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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two oh eight,

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Speaker 1: Episode one of Guy, the production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where take a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: America's share consciousness. And it is Monday, November one. We

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Speaker 1: made it. People said we'd never make it to November

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Speaker 1: one is a podcast, but we're here. We're here to

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Speaker 1: observe National Cow Zone Day, National Cinnamon Day, Vegan Day,

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Speaker 1: Cook for your Pets Day Day, snuck in there under

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Speaker 1: the wire. Yeah, I mean, after all that sugar that

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Speaker 1: we've been eating from Halloween. You love vinegar to bounce

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Speaker 1: things out, isn't Halloween is like all Hallow's Eve, So

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Speaker 1: it's really like the day before we have the official holiday,

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Speaker 1: which is of course National cow Zone Day. Of course, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: that is all Saints Day or thing. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. I used to get

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Speaker 1: stoked though, because I would say Catholic high school and

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Speaker 1: sometimes you get that day off, really get sucked up

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Speaker 1: on Halloween in high school. Well, my name is Jack

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Speaker 1: O'Brien aka. Somebody once told me they're voting for Mitt Romney.

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Speaker 1: He said, how the neighbor I am ted will? He

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Speaker 1: seemed all nice and fun and his mustache was real dumb.

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Speaker 1: I just knew that that asshole votes all read that

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Speaker 1: is courtesy a Christie. I'm a Gucci mane talking about

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Speaker 1: how Ted Lasso clearly a Republican. Come on, y'all, let's

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Speaker 1: be real, he's a Lasso truther and I'm thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined as always buy my co host Mr Miles

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Speaker 1: grag Yes, Jack, your Pringles take seems to have offended

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Speaker 1: a few people that they turned to much so and

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Speaker 1: on ear of that, I just want to sing this

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Speaker 1: track to you. They say, there is a sacred phrase

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Speaker 1: once coveted by friedo Ley. But you don't really care

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Speaker 1: for pringles, do you. It goes like this from bottom

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Speaker 1: to top. Once you pop, you just can't stop a

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Speaker 1: communion way for sexy salty cousin. That's not true, Jack.

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Speaker 1: They don't turn to goog Jack. They'll crunch to Jack.

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Speaker 1: They'll still crunch to Okay, thank you so much to

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Speaker 1: Marky Mark Aurelius on the discord, like that little gladiator

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Speaker 1: reference historical reference. But yes, they don't turn to good

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Speaker 1: Jack is what people seem to think. I do say this.

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Speaker 1: They're they're not all chips, so they do something funky

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Speaker 1: in there. I mean they've been specifically sued in the

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Speaker 1: UK for being a crisp, a potato crisp that is

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Speaker 1: not like I think it's potato. So it's not just

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Speaker 1: me saying that. I'm also not saying that they're not

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Speaker 1: French yet. First, I'm just saying that they are made

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Speaker 1: from a slurry. But yeah, comparing them to communion wafers

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Speaker 1: not quite fair that the food that is best compared

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Speaker 1: to communion wafers are those uh cream cones. Oh like

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Speaker 1: sugar sugar, the sugar ice cream cones, which are not sweet.

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Speaker 1: They're just made of communion wafer. For some reason, I

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Speaker 1: feel like they are from an era before we figured

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Speaker 1: out how to You know, if and if I were

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Speaker 1: to ever believe in Christianity or follow Christianity, I would

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Speaker 1: hope that the savior, Jesus Christ would want his body

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Speaker 1: to have a little more seasoning than that if you're

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Speaker 1: accept the Eucharist. But yeah, that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 1: I do just sprinkle a little barbecue seasoning on it,

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Speaker 1: like the barbecue potato. The Friests like, give me the

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Speaker 1: one second little the cheeto dust. I think you can

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Speaker 1: buy Sweet h Mark. Mr Mark Zuckerberg big fans. Not

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Speaker 1: We're not big fans of his. He's a big fan

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Speaker 1: of Sweet Baby Raise. Anyways, Miles, we are thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat by another one of

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Speaker 1: these first rate guests on our second rate podcast. She

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Speaker 1: has a radio and podcast producer, writer, editor, journalist, and

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Speaker 1: filmmaker who has worked for p R I, K, C, RW,

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Speaker 1: Audible as well as Israel's Wilder News. Her reporting and

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Speaker 1: commentary has appeared in The Washington Post, Might Have Heard

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Speaker 1: Of That, BBC World Service, Vice, and the South African

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Speaker 1: Daily Maverick, among many others, and her documentary film Swing

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Speaker 1: Country recently premiered at the Wisconsin Film Festival. She's also

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Speaker 1: a twenty seventeen Jaws Emerging Journalist Fellow, which I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: means she broke some stories about the Amityville mayor refusing

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Speaker 1: to close the beaches during a string of brutal shark attacks.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome the brilliant and talented Yeah even oh I

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Speaker 1: we intro Hey. It's it's nice that we have to

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Speaker 1: let people know sometimes on this sad little show we

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Speaker 1: have accomplished. Distinguished guests Song so thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming by. Oh yeah, thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I never had a communion wafer before, but

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Speaker 1: you made it sound really good. It's so flavorless, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's really I remember, you know, the first time I

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Speaker 1: pretended to like take communion, like you know, you have

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Speaker 1: to be confirmed usually, you know, like or you have

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Speaker 1: to have your first communion, yeah, because you all the

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Speaker 1: pressure when you're like in a religious school, they're like,

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Speaker 1: what you're not You're not like everybody else. I'm like

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Speaker 1: with my Asian mom and black dad, who was almost

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Speaker 1: like an atheist, I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I love this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me hit that way for a real cant stop. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Your New York right, I am, Yeah, I'm in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: How's the other is it? Are we getting fall? New

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Speaker 1: York weather? Whether did you all get a storm too? Recently?

