WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Resetting the Defense 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:04.480 The following. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.480 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.000 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.280 Cowboys. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.799 This he's Talking Cowboys, screaming live from. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.200 The Dallas Cowboys World. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.960 Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.880 Don't take burgers here, let's got taxis. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:27.440 Any Pat. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:34.879 And now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.760 and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:44.519 Welcome to Talking Cowboys. We are live from the s 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.040 WBC studio here at the Star in Frisco. We are 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:51.720 brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee, the official coffee. 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:52.600 Sponsored Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.400 We've got Patrick Walker, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam in 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.640 the back. Facika's in the back, but she's not. I'm Josh. 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.720 The Josh gi is a film school university holding it 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.280 down for Kyle Owens, who is covering the Senior Bowl 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:06.240 and Mobile Alabama. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:14.920 Yeah, Chris, Tommy, Kyle got Scott out there the mustache 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.479 himself cover Oh, Scott Stashi sco. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.360 Scott Purcell rocking the crazy mustache. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:22.959 Good for him. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:25.920 Man lo us to discuss on Talking Cowboys. It's been 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:27.800 a ten days since. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:28.959 Our last episode. Long time. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:31.720 We had a lot to discuss. Last time we were 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.320 on here, we didn't have a defensive coordinator, and now 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.600 we do, Fellas, we have a defensive coordinator to talk about. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.840 And guess what, young buck? It is a young buck. 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:47.320 Mm hmm, spring chicken freshman, fresh face, fresh freshman and 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:48.600 from a rival team. 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.040 No less man. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.000 So you made the Eagles lesser and you pick up 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.320 a young man, and then if he becomes a head coach, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:58.160 you also. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:58.880 Get draft picked. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.320 A lot not too shity, and I think people like 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:02.680 this guy. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.760 Guys, we have to talk about. Let's Shoty Cook. 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.320 Christian Parker defensive coordinator. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:07.560 Guys. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.160 Reactions to this Philly fans were struggling. At first, it 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.960 was no, please, don't take him, and then after we 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.000 hired him, it's like trying to be like us. Yeah, 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:22.680 then it sucks anyway, not that good. Cooper would be great. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.720 Shut your that shut your face. Okay, at the end 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.600 of the day, let's just put it in perspective. Yeah 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.200 reactions please, Yeah, so let's put in perspective. And I 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.639 should have I should have had a sign today. Oh, 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:36.840 I should have had a sign. This take does not 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:38.919 imply the Cowboys of going to the Super Bowl. I 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:40.960 should have had no because this is the Seahawks going 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:41.399 Super Bowl. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:42.400 Yeah, that's right. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:46.280 Tank was right, So yeah, but I will say yeah 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.160 and I like it, but he would say yes, Christian 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.640 Parker has a good bit to prove. This is his 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.920 first time in the seat as a defensive coordinator. 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:54.799 Congress to him. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.760 So congrats to him, thirty thirty four year old, fast 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:03.960 rising defensive mind who is responsible for the development of 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:05.400 guys such as Patrick Curtain. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.800 Heard of that guy before? Yeah, I've heard of Patrick. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.640 Hurt's pretty Is he a mvpism? Yeah, Hurt is pretty 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:12.079 damn good. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.440 And also after certain came the development of Cooper de 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.639 jen and Quinya Mitchell. Both of those guys got a 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.760 an All Pro not in twenty twenty five. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.919 It wasn't second team, was it? It was first team? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:27.280 sot pretty damn good. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.639 I said on that to say, Christian Parker, even though 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.640 he's only thirty four, he's already established a resume of 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.880 being able to develop cornerbacks into greatness. Now, does that 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.000 mean instantly that the Cowboys don't have to do any 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:42.600 work to get him the personnel he. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.080 Needs, No, Nona, not what that means at home? All right, they. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.120 Still need to do their personnel work free agency and 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.800 in the draft to get him guys, but it does 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.520 give you a lot of promise for a guy like 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.120 Savon Revel. Once he's completely healthy and he gets a 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.920 full off season under his belt, this will be now 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:02.000 a first off season healthy and under Christian Parker. 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.040 So this is a clean slate for a guy like 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:05.960 Savul Rebel. I like those words. Patrick. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.680 Now turning to Isaiah, what were your first reactions whenever 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.880 we signed Christian Parker to be our defensive coordinator. Didn't 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.080 know who he was. Tell you straight up, before the 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.720 coaching search, I had no idea who he. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:16.800 Was, had no idea who he was. 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.800 But after extensive research and tapping in with my resources, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.880 I've gained an understanding for who he is, a respect 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.760 and a high regard for what he's done. His climb 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.119 quickly ranks, Yep, quickly. That's something we were talking about. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:32.279 You know. