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Speaker 1: Welcome to jag Zam this morning. I'm ka Nannie Stevens,

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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, John Osier with me today. We're coming to

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Speaker 1: you from the UK as the Jaguars at their first

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Speaker 1: game in the UK. They're gonna play again here at

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Speaker 1: Wembley Stadium on Sunday and no way to sugarcoat it

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Speaker 1: a very tough loss against the Bears on Sunday at

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Speaker 1: Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. We're gonna start out with our big

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Speaker 1: things and number one big thing was drop off. We

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Speaker 1: saw some drops. This team has dealt with drops throughout

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Speaker 1: the season from receivers. Trevor Lawrence talked about that issue

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Speaker 1: but said more than anything, this team needs to learn

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Speaker 1: how to bounce back.

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Speaker 2: It's a long game, you know. I think as a

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Speaker 2: team like we have to be we can't be so fragile.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's not going to go perfect

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Speaker 2: every week. You know, most weeks aren't going to go perfect.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to sometimes dig yourself out of

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Speaker 2: a hole. You know. We got down in the second

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Speaker 2: quarter and had an opportunity to come out a halftime

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Speaker 2: and didn't take advantage of it. So no, I don't

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Speaker 2: think that that was. I mean, obviously you look back,

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Speaker 2: every play matters, and we had plenty of mistakes, but no,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that that was a huge momentum shift.

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Speaker 2: Obviously you'd love to make it, but no, it's.

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Speaker 3: On all of us.

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Speaker 1: Brian, Trevor Lawrence was talking there specifically about Gabe Davis's

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Speaker 1: drop in the end zone on that first possession for

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars where things were going well, they had to

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Speaker 1: settle for a field goal went downhill from there. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it. I agree with Trevor in the sense it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was that play alone, but they

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Speaker 1: cannot find a way to bounce back when they make

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Speaker 1: some of these mistakes.

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Speaker 4: Well, he's been preaching what I've been saying. The lack

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Speaker 4: of resilience here is just crushing. I don't know whether

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Speaker 4: he said it or whether it was Doug that said

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Speaker 4: it yesterday after the game, John, but the fragility.

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Speaker 3: Is a problem, eh.

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Speaker 4: And I do think that that was a huge, huge play,

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Speaker 4: and I get it that there were many more plays there,

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Speaker 4: but I think I would have thrown my helmet if

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Speaker 4: I were Trevor in disgust because he put that ball.

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Speaker 4: If you recall John on first and goal from the

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Speaker 4: eight yard line, gave jumps off sides, so now it's

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Speaker 4: first and goal from the thirteen. They overcome it, and

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Speaker 4: on third down and goal, he puts the ball right

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Speaker 4: on the numbers and the fourteen million dollar wide receiver

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Speaker 4: drops it. So if Trevor's not gonna be disgusted at least,

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Speaker 4: I am, yeah, catch the ball right, give this team

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Speaker 4: a chance to win. The owner, the fans, everybody's out

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Speaker 4: there and put a lot of time and money and

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Speaker 4: effort into this thing. And the coach kept saying, well,

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Speaker 4: these guys have too well, prove it. Catch the damn ball.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it. It shouldn't have cost him the game, and

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Speaker 5: it didn't cost him the game. But you had a chance, right.

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Speaker 5: It's a league of plays and playmakers, and in that

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Speaker 5: moment you're in the red zone, you have a chance

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Speaker 5: to you know, you're not post to get a touchdown

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Speaker 5: on third and twelve in that situation.

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Speaker 3: That's hard.

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Speaker 5: But the quarterback puts the ball in the right spot.

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Speaker 5: And Trevor definitely was the one who said it, because

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Speaker 5: he said it over and over again in his pressure.

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Speaker 5: This team is fragile. I don't know why they're fragile,

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Speaker 5: but for the last twelve games, they haven't made that

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Speaker 5: play in that situation. And guys, didn't you get the

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Speaker 5: feeling when it hit seven to three because they didn't

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Speaker 5: you know, a the Bears were running it looked like that.

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Speaker 5: But they haven't shown at all in the last three

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Speaker 5: months of season like they're gonna come back from four

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Speaker 5: points down. And that shouldn't be that way, kay.

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Speaker 4: I know that Trevor says that his personality is not

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Speaker 4: such to get in guys faces, right, and he's got

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Speaker 4: to leave his own way. He's not gonna be able

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Speaker 4: to change himself too dramatically, at least he doesn't believe

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Speaker 4: that he can't. But until we stop hearing after the game, well,

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Speaker 4: they're not going to catch every ball, right, Guys are

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Speaker 4: going to make mistakes. Until we started hearing, you can't

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Speaker 4: make that mistake, right. The edge that this team is

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Speaker 4: not playing with that it needs to play with to

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Speaker 4: overcome the mistakes is never just going to magically materialize.