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Speaker 1: We got a storm a couple of days ago. I

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Speaker 1: think like because of that storm that no one was

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Speaker 1: you know, very We were talking about it all day

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Speaker 1: I think it happened overnight, And honestly, I don't think

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Speaker 1: it did as you know, nearly any damage. So it

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Speaker 1: was fine. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying the colder weather for

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Speaker 1: the next you know, for the next month or so.

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Speaker 1: Then it will be fully cold. Yeah, I remember this

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Speaker 1: recent place I lived that has weather. But like we

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Speaker 1: we had a really big almost like blizzard. They were

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Speaker 1: It got stuck like wild driving. But then the rest

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Speaker 1: I've seen the I've seen the projections. I think New

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Speaker 1: hundred years and we will have completely changed it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you'll be allowed to see it. But yeah, alright, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit

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Speaker 1: better in a moment. First, we are going to tell

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Speaker 1: our listeners a couple of the things that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about, I was a capacity for

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Speaker 1: empathy for people who don't believe in science. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about whether the Department of Justice is actually

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Speaker 1: going to do something about redlining. Please. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about a billionaire and amateur architect who is designing prison

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Speaker 1: or dorms like prison, and we will of course talk

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Speaker 1: about the squid game, moral panic that is coming for

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Speaker 1: all of us, all of that plenty more, But first

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Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guest, Yeah, what is

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Speaker 1: something from your search history? Oh? So I moved a

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Speaker 1: couple of months ago to a new apartment and I realized,

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Speaker 1: like a week ago that my favorite spot for reading

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Speaker 1: do you know when you have like a product in mind,

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Speaker 1: But I have this thing in my mind that it's

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Speaker 1: had like dozens or hundreds of Google search as just

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Speaker 1: Eventually I settled on something like clip on light with

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Speaker 1: As you're saying that, I'm like, goose neck is one

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Speaker 1: said as now, and they're like, who's your doctor, Like

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Speaker 1: that's illegal, doctor can't attest to this. I'm just saying

425
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: that's my sort of frequency on vibing at right now

426
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: because I don't want the vaccine. Hippa hippa. Yeah, And

427
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Speaker 1: I mean it's like a very I think what's interesting

428
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Speaker 1: about this building too, is like it's getting like a

429
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: lot of opposition from all sides. Like there are democrats,

430
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: business owners, whore Like what is this like this is

431
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: this is actually gonna put people at risk, and also

432
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: it's creating penalties for employers who are trying to follow mandates,

433
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Speaker 1: like because they're gonna because they also want people who

434
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Speaker 1: are gonna fire them for not getting vaccinated to pay

435
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: more into the unemployment fund as a result of this.

436
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: So they're like, this isn't really sustainable in any way,

437
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: like if anything, you're using like financial threats to get

438
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Speaker 1: people to ignore a mandate. And then on the anti

439
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: mask vack side, they're like, this doesn't go far enough.

440
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: They should they should throw the employers in prison if

441
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Speaker 1: they mandate a vaccine, and also like they should also

442
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: this this really just needs to be an all out banned.

443
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Speaker 1: So it's a very sticky situation and you probably have

444
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Speaker 1: to do some investigation into any of these, like unemployment

445
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: claims to see what it's about, which I don't know

446
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: what the situation right now, but you know, for a

447
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: while there was such a crazy backlog with unemployment in

448
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: so many states, so it's really creating so much more work.

449
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: It seems like I don't even I don't know how

450
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Speaker 1: in practice you really approach this kind of I mean,

451
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Speaker 1: like firing because yeah, right, and I think that's what

452
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: many people who are looking at this like this doesn't

453
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 1: this just sounds like a thing you're saying to help

454
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: anti factors feel better, Like we don't even know legislatively,

455
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Like it's not very clear how this works and is

456
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: going to not turn into like a runaway train that

457
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: ends up just like bankrupting businesses. If people just start

458
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: being like if we all quit a mass, then they're

459
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Speaker 1: gonna have to force to pay into the unemployment and

460
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: then what but the irony is just kind of next

461
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: level like that you have people who don't feel beholden

462
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: to anyone also have the expectation of financial support for

463
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: their selfishness, right, Yeah, everybody else should pay for my

464
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: ability to disregard their safety. Maybe we fire them and

465
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: hire them to work from home and help with the

466
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: backlog of people who need unemployment support. That way, they

467
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: don't get unemployment. They just I mean, that is the

468
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: problem in America is that, you know, ever since Reagan,

469
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: they've just been like, bureaucracy has been seen as a

470
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: bad thing, so there aren't enough bureaucrats. Instead, they anybody

471
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: who wants financial support from the government needs to become

472
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Speaker 1: a full time bureaucrat just to fucking juggle it. So

473
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's what we can do, send all those

474
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Speaker 1: people to the salt minds of helping people get paid unemployment.

475
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Speaker 1: I was so just as an immigrant in this country.