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.640 Obviously I was in on some of the old school cats, 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:36.320 that the old ways, but I also said, if they 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:37.880 don't go that way, they need to grab one of 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:44.719 these young tender loins that that can connect with this generation, right, 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.520 Because that was one of the conversations we had. His 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.240 ability ability to connect with the guys in the locker room. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.240 We were talking about that from the beginning. No matter 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.159 who the candidate was, it needed to be a guy 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.159 that could relate to the players and coach them up 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:56.200 in that way and teach them. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.279 And everything that I've heard about this man is just 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.680 that right. Ability to connect, his ability to teach, the 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.599 ability to not only just teach, but those for it 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.479 to be receptive. So those guys are receiving what he's 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.520 teaching and excited about working with him. So I am 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.960 now excited going back and looking at some of the coverages. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:19.160 Love that, love that, I love everything about that. But 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.480 now you know, my you know, after the excitement kind 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.520 of wears off. Now you know, I look towards the support. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.080 I look towards the support and the staff. All. 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.440 Let me say this. I am. 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.479 You know, obviously it is. This person is of greater 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.560 age than I am. But I can still be proud 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.160 of somebody that's older than I Am proud of mister 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:45.279 double J. I am proud of Double J. I'm proud 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:46.120 of Stephen Jones. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.840 It sounds like they're changing their tune a little bit. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:53.479 It's not even just the tune, it is they're listening. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.760 They're listening. And when you're in a position of power 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.640 where you have the all mighty hand right and all 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:06.520 you know, they'll all all say the you can listen, right, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.719 or you can hear people, but you don't have to 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:09.320 listen to them. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:11.359 And you can't hear Jimmy. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:15.880 Yeah, you can't hear jim can I So I mean listening, yeah, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:24.960 cowboys exactly. But two, over this last year, we've seen 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:29.039 a change in the front office. Over this last year, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.960 we've seen those guys be more willing to stand on 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.440 business in regards to the people that they believe in 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.240 and people they don't believe in. We've seen them stand 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.560 on business in terms of going out and acquiring free agents. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.960 We've seen them stand on business in terms of making 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.880 trades and being more aggressive in that regard. And now 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:49.480 we're seeing them stand on business and change the ways 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.400 in which they have hired and all these things are 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.000 in are indicative to the fact that they have their 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.080 eyes open and they are humbling themselves to understand that 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:06.400 the old ways haven't worked and we have to adapt. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.400 Let me say this really quickly, though, I don't think 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.320 it was. It's not a night and day transition, because 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.360 they did start off last season doing something very interesting 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.720 in hiring Schottenheimer, which was not the sexy pick. It 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.720 was not the guy that was very unconventional for the Cowboys. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.520 But then they also hired Matt Eberflus to be your DC, 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.520 a known guy with head coaching experience. So this is 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.880 a project that they've done many times before. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:30.120 It didn't work out. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.160 So now, at least for me, it's not necessarily indicative 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:37.280 of the Joneses and the front office listening to That's 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.120 what I mean. It's like it is indicative of them 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.320 listening to what Shody has to say, because I think 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.000 they picked the right guy for sure. I think they 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:47.240 picked Shoddy as a difference maker for the culture and 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:48.480 for the Dallas Cowboys. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:48.600 As a whole. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.560 But now they gained his trust throughout this season. Obviously 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.840 ebraflues didn't work out, they accepted it. It's like, Okay, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.600 now we're onto our fourth, fourth DC in four years. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:05.440 So now the extensive exhaustive search that was taking place 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.200 for this DC, because we heard about all the names 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.040 that were brought to us over the several weeks that 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.960 the interviews were taking place. I mean, for me, like 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.800 we talked about, the most obvious at the time was 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.720 Arizona coordinator Jonathan Jonathan Cannon Gannon, who was head coach 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.040 for the Cardinals over the last few seasons. That was 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.400 the most obvious because it's like, oh, yes, head coaching experience, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.440 there's some relations there that Okay, there it is. There's 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:35.679 the pick, right, except things are different now because of 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:38.760 the trust that they have and shoddy And it wasn't 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.880 just Jonathan Gannon or else that would have been it, right, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.880 It would have been maybe two or three guys like that, 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.160 and then it's like, okay, let's go with Gannon. It 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.560 was an extensive search and exhaustive search. That word has 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.960 been used quite a bit by the front office, by 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.920 Will McClay, by Stephen Jones, and it's accurate. And there 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.760 was a lot of names flying around and guys that 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.920 you wouldn't expect the Dallas Cowboys to interview in a 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.000 position like this prior to this offseason. 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.320 So I like that. 