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Speaker 4: Somebody is going to have to pull it forward by

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Speaker 4: saying not throwing it again, right, I mean, someone's going

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Speaker 4: to have to take dramatic measures so that somebody goes, oh, hell,

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Speaker 4: I better not drop.

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Speaker 3: That ball again.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, if you say that, though, you'd have to say

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Speaker 1: it's about three or four people yesterday because it wasn't

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Speaker 1: just gave Davis. There was a lot of drops and

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Speaker 1: mistakes that we'll go to big thing number two, which

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Speaker 1: was too many. There were too many men on the

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Speaker 1: field at one point on a drive where they had

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Speaker 1: too many penalties three third downs that they could have

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Speaker 1: gotten themselves off the field. The defense had penalties. Doug

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Speaker 1: Peterson talked about that after the game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, those are you know, those are penalties that really hurt.

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Speaker 6: You know. Again, it's the guys are taking nothing away

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Speaker 6: from the players and they're playing hard doing they're they're

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Speaker 6: putting everything out on the field, you know, and we'll

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Speaker 6: just keep we keep talking, We'll just keep we keep

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Speaker 6: showing them. We'll uh you know, you know, we had

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Speaker 6: the twelve men on the field, and that's substitution change.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's something you know that's I put that

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Speaker 6: one on us as coaches, you know, that's on us.

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Speaker 6: You know, so everybody has a piece of this. You know.

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Speaker 6: It's not just it's not just coaching, not just player.

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Speaker 6: It's all of us.

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Speaker 1: John, there's a lot of frustration with this team right now.

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Speaker 1: This is the one that gets me. It's the penalties,

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Speaker 1: It's this, it's the self inflicted, undisciplined mistakes. Because yes

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Speaker 1: there'll be drops, yes they'll be misplays, but those things

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Speaker 1: are so there. Those should not ever be an issue.

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Speaker 1: Once you get past high school, you should not be

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Speaker 1: making the kind of mistakes that they're making in the

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Speaker 1: most crucial times.

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Speaker 5: Look, Doug just then showed it. He showed it on

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Speaker 5: the conference call. Uh, when he talked today, I don't

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Speaker 5: know what there is to say, and he'll be asked

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Speaker 5: a question, you know, kind of pause because he's trying

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Speaker 5: to figure out what he's supposed to say, and I

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Speaker 5: think the answer is, I don't know. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 5: at some point, the mistakes that are being made, how

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Speaker 5: do you coach not to hold in that situation? How

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Speaker 5: do you coach? You know, now, the twelve minute on

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Speaker 5: the field thing that is coaching, because the coaches are

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Speaker 5: telling the players which ones to go in. That's a

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Speaker 5: disorganization on the sidelines. That hasn't been a season long thing,

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Speaker 5: you know, but in that moment it happened. If I'm

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Speaker 5: the Bears on that drive, right, And Brian, you wrote

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Speaker 5: about it, I wrote about I wrote about it. You're

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Speaker 5: the game is teetering again, it's an eleven point game

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Speaker 5: and trayvone gets a big time sack and it gets

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Speaker 5: I'm laughing at that and saying, well, at some point

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Speaker 5: we're gonna go ahead and score, because we tried not

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Speaker 5: to five times and they gave them points there and

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Speaker 5: it it really, uh, it defined this season in the

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Speaker 5: lot of ways. And you know, at one in five

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Speaker 5: they're a bad team, and that was really bad football

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Speaker 5: for a drive in a drive in a game of

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Speaker 5: bad football, right.

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Speaker 3: Can you zoom in?

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Speaker 4: Just the look of disgusts on my face should say

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Speaker 4: it all. I can't add anything else except to say

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Speaker 4: that that was a moment where you could have remarkably,

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Speaker 4: even after the way that I'm so fired up to

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Speaker 4: that the second half started, right and you're down fourteen

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Speaker 4: to three, you're still in the game. Remarkably, you're down

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Speaker 4: twenty one to three, and Trevor gets you back to

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Speaker 4: and then Treyvon Walker comes through with a huge playing effect.

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Speaker 4: The Jaguars got two sacks in three plays from the

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Speaker 4: front four. If they had taken back control, yeah right,

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Speaker 4: they were right there. And then it's almost if you said,

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Speaker 4: you know what, this is what we do and that's

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Speaker 4: the problem. This is what this team does. It drops

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Speaker 4: the ball, it makes a mistake. I don't care who's

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Speaker 4: to blame on this, and I get it. Doug's gotta

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Speaker 4: be calm in that situation postgame. It doesn't do any good.