476
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Speaker 1: I want to remind people that, Like people are like, oh,

477
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Speaker 1: why they're so you know, vaccine mandates. Why is the

478
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: US so first of all about them? Like people who

479
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: weren't born here always had to get a lot of

480
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Speaker 1: vaccines to just be here, Like that was always and

481
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: they added they added COVID nineteen as well. So it's

482
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: like if you come to this country you're trying to

483
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: get a visa or when you do a green card,

484
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: like I come from a pretty i mean, Israel is

485
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: pretty big on vaccines, and I still had to do

486
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of vaccines and like otherwise I just I

487
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: couldn't be here. So it's not like the US all

488
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden it's like, oh, let's enforce vaccines. They're

489
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: always enforcing them to people who are not citizens. Oh wow,

490
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: Like so you've been here for a while and they

491
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Speaker 1: just you were still forced to get the vaccine like

492
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: right away, Well no, I'm yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, no,

493
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Speaker 1: I I was a little I was a vaccine hesitant

494
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: for only because I couldn't find my record, like my

495
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: vaccine record from when I was a baby, and or

496
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: my mom couldn't find it because I never held itself.

497
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Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to get like

498
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Speaker 1: a second vaccine for something that I'm already vaccine it for.

499
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: But there was really no like wiggle room, you know,

500
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Speaker 1: so like when you come to the country, you have

501
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Speaker 1: to get a series of vaccine that was on a

502
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: student visa, and then when I got a green card

503
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: like six years after, there's like another long list of vaccines.

504
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: And if I couldn't prove that I have them through

505
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: antibodies of vaccine records, I had to get a bunch

506
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: of them again. So yeah, and that's always the process.

507
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: So and now they added COVID nineteen, which makes sense.

508
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: But just to like anyone that thought that, like, oh,

509
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: everyone here has the freedom to not get vaccinated if

510
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: they want to, that's no, it's just far citizens, right, yea,

511
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: But yet here they are there their freedoms are being

512
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: infringed upon. Uh. Just it's amazing how that one word

513
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: is just like a catch all to just say, like, no,

514
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Speaker 1: the law is negated because freedom, human decncy negated because

515
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Speaker 1: freedom interesting. All right, let's talk about redlining. You know

516
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Speaker 1: it was it was I feel like most people who

517
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: listen to the show would know what redlining is. But

518
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: it was the you know, racist practice of making it's

519
00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: so that people of color, black households, Hispanic household could

520
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: not get loans for homes to be couldn't become homeowners,

521
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: and therefore couldn't grow their wealth. Quite literally drawing red

522
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: lines on a map where where their communities of color

523
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: and banks are like, don't invest there, don't allow people

524
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: to get a loan, We're not interested in those. And yes,

525
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: like you're saying, a racist practice that was technically outlawed

526
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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight, but the negative impacts we still

527
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: feel them today. I mean, yeah, just yeah, quickly. I mean,

528
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: we've talked about it before, but it still happens informally

529
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Speaker 1: in the real estate market, with landlords and real estate

530
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: agents claiming there aren't apartments available to families of color,

531
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Speaker 1: or not showing them houses and neighborhoods where they believe

532
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: or where they claim that a family of color would

533
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: lower the property value that's a like piece of accepted

534
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Speaker 1: wisdom in the real estate industry in a lot of places.

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Speaker 1: That's actually a thing that real estate agents and landlords

536
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: have been caught on camera and on audio wing in

537
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: the last few years in you know, backwater ship holds

538
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: like I don't know, New York City and New Jersey,

539
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: you know l a like the yeah, it's just everywhere. Yeah,

540
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Speaker 1: I mean and and and as you look like you're

541
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Speaker 1: saying right, home ownership, like in America, the path to

542
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Speaker 1: wealth accumulation is typically inter intersecting with property ownership, with

543
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Speaker 1: owning your home. And when you look at at the

544
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: start of nearly seventy percent of white households own their

545
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Speaker 1: homes compared tot of black households, or percent of Hispanic households,

546
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Speaker 1: and or even fifty percent of other racial minority households.

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Speaker 1: So the d o J has announced that it's going

548
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Speaker 1: to be tackling this problem with a new initiative called

549
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Speaker 1: the Combating Redlining Initiative and taking many approaches to sort

550
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Speaker 1: of try and create some more financial equality, like strengthening

551
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: their working relationships with financial agencies to make sure like

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Speaker 1: redlining like they're like, oh, like we can identify what's

553
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: happening here and referred to authorities also increasing coordination with

554
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: state officials to weed out potential fair lending violations. But

555
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like this, while this

556
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: is a great thing, I think one of the biggest

557
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: missing like facts that isn't talked about enough when you

558
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: talk about like the income inequality or the just the

559
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: huge differences that we have in financial outcomes for white

560
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: Americans as it relates to more specifically to Black Americans,

561
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: but minorities as a whole, but also talk about Black Americans.

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Speaker 1: This this relates specifically to chattel slavery. Is that you know,

563
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Speaker 1: there have just been generations of black people who have

564
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Speaker 1: been kept from attaining wealth. And this has been happening

565
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: again since chattel slavery, and it's a huge contributing factor

566
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Speaker 1: to the inequality we see today. Just like if you

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Speaker 1: zoom out right and you look at the value of

568
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Speaker 1: slaves slavery, the four million slaves that were in the

569
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Speaker 1: US in eighteen sixty were worth about four billion dollars

570
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Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty time in today's money, that would be

571
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Speaker 1: close to forty two trillion dollars. That's what the slaves

572
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: were worth, okay, and then if you zoom out a

573
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Speaker 1: little bit more and you say, well, what about the

574
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Speaker 1: wages that potentially were kept or could have been paid

575
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Speaker 1: to slaves, that comes out to about twenty point three

576
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Speaker 1: trillion dollars in wages if there if slavery was a

577
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: wage wage kig rather than fucking slavery. So you're thinking,

578
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Speaker 1: these are massive amounts of money that we're taken off

579
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Speaker 1: the backs of the slave labor and now just put

580
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Speaker 1: into all kinds of communities in the United States. You

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Speaker 1: also look at the Homestead Act, where people were given

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Speaker 1: houses that were basically taken from Native Americans. That was

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00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: that was mostly for white people. They say about, you know,

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Speaker 1: forty eight million people in the United States benefit from

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Speaker 1: the Homestead Act and probably unbeknownst to them. And this

586
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: is sort of the table that Black Americans were given

587
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: a seat at, and that's the gap that you know,

588
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: black people have had to overcome. And when you look

589
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: at how redlining took another opportunity for upwards social mobility away,

590
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: it becomes truly staggering as it relates to redlining in

591
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Speaker 1: like the fifties and sixties, though, like this is when

592
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: most people's grandparents were buying homes and things like that.