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.040 I'm kind of interested now in what type of DC 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.959 Christian Parker will be because now he's as a play caller, 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:10.959 because this is his first time calling plays, and he's 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.280 coming from the Fangio tree, which has proven to be 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:14.400 pretty successful. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:14.959 Blue print. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.560 It's a blueprint. So I ask you, guys, teacher has 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.200 been brought up a lot. What kind of DC will 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:23.080 Christian Parker be? 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.040 I think he's gonna be a single high safety, low 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:28.960 the box. You're not going to run the ball on us, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.000 and we're gonna trust our defensive backs to be able 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:31.840 to cover your guys. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.400 That's what I foresee, and that's a Fangio defense. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.160 Yeah, too, high shell, light box, make the QB take 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.280 the checkdown on corners, can tackle, safeties, can rotate. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.400 That's basically what to that point kind of circling back, 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.040 because yes, that means you're going to ask a lot 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.080 of your cornerbacks in that single high safety a lot. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.079 That means that you, the DC and your position coaches 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.680 have to excel at teaching and developing, which means you 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.760 have to make sure all of the information that you're 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.760 giving forth is digestible and that you're connecting. Those two 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.920 things were severely lacking in the one year Eberflus era, 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:06.439 and they have to be capable, and they have to 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.800 be capable, So that goes back to what I said initially. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.720 Does this mean instantly that Christian Parker is going to 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.360 solve all the issues? No, that means we'll see if 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:16.480 he's the right guy for the job. But feels as 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.720 if he is. He is proven, he's a fast riser. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:21.880 But you have to get him the pieces. You have 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.679 to get him the personnel. If those two things jive up, 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.400 will and you get these position coaches lined up the 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.400 right way. We're seeing some real interesting names coming down 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.720 the pike as far as these interviews for these position coaches. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.920 And that's another thing you could see the Schottenheimer and 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.079 now the Christian Parker effect on let me build this 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.920 defensive staff as I see fit, and I can get 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:42.800 some things done for you. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:44.200 I totally agree with you. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.040 But one thing that I've heard, well, outstanding teacher, that 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.959 was a quote from Stephen Jones about one of he's 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.800 interviewing Christian Parker. That was one thing that they brought up. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.679 But another thing that they brought up in terms of 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.360 using the pieces that we currently have to make the 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:58.080 defense better. 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.200 At the end of the this is from Stephen Jones. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.000 At the end of the day, it was Christian's vision 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.280 the wrinkles he can bring that would fit the pieces 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.120 we have in place, And a few of those names 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.080 popped up. He's talking about Savone Revel, talked about Demarvin 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.200 overshown as pieces that are currently here that can work 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:19.079 with Christian Parker's vision. I'm I'm thankful to hear those 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:21.120 words because a lot of these players I think didn't 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.120 have a fair shake. I think Savon Revel's season was 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.600 tumultuous at best, but I think a lot of that 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.800 was the communication with with Kaylen Carson. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.760 I'm in greatest game. He just got yanked. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.520 But a name that wasn't brought up, a name that 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:39.720 wasn't brought up by the front office by Shaddy. You're 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.120 not really necessarily hearing that, but Shavone Revel was a 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:42.560 big one. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.400 That Yeah, And I think that really quickly, Melvin, If 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.160 you want to know, the biggest negative is the obvious, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.520 which is he's never called plays before. That's so that 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.720 means TBD on his ability to call plays, and that 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.880 also means they will be growing pains as he learns 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:00.840 how to grow plays and learns how to you know, 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:04.560 what plays. It's called situationally, So Melvin and all those wondering. Yes, 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.079 we're talking about the positives right now, but we cannot 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.240 stress enough the glaring I don't want to say negative, 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.280 but the glaring question mark, which is can he and 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.560 how quickly can he develop his play calling ability? So 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.760 that's obvious, but personnel is going to be key. What 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.240 I like what Steven said there, but the reporter and 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.760 me flips it the other way and says, Okay, Now 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.640 my question becomes, does that mean that you're not going 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:33.320 to be aggressive and acquiring new guys? Because I fear 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.680 having covered this team for so long that I love 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.480 the Shoddy effect right now. I love it twenty twenty 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.120 six and beyond. Not a good bit in twenty five, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.760 but not on the defensive side of the ball. Becausett 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.600 eber Fluss was the front office higher but now in 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.000 twenty twenty six we're getting. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:47.840 The full Shoddy effect. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.679 How much of that is going to continue to extend 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.000 to making trades like they did for George Pickens and 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.559 Quinn Williams and bringing in guys like Javonte Williams, who 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.880 was a risk at the time. And our good friend 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.240 Isaiah stanmbeckxtill on the table and said these guys are 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:02.960 going to be something for the Cowboys, and he was 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.840 absolutely right. But that level of aggression in free agency 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.360 needs to continue, if not ratchet up just a little 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.600 bit because as it stands, this defensive personnel keeping in mind, 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:15.920 you have a good bit of these guys going into 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.440 free agency right now as well, Donovan Wilson being one 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.040 that come to mind immediately. What's the development of mayor 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.680 Stofile now look like under Christian Parker for example? 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.040 So because they need fast linebackers and. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.600 Snail wise, you got you got some got some questions 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:29.600 that need to be answered. 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.800 One question that I wanted to ask at least is expectations. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.440 You kind of touched on it as well. I mean, 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.400 this is a first time play color as far as 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.400 a coordinator role for him goes. Would you say that 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.680 he's here to raise the floor or actually touch like 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.080 top five defenses in the league right now? Like, what 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.079 do you think the expectations. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.480 Are for year one? Yeah? What are yours? Just personally? 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.800 What are mid tier middle? Yeah that's not a little 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.679 take too. If you have a top tier offense. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.640 I mean yeah, if you if you get top sixteen, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.400 if your top six we said this right to talk 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:02.600 about if we say this on Talking Cowboy, Yeah, if 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.040 you're top sixteen, top fifteen and all all around defense 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:10.800 and you can be top five and takeaways, I'll tell 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:14.360 you yeah, I'll take it because to know, seas points 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:15.800 are a very valid point. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:17.120 There's gonna be growing pains. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.760 There's there's gonna be things that happen this year or 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.880 you're like, what in the entire heck was he doing? 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.600 Bro Like, you know, and it may cost you some games. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:26.400 You know, it may cost some games, but guess what, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.120 that's a part of growth. And when you hire somebody 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.000 who's thirty four years old, who's gonna be who's around 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:32.280 the age of some of the guys that you have 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.000 on the roster, there's gonna be growing pains. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:35.600 Right. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.000 He has to learn too, you know, there's some young 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.560 bucks that are on the team. There's some young coaches 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.440 that are now on a team. So he's gonna have 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.400 to learn, and you're gonna have to have grace while 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.720 he's learning. And that's a part of something that the 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.680 ownership group understands. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:48.120 Right. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.040 We understand the upside, the potential upside, but while there's 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.280 great upside, there's gonna be some some speed bumps along 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:54.560 the way. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.120 I feel like I love what Isaiah's saying here. Let's 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.320 timper the expectations. We love to high. There's a huge 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.200 question mark on what does his play calling look like. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:07.720 How quickly can he get past these growing pains, because 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:09.400 there will be growing pains. 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:10.800 Okay, I'm going to. 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.240 Give him a year one grace period in saying that 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.440 if he can land at number fifteen, if the defense 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.280 can come in ranked fifteenth overall, and the offense can 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.200 take strides over what they were last year, because they 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.920 were prolific last year, but they had pockets of times 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.360 where they went cold. First it was first halfs of games, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.320 and then it was second halves of games, and a 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.200 large part due to the defense, large part doe to 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:36.120 the defense. But if Shoty can learn from his growing pains, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.440 because Shoty had growing pains as well last year, if 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.720 the offense can become better, you give them a mid 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.160 tier defense in twenty twenty six, you're in the playoffs 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:49.280 and possibly at the divisional round, may be a conference 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.880 I don't know. But what I'm saying is a fifteenth 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.000 ranked defense I think is very possible. If they finished 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.760 building the staff out the right way, and they attack 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.440 free agency and the draft the right place way to 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.880 give Christian Parker the support and the personnel. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.440 I'm all about the position coaches right now. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.480 And speaking of there are a lot of names floating around, 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.000 a lot of interviews taking place, and they're trying to 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.600 fill out that defensive staff. When we come back, we 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.280 need to discuss those names. 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:16.920 Give me those names. 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:18.800 More talking Cowboys after these messages. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.600 How's it going. You see that Cowboys game? 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:22.960 Oh? 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.400 I watched. I've been seeing some good Thanks totally. They 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:27.200 have some talent. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.240 You have some great talent and they got some fight 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:31.440 hoping this is the year. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.920 Me too. Oh, I'm Cody. By the way, I'm Travis. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.800 Nice to meet you. Travis. Go, Cowboys Go. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.280 Cowboys make a new friend based solely on their shirt choice. 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:43.800 What would you like the power to do? 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.400 Bank of America the official bank of the Dallas Cowboys, 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:48.680 Copyright twenty twenty five. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.000 Bank of America Corporation. 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