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Speaker 4: But I'm there better be a huge burning flame inside

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Speaker 4: somebody better hear the wrath of that when they get

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Speaker 4: back on the practice field because and I'm going to

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Speaker 4: talk about this a little bit later in Hot Takes

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Speaker 4: the way that they're coaching millennials these days, and Doug

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Speaker 4: referred to that the week of the Colts game when

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Speaker 4: he was asked about Tom Kauughlin style. Hell, it ain't

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Speaker 4: working here right now, So maybe there has to be

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Speaker 4: a little bit more edge from the coaches to get

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Speaker 4: the edge out of the players. I may be oversimplifying it,

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Speaker 4: but Johnny and you said it. You know what else

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Speaker 4: is he supposed to say. It isn't what he says now,

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Speaker 4: it's how he says that.

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Speaker 5: I think the problem with that drive it was awful.

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Speaker 5: It cost him the game, and it was it was

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Speaker 5: almost mind blowingly bad, and it didn't surprise him.

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Speaker 3: It didn't.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the most frustrating part.

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Speaker 5: I didn't expect that, and I don't like saying it,

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Speaker 5: but that's I wasn't surprised when the Bears scored on

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Speaker 5: it fits what they've done all year.

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Speaker 1: Our final big thing today is gonna be blame game,

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Speaker 1: because I think at this point it is not just

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Speaker 1: one issue. We've talked about this for weeks now. At

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Speaker 1: this point, it's it's front office, it's coaching, it's players

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Speaker 1: not making plays. Brian, when you look at this, how

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Speaker 1: when it feels like it's every little part of it,

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Speaker 1: how do you kind of fix it in when you're

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Speaker 1: in the midst of it.

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Speaker 4: It's Uh, when you're in the midst of it, you

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Speaker 4: you really have to dial your focus in here and

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Speaker 4: be laser focused on the Patriots because you can't go

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Speaker 4: back and change what happened yesterday and you can't start

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Speaker 4: thinking about the Packers and the Eagles and the Vikings

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Speaker 4: that are coming up in the weeks ahead. You've got

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Speaker 4: to get your team absolutely dialed in. And that's the

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Speaker 4: scenario you're in here, you know, at the grove outside London.

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Speaker 4: You know, players, no family. You're gonna have Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 4: and it has to be all about ball, all about

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Speaker 4: ball and John the way the these players probably feel,

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Speaker 4: if we are frustrated by what we're seeing, what many

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Speaker 4: of them are enduring is probably very, very similar. So

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Speaker 4: it shouldn't be that difficult to get these guys to

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Speaker 4: go beyond the regular work day and to be focused

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Speaker 4: in the film room, you know, on their iPads, whatever

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Speaker 4: it takes to get more this week. When you can

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Speaker 4: get more, because when you get home next week, you're

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Speaker 4: falling right back into the Hey, they leave the building

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Speaker 4: at four thirty and then you don't have the opportunity

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Speaker 4: to necessarily get more. So you better get more right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And the playing game, Look, when you're one and five,

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Speaker 5: everything gets blamed.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's at fall.

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Speaker 5: It's like Doug's after the game and Trevor, Look, there's

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Speaker 1: Don't want to lose.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to feel that, all right?

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Speaker 6: Defeated, Obviously, I feel feel for the players and the

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Speaker 1: Way feeling defeated. After that one, the Jaguars fall to

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Speaker 4: In this case, though, I thought the Jaguars were up

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Speaker 4: I thought as they were driving down the field, in fact,

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Speaker 3: Something here today. And then the ball hits the ground

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Speaker 5: Usually on stuff like this, when it goes this bad,

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Speaker 5: And it's not a it's not a thing Brian, where

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Speaker 5: You can see it on the defense, heard on the offense.

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Speaker 4: They've got to get back to doing what they do

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Speaker 1: They got their first defensive turnover of the season, which

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Speaker 5: Do I think this is a team that is quit? No,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna find out what the players think. I mean.

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Speaker 4: Because Andre Cisco was willing to go on record and

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Speaker 4: if it just seems like an innocuous Sunday night after

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Speaker 4: He is the classic case of a guy who hates

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Speaker 4: You know, I thought on the next offensive series, the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that fumble, much like Travis is in the first game,

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Speaker 5: not sure there's a magic formula for keen together. I'm

437
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Speaker 5: not and I'm not sure they're not together. I think

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Speaker 5: they're just making these mistakes that like really really important

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Speaker 5: times and sometimes mistakes not necessarily Ronald Darby specifically here.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes mistakes is when you're getting beat. So sometimes you

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Speaker 5: hold when you have to hold to make the play

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Speaker 5: not happen, so very unfortunate, and as I said earlier,

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Speaker 5: a very indicative drive of the season because you had

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Speaker 5: multiple opportunities to climb out of this and you couldn't

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Speaker 5: on that drive.