593
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: Percentages of house ownership went from thirty to six but

594
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: in that time, percent of the home loans were given

595
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: to white families. So at every stop you're like, there's

596
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: so much shipped to overcome, and when you look at

597
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: this redlining task force and like this is great, but

598
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: also when you really think about what you are trying

599
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Speaker 1: to how you're trying to rebalance the scales, it's such

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Speaker 1: a minuscule drop in the bucket, especially when you think

601
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Speaker 1: about the you know, forty acres and a mule that

602
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: were promised to newly freed slaves as well, and how

603
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: the government renect on that. And there's that's also trillions

604
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: of dollars in wealth that completely could have been in

605
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: the hands of black families. Yeah, so it's just a

606
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Speaker 1: very interesting, interesting thing tom all over as like the

607
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Speaker 1: headline is merely talking about redlining without like come on,

608
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: give people like really the foundational understanding of like why

609
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: this needs to be addressed. So what are they gonna do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, in this instance, they're just saying we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do better about being taking uh, you know, discriminatory lending

612
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Speaker 1: practices seriously. But then that's what I'm saying, Like I

613
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: really want people to have the perspective of, like, well,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. Imagine if descendants of slaves were actually got,

615
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: were given some kind of reparations, you know, and what

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00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: that actually means to create some level of equity, because

617
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: at every turn, there was just these moments where the

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00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: United States government were able to just sort of reinforce

619
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Speaker 1: this cast system very cynically. And now we're only getting

620
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Speaker 1: to a point where like we're talking about just the

621
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Speaker 1: a drip in the bucket. Yeah, the forty two trillion,

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Speaker 1: Like just to think about that, that forty two trillion

623
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Speaker 1: dollars worth of you know, value that was stolen from

624
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Speaker 1: black slaves, and that was used by the families, the

625
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: plantation owners, the to become extremely wealthy, and that money

626
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: is still in those communities like to this day. Like

627
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: that's that it's it's a thing that's so foreign to Americans,

628
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Speaker 1: Like they're I'm reading this book the History of Debt

629
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Speaker 1: the First five thousand Years, and the author like uses

630
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: this phrase of person who acts like he doesn't owe

631
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: anything to anyone, and he's like would use it as

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00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: like a self evidently like a thing that's stupid or

633
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: unvirtuous people would do. And like that's not a saying

634
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: in America because that that's almost like the American ideal.

635
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Like when you google that in America, they're like, you

636
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: don't know, shipped to anybody, Like there it's just people

637
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: reinforcing that. And it's the the idea that you, you know,

638
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Speaker 1: we rewrite people's life stories for them, or only listen

639
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Speaker 1: to the parts of their life stories that involved them

640
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Speaker 1: pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. We you know, this

641
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: is what that Malcolm Glabwell book Outliers was about, is

642
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Speaker 1: like people who have advantages, they get their have their

643
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: stories rewritten. So instead of focusing on the fact that

644
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: Bill Gates was like uniquely wealthy and in a school

645
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: system that had the only computers where he could have

646
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: learned programming as a kid, his story gets retold so

647
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Speaker 1: that he is a college dropout who like made it

648
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Speaker 1: from nothing to becoming Bill Gates. And it's just like

649
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: so outside of the American ideal to think about the

650
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Speaker 1: fact that you are the result of a number of

651
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, ancestors, people before you who got breaks or

652
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: were robbing people and like, that's just so hard for

653
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Speaker 1: Americans to wrap their head around. I think specifically because

654
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Speaker 1: we are founded on a country of you know, slavery,

655
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Speaker 1: and so it's a thing, it's a memory that they

656
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Speaker 1: specifically don't want to have, and therefore we've built our

657
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Speaker 1: entire ethos around the idea that we're all just starting

658
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: from a blank slate. Yeah, America started in nineteen twenty, right,

659
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They don't look about anything

660
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Speaker 1: before that. And I mean, and I think that's why

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00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: we're seeing just all of the panic around like educating

662
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Speaker 1: people and what it means to teach history in this country,

663
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: because it's it's about confronting the ugly ship that is

664
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Speaker 1: part of your history that you have to learn from

665
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Speaker 1: to be able to move past it, to grow past it.

