and Maureen were captured looking cool, like Dwayne Eddie and 601 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: Dusty Springfield, not like two kids being scared to death 602 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: by a Hornet's nest of public judgment. David and Maureen 603 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: made it through the trial. Ian Brady was convicted of 604 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: murdering Edward Evans, Leslie Anne Downey, and John Kilbride. Myra 605 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: was convicted of murdering Leslie Ann Edward and as an 606 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 1: accessory after the fact in the John Kilbrad murder, the 607 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: two later confessed to the murders of Pauline Reid and 608 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: Keith Bennett. Ian was sentenced to three concurrent life sentences. 609 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 1: He died in prison at age seventy nine in twenty seventeen. 610 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: Myra was sentenced to life, and she also died in 611 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: at the age of sixty in two thousand and two. 612 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: David and Maureen barely survived the public scrutiny after the trial. 613 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: They divorced in nineteen seventy three. David Smith lived under 614 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: constant suspicion and threat. Part of the public always blamed 615 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: him for not stopping Ian Brady from murdering Edward Evans, 616 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: but the reality was that David survived Ian Brady's murder 617 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: of Edward Evans and lived to help bring Ian and 618 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: Myra to justice. Most importantly, he prevented the killing of 619 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: more children and brought an end to the Moore's murders. 620 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: David Smith was a hero, He just looked like a 621 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: juvenile delinquent. That type of superficial judgment David Smith fell under. 622 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: It's a cliche, the dangerous looking rock and roll youth. 623 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: It was one of many classic rock and roll cliches 624 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: that Sonic Youth subverted. There was no glossy imagery on 625 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: the cover of their major label debut album Goo. There 626 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: was a black and white illustration of two mysterious teenagers 627 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: who unknowingly got caught up with some serial killers. And 628 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: there were no type liner notes espousing the virtues of 629 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: the musicians who played on Goo. There was sharp eyed 630 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: texts that said, I stole my sister's boyfriend. It was 631 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: all whirlwind, heat and flash. Within a week, we killed 632 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 1: my parents and hit the road. Sonic Youth didn't sing 633 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: songs about cliched unrequited rock and roll love. They sang 634 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: about Death Valley in nineteen sixty nine, killing the California 635 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: girls on an expressway to your Skull, and spree killers 636 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: on the Pacific Coast Highway. They didn't affect your typical 637 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: rock and roll image either. They took the stage and 638 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: called Oxford shirts and with a quote unquote girl in 639 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: the band. But for all their subversiveness, Sonic Youth did 640 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,800 Speaker 1: become the victim of one rock and roll cliche, the 641 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: twenty seventh Club. In October twenty eleven, twenty seven years 642 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 1: after they were married, Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon, announced 643 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: they were separating. Thirst and Moore, after avoiding the cliche 644 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: trappings of the chick shagging rock and roll front man, 645 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: have been discovered having an affair with another woman. His 646 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: marriage was dead at just twenty seven years old, and 647 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 1: his band was dead too. Sonic Youth played their last 648 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: show on November twenty fourth, twenty eleven. But like that 649 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: image of David Smith and his wife Maureen on the 650 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: cover of Goo Sonic Youth, the band remains eternally cool 651 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: despite any connection to Disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan and this 652 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,439 Speaker 1: is Disgrace Land. 653 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 2: All right, guys, thanks for checking out this episode on 654 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 2: Sonic Youth. Hope you doug it listen. Question of the 655 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 2: Week This week coolest. 656 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: Album cover of all time? 657 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 3: What is it? 658 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: Let Me Know? 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