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Speaker 4: Even when Tyson Campbell comes back, you still have a

447
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Speaker 4: secondary that is going to have some weak spots.

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Speaker 3: The only way for the.

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Speaker 4: Jaguars to overcome the weak spots is for that defense

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Speaker 4: to do what John has said all season they have

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Speaker 4: to do.

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Speaker 3: They've got to dominate the front.

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Speaker 4: Right, You've got guys who are capable, especially on the outside.

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Speaker 4: You saw yesterday what Josh and what Trayvon did on

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Speaker 4: that one drive where they needed it right, they gave

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Speaker 4: them two sacks in three plays. The other guys up

457
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Speaker 4: front that they got to get more out of Eric Armstead.

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Speaker 4: But the front is going to determine how good this

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Speaker 4: defense is going to be the rest of the way.

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Speaker 4: Either they play closer to their potential and this defense does,

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Speaker 4: or they don't and this defense doesn't.

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Speaker 1: All right, to stay with you, we're gonna have some

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Speaker 1: hot takes for you coming up after the break here

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Speaker 1: on Jack's Am. Welcome back into Jagg's Am. This morning.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give you our firehouse subs, fire hot takes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how hot they're all gonna be, but Brian,

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Speaker 1: what's your hot.

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Speaker 4: Take for Listen, Everything coming out of my mouth today,

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Speaker 4: unfortunately is hot because I just I'd had enough so

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Speaker 4: old school tactics, right, There's not a lot you can

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Speaker 4: do that truly is old school anymore. The collective bargaining

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Speaker 4: agreement restraint so much about how many days you can

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Speaker 4: practice and practice in pads and it. But there's one thing,

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Speaker 4: and Doug Peterson was asked the week of the Colts game,

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Speaker 4: you know about Tom Kauughlin who went into the Pride

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Speaker 4: of the Jaguars that week and his style of coaching.

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Speaker 4: And the answer really struck me John, because Doug said

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Speaker 4: that he was coached by guys who employed Tom Coughlin's methods,

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Speaker 4: but he didn't think you could still use those methods anymore.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that he cited that day

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Speaker 4: was that you couldn't get into a meeting room and

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Speaker 4: put the plays up on the board and call guys

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Speaker 4: out in front of their teammates. Well, that's the old

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Speaker 4: school tactic I think needs to happen this week, you know,

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Speaker 4: for the reasons that you talked about for Andre Cisco

486
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Speaker 4: who who was talking earlier. These younger players can't be

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Speaker 4: babied through this process. The hard truth of it is,

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Speaker 4: it's a tough game for tough men, and this is

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Speaker 4: not a tough team right now. Nobody needs to be

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Speaker 4: told that. We can see that you want a tougher team. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: call it out right. You missed here? What are we

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Speaker 4: doing over here? Why aren't we here? The accountability word

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Speaker 4: is one that is tossed around all the time, but

494
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Speaker 4: accountability doesn't exist unless you actually hold someone accountable. And

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Speaker 4: the only way you're gonna do that is be tough

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Speaker 4: with these guys. And so I would like to see

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Speaker 4: old school tactics. I would like to see that edge

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Speaker 4: return to this football team. Tough game for tough men,

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Speaker 4: be tough on them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't disagree with that, and it would

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Speaker 5: be nice if you could do that. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if they feel like they can, and mine sort of

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Speaker 5: reflects that. I'm not sure there is anything to do,

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Speaker 5: and so not much to say, a whole lot of

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Speaker 5: work to do, and I wonder how you do it

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Speaker 5: at one in five and it's I wish I had

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Speaker 5: a better answer than that, But six games in, there

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Speaker 5: don't seem to be any answers. But there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of work, and I'm not sure that it's any one

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Speaker 5: particular area. It's why I said much to do. It's everywhere.

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Speaker 5: It was off defensive line yesterday, it was defensive lines,

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Speaker 5: receivers not catching balls. I like Brian's answer better. I

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Speaker 5: hope they can do that. I hope they can get

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Speaker 5: tough with these guys, and I hope you can have

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Speaker 5: you know, accountability in this thing. Does that mean you're

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Speaker 5: gonna cut eight guys? That's what fans always want, So

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Speaker 5: there has to be somewhere to hold accountable somewhere, you know,

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Speaker 5: a lot to do, has a lot to do with that.