666
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: If you're gonna always make yourself ignorant of those things,

667
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Speaker 1: then you know, like that saying goes, you're doomed to

668
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Speaker 1: repeat it. And we are continuing too and still shrugging,

669
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Speaker 1: like shrugging, are like what's going on? How do we

670
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Speaker 1: still huh? Yeah? You really helped me organized thoughts about

671
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Speaker 1: just always feeling like this is a more historical culture man,

672
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Speaker 1: and I live here. But I will say about reparations

673
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: that also from like a foreign perspective, it's really not

674
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Speaker 1: a radical proposal when you are and when you have

675
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Speaker 1: family who has been through the Holocaust, because you know,

676
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Speaker 1: my grandma would get reparations until she passed last year

677
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: from Germany. So it's like, yeah, it happens. Yeah, it's

678
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: not it's not radical, it's not unheard of. It it's

679
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: just radical to the very like white supremacists sort of

680
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: mindset of of Americans. And yeah, because you have to

681
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: for that to happen, you have to acknowledge that the

682
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: United States is where it's at because of chattel slavery,

683
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Speaker 1: Like the amounts of wealth untold, the like no one

684
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: even came close to the amount of money that was

685
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Speaker 1: being made with slaves in the United States. Like the

686
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: South was like the most profitable tiny piece of land

687
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Speaker 1: during that time because of all the slavery. And I

688
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: think that's a huge part that you know, it's like

689
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Speaker 1: just like with anything with people like what's my white privilege,

690
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: like more than that American privilege or the foundation financially

691
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: that this whole thing is set up on is so

692
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Speaker 1: fucking ugly. But again, it's easier to just say like, yeah,

693
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Speaker 1: I was just like a couple of people were doing it.

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Speaker 1: It's not really like the main engine financial engine of

695
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Speaker 1: the country when it's exactly what it was. So it

696
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: sounds like this test force is not going to try

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Speaker 1: to necessarily deal with the sins of the past, but

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Speaker 1: more like, tuckle, what is still happening, like, what's actively

699
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: happening now with lenders? Is that is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what it is. Yeah, exactly, like this

701
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: is what we can do now. But it's like one

702
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: of these things where it's like somewhat the damage is

703
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: so significant from everything else preceding it that it just

704
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: feels it's really bad faith gesture to not truly observe

705
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: that and say, wow, that's a lot of money that

706
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: is owed to these people. Yeah, because we basically just

707
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: brought them over in bondage and extracted every last drop

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00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: of value from these people's bodies. Yeah. We have heard

709
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: a story last week about how one of the guys

710
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Speaker 1: running for bridging a governor the Republican not not surprisingly,

711
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: helped a woman who like was outraged that her high

712
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Speaker 1: school age some was being asked to read Tony Morrison's

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Speaker 1: bit loved and like she was the one making the

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Speaker 1: ad about it. She was the one who she didn't

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Speaker 1: say what the book was, but acted like that was

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00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: pornography or like some sort of just violent act of

717
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Speaker 1: violence when it's actually a Pulitzer Prize winning like one

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Speaker 1: of the one of the great novels events based on

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Speaker 1: actual events. But that's violence to the American psyche for

720
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Speaker 1: the reasons that we're talking about in this story. All right,

721
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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

722
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: talk about other stuff. And we're back. And there's a

723
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Speaker 1: long tradition of rich people thinking that they are good

724
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: at the thing, not the thing that made them like

725
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: famous or rich in the first place, but like something

726
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: else that they're just gonna like try their hand at.

727
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: So just the soothing confidence that comes along with amassing

728
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: just obscene amounts of money. Enough people just tell you

729
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: you're great enough times, and you're like, well, I'm probably

730
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: great at this thing too that I haven't ship. That sucks, man.

731
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Speaker 1: It's you know the bubble episode of thirty Rock where

732
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Speaker 1: John Hamm is so good looking that he thinks he's

733
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Speaker 1: like a master chef, and he's like here, try my

734
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: orange Gatorade chicken, and Liz is like, oh my god,

735
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: this fucking sucks man, but I can't tell him because

736
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: he's so good looking. Like it's that but times a billion,

737
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: because it's billionaires and you know, everybody just kids. They're

738
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Speaker 1: asked NonStop. And our latest entertaining example of this and

739
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: in the United States, is Warren Buffett's right hand man,

740
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Charles Munger, who is offering to build a building for

741
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Speaker 1: a university, but only if he gets to design it badly.

742
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm an architect, and I'm a billionaire.

743
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: If you want this money, I have to design it.

744
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: It's essentially the agreement that he has with UC Santa Barbara.

745
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: If you've been at UC Santa Barbara's campus, it's fucking beautiful.

746
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: It's like on a it's like on a seat side

747
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: bluff and ship, and you're like, God, why didn't I

748
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: go here? It's homesick and I just wanted to stay

749
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Speaker 1: in l A. But anyway, he's apparently going to be

750
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Speaker 1: contributing one point five billion dollars to build this fucking

751
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: dorm massive dorm complex or building. And his whole thing is,

752
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: you know, this is in his first foray into the

753
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: dorm design either, you know, because obviously wealthy people giving

754
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: money to a college and being like, nayme, building after

755
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: me is normal, Like that's just how business has done.

756
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: So he's done it at Stanford and also the University

757
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: of Michigan, and again he was saying like, I've got

758
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: these ideas, man these architectural ideas that I want to

759
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: see manifest into these buildings that I will pay for.

760
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: And the Stanford residents they seem pretty straightforward. Apparently they're

761
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: they're described as normal apartments, the Michigan Home and the

762
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: one at UCSB. Most people describe that as quote most

763
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Speaker 1: bedrooms don't have windows, and you're like, wait, hold on,

764
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Speaker 1: I thought you had a very very like what was

765
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: your vision here? And the monger himself, he says that

766
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: these buildings quote have a focus on providing ample interactive

767
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: spaces for students, minimizing costs by maximizing the number of

768
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: beds on a given sight, employing the concept of repeatability

769
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Speaker 1: over right. And if you look down at a very

770
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: crude sketch of what this building looks like, it looks

771
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: like a fucking prison. You're like, these just look like

772
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: a bunch of cells organized around like the central corridor.

773
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: We're failing to see what is truly transformative about this design,

774
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: especially as it has no windows either the I mean,

775
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: don't take our expert architectural opinion on this. The architectural

776
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: expert who was in charge of like consulting on you

777
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: see SPS projects, Dennis McFadden, resigned from the university's review

778
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: committee and in his resignation letters noted that because of

779
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: Mongers project, he resigned and noted that this building would

780
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Speaker 1: qualify as the eighth densest neighborhood on the planet, falling

781
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: just short of the Hakka, Bangladesh. Yeah so so, but

782
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: how did he get into business of designing dorm buildings?

783
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: Like what inspired him? It sounds like if you if

784
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: you have the money to be like I'm going to

785
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: design this, you might it was like a different like

786
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: in movie theater or like an exciting right. I think

787
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: he truly believes that he has this like vision that

788
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: is going to shift the paradigm of design, because again

789
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: I think as it relates to his wealth, you're the

790
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: right hand of like Warren Buffett, the Wizard of Omaha,

791
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: and I'm sure in your mind, you're starting to get

792
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: to be like, man, like I can't lose. I haven't

793
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: made a bad financial decision in like eight straight years

794
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: because the building design, because he's probably doing the thing

795
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: that all Americans get to do when they get rich

796
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: at which is rewrite their story so that every one

797
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: of those financial victories was like an underdog story that

798
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: they just like pulled out because they're a genius, instead

799
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, you started out working for Warren Buffett,

800
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: built up enough wealth that you were able to take

801
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: advantage of a rigged system over and over again. But

802
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: and also yeah, desperate, the desperation of you know, fight

803
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: like educational and stitutions because they're like these on these

804
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: ridiculous profit models where they're like they're courting money to

805
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, we got to improve this. I guess

806
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: we'll let this fucking idiot be like, hey man, I

807
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: got these ideas. I'm the next book in Frank Lloyd, Right,

808
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: I got a billion dollars. You're like great. And then

809
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: as back to that thing about McFadden, the architect that resigned,

810
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: he was just like very just straightforward points out too,

811
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: He's like also the university provided no justification for ignoring

812
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: well established research that natural light and views of the

813
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: outdoors are vital to healthy living. But they were just

814
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: saying like, well, the thing is we're bound to Monger's

815
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: vision because that's the agreement. And this is in America.

816
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: The argument against taxing billionaires is they do so much

817
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: good though, like when they donate like the Lango Medical

818
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: Center Ken Lango and the guy behind home Depot, like

819
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: he did that and just because he also ran three

820
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: day of his life just because he was racist and

821
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: demands that we let him do every third open heart

822
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Speaker 1: surgery until he gets good at it has nothing to

823
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: do with the you know, it's like it's free money, man,

824
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: free money. But I just saw Patch Adams. Man. I

825
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: could do that. Man, I could be a pediatrician. I

826
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: can get I can get laughs from kids. Do I

827
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Speaker 1: have any medical train No? But I have a billion

828
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Speaker 1: dollars and you're funding is dire, So what's it going

829
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: to be? It is really like what just I don't

830
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Speaker 1: know that that's something that we should like do a

831
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Speaker 1: whole series on. Is it's just like people thinking that

832
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: their skills at one thing will translate to something else,

833
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: and just how the Dunning Krueger cast. Yeah, it almost

834
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: never ever becomes like somebody show on Twitter tagging in

835
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Speaker 1: the video of DJ Khaled playing a guitar that he

836
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: did from the Bob Marley thing, and they're like, Yo,

837
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: what's your take on this? And I looked at dude,

838
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: DJ Kaled up play a fucking guitar and he's like, Yo,

839
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Gang gang Gang Gang Gang, Like

840
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: no chrd nothing, it's out of tune. He's just like

841
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: open strumming, but then like half touching the threats and

842
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: he was acting like he was fucking like Bunny Whayler

843
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: or some ship, you know what I mean, Like, what

844
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: the funk? This man is dead ass serious, looking to

845
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: the camera like he's given people the performance of his life.

846
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this Dunning Krueger guitar solo right here.

847
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: He truly again, he's like I can't lose when it

848
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: comes to music, even if I quite literally don't know

849
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: how to play this instrument. Also, like, at what point

850
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: in your life you're supposed to stop trying new things? Right,

851
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: at least enough to know to respect the outside opinion.

852
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: I feel like you could do a whole show and like,

853
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fascinated with the architecture in Dubai. And

854
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: like there's this one like YouTube channel where like like

855
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: city planners or architects just just stroying good bye, like

856
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: this place makes no fucking sense at all. Like they're like,

857
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: first of all, look at where this like just like

858
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: the most basic things they're pointing out. You're like, damn,

859
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: But again you're talking to people who are so fucking wealthy,

860
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: and their whole thing is like We're gonna have the

861
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: biggest sky piercing, fhallic building on Earth. I don't give

862
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: a shit about sustainability or building practices. Then you get

863
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: these like weird, half thought out places that are just

864
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: being like this thing is gonna be like just a

865
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: total disaster in a few years. Yeah, when my wife

866
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: was a medical school at Missoo, and it was around

867
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: the time that they were opening this new arena that

868
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: was gifted to them by the Waltons, you know, the

869
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: Walmart airs, and they named it after their daughter. I

870
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: forget what her name was, but like Cassidy Sports Arena,

871
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: and like right as they're about to open it, her

872
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: like somebody came out. She was like still like she

873
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: had graduated college two years before and somebody came out

874
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I wrote all her papers for her.