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Speaker 5: I'm more hopeful, or I wish I was more hopeful

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Speaker 5: that they could get it done. And after five games

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Speaker 5: of sort of seeing this usually be the pattern, I

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Speaker 5: kind of wonder. I hope they prove us wrong.

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Speaker 1: Brian. I'm a little bit different from your perspective because

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Speaker 1: I think you're still mad. I'm not mad. I'm disappointed,

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Speaker 1: as the parental part of you is how I kind

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Speaker 1: of look at this.

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Speaker 3: My disappointment just manifests itself different than you.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I'm a little disappointed because, to be honest, the

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Speaker 1: way teams are constructed, the way this team is constructed,

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Speaker 1: you expect this team to win. This is not a

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Speaker 1: team of the past where you're like, oh, the Jaguars

532
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Speaker 1: are being the Jaguars. Everyone knows. I came from New England.

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Speaker 1: I came from a fan base in Boston. You know,

534
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Speaker 1: people talk about Philly, people talk about New York. There

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Speaker 1: are high expectations at all times. There are not excuses.

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Speaker 1: I think the Jaguars fan base is now at that point. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we heard this is the best team ever assembled. We

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Speaker 1: have our quarterback, we have a coach that's won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We have expectations for this team. It's not

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Speaker 1: okay to be one in five at this point in

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Speaker 1: the season. And when you talk about accountability, sometimes it

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Speaker 1: comes from the outside of the building. If your fan

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Speaker 1: base isn't accepting of that, then you need to be

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Speaker 1: able to respond. I don't know what that's going to

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Speaker 1: look like exactly for this team. Obviously we're still early

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Speaker 1: in the season, but you're going to have to find

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Speaker 1: a way to respond to this because this is not

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Speaker 1: acceptable anymore. This is not something that is going to

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Speaker 1: be tolerated, I think by the fan base at all whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a good place to be if

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Speaker 1: you want to see change within this organization because what

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Speaker 1: is going on right now is not okay.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's gone on the last couple of weeks right

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Speaker 4: has it worked?

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Speaker 3: So let's be demanding change is good.

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Speaker 1: Let's demand all right, say with us here, we'll talk

557
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Speaker 1: to you about what's going on this week, what we

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Speaker 1: have going on in the UK, and what you're going

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Speaker 1: to see before the game on Sunday.

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Speaker 7: Since urgency must win. You know, we know we have

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Speaker 7: the trust and everybody in here, but this is the

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Speaker 7: urgency needs to pick up. The passion, the love, the

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Speaker 7: reason why we do the things that we do need

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Speaker 7: to need to pick up a little bit more. And

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Speaker 7: it starts to Tuesday, once we get back to practice

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Speaker 7: and you know, focus on the Patriots, and focus on

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Speaker 7: the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: That's next game up. And today is the player day

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Speaker 1: off this week. So they're going to be Tuesday through

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Speaker 1: Sunday football, football, football. They're all in the same building

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Speaker 1: and they're going to see each other every day. Brian,

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Speaker 1: I would argue that's the best case scenario for them

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Speaker 1: right now, because I don't want them to check out.

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Speaker 1: I want them to lock in.

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Speaker 3: No argument here.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is the fortunate part of the circumstance

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Speaker 4: is is that they are together for the rest of

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Speaker 4: the week and there's probably gonna be some very frank conversations.

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Speaker 4: It might not have the edge that I would like

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Speaker 4: to hear, right, but they can't avoid what the tape

581
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Speaker 4: is going to show them, and so hopefully there's some

582
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Speaker 4: very difficult conversations that go on and it sparks a

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Speaker 4: change in the outcome.

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Speaker 5: On Sunday, John, Yeah, they're kicking off in Wembley, whether

585
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Speaker 5: they want to or not, so you may as well

586
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Speaker 5: get prepared. And it galvanized the team last year when

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Speaker 5: they were here. They won the first game and then

588
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Speaker 5: they won the second and they went on a winning streak.

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Speaker 5: That's the hope. And I get that people who are

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Speaker 5: watching this sort of laugh at that kind of hope,

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Speaker 5: but that's what they have right now. So I will

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Speaker 5: see what the week brings.

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Speaker 1: Time to plays with some passion, play with some pride.

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Speaker 1: I know everybody at home is frustrated. We are frustrated.

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Speaker 1: Too sit with it. This Monday, we're going to turn

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Speaker 1: the page. We'll be back with you for JAGXAM on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday and Thursday. Here in the UK's we talk patriots

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Speaker 1: and what they need to do to get a win.

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Speaker 5: Next week

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Speaker 3: Sh