875
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: She just to write all her papers for her and

876
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: she didn't even go to Miszoo. So already it was like,

877
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: what the funk are Yalla? What? Yeah? It's wild man

878
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: d people had too much money, too much money. Yeah, yeah,

879
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: but god forbid, they actually just fucking pay their taxes

880
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: and we're able to know on the basketball arena after

881
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: my newly graduated daughter from a different school. Yeah, alright,

882
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about the squid game. Moral panic, I have

883
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: finished squid game. Miles, you have finished squid Game. We're

884
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: going to talk about it on a future episode. But

885
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: friendis like gang who are kind of muddling their way

886
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: through the next couple of days. We're gonna we're gonna

887
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: do a dive into our feelings on squid games. So

888
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't watched it. Sorry, Yeah, no, we're

889
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna hold it. We're gonna give them

890
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: fair warning, let them up. There's no a spoiler for

891
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: This is discussion of the show, and you you have

892
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: a basic understanding of the show, right, m Okay, No,

893
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't sorry, okay, do you know anything about people

894
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: have I don't know. I don't well, I know people

895
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: like it, right, and I think it at all for yeah,

896
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: many reasons. It's it's a very like, you know, violent

897
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: but poignant like critique on capitalism and things like that,

898
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: and just and I think because of the current tone

899
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: on Earth, it's just become the most popular show ever

900
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: that Netflix has had. And I think now and just

901
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: generally now because like you're saying, like, even you, as

902
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: someone who hasn't seen it, like you have an idea,

903
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: because there's just so many memes and articles that just

904
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: by osmosis, you probably have a general idea. So the

905
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: ultimate sign that it has become important in the culture

906
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: is that it has created a moral panic across the globe.

907
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: So people are up in arms, parents in particular, because

908
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: is there's evidence of kids imitating the games from the

909
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: show in real life, which would be a little bit

910
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: more concerning if they weren't all literally schoolyard games for

911
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: children like that. The point of the show is that

912
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: they make these contestants play schoolyard games for children and

913
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: the stakes are you died? But yeah, everywhere from Canada

914
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: to the UK to Australia. This is apparently considered a problem,

915
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: and it's really amazing that, like it's a it's really

916
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: having to bend over backwards to come up with a

917
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: reason to be offended by this show, right, Is it

918
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: because they're like I mean, because they I'm presuming they

919
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: don't have firearms like in the TV show. No, there's

920
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: just like playing the game. Like one kid came home

921
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: and like told their mom that, like people were saying

922
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: they were playing squid game games on the playground and

923
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: the mom was like terrified, But squid game games are

924
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: red light green light like and fucking mark. Like, it's

925
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: not it's games that I played in gym class, Like,

926
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: there's not like fashion a shift out of a popsicle

927
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: stick and buck fifty your classmate, Like, that's not a

928
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: screen game? What there was One example of Belgian school

929
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: issued a warning because a student said they were playing

930
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: the game and then punching each other, punching the person

931
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: who lost, which again not great, but again a thing

932
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: that all kids do like and have done since the

933
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: beginning of time. Elementary schools in New York State are

934
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: banning squid game costumes from their Halloween celebration because of

935
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: the violent message aligned with the costume which I I

936
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: dressed like. I talked about this on an episode last week.

937
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: I dressed as fucking like somebody who had been murdered

938
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: basically every day for every Halloween costume, like the characters

939
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: for movies. Well, here's the thing. I think, this is

940
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: the thing, right, that's a part of the American psyche.

941
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: You can't look at a soldier and think of foreign

942
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: policy and imperialism. You look at that and you go,

943
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: that's a job. That's an army guy. Yeah. But then

944
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: because I have no concept for these other things yet. Yeah,

945
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's just funny that with the squid game,

946
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: it's like the violence, I mean the like the other

947
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: meme that is was taking people by storm this Halloween

948
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: was a bunch of memes of young children hugging Michael Myers,

949
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: Like that was one of like, yeah, Michael Myers from Halloween.

950
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of viral videos of like adorable,

951
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: this kid is hugging Michael Myers, who, just to reiterate,

952
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: is only famous as a character who butcher knife teenagers

953
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: to death. Oh he's not a he's not a child

954
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: development specialists, right, And misunderstood preschool teacher. And to your

955
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: point about about soldiers, I you know, people are acting

956
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: like this is unprecedented that like adult culture, like adult

957
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: violent culture, would trickle down to children. I grew up

958
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: watching Rambo The Force of Freedom, which was a cartoon

959
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: in which like where the in which the protagonist was Rambo,

960
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: the character from R rated movies who like just murders

961
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: people where there's like a body count of thousands. So

962
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think I think this is a real

963
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: double standard where, you know, I think people would be

964
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: less concerned about this if all these things weren't attached

965
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: to a show that is a critique of late stage

966
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: capitalism that's pretty poignant, you know. Is it also because

967
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: it's not American? Maybe? Well yeah, I think probably look

968
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: yell with America, there's all I would always been on

969
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: the N phobia big time when whenever, if that's an option.

970
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think that's what's really interesting

971
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: is like like you're saying like there were kids who

972
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: like looked like they had like a fun getting sob

973
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: blade in their fucking head and they're like taking a

974
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: spelling test and like, oh that's cute, And that's what

975
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm really curious what exactly are they saying, like where's

976
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: the consistency if they're even able to articulate it, or

977
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: because on some level, I do also just count on

978
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: some school people to just be like not really know

979
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: what the show is about. They just heard like like,

980
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so violent, and then they's like

981
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: that's not good for kids, and then that being the

982
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: only reason without then taking the thought experiment further to

983
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: be like, I guess that Derek Chauvin costume was okay

984
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: from those other kids like yeah, and I mean this

985
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: is this is also like parents being outraged about something

986
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: that is popular, like is an age old tradition around

987
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: the world from comic books. There's like a gay panic

988
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: around comic books, video games, Dungeons and Dragons to the

989
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: works of Charles Dickens. Victorians worried that racy novels were

990
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: causing children to grow up too fast, I'm robbing them

991
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: of their childhood and it was you know, they just

992
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: wanted them to read the Bible and not right, Charles Dickens,

993
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: that was pretty violent, so exactly my Bible. I don't

994
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: know about the New test Oh yeah, yeah, it's oh

995
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: you gotta check out the New Testament if you like violence.

996
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: They're some freaky ship towards the end, real freaky ship

997
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: towards the end. But you know, I just let the

998
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: kids play, you know, just I remember my school they

999
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: tried to ban like west Side connection really yeah, because

1000
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: they're like but that's more I think racist too, that

1001
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: we don't understand doing black stuff, because I was famously

1002
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: reprimanded for throwing up west Side in a class photo.

1003
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: Oh right, front of everyone, tore up the picture, but

1004
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: front of God and everyone, front of God and everyone,

1005
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: And I say, you know what, God is a o

1006
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: G and he holds it down for the west Side.

1007
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: Uh well, yeah, it's couldn't such a pleasure having you. Yeah,

1008
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: and now I want to watch the show. I will

1009
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: watch them nice. Where can people find you and follow you? Well?

1010
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: As I said, I'm no longer on Instagram or Facebook,

1011
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: but I'm still on Twitter. It's the healthy food of

1012
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: social networks, right, Yeah, I'm just not very active, but

1013
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: I am still there. I'm at even or so it's

1014
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: just my name in a row. That's not a lot

1015
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: of ye even or out there. I don't think. Yeah,

1016
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: and is there a tweet or some other work of

1017
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying. Yeah, I well, I don't

1018
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: know I've been enjoying. But this tweet, it's really their

1019
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: responses to that tweet. It's someone I tweeted the other day.

1020
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: I think. I think this user is like eighteen according

1021
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: to their bio, and they tweeted I done to COVID

1022
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: tests and I'm negative, but I feel so ill and cold.

1023
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: WTF anyone else had this? And then everyone is just

1024
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: like just bashing her for like whatever happens a common cold,

1025
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: Like people think God that it exists, like r ip

1026
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: common cold, and it's really funny. It's just like eight

1027
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: hundred like cold tweets, and she's like, l O L.

1028
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: Didn't expect that reaction. I guess it is called like

1029
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of true. Like I remember the

1030
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: beginning of the pandemic that it was more like, you know,

1031
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: I would talk to my mom and I'm like, are

1032
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: you being careful? Because I would hear a cough and

1033
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: she's like people coughed before coffee just relaxed. But now

1034
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like I did the same thing.

1035
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: Like every time I feel slightly ill, I'm just like

1036
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: I have COVID. Yeah, it happens, miles. Where can people

1037
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: find you? What's the tweet you've been enjoying? Find me

1038
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Also the

1039
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: other show four twenty Day Fiance where we're talking ninety

1040
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: day fiance age with Sophia Alexandra. So come through with that, man.

1041
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: There's been so many good tweets. Where do I even begin?

1042
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: Let's start with this one. This is from at Nurse Chalks.

1043
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: C H O c s tweeted, I love irregular textures

1044
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: because there's a mutual understanding. But tweet us that it's

1045
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: okay to text back five days later with no bad vibes.

1046
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: That that's me, baby, It's not bad vibes. Relationship with

1047
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: my phone and I don't like using it all the time.

1048
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: And then another one from Udoya past guest at Udoya

1049
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: Underscore tweeted, the plural of kid cutty is kids cutty.

1050
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: So I just want to put that out there for everybody.

1051
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: All right, it's good to know a little grammar lesson.

1052
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: Let's see you can find me on Twitter, Jack Underscore, O'Brien,

1053
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: I was enjoying a lot of the Mark Zuckerberg, you

1054
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: know responses the let's see somebody tweeted, Ben Acker tweeted

1055
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: that on to do it and then attributed that to

1056
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah. Alex En tweeted a screen cap from

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Speaker 1: the Metaverse video and said, still thinking about when Mark

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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg said this, and then the close captioning takes a

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Speaker 1: look like he's saying, if you die in the metaverse,

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Speaker 1: you die in real life. And then John Merriman tweeted, Look,

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Speaker 1: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I

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Speaker 1: say things three times. I just like that. You can

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Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at daily Z like guys were

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Speaker 1: at the dailies like Geist on Instagram. We have Facebook

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Speaker 1: fan page. On our website dailies like guys dot com,

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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnote we link off

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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about today is episode

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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,

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Speaker 1: what song do we think people might enjoy today? Man?

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Speaker 1: I Uh, I messed up? You know I should have

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Speaker 1: I should have suggested this song before Halloween, but I

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Speaker 1: just want to go out on a on a spooky track.

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Speaker 1: This is you know, Friday the thirteen, a very spooky

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Speaker 1: track by the Latin rap god Vico. See people say

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Speaker 1: the father reggaeton, but this is an old school track.

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Speaker 1: I just love the production and the Spanish language rapping,

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Speaker 1: and it's talking about Jason and Ship and it's just dope.

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Speaker 1: This is like such a such a great retro texture sonically,

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Speaker 1: so let's go out on by Vico C. Alright, well,

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Speaker 1: That is gonna do it for us. But we're back

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Speaker 1: this afternoon to tell you what's trending and we will

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Speaker 1: talk to y'all then, bye